The exact moment toys became shit was in 2014 when these fucking things came out. Hasbro had been talking bullshit about the price of plastic and how they had to drop all their lines down in scale to keep prices affordable, at first the went down to 3.75 scale, then they tried to pull this shit, and were talking about how this would be the standard going forward. Kids toys have been slowly crawling their way back from this ever since and we're only just now approaching the level of quality we saw in the early 00s.
>>11872668>toys BROKE me>here's why marvel doesn't want you to know its number one secret>hasbro's dirty little lies>why toy collecting ends here>toys: more than meets the eye?>why toys are more important than ever>disney's financial takeover of the toy market>why marvel matters in the toy industry
>>11872668I mean its a capeshit product, it was destined to be trash from the start
>>11872690But it extended to all toys. All kid aimed toys have been shit for over a decade now.
>>11872703you're a pathetic faggot you know that
>>11872706No, I just have standards.
Just don’t buy it if you don’t like it?
>>11872709Anyone on this board that claims they have "standards" only prove that they're extra pathetic.
>>11872709I bet you have a shrine dedicated to your idol Christin Chandler
>>11872668I don't understand why people are hostile to you. Yes, 5poa was shit and /toy/ took major issue with it at the time.
imagine giving a shit about this baby crap when all it does is signal how retarded americans are and wanting to fuck each other hard just to make a quick buck
If toys are so ruined why do I still enjoy them huh? Maybe don't buy shit and stop hoarding like an idiot
>>11872706He's pathetic for, what, not consoooming the capeshit product like you and the rest of the retards still clinging to the marvel fad?
>>11872668This is around the time I took a break from collecting. Soon after these figures they made the starwars 3.75 blacked series with poor distribution and started using those terrible Y hips.
>>11872668You’re 100% correct but I’d pin it on amazing spider-man 2 more than this toyline I never saw these in stores and I went to toysrus a lot when I was 13
>>11872668I disagree. The real shit started when they did windowless boxes. What you see is a picture of the toy, but not THE toy. They were essentially falsely advertising a product which wasnt that great anyway
>>11872912Nah the windowless boxes are just a follow on of Hasbro realising they could make a change, give a flimsy excuse, and charge more for less.
>>11872908Nah, the ASM2 figures are masterpieces compared to the GOTG2 figures, for one they're a sensible size, and 2 they had the gimmicks like Electro lighting up.
if op is such a badass for not buying this trash why did he dedicated a thread talking about this retarded shit no one cares about?
After Disney bought Star Wars and started making those shitty toys with little to none articulation the US game industry died
>>11872952>>11872810>>11872786>>11872726>>11872721>>11872706>>11872690>>11872674Samefag
>>11872965>how Americans hidden toy mafia ruined the aisles >toys that shouldn't exist part one>why did Hasbro stop trying? >is ai to blame for the rise in toy slop? >toys need a come back the essay>did the assassination of JFK effect toys? >why my toy is the best and companies don't try anymore
>>11872668Seems more like around the time Hasbro became a monopoly they stopped trying to be competitive and churned out cheap shit.
>>11872721No one bought the Age of Ultron figures at the same scale (both lines were huge clearance bin items) but they went ahead with it for GOTG anyways.
This is a completely non-controversial take OP, I don't understand the reaction you're getting either. I was able to get the starship in scale with these for like 5 bucks at Marc's because they were so unpopular.
>>11873177>I don't understand the reaction you're getting either.I wouldn't be surprised if they're all bots trained to just be contrarian and abusive.
>>11872912They literally show the toy and all accessories on the back, Classified used different artists for their figures for a long time and it was a cool and interesting concept at the time. Also, Classified's Windowless Boxes were some of the best toy packaging I ever had the pleasure of opening. Each figure had a tray with their art inside it, there was no awful noisy plastic tray to fight with, each figure also had all their accessories stored in a separate box in wax paper bags so they were easy to get free, and the box they were stored in was designed to look like a cargo crate/footlocker with the figure's name on it so you could reuse it for both storage and dioramas. Also, they were super easy to break down and throw out, didn't need a whole bag just for those awful blister packages. I'd love to see them come back, but just add a plastic window in front to pacify all the whiners who only buy toys in stores. Also, OP is a shit who's complaining about shit. Kids lines are always cheap-o crap, that's the point. To be low priced, disposable merch.
>>11873548Nice, another bot reply.
>>11872912This just makes me wish there was a figure of her that looked like that.
>>11873548>Also, OP is a shit who's complaining about shit. Kids lines are always cheap-o crap, that's the point.As several posts already said, it wasn't even successful with it's target demogaphic. Those little things were shelf warmers and clearance bin fillers.
>>11873587get congress to pass a bill that penalize companies discounting stock that doesn't sell because it ends up polluting the earth if you're so passionate about this retarded crap
>>11872965You know you're a cocksucker, right anon?
Always amazed to see how many bots post on this board now. Guess I gotta pack it on up and cut all those loses while reselling what I got while retiring from this hobby.
>>11873548>Kids lines are always cheap-o crap, that's the point. To be low priced, disposable merch.Horseshit, ten years prior in 2004 THIS was the hot Marvel kids line. And don't try and claim that it was designed for collectors, the packaging says 4 and up, these were designed for kids. Toy Biz were producing Marvel Legends at the same time, which even though collectors were buying them, were also for kids. Mattel were making figures for The Batman cartoon which were well made, even if you want to go bare 5POA Mattel were making toys for Justice League Unlimited. Kid's toys used to be genuinely good, good enough that adult collectors wanted them as well, they still want them, otherwise vintage toylines like DC Super Powers or Mego figures wouldn't still be sought after. Companies like Hasbro have just been pulling their bullshit long enough to convince rubes that tiny pieces of plastic are some kind of premium luxury item that should command ever increasing price tags and that kids should be given the equivalent of a 90s knock-off toy made out of brittle plastic with shitty paintjobs.Kid's toys should have decent quality because they're the fundamentals of the entire industry.
>>11873848There's a lot of newfags on this board who don't know shit and are completely deluded about the toy industry. They're as ignorant as the foreigners of this board, who think that Marvel Legends are collector toys.Marvel Legends is a children's toyline. People mistake adults buying the toyline makes it a collector's line, but it's still made by Hasbro as a children's toyline. Hasbro refers to all the products that /toy/ cares bout as "boy's action segment"Shit like OPs toys are as much a child's toy as that Spiderman is, but it's actually meant as a budget toyline. SAme way that Toyota makes Corollas, Camrys, and Prius'. Corollas aren't chidlren's cars, but rather, a car for poorfags who can't afford a Camry but still want a Toyota. Since poor families and their kids want toys based on popular movie, Hasbro makes budget toys for them, hence OP or pic relatedBudget toys were made by Toy Biz all the time back then too, hence so many spidermans on motorcycles and other gimmicky shit no one cares to remember.
>>11872668People that post this shit need to get a life by now.First of all your complaining about a toy aimed towards children,not for you.I collect action figures but only the collector type such as SH Figurarts but i don't buy a 4+ action figure because it is just a statue figure with miminial articulation.
>>11873868>but it's actually meant as a budget toyline.No, it wasn't. It was Hasbro testing the waters to see how much they could cheap out before people pushed back. Around the same time they did the same with the Transformers line and people lost their minds. Hasbro does this shit all the time, they come up with some excuse as to why they need to cut back on quality or size, they blame it on oil prices, distribution issues, environmental policy, some bullshit, and they take the base line, make it bad and people complain, so then Hasbro can turn around and say "okay well you can either have a shittier product at the same price, or we can bring the quality back up and you pay more for it" that's why Deluxe class Transformers cost the same as what Leader class cost five years ago.The biggest weapon in their arsenal now is trying to convince people like >>11874210 that there is a difference between "kids toys" and "collectors items" but it's bullshit, they are ALL toys, they're all plastic dolls that you're supposed to play with. It doesn't matter if it's a 5 dollar "Epic Hero Series" Spider-man, or a $70 Revoltech, or a $300 Hot Toys figure, they're all toys. Convincing yourself that you should be spending more money on a "collector's item" or "adult figure" when really that just means you're willingly being taken for a ride.Like you said Marvel Legends are children's toys, but Hasbro and other companies have managed to convince people into thinking they're some kind of premium line, just so they can hike up the price and if you don't like then there's the shitty "budget" line. My point is there shouldn't be a difference, there should be ONE line, it should be reasonably priced and it should be good quality.
>>11874254>My point is there shouldn't be a difference, there should be ONE line, it should be reasonably priced and it should be good qualityI think one reason people pine for the 80's is because each major brand didn't splinter into 9,001 subcategories, like I can't even begin to understand how someone is supposed to keep up with transformers
>>11874255I don't know which is better, the CHUG days where basically all the Transformers were solid, visually appealing, and affordable, but not G1 accurate (which is really the only thing TF fans care about), or now where it's really easy to find extremely G1 accurate figure, but they're stupidly over-priced and have horrendous quality control that occasionally leads to serious breakages, plus Hasbro's bullshit habit of releasing really accurate versions of characters like Optimus, only to release an even more accurate version six months later (the entire Siege line was a scam).That said I'm primarily a Beast Wars fan, so I'm used to suffering.
lmao why the fuck are people defending this shit to the death? No one liked this line.
>>11874254Your zoomerness is showing, newfag.Hasbro has been making budget shit forever, to go along with their childrens toys.Pic is back when Hasbro was giving their childrens toy the highest budget ever, with a movie line that went on for 8 waves or so. So pic was one of MANY sublines for the Iron Man 2 movie from 2010. It has next to no articulation, because it had to be priced cheaply while making it seem like a kid was getting a lot of bang for their buck (like OP's two pack).Budget toylines have always existed.Again, everything Hasbro makes are CHILDRENS toys, but they're aware that adults buy their shit. Again, there's different price points, because they want to get as much money from familes with money and families with no money. Also, spur of the moment purchases, that has to be cheap enough for someone just to buy just to buy (or get their kid to shut up purchase)ALSO ALSO, what OP is actually noticing is how Hasbro doesn't have multiple toylines anymore. Hasbro started cheaping out on that around the time the Avengers came out. They also started reducing articulation on 1:18 lines to make people buy the more expensive 1:12 figures. This all started happening in around 2012.
Wait, were these two weird two inch tall ones?These DID suck, even compared to the usual cheap kids lines.
>>11874383You don't get to call anyone a zoomer while redit spacing
>>11874490No argument. I accept your concession.
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>>11874383>Hasbro doesn't have multiple toylines anymoreWell that's a straight up lie. For just Marvel alone, in addition to the ever present shampoo bottle "Titan Heroes" line, there's also the Spidey and Friends line for pre-schoolers and the Actionverse and Venomverse stuff for older-but-too-young-for-legends kids. Also the Fantastic Four got themselves a 4" toyline with a pretty fantastic Fantasti-Car while Spiderverse also got a kid friendly line with it's movie. That's also ignoring one off gift sets with some smaller, but cheaply made figures but sold in multi-packs so grandma thinks it's a good value. Marvel Legends, despite it's "4 and up" marking, has never been aimed or intended for kids, even back when Toybiz was making them. It was always a collector focused line, which is why it threw out comic accurate looks and lesser known niche figures. While the line is still safe and tested for smaller children, the line was always intended to be bought by adults. But Hasbro has always had sub and side-lines aimed at children, for most of it's big franchises. >>11874346Dude, CHUGS were just as, if not more, prone to breakage and QC issues. Do we not remember the floppy Mirage's, chewed rubber nosed Blitzwings, smudged painted Prowls and of course the ever dreaded deluxe Galvatron? Quality for Transformers pitches and wanes with the various waves, it's a constant back and fourth with every new release whether we'll get a fantastic solid figure or a hollow floppy mess.
>>11874541I'm referring to the toylines that /toy/ wants.So back in the 00s and early 10s, there were 1:12 AND 1:18 lines that /toy/ wanted.PLUS, there were specific toylines for the movie. So the Avengers, Thor, and CAptain America all had their own movie toylines that excited /toy/. Shit like pic existed APART from the Marvel Legends and Marvel Universe toylines.By the time Guardians of the Galaxy came out, was there a specific movie toyline for Guardians of the Galaxy that /toy/ could talk about? Nope, just the shitty budget crap, hence OP's beliefs.All the movie toys were integrated into the Marvel Legends toyline now. So it seemed like the only option for kids were the budget crap [that has always existed].>Marvel Legends, despite it's "4 and up" marking, has never been aimed or intended for kidsNow this is a straight up lie and your cope about this hobbyAccording to Hasbro's license with Marvel/Disney: >All toy “action figures” in all sizes in all plastic (e.g. pvc/abs) or other similar synthetic materials or combination of materials, with or without batteries or other electronics (but excluding plush, porcelain and resin, as that term is generally understood in the collectible toy industry) as this category is generally understood within the boy’s action segment of the toy industry>boy’s action segmentAdult males aren't boys. And the license specifically seperates Hasbro's rights from collector shit >For the avoidance of doubt, the following items are not “Action Figures” ... collectible action figures, statues, busts and dioramas (for example, Diamond Select ... etc
>>11873868>>11874383>>11874546Ummmm, actually Marvel Legends are adult collectibles for adult collectors... NOT kid's toys. Marvel Legends sometimes make figures of obscure comic-only Marvel characters that kids won't know about so that means they are for adult collectors...https://youtu.be/ZfMUiVctJxI
>>11874546So the only difference between now and 2010 is the loss of the Marvel Universe subline? And yes, I'm aware of what the license says, but the intent is clear that the Marvel Legends series has always been aimed at older collectors, all the way back from the Toybiz days. Or are you gonna claim all the kids were clamoring for a first appearance accurate toy version of Toad, or that there were throngs of children fighting to get their hands on the super popular Namor or that all the kids on the playground were jealous of that one kid who managed to get his hands on Doop.Marvel Legends is, was and will always be a line aimed at collectors over kids.
>>11875071There's also the loss of non-budget movie sublines too.>my daddy's the president of Nintendo and he told me adults such as myself are who HAsbro and Toy Biz make their toys for.Again, this is nothing but bullshit by coping autists who think they're too mature for childrens toys and foreigners who've never been to first world countries.pic of a literal who that only comic book collectors who made up the majority of comic book buyers in the 90s, yet was predominantly sold to children.Notice his articulation? This was the standard amount of articulation for toys back in the day. Toy Biz experimented with gimmicks, adding spring loaded shit, super articulation, light up eyes, and swappable limbs. Guess which proved to be the most popular gimmick? Super articulation.Kids loved it and thus the Spiderman toyline started getting all the super articulated figures, and then Toy Biz decided to give it to the Marvel LEgends toyline too.The super articulation gimmick became so popular that even collector toys started getting it, sacrificing higher end paint and quality sculpts for it.
>>11875090>Pic relatedI used to wonder why there was an explosion of furfags in the 90's
>>11875090Why yes, there were "adult collectors" in the 90s as well and Toy Biz was pretty much made up by them. You think Spawn was a kids toyline too? When it first came out it had the same presentation and articulation scheme, but it very quickly moved on to sharper more detailed sculpts and paint jobs...though articulation didn't change much at that point. It wasn't until Toy Biz started doing "super articulated" Spiderman figures, which lead to Marvel Legends as a whole taking those sharper sculpts and adding in more joints. You really think adults didn't collect this shit back in the 90s? Because I know for a fact they did. Adults have always been in the toy market, but it wasn't until the kids who grew up with the 60s/70s/80s comics and turned into adults that we saw a boom in comic based toys.
>>11874965>obscure comic-only Marvel characters that kids won't know about"obscure comics" doesn't mean kids won't know/read it and its only for adultsthe adults would be the one preordering the respective floppies and their kids could read those, and having a marvel legends figure of that obscure character means that there is a market of buyers for it
>>11875153To be fair, the stigma for comics being for 40 year olds has been a thing since the 90s and there's there's quite a few people who don't understand jokes.You'd think kids stopped reading comics, but 4chan itself is full of zoomers who have read the comics and hating on comics previous generations read, just like I did when i first started reading comics in the 80s.Since kids enjoy being elitists, they undoubtedly buying some "obscure" character for nerd cred.This elitism is why there's zoomers on this board who pretend children toys are actually adult toys.>>11875141>my dad's the president of nintendo for pakistan and he confirms that Hasbro, Marvel and Disney are writing false narratives and that the toys that i buy from them are for mature collectors such as myselfsure thing, Corky.
>>11875090>Kids loved it and thus the Spiderman toyline started getting all the super articulated figuresTHE Spiderman toyline?There were at least 3 Spiderman toylines in 2000 when Classics began. Toy Biz constantly had multiple Spiderman toylines all through the 2000s until their demise, and most of them continued to get all sorts of action features and only the occasional super articulated figure. Even Classics, the line that became Marvel Legends, had an action feature focused sub-line.
>>11873848It's just an update to the old 1992 Spider-man, man. Contortionist spider-man was always an outlier.
>>11873177He's exposing the marketers here who attack any post negative to their brand even when collectors generally agree something was a misstep
>>11875141Not him but Spawn was a kids line. I bought it in the 90s.
>>11875286>THE Spiderman toyline?>There were at least 3 Spiderman toylines in 2000 when Classics began.Like i've been saying, who gives a shit about those other spiderman lines? They're budget shit that /toy/ doesn't care about, thus mostly ignored and forgotten about, but the shit OP is talking about has always existed. It's nothing new. When Hasbro started streaming lining their toylines, to maximize their profits, OP started taking notice of these budget toylines, because there were fewer toylines on the shelves now. No more multiple movie sublines to clutter the shelves and now the main movie toyline (the expensive one) was merged into the Marvel Legends linepic of GI Joe had a budget toyline along with the movie toyline. gi joe was never big enough to have its movie toyline apart from the main toyline.
>>11875843>The rock's ugly face was being plastered across the movie he co-starred in>20 fucking years agoSomethings never change, aside from his steroid implosion
>>11875854It's weird that people consider Retaliation to be the better one. Cobra Commander's outfit is the only part that I consider better than the original.
>>11876338It is the better of the two movies.The first one was generic as fuck everything. The Vipers didn't look like Vipers. The Joes were just military people in boring, ugly UN uniforms. CC's costume was changed just to look different.Why even call it GI Joe?Sure, the story was lame for the second movie, but who gives a shit about the story for the first one either? At least the second one had Ninja fights, which led to a lot of awesome ninja figures.Everything about the second GI Joe movie was much more interesting... visually. So it's worth a glance, unlike the bland first movie.
>>11874346The former was better. Which is why everyone rightfully calls it the second golden age of the franchise>>11874541>Dude, CHUGS were just as, if not more, prone to breakage and QC issues.The breakage issues back then at least could have been mitigated by buying an imported Takara copy if it was really that big of a deal or getting fixed with a simple super glue solution.>Quality for Transformers pitches and wanes with the various waves, it's a constant back and fourth with every new release whether we'll get a fantastic solid figure or a hollow floppy mess.This is true, 2008 was an especially bad year for QC. It's still subpar now but the last time it was truly awful was either with Legacy or Earthrise>deluxe GalvatronThe issue with that figure was that it was badly designed due to being scaled down despite originally being an ultra class.
>>11872668>said this exact shit around 12 years back>everyone said i was overreacting and that hasbro didnt have a "vendetta" out against 3.75 inch lines>now practically every 3.75 hasbro got killed in favor of 1/12 autism reddit lines insteadI told you fuckers back then, now whos crazy?https://youtu.be/3Oc-yDrI7J8?si=6GRypxccvQpzDwE4
>>11874539Fucking kek>>11874546Hasbro was in the wrong for getting rid of and sabotaging every toyline that wasnt marvel legends scaled shit. The death of MU was the beginning for the end of hasbro. Theyre only starting to recover with stuff like the actionverse line the issue is the media that ties in with these toys now suck for unrelated reasons. I am so glad brian goldner died of cancer for this shit
>>11876616You'd figure hasbro would prefer 3.75'' figures since they're easier to produce
>>11876758The thing with 1/18 is it's not much cheaper to make than 1/12 (as it's generally partscount rather than size that drives up costs) but buyers expect it to cost significantly less. As such it's far less economically viable than 1/12.
>>11876778>now now buddy woah there let's not dismiss 1/12 as interior all of a sudden, it's a bonified kino supremo of a toyline all around and much cheaper on the downlowis that why eternals eternally peg warm, because anything can sell if it's 1/12 scale? how many go Joe vehicles have required prepayment to crowd fund?
>>11876812God anon, no, don't summon that ESL faggot from the last few MOTU threads who defends the honor of the shuri-coptor with his life
>>11876812Whoa there, Athena, who said you could come out of the rape dungeon? Get your twinky little ass back in the serafuku and lube up that boypussy.
>>11876758Hasbro prefer getting more money from their customers than making an easier product. A company would rather get $30 than $20, if you were to only get a single product from them, even if it cost them more to make the more expensive product.>>11876778>still spreading stupid lie made by 4H to justify ripping off their customersThere's a reason why the majority of toy companies who make 1:12 and 1:18 products price the 1:18 product at nearly half off the 1:12 product, instead of the lie that 4H said.
>>11876998That just seems shortsighted to me, especially with the rumors of hasbro punting molds out into garbage dumps once a line is finished.
>>11877038of course it's short sighted, but that's how major corporations have been operating for decades.Their revenue increases and that made their shareholders happy.Without a doubt, they've been losing customers ever since the 2008 financial crisis but with price increases, they've been making more money than ever. Constant growth in revenue and profits have increased too.You can lose tens of thousands of fans and face decreasing interest from kids and still see growth when your main toyline goes from $10 toys to $20 toys.And by increasing prices by blaming it on COVID+shipping crisis, any customer losses since 2020 are further negated.And it's not like they actually lost a lot of customers. Even the most hardcore toy collectors still kept on buying Marvel figures despite losing out on 1:18 figures. Look at /toy/, where the vast majority of fans didn't blink when the MU line was killed. And kids will always buy toys anyway.I think prices now have gotten way too high though and people have been losing their jobs, so there's a crash coming. Even if they switch to 1:18 to have a cheaper main toyline, it's still too expensive.
>>11877057Reminds me of how there are no new street fighter fans, just the same ~8 million capcucks being sucked dry over and over.
>>11877064of course there's new fans.There's so many newfags on this board who didn't even know that 1:18 Marvel toys existed.I bet at least a third of the current posters never came to 4chan before 2019, based on the collection of many posters.The replacement level isn't good though. For every kid that grows out of toys and every nerd that gives up on collecting, there's a quarter of a newfag replacing them.
>>11876998>There's a reason why the majority of toy companies who make 1:12 and 1:18 products price the 1:18 product at nearly half off the 1:12 productYes, because customers expect it to cost that much less, even though it's barely any cheaper to make than 1/12. Hence why it's kind of a dead scale these days, with companies like hiya and Acid Rain moving to 1/12.
>>11877208>even though it's barely any cheaper to make than 1/12. Under the assumption that this claim is true, when did it become a thing where 1/18 figures became almost as expensive to make as 1/12? It seems like 1/18 really was cheaper to make for years up until the early 2010s when hasbro started aggressively decreasing articulation on 1/18 figures and also simultaneously trying their damndest to sabotage their 1/18 lines whenever they could. Also it makes totally sense that 1/18 became ruined in the early 2010s since thats the era where practically everything in the world went to shit the most-even excluding toys.
>>11877217>when did it become a thing where 1/18 figures became almost as expensive to make as 1/12?A 1/18 and 1/12 figure with the same articulation will have very similar partscounts, meaning tooling and assembly costs will be much the same.I'd also imagine being smaller, the 1/18 figures have to undergo more stringent safety tests (small parts, choking hazard etc) to be sold at US retail, which wouldn't help.
>>11877219>A 1/18 and 1/12 figure with the same articulation will have very similar partscounts, meaning tooling and assembly costs will be much the same.I know ill get crucified for this take but-why dont they just reduce articulation on 1/18 figures more if hasbro is being such a bitch about partcounts on them? And i dont mean making them all 5POA, i mean like returning to the 2000s star wars articulation scheme. I feel that the current TVC articulation schemes already suck despite being technically more poseable. But the figures could be alot cheaper and would be alot more functional and playable if they returned to the articulation patterns of late 2000s star wars toys-and yes that includes t-hips because that works better for star wars figures.
>>11877208>because customers expect it to cost that much less,This would be only true for large companies who make a lot of other products, that would help subsidize lines that make less money. So companies like Hasbro and Mattel, who sell a ton of various products at giant stores like Walmart and Target.However, companies like Hiya, MGR and Boss Fight are tiny collector companies who basically need every single toy that they make to be self sufficient. Each product that they make has to generate a much higher profit margin than Hasbro or Mattel, because they make/sell so few products. When Boss Fight and Hiya make 1:12, guess how much more they cost than their 1:18 lines? About 2x as much, just like we see from Hasbro, Jazwares, and other companies who make 1:18 and 1:12 lines.So we can see how stupid 4H are when they tried to justify their prices, because nobody and nothing supports their claim.Yet you try and repeat their bullshit, like there's any truth to it.Nevermind Hasbro basically stopped subsiziding their toylines back in the 00s. This is why the GI Joe vs Cobra line came out in two packs, in order to raise the prices on GI Joes, because they didn't want to (or couldn't?) rely on vehicle sales like they did in the 80s.>>11877217You can only find a single company who even made that claim in the first place. They're one of the most untrustworthy companies out there, who lost a giant chunk of their fanbase about 3 years ago due to their stupidity.
>>11877227>They're one of the most untrustworthy companies out there, who lost a giant chunk of their fanbase about 3 years ago due to their stupidity.What happened three years ago with them that made their fanbase implode? I dont follow that toyline that much so i dont know about this drama
>>11877245They rushed production, so an entire wave had air pockets inside the plastic, which caused joints to break apart randomly.They had already lost a lot of support due to bad QC in previous years, but they apparently wanted to lose the rest of their fanbase, so 4H made a live stream to shit on anyone who publically complained about their toys breaking. They thought everyone would be cool with them spending an hour taking a piss, but since people don't like that, all the communties became ghost towns afterward.They didn't even try to apologize for what they did, instead they deleted the video for the live stream, hoping anyone who didn't see it would believe that they weren't actually pissed off that public complaints were hurting their reputation and everyone just misunderstood their jokes.
>>11872674>This toy is ILLEGAL
>>11877245It's Subjectanon seething as usual because he's got a retarded grudge against the 4H, ignore him.TLDR: There was a QC hiccup, some PR intern made a stupid statement and was promptly fired, the problem was fixed and everything went back to normal shortly after.>>11877227>When Boss Fight and Hiya make 1:12, guess how much more they cost than their 1:18 lines? About 2x as much, just like we see from Hasbro, Jazwares, and other companies who make 1:18 and 1:12 lines.Yes- because customers won't pay the same for a 1:18 figure as a 1:12 figure. 1:12 is more financially viable because customers will pay more for 1:12.
>>11877275There were two guys on camera taking a piss, with a 4H owner behind the camera, chuckling at everything they said. Both the people on camera were obviously just repeating what the owners said, otherwise they wouldn't have been allowed to stream with one of the owners right there in the same room with them.And when was the "PR intern" fired anyway? They made no public announcement about it and both guys were still there least i checked a year ago.So was one of them caught molesting children or did sales drop so low that they needed to blame the newest guy for the owners thinking they can get away with insulting all their fans for complaining?>because customers won't pay the sameIT doesn't matter if customers won't pay if they can't profit off the toys. Again, they're not Hasbro or Mattel who can subsidize the loss. Again, even Hasbro stopped doing this by 2003. So do you have any sources besides 4H who said that 1:18 costs nearly as much as 1:12 to produce?Because the entire industry and retail prices are proof that 4H and you are full of shit.pic is a screencap from the comments section, before the video got deleted.
>>11877284>So do you have any sources besides 4H who said that 1:18 costs nearly as much as 1:12 to produce?Basic knowledge of manufacturing, and the very obvious gradual decline of 1/18 as a scale compared to 1/12?
>>11877285so no proof besides 4H's obvious lie when they decided to make the Mythic LEgion line into 1:12 scale.And your "knowledge" is contrary to basic knowledge of manufacturing is the opposite of what you're doing, because every toy maker that does 1:12 and 1:18 scale prices the smaller scale at roughly half the price of the larger scale.You're pretending that size of molds don't matter, but they obviously do, hence the differences in price across the entire industry.Pic is the only source on the bullshit that you're repeating. 4H lied back then and they continue lying to this day.Speaking of lying, i notice you didn't respond about who got fired and when.
>>11877287>because every toy maker that does 1:12 and 1:18 scale prices the smaller scale at roughly half the price of the larger scale.Because people aren't prepared to pay more for 1/18, hence 1/12 is more profitable and thus economically viable. Thus 1/18 being borderline dead. How hard is this for you to understand?
>>11877284>with a 4H owner behind the camera, chuckling at everything they said.Thankyou for posting this. I almost believed your previous post, but now I know that everything you said is likely to be at best an embellishment of actual events, and at worst a complete fabrication.
>>11877319>honestly it's just more econimally viable is that why action figures now cost $40 and barely come with accessories or paint apps while acid rain continue to deliver a quality produce for half the price and full details with paint and accessories?
>>11877325>acid rain continue to deliver a quality produce for half the priceHalf the price of what? The RRP for the majority of their 1:18 figs on the Union Creative website is $320HKD, which is roughly equal to $40. Kowkistoys charges $50. I'm not even going to bring up BBTS prices.Has it really been that long since you bought any toys that you think Acid Rain are still half the price of a 1:12 figure?
>>11877335Not to mention Acid Rain are making 1/12 figures now too.
>>11877340and the 1/12 fag lords on YouTube are clamouring for more 1/12 faggotry and see it as an improvement for the brand when 1/18 is what matters not some six inch scale shit
>>11872926It was part of a push for packaging with no plastic because environmentalism. Hasbro also had other toys including Transformers where the front of the packaging was just open, but GI Joe Classified and Marvel Legends got windowless boxes, until they eventually walked back on it. Some of the bigger scale Transformers are still windowless though.>>11873175GOTG was the year before Age of Ultron, so those figures would've been first.
>>11877620>It was part of a push for packaging with no plastic because environmentalism.That was the excuse they gave. Windowless boxes are just cheaper to produce.
>>11877325the guy doesn't understand how retarded he sounds, because nobody can afford to take a wash on selling toys below standard margins. Hasbro stopped doing that in the early 00s. Even retailers started selling toys for MSRP since 2012/2013, instead of the discounts we used to get that made ToysRUs prices (they charged MSRP) seem like ripoffs.I mean, do you remember when Target and Walmart used to have frequent sales ONTOP of their already discounted prices? I remember and they were great times.>>11877340apparently there are two companies making Acid Rain figures. Fext does the 1:12 stuff, while Toy Alliance does the 1:18 stuff. And it's unfair to compare them, because the 1:18 stuff has a bazillion paint apps on them, while the 1:12 figures are Hasbro-like in paint.>>11877319>still no proof nor source but still blabbing on about his made up conditions that have no bearing in the industryno shit>now I know that everything you said is likely to be at best an embellishment of actual eventsYou have no idea what even went on nor know who appeared in the video, because you clearly didn't watch the video. You claimed that they fired the "PR intern", yet there were TWO guys speaking on behalf of 4 Horsemen when they were shitting on their customers for publically complaining about Mythic Legion figures having air pockets in the plastics..Nevermind none of those guys were fired for anything that they said, because they kept on making videos multiple times a month for a year last i checked. Nevermind they didn't apologize for shitting on their customers, insisting that everyone just misunderstood them.i actually watched part of the video where 4H took a piss on their customers and it was pretty clear someone else was in the room with them, since they kept looking at him and he made sounds. Since 4H is such a tiny company who could barely afford those two chucklefucks working part time, it stands to reason the guy behind the camera was a 4H owner.
>>11877755>You claimed that they fired the "PR intern"That was another anon. If that was me, why would I say that I almost believed your previous post when he was already arguing with your previous post? It's ok. I looked up the incident in the archive. There was no mention of someone off camera making sounds, in the original thread or any of the other times I've found you posting about it. Most of which are easy to find thanks to your filenames. In fact, I did a bit of digging on the incident. I even know the roles of both the people in the video. Neither of them were a PR intern and neither of them got fired, so the other anon was also wrong.Strangely though, you tried to claim they were fired in a previous post, so maybe that's where he got the information from.https://archive.palanq.win/toy/thread/10906834/#10908424Reading through the previous posts has been informative.So in conclusion, I'm not taking a cup of water from the rabbi that poisoned the well.
>>11877909>still can't provide a source or proof for the bullshit about 1:18 being nearly as expensive as 1:12>admits he never saw the video, so he has no idea what he's talking about>instead misquotes because he has no argument to defend his dumb bullshitJust so you know, the joke was that the Mythic Legion threads became ghost towns after 4H pissed all over their customers for complaining about an entire wave having air pockets, hence the shills (read: employees) were fired because they weren't even doing damage control while people spread the word about 4H's horrible QC and 4H trying to piss all over their customers https://archive.palanq.win/toy/thread/10868980/#q10890413I really wished i hadn't clicked off their video (unfunny assholes are cringe), just to see if they used the same wording or phrases that had been appearing in the now dead Mythic Legion General when the shills defended 4H constantly fucking up.PS, other forums that have close ties with 4H started deleting people posting their MYthic Legions breaking, so that's also why so many people were stomping on 4H in that thread.
>>11877924>still can't provide a source or proof for the bullshit about 1:18 being nearly as expensive as 1:12That wasn't me. I'm sorry you don't know how to follow a conversation, but the fact that you screwed up your previous reply and combined your reply to me with your reply to >>11877319 which was a completely different post by a different anon shows that you have no mental focus.>Just so you know, the joke was that the Mythic Legion threads became ghost towns after 4H pissed all over their customers for complaining about an entire wave having air pockets, hence the shills (read: employees) were fired because they weren't even doing damage control while people spread the word about 4H's horrible QC and 4H trying to piss all over their customersThis reads like a schizophrenic trying to justify their delusion.So you were joking when you claimed that one of the 4H owners were chuckling from behind the camera when there is no mention of that in any other posts regarding the incident? Are all of your lies just you making jokes when you get caught lying?I don't know what your link proves, other than you like to troll threads for toylines you are embittered about. I already came to that conclusion when I searched your filenames in the archive.
Why is this retard seething about 4 Horsemen?
Not in Japan lol. That's what you get for buying Cape shit from publicly traded companies. They fuck you over.Meanwhile places in Asia make a product because they want to make money on the product not cheapen out on you.
>>11877946It's that time of the month. Someone should buy him some chocolate, peppermint tea, and some Tylenol.
>>11877940>i got called out for bullshitting about 1:18 costing as much as 1:12, but since i can't provide any source or proof to back up my claim, I'm going to pretend I'm anotherfag so i dont need to provide proof and accuse you of other bullshit i'm making upTake it up in the Fantasy toy general >>11873524 you shills took over if you want to defend 4H, who is the only source of your lie that 1:18 costs almost as much as 1:12 to produce, and later tried to ripoff their customers by rushing production and then insulting them for not being pleased with their Mythic Legions being full of air pockets.
>>11878302>i got called out for bullshitting about 1:18 costing as much as 1:12For the third time, that wasn't me. My first reply to you was me ridiculing your crazy ass story about the 4H bosses sitting off camera laughing.>Take it up in the Fantasy toy generalNo, I've already witnessed in the archive that you like to troll that thread with this garbage. I'll continue laughing at your obvious lies here, but let's bring one back over from your attempt to disrupt that thread. >>11878305>the 4H owner literally wasn't laughing in the video. Saying that they were chuckling is literary deviceAh, so it was an embellishment. You made it up. Which was the reason I even replied to you in the first place, because it sounded like a story a preschooler would make up. Like I said, everything you said is likely to be at best an embellishment of actual events, and at worst a complete fabrication. And you just admitted that the part of your story that I called out as hogwash was, in your words, a literary device. An embellishment. Untrue. You are an unreliable narrator.Thank you for admitting that you are a liar.
>>11877946I assume some of his 4H stuff broke
>>11877208>with companies like hiya and Acid Rain moving to 1/12What the fuck are you talking about? Hiya just launched another brand for their Exquisite Basics line and is delivering their Exquisite Basics Walking Dead line much faster than their 1/12 Walking Dead line, same goes for their Star Trek lines. The Alien & Predator line died because Disney didn't continue licensing the brand to them after they bought Fox.The Acid Rain World 1/12 figures are handled by an entirely different company from Toy Alliance.
>>11874383>zoomernessTranny.[-]
>>11872668>american toys
>>11881424No, he's right on that point; zoomers are a fucking plague where ever they go and every discussion one infests will invariably degenerate into a butchering of my beautiful langue with retarded slang that becomes obsolete in a week. Couple that with their insane self-loathing and status as poorfags, and you can see how this is a problem for a toy board.
>>11873548>They literally show the toy and all accessories on the backYeah, a picture, printedI wanted to see the toy, see the paintjob, possible qc I can notice ect
>>11883364>those pesky kids need to get off my la- uh, board
>>11887585and a skibidi ribbity to you too my good sir!
