Man, it really is kinda amazing how hard Revoltech revolutionized toys when they debuted. They really did make almost everything that came before them feel like a brick in comparison, and the modularity from the universal joint pegs was great too. I know some of the really super early ones were a bit wonky, but I feel some of the older ones still hold up today.
>>11878421If that were true then the Revoltech style articulation would be more common, but nobody else uses it.
>>11878425Not anymore, anyway, but for a fairly substantial period a lot of toys extensively used the "universal joint with 3mm pegs" formula and a fair still do (Polynians for example). Likewise, Figma and their joint system were basically created as a reaction to Revoltech.
>>11878426I'm not saying that Revoltech figures don't kick ass, or that the joints aren't great, but I think you're focusing in on like 5 Japanese toy companies that changed things up and projecting that onto the toy industry as a whole. Like none of the western companies adopted that articulation style, the closest you could argue is maybe McFarlane with their wrist and ankle balls, but that feels like a stretch.
>>11878425Thats because no one knows how to balance articulation and sculpt. And people hated Revoltech's ugly cuts. Only Sexyice and messtoys were able to do it properly so far.
>>11878429IIRC there were some western Transformers toys years ago that used that style of joint and also made improvements by slightly making the shafts thicker at the end.
>>11878429>he closest you could argue is maybe McFarlane with their wrist and ankle balls,McFarlane made the Revoltech joints years before them.Also, one of Kaiyodo's owners, creator of famous manga like Trigun, is a giant Todd McFarlane fan since the early 90s. He wanted to make toys just like Todd, which is probably he invested in Kaiyodo in a first place.
>>11878421>some of the really super early ones were a bit wonkyThose also were just 1900 Yen.
>>11878490No he didn't, stop being retarded.
>>11878498So you're saying that McFarlane invented a time machine, went into the future to steal the Revoltech joint and take it back in time to put them on his Onimusha and Spawn figures years before the Revoltech brand even existed?
>>11878518No, I'm saying those aren't Revoltech joints. McFarlane did not invent spheres.
>>11878421Kaiyodo definitely revolutionized the industry with their pre-revoltech figures that had as much articulation as they could pull off with pins and cut joints. Revoltechs themselves, I’m not sure if I’d agree, the revolver joints proved so unpopular that even revoltechs abandoned them, and the hyper articulation to the detriment of sculpt that they are known for is something most other toylines don’t even consider.
>>11878429>I think you're focusing in on like 5 Japanese toy companies that changed things up and projecting that onto the toy industry as a whole.Those five companies revolutionized Japanese action figures and still have the industry by the balls today.
>>11878766Hm, lets see...Medicom, Bandai, Kaiyodo, Max Factory, those are easy, but the fifth.......Square Enix?!
>>11878837takara i'd imagine if anythingsquare enix ain't shit
>>11878766>still have the industry by the balls today.In asia maybe, the western toy market is still in a complete chokehold by Hasbro and Mattel.
>>11878943Why didn't a company as big as Bandai just get a big western license, start shoveling out candy toys in the US and BTFO Hasbro and Mattel? Too risky I guess
>>11878545that doesn't even make sense.So if Kaiyodo didn't make the Revoltech joint, you're simplifying it so that NOBODY invented it because they're just a sphere? WAT?????Do you frequently make your parents lives hell by throwing objects into drains, fires, or out of moving vehicles, because they told you to it wasn't yours? McFarlane was literally the first toy company who made joints like that.McFarlane was also the first toy company who pushed toy companies to become ultra detailed too. They modernized sculpts, using high pressure injection molding in a way no one else did, because they think it could hold as much detail.McFarlane also made 1:12 the standard, because previously, toys were mostly made in 5" and McFarlane wanted to make his toys stand out by making them larger than everyone else. Both McFarlane and Toy Biz pushed toys into being super articulated too. McFarlane and Toy Biz both were pushing toys to having upwards of 30+ PoA, but McFarlane was crazy random, since they put the joints where they could be hidden, and used a lot of cut joints (just like Revoltechs early on).What McFarlane did, everyone else copied, and including companies in Japan, because Kaiyodo's owner (one of them) admired Todd McFarlane, and was always looking at what he was doing doing and ready to imitate him.
>>11879038Not him but I think the focus is on the wrong aspect for you. Kaiyodo did see what McFarlane has done with painted PVC figures mass produced in cheaper overseas factories, and went hey we could do that too, yes. They shifted their focus from vinyl and resin GKs to something more friendlier to the consumers. Former CEO has said so no denying it. This happened long before Revoltechs. But putting together PVC action figures with whatever joints, I don't think you can really go this started that or who influenced who. Angle cut swivels were Yamaguchi's specialty at Kaiyodo before they even started messing with PVC and I'm not sure he had influence there, interviews sounded like it was from necessity because Kaiyodo at the time only liked statues. And it's not like McFarlane made their figures with shared set of joints for years and years that allows you to swap body parts. That's where Revolver Joints concept really came from, for the line Assemble Borgs. Ratchets were to hold up the bigger builds one might make the more they bought and combined. Revoltech was the offshoot originally. And are you still thinking Nightow is part of Kaiyodo somehow? I think I corrected you a few times over the years, you don't seem to take in new information well. He's a mangaka and a hobbyist. He's very much independent who brought the concept of the joint and Assemble Borg to Kaiyodo for some type of partnership, no details on who owns what exactly but neither matter anymore Kaiyodo doesn't use either of them now.
>>11879030There isn't really an established market for that kind of stuff. It could be done theoretically given that Gacha are basically just blind-boxes, but you'd need to convince retailers. It doesn't help that most children's toys are now focused on disposable flavour of the month stuff like Labubu or those squishy toy things, which have always been a component, but now they seem to be the focus.
>>11879067it wasn't PVC back then. McFarlane was using hard plastics for most of the 90s, just like other toy companies were using, because that's what the factories used. They switched back and forth in the 00s.>Angle cut swivelsAlso was McFarlane's specialty too, since these were easily hidden or barely noticeable. Lots of companies used swivels and cuts for decades (because they're cheap), so neither company was all that innovative with that.> Assemble Borgs.So you're saying, without McFarlane creating the revoltech joint, it wouldn't be possible to make a Microman knockoff line?And yes, Nightow is part of Kaiyodo, since he's sharing alll his ideas and designs with them. You don't do that without having part ownership into a company. The guy has a ton of money and obviously wanted to get into the toy business, just like his hero.How much of an owner of Kaiyodo is he? Who knows, it all depends on how much he invested into the company. Toy companies don't go from making fan kits and statueshit and then go into making action figures without a large amount of money. It's a very big leap that almost never happens (at least pre-kickstarter).
>>11879091Huh? No the Microman inspired Assemble Borg line is pretty much independent of Mcfarlane. Joints are joints they exist everywhere long before you can't really force a connection there. Not sure why one type of jointing gets a pass but the other must be an invention of McFarlane. Nightow isn't part of Kaiyodo ever. His partnership has a buffer Toy Tribe. You're talking stocks, who cares and who really knows. I'm talking employment, position, stuff like that which he's not at all any part of.
>>11879094>Not sure why one type of jointing gets a pass but the other must be an invention of McFarlane.Because no one knows who invented the swivel or cut joint. Same with the ball-hinged joint. Who can you praise for that? The Revoltech (that Mcfarlane created) joint was a huge innovation and a ton of people like seeing it used, because of the poseability it can offer.People and companies deserve praise, hence OP creating this thread despite McFarlane actually deserving most of it, because toys looked like PIC before his innovations.Some sorryasses like to downplay these innovations, saying if so and so didn't do it, someone else would, but mankind has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. For 490,000 of those years, nothing of value was made. Something as simple as the wheel wasn't invented until fucking 4000BC. Mankind needs innovators or else we'd have gone 500,000 more years living in mudhuts and dying from the common cold.>You're talking stocksthere is no stock, because it's a private company. Which also means whatever Nightow invested into the company makes him a much larger voice, hence his involvement with the company is when Kaiyodo started doing the shit that /toy/ likes. No one here cares about what Kaiyodo did before he got involved.
>>11879110If it wasn't that then the way you write makes it sound like Nightow is some kind of board member at Kaiyodo who single-handedly changed the company forever. It was a not-so-long partnership with his brand that I doubt he had to put up any funds into, probably little more than simple licensing + contract work pay for the newer designs. That doesn't equate to a member of Kaiyodo. It's like how Takeya isn't a member of Kaiyodo. Personal friend definitely.The way you picture how it went doesn't really go with how both Assemble Borgs and Revolver Joints ended if he had any sort of voice. He seemed like he wanted AB to continue posting some new designs on Twitter. There were many unreleased ones we saw prototypes as well. That just seems like Kaiyodo ending something that didn't sell as in they had full say. Same for his actual manga becoming figures after a certain point. A larger voice you'd think there would be more. No they were just another set of IPs they did or didn't do based on appropriate demand.
>>11879156>Nightow is some kind of board member at Kaiyodo who single-handedly changed the company forever.didn't he?Here's the type of shit that Kaiyodo was making before Nightow was raving about McFarlane.>probably little more than simple licensing + contract work pay for the newer designsI sincerely doubt this, because you don't go from making shit like this to fully articulated action figures. They need a lot of funds that a model makers don't have. Again, there's a reason why so many statueshit toy and model companies rarely ever make the jump.Nevermind the Revoltech joint being used for years and years without anything that visibly involved Nightow. Revoltech was extremely iconic and connected with Kaiyodo. It goes beyond a simple patent or licensing fee, especially given how Nightow constantly appears with people from Kaiyodo.
>>11879175You make it sound like only Nightow knew Mcfarlane existed in Japan. People in the industry knew. Copying their success wasn't that unique of an idea. >given how Nightow constantly appears with people from Kaiyodo.Yeah, because they're friends. Do you understand friends? People who like figures being friends such a confusing concept. I get that your just speculating so maybe try not stating them like facts. As for value to Kaiyodo, the mini figures that were inside Choco Egg were far more valuable, they paid for their corporate building. CEO keeps saying nothing came close to making that amount of money. That started late 90's maybe that was enough for a startup, maybe WonFes in the 90's were quite profitable. Companies like Xebec probably paid for a good portion. But a so-so successful mangaka having that big of a financial input then seems less likely in my book sorry.
>>11879185>Yeah, because they're friends. Do you understand friends?No one gives anything away for free, especially when they're a business.Again, Revoltech was Kaiyodo's iconic brand for well over a decade and there's no mention of Nightow in any of the fine print. Everything ©®™ is plastered with Kaiyodo's name, labels and addresses, instead of Nightow.And Nightow isn't some Kaiyodo employee nor credited as such, so he's not some work for hire. What he is is a well known author for popular animes and mangas, so know he's rich without being told he's rich. Yes, I'm speculating, but to think otherwise is pretty stupid.So when you see Nightow suddenly involving himself with Kaiyodo, speaking on their behalf, announcing products on their behalf, sharing his ideas and designs without any credit like other employees, guess what?Nightow IS part of Kaiyodo, so when you see those trademarks, copyrights, etc,since Nightow is an owner of KAiyodo, he actually is being credited when you see the Kaiyodo name, logos, labels, and addresses.Again it stands to reason that Kaiyodo suddenly got the money to produce expensive action figures like pic due to Nightow being a rich creator who wanted to invest in a toy company, so he can be like the man he admires.Also, note the Mcstatue posing on this toy. This is something McFarlane was famous for and everyone copiedAlso also, KAiyodo really didn't become well known until they made those horrible gorilla EVA figures from the 90s. So you're skipping a few steps in how they would get their money just through hard work. Where'd they get the money to even license Evangelion, muchless produce an action figure of it?Also also also, it's a given that Nightow wasn't the only one that was into McFarlane. The manga page i posted says as much.
>>11879038>So if Kaiyodo didn't make the Revoltech joint, you're simplifying it so that NOBODY invented it because they're just a sphere? WAT?????The only thing that McFarlane figure's ankle has in common with a Revoltech joint is being a sphere.Revoltech joints are specifically ratchet joints in varying sizes with a 3mm peg at either end. Hell, the actual design for the Revoltech joint has changed a lot over the years (early ones had each half slotted into each other and secured with a plastic pin, then they moved to a sturdier and simpler two-part assembly).So unless McFarlane was using ratcheted modular joints with 3mm pegs that were used throughout a figure's construction before Kaiyodo, you're full of shit.
>>11879191No one said free. There's his group Toy Tribe and I'm assuming a percentage went to him while Revolver Joints were used. But who knows it might have been a large sum at the start only, or here's a shocker, he did give Kaiyodo a great deal for the idea BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDS. You can promote something just because you like their products without having some investment in them. I think having action figures of your manga made by them is all it takes for that but that must be only me huh? I don't understand your whole view on credit and such. His involvement was well promoted about the Revolver Joints when it started, AB was clearly his baby with the Toy Tribe brand, no need to mention figures of his manga....Your speculations of events seems far-fetched and placing too much significance in one mangaka for the finance. Kaiyodo was already around for a good 30 years they were getting noticed for their crafts and involvement with WF, I think they could get their investors the old fashion ways. Xebec sharing the loads can explain the licensing. It's tricky I agree to know what type of deal they had for the joints. other companies clearly had to go to Kaiyodo to use them like what happened with VulcanLogs so they clearly own them. But clearly didn't prevent Nightow to share he's the originator for the joints, co-produce, call it whatever. When you're actually Kaiyodo company men THEY DO mention involvement, at least the artistic aspect like designer and sculptor. I think the Toy Tribe partnership made that behave differently and/or they had a unique deal for the joints. For example producing the AB line itself could be the tradeoff deal.
>>11879191>So you're skipping a few steps in how they would get their moneyI'm not. Kaiyodo became well known (in Japan at least where it matters) because of Choco Egg in late 90's. Those Yamaguchi Evangelion figures came later in early 2000's. The timeline isn't that off. They were making lots of cash fast and then all these painted and assembled PVC action figures started being produced. Looks like simple math to me.
>>11879258>No one said free.>here's a shocker, he did give Kaiyodo a great deal for the idea BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDSThat's exactly why i had to say that nobody gives shit away for free (at least, nobody with any sense of business) because there's a lot of dumb people who think shit like this. Since Nightow isn't a pauper or in jail (see former Gaianx people), he knows what he's doing.>Kaiyodo was already around for a good 30 years ... and suddenly get a ton of money out of nowhere, from releasing shitty kits to full action figures in a couple of years? I mean, yeah, if they got their investors the old fashion ways, which is friends and family: their best friend Nightow got famous inbetween those years.. Your post is a ton of reaching. I'm not going to go through every little specific detail, but Nightow is clearly involved with Kaiyodo beyond just being friends and you're trying to discount everything that Nightow does with conjecture without any actual links. The very fact that Kaiyodo has the Revoltech rights, despite Nightow being credited with its creation, proves Nightow has ownership in Kaiyodo. Again, if Nightow were just an employee or work for hired, he'd be credited like Yamaguchi would be. Employers generally aren't credited, even though they sometimes put ideas out for movies, books, games, etc.BTW, here's the full comic.Note how Nightow talks about being a exec for a hobby company, years before Toy Tribe even existed. this comic was made before Nightow and McFarlane worked together, which would have been before 1998, since it takes so long to make a toy and the fact that McFarlane has referenced 1998 as the year they got the license. Based on the toys he drew, it's probably 1995 (MF rerelease came out and Violator monster truck was the year before).
>>11879276>money out of nowhereNot sure why you keep ignoring Choco Egg...oh because it brakes your theory right. Nightow being some sort of secret Illuminati council member of Kaiyodo isn't reaching? Sheesh. Is that exec thing you're implying is Kaiyodo? Something that has no record of anywhere. Okay. What I've said are not hard info to find unlike your speculations. Again. he's not completely uncredited. partnership with Toy Tribe and AB being his designs are no secret. The only thing you say that's true is yeah him or TT isn't credited every single time the joints are used (at least AFAIK don't have any boxes old enough with me). But they are joints, how far do they really need to go on the box? They don't credit who designed the boxes. The Kaiyodo deal with TT could simply be they don't have to for whatever benefit he gets out of it (like I don't know regarding AB perhaps? ) None of this has to mean he must have part ownership of the company. Big if if he did I doubt it survived the recent MSD buyout anyway. None of these are used by Kaiyodo now.
>>11879281oops breaks
>>11879281>Nightow being some sort of secret Illuminati council member of Kaiyodo isn't reaching? Sheesh. Is that exec thing you're implying is Kaiyodo? Something that has no record of anywhere.So you're calling him a liar, despite all evidence pointing toward him being an owner of Kaiyodo? And for all we know, his name is on the Kaiyodo building directory. I don't live in Japan or even read Japanese, so i can't even search japanese websites. I mean, shit, do you even know any of the execs at Mattel or Hasbro besides maybe their CEO? I don't and i can read English.What i do know is that Nightow directly named himself a exec for a hobby (before KAiyodo started making action figures? it lines up with Kaiyodo's history) company before he started Toy Tribe and the fact that he's been hanging around top Kaiyodo people since the 90s. And as soon as he actually got famous/rich, somehow Kaiyodo started making toys in the same style as McFarlane Toys, which is owned by Nightow's hero: Todd McFarlane.>he's not completely uncreditedI'm talking about official credits. Not them presenting him at interviews, shows, or magazines. Yamaguchi or Enoki or Katsuo or etc get billed somewhere on the box of the toy that they made.>ignoring Choco EggI can't respond to everything, especially when figures like >>11879191 came out before they would possibly have the money it, so you're still skipping a step or three to get to the point where they had money to make more than model kits that they could have made out of their garage.
didn’t everyone hate revolver joints
>>11879319Your ignorance and not knowing Japanese is suppose to support your claim? Great. Does that even matter now? Google translation has been really good with Japanese the last couple of years. What evidence?? it's all speculations from you. A happened around B so it must be that not C, D, E,.... At least mine involves companies with names and well documented events. All that comes up about Nightow and Kaiyodo is their partnership developments with Toy Tribe which is his group. Lots of "co"-something somethings. That's Kyodo blah blah in Japanese. The fact they need to specify that everytime tells me he's in the out, not in the in. He's an outsider not insider like owning the fucking Company. Yes you can look up execs. I see 4 names current and 2 names past (founder and his son). 渡邊 経康, 大寺 正高, 安田 浩, 荒井 隆次, 宮脇 修, 宮脇 修一 none are Nightow 内藤.I'm not sure how this is not getting to you, you can't ignore the largest sum of money the company has ever made, making the figures for the Choco Egg. It fucking created the term Otona Gai. If it was unclear, surely the candy company would have paid for them to start. There's no skipping anything. They got a deal with a candy company, it made crazy money, Kaiyodo started making more completed PVC action figures soon after that people are familiar with. It's that simple. >>11879191 this before all that you can still explain with Xebec partnership which continued for a lot of their early figures. Kaiyodo hardly produced anything on their own for PVC figures. It started to only until recently after MSD started paying for everything so hard to say they are even now. AND NONE OF THIS EXPLAINS WHY IT HAS TO BE A SECRET! Kaiyodo would promote the hell out of that, they drag around Bome to this dayYour fantasy not being true seem like the only option. I doubt Nightow is lying but that you're not understanding what he's talking about.
>>11879349That's how I remember it too. >>11878421I don't think what Revoltech revolutionized was through their joints. What truly made them stands out was their IP selection. Japanese toy brands hardly did anything outside certain IPs. Kamen Rider had an action figure line, Gundam had theirs, etc. You get a few offshoots, some were called exactly that, but nothing too crazy. Kaiyodo was like that too, having dedicated lines for Hokuto no Ken, Eva, Virtual-ON etc. Revoltech started with a promise that every month they would release something that's human, super robot or real robot. They shown that starting the line with Dante, Dougram and New Getter 1, one of each. Only line that did something similar before was Microman with DC, SF, Eva, Devilman...but obviously limited by using their human body bucks. People bought Revoltechs because most of them were the only decent option for that IP. Mecha had decent selection for plastic models because of the Gunpla Boom. Revoltech acted much like that but for the random IP action figures like figma that followed. They started exploring many genres that others later copied. That's my two cents on the topic.
>>11879353>referring to some guy as co-something in relation to their company is meaningless>his partnership with the company means he's an outsider>and lemme just ignore the part where he calls himself an exec at the only company he's been associated with for over 30 yearsooof, your mental gymnastics needs workAlso, looking up the names you linked to brings up the company page, which wouldn't list any owners, just the CEO and business types.Nightow seems to be an investor who got in because he just wants to make toys, not doing the day to day business like the people listed here https://kaiyodo-co-jp.translate.goog/company/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp>you can't ignore the largest sum of money the company has ever madeWhat does this matter if it was made AFTER they started making action figures. The biggest hurdle for a company who was only making model kits came BEFORE it.And again, it coincidentally comes when Nightow comes across a large some of cash and also coincidently makes all of Kaiyodo's toys look like they were made by McFarlane Toys.
>>11879372Just keep ignoring all the actual business partners at the time and pretend Kaiyodo was paying everything themselves. How a company familiar with McFarlane wouldn't try without having some mangaka chip in (I'm sure he did buying their GK lol) Or how most of the good stuff came after one of those partnership made huge bucks that they had extra funds to make a new building. And a company wouldn't promote that a celebrity is directly tied to their company and keep it out of the public for a mysterious reason. That sounds sane, no gymnastics there. As for owners all I see is that the stocks belonged to the previous execs, "People around the founding family" with father and son only being the two named. Now they all belong to the investor group MSD. If your fantasy brain wants to squeeze in Nightow to people associated with Miyawaki family then I can't stop you. Or the banks took it from the founder family but still kept Nightow in? Secretly? If you would just call him "partner" and not owner like every source I find keeps saying I wouldn't be on this for this long. Hate to confuse anons. > 漫画家内藤泰弘氏が主催するトイトライブ原案の、フィギュアオリジナルワールド「アッセンブルボーグ」シリーズ展開開始。For 2008 they bothered to mention him as Toy Tribe, seems like a weird distinction for a owner.
>>11879276>>11879372>>11879319Holy crap. this is priceless. I had to track down the original Japanese text for these pages because I fucking don't trust translators (he even says he has no idea what he's talking about!!). I'm not that big of a fan of Trigun so wasn't too familiar with the originals here. I like BBB moreHE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING A COMPANY EXECUTIVE AT ALL!!!! the line is >実はアメリカのおもちゃを集めるハイソかつエグゼクティブな趣味人な顔を持っているんですねWhich is him saying he has a high society and executive like hobby of collecting American toys. Nothing to do with companies. He's using the word Executive as "someone like an executive", same idea as high-society. The one rope you were standing on wasn't even true. Chew on that subby.
>>11878421Revoltech still mogs Snail Shell and other cooler figs today by doing something truly daring and revolutionary: actual nipples and other anatomically accurate bits on their pieces. Cattleya is still the undisputed queen of coomer figs, standing firm and strong even in the face of other contenders. Snail Shell's Mao-watched and CCP-cucked figs can't even raise a candle to her legacy. Of Revoltech.
>>11879388>i don't understand how business worksJust so you know, I'm part owner of a company and i call the other owner my partner. IT's very common term when there's multiple owners, retard.Someone can own a share of any company and be considered an owner, sorta like how Good Smile Company owned(owns?) part of 4chan and this isn't written anywhere publically except in some news article.Again, someone doesn't need to have a position in the company to be an owner, investors are a dime a trillion, even in the private sector.>That sounds saneuuuhhh... it's very common, hence "journalists" constantly needing to dig that info up themselves to sensationalize it (see gsc owning 4chan). google "secret owners" and "companies owned by celebrities" to find a billion tabloid trash articles>ib4 b-b-but there's companies named and/or endorsed by the celebrityand there's lots of other ones that arent>>11879396>i don't trust human translators. i only trust AI translatorsYou're super retarded.And let's pretend that Nightow was never an owner, so this means that someone else at Kaiyodo who was a giant McFarlane Toys fan and copied all of MCFarlane's innovations. So there were two giant fanboys at Kaiyodo who pushed the company to copy everything McFarlane Toys was doing.... badly, like pic. Their early figures were awful. Very Mattel-like in terms of sculpt.And yes, even if Nightow never bought any part of Kaiyodo, he still played a major part in the company, since he copied McFarlane's joint and made the REvoltech the more iconic part of the company for over a decade.
>>11879417>i don't trust human translators. i only trust AI translatorsNo I don't trust either. You still can't tell I know Japanese? geez. Hey what's one more fact you choose to ignore. Keep being ignorant. I found all the relevant information for what I'm saying it's all out there. The one thing that didn't make sense was that Trigun panel and it turns out to be bad translation so I'm happy with that. There were others at Kaiyodo being aware of what McFarlane is doing? YES why is that hard to believe. Early ones weren't great? First attempts not being perfect what a surprise. Why does that even matter? They got better as they did more oh that must be only because of one mangaka. I just think everything you think he did was through Toy Tribe which is a separate entity (and no records of that owning any part of Kaiyodo) that he is well documented for. Those figures still had bigger companies like Xebec being involved for the finances. I'm sure Nightow made sure his figures looked the best they could being the IP holder. Still doesn't mean he was part of the company or that the actual people there had nothing to do with what they made. Nothing really supports people outside the founder family had shares either until 2020.
>>11879448> You still can't tell I know Japanese?Why are you so bad at pretending? Everything in your posts translated exactly how Google Translate translated it, which is hilarious, given how bad AI translation is. BTW, i took three semesters of Japanese in college, am terrible at it still, but i know enough that Google Translate is still shit, since my nephew has asked me for help in his Japanese courses.>Nothing really supportsBecause you looked through some ABOUT page on a toy company's website? lol, dude.You're acting like you're some top notch journalist with a dozen sources in Japan, when all you're doing is using google and Google Translate in 2026, when 3/4ths of the internet has been completely wiped out and just finding images of old toys is harder than it was just two years ago.But hey, please continue to ignore that there's just too many coincidences about Nightow and KAiyodo, and that you totally know Japanese, despite everything you say exactly coming from Google Translate, because you want to downplay Nightow's role at Kaiyodo.I originally thought you were downplaying Nightow's role, because you also wanted to downplay McFarlane's influence on Kaiyodo, but apparently you just really hate Nightow, because why else would you be pretending to know Japanese and not understand what a partner is?pic of the type of shit KAiyodo was making before they started imiating McFarlane.
>>11879398>Snail Shell's Mao-watched and CCP-cucked figs can't even raise a candle to her legacy. Of Revoltech.Kek, that one got me.
>>11879475Believe what you want. Hey AI translating has come a long way they aren't completely off anymore. I've been impressed with it lately and no what they gave me for that translation wasn't dead on nor was I giving the perfect one-to-one, just the important part of what he wrote there which was unrelated to what you thought it was. That's not hard to fuck up. But picking up Haiso as short of high society you must admit that's coming a long way. Video translation on youtube is still strange though the few times I have to go turn that shit off while it's playing. Also not so much about his role then but this ridiculous claim of yours over ownership. Just the strangest hill you won't budge off of. Which I think it's mainly from that one panel but now you should know is wrong. I might take it as compliment you believe I'm not any bit Japanese. My English must be good enough for that. Now go mock me there as well. I will just look forward to the future when I see you post the same page saying the same wrong information thinking whoa what a lazy bastard can't even be bothered to check a page in a book (I hope official one isn't as badly translated.) Or go look at the original try out that 3 semesters knowledge.
>>11879475And it's so fascinating and telling of your character that you went with "he must be going through the trouble of pretending to know Japanese for whatever reason" over "oh Google AI must be getting better" when you personally don't have the means to confirm them.
>>11879493He likes to sperg out about AI despite the fact that he uses AI detectors to try to claim anons here compose their posts with AI. The very same AI detectors that are built from an AI. The ones that flag classics such as Pride and Prejudice or Master and Commander as being AI generated content.Always remember that every accusation he makes is projection, and an admission of guilt.
>>11879516That's a newer thing I'm unfamiliar with because I haven't come across him for a time. I still don't completely understand what that means lol (to edit with?)I'm just happy this gave me the reason to look into that manga pages he likes to use. The part that was his strongest card was complete bullshit lol. That felt pretty good.
>>11879417Oh I just noticed you seem to be confusing what I wrote about partnership. I'm not seeing "Nightow is a partner of..." phrases like that. They're all 共同開発、共同企画 Kyodo as in co-developing, co-project with Nightow's, Toy Tribe. Hence not to do with ownership like a partner of a law firm. I think that was the last misaligned views, at least for me.
>>11879516>He likes to sperg out about AI despite the fact that he uses AI detectors to try to claim anons here compose their posts with AI. The very same AI detectors that are built from an AI. The ones that flag classics such as Pride and Prejudice or Master and Commander as being AI generated content.That's really interesting. I guess Pride and Prejudice influenced language enough that it shows up in a lot of AI training, so AI reads it as "sounding like AI." Fascinating stuff.
>>11879038Does it sadden you to see that McFarlane Toys no longer tries to continually innovate in a way that benefits customers like they once did in the 90s and 00s, and just kind of coasts on the name McFarlane?
>this fucking conversation againOh boy
Didn't read too much into this huge convo but I do recall Nightow is a huge westaboo and loves western culture as one can see in his manga itself. He definitely licensed out Trigun to McFarlane to make some figures of the characters as I recall their releases. That comic panel of him swooning over Spawn toys is definitely real.
>>11879740It is. Translation of a crucial part was completely wrong which really threw off everything. Him saying he's an executive of a hobby company wasn't at all what he said there. Just that he likes collecting American toys.
>>11879493>literally quoted Google Translate word for word>i totally know Japanese, so i know all human translations are wrong, and an About page on a Japanese website totally says everything about the companyembarassingYou have to be pretty low IQ if you think what you're saying doesn't make you sound like a bullshitter.BTW, here's an interview with the CEO (who also doesn't show up in the ABOUT page, which shows how incomplete it is), where he talks about how McFarlane Toys Spawn line was super influencial in Japan and how much Kaiyodo needed to copy McFarlane.
>>11879852I talked about him here >>11879067That's the son, Miyawaki aka Senmu mentioned here >>11879353 as FORMER CEO. I wrote just that the first post here. Great job catching up. When the banks bought out Kaiyodo all the tops were changed. As I repeatedly said. He is everywhere because he is the face of Kaiyodo even now, he's not missing. Your understanding is missing as always. Believe your delusions. They're all out there to see and the fucking manga pages in their original glory might as well be written on stone. The one thing that got crossed wired in our talks was the "partner" thing where I now realized you took that in the wrong way, I explain that here >>11879553 since you seem to skip a lot.
>>11879852And have you even looked at what I can only assume is a scanlation? Translator straight up says he has no idea what he's talking about and almost certainly wrong. Great foundation there. I'm sure a real copy did a better job I'm guessing your Japanese isn't good enough to understand >>11879396 because you're not doubting I have the right original dialogue? but an AI can't possibly be right at anytime? It's not even word to word because having only that bit the AI takes it saying "you are..." when it is actually saying "I am..." so even your accusation reason isn't right.
>>11879516I can see what you mean.
>>11879852What's funny is what you wrote>>11879038>What McFarlane did, everyone else copied, and including companies in Japan, because Kaiyodo's owner (one of them) admired Todd McFarlane, and was always looking at what he was doing doing and ready to imitate him.Is completely correct if you were talking about Senmu. But when I double checked you said it was about Nightow so that's where this got derailed. Now I know you got mislead by a bad translation. Feels good solving the cause.
>>11879862>b-b-but he's the face of kaiyodo!He's still there, still has a position in the company, has ownership in the company, and his name is missing, which again shows how low IQ you are in thinking an ABOUT page would actually disclose everything about the company. Here he is talking about how he was going to shut Kaiyodo down in 2020 and how he later got someone to buy 90% of the companyhttps://www.toy-people.com/en/?p=65374>Believe your delusionsSays the guy who is pretending to totally know Japanese because you use Google Translate, thus that means other humans are wrong.
>>11879882Did you read anything I wrote?? LOLI didn't. It just happens it wasn't completely off. When I checked I told you it wasn't word to word even. I mean why are you arguing about that? You can't tell what's right or wrong Japanese apparently.Or read the posts you're arguing against. You are repeating the things I told you as if it's somehow your counterpoints. Fucking Christ. I only said he wasn't CEO anymore.As far as I can see MSD got all the shares of the company but they don't really bother with percentage in announcement lingo
>>11879882And he's not missing you idiot. READ!! it's your own post link too >>11879372THE TEXT IS WRITTEN BY HIM!!!And he's mentioned in the timeline. He's not a board member anymore. Senmu is a nickname now not a job title anymore. He is listed as a consultant now. Why I refer to him as the face because he was always out in the public. He still runs WF for example.
>>11879892Oh yeah that translation of the company page does have a crucial error. You still missed his name BTW I didn't notice because the original is 顧問(センム) 宮脇修一Senmu in katakana because that's only a nickname now. But the translated ver you linked ignored the actual title the advisor part and took the nickname as the title. Nuances like that are hard to pick up.
>>11879889>i wrote some low IQ bullshit that was an obvious lie, so i wrote some more low IQ bullshit to explain away my old bullshit, so you have to believe me nowYou're ignoring the point that you've been using the ABOUT page to pretend it totally should have Nightow's name on there somewhere, despite it not showing more important people within the company.And let's pretend that Miyawaki completely retired 3 months after his last interview, sold off his remaining shares, and company About pages are completely up to date, which means that the About page doesn't list former owners and investors.So all this time, you've been using the lack of officially documentation is proof enough to contradict real factual evidencepic of how Nightow's creation isn't credited to him and instead credited completely to Kaiyodo, almost like he's part of the company. If it was licensed or patented by Nightow, as it was created under his own Toy Tribe company, it would have the info about him (or TT) like Harley Quin here is being credited to DC and WB.
>>11879902First of all, read. Senmu's name is there. And you are the one that keeps bringing up the ABOUT page as if that's where ALL my info came from. Most of it is what I remember and quick searches to double check. And most of what I remember is what Senmu talked about over the years because HE LOVES TO TALK. Yeah sure that one page doesn't list everything good for you. No one said he retired. Are you arguing with a simulation of yourself as a stand-in for me? That explains a few things like how you're not reading. And why did you bring up AY Harley? Yeah Nightow HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. I'm All Capsing a lot because you can't read apparently. Revoltechs don't use Revolver Joints anymore, haven't for many years. AB is also completely gone (well I'm sure they still sell because they can't get rid of them). I doubt the name Revoltech was tied to Toy Tribe in anyway and even if it was, the big corporate shakedown and the rebranding back to Revoltech name they would get rid of any loose ends. This was brought up somewhere here too. I can't believe you're still on this Nightow train. >So all this time, you've been using the lack of officially documentation is proof enough to contradict real factual evidenceUmmm I honestly can't think of a better phrase to describe you and close all this...incredible.
>>11878421I remember an old store in Chinatown almost 20 years ago. they were selling most of their Revoltechs for like $10 each. It was around the same time I discovered figmas, which motivated me to watch Haruhi and Lucky Star. I considered those lines as Japan's Marvel Legends because there was practically no super-articulated line worth attention til they showed up. What a time
>>11879902I do want to tie up loose ends so I'll help you out. Obviously AB they have ToyTribe on the boxes, him and Jinguji designs them, the revolver joints obviously. I didn't have any old boxes left so I wasn't sure but found the right pic. The text explaining revolver joints do mention ToyTribe. And Jinguji the designer name but the rest is hard to read. Not the cleanest example. Not that it matters to you you can only take my word for it apparently. It's Trigun so Nightow is the license holder anyway. You can look at your boxes of appropriate Revoltech and find someone you trust to translate or get back learning Japanese. I will repeat though, AY Harley is completely unrelated.
>>11879916Wait I can make out Nightow's name 内藤泰弘 there too, it's almost solid black but it's there after Toytribe
>>11879917Here is a cleaner shot of the text where his name is.
>>11879913He's mentioned SOMEWHERE, but not within the actual credits and it doesn't list him as an owner or shareholder. Again, they obviously don't care to list every single little detail like you want to pretend an ABOUT page should.You keep pretending that being mentioned anywhere is actually being credited, but that's not how businesses work. Hence all that official mumbo jumbo on the boxes, because they want to avoid being sued.Again, the fact that there's so little actual documentation on Revoltech is again pointing how Nightow is/was an owner of Kaiyodo, since Kaidoyo is officially listed for everything revolving Revoltech. Again, that shit should be properly labeled and credited, because businesses want to avoid lawsuits and protect their rights.>b-b-but nightow would never sue his best friends!again, he doesnt appear to be a low IQ retard like you and is still rich, so he obviously understands how businesses should operate.Also, i think it's funny how Nightow was credited with being the reason Kaiyodo copied McFarlane, but apparently the CEO and owner was also one of other huge fanboys at the company too. Kaiyodo was expilictically copying MCfarlane Toys, and thank god for that, because look at this horrible shit.>>11879916>>11879917IT makes sense that Nightow would use his own company (maybe studio would be more appropriate, considering those toys were still made by Kaiyodo) to make his Trigun figures, since WTF do they even do? I haven't heard them make anything in over a decade and very little inbetween when they were active.
>>11879675Frankly they fucked up Warhammer for me when it comes to Space Marines. They didn't use proper Mk. VII helmets, they don't hold a candle to Bandai in terms of coloration and sculpt (but I will cede they have better wrist articulation), their legs are pretty limited and the plastic feels super tacky to the touch and kinda cheap. …then they fucked up further when they had the Guardsman and the Commissar roughly be the same height as a Space Marine, when canonically Marines tower over them. Really unacceptable. Also the Commissar's leather jacket is crap. I wish some better company would get the license for a proper 1/12 scale Warhammer figure lineup. Knowing my luck it'd be overpriced crap from something like Sexyice, and would STILL lack proper Mk.VII helmets.
>>11879924He wrote it, he list his current advisory position (which is like honorary almost, I'm sure he's paid and all, not sure of share holding now) and he's not among the actual executives because he's not one of them anymore. It's almost like they kept him to ease the fans, also many of them aren't from toy industry but amusement park management lol. Not sure what more you need there. You are the only one fixated on the page YOU found and didn't even read. Why keep dragging this?>Again, the fact that there's so little actual documentation on Revoltech is again pointing how Nightow is/was an owner of Kaiyodo, since Kaidoyo is officially listed for everything revolving Revoltech. Again, that shit should be properly labeled and credited, because businesses want to avoid lawsuits and protect their rights.? He is printed on the box along with ToyTribe and Jinguji so all this you're babbling about is not valid. I thought you missed latest posts but you didn't. I'm so confused who you really are arguing with. >it's funny how Nightow was credited with being the reason Kaiyodo copied McFarlane, ? where is this coming from? I don't live in your brain. The fact you're talking about Kaiyodo but didn't seem to know much about Senmu till now is really telling the level of interest you actually have. It's hard not to stumble onto him messing with Kaiyodo products. Like it's amiracle his face isn't on every box. Might be for Senmu's Room that was a thing brefly. >>11879924>since WTF do they even do? You mean ToyTribe? From what I gather they're more like a think tank? A group of designers that brings ideas to other companies for joint projects. And probably to handle the licensing rather than doing it directly. Not sure how those Netflix Trigun merch were handled, that would be the last thing? For Kaiyodo there weer 2 BBB Revol Minis. 2 BBB figmas too. Don't know if Toytribe was involved or just the licensing.
>>11879937The Minis were at least. Front side bottom left corner.
>>11879937>? where is this coming from?Just saying, thanks to this thread, we uncovered that the Boss and others at Kaiyodo were big fanboys of McFarlane and they outright stated that they were aiming to copy McFarlane Toy'sI shudder to imagine what toys would look like today if McFarlane hadn't inspired everyone else to do better. Joints that Kaiyodo would later steal were a godsend.And I'm not going to reply to your other bullshit. It's tired and you're still using the absense of documentation as proof, despite knowing that copyrights, patents, trademarks, are supposed to be credited in official ways. Come up with a real argument, instead of pretending you can read Japanese to dismiss facts.
>>11879944I brought up everything relevant. Take it or leave it honestly. Like does it even matter you don't read them...Believe whatever about someone's linguistic ability. Can't stop you. Or how others see you because of that. >to dismiss facts.? Is this still about Trigun page?? bad scanlation is fact...ookay. Going to do my laundry now bye bye~.
>>11879944>Joints that Kaiyodo would later steal were a godsend.For the hundredth time, Subjectanon, the only thing that piece of shit's ankles have in common with Revoltech joints is being spherical. That's it.
If someone took a pic of the ancient McFarlane joint right next to a revoltech joint for a direct comparison we could solve this mystery, Scoob.
>>11880262They clearly aren't constructed the same. Also the McFarlane joints weren't ratcheted.
>>11880296>They clearly aren't constructed the same.That's bad.>Also the McFarlane joints weren't ratcheted.That's good.
>>11880262>thinking you can solve subby's autism with a picture or twolol
>>11880262There is no mystery.If it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it's a duck. The joints serve the same function.And we have TWO head Kaiyodo guys, both McFarlane fanboys, on the record, stating that they wanted to copy McFarlane. Everything McFarlane was doing, Kaiyodo was literally copying.Of course, there's a lot of weeaboos who are screaming that if the duck quacks like a duct, acts like a duck, it isn't a duck unless it has a 3mm beak and has ribbed ankles.It's basically like saying generic prescription drugs aren't the same thing as brand name drugs, because the color and shape isn't the same.
>>11880579>If it quacks like a duckSince the McFarlane joints don't click like a Revolver joint, they aren't a Revolver joint.
>>11880604Not to mention aren't built remotely the same, were only used once (as opposed to being made in multiple sizes and used throughout figures' construction) and in general have no resemblance to Revoltech joints beyond being spherical.Then again this is Subjectanon, who unironically brags about eating cheapo mystery-meat hamburgers.
>>11880579>TWO head Kaiyodo guysWho are they exactly? The founding family and real CEO for 35 years and is very outspoken, out there in public, has face on products that you never knew about until now? That's one. Not some mangaka you mistaken as a company member because you saw a bad scanlation, don't know the nature of ToyTribe, what were actually shown on boxes the accurate description of his level of involvement?Stop pretending you know anything about this.
>>11880841involvement. period. Didn't mean to end in ?
>>11880839The best part of him bringing up the duck test is that much like those one-off McFarlane joints not being built the same or clicking like Revolver joints, there are plenty of waterfowl that swim like ducks but only vaguely resemble ducks, and definitely don't sound like ducks. One of them is the Common Loon, which seems fitting for who we are dealing with.
I'm actually vaguely interested in this premise, if one toy company looked at a specific figure that had a joint that McFarlane designers just kind of riffed on for one or a couple figures and never thought to use again, and if the Japanese built something from there.But without visual comparisons its very difficult to really see anything like that conclusively. I don't have the few McFarlane(s?) which have this joint as they were produced in an obscure Onimusha line it seems.Directly interviews with the Revo guys where they say they took inspiration would substitute for visual comparisons but it doesn't seem like that exists, just knowledge Nightow liked McFarlane figures.
>>11881176>creator of the Revoltech line and giant fanbom of Todd MCFarlane, "I want to copy Todd McFarlane and make toys just like him>son of Kaiyodo's founder and long time CEO, "we copied McFarlane Toys because they made cool toys>Kaiyodo toys as soon as they get enough cash to make toys: preposed dynamic articuated figures, just like McFarlane Toys. Lots of paint apps just like McFarlane toys. Super detailed sculpts just like McFarlane toys. Revoltech joint just like McFarlane ToysThere's no mystery here, unless you're ignorant of how revolutionary McFarlane Toys was and their impact in the toy industry.. and collectors.
>>11881543That sounds a lot better, glad to have helped with corrections. Nitpicking would be "one of the creators/designers of revolver joints" is slightly more accurate and foolproof, because they brought the joint and Assemble Borg concepts to Kaiyodo. Stuff about showing what's possible for mass production of completed figures I don't think anons doubt that. Early articulation seems to be parallel thinking than direct influence (only because what Yamaguchi says in interview video). Same for the actual revolver joints who can say? I mean it's not that distinctive or a huge leap in technology. Yeah sure you did your 1000's of years of humanity speech. But once McFarlane got the ball rolling there's not that much alternative paths. AFAIK McFarlane didn't construct figures just with the same set of hard plastic ball hinges with two peg ends for multiple years (they kind of do now after Fortnite, using set of shared joints lol) not that Revoltech did initially. Because many early Revoltechs were repurposed unreleased action figures with some parts replaced by revolver joint. Another reason "creator of Revoltech line" isn't quite accurate, they were going to release those figures in a different way. Revolver joints are package deal with Assemble Borgs. The Interlink 6 series kind of resemble the concept the most? It seems more megazord in concept though. AB and their joints are far more refined and modular for sure. More like Takara's Henshin Cyborg from the 70's much like Microman the visual inspiration. There's no end to it when you start going who copied who, so without a direct quote from the people involved you can't be sure. "They knew about McFarlane" isn't enough since that's not all they knew. Not sure why you didn't bring up Interlink 6 for such an expert in the topic.
>>11881640>slightly more accurate and foolproofPlaying an autistic lawyer to downplay how revolutionary McFarlane is pretty autistic and you're lawyering is as retarded as only an autistic weeb could play one.I get it, you're upset that a Japanese company looks up to an American company, tried to copy everything that an Ameican company did, and that American company is owned somebody you loathe, but the fact is, Kaiyodo did copy Todd McFarlanes ideas and manfucturing processes.Without McFarlane, pic is the type of shit you'd still be getting ,because this is the type of shit everyone had been making until McFarlane stepped in. IT had to take a revolutionary thinker to move the toy industry forward, copycats like Kaiyodo obviously aren't revolutionaries.... wait no, this is still too revolutionary, because the toy industry didn't think high pressure could hold such fine detail until McFarlane started doing high detail sculpts, so pretend the sculpt on this is much softer and doughy. take away the paint too.>But once McFarlane got the ball rolling there's not that much alternative paths.This is the problem. This is the type of thinking that led to 100 years of doughy sculpts. Who knows what isn't currently being done because they're not thinking outside of the box or the next step forward.
>>11881819You keep arguing on the aspect we agree on. I brought up Miyawaki remember? >>11879067And make up my preference and motivation (I like McFarlane stuff just fine, like Nightow's manga, etc) to make it sound like I have an evil agenda lol. It is the all or nothing, only one inspired everything and all ideas that follow that sounds dumb. It's about the joints, the main focus of this board, modularity meant for Assemble Borgs, that the creators have indeed mentioned Takara toys (from before McFarlane btw) as inspiration. Henshin (transforming) Cyborg, the name alone paints the picture. The heroes and villains are very Microman and Acroyer like. The 90's Acroyer had the same techno-organic look that the Jarknoid has. Pretty hard to ignore all that or draw a line what inspired what of the joints. You don't go into all that because I assume you agree. You did say Microman ripoff before I did lol. If it's detailed painted PVC anything else involving them must all be credited to McFarlane? you want to be that extreme and sound sane? So veiny detaild PVC adult toys he deserve the credit too ok.
>>11881819Articulated hands on standard figures would've been returned to by now if the industry wasn't in a rut without innovation and if costs weren't skyrocketing. In a market like this few designers try to innovate, they try to keep their head down and survive.
>>11881878Jazware's 1:12 Fortnite figures had articuated hands. And that's because old Marvel Legend guys were working there. So there are toy makers who do want to make more articulated figures, but they don't have a license that can stay mainstream in the toy market. When McFarlane got into the toy market, things were booming and there was room for expansion. McFarlane basically started the collector toy market too, where toy makers were now making toys for an older crowd of teens and 40 year olds. Before McFarlane, collectors bought expensive statues, shitty figurine, or model kits.So like you said, the industry is now in a rut, because the market is shrinking and costs are rising to make up for that. Companies are playing it safer, even if there's a bit of expansion with kickstarter type fundraisers to create new shit.>>11881874>lol i actually agree with you but lemme downplay McFarlane again and talk about something else lmaoyour weeaboo is showingBTW, McFarlane never standardized his toylines for a decade or so because they were too busy trying to make the best figure they could for a standard price. So if a figure needed a shit load of paint apps, they gave it a budget of cuts instead of ball-hinges and universal joints. Other figures got 35+PoA because it didn't need as much paint.And McFarlane got way more popular making his McStatues, hence cutting out articulation altogether (there were still soem joints, but usually around 5PoA) in the mid-00s.It wasn't until KB and Sam Goody went out of business that they needed to switch back to the boys toys market. So when they made the Halo line in 2007, they started using his REvoltech joints again (not Fortnite like you thought).
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>>11882246>citing that retarded shoulder joint design as "revolutionary">crying about weeaboos (on 4chan of all places)>glazing articulated hands3 strikes and you're out, subby.McFarlane still didn't invent the Revoltech joint.
>>11882246You're actually saying McFarlane could have done something like Revoltechs before them but chose not to, so they still invented the line first. Hahaha good one.You call me weeaboo but I'm not sure what word suits you. Halo figures didn't seem like standardized jointing to me, they had Spartans that had dozens of variations which changed depending on the games. I'm not sure if any molds carried over from 3 to Reach to 4 for example. The single pin joints maybe? But those are like half a joint since the rest is PVC directly which is part of the figure so requires new mold for every version of Spartan. I think of Fortnite because something like the hip joint assembly are still used to this day for most of their 7 inch figures. They ditched the wrist and ankle spheres midway which was for the better honestly. Those finally felt like the same philosophy as Revoltech or figma, use same set of joints to cut costs.
>>11882246>>11882742I had to go look at my few McFarlane Halo figures not stored away. Reach and 4 Spartans seem to share wrist, elbow, knee, and ankle joints as unique completed joints so at least they carried over one distinct body build. I don't think they were used outside of those Spartans though.
>>11882755The guy's talking out his ass, because he just wants to downplay anything McFarlane because he's a weeaboo. He's just looking at photos, and because McFarlane tried to hide their joints, he doesn't really know what the articulation is like even when they tried to standardize the bodies of their Halo toys. And the alens all have different types of engineering, in the same way Toy Biz MLs did, which is a constant evolution of what worked and what didn't. So one wave could be different from the next.And early on, Revoltechs were the same way too. Most lines evolve, even with Hasbro.>>11882742You're jumping to such retarded conclusions, i don't even know if you read my post, muchless handled two McFarlane halo figures.
>>11883428>The guy's talking out his ass, because he just wants to downplay anything McFarlane because he's a weeaboo.It's not even necessarily that he's a weeb (he probably is) there's just an incredibly strong McFarlane Derangement Syndrome on this board. From what I can tell the MDS afflicted domestic collectors hate Todd for not using the same scale as Marvel Legends.
>>11883471oh, no, the McFarlane hate has been around much longer and specifically because they're seen as a rival for Japanese brands.It's the same shit with why NECA got hated on early in /toy/'s life too.weebs just like to invent new reasons.
>>11883475As someone who buys McFarlanes, the McFarlane hate seems more because modern McFarlane can't offer good range in articulation. Far too many overlays and impedences. And 00s staction McFarlane pissed them off even more. NECA got hate due to QC breaks.
>>11883475you can always smell a subby post because the figures pictured are always at least 10 years old
>McFarlane don't deserve this hate, they're innovators!>Still use exposed pins on their action figures when others have moved on to pinless joints. Past glory is one thing, present criticism is another.
>>11883475>oh, no, the McFarlane hate has been around much longer and specifically because they're seen as a rival for Japanese brands.McFarlane's crossover with Japanese brands is incredibly limited, and the few times they do make the same characters they get mogged every single time. McFarlane's anime figures are laughably bad.>It's the same shit with why NECA got hated on early in /toy/'s life too.NECA is hated because they're shit toys with terrible engineering (see pic related and that horrific bicep cut) and atrocious QC that have a high chance of disintegrating out the box.>>11883471>From what I can tell the MDS afflicted domestic collectors hate Todd for not using the same scale as Marvel Legends.I don't collect Marvel Legends but McFarlane's idea of "scale" is "Oh yeah, this is a 7" scale line, hence every single figure is 7" tall". Hence you have pretty decent (if maybe a little oversized) 1:12 Space Marines from McFarlane, accompanied by human figures that don't even scale with the Marines in the same line, let alone anything else.
>>11883704Everyone knows McFarlane Toys are no longer innovators, just they used to be.Also I hear some customizers like they still use exposed pins since it's easier to take apart and customize the figures, although that is the only advantage.
>>11883767That's not really a great excuse. Latest Mattel MOTU movie line have joints that (I assume) can be easily removed with heating compared to pins. It's the company being cheap, lazy, and not caring about the final aesthetics. Let's not pretend it's otherwise so. McFarlane can put joints like that on action figures too, like Freeze's or Tyranid's elbows. They might look bad as-is on characters without armor so requires some work but can't be as ugly as pins.
>>11883808Oh its definitely not the reason McFarlane keeps the pins. I was surprised that some group still were positive on the pins. The real reason is mcfarlane toys are just lazy as you say.
>>11883755>NECA is hated because I overexaggerate everything and take a few instances from 100 years ago as the entirety of their products todayThis is how you can tell it's just weeaboos who have an axe to grind against a western company.>>11883658>And 00s staction McFarlane pissed them off even moreThis is like pissing all over Playmobil or Playskool toys for not having more detail and articulation. They're just looking to bitch just to bitch.Those toys have their purpose and it's not made for them.Nevermind 00s McFarlane were from an era when super articulation wasn't yet a standard, action gimmicks were still a major feature in the main toylines, and pre-posed sculpts were still popular. So judging their toys based on modern standards is pretty dumb. But thanks to McFarlane inventing the Revoltech joint in the early 00s, it brought Japan into that modern era.
>>11883853McFarlane Toys invented super articulation themselves in around 1998. They could've made it standard on every figure if they wanted.
>>11883471I don't collect Marvel Legends and I'm not a scalefag, and I think McFarlane sucks.>>11883658As well as the inconsistent articulation and shitty design choices like V-cut hips with no other leg joints, late 90s and early 2000s McFarlame had a heap of figures that were prone to breaking, or had floppy joints. I gave up on the company around 2002 because I got tired of paying for figures that looked great, but were duds in either quality or design, or complete statues. And that was long before any Japanese company could be perceived as trying to compete with them. In fact, I remember the figure that was the last straw. It was the Evil Dead Ash vs Evil Ash 2 pack that I bought for a friend for his birthday that immediately broke because of the stuck joints and low quality plastic that would go on to plague Neca's reputation. For every banger like Samurai Spawn, there were a dozen pigs wearing lipstick.I have bought some of Todd's more recent stuff, and what you said is spot on. Sculpts or overlays that impede articulation. I was tempted by both of the Spawn Kickstarters, but I could see that they were going to be poseable statues, with the poseability being a complete afterthought.
>>11883853>This is how you can tell it's just weeaboos who have an axe to grind against a western company.Nope. NECA is notorious for their shitty QC. I buy plenty of Western figures and none of them have the same problems I've had with NECA.>Those toys have their purpose and it's not made for them.They're just lower budget statues with pointless articulation cuts for barely functional joints. They fail as statues and they fail as action figures.>But thanks to McFarlane inventing the Revoltech joint in the early 00sHow long are you going to keep parroting this lie? How many times are people going to have to explain to you that the McFarlane ankle joint is not a Revoltech joint, and all it has in common is being a sphere?Never mind that Todd still hasn't moved on from the 2000s, hence shit like the Kickstarter Spawn with its retarded pre-posed asymmetrical torso articulation that nobody with more than two brain cells wanted.
>>11883857I had that figure. The legs were a floppy mess, so it could only be posed crouching like it was in the packet. And even then, I had to prop it up so that it wouldn't flop over at the hips. Great looking figure, but such a disappointment in execution.
>>11883877This is why companies moved to ratchets, because joint tightness is so hit or miss on cheap toys
theres an interview with neca employees and they sound extremely out of touch and get their source material from watching movies and looking at pictures, not actually handling props or replicas of what is used, necanon hates it when this is brought up because of how smug they sound when their job is to make children's toys
>>11883913>when their job is to make children's toysThey don't make children's toys. That would require them to pay extra for their products to undergo the safety tests that ensure children don't tear their oesophagus open swallowing a jagged shard of broken plastic. They legally need to label it as an adult collectible for ages 14 and up.
>>11883767>Also I hear some customizers like they still use exposed pins since it's easier to take apart and customize the figures, although that is the only advantage.And durability, a known failing of Japanese nondurable goods.
>>11883877I don't think there's any helping that, because longass limbs and big bulky body will always have standing up problems unless the ratchets are metal cogs that require screws to move to the next tooth, which then leads to a problem of very limited poses.It's a great design because it's so unnatural, because anything natural like that can't exist for good reason.Also, i always found it funny how people hate on Revoltech joints because it limited poses due to the clicks, but it was also pretty easy to get between clicks. So i always chalked that up that bitching to brand wars between the weeaboo brands.>>11883870>gave up on the company around 2002Shit, i gave up on the company before that, because i started to hate preposed shit. I regret it now, because I'm paying 2-10x what they originally cost, because you know what? They're amazing statues. I embrace them for what they are.I also missed out on the Halo line, because "derp it's just mcstatueshit again", but i found out that they're actually amazing figures, despite some poseabiilty being limited by the beautiful sculpts.
>>11884134>but i found out that they're actually amazing figures, despite some poseabiilty being limited by the beautiful sculpts.Ehhhhhh I wouldn't go that far. They're OK by McFarlane standards but the scale is all over the place, the Halo 3 Spartans almost all have exploding pelvises, very few figures can hold their guns convincingly and they really struggle to stand up. Especially the Elites with their shitty rounded foot soles.
>>11883913anon most studios aren't going to lend out props to merchandisers, let alone props that are probably long lost or broken in warehouses.
delusional kaiyodo fanboy thread. just because mess toys stole the spiderman sculpt doesn't magically mean the industry is following in revoltech's footsteps. the 3mm peg shit was first done by model kits. half spheres with pegs joining together as a joint isnt unique to kaiyodo. kaiyodo only made their shit with ratcheting joints and spammed it all over the figures.
>>11884355McFarlane's Halo figures are still unmatched to this day. SOME lines might have better visors, but overall, they're the best looking Spartans out there that aren't expensive statues. MAYBE Playarts can come clsoe, but their pproportions can be pretty shit. Playarts is the only other one that even bothered to give them a decent paint job, because Mattel, 1000toys, and Jazwares half assed them.Speaking of paint, i think Kaiyodo stopped trying to give their toys paint. Up til like 2015, they were still giving their toys weathering when needed, but afterward, it's mostly just shiny glossy plastic so that they can fit in with your average Hasbro or Jazwares figure. Kaiyodo was one of the few Japanese companies who tried to do weathering.
>>11879030Anon Bandai has had a US presence for 50 years now. The problem is, like a lot of Japanese companies, they simply don’t care about the US market. Bandai America basically gets no benefits from being tied to Japan and the Japanese branch takes no steps to help seemlessly bring over Japanese product to the USI wish Bandai America/Japan functioned like Hasbro/TakaraTomy on the TF line and more effort was done to bring Bandai toys to US retail but it was honestly better I the 90’s when Bandai America could at least import Sentai molds, albeit with changes.
>>11884496Kind of hard to get a feel for how well these move. The knife on the shoulder of the one on the left looks laughable, but the one on the right seems to have a worse mask>>11884666Shouldn't Bandai be trying to maximize profit by expanding into anywhere they can?
>>11884668why should japan care about whitey? you flooded their country with opium and expect them to make toys for you? figure it out yourself buddy
>>11884496>McFarlane's Halo figures are still unmatched to this day.Completely false. They're OK-ish as display pieces (if you can keep the stupid fucking things standing) but as actual toys they suck. Poor QC and mediocre articulation, and on top of that they scale with nothing, including themselves. The paint isn't even that special, usually pretty lumpy and poorly applied in my experience.
>>11884672>why should japan care about whitey? you flooded their country with opiumThat...uhh...never happened, did it?
>>11884787It didn't, during the period the British flooded China with Opium Japan was still closed off. That guy's an idiot who doesn't know jack about history
>>11884775>but as actual toys they suckThis disqualifies any Japanese super-articulated figure from being good, as they're all extremely fragile and only suited for posing in a DBZ diorama. Thus, we return to McFarlane as industry standard.
>>11884666>Bandai America basically gets no benefits from being tied to Japan and the Japanese branch takes no steps to help seemlessly bring over Japanese product to the USwtf are you talking about.Bandai of Japan bought fucking Bluefin (are you a newfag who doesn't know who this is?) to make it easier to bring collector products into the US.Bandai of America fought tooth and nail to get shit like Power Rangers and almost killed itself to get Gundam into the US. Bandai of Japan actually nearly killed the anime industry in the west due to setting the precedence of paying broadcasters to show anime, instead of the other way around. So western anime companies started crashing left and right because they could no longer afford to stay in business. Eventually Bandai Entertainment (localized anime in the west) folded up and died, bcause of how unprofitable it was.The problem is that the western audience doesn't really give a shit about japanese stuff. Power Ranger was localized to hell and it's basically dead today. Everything else is.... what?>>11884668I purposely mislabeled that image, but the one on the right is missing a ton of paint apps despite being practically $200. The one on the left is Jazware's $20 figure with painted grenades and it has a working knife holster, unlike the one on the right. Both have a very plastic look to them, unlike McFarlane's weathered, weighty armor.
>>11884934>Bandai of Japan bought fucking Bluefin (are you a newfag who doesn't know who this is?) to make it easier to bring collector products into the US.That's exactly what I mean. Why buy a whole separate company when you have a US division? Why not just bulk up your US branch to be equipped to handle importing or localizing JP figures better? They had already been doing this in the 90's/2000s before Japan mismanaged Gundam in the US and they cut the budget for the PR line so that they started making US original Megazord releases.Bluefin also asked Bandai Japan to make more Power Rangers based SHF releases because they were selling really well, which fell on deaf ears. The America division was absorbed back in 2022 and there really hasn't been any real focus in bringing the JP engineering to retail anymore. >>11884668>Shouldn't Bandai be trying to maximize profit by expanding into anywhere they can?They're trying in some ways, but it's all downstream of what sells in Japan. They're never going to attempt to be what Mattel or Hasbro are. Japanese companies tend to be really conservative and not really angling to go out of their way to cater to other markets.
>>11884787>>11884896>The Big Warning: In the 1840s, Japan watched Britain defeat China in the Opium Wars. Japan saw how recreational opium use and British drug smuggling devastated China's society and government.retard, yt ruins the world
>>11885274>Why buy a whole separate company when you have a US division? Why not just bulk up your US branch to be equipped to handle importing or localizing JP figures better?Holy fucking retard.Do you know how you BULK up your branch, to be equipped to handle importing and localizing Japanese figures better? By buying an ALREADY established company that ALREADY handles importing and localizing Japanese figures. They already have experienced employees, connections with retailers who carried collector goods, a good location for warehousing, and knowhow to handle importing and localizing Japanese products.Making their own separate division would have taken YEARS and they'd have to fill it with inexperienced employees too, so it would takes a years afterward to reach the same level Bluefin was at.Bluefin was a favorite importing company here on /toy/ because they did did a great job. There were even a couple of employees who worked there that posted on /toy/, so they knew what hardcore collectors liked and were obviously also fans of this shit.Also>you suddenly acting like an expertreading reddit posts?If you already got all the answers, you shouldn't have bothered to have made a post to make yourself sound retarded, but i guess that's how retarded you are.So it was like i said, Bandai overestimated the US market (again!) because westerns aren't that into japanese products, hence reshuffling the US branches.I mean, when your shit looks like this, of course westerns are going to reject Bandai's products.>They're never going to attempt to be what Mattel or Hasbro are.quit making retarded statements.They tried real fucking hard, hence trying to get ever green licenses, including using their own shit (gundam, power rangers).
>>11885372>westerns aren't that into japanese productpower rangers, pokemon, naruto, mario, sonic, final fantasy, ninjago, godzilla, drifting, uniqlo, robotech, voltron, stationary, karaoke, pocky
>>11885372>Do you know how you BULK up your branch, to be equipped to handle importing and localizing Japanese figures better? By buying an ALREADY established company that ALREADY handles importing and localizing Japanese figures.BF wasn't really doing what I meant though.Great company and I feel for them for Tamashii Nations basically ignoring their suggestions that would've sold decently. But ultimately it would just be the exact JP products, not tailored for the US market like the 90's/2000's Megazord releases or the 2000's MSIA Gundam toys. Bluefin was set up to import the exact toys, occasionally with different packaging, but still subject to JP prices, safety testing(or lack there of) Bandai America had already been localizing JP Bandai Japan toys since the 80's with Godaikin. The important difference is that localizing allows them to be sold as toys, not just import collectibles. Effectively, what I'm asking is why not just take the SHF sculpts(since everything is digital sculpts now) , cut a few corners where needed, and release them in the US as retail toys. Maybe the quality of the sculpt would take a hit or the joint have to be reworked, but it's a step up. >when your shit looks like this, of course westerns are going to reject Bandai's products.This is a good example, it shows the difference in American collector priorities and JP collectorsBandai would've been better off ditching some elements like the metal in the shins , and focus more on paint, trying to be cheaper even at the expense of articulation/accessories. NECA basically hit a sweet spot for TMNT collectors in that regard.>Bandai overestimated the US market (again!) because westerns aren't that into japanese products, >They tried real fucking hard, hence trying to get ever green licenses, including using their own shitNo, if they did they'd attempt to actually listen to what their US side or partners said more. Gundam is a perfect example of the Japanese side being hard headed.
>>11885372>I mean, when your shit looks like this, of course westerns are going to reject Bandai's products.That seems more like an insult to "westerns" (holy ESL) than Bandai. I'm not into TMNT myself but I know a few people who are and they all consider the SHFs to be THE definitive 80s cartoon Turtles.
>>11885380aside from Pokemon, where's all the evergreen toylines in the US?There's a reason why most of that shit gets licensed for like 2 years before the toy company calls it quits.I guess Toynami keeps making Robotech shit? It's super niche though. 3a's is super niche too, but how long have they had the license? >>11885404>Effectively, what I'm asking is why not just take the SHF sculpts(since everything is digital sculpts now) , cut a few corners where needed, and release them in the US as retail toysThey sorta kinda did? But with Robot Spirits and that Pacific Rim line. Bombed badly. Same shit with Gundam years later.Also, they tried directly releasing DBZ and wrestling SHF figures in toy stores for pretty cheap ($29.99?), which also bombed.Again, it's the western market rejecting their products. Either they're bad or it's not to their taste.>Bandai would've been better off ditching some elements like the metal in the shins , and focus more on paint, trying to be cheaper evendiecast is actually cheaper than plastic to mold.And making them cheaper wouldn't work, hence the toyline still shelf warming even though it was clearanced beyond 50% off.>No, if they did they'd attempt to actually listen to what their US side or partners said more.Nothing you said would have worked out. They literally need better IPs and do a better job at it. Shit like Ben 10 and Teen Titans were great choices and proved popular for years. They need mainstream properties, not niche shit that only weebs would like.>I know a few people who are and they all consider the SHFs to be THE definitive 80s cartoon Turtles.read: these are the only people who liked and bought the SHF TMNT.
>>11885444>where's all the evergreen toylines in the US?oh right I forgot you're the local incel known as subby that doesnt leave their house and talks about cartoons like its a thriving industry when anime won
>>11885317So it never happened. Thanks for confirming.
>>11885482>colonizers aren't realholy chuddie
>>11885483>thinks Japan and China are the same countryI'm sorry you are racist.
>>11885489>he thinks its okay to bring opium to asiansHOLY COLLONSIER
>>11885445>b-b-b-b-but muh seasonal tranime- ACK!kek, nice attempt at a deflection, concession accepted.>>11885483>>11885510Holy YWNBAJ!
>Subjectanon actually believes Japanese media/culture isn't popular in the WestAbsolute delusion.
It's weird scaling through all this nonsense just to see it's one idiot who wasn't to defend greasy unpainted Todd garbage and another whose too bored or too stupid to not engage for days and bandwidth with another idiot
>>11886890i can't understand a thing you said and i can't even guess at what you tried to say
>>11886890Anon, for the love of God, please use punctuation.Also I'm fairly certain that should have used "who's" there.
