Man, it really is kinda amazing how hard Revoltech revolutionized toys when they debuted. They really did make almost everything that came before them feel like a brick in comparison, and the modularity from the universal joint pegs was great too. I know some of the really super early ones were a bit wonky, but I feel some of the older ones still hold up today.
>>11878421If that were true then the Revoltech style articulation would be more common, but nobody else uses it.
>>11878425Not anymore, anyway, but for a fairly substantial period a lot of toys extensively used the "universal joint with 3mm pegs" formula and a fair still do (Polynians for example). Likewise, Figma and their joint system were basically created as a reaction to Revoltech.
>>11878426I'm not saying that Revoltech figures don't kick ass, or that the joints aren't great, but I think you're focusing in on like 5 Japanese toy companies that changed things up and projecting that onto the toy industry as a whole. Like none of the western companies adopted that articulation style, the closest you could argue is maybe McFarlane with their wrist and ankle balls, but that feels like a stretch.
>>11878425Thats because no one knows how to balance articulation and sculpt. And people hated Revoltech's ugly cuts. Only Sexyice and messtoys were able to do it properly so far.
>>11878429IIRC there were some western Transformers toys years ago that used that style of joint and also made improvements by slightly making the shafts thicker at the end.
>>11878429>he closest you could argue is maybe McFarlane with their wrist and ankle balls,McFarlane made the Revoltech joints years before them.Also, one of Kaiyodo's owners, creator of famous manga like Trigun, is a giant Todd McFarlane fan since the early 90s. He wanted to make toys just like Todd, which is probably he invested in Kaiyodo in a first place.
>>11878421>some of the really super early ones were a bit wonkyThose also were just 1900 Yen.
>>11878490No he didn't, stop being retarded.
>>11878498So you're saying that McFarlane invented a time machine, went into the future to steal the Revoltech joint and take it back in time to put them on his Onimusha and Spawn figures years before the Revoltech brand even existed?
>>11878518No, I'm saying those aren't Revoltech joints. McFarlane did not invent spheres.
>>11878421Kaiyodo definitely revolutionized the industry with their pre-revoltech figures that had as much articulation as they could pull off with pins and cut joints. Revoltechs themselves, I’m not sure if I’d agree, the revolver joints proved so unpopular that even revoltechs abandoned them, and the hyper articulation to the detriment of sculpt that they are known for is something most other toylines don’t even consider.
>>11878429>I think you're focusing in on like 5 Japanese toy companies that changed things up and projecting that onto the toy industry as a whole.Those five companies revolutionized Japanese action figures and still have the industry by the balls today.
>>11878766Hm, lets see...Medicom, Bandai, Kaiyodo, Max Factory, those are easy, but the fifth.......Square Enix?!
>>11878837takara i'd imagine if anythingsquare enix ain't shit
>>11878766>still have the industry by the balls today.In asia maybe, the western toy market is still in a complete chokehold by Hasbro and Mattel.
>>11878943Why didn't a company as big as Bandai just get a big western license, start shoveling out candy toys in the US and BTFO Hasbro and Mattel? Too risky I guess
>>11878545that doesn't even make sense.So if Kaiyodo didn't make the Revoltech joint, you're simplifying it so that NOBODY invented it because they're just a sphere? WAT?????Do you frequently make your parents lives hell by throwing objects into drains, fires, or out of moving vehicles, because they told you to it wasn't yours? McFarlane was literally the first toy company who made joints like that.McFarlane was also the first toy company who pushed toy companies to become ultra detailed too. They modernized sculpts, using high pressure injection molding in a way no one else did, because they think it could hold as much detail.McFarlane also made 1:12 the standard, because previously, toys were mostly made in 5" and McFarlane wanted to make his toys stand out by making them larger than everyone else. Both McFarlane and Toy Biz pushed toys into being super articulated too. McFarlane and Toy Biz both were pushing toys to having upwards of 30+ PoA, but McFarlane was crazy random, since they put the joints where they could be hidden, and used a lot of cut joints (just like Revoltechs early on).What McFarlane did, everyone else copied, and including companies in Japan, because Kaiyodo's owner (one of them) admired Todd McFarlane, and was always looking at what he was doing doing and ready to imitate him.
>>11879038Not him but I think the focus is on the wrong aspect for you. Kaiyodo did see what McFarlane has done with painted PVC figures mass produced in cheaper overseas factories, and went hey we could do that too, yes. They shifted their focus from vinyl and resin GKs to something more friendlier to the consumers. Former CEO has said so no denying it. This happened long before Revoltechs. But putting together PVC action figures with whatever joints, I don't think you can really go this started that or who influenced who. Angle cut swivels were Yamaguchi's specialty at Kaiyodo before they even started messing with PVC and I'm not sure he had influence there, interviews sounded like it was from necessity because Kaiyodo at the time only liked statues. And it's not like McFarlane made their figures with shared set of joints for years and years that allows you to swap body parts. That's where Revolver Joints concept really came from, for the line Assemble Borgs. Ratchets were to hold up the bigger builds one might make the more they bought and combined. Revoltech was the offshoot originally. And are you still thinking Nightow is part of Kaiyodo somehow? I think I corrected you a few times over the years, you don't seem to take in new information well. He's a mangaka and a hobbyist. He's very much independent who brought the concept of the joint and Assemble Borg to Kaiyodo for some type of partnership, no details on who owns what exactly but neither matter anymore Kaiyodo doesn't use either of them now.
>>11879030There isn't really an established market for that kind of stuff. It could be done theoretically given that Gacha are basically just blind-boxes, but you'd need to convince retailers. It doesn't help that most children's toys are now focused on disposable flavour of the month stuff like Labubu or those squishy toy things, which have always been a component, but now they seem to be the focus.
>>11879067it wasn't PVC back then. McFarlane was using hard plastics for most of the 90s, just like other toy companies were using, because that's what the factories used. They switched back and forth in the 00s.>Angle cut swivelsAlso was McFarlane's specialty too, since these were easily hidden or barely noticeable. Lots of companies used swivels and cuts for decades (because they're cheap), so neither company was all that innovative with that.> Assemble Borgs.So you're saying, without McFarlane creating the revoltech joint, it wouldn't be possible to make a Microman knockoff line?And yes, Nightow is part of Kaiyodo, since he's sharing alll his ideas and designs with them. You don't do that without having part ownership into a company. The guy has a ton of money and obviously wanted to get into the toy business, just like his hero.How much of an owner of Kaiyodo is he? Who knows, it all depends on how much he invested into the company. Toy companies don't go from making fan kits and statueshit and then go into making action figures without a large amount of money. It's a very big leap that almost never happens (at least pre-kickstarter).
>>11879091Huh? No the Microman inspired Assemble Borg line is pretty much independent of Mcfarlane. Joints are joints they exist everywhere long before you can't really force a connection there. Not sure why one type of jointing gets a pass but the other must be an invention of McFarlane. Nightow isn't part of Kaiyodo ever. His partnership has a buffer Toy Tribe. You're talking stocks, who cares and who really knows. I'm talking employment, position, stuff like that which he's not at all any part of.
>>11879094>Not sure why one type of jointing gets a pass but the other must be an invention of McFarlane.Because no one knows who invented the swivel or cut joint. Same with the ball-hinged joint. Who can you praise for that? The Revoltech (that Mcfarlane created) joint was a huge innovation and a ton of people like seeing it used, because of the poseability it can offer.People and companies deserve praise, hence OP creating this thread despite McFarlane actually deserving most of it, because toys looked like PIC before his innovations.Some sorryasses like to downplay these innovations, saying if so and so didn't do it, someone else would, but mankind has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. For 490,000 of those years, nothing of value was made. Something as simple as the wheel wasn't invented until fucking 4000BC. Mankind needs innovators or else we'd have gone 500,000 more years living in mudhuts and dying from the common cold.>You're talking stocksthere is no stock, because it's a private company. Which also means whatever Nightow invested into the company makes him a much larger voice, hence his involvement with the company is when Kaiyodo started doing the shit that /toy/ likes. No one here cares about what Kaiyodo did before he got involved.
>>11879110If it wasn't that then the way you write makes it sound like Nightow is some kind of board member at Kaiyodo who single-handedly changed the company forever. It was a not-so-long partnership with his brand that I doubt he had to put up any funds into, probably little more than simple licensing + contract work pay for the newer designs. That doesn't equate to a member of Kaiyodo. It's like how Takeya isn't a member of Kaiyodo. Personal friend definitely.The way you picture how it went doesn't really go with how both Assemble Borgs and Revolver Joints ended if he had any sort of voice. He seemed like he wanted AB to continue posting some new designs on Twitter. There were many unreleased ones we saw prototypes as well. That just seems like Kaiyodo ending something that didn't sell as in they had full say. Same for his actual manga becoming figures after a certain point. A larger voice you'd think there would be more. No they were just another set of IPs they did or didn't do based on appropriate demand.
>>11879156>Nightow is some kind of board member at Kaiyodo who single-handedly changed the company forever.didn't he?Here's the type of shit that Kaiyodo was making before Nightow was raving about McFarlane.>probably little more than simple licensing + contract work pay for the newer designsI sincerely doubt this, because you don't go from making shit like this to fully articulated action figures. They need a lot of funds that a model makers don't have. Again, there's a reason why so many statueshit toy and model companies rarely ever make the jump.Nevermind the Revoltech joint being used for years and years without anything that visibly involved Nightow. Revoltech was extremely iconic and connected with Kaiyodo. It goes beyond a simple patent or licensing fee, especially given how Nightow constantly appears with people from Kaiyodo.
>>11879175You make it sound like only Nightow knew Mcfarlane existed in Japan. People in the industry knew. Copying their success wasn't that unique of an idea. >given how Nightow constantly appears with people from Kaiyodo.Yeah, because they're friends. Do you understand friends? People who like figures being friends such a confusing concept. I get that your just speculating so maybe try not stating them like facts. As for value to Kaiyodo, the mini figures that were inside Choco Egg were far more valuable, they paid for their corporate building. CEO keeps saying nothing came close to making that amount of money. That started late 90's maybe that was enough for a startup, maybe WonFes in the 90's were quite profitable. Companies like Xebec probably paid for a good portion. But a so-so successful mangaka having that big of a financial input then seems less likely in my book sorry.
>>11879185>Yeah, because they're friends. Do you understand friends?No one gives anything away for free, especially when they're a business.Again, Revoltech was Kaiyodo's iconic brand for well over a decade and there's no mention of Nightow in any of the fine print. Everything ©®™ is plastered with Kaiyodo's name, labels and addresses, instead of Nightow.And Nightow isn't some Kaiyodo employee nor credited as such, so he's not some work for hire. What he is is a well known author for popular animes and mangas, so know he's rich without being told he's rich. Yes, I'm speculating, but to think otherwise is pretty stupid.So when you see Nightow suddenly involving himself with Kaiyodo, speaking on their behalf, announcing products on their behalf, sharing his ideas and designs without any credit like other employees, guess what?Nightow IS part of Kaiyodo, so when you see those trademarks, copyrights, etc,since Nightow is an owner of KAiyodo, he actually is being credited when you see the Kaiyodo name, logos, labels, and addresses.Again it stands to reason that Kaiyodo suddenly got the money to produce expensive action figures like pic due to Nightow being a rich creator who wanted to invest in a toy company, so he can be like the man he admires.Also, note the Mcstatue posing on this toy. This is something McFarlane was famous for and everyone copiedAlso also, KAiyodo really didn't become well known until they made those horrible gorilla EVA figures from the 90s. So you're skipping a few steps in how they would get their money just through hard work. Where'd they get the money to even license Evangelion, muchless produce an action figure of it?Also also also, it's a given that Nightow wasn't the only one that was into McFarlane. The manga page i posted says as much.
>>11879038>So if Kaiyodo didn't make the Revoltech joint, you're simplifying it so that NOBODY invented it because they're just a sphere? WAT?????The only thing that McFarlane figure's ankle has in common with a Revoltech joint is being a sphere.Revoltech joints are specifically ratchet joints in varying sizes with a 3mm peg at either end. Hell, the actual design for the Revoltech joint has changed a lot over the years (early ones had each half slotted into each other and secured with a plastic pin, then they moved to a sturdier and simpler two-part assembly).So unless McFarlane was using ratcheted modular joints with 3mm pegs that were used throughout a figure's construction before Kaiyodo, you're full of shit.
>>11879191No one said free. There's his group Toy Tribe and I'm assuming a percentage went to him while Revolver Joints were used. But who knows it might have been a large sum at the start only, or here's a shocker, he did give Kaiyodo a great deal for the idea BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDS. You can promote something just because you like their products without having some investment in them. I think having action figures of your manga made by them is all it takes for that but that must be only me huh? I don't understand your whole view on credit and such. His involvement was well promoted about the Revolver Joints when it started, AB was clearly his baby with the Toy Tribe brand, no need to mention figures of his manga....Your speculations of events seems far-fetched and placing too much significance in one mangaka for the finance. Kaiyodo was already around for a good 30 years they were getting noticed for their crafts and involvement with WF, I think they could get their investors the old fashion ways. Xebec sharing the loads can explain the licensing. It's tricky I agree to know what type of deal they had for the joints. other companies clearly had to go to Kaiyodo to use them like what happened with VulcanLogs so they clearly own them. But clearly didn't prevent Nightow to share he's the originator for the joints, co-produce, call it whatever. When you're actually Kaiyodo company men THEY DO mention involvement, at least the artistic aspect like designer and sculptor. I think the Toy Tribe partnership made that behave differently and/or they had a unique deal for the joints. For example producing the AB line itself could be the tradeoff deal.
>>11879191>So you're skipping a few steps in how they would get their moneyI'm not. Kaiyodo became well known (in Japan at least where it matters) because of Choco Egg in late 90's. Those Yamaguchi Evangelion figures came later in early 2000's. The timeline isn't that off. They were making lots of cash fast and then all these painted and assembled PVC action figures started being produced. Looks like simple math to me.
>>11879258>No one said free.>here's a shocker, he did give Kaiyodo a great deal for the idea BECAUSE THEY'RE FRIENDSThat's exactly why i had to say that nobody gives shit away for free (at least, nobody with any sense of business) because there's a lot of dumb people who think shit like this. Since Nightow isn't a pauper or in jail (see former Gaianx people), he knows what he's doing.>Kaiyodo was already around for a good 30 years ... and suddenly get a ton of money out of nowhere, from releasing shitty kits to full action figures in a couple of years? I mean, yeah, if they got their investors the old fashion ways, which is friends and family: their best friend Nightow got famous inbetween those years.. Your post is a ton of reaching. I'm not going to go through every little specific detail, but Nightow is clearly involved with Kaiyodo beyond just being friends and you're trying to discount everything that Nightow does with conjecture without any actual links. The very fact that Kaiyodo has the Revoltech rights, despite Nightow being credited with its creation, proves Nightow has ownership in Kaiyodo. Again, if Nightow were just an employee or work for hired, he'd be credited like Yamaguchi would be. Employers generally aren't credited, even though they sometimes put ideas out for movies, books, games, etc.BTW, here's the full comic.Note how Nightow talks about being a exec for a hobby company, years before Toy Tribe even existed. this comic was made before Nightow and McFarlane worked together, which would have been before 1998, since it takes so long to make a toy and the fact that McFarlane has referenced 1998 as the year they got the license. Based on the toys he drew, it's probably 1995 (MF rerelease came out and Violator monster truck was the year before).
>>11879276>money out of nowhereNot sure why you keep ignoring Choco Egg...oh because it brakes your theory right. Nightow being some sort of secret Illuminati council member of Kaiyodo isn't reaching? Sheesh. Is that exec thing you're implying is Kaiyodo? Something that has no record of anywhere. Okay. What I've said are not hard info to find unlike your speculations. Again. he's not completely uncredited. partnership with Toy Tribe and AB being his designs are no secret. The only thing you say that's true is yeah him or TT isn't credited every single time the joints are used (at least AFAIK don't have any boxes old enough with me). But they are joints, how far do they really need to go on the box? They don't credit who designed the boxes. The Kaiyodo deal with TT could simply be they don't have to for whatever benefit he gets out of it (like I don't know regarding AB perhaps? ) None of this has to mean he must have part ownership of the company. Big if if he did I doubt it survived the recent MSD buyout anyway. None of these are used by Kaiyodo now.
>>11879281oops breaks
>>11879281>Nightow being some sort of secret Illuminati council member of Kaiyodo isn't reaching? Sheesh. Is that exec thing you're implying is Kaiyodo? Something that has no record of anywhere.So you're calling him a liar, despite all evidence pointing toward him being an owner of Kaiyodo? And for all we know, his name is on the Kaiyodo building directory. I don't live in Japan or even read Japanese, so i can't even search japanese websites. I mean, shit, do you even know any of the execs at Mattel or Hasbro besides maybe their CEO? I don't and i can read English.What i do know is that Nightow directly named himself a exec for a hobby (before KAiyodo started making action figures? it lines up with Kaiyodo's history) company before he started Toy Tribe and the fact that he's been hanging around top Kaiyodo people since the 90s. And as soon as he actually got famous/rich, somehow Kaiyodo started making toys in the same style as McFarlane Toys, which is owned by Nightow's hero: Todd McFarlane.>he's not completely uncreditedI'm talking about official credits. Not them presenting him at interviews, shows, or magazines. Yamaguchi or Enoki or Katsuo or etc get billed somewhere on the box of the toy that they made.>ignoring Choco EggI can't respond to everything, especially when figures like >>11879191 came out before they would possibly have the money it, so you're still skipping a step or three to get to the point where they had money to make more than model kits that they could have made out of their garage.
didn’t everyone hate revolver joints
>>11879319Your ignorance and not knowing Japanese is suppose to support your claim? Great. Does that even matter now? Google translation has been really good with Japanese the last couple of years. What evidence?? it's all speculations from you. A happened around B so it must be that not C, D, E,.... At least mine involves companies with names and well documented events. All that comes up about Nightow and Kaiyodo is their partnership developments with Toy Tribe which is his group. Lots of "co"-something somethings. That's Kyodo blah blah in Japanese. The fact they need to specify that everytime tells me he's in the out, not in the in. He's an outsider not insider like owning the fucking Company. Yes you can look up execs. I see 4 names current and 2 names past (founder and his son). 渡邊 経康, 大寺 正高, 安田 浩, 荒井 隆次, 宮脇 修, 宮脇 修一 none are Nightow 内藤.I'm not sure how this is not getting to you, you can't ignore the largest sum of money the company has ever made, making the figures for the Choco Egg. It fucking created the term Otona Gai. If it was unclear, surely the candy company would have paid for them to start. There's no skipping anything. They got a deal with a candy company, it made crazy money, Kaiyodo started making more completed PVC action figures soon after that people are familiar with. It's that simple. >>11879191 this before all that you can still explain with Xebec partnership which continued for a lot of their early figures. Kaiyodo hardly produced anything on their own for PVC figures. It started to only until recently after MSD started paying for everything so hard to say they are even now. AND NONE OF THIS EXPLAINS WHY IT HAS TO BE A SECRET! Kaiyodo would promote the hell out of that, they drag around Bome to this dayYour fantasy not being true seem like the only option. I doubt Nightow is lying but that you're not understanding what he's talking about.
>>11879349That's how I remember it too. >>11878421I don't think what Revoltech revolutionized was through their joints. What truly made them stands out was their IP selection. Japanese toy brands hardly did anything outside certain IPs. Kamen Rider had an action figure line, Gundam had theirs, etc. You get a few offshoots, some were called exactly that, but nothing too crazy. Kaiyodo was like that too, having dedicated lines for Hokuto no Ken, Eva, Virtual-ON etc. Revoltech started with a promise that every month they would release something that's human, super robot or real robot. They shown that starting the line with Dante, Dougram and New Getter 1, one of each. Only line that did something similar before was Microman with DC, SF, Eva, Devilman...but obviously limited by using their human body bucks. People bought Revoltechs because most of them were the only decent option for that IP. Mecha had decent selection for plastic models because of the Gunpla Boom. Revoltech acted much like that but for the random IP action figures like figma that followed. They started exploring many genres that others later copied. That's my two cents on the topic.
>>11879353>referring to some guy as co-something in relation to their company is meaningless>his partnership with the company means he's an outsider>and lemme just ignore the part where he calls himself an exec at the only company he's been associated with for over 30 yearsooof, your mental gymnastics needs workAlso, looking up the names you linked to brings up the company page, which wouldn't list any owners, just the CEO and business types.Nightow seems to be an investor who got in because he just wants to make toys, not doing the day to day business like the people listed here https://kaiyodo-co-jp.translate.goog/company/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp>you can't ignore the largest sum of money the company has ever madeWhat does this matter if it was made AFTER they started making action figures. The biggest hurdle for a company who was only making model kits came BEFORE it.And again, it coincidentally comes when Nightow comes across a large some of cash and also coincidently makes all of Kaiyodo's toys look like they were made by McFarlane Toys.
>>11879372Just keep ignoring all the actual business partners at the time and pretend Kaiyodo was paying everything themselves. How a company familiar with McFarlane wouldn't try without having some mangaka chip in (I'm sure he did buying their GK lol) Or how most of the good stuff came after one of those partnership made huge bucks that they had extra funds to make a new building. And a company wouldn't promote that a celebrity is directly tied to their company and keep it out of the public for a mysterious reason. That sounds sane, no gymnastics there. As for owners all I see is that the stocks belonged to the previous execs, "People around the founding family" with father and son only being the two named. Now they all belong to the investor group MSD. If your fantasy brain wants to squeeze in Nightow to people associated with Miyawaki family then I can't stop you. Or the banks took it from the founder family but still kept Nightow in? Secretly? If you would just call him "partner" and not owner like every source I find keeps saying I wouldn't be on this for this long. Hate to confuse anons. > 漫画家内藤泰弘氏が主催するトイトライブ原案の、フィギュアオリジナルワールド「アッセンブルボーグ」シリーズ展開開始。For 2008 they bothered to mention him as Toy Tribe, seems like a weird distinction for a owner.
>>11879276>>11879372>>11879319Holy crap. this is priceless. I had to track down the original Japanese text for these pages because I fucking don't trust translators (he even says he has no idea what he's talking about!!). I'm not that big of a fan of Trigun so wasn't too familiar with the originals here. I like BBB moreHE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING A COMPANY EXECUTIVE AT ALL!!!! the line is >実はアメリカのおもちゃを集めるハイソかつエグゼクティブな趣味人な顔を持っているんですねWhich is him saying he has a high society and executive like hobby of collecting American toys. Nothing to do with companies. He's using the word Executive as "someone like an executive", same idea as high-society. The one rope you were standing on wasn't even true. Chew on that subby.
>>11878421Revoltech still mogs Snail Shell and other cooler figs today by doing something truly daring and revolutionary: actual nipples and other anatomically accurate bits on their pieces. Cattleya is still the undisputed queen of coomer figs, standing firm and strong even in the face of other contenders. Snail Shell's Mao-watched and CCP-cucked figs can't even raise a candle to her legacy. Of Revoltech.
>>11879388>i don't understand how business worksJust so you know, I'm part owner of a company and i call the other owner my partner. IT's very common term when there's multiple owners, retard.Someone can own a share of any company and be considered an owner, sorta like how Good Smile Company owned(owns?) part of 4chan and this isn't written anywhere publically except in some news article.Again, someone doesn't need to have a position in the company to be an owner, investors are a dime a trillion, even in the private sector.>That sounds saneuuuhhh... it's very common, hence "journalists" constantly needing to dig that info up themselves to sensationalize it (see gsc owning 4chan). google "secret owners" and "companies owned by celebrities" to find a billion tabloid trash articles>ib4 b-b-but there's companies named and/or endorsed by the celebrityand there's lots of other ones that arent>>11879396>i don't trust human translators. i only trust AI translatorsYou're super retarded.And let's pretend that Nightow was never an owner, so this means that someone else at Kaiyodo who was a giant McFarlane Toys fan and copied all of MCFarlane's innovations. So there were two giant fanboys at Kaiyodo who pushed the company to copy everything McFarlane Toys was doing.... badly, like pic. Their early figures were awful. Very Mattel-like in terms of sculpt.And yes, even if Nightow never bought any part of Kaiyodo, he still played a major part in the company, since he copied McFarlane's joint and made the REvoltech the more iconic part of the company for over a decade.
>>11879417>i don't trust human translators. i only trust AI translatorsNo I don't trust either. You still can't tell I know Japanese? geez. Hey what's one more fact you choose to ignore. Keep being ignorant. I found all the relevant information for what I'm saying it's all out there. The one thing that didn't make sense was that Trigun panel and it turns out to be bad translation so I'm happy with that. There were others at Kaiyodo being aware of what McFarlane is doing? YES why is that hard to believe. Early ones weren't great? First attempts not being perfect what a surprise. Why does that even matter? They got better as they did more oh that must be only because of one mangaka. I just think everything you think he did was through Toy Tribe which is a separate entity (and no records of that owning any part of Kaiyodo) that he is well documented for. Those figures still had bigger companies like Xebec being involved for the finances. I'm sure Nightow made sure his figures looked the best they could being the IP holder. Still doesn't mean he was part of the company or that the actual people there had nothing to do with what they made. Nothing really supports people outside the founder family had shares either until 2020.
>>11879448> You still can't tell I know Japanese?Why are you so bad at pretending? Everything in your posts translated exactly how Google Translate translated it, which is hilarious, given how bad AI translation is. BTW, i took three semesters of Japanese in college, am terrible at it still, but i know enough that Google Translate is still shit, since my nephew has asked me for help in his Japanese courses.>Nothing really supportsBecause you looked through some ABOUT page on a toy company's website? lol, dude.You're acting like you're some top notch journalist with a dozen sources in Japan, when all you're doing is using google and Google Translate in 2026, when 3/4ths of the internet has been completely wiped out and just finding images of old toys is harder than it was just two years ago.But hey, please continue to ignore that there's just too many coincidences about Nightow and KAiyodo, and that you totally know Japanese, despite everything you say exactly coming from Google Translate, because you want to downplay Nightow's role at Kaiyodo.I originally thought you were downplaying Nightow's role, because you also wanted to downplay McFarlane's influence on Kaiyodo, but apparently you just really hate Nightow, because why else would you be pretending to know Japanese and not understand what a partner is?pic of the type of shit KAiyodo was making before they started imiating McFarlane.
>>11879398>Snail Shell's Mao-watched and CCP-cucked figs can't even raise a candle to her legacy. Of Revoltech.Kek, that one got me.
>>11879475Believe what you want. Hey AI translating has come a long way they aren't completely off anymore. I've been impressed with it lately and no what they gave me for that translation wasn't dead on nor was I giving the perfect one-to-one, just the important part of what he wrote there which was unrelated to what you thought it was. That's not hard to fuck up. But picking up Haiso as short of high society you must admit that's coming a long way. Video translation on youtube is still strange though the few times I have to go turn that shit off while it's playing. Also not so much about his role then but this ridiculous claim of yours over ownership. Just the strangest hill you won't budge off of. Which I think it's mainly from that one panel but now you should know is wrong. I might take it as compliment you believe I'm not any bit Japanese. My English must be good enough for that. Now go mock me there as well. I will just look forward to the future when I see you post the same page saying the same wrong information thinking whoa what a lazy bastard can't even be bothered to check a page in a book (I hope official one isn't as badly translated.) Or go look at the original try out that 3 semesters knowledge.
>>11879475And it's so fascinating and telling of your character that you went with "he must be going through the trouble of pretending to know Japanese for whatever reason" over "oh Google AI must be getting better" when you personally don't have the means to confirm them.
>>11879493He likes to sperg out about AI despite the fact that he uses AI detectors to try to claim anons here compose their posts with AI. The very same AI detectors that are built from an AI. The ones that flag classics such as Pride and Prejudice or Master and Commander as being AI generated content.Always remember that every accusation he makes is projection, and an admission of guilt.
>>11879516That's a newer thing I'm unfamiliar with because I haven't come across him for a time. I still don't completely understand what that means lol (to edit with?)I'm just happy this gave me the reason to look into that manga pages he likes to use. The part that was his strongest card was complete bullshit lol. That felt pretty good.
>>11879417Oh I just noticed you seem to be confusing what I wrote about partnership. I'm not seeing "Nightow is a partner of..." phrases like that. They're all 共同開発、共同企画 Kyodo as in co-developing, co-project with Nightow's, Toy Tribe. Hence not to do with ownership like a partner of a law firm. I think that was the last misaligned views, at least for me.
>>11879516>He likes to sperg out about AI despite the fact that he uses AI detectors to try to claim anons here compose their posts with AI. The very same AI detectors that are built from an AI. The ones that flag classics such as Pride and Prejudice or Master and Commander as being AI generated content.That's really interesting. I guess Pride and Prejudice influenced language enough that it shows up in a lot of AI training, so AI reads it as "sounding like AI." Fascinating stuff.
>>11879038Does it sadden you to see that McFarlane Toys no longer tries to continually innovate in a way that benefits customers like they once did in the 90s and 00s, and just kind of coasts on the name McFarlane?
>this fucking conversation againOh boy
Didn't read too much into this huge convo but I do recall Nightow is a huge westaboo and loves western culture as one can see in his manga itself. He definitely licensed out Trigun to McFarlane to make some figures of the characters as I recall their releases. That comic panel of him swooning over Spawn toys is definitely real.
