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>>2876355
idk why but photos of china from 2000 to 2017 are incredibly comfy

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>>2876358
What's your guys' favorite media to watch and read to practice chinese?

This woman's yt channel is quite good, although a lil sleepy. She always includes Chinese, PinYin and English subs.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VC9ADwNHwVE

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Can anyone recommend a good 天安門一九八九年 tour?

>>2876359
So cute how Chinese always put emphasis on the wrong syllable in the name Nicole

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>>2876363
Are you also learning chinese? If so, what level are you at?

I know most of the words Nicole uses, but need to slow the video down to 0.65x to process it.
Words like wu and anything starting with y are spoken very briefly and softly, making them difficult to notice.

>>2876484
I am fluent after 8 years of living in China. I haven't sought out learning-specific content in ages so can't help with your original question but maybe can be helpful with general Chinese/China questions if you have them

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>>2876530
Sure, I have some random questions. You can answer what you want.

>What's your favorite thing about living there?
>Do you have a favorite year in China? What made it the best?
>What's your favorite spot?
>Have foreign losers in China made life more difficult for you? I've heard stories about English teachers "napping" with kindergarten children, criminals fleeing convictions in their countries of origin, temperamental alcoholics, spineless dorks, wall street and ex-military larpers - many sordid characters. Perhaps these crude travelers and expats have made their way into the Chinese subconscious, making them more skeptical of your character? Or are people largely impartial to you?
>Do you have many expat friends? If so, what do ya'll do together?

Thank you

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this is what 200+ AQI looks like from the air

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Tekes 八卦 city in Ili, taken on a flight between Yarkent and Ili, July 2025
sadly northern XJ is boring unless you can drive

How much better would traveling china be with a chill friend vs solo?

>>2876559
>Affordable first world modern living without any of the downsides experienced by locals
>Pre covid was more fun but I was also younger
>Chengdu or Dongbei, generally
>People are mostly indifferent to you. Of the weird variety of characters you invented/listed, only temperamental alcoholics are actually common. It depends on city but eg Shanghai expats are mostly high functioning professional Europeans/Americans or college age slavs so the usual stereotypes dont really apply
>Yes. We play cards and drink. Some guys more active than I play in pickup sports leagues

>>2876723
Its pretty trippy going alone as I felt the most foreign in China compared to any other country I have been.
At least go alone once unless you got a really good friend that doesn't complain at all.

>>2876747
That would be trippy... Were locals nice to you even though you were alone?

Shenzhen, and then it's time to gorge on hotpot

>>2876757
Fuckin rights

I kind of want to visit China but seeing how the internet is censored and having to use alipay or whatever it is to pay for everything kind of puts me off of it.

>>2876755
I am considered handsome so I've had nothing but positive experiences with locals.
So it varies on each person on skin color, attractiveness, and race.
Always try to looksmaxx before traveling though, makes travel much more fun when you look clean and presentable.
>>2876760
You can get a VPN on your phone to avoid this problem. Just don't watch porn, you'll get in trouble.

>>2876766
porn ban is only enforced if you distribute, they don't care about consumption

>>2876723
it is better to go with a friend because you get to try more food

>>2876766
i watched porn in china lol you're fine you think the goon squad is gonna raid your hotel room because you're trying to spank one out ?

>>2876760
it's a bit difficult at first to understand how it works, but once you get it it's so useful, wish we had alipay here

Comfy thread so far

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>>2876917
China thread has always been comfy

Province tier list (only ones I've visited)
S: Xinjiang, Yunnan, Beijing
A: Henan, Shandong, Sichuan
B: Shanghai, Hebei, Heilongjiang, Shanxi, Shaanxi
C: Ningxia, Liaoning, Inner Mongolia
D: Tianjin

>>2876958
What did the S tiers have that B tiers and below did not?

>>2876958
Think you probably fucked up Liaoning for it to be below Hebei. But otherwise good list and dead-on for Tianjin which is bottom tier always imo

>>2876964
NTA but I'd guess
>Nature, nature, history

>>2876965
Hebei is overhated imo, Zhangjiakou and Chengde are really fun and the south has the Taihang mountains and lots of historical stuff. Shijiazhuang is inoffensive and the capital of Chinese rock music.
I did only spend a few days in Shenyang, but it was the only place in China I ever got food poisoning and the city was boring anyway.

>>2876964
S tiers are the provinces that I really want to go back to (instead of going somewhere new)
>Xinjiang
personal autistic interest, amazing nature unlike anything else in China, great food, unique culture
I would want to go back for a roadtrip along the desert in the south, visit Aqsu and Korla, maybe go around the mountains near the Kyrgyz border
>Yunnan
massive and super diverse, also good food, great weather in winter when the north becomes a depressing smoghole, SEA-adjacent relaxed way of life and general good atmosphere
I would like to visit Lincang and Zhaotong plus go hiking in the mountains (didnt last time because gf didnt want to)
>Beijing
best city in China, I lived there for an entire year and was discovering new things every single month
everything you could ever want

>>2876970
Agreed Shenyang sucks. But I am a big fan of Dalian and Dandong

>>2876972
My Korean friends liked Dalian and I have a friend there, maybe I should visit when I go back in May... but flights are 600 yuan

Anyone in Lijiang? I've run out of things to do. And I'm not doing another long day trip

>>2876359
I like her very much. Obviously lazychinese and xiaogua are GOATED for the quality of their content. And sometimes I have weird fantasies about Shuoshuo Chinese cheating on her boyfriend with me, although I don't find her attractive.
Jovane PJY is hard to understand, but it's also hard to stop watching her vids so it's good exposure.

>>2876970
>Beijing
I'm gonna have to ask for some more elaboration on this one, because I didn't quite enjoy it myself. Are you thinking about attractions or the city itself? It was so spread out, and maximum security to rate it higher than the other cities I visited during my stay there.

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What's with the sudden uptick of lonely workaholic/unemployed age 30+ Chinese losers uploading their daily lives to YouTube?

>>2877263
>attractions or city itself
attractions are obviously top tier, and the inner city is very interesting and relaxing. Obviously once you get outside the 3rd ring road it gets a bit more boring but as a tourist you have little reason to go to a residential area there.
>spread out
but there is so much to do in each place that you can spend an entire day there
you can't rush Beijing, I see people leaving only 2 or 3 days for it in itineraries, and that is not enough
if you want to do/see the main things you need at least 4 days, or just accept you will barely see anything
>security
only in the area around Tiananmen square

>>2877495
they are all copying the guy in your screenshot who made it big
I think this is a reaction to the "fake socialites/strivers" on the Chinese internet who just make shit up and boast about how amazing they are all the time

Going for a 2 week trip at the beginning of june - what should i expect weather wise?

Current plans:
Shanghai 4 nights Hotel is booked in Hongkou
Qingdao 3 nights
Beijing 6 nights

Is Qingdao worth it? Its pretty convenient as its right between shanghai and beijing. Are there a lot of indians? Do all the non smoker rooms really smell like somebody smoked a 20 pack right before we enter?

>>2877555
>are there a lot of indians
3 words. bullbar. darkness. accident.

>>2877555
You should expect hot. Qingdao will be the most pleasant weather of the three. It's not really meaningfully in between Shanghai and Beijing at all because its off to the side, doesn't run on the train line that connects the two, and doesn't have great ticket supply on short notice. Of course if you're flying they're all 50 minute flights so who cares. It is worth the trip, one of the best 2nd tier cities in China. Hongkou is not a great spot for hotel but not the worst either. Not a lot of Indians at all. Smoke smell is very hotel dependent.

>>2877555
Qingdao you might find boring because it's not very "Chinese". It's got nice scenery but all the cultural stuff is western. You might enjoy Luoyang more if you want something that is very Chinese
Otherwise looks good
>Non smoker rooms
Only in the cheapest hotels. Most good hotels don't smell of smoke. And if they do you can always ask to switch the room.
>Indians
China is probably the last country in East Asia, barring North Korea, that is free from the Indian tourist invasion. I stayed there for a year and saw less than 30 Indians, and probably less than 10 Indian tourists (most of them were working in restaurants or were businessmen).
You will see the occasional Arab, Brazilian, or Israeli, but they are not frequent enough to cause annoyance.

>>2877563
I don't know how you could say all the cultural stuff in Qingdao is western, it is a solidly, solidly Chinese city unless you just mean there is a "historic city center" which was German colony and has preserved buildings

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>>2877567
the top 10 cultural attractions in Qingdao:
>Badaguan area (western style houses)
>Qingdao aquarium (nature)
>Xiaoyu mountain (nature)
>the pier (western style)
>May 4th plaza (western style skyscrapers)
>PLA navy museum (western technology)
>Tsingtao beer museum (western)
>Olympic park (western)
>Telegraph hill (where the western telegraph station and protestant church is)
>that big Catholic church (western)

none of those are Chinese culture, there are no big temples, old city, no buildings from before the German colonial period
When I look at my photos from Qingdao it does not look like a Chinese city lol
it's a nice city and this is not a put-down, I loved going somewhere that didn't feel like a generic Chinese city, but as a western tourist not an expat it is not worth visiting when you have cities such as Luoyang and Xi'an which are actually Chinese

>>2877574
>May 4th plaza (western style skyscrapers)
that a little silly. but anyway. yes if you are a tourist specifically seeking Chinese historical tourist sites it would rank lower, sure, although even then arguable because of the strong natural tourist sites. But if you are a lindy walker, casually enjoying atmosphere + food etc, it is very pretty, walkable, great weather and food, so for me it ranks very highly

>>2877502
I'll admit that Beijing was the last place on our three week itinerary, and we only stayed for three nights. We were just really tired. Luckily, PEK is only a 10 hours flight away, so I'll get to give it another chance.

I haven't been to China since 2018 and we only really stayed in Beijing for family. Japan fever went hard and it was our go-to during the 2020s. How have things changed?

>>2877950
speaking from my experiences visiting in 2017 then living in Beijing 2024-25
>cash is almost never seen if not useless. all QR code payments now
>much less pollution but still some bad days
>messy piles of rideshare bikes now actually organised in rows
>no more street food or stalls in Shanghai and Beijing city centres
>QR code ordering in all restaurants, no more talking to waiters
>tourist sites seem more crowded, despite there being less foreigners
>less construction sites

>>2877495
It's been a thing with Japanese "salarymen" for a long time. Now that AI can translate your script and dub it for you, literally anyone can do it.
I actually enjoy watching that guy's videos, I wish there was a chinese audio track so I could practice listening.

>>2877969
>QR code ordering in all restaurants, no more talking to waiters
God I hope you're right, because I still see videos of people ordering food through a real waiter. I am just barely autistic enough to bungle a conversation in real life, but not nearly autistic enough to properly learn Mandarin. Every China video of Hugh Abroad is just him going "Nihao, duo shao chen, igga" and it's painful to watch.

>>2877996
maybe not every single restaurant, but most good ones that aren't just a hole in the wall will have QR ordering
every restaurant in malls will have it at least

>>2878064
I lived in guiyang and chengdu for three months and literally never ate at a single qr code restaurant. one fast food place i walked into was like that but i noped the fuck out

>>2876745
>>Chengdu or Dongbei, generally
are u a faggot?

>>2878077
Chengdu for when he wants to top and Dongbei for when he wants to get topped

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Am likely visiting China sometime in the next few months. What's the international roaming or VPN situation looking like now?

>>2878511
hong kong/macau esim is simplest and most reliable

>>2878077
Dongbei doesn't have a reputation for homos does it? Anyway no I like Chengdu for food and WOMEN

>>2878537
Anon, it literally has "Dong" in its name.

>>2878511
if you have an iphone or are only staying for a few days then esim is best
if you have android or are planning to be there for longer then Chinese sim + vpn with split tunnelling is cheaper, will give you more data, and let you use wifi
most western VPNs do not work in China, despite saying they will. the three ones I know are reliable from personal use/friends using them are:
>mullvad (best)
>astrill (very expensive)
>letsVPN (unreliable)
I used mullvad for a year and never had any problems
if you have an iphone using a VPN is much more aids because you don't have split tunnelling so you have to turn it on and off like 50 times a day to use Chinese apps (wechat and alipay will block your account if they think you are using a vpn, because they think you are a scammer)

>>2878597
Foreign android works in China? I was on graphene os and it was a complete shitshow. I had to buy a chinese iphone

>>2878613
meme OSes naturally will have problems but most major ones like google and samsung work fine

>>2878539
Fuuuck....

>>2878537
>I like San Francisco for food and WOMEN
What you sound like rn

>>2878597
I'm gonna be gone for about 3 whole weeks, and am most likely gonna bring a burner phone - probably Android? - with all the Chinese apps on it. Also I saw something online posted literally TODAY saying "rip to all the people studying abroad in China" etc. because LetsVPN no longer works/operates in China now.

I already know the 2010s classics of Express and Nord no longer work and haven't since like 2022, but I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge in these circles by now.

Should I bring 2 phones? My regular with VPN and my burner without?

>>2878614
(On my regular phone,) I just use regular Android, and I do have some "meme" stuff like Revanced cracks. But not an entire OS or anything.

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>>2876359
damn thats serene, i imagine the smell of these fauna, trees, and slight humidity, perhaps in the morning? What well kept places, so clean and preserved. Unsure of the rules in outdoor eating in China, so I wouldn't risk it before establishing that, but if there's seating around here, I could see myself eating a box of, something like barbecue noodles and meat right there. And do a turkey strutt around this area after, showing my gaijin respect as I place the trash in the can, increasing my social cred in the eyes of the locals. "Ni hao si bao" Sorry, I dont know Chinese.
"APP translate" i point to my phone, "white boy whatchu doing here? you laaaiiike china?" Can't do a full on solo RP, but yeah, I could see interactions flow like that, until we get ear implants for this shit.

>>2878613
Also isn't it nigh-impossible to get a Chinese phone number nowadays (which ends up being the source of like 90% of all laowai expat bitching about China)?

>>2878718
>>2878705
It's easy to get a chinese number. And why do you need a VPN? Just don't be a bitch and stay behind the chinese internet. Thats what I did. You can even browse 4chan from it. Lurking only though bc china is rangebanned from posting

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>>2878728
This you?

>>2878705
>I like San Francisco for food and WOMEN
Except Sichuan is actually famous for its beautiful women, unlike SF

>>2878718
It is and always has been super easy.

>>2878705
https://www.cna.com.tw/news/acn/202604280316.aspx
Yeah lol letsvpn ended their service to China literally yesterday bc they can't make it work
If you want to bring a burner phone just buy one there lol it'll work better and be cheaper but you will never be able to get a vpn or banned apps on it because it will be 国内版

>>2878718
No, you just need to show them your passport to buy it. The seethe comes from dumb people who tried to go to tiny local branches or convenience stores to get SIM cards and were shocked that the people working there didn't know how to put their passport info into the system.

>>2878754
>国内版
doesnt matter for apple. for jeetdroid it sucks thobeit

>>2878754
Is LetsVPN actually done for or is this just a "technically true" CYA post and it still works?

Anyways Mullvad is still working, just asked a Chinese person

>>2878812
Idk because I don't use letsvpn but their statement is that they will no longer attempt to provide services in China because they simply can't. So I assume it will not work just like nordvpn and all the others that don't try to provide China service.
I will just stick with mullvad because it is better and more reliable

>>2878759
Apple would not be a very economical burner phone lol, better to get a Chinese phone for half the price

>>2878817
apple is the ideal phone to buy in china because it actually works outside of china. if you buy jeetdroid it can only be used as a burner phone within china, but if you buy apple you can use it globally no issue. got my iPhone 12 mini with new screen and battery for 900rmb

I think VPN-wise it could be massively worse. Right now Russia has more aggressive censorship than China, yet I still have gamer friends there active on Discord and YouTube, and they're not all disappearing en masse.

>>2878749
What are beauty standards across each province anyway?

Like my impression is that E China are peak beauties

Northern Chinese women are like strong and assertive, kinda shrewd businesswomen, like the Proverbs 31 ideal wife

Fujian and Cantonese would be like fishwife ABGs and have a real chance of being brown esp. in the rural areas

>>2878977
Everywhere has the same beauty standard which is mainly one thing: 白 (white skin). No matter how light or dark their skin is naturally all women will apply whitening products and say they don't like dark skin. The other parts are:
>Thin
>Long dark hair
>Tall (about 170cm)
>Round eyes
>Sharp jaw
All beauty and looks to Chinese are just in the skin and the face really
Also southern people are more known for business than northerners, and they are really not that brown (especially not after they've slathered themselves in whitening cream every day for twenty years)
Everyone will tell you that their city/province has the most beautiful women but the most accurate stereotypes are those to do with personality imo

>>2878977
northern chinese women look like trannies with big fridge bodies and flat chests
southern chinese women look like teenage boys with small fridge bodies and flat chests
west chinese have the big fridge bodies of the north but with yellow skin

in china women are penalized for being too tall but also for being too small. yellow goes against them universally. the meme is that guiyang has some of the best women because they sun is weak there so their skin is pale, but i went there and the girls were hideous. they are all alcoholic and many of them start smoking at age 11

>>2876713
>severe pollution
>nature raped to death
>a rather realistic chance that something you eat will give you food poisoning even if it seemed safe
>same thing with beverages unless you know it came from a sealed bottle
>if you're American or Japanese some angry guy who hates his life might stab you
Anything else? Is there a realistic chance to get fucked with by the CCP or things like that? Also, are you fucked if you don't speak Chinese? Or will people still like you and try to speak English?

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>>2879008
>food poisoning from food and drinks
not really a thing since 2016-17, I lived in China for a year and only got food poisoning once (from a buffet, but street food and hawkers were all fine)
if you can't speak Chinese it will be more annoying to do everything because it will have to go through your phone but not impossible
using the online ecosystem is quite annoying
>pollution and nature
you can avoid the pollution, it doesn't cover the entire country
and there is lots of nature that is doing fine

China is a big country. There are some places that have genuinely unlivable pollution which are like smoking a pack of cigs a day living there, and there are some places with cleaner air than all major western cities

>>2878977
I think your impression is mostly accurate but "East China" is a mixed bag what you specifically should mean is Jiangsu/Zhejiang/Shanghai which sure is basically accurate. Cantos and fujianese arent exactly 'brown' that would be like Guangxi maybe some Yunnan but the 'fishwife abg' bit feels right and they will have a more familiar look to what you see in diasporoids. Idk why that other anon says N Chinese women look like trannies that's ridiculous.

Reality is for face alone you will find good specimens anywhere. For good, developed bodies you either would focus on T1 cities (Shenzhen/Guangzhou/Shanghai/Beijing, especially the former two, overall more fitness minded people) or Shandong/Dongbei

>>2879044
>Idk why that other anon says N Chinese women look like trannies that's ridiculous.
cope

>>2879044
Yunnanese are mostly northerners who migrated in the 13th and 14th centuries with the Mongol invasions of Nanzhao. Much lighter skinned (naturally) than Guangxi people who have much more baiyue and local ancestry. But they are all so covered in whitening products that it's hard to tell.
Diaspora are 90% from Fujian and Guangdong so that's why they look familiar

>>2879048
Cope for what? Im not a northern Chinese woman

>>2879051
>Yunnanese
Sure but there are definitely some brown types there. Maybe theyre Burmese illegals
>Diaspora
Yes that's why I said it

>>2879054
>Im not a northern Chinese woman
But you simp for them for some reason

They're all beautiful women. Maybe you can explain how the women look like men, cus to me it's the total opposite, the men look like women.

I'm sorta curious, how do you go about dating white women when they are very burly compared to the most mannish chinese madam?

I think the fridge body phenomena is reserved for old ladies in rural communities. Being short, stalky, and wearing puffy jackets will create that appearance...

>>2879011
Why did you live there? Were you attending school or something?

I am trying to think of reasons to visit china, but so far I imagine myself making small talk with locals and going for walks with novel scenery. I'm not sure that experiences is worth 2k and a 26h flight

>>2879058
Well yeah because they're good looking and put my wee wee in their mouths

>a grown man capable of being this immature

>>2879060
>Maybe you can explain how the women look like men, cus to me it's the total opposite, the men look like women.
No tits, no ass, no hips, big hands, face the same as the men. come on bro.
>>2879062
I fuck them too but I dont cope that they're good looking

it's true that china attracts the most pathetic white dorks

>>2879060
Yes I was there on exchange as part of my degree in Sinology
The best reasons to visit China are the scenery, nature, culture (history), and food
If you're not very interested in the food or cultural aspects I think there is little reason to come as the nature can be found elsewhere with an experience much more convenient for western tourists. Small talk with locals is boring after the first few times they just ask you the same questions like robots. The only intellectually interesting people I ever managed to talk to were those who had lived abroad and recognised that foreigners weren't aliens.
Sexpats and other pests would be better off in Thailand

>>2879065
At least weebs and Thailand bros know they are dorks and losers. They don't have delusions of grandeur and superiority. But most English teachers and the like in China do

>>2879067
>degree in cooming

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>>2879067
I have some questions for you, answer whichever ones you'd like

>What made you want to study sinology?
>What are your favorite aspects of it?
>What do you mean by culture (history)? and how does that translate into activities while visiting china?
>A sinologist remarking locals as being robotic is kinda ironic since you dedicated 4 years of schooling/life to studying their world. Do you have any insights into this? How and why are they robotic?

More to follow later,

>>2879065
>>2879067
China, Japan, and Taiwan all attract dorks of different flavor and I dont think any gets an easy "most dorky" crown. Korea afaict is more normie central. But that being said, while overall less dorky, SEA by far attracts a more outright pathetic crowd

>>2879064
>I fuck ugly mannish fridge bodies which means that's all that exists lalala cant hear you
or
>I am merely pretending to be retarded
these are the only two possible bits you are doing here

>>2879088
>>What made you want to study sinology?
mostly my interest in the language and the fact that I had no special talents in anything else. I considered doing Chinese and Business but knew I wouldn't be interested in business so just did Chinese (Sinology)
>>What are your favorite aspects of it?
history, literature, poetry
>>What do you mean by culture (history)? and how does that translate into activities while visiting china?
stuff that has actual significance to China rather than just being a mountain or a pretty waterfall
like the forbidden city, terracotta warriors, summer palace, white horse temple, etc.
places where you can learn and realise historical events
great wall doesn't count since it is a reconstruction, but the original parts are cool
>>A sinologist remarking locals as being robotic is kinda ironic since you dedicated 4 years of schooling/life to studying their world. Do you have any insights into this? How and why are they robotic?
they respond to meeting a foreigner with such similarity that there must be a script for it they are taught somewhere
>wow where do you come from?
>how do you speak such good Chinese?
>are you accustomed to our Chinese food?
>(if male) do you have a Chinese girlfriend?
>(running out of ideas) is China better or your country better?
and so on. gets very tiring.
imo this is because the way the Chinese education system and job market is set up is that all talented and clever people are siphoned off to provincial capitals and then to Beijing/Shanghai/Guangzhou/Shenzhen leaving behind only the midwits in smaller cities. people who failed in the big cities go back to their home cities to manage these midwits.
therefore outside of big cities EVERYONE is super "normie"
armchair theory but it's what I experienced

>>2879094
Korea attracts dorky/loser women thoughbeit

>>2879094
>I fuck ugly mannish fridge bodies which means that's all that exists lalala cant hear you
why deny it? we know it's true. also japan is more normie than korea now. kpopfags are the most dysgenic scum on planet earth, even more than comiccon weebs

>>2879119
>the immature voice of that writing
>trying to start arguments on Asia threads
Hey Steven, how's the trolling lately? Still getting off on it? That's great

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让我们一起学习中文!你在中国一般会去做什么?

>>2879142
>会去做什么?
shouldn't it be 会去干什么

>>2879143
都可以

>>2879142
Use /Lang/ on /int/ for discussion of languages
Also it should be 我们一起来学中文吧!
让 is only used for permission not imperative

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>>2879148
但是在/int/没有人说中文,又你们有更好的风格

>>2879148
You are incorrect, 让 is perfectly fine in this context, but it should finish with 吧 as you say

>>2879154
谢谢

>>2879159
好伙子 (good lad)

Does anyone have experience with going to gyms in China? Are they notably different from those in the west?
Going for a month and don't want to get fat

>>2879309
the one I went to was 24/7 and had no staff. You enter by facial recognition. You can buy a one month pass easy on meituan
Gyms are usually new but etiquette is hit and miss. People leave the weights wherever

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How careful do I need to be with "timing" when I'm setting up WeChat and Alipay?

I won't be visiting China for at least another 7 months. It's often recommended that people set these up before even entering China, which makes sense, but the trouble is that Chinese apps seem to be really finicky.

Set up the apps just days before entering China and try using them right away = Gets flagged as suspicious since a lot of things are happening really quickly

Set up the apps well in advance, then start using them once you're in China = Gets flagged as suspicious because the account has been inactive for months and it's just getting its first transaction now

Seems like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. I've seen reports from people of both camps having issues with WeChat and Alipay. Is there a "sweet spot" that won't cause issues?

>>2879522
Also, do repeat transactions with the same vendor raise any flags? I know that they charge a 3% transaction fee for any transaction over 200, so a common "trick" to avoid the 3% fee is to get the vendor to split the total. If I needed to pay 1000 for something, would WeChat or Alipay try to block five separate payments of 200 for the same vendor within the span of several minutes?

>>2879522
>>2879525
You're gonna get raped by suspicion flags no matter what. When that happens you take a picture with your passport and they reinstate your account in a few hours
In your daily life you will almost never incur the 200+ fee. i never did five but when i had to pay 3200 for 3 months rent + deposit i think i did 2-4 in a row back to back with no issue

>>2879522
Usually the suspicious thing happens because you left your VPN on while making a payment
When my parents came here they set up both WeChat and alipay on the day we landed and started using them immediately with zero problems

>>2879528
Get a Chinese bank card if you are planning on staying here for a while
When going out for dinner, buying stuff on taobao, clothes etc... I regularly spent over 200

>>2879522
Just set it up now. There's no problem with setting it up early.

>>2879575
> When going out for dinner, buying stuff on taobao, clothes etc... I regularly spent over 200
faggit

>>2879584
poorfag
with 1000rmb a month rent you are definitely living in a little runtcage in some t5 backwater
have fun!

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>>2879586
paypig coping

>>2879589
now let's see the inside of your hamster cage apartment

I'm going to China for the first time in my life in a couple of weeks. Which VPN is better? I'm considering VyprVPN and V1VPN. I read good things about Astrill, but it's hideously expensive compared to the others.

I'll be staying in Chongqing and Sichuan if that makes any difference.

>>2879831
Never heard of those. Current meta per reddit (which IS the useful source in this case) is mullvand

>>2879831
Mullvad is simply the better vpn in all cases, even if you're not going to China
cheaper than vypr
v1 vpn apparently works but I haven't used it myself
avoid astrill as it is unreliable and letsvpn as it no longer provides service to China

>>2879850
Apparently China has stepped up their Gret Firewall recently, many VPNs are now useless. I think Nord was always pretty bad but LetsVPN is now over. Im going to get Mullvad, one month 5 euros I OK

What country's eSIM should I get if I don't want one from Hong Kong or Macau? Would a Japanese or Korean eSIM work reliably in China?

Is there anything that's actually worth buying in China to bring back home? I can't really think of anything, because a lot of Chinese goods can be easily purchased online. I also live in a country with a large Chinese diaspora population, so there are a lot of imported goods available.

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goodnight trv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPUEqxzkgKA

>>2879959
Cigarettes

>>2879959
the chinese shit you buy back home will be marked up 10x. get in ear monitors, a nice radio, and whatever accessories you need. like a GaN, apple pencil, folio case, whatever

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Thinking of my wonderful time in Chongqing. So glad we went inland, even if it meant 18 hours on the train.

>>2880439
>18 hours
You know China has HSR and planes right? You don't have to take the 绿皮火车 everywhere

>>2876355
how hard is it actually to get an extended travel visa?
like can i as a neet with no work or education credentials walk into the embassy in hong kong and get one?

>>2880549
>how hard is it actually to get an extended travel visa?
>like can i as a neet with no work or education credentials walk into the embassy in hong kong and get one?
Every embassy is different. I got a 90 day 10 year visa as an American in NY. Day 1 - go to embassy, pay the fee, give them your passport
Few days later - pick it up with the visa

The CCP is desperate af for travellers right now. They spend more money than any country in the world on outward propaganda promoting a positive image of China. And it's flopping. No one is going. So yes they'll give you it. And when you arrive they won't grill you at the airport. My advice is to go for the 90 day one because China has great infrastructure for 90 day visas, it is standard rental contract for it to be 3 months payment at a time

>>2880549
The only difference is the price the actual application doesn't become any harder or stricter. If you have successfully applied for a visa before it will be basically auto-approved. Invitation letter also is basically auto-approval. If you are writing your own itinerary just make sure you don't fuck it up and explain how you are going to leave the country (with proof). You can refund all the tickets and shit after they won't care once you enter the country.

>>2880551
Yeah even with all the visa free policies and marketing they are only just scraping pre-pandemic arrival and income statistics. Although this is happening to a lot of countries not just China as the global tourism sector contracts. Everyone is just poorer now

>>2880549
It's not hard at all it just depends on your country of origin AND the country you apply in - be careful if considering applying in HK as they've shafted me there and given me a single entry 60 day when I otherwise only get 10 year unlimited entries from US

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someone been to the jinshanling great wall section?

thinking of going there on my trip in october
ideally hike there for a few hours
and propose to my gf
is it empty enough there? like can I get 30min without other people going by?

probably gonna hire a driver for a day because I've read that people weren't able to get a DiDi back in the afternoon (even just to the train station)
and getting a driving license in China sounds like a real hassle since the international doesn't count

>>2880537
We did, I should have made it clearer that it was 18 hours in total. It wasn't too bad, except for the stress that comes with booking only 15 days in advance and the lack of seating in 1st class. Business class is 太贵了. We had 1A and B, which sucks because you just have a wall infront and 1/3 of a window. Besides us in C there was a big back female chungus that talked in the phone the entire way, luckily with headphones.

What is up with CRH North being so shit? The difference was stark compared to the trip from Shanghai where we could get 美团 delivered to the seat.

>>2880824
So where did you go from, Beijing to Chongqing?
Further than 1500km flying usually becomes cheaper and faster than the train
For example Beijing-Chongqing by train is 7-9 hours and 900 yuan but by plane is 3 hours and 600 yuan

Next time you get shit seats try 改签 to another train if you don't mind the fee or you can pay 10 yuan for a seat guaranteed to be 远离车门 when initially booking

CRH is nationally unified not divided into different bureaus like JR. I think quality in the north is usually just a little bit worse because of less investment and the stations are older.

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>>2879959
Chinese baijiu, most of them tastes like shit, but the bottles are very nice

>>2876723
find local friends easily

>>2877574
they also have a big rock which is the official measure of sea level for all of china. at the big marina, surprisingly.

Thoughts on Guangzhou? I had my eye on Shanghai but for some reason it looks like Guangzhou has the best music scene (hardcore/metal/heavy guitar music, noise, indie that isn't shit etc) in China for my tastes

>>2881193
Weirdly enough according to Metal Archives, most of the metal bands are from Beijing.

But those are just metal bands that site documents. Maybe there's a ton of bands that they don't have.

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Now I know why all ya freaks want to visit China...

>>2881312
Why do I get a feeling if a foreigner tried to fuck a 14 year old Chinese girl, he would probably end up never being found...

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>>2881312

>>2881313
I have made it clear and straightforward that I believe that no matter which country you are in, no matter what kind of person you are from, no matter who you are, your behavior has already offended me very much. If you were careless, of course, I don't think you were at all careless. First of all, let me say that your behavior of wanting to kiss before parting has already crossed the line. Do you think I am easy to bully? I declare here that I believe no one from any country should end their separation with a kiss, and your actions are very out of bounds, with a lot of kisses, which is very disgusting. I love how passionate I am when I talk to someone for the first time, but your behavior is very much like sexual assault. I'm sorry, I really can't stand it. Please don't do this when you meet any Chinese people in the future. They may slap you directly. Is it my culture that makes me less open? I don't think anyone from any country should do this
And I would like to remind you that you are 30 years old and I am 17 years old. I think your experience should be much more than mine, and I am a minor. Do you understand? As a minor, no matter how open you are in your country, you cannot do such things to a minor. You make me feel disgusted, okay? Now my parents will closely monitor your behavior. If it's serious, I will report it to the police. Please don't have any further interaction with me. I don't want to see you in any corner of the library. Please don't wander around anywhere I've taken you. Don't try to get close to me. If you say another word to me or even want to defend yourself, I will report it to the police. Please stay away
What the hell are you doing in China? I'm his mother. Please see me go away automatically later. Otherwise, I'll call the police and declare again that I'm a his mother minor. Don't you have a sense of boundaries?

>>2881313
You make me sick. You are trying to test my bottom line through a series of cross-border behaviors, which directly breaks the distance that strangers should have. I ask you to make friends next time. Can you not be so direct? Are you his mother aware that your behavior is very abnormal? And I'm sick of your his mother ability to connect to the Internet. Can you go online to see how to communicate with a stranger? Do you know what? I'm too lazy to talk about it. Let me say it again finally. Please see me go away automatically in the future. Don't tell me a word. If you dare to approach me or even communicate with me, I will call the police and go online to learn how to communicate with people normally? I'm tired of it. Stay away from me, okay? Go find a friend who speaks fluent English and can fuck you for the first time
May we never meet again in our lifetime, and may your friends be as disgusting as you are

>>2881318
>>2881319
Are you reposting messages you received?

>>2881321
it was all one wall of text from some girl's mom seething at me through a translator apparently

my take on it is if they could have used the law to punish me, they would. But they didn't

>>2881322
Did you know she was 17 beforehand?

>>2881324
yeah. didnt care

>>2881326
Lol where did you meet her?

>>2881330
Approached her outside

>>2881280
Fair enough, I know that Beijing was the first city in China to have Western/Japanese style underground music scenes and that it was *the* spot for quite a while, but I've heard things that suggest that might have changed
It's hard finding out the full picture when the bands/promoters don't post on insta and you need a Chinese phone number to access the Chinese sites lol

>>2881312
Huh, didn't know this. I thought it was 18 for 成年

I have decided the most annoying foreigners in China are not Africans, not Americans, not even the French.
They are Arabs.

>>2881876
QRD?

>>2881883
loud, obnoxious, harass people, for some reason they are really obsessed with telling people off for smoking or "exposing scams" with their incredibly limited Chinese
basically they treat the country like a giant theme park and they are allah's saviour sent to rescue Chinese civilisation from the dangers of smoking indoors

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Are video games cheaper in China? I was thinking of buying some Nintendo Switch games for my nephews while I'm there.

>>2881907
they are cheaper but they may be region locked to avoid you exploiting that fact

So, what is the best way to meet women in China? Does it depend on region?

Do I go to bars/clubs on the weekend?

>>2881997
>bars/clubs
useless unless you actually speak Chinese and have semi-competent social skills both with men and women, qualities we can safely assume you lack otherwise you wouldn't be asking this
most effective is probably dating apps, especially if you are white. if you just want to fuck then you can be pretty direct about it, just say 想约 and everyone will understand

>>2881997
It does depend on region. Bars/clubs are good. If you are too aggro you can get thrown out though. Just do the same things you always do

>>2881948
Well fuck, I'm glad you warned me about that. I was operating under the assumption that all Nintendo Switch games were region-free, but it turns out Chinese games are the one exception. kek I guess my nephews will have to get something else.

>>2882001
What dating app is the most popular in China?

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>>2882211
Parents holding ads at the People's Park in Shanghai.

>>2881997
Definitively yes bars the other anon is inept or gatekeeping. Cheesy daygaming anywhere also works. I gave an extensive list of best bars across multiple cities in another thread everyone ignored me though. Their loss!

>>2882236
>I gave an extensive list of best bars across multiple cities in another thread everyone ignored me though.
The ones you named in Chengdu were all closed. Muh epic secret bar is a meme because it changes every year

>>2881997
>>2882001
>>2882236
How is daygame effective while not knowing Mandarin? lmao. Certain bars may be effective if they cater to westerners.

Chinks are extremely autistic, women included. The idea that a foreigner goes up to them to hit on them will cause them to spill their sphagttei nearly every time and they won't know how to respond and sperg out/leave.

Barriers:
-Language
-Genetic/environmental chink autism
-Culture of "saving face" that will make them feel guilty about talking to random westerners in public, even if they want to and can handle it without sperging out

Unless you get lucky with ones who speak English and have western exposure that cancels out the autism. It's actually easier to casually fuck chinks in the west than an China because the barriers above don't exist. They come to the west with the express purpose of fulfilling their BWC dreams and are completely free to do so with no restrictions they'd have in China

If you're on a short trip and only speak English, the best way is to use an app like Bumble to find a white fever slut with dyed hair/colored contacts, tats, etc.
If you speak the language and have enough time to put in effort, you could date almost any girl as an average white guy

t. experienced colonizer who's done it in China and the US while speaking no bug language

>>2882256
Add: the more white guys they've been with, the less autistic they are. The autism literally needs to be fucked out of them. Then they are more basic/western/whorish but at least are capable of expressing themselves and can be social/pleasant, so it's a tradeoff

>>2882236
"I know the epic sekrit bar to fuck Chinese women trust me bro just be your laowai self!"
Stfu, you're just going to waste his time and make him look like a retard wandering into some place where everyone has booked tables and he just stands around on the main floor like an idiot

Don't mislead newfriends it's not nice

>>2882256
>>2882258
This guy's post tracks. To add on to that, it varies a lot by city. I've only been to two places, Guiyang and Chengdu, and they were night and day different. Guiyang was a complete shitshow in terms of the social autism and whatnot. It was impossible for me to break through that in the end. Chengdu was much better because there are more foreigners. And USA before I knew Chinese was the best of all. Now when I go back who knows.

>>2876355
Can you please tell me your experience in Shanghai? As in location, atmosphere, people, honourable mentions etc.

>>2881193
need more input, should I go Guangzhou (also allows me to take easy weekend trips to HK) or should I do Shanghai/Hangzhou instead?

>>2882236
Repost the bar list then here. I'll read it.

>>2882244
>>2882273
Who the fuck said the bars were secret? Everybody expat knows what/where they are Im just saying it takes two minutes of research or asking around as a newb and you guys are being absolutely silly to claim that you can't get women in bars in China I mean get real. It is the most shooting fish in a barrel environment with non-p4p women possibly in all of Asia.

>>2882256
That was a lot of words to bury the conclusion of, yeah, you can get women
>If you're on a short trip and only speak English, the best way is to use an app like Bumble to find a white fever slut with dyed hair/colored contacts, tats, etc.
>If you speak the language and have enough time to put in effort, you could date almost any girl as an average white guy

>>2882328
We conversed earlier in this thread or maybe another thread. I am still holding out that either you sperg and misread the situation or there is some insane string of bad luck you encountered in Guiyang

>>2882357
The Drinkery and Revo in Shanghai. You can DYOR on other cities

>>2882418
you never been to the shitty cities post covid? shanghai in 2013 is not the same as current day guiyang

>>2882421
I live in Shanghai and travel all manner of T1-T88 cities throughout the year. My experience is undoubtedly skewed by being fluent in Mandarin, but I also dont think that matters *that* much for the experience of a short term visitor in a city where a short term visitor would be, anyways.

I'd agree with what I think your point is, that things aren't quite as easy as pre covid, but its a pretty marginal difference imo

whats there to do in Guangzhou? is there anybody on this board thats been to shipai village? looks like the walled city but newer and a bit cleaner.

jesus niggering christ the Air China online checkin process is the most infuriating thing I have had to do this year

>>2882609
Don't waste your time. You only need to check in for flights in America because the airlines may find a way to nig you on seats or something if you don't but overseas no one does that so check in doesnt really matter

>>2882609
one time I offered to do the check-in for the whole group (7 people), if I didn't speedrun filling in all the data the website would get bored and send me back to the beginning and it was maddening since I also wanted to make sure not to make a mistake.
The website in general sucks, but I always had a good experience with the flights themselves

I'm traveling through China to go to Tokyo, is it safe to take my laptop? Do they often ask to unlock the devices and check the content? I have tons of random porn.

>>2882718
>I'm traveling through China to go to Tokyo, is it safe to take my laptop? Do they often ask to unlock the devices and check the content? I have tons of random porn.
If you come in looking like a Jihadist or a political activist they might fuck with you but otherwise they give no fucks

>>2882718
I would be shocked to learn that anyone has ever been asked to do that, unless they were prescreened for a very specific reason and had it coming. No your porn doesnt qualify.

>>2882721
>>2882738
Understood, thanks

>>2879578
nice try chang

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I'm traveling to China (mainly to see family) for the first time since COVID next June; this trip will include my first-ever visits to Chengdu + Chongqing (in that order, ~4 days each).

Already got the internet, payment, lodging, etc. situations sorted out, but what I'd like to know is what to do (or what not to do).

From the outset, my family was pleading about Chongqing having nothing to do vs. Chengdu, and I suspect it's because they're Chinese boomers and not Chinese zoomers, meaning the Chongqing they know is shittier. But Chengdu on a map looks flat AF, idk, like less to do there than Xi'an I'd feel.

I see Ciqikou being hyped up as one of the best "far from city center but not enough a pilgrimage to really be a 'day trip'" ideas for Chongqing, but a lot of people (including my family and Chinese people on RedNote) say it's severely overrated, and pretty much a commercial tourist trap not unlike Shibati (18 Steps) closer to the city center.

How's Huangjueya? It's on the S (really E) side of the Yangtze and I was wondering if I could take the cable car. But I also heard said cable car often has 3 hour lines too. Worth it? How absolutely on time must I be for these?

Is the bunker hot pot place worthwhile, or too gimmicky?

Should I bother with like Eling #2 and so on? China has so many of those for some reason. I'm a guy so would I be stumbling into some yass gurl IG zone?

I'm kinda intrigued about the idea of Chengdu being some liberal gay capital of China (and I'm also visiting what might be the next contender for that title, Shanghai), but stuff like picrel does give me pause. Wouldn't visit the con even if it were still running, but what does this mean for, like, going to bars and meeting other twinkish men? And does China being ruled by, well, China's government mean things are counterintuitively more grounded in reality/less woketarded compared to the blue-state US, or are they actually open-firing at troons? t. a /tttt/tard.

i looked at various videos of walking in chinas top tier cities - shenzen, shanghai, beijing. honestly, they're rather boring, despite looking very futuristic and cyberpunk at night. there's no history, no aura there, just a worship of consumerism.

maybe cities with more history are more interesting?

>>2883698
nah shit's soulless

>>2883698
Shenzhen yes, Shanghai Beijing you either watched wrongs videos or are retarded

>>2883698
>beijing
>no history
lol

>>2877495
Ok this explains it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3VbfpwfRV4

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>>2883698
>i looked at various videos of walking in chinas
Then you shouldn't be commenting in this thread since you have no experience to draw insight from. Beijing is one of the best cities in China for historical sightseeing.

I was thinking of going for a 1 year chinese course on some college. Do you have any experience on that? I am about hsk3 ish but can't really hear shit yet. I don't care about best college and stuff like that. Just want to live there for a bit

>>2884338
Agree: Anon shouldn't comment on Chinese history solely based on just watching travel videos.

Disagree: That Anon shouldn't comment in this thread due to his ignorance. People make posts in threads because they have at least some interest in the topic, so Anon should still post here if he has any interest in learning.

I will be visiting Chengdu soon, any tips on what to do? I will be there 3 full days, obviously going to a panda park. Not sure which one though.
Any recomendatioms for the day or nice dinner spots?

>>2884580
There was a place called Mike's pizza in tongzilin. I know its weird reccomending a pizza place in china but its still the best pizza ive ever had to this day. Not sure if its still there though. Also Jah bar is great especially to get hit on by alt Chinese girls.

>>2884593
Is that the place that has mala-flavored pizza? All I know is that it exists somewhere, and Chengdu is known for their hotpot, so it makes the most sense.

>>2884602
There are probably a bunch of places that do it. Bizarre toppings are the norm in China: cherries, sweet potato, mayonaisse, etc.

>>2884580
next to sichuan university has a lot of cheap local food. no english on the menu. max soul

>>2884607
>>2884593
Thanks! Im not sure if Im going to a pizza llace,especially since my stay is so short. I read about some michelin restaurants that cook classic szechuan style and are quitte cheap. Anyone has experienced those?

>>2883641
Hi, this anon again

Any cool things to do in Shanghai that aren't like a) lame and popular (I've been here like 5x with family) nor b) egregiously expensive like that 6 story nightclub ended up being if you want a table? Hope I can get an answer since I literally leave in 2 days