The great debate. Which is better?
Go somewhere else you incel slob
>>2876749Vietnam >actually interesting history/tourist sites>more beautiful landscapes >cheaper, yet more developed>real dignified women/people, feels like an actual country to be proud ofThailand>nothing actually interesting to see besides generic temples (which every SEA country has) and beaches>women are all whores/prostitutes desperate for greencard to get out of their shithole>country is a tourist Disneyland built entirely around catering to boomer sexpests >food is better So basically, go to Thailand if you're a boomer, honeymooner, or loser sexpest, and go to Vietnam if you want an actual adventure.
>>2876749I found Thailand a little less interesting than Vietnam. Also I just found less things to see in general in Thailand. Once you see Bangkok, a few temples and some of the mountain tropical beaches near Phuket. That's about it. Vietnam has more going for it.
I hate Vietnam!
>>2876754>vietjeet trying to imply vietnam isnt just for coomfags, no different from thailandNo one's falling for this cope.
>>2876754I lived in Thailand for years before moving to Vietnam and mostly agree with this. It's refreshing being around ambitions people with a rich cultural heritage who actually have a brain and aren't afraid to use it. My two biggest gripes are that Tieng Viet is quite a lot harder than Thai, and the trash littering situation in Vietnam is out of control. >tens of millions of tourists visit Thailand every year anon, can they all be wrong? Yes, they absolutely can be. That's been an eye opener, realising just how retarded the general normie is. 95% of people want the goyslop theme park experience, or have lost all hope of progressing in life and feel most content amidst a backwards lazy culture. Thailand has the infrastructure and transvestites. Vietnam has the soul and an actual future.
I spent 2 months in Thailand and 2 in Vietnam over the past year. I'd been to both previously, but not since last decade. I like them both for different reasons.It sucks that you have to apply amd pay for a tourist visa in Vietnam, but it gives you 90 days. Thailand is visa free, but it only gives you 60 days, and they are going to bring it down to 30 days soon. Very gay. Vietnam wins hereThai food is superior. I have no idea how the Vietnamese can eat so much hot soup when it's boiling outside.Vietnam is cheaper for most things, but it also feels cheaper imo.I prefer the people in Vietnam (both locals and tourists).Right now, I prefer Vietnam as a whole over Thailand, but Bangkok absolutely mogs Saigon. I'd prefer to live in Bangkok if they weren't massive faggots regarding their visa policy. I'm familiar with the DTV, but I don't want to pay Thai taxes and live in a legal grey-area with visa renewals and border runs.I'm planning to going to Phnom Penh because I'm sick of moving so much
>>2876761>>2876754>>2876796>more interesting/there’s more to seeAren’t both countries just flat boring landscapes with generic beaches? Both have comparable recent histories but Thailand wasn’t China’s cumblanket for centuries and developed a more distinct local culture, while to me Vietnam was more like third world China
>>2876796Thai and Viet IQ(and basically the rest of Asia) is basically the same. You’re probably just more exposed to the elite because Vietnam is still very rural(far more than Thailand), most people live on less than half of what Thais earn, and moving into cities requires a bit of permissions/connections.They may have a bit more ambitious culture due to the Confucian foundation, but it’s still a scorching hot tropical nation.
>>2876749Thailand, but mostly because Vietnam is just a worse version of China, so there isn't really any point of travelling there unless you have some specific interest. There's a reason Vietnam isn't as popular as countries like Thailand, China and Japan
>>2876796>Thailand has the infrastructure and transvestitesIt's funny you posted that and it's exactly the two reasons I want to go back and settle in.I can visit Vietnam periodically for cute little women but I hate being there for too long at once because everything else is too shitty and not worth putting up with imo.>>2876809>Thailand is visa free, but it only gives you 60 days, and they are going to bring it down to 30 days soon. Very gay.It is indeed. And they love taking their sweet fucking time when you apply for a visa.
>>2876796> Yes, they absolutely can be. That's been an eye opener, realising just how retarded the general normie is. 95% of people want the goyslop theme park experienceFound a pic of you
>>2876815>Thai and Viet IQ(and basically the rest of Asia) is basically the sameExcept that if you look at the age ranges in that chart you'll notice that Vietnam only surveyed children. And the numbers are still much higher than Thai adults. Still need to take it all with a grain of salt as a lot of that data is 2-3 decades old. The latest survey in the chart of 12 year old Viet kids in 2014 shows a score of 102. Compare that with the most recent and generous data these days that puts Thai adults at around 100, we can say that Vietnamese kids 12 years ago had the same IQ that Thai adults have right now.Pisa scores are probably a better representation of the current state. There Vietnam is a clear winner, just lagging in second place behind Singapore and continually improving. Thailand on the other hand has stayed in the lower half of Asean for Pisa results and continues to go lower. That's despite the fact that both countries spend similar amounts on education. Thailand also continually ranks as the lowest ASEAN performer in English proficiency. Like how the fuck do you accept 30-40 million English speaking tourists every year for decades and still most people cannot string a sentence together? That's what happens when a nation is retarded, inward looking and proud. >still very rural, most people live on less than half of what Thais earnThats exactly my point. Thailand has improved infrastructure because for decades they've received gorillions of tourist dollars. They dont have to do anything for that except sit on their ass and wait for endless streams of farang to come and ride elephants and fuck ladyboys. Vietnamese had to overcome huge hardships, foreign occupiers, famines, wars and a divided country, all of which are in recent cultural memory. And still a random kid in a Vietnamese mountain village will have all sorts of shit to talk about with me in English. Meanwhile a bank teller in Bangkok can't answer basic questions and stares at TikTok all day.
>>2876844>I hate being there for too long at once because everything else is too shitty and not worth putting up with imo.Fair point, it's not for everyone. Glad you've found your happy place. I hope you'll never be in a position where you have to rely on locals' intelligence, like wiring house electrics or driving your kids to school. Good luck.
>>2876858The thought of that in Vietnam would be frightening. It's the only place I've been where I've seen motorbike accidents with my owns eyes. And not once but multiple times.>wiring electronicsThe electrical in Vietnam is also the most troublesome I've come across in SEA. Everything about build quality is so "rough around the edges" and electrical issues like getting mild electric shocks in the bathroom of a hotel then having the water heater turn off.I'm even typing this out right now in a nice looking, clean, almost brand new building and most of the lights in my room don't work. One particular light switch doesn't do anything so I'm guessing that's it.Bangkok has spiderwebs of wires, but everything keeps working.>Thais don't care and are heckin dumdumI've been bothered multiple times by this and have a lasting memory of a coffee shop girl not knowing the menu of her shop, handing me multiple different menus showing different prices for the same drinks, then still giving me something completely different from what I asked for. Espresso? No sugar? I'm even telling her in Thai? Too complicated. She needs multiple attempts to get this shit straight. She didn't seem to care either.That attitude wears me down pretty quick now within The Kingdom, but I want stability, infrastructure, and meat play toys.I will say though what keeps me coming back to Vietnam is the people's attitudes. They seem to be more genuinely friendly and actually try when communicating with me when Thais on occasion act like cunts when I try with their language and will even result with the person I'm with telling me they're just being bad I said it correctly.If I could find accomodations in saigon I am happy with I would consider it as my base, split with bkk, but gyms also aren't great. I'll search again though. I want to like Saigon.
Doors can also be poorly fitted. Windows will get it too. Look at this shit balcony door. There's significant space all around it.
Want to take a shower? Great. Everyone should clean up.Your bathroom window in the shower might be gone and it's just a piece of paper covering part of the hole. Price for such a room? 30 USD per night.
>>2876857Are you retarded? IQ is normalized based on age. And pisa is a nothingburger because it's based on how hard they study
>>2876857> Except that if you look at the age ranges in that chart you'll notice that Vietnam only surveyed childrenLiterally doesn’t fucking matter. Virtually every score you see on these so called "global IQ lists" are of children.To actually test your how knowledgeable you are on the matter, explain how the scores are actually derived. I’ve asked this question to smart asses here who are the most vocal about IQ tests. Literally none of them can actually answer it.Didn’t read the rest because you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>2876870I tend to agree PISA is not a good representation. As a country wide test with a huge sample pool, it should have a uniform score. Yet we can see fluctuations like falling scores or improvements. For instance Ireland scores very high despite being a bunch of drunk room temp IQ fucks.Brunei is also remarkably better than most of SEA, despite being a tiny tribal kingdom.Iceland is consistently also scoring way below the norm rate of their national IQ scores.There are just so many factors that make it unreliable as something to gauge a nation’s intellect. Then there are countries that are known to restrict the tests to elite cities, like China.
>>2876868>$30 what the fuck?I thought you could still get consistently decent rooms for $15 there? I paid $25 for a decent one in Da Nang.
>>2876892For all the shit america gets, the top 10% of their pisa scores are comparable to top 10% of countries with much higher averagesSome countries have a uniform curriculum which raises the floor of their average, some countries have accelerated routes and customized learning based on skill level which lowers their overall averages but raises the averages of their upper echelon
>>2876761Sounds like you simply didn't bother to explore Thailand. The transport corridors of Thailand, where the principal cities are located, are the least appealing parts of the country. But in Vietnam, you can find plenty worth seeing along the major coastal highways, with the occasional detour inland along a well-travelled loop.
>>2876893Vietnam is also famous for transactional dishonesty, much more so than Thailand. Thais are rigidly ritualistic, especially in the provinces. They are not interested in hustle or glib talk to milk a foreigner of his money This makes it enjoyable to do business in Thailand much more so than in other countries. Especially for somebody like me who speaks very little. I dislike having to bullshit around with "friendly" locals who are seeing if they can pull one over on me.
>>2876893>I thought you could still get consistently decent rooms for $15 there?I found many of those a year ago. Now when I go back they're booked solid.I think what happened is the brokies, Russians, and white women have also found the cheap good hotels and now live in them.
I haven't been to Thailand, but I've been to Vietnam twice.>Ho Chi MinhLoud, chaotic, smoggy, lots of trash, rude locals.Really good food. Some decent bars, live music, shopping options.Has the big party street (Bui Vien) and the Hostess Girl area (Japan Town). These areas are awash with whiteys (mostly boomers) looking for Viet "girlfriends." Many of them find them, too. Core memory is a boomer sitting down with a Viet woman at the table next to me. He tells me his wife let's him do whatever he wants in Vietnam. Moments later, the Viet woman recognizes her friend who is with a different boomer and invites them to sit with them. Both boomers were Australian.Personally, I've been to HCMC twice and mostly hated it each time. I would never return.>HanoiAll of the negatives of HCMC are softened and all of the positives enhanced. Which is to say, Hanoi still has issues but they're much more manageable. In addition, Hanoi has better historic architecture, museums, and culture.>Rural Dong Nai ProvinceThe third place I went to was a rural area in Dong Nai, near HCMC. Not much to say, other than I would never return. It wasn't rural in that way that """REAL""" travelers pretend that 'authentic like the locals' travel is. It was just boring.I don't think I would go back to Vietnam. But if I did, I want to try out Da Nang and Ha Giang. And all that said, Vietnam is actually making progress to not being a third world shithole. I could see the change between my two trips.
I would like to go to Hanoi but the air quality looks like it's just so bad.
I really wanted to move to Bangkok and work remote (wow how fucking original right) but I need to get a TEFL job while I figure out how to best make money online, and after doing research it looks like I might be better off going to HCMC for that because those easy 15 hour week jobs are more common over there and I want to have as much time to work on my own stuff as I canDo you also find those easy low hour jobs in Bangkok or not really? All listings I've seen are full time or at least require onsite presence 40 hours a week
>>2877049>>Ho Chi MinhLoud, chaotic, smoggy, lots of trash, rude locals.Really good food. Some decent bars, live music, shopping options.You sound like the typical retard who never ventured out of the most touristy areas on D1. How shocking.
>>2877036Most tourists make their hotel bookings weeks if not months in advance. There is a stark divide between high demand destinations where rates soar for last minute bookings - if rooms are even available - and low demand destinations where rates plunge a day or two before check-in.
>>2877220It was in danang. I typically made my bookings a day before or day of check in. I found some places that were great rooms. Clean, not moldy, airy, natural light, quiet, close to nice cafes and stuff, etc and were even only like 20 down to 15 dollars per night. Going back there recently I left after just about a week or so because I was frustrated with how hard it was to find places on such short notice, if even almost anything available at all, and was pushed into paying 30-40 per night for a frequently dumpy room. Couldn't stay in any of my old choice rooms because they were all booked solid every time I checked.I saw rooms available at different hotels for like $60-70 but I don't consider danang worth that price so wasn't willing to pay and left town instead.
>>2876905No not really, only place outside of Bangkok and Phuket I wanted to see that I missed was Chang Mai. I had a limited time of two weeks to visit and didn't really want to go galavanting into the rice paddies of Thailand so I had to prioritize my time on the beaten trails and more popular places because that was what I wanted to see anyways.
>>2877238How many ladyboys did you try?
I lived in HCMC for three years. I've since lived in Bangkok for four years. My wife is Singaporean Vietnamese and I speak the language fairly well. Thailand mogs Vietnam hardcore for everything except immigration paperwork/convenience. Vietnam is insanely noisy and polluted. Food sanitation is a foreign concept; both of us routinely got food poisoning even when eating from expensive restaurants. My wife's mom, born and raised in Saigon, literally got severe food poisoning/indigestion pretty much every month. The honking is infuriating and Vietnamese people drive like maniacs (Thais actually obey traffic laws but drive much faster, which is why they're killed in accidents more often). The cities are some of the least walkable on earth. Vietnamese cuisine is probably better than Thai in a vacuum, but it is much harder to find an actual decent eatery in Vietnam compared to Thailand. Most places are dogshit and will make you sick. Scams are practically a way of life; on our most recent trip we had four consecutive accommodations cancel on us and offer to take us to an "alternative" location instead. The worst part about Vietnam, one that most foreigners are insulated from, are the people. They're insanely rude and brainrotted. People who don't speak Vietnamese really don't realize how genuinely nasty, contemptuous, and vitriolic most Vietnamese people are, even to strangers. They're obsessed with money and hustling to an absurd degree. Vietnamese women are utterly vacuous and quite literally spend all day scrolling TikTok, ordering useless cheap shit on Shopee, and taking pictures at overpriced Instagram cafes.
Traveling in Vietnam usually sucks mostly because of terrible travel infrastructure, scummy low-cost airlines, and scams. No one will ever speak English and they will repeatedly pretend not to understand you even if you speak Vietnamese. Granted most foreigners and are legitimately unintelligible, but even if you speak the language proprely people will pretend to be retarded just for fun. For example, one day when we were traveling I went down to the shop to get a bag of sugar for our morning coffee. I couldn't find it, so I asked the clerk where the "đường" was. Blank stare to a completely normal question. I asked again, and the girl pointed at the street. Đường in Vietnamese can mean both sugar and street...except why the fuck would someone come into the store and ask where the street is? Fucking morons. Most recently when we were there, I went to a cafe and asked for a phin coffee with sữa tươi (fresh milk) instead of sữa đặc (condensed milk), and they served me a shot of espresso with a vial of condensed milk on the side. i.e. neither of the two things that I asked for, and also not a real drink. Then they told me what I asked for what impossible because it wasn't on the menu. Fucking apes.Anyways whatever, I'm too tired to complain more. I have my fair share of problems in Thailand but I will literally never go back to Vietnam unless I'm forced to.
