Looking for opinions on Argentina. I am looking at options for living long term part time (5.5 months) away from Canada. With the possibility of making a permanent move in the future. Background: Retired CAF with a substantial retirement combined with injury pension. Would just be me and my teenage son travelling.Funding wise, I clear approx $6000 USD/month after taxes.What's the internet access like in the rural areas?I plan on renting a car for mobility as I hate public transport.What's the best places for rural living where I can enjoy the Gaucho culture?Are there any places I might be priced out of living?Thanks
>>2876976Come to Jujuy
>>2876976go there and get robbed fat dumb boomer faggit
>>2876976i dont recommend a permament residence there, taxes are absurd (so keep your canadian fiscal residence ).Uruguay also has rural areas and the taxes are cheaper, i recommend it (plus they have programs just for your situation).Argentina is big so a car is a mist but every car there is rather expensive due to taxes, renting a car is not cheap in the long run.Going back to your question, Argentina has Starlink so get that, the gaucho lifestyle is associated with living in the middle of the country (places like Cordoba, La Pampa or Santa Fe) though i reccomend the south (like Neuquen).You will get priced out of living in dense metropolitan areas like Buenos Aires but its not what you're looking for.Still, I recommend Uruguay (maybe even southern Brazil) but if you're dead set, knock yourself out (talk to an accountant so you dont get scalped through taxes).
That's a lot of money to live here. As for gaucho lifestyle you also have Corrientes, and a bit less Entre Rios, both are humid a kind of hot places. Buenos Aires tooDo you have some climate or geography preference? This country is really big and diverse
>>2876976>What's the internet access like in the rural areas?Get Starlink and you won't have to deal with any issues.>Are there any places I might be priced out of living?I was kind of shocked at how expensive Buenos Aires was. I mean, the average wage there is only about $350/month. Food is 20% higher than in the U.S. (and I don't mean "at a fancy restaurant", I mean grocery stores and Wendy's). Rentals, I don't have a good handle on them because "tourist price" but even a cheap hotel was $55/night (and the more expensive hotels didn't offer anything better to make them worth higher prices).Mar del Plata is supposed to be nice if you want ocean.If you need to cash out any Bitcoin, I only found a single currency exchange that would do it for me. A few places handled USDT on the TRON chain (TRC20).>>2877016The place felt pretty safe to me, but then again, I stayed in the nice part of BA.
>>2877198>stay in the bubble and pay USA prices to live in the third world>leave the bubble and look stupid and get robbed
>>2876976What's the internet access like in the rural areas?starlinkI plan on renting a car for mobility as I hate public transport.ok but in BA public transport is betterWhat's the best places for rural living where I can enjoy the Gaucho culture?South if u wanna be alone, Entre Rios if u want populated rural areaAre there any places I might be priced out of living?Palermo, Belgrano, Recoleta, San Telmo.Bariloche.6000 is stupid money to live, i use 1300 monthly and i spend a lot on bullshit>>2877198get out of tourist traps and youll see how cheaper it getsFUCK mar del plata its literally a shithole, go to pinamar if u want a good beachthere are a lot of exchange houses that will take your usd or your crypto and give u a good ammount of money
I was just there on holiday so take my limited view. Buenos Aires is a very cool party city but not really cheap. If you have a child then perhaps you won't take advantage of that anyway. Do you speak Spanish? You better if want to have a great time. I loved BA and Patagonia for a holiday. I have heard of people doing the digital nomad thing in BA. For living there I reckon you would really need to embrace the lifestyle and learning Spanish. The rest you could overcome easily.
>>2877678>there are a lot of exchange houses that will take your usd or your crypto and give u a good ammount of moneyPractically none of them take "crypto". The few who do almost all only take USDT-TRON. I only found one willing to take Bitcorn (their sign also indicated Ethereum was allowable but I didn't try it). I didn't find any willing to take anything else.
>>2879473>their signI think you need to talk to people to find an unofficial exchange, aka cava, that deals with crypto, but I still wouldn't expect them to trade much other than btc/eth
I'm Argentinan my mom says but I'll never go there
>>2877041>You will get priced out of living in dense metropolitan areas like Buenos Aires but its not what you're looking for.Why do you fucking underage kids come here and just post blatant disinfo? His income is 6k a month. You can live upper class lifestyle in Buenos Aires for 2k a month.
>>2879475>I think you need to talk to people to find an unofficial exchange, aka cava, that deals with crypto, but I still wouldn't expect them to trade much other than btc/ethWhat the fuck do you think the places I went to were? It's "cueva" by the way. These businesses are all out in the open, it's not like they're hiding underground to avoid being arrested by the government.I'm just going to reiterate: hardly any of them take anything other than USDT-TRON, literally the only one I found is one a few blocks from Plaza Serrano. I should also note that only one of their employees understood enough about Bitcoin to handle a transaction. It was kind of hilarious trying to get the others to understand that, no, the bitcoin address on their exchange that I had to send the BTC to was not, in fact, supposed to be a deeply-held secret that they should hide from me.I hope this doesn't get them swarmed with shitcoiners or assholes:Pagolinea, Cabrera 5001, BA, AR 54 9 11 7634-9233>>2879496Sad, it's a nice place. They're not going to gulag you for being a dual citizen. (You're not an illegal alien hiding out in the U.S., are you?)
>>2876976well with that sort of income you can live wherever you want, you can find Gaucho culture by just going to the interior of Buenos Aires, the province is huge and full with little towns of 10K-50K people. But honestly once you settle over here just get a pickup truck and travel everywhere. La pampa, the south, the patagonia, everything is really beautiful and pretty safe. The only dangerous zone is just the conurbano and some ugly neighborhoods in the capital
>>2883014>The only dangerous zone is just the conurbanoWhat and where is that?
>>2883060It's the metropolitan area around Buenos Aires. Some parts are nice, some are absolute shitholes.
>>2883222Thanks! Also, nice trips.
>>2877198Argentina has become drastically pricier as a tourist destination under the new president, who is Jewing everything to the max. The old hack of using black-market exchange rates to get everything for dirt cheap is history. You missed the gravy train. So did I. It sucks, but what can you do.
>>2883431I didn't really care about the price since I'm a rich Amerifat, I was more concerned that the locals can't even afford to eat. I've read that the average wage there is something like $600/month (but that's only for official jobs, and a lot of people only have "informal work"), yet groceries and even fast food were 20% higher prices than in the U.S.
>>2883431argentina was always an expensive destination because of how far it is from everywhere else
>>2883490It used to be cheap to live a decent life here
>>2877041>i dont recommend a permament residence there>>2877066>That's a lot of money to live hereAnons sorry if it's not exactly the right board, but I guess closest to discussing my problem. I want to get another citizenship, because generally boomers at power in eurofag countries went crazy about military conscription. No need for lifelong residence, but the plan is to get whatever citizenship I can, so atl I can flash a foreign passport at the border, if shit hits the fan. And Argentina requires only 2 years iirc? I have BSc Biology, and I'm doing Linux certification for helpdesk/sysadmin in IT as backup skill, and now both academia and industry have taken a nosedive. Not fun. If it cames to that I also drove forklifts and such but ig nobody needs imigrants for that kind of minimal wage jobs... Unlike in OP's situation, it's important that one of requirements for citizenship is ability to hold employment, so any neetbux I might have won't help me there. But if you say main cities are expensive to live.. do you think moving for 2 years and looking for jobs relevant to my experience would make any sense?
>>2883790they don't even have enough jobs for argentinians. the chances they will have a job for you is minimal. as always the best route is to marry some old slut.
>>2883790>And Argentina requires only 2 years iirc?Looks like it, they must have lowered it since the last time I checked (I'm sure it used to be three years).>>2883790>do you think moving for 2 years and looking for jobs relevant to my experience would make any sense?Just jobhunting while living off savings? I don't know if you could get a resident visa for that. Maybe study in one of their universities? Or maybe you could get a remote job doing some sort of customer service job, especially if you're fluent in multiple languages. Last time I stayed in a motel in the U.S., the Poo running the place just sat behind a counter doing nothing while everyone was forced to check in using a video kiosk; the kiosk had some white guy on the screen doing everything remotely. Apparently it's one of those on-demand things where the wagie gets bombarded with guest check-ins and has zero downtime. On the plus side, the Poo was far enough away that we could barely notice his smell.
>>2883790>And Argentina requires only 2 years iirc?That is 2 years of not leaving the country at all or the clock resets, and I think they're changing it to where you actually need a valid visa those 2 years, not just showing up and overstaying indefinitely. It's still a good country to flee to if necessary though, because you'll never, ever get deported if you aren't a muslim terrorist or real infamous criminal asshole
>>2883222>Quilmes>High social progressHello Mayra
>>2884540lit. whmst.?
viva la raza
>>2876976Hearing Uruguay is better and has an actual visa for people like you.Also hearing Rio Grande do Sul and Santa Catarina are pretty European demographically if you're into that.
>>2885945Mayra Breckenridge. She was the first tranny.
>>2887046>looks up nameThat was apparently a 1970s era movie and apparently it sucked.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myra_Breckinridge_(film)>it received little to no critical praise and has been cited as one of the worst films ever made.[5]
>>2876976There is a lot of mis-info you've been getting from people that probably don't even live here.I migrated with my family here 10 years ago, we live in buenos aires, our life expenses for a family of 4 is around 1000 usd which includes rent, services, food and transportation, some services are free even for migrants, that's school and healthcare so your son could be going to school or university for free, food is really cheap if you are willing to cook it, internet in rural areas is alright if the rural areas are near buenos aires, cordoba or rosario, i don't know about rural areas somewhere else but starlink works i suppose. Now, cars are VERY EXPENSIVE, so you may want to buy a used car that's old, at least 20 years old so you don't have to pay its patent which is around 4% of the car's price yearly
>>2888746>food is really cheapin buenos aires? that was not my experience
>>2888836Let me guess, you mostly ate in restaurants/takeout/deliveries or bought beef/chicken/vegetables/fruit at a supermarket while living one of the most expensaive place of buenos aires like palermo, puerto madero, belgrano or nuñez?I went to the fruit shop the other day and spent about 10 bucks (15000 pesos) for a carton of eggs (30 eggs for 6000 pesos) and about 10 kilos of vegetables and fruit (potatoes, carrots, onions, peppers, bananas, apples, lemons) and i live in buenos aires
>>2888883did you go to the chino?
>>2888901No, i just took a 30 minute trip deeper into GABA (Moron's market) to buy all that, if i went to a supermarket i'd have spent more than twice that amount, things are way cheaper if you go even deeper into GABA like Moreno.In general, you want to buy most of your groceries (that's vegetables, fruits, eggs and meats in general) in fruit's shops or butcher's shop or just in a market like the one i mentiones to buy more for less, then you go to the supermarket to buy things like pasta, rice, cleaning products etc ... because the prices of those products don't change too much between places in the city
>>2888883So basic eggs and vegetables prices drop sharply if I'm outside of Palermo? Good to know, next time I'm planning on staying in Mar del Plata.
>>2888836Food extremely expensive in Buenos Aires for everything except steaks in grocery stores, a candy bar or a bag of chips same price as a half pound ribeye, big Mac cost as much as 2 Ribeyes. Restaurants absurd pricing
>>2889315Yes, they drop in price exponentially and that is also the case for meats and dairy products if you live in a more rural place, food is dirt cheap and high quality if you look for it, the things that are expensive in argentina are owning vehicles and rent (if in the city), services are expensive if you want to pay for them because education is free by law (even for migrants) and healthcare is free for argentinians and residents (it used to be free for everybody, even migrants before Milei was a president). Electricity and gas (not petrol) is still cheap because it's still subsidized but Milei is trying to cut down those subsidies, gasoline/petrol prices are international so they are as expensive as everywhere else
>>2889336restaurants in BA suck. they charge you for the napkins and you don't get anything with your steak. every side, even a salad is extra.
>>2889362and the "salad" is literally lettuce with some shaved carrots on it
>>2889353>healthcare is free for argentinians and residents (it used to be free for everybody, even migrants before Milei was a president)I was there a year ago and /trv/ was telling me that healthcare was free even for tourists. Has that changed in the last year?
>>2889509>ffs exactly one year ago goddammit I haven't traveled in a year now fml I gotta get out of this place before I go nuts
>>2889362>>2889364Bullshit. I had some fucking amazing full multicourse meals while I was in BA, including giant salads with all sorts of stuff in them. I've posted about my favorite before, see picrelated, near Plaza Serrano.Cost of a giant meal there including a caesar salad, smoked ribs, bread basket, some sort of vermouth drink, coleslaw, and some vegetables apparently meant as relish for the ribs, was around $32 to $36 depending on the exchange rate on the day I went.Can't find my camera but I have a few photos of the food from off my laptop. It'll take a minnit to get them on this computer.
>>2889514The ribs and two of the three relishes
>>2889515coleslaw, included with the ribsI'll acknowledge that the caesar salad was a separate menu item. The bread and vermouth drink and relishes were all part of the smoked ribs dinner, as were the napkins (I even asked for extra to take with me because they were the most luxurious napkins I've ever encountered). There might have been more but I don't remember offhand.
Just to add another good restaurant:Al Arabe, corner of Thames and ElSalvador, Palermo districtThe major items were all sold separately, but the dip was included with the cheese pillows, and the sauces were included with the shawarma.>I passed by Al Arabe and it smelled so good that I went in there instead of another place I'd planned on. I was glad I changed my mind. The sandwich was easily the best of any of the shawarma joints I tried, although it could use some more salad thrown into it. The hummus was likewise flavorful and well-spiced. They had some sort of cheese-ravioli things, IIRC called "queso bolak" or something like that, which were something like ricotta inside a pie-crust type wrapper, with a sour cream sort of dip to accompany. Al Arabe also included three sauces to put on the shawarma, one of which was moderately spicy, one which was basically a yogurt or sour cream sauce, and one which was intermediate, all good.
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>>2889518>>2889519Oh yeah, the hummus came with bread included (of course).
>>2889514>>2889518Some other places I went to that were solid:"Kansas", a steak place near the so-called Chinatown aka "barrio chino" or something like that"Le Reve", a French restaurant, good french onion soup"La Boqueria", corner of Soler and Fray Justo Sta. Maria de Oro, best caesar salad I've ever had, good ribs"Burger Joint", best hamburgers"La Condesa" near the Armenian park, nice place to relax and watch people at the park.Honorable mention: a place called something like "Burger Reye" adjacent to the little park in Plaza Serrano. Very late at night, maybe it was just Fridays/Saturdays, they had a DJ and dancing. Might be out of business since Google Maps isn't turning it up, or maybe I've just botched the name so badly that it can't find the place.NOT worth going to: Nino Gordo (bland and way overpriced, not to mention tiny portions), Katsu Asian Street Food (flavorless).
>>2889514>was around $32 to $36 depending on the exchange rate on the day I wentI'm assuming that day was before 2024?
>>2889514That's outside of /trv/ budget for a meal, anon
>>2889509Milei made it so that tourist have to pay for medical insurance if i remember correctly
>>2889516it might be because you went to an american restaurant. the food you're talking about here isn't argentinian. if you went to a steak restaurant, all you get with a steak order is the steak.
>>2889533I already posted that my trip was one year ago. In point of fact, Foga Ahumados opened on June 25th or 26th 2025 and I happened to find it on June 28th.I found that basic food was more expensive than in the U.S., but fancy restaurants were extremely cheap. Argies just can't afford to go out regularly for high-end dining. That might be changing now that monetary inflation has been stable for the last nine months and counting.One of the odd little surprises I found was that every single hotel room I rented, and these were the cheapest I could find that weren't hostels, all had kitchens and basic cooking utensils and tableware in them so that people could cook their own meals and not have to go out to restaurants. I've never even once stayed in a U.S. hotel or motel that did that. I've seen signs for motels that advertised "kitchenettes" but those were rare and I can't even remember the last time I saw one, maybe 20-30 years ago.>>2889549I mean, yeah, but compared to the U.S. I would have expected easily a $80 tab for that meal.
>>2889743LOL. Nope, Foga Ahumados was solidly Argie. What, you Argies think you don't have steakhouses?"Kansas" was obviously American-style just based on the name. Pretty good, but Foga was tops. Go try it.
>>2889768>That might be changing now that monetary inflation has been stable for the last nine months and counting.>
>>2876976Is it good if you trynna nut ?
>>2889816I know a korean boomer in his 70s who swears by it. He's alpha and was a seaman and knows italian opera singing and shit tho.
>>2889792https://www.google.com/search?q=usdarsSeptember 18 2025: 1474 to US$1June 18 2026: 1451 to US$1They've actually experienced DEFLATION in that timeframe. Sure, the daily rate is bouncing up and down, but there are actual down days now instead of a pure hyperbolic curve upwards like it was pre-Milei.
>>2889946Prices continued increasing during this time and now everything is more expensive both for tourists and locals.
>>2889946And that's why it's no longer ultra-cheap for foreigners. There is no more black market caves offering 2500 pesos per dollar anymore. The idea of going to a well-developed but crime-ridden shithole like Argentina with a huge wad of $100 bills had me ultimately decide to go to Asia instead. But those were really the golden days for Americans with the balls to fly into Argentina loaded with USD cash and exploit everything to the fullest.
>>2890787>well-developed but crime-ridden shithole like ArgentinawatCrime there is low compared to everywhere but Canada and El Salvador. It's one of the safest countries in the world.
>>2891832>he thinks they record crime in El Salvador in Argentina