>>2881314
Won't count for much on a resume if you come back home. Flights home are long. People who've never done it like to shit on it online. Outside of that, I've had worse jobs for sure.

>>2881314
>I'm a loser so I'm going to Vietnam
Another one! No wonder people there watch and shit talk foreigners.

>>2881314
It's way harder than being a burger flipper wagey and pays less. If you're bad with money it's good because it puts you in a low cost of living location where you can't spend it. If you're good with money it's better to be a sous chef at Wendy's in Portland or whatever and be totally free when you travel

>>2881314
The golden years are long gone. The weebs that do it in Japan are in absolute poverty. Because the cost of living is so low in Vietnam, you might be able to afford a better life there. Even then, you will still be pretty poor. I'd be surprised if you'd break 2k USD there. That being said, I'd rather have 2k in Vietnam than Japan. I tutor online full-time at $24 hr which is decent as long as you don't live in a western country. I'm planning to start an online master's program in the fall for either Instructional Design or Education Technology.

>>2881383
>shit talk foreigners
Why would I give a shit what Trang the Grab delivery monkey thinks? 95% of the SE Asian economy runs on the back of a Honda Wave. They can cope and seethe all they like.
>>2881386
Disagree. I've never taught at a school in SE Asia, but I could see a White moving to a smaller town/village, working their way up in a school, learning the language, marrying a local, call it a life, and being comfortable while doing so. You are going to struggle hard to make ends meet as a burger flipper. You'll have to deal with joggers and fatties all day. You could work your way into management, but those guys are always stressed out and look pretty unhappy.

>>2881405
maybe from a quality of life perspective you have a point but in terms of earnings potential burger flipper wins. In a US city burger flippers make like $24 an hr and an English teacher can hope for $10 an hr at best. It's also not customer facing unless you're a cashier and get tips

>>2881409
>English teacher can hope for $10 an hr at best
Where? Maybe in a small Thai village where rent costs you $250 a month and a lunch runs $1.50. You can make double that in S. Korea easily.
Living in a city as a burger flipper might pay a bit better, but the CoL is going to eat up those extra dollars per hour. I'd rather proctor an exam in a classroom or do some worksheets than stand in front of a deep fryer for 8 hours.
It's anybody's guess how the TEFL market changes (or even exists) in the 2030s and beyond. I expect it will be rather grim, which is why I'm preparing for that now. I'm also a fundie so I'm not completely fucked. I probably wouldn't advise a new grad to try to make a career out of it unless they immediately start upping their credentials with a DELTA or Master's. Even then, there are better paths for working abroad in the future, such as healthcare.

>>2881413
in korea you're working 40 hours (at least) in a hagwon and making 2.1 mil krw. basically $10/hr. You're not proctering shit. Yeah if you have double digit IQ you will come out ahead teaching English because midwits cant into cost of living optimizations, but if you have triple digit IQ it's better to work in the US then come play after you make your money

>>2881383
Why is he not allowed to go to Vietnam without a non-blue collar job exactly?

I work in Thailand. I make about 120k baht after tax and get quite a bit of vacation. My job is pretty chill; four hours of teaching per day (I usually give them breaks and end up teaching less), no office or admin work, I can come in late and leave early, and don't have a supervisor. Thai labor law also gives us 30 sick days no questions asked, so I just take off if I don't feel like coming to work. It's a great job but they have high requirements and do expect good results. I have a DELTA and a masters. Bangkok is a bit of a concrete jungle. I like it here but I wouldn't want to settle down.

It's a great job/lifestyle if you upskill and distinguish yourself from the riffraff. Otherwise you're stuck in burger flipping hell for the rest of your life. Vietnam is okay if you're just starting out but the cities will wear you out after a while. I lived there for 4 years and my wife is Vietnamese. Wages are getting worse and a lot of the better jobs have dried up. International school teaching can also be a good option if you're willing get the qualifications, but it's getting increasingly competitive and there are probably more shit international schools than language schools.

Anyways I would say just go for it and see what happens. If you're unhappy you can always go home.

Does burger flipping anon have a point? I'm very frugal but I can't deal with being at the bottom of the hierarchy at my age of 30. I *feel like less of a loser over in Vietnam. I'm a hard worker but my body is falling apart. ADHD.

>>2881440
>I'm very frugal but I can't deal with being at the bottom of the hierarchy at my age of 30.
Literally no one cares. In NYC my peak earning month was over $5k, I got hired to work a multiweek event and got a lot of overtime. Even in Korea english teachers are lucky to clear $1.5k, I can imagine in neighboring countries besides China it's well below that. I'd rather do 6 months busting my ass working in a kitchen in the US, 7 days a week OT maxxing as much as possible, and then rest for a few years after. Being an English teacher, it's a crapshoot whether or not you can even enjoy the country. By the end of the day you'll be too tired to do anything. English teachers never have time to learn the language or learn the culture. And hierarchy be damned, flipping burgers or security guard or whatever min wage job you can get in America, is subjectively more fun and less stressful than teaching kids in a foreign country.

>>2881441
Even if you get paid between 1.5k and 2k in korea, you still get housing which is not insignificant

>>2881445
>you still get housing which is not insignificant
It's really not that much. The standard overpriced one room they give is worth $350. You can find something on your own that's equivalent for $200. The other problem is they have you by the balls and always hang it over your head. You have no freedom to quit and switch employers.

>>2881445
if they pay a housing allowance you should get your own. The accom provided is often pretty shit and you can get better yourself. Just be prepared to fork over a couple of grand US$ worth in Korean Won for the "key money" and pay around $400-$500 US, which is approx what I got per month as a lump sum anyways and you can get a half decent studio apartment with a bit of room. I had mine a few blocks up from Gwangalli Beach in Busan with a subway entrance right out the front door. It was the best move I could have made.

>>2881445
It is beyond brutal that the salary has not changed in decades. Bullshit these places are not making enough money to keep pace with the cost of living. Enjoy you rice bowl with gochujang packets as the only meal you can afford.

>>2881440
With the war going on, recruitment standards should be relaxed. You could join the Space Force, Air Force. I'd include Navy, but the ships seem to be sitting ducks atm. Army actually has a lot of POG jobs probably waiting to be filled that will never see combat.

>>2881491
commitment too big. you have to spend years doing that

>>2881314
I am thinking about going to Asia to do TEFL, only thing is idk about handling being away from home for a year, i'm 32 so I feel like my clock is ticking for this sort of thing, and I have done a few 2 month stint trips abroad. I work freelance so nobody will give a shit if I disappear for a year in Asia. Anons who have done TEFL before, what was the experience like? Good? bad? fun? Need a little reprieve from the US for a while.

My balls stink up whatever room I'm in

>>2881514
>Anons who have done TEFL before, what was the experience like? Good? bad? fun? Need a little reprieve from the US for a while.
Dancing monkey slave shit, and that was when the dollar was weaker and salaries were higher and inflation was less. The dollar is so strong it makes no sense to do it now. Go if/when the dollar weakens. If you never go don't go fomo. You're not missing out on anything.

>>2881539
Dancing monkey slave shit you say? Hmm, what country and what type of a school were you at when you did it? Think I won't miss out on anything in life if I skip doing TEFL?

>>2881542
I've lived in Asia for about 5 years. I only did the English teaching thing for 2 weeks. It was in a hagwon in Korea in 2020
If you want to disappear to Asia for a year, disappear on your own terms and keep your dignity and sovereignty intact

>>2881544
2 weeks?! Damn son, that tells me right there it doesn't seem like it is worth it to teach English. Though I have heard Korean hagwons specifically are ass compared to other schools. But my interest is in Taiwan, not Korea.

>>2881314
I got offered a TEFL+history teacher job at an elementary school in Beijing, 22k RMB/month which is like 3200 dollars
I'm 22 and graduated this year, don't really want to do it because it seems like a dead end

>>2881549
tier 2 office wagies in china make like 4k rmb. idk about beijing but that salary is insane. if you want to live in china and you have no better options might as well go for it. Can always frame it as a gap year if something better turns up

OP here. I'm starting to get cold feet. I don't want to come back even more unhirable than now. Is staying here in the US working as a hotel night desk staff for $13/hr better? I can live with family.

>>2881542
>>2881569
Not that guy, but the stuff they are referring to is singing "Head, Shoulders, Knees, and Toes" to a bunch of preschoolers. I have taught at a middle school, high school, and 3 eikawas.
The worst was an eikawa was actually owned by a British guy, but I bailed on that at the first opportunity.
When I was there, the exchange rate was fine, housing was paid for, and I was stashing away some money. Now the exchange rate is awful, they are paying teachers less than ever, while making them work longer hours. The teachers taking these shit contracts are from places like Malaysia and Mexico.
I tried teaching ,but it was a tough transition from Asian kids to American schools. So I eventually got an office job. Is my office job under HR ladies and girlbosses more demeaning or less demeaning than occasionally teaching little kids English? I would say teaching (overseas) was more rewarding, less demeaning and less boring than what I do now.
In the eikaiwas I got to meet interesting people, see them progress in English, and make friends from all over the world.
What I didn't get to do was spend time with friends and family back home much. Too expensive and too much of a hassle to fly back for every holiday.
TEFL is universally hated online, even the cretins at /r/japanlife shit on it to make themselves feel better.

Does a year of tefl look better on a resume than fast food or retail?