What are some nice cheap and affordable secondary cities and towns in America to live in? For me, as long as it has a grocery store, internet and some bars, thats nice enough for me.Although no deserts, flat plains or anything near the ocean.
>>2885403None. Stay in your own country.
>>2885410California isn't a country though.
>>2885403It's bad minmaxxing to try to find a cheap American city. Take advantage of the absurdly high wages
america is just a series of low effort disappointmentsyou might find some nice small businesses but most towns and cities are terrified of original architecture, bright colors, and risky, creative ideasamerica is very safe and conformistI've traveled around looking for such a thing, you can find cute expensive resort towns, or cheap falling apart towns, but never both.
>>2885403you dont need to live in a city to have interent and bars. any town over 5k has that.
>>2885433>but most towns and cities are terrified of original architecture, bright colors, and risky, creative ideasyeah i dont care about that. just need somewhere with nice landscape, no deserts, and is cheap to live. if it has a bar and internet good enough for me.>>2885435thats exactly what im looking for.
>>2885433It's called practical. When you have lot of flat land, plenty of water, and no overcrowding there's just no pressure to get creative with architecture. There are no problems to solve beyond the essential.
>>2885403Americans have to gatekeep these things because if NGOs and the government find out they will literally flag the town for resettlement of 1 million Somali or Haitian refugees. They've destroyed countless nice cities since LBJ formalized using minorities as a Democrat voting bloc. A little life hack would be to check the 2020 Census Bureau and put a circle around any city with a low percentage of Blacks/African Americans. Not saying they're incapable of living in a nice community. Just saying for the most part, the places they live are violent, 3rd world-tier shit holes.I just wish they had access to more education and free govt money to fix this /s.
>>2885425>It's bad minmaxxing to try to find a cheap American city. Take advantage of the absurdly high wagesLive with my parents in one of the high wage states, but as you can guess, that means homes here are unaffordable. That is why I am looking to buy a house, maybe small apartment, outright in one of these smaller cities or towns.
>>2885514>Live with my parents in one of the high wage states, but as you can guess, that means homes here are unaffordable. That is why I am looking to buy a house, maybe small apartment, outright in one of these smaller cities or towns.You can buy a house in another country for $10k or less
Literally almost anywhere in America has what you are looking for. If you just want a cheap place with nice scenery. You could pay a little more and live in Oregon, or skimp on scenery and live in Iowa. It basically comes down to what climate you like.
You can literally rent a house in Kansas for the price of a small apartment in California
Rural America is grim. There is a reason there has been an exodus from small and medium sized towns. They are utterly soulless and depressing places to exist. Now there are exceptions and I'm sure plenty of people will come on here and point them out. 1. Jobs. One or two industries exist in these towns that may or may not pay a living wage. The rest is of the job market is minimum wage work often part time work in the supporting market, think grocery stores, restaurants, auto-parts store etc. 2. The people are hopeless. The only good people are the ones married with a family. The rest are either Geriatrics, burnouts or most commonly drug addicts. Anywho with ambition leaves, you feel this sentiment permeating through all of rural America. They are weary of new people and while they might show a smile on their face they don't trust you are don't want you around. Rural Americans have this forced sense of pride about their conditions. 3. Cost of living. Housing maybe cheap and but wages reflect that. You see people posting Zillow listings of decent 70K houses in towns with poverty rates pushing 50% and flaunt it as some sort of solution. Something isn't working in these places.You're better off in a suburb of a large American metro. Find one with a half way decent Main Street and enjoy the best of both worlds. Chicago for example has plenty. You do not want to live in small town America anon, It only works for people who grew up that way. Unless you already have the money and can buy a nice piece of property stay away.
>>2885572Not every small place not named LA or NYC has 50% poverty rate with 80% of the population on meth you dingus. America is vast and wide and those drug dens are unironically safer than you would living in something like LA.
>>2885475southern ohio
>>2885403>affordable>Americapick one
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>>2885572>. Chicago for example has plenty.and they are all expensive
>>2885591if i saved up 100 grand to buy this house, could i early semi-retire by working at the local pizza hut 3 days a week?
>>2885602sure and you'd have money left over for fentanyl
>>2885591that's why they don't want you to work remotely.
>>2885479>A little life hack would be to check the 2020 Census Bureau and put a circle around any city with a low percentage of Blacks/African Americans.You'll notice those places are mainly in heavily democratic areas, while red states are crime ridden and always have been. The top three for murder are all based trad right wing states. The lowest three murder rates are all nasty liberal hellholes that support NGOs.
>>2885591Place is in the 10th percentile for safety. Yikes.
>>2885433>>2885478The dude has seen what 5% of the US tops and is clearly working with a pea sized close minded brain.
>>2885479>>2885667These two dudes are about as retarded as you can get. Blacks are from the South. Brought there as slaves. The north freed them. The blacks in the south are heavily ostracized so they started moving to big cities in the north. The north ostracized them to ghettos too As for crime or staying away from blacks, you just stay out of the black part of town Here a song from the 70s to help explain the situation:https://youtu.be/hTLHxpUQ_B8
>>2885669is this good or bad?
>>2885548>live in Oregon, or skimp on scenery and live in Iowa.And, like every state Iowa has gems. I went to Quad Cities, Iowa and it was one of the most rich with scenery - the most beautiful babbling creeks all over, seemly every park is connected to one and they are some of the most beautiful walks I've done in my life. The wildlife was great too, lots of back squirrels and chipmunks. And the trees they have there are among my favorites I'm blonde hair blues eyes so one of the things that stood out to me is I've never seen as many blonde hair blue eyes people as they had. Swedish roots. You see people hanging the Sweden flag on their homes and the Swedes founded the university thereIts not far from Chicago, the red splotch SWW of Chicago here
>>2885667>WV one of the poorest states and heavy meth usage>Only, 1 point off from CaliforniaHow strange...I wonder why that is. Why is WV so relatively low despite being super poor and everyone is a crackhead down there. That doesn't add up...
>>2885514My buddy was in the exact same shoes as you last year. Someone mentioned jobs and cost of living but you need to break it down more than that. For example, auto insurance rates vary wildly by region and town. Part of the reason he wanted to move is because our car insurance rates soared in recent history. But yeah with cost of living, ask AI all the things you need to consider, find some good articles on it. Think of all the insurance you need and tax rates (property tax, sakes, tax, etc)After a lot of work he decided on Tennessee between Nashville and Knoxville where he found a house like this >>2885591
>>2885688And how is he living? Is it cheaper than where he was before? How is the crime in his area, is it as>>2885572says?
>>2885690OhThis dude here is one of dumbest dudes imaginable:>>2885572He's basically seething at how nice it is in rural America and telling you the opposite of reality just because he's a seething shithead like most people on hereRural America, small towns of 5k, they are basically all like heaven. In college when I first made friends with a lot of rural people, it became obvious fast rural people have it nicer than city people..City people turn out a lot more grouchy cynical, unlikable and the girls will be offended over a hug. Country people are the opposite, their girls love giving you tight full body, full breast-in-chest hugs. Its like the article I read by a city guy the other day he works in the city but always lives out in a town of 5k and he wrote a whole article on how much better 5k life is, it's well known hence why dude we are replying to is splurging out in pettiness (classic city person)But small town life has its downsides. The two I most hear are1) tight knit communities and small towns are great but a lot more people are going to know you, you're going to be much less anon. If you're not a likeable person living a likeable life, this could suck2) nothing to do. My friend who has only lived in big city suburbs can't make it in a small town because they don't have all the stuff you take for granted in the suburbs. For her it's coffee shops on every corner. With my friend that moved to Tennessee, he doesn't drink so he doesn't even care about bars. Now he does love food and to eat out so you need to make sure this small town has a nice collection of restaurants that you're happy with. But with him I don't even know he checked that, didn't come up but on his list of what he needs, he just had Walmart. He's basically a homebody so all he needs is to be by a Walmart as thats the place to get shit cheap.But think about Home Depot etc. Think of every place you won't feel right not having
>>2885587This. Broadly speaking Appalachia & many parts of the Midwest would fit the bill.>>2885602I bought a 1br house in southwestern PA for 95k last year. Its nothin fancy but my monthly payment is only $650
>>2885698And I should have said, I only put 10% down
>>2885698>I bought a 1br house in southwestern PA for 95k last year. Its nothin fancy but my monthly payment is only $650Nice. How is the internet and main street? I google map travel to some small towns and some have cute little main streets with bars and shops.>>2885696>With my friend that moved to Tennessee, he doesn't drink so he doesn't even care about bars. Now he does love food and to eat out so you need to make sure this small town has a nice collection of restaurants that you're happy with. But with him I don't even know he checked that, didn't come up but on his list of what he needs, he just had Walmart. He's basically a homebody so all he needs is to be by a Walmart as thats the place to get shit cheap.>But think about Home Depot etc. Think of every place you won't feel right not havingThanks yeah that seems right.
>>2885707>cute little main streetsThat's part of the reason I think the people above ragging small town, rural America are retarded. I'm very social so I love nightlife, my city has around 10 of those "cute little main streets" where all the nightlife is. I live right in the middle of one of themI quickly found out when I first drove around my state that my state has a lot of hidden gem cute little main streets were all the nightlife is, and most of them are in small little towns the anons ITT have never heard of. Then all my friends who moved to other states quickly found out the same thing when driving around their new states. And with the Internet and Google maps you can go look up tons about them. All those towns are peak walkable. Here on /trv/ I remember helping a guy moving to Fargo. Their cute little main street is awesome and it's pretty big as it's a college town. Helped him find a great spot on the cute little main street with everything in walking distance. Urban grocery on corner...I guess I forgot to check for hardware store. I have one of those on my cute little main street. Also a computer repair shop. Those I two I forgot to check for Fargo's cute little main Street
>>2885712>I quickly found out when I first drove around my state that my state has a lot of hidden gem cute little main streets were all the nightlife is, and most of them are in small little towns the anons ITT have never heard of.Nice, can you name a couple?
>>2885435its not 1975 anymore buddy. a city of 200k has the same amount of stuff going on as a small town in 1980
