Tired of my regular job and thinking about quitting to travel and live off odd jobs. Thinking about buying a relatively cheap house so I always have somewhere to come back to, letting a friend stay there and putting money aside for my mortgage every month. Probably going to ruin my retirement but I think that's off the table for most people now. Healthcare is one of my largest concerns as well because I won't have a full time job. Being able to actually see the world and live seems like the dream but I'm in my 30s now so I have to be realistic. Wondering if anyone else has tried this, or is currently living this life.
>>2886476cringe
Go up to Alaska and die unprepared and regretful like that one guy in the 90s.
>>2886476>live off odd jobsThey are a pain in the ass to line up. Demands from your clients can be very unpredictable and spaced out over days or weeks, giving you no time to wander around doing your own thing. I tried making money as a vagabond early on in my travels, but failed after making barely $300. (The earnings still saved my ass from going flat broke later on.) Settled seasonal work with dorm housing was the more sensible option; the resorts and retreats are used to hiring people from far away, unlike local yokel employment opportunities which don't want to risk anything on a random vagabond just passing through.In short, you should count on having no income when you are wandering around. Only when you pick a place to stay for a while will you have a chance of arranging profitable employment. And you need to make sure you have a place to shit, shower and get looking presentable on a daily basis. Gym memberships are a common go-to, but those franchise gyms are always found in the soulless suburban sprawl parts of the country, never in the areas worth exploring. >healthcare is my largest concernDon't be stupid, don't get hurt, don't get sick. Billions of people live without access to modern medicine. No, you don't need to go for a monthly checkup or any of that bullshit.
Also, are you planning on traveling America without a car looking for work? I'll be doing something similar this summer, starting in La Junta, Colorado after riding the Amtrak from Los Angeles. I might buy a second ticket to go farther. Many people say you have to have Facebook in order to join local groups, and that's where you ask for a place to stay on a weekly basis, who wants to hire a short-term/temp worker, all those kind of things. Rural Americans can be extremely helpful to a stranger, or they can act like you don't exist/your very existence is loathsome. It all depends on where in the country you are, and whether you look like a druggie (which yes includes pot smokers). If you want to smoke weed as a white vagabond in America, you might as well resign yourself to a lonely ostracized existence.Anyway, my dad has a lifelong friend in Chicago, so one idea for me is to connect with him and see if he can help me find a little cheap room somewhere in the city where I can make some money while continuing to own nothing. Without connections, vagabond life in America is so much more tiresome and aimless, even if you have a car that is capable of covering all those vast distances. Knowing people is the key to unlocking opportunity in 90% of cases. Otherwise, there is such a barrier of distrust due to your low economic class that you will feel like an outcast.
>>2886492> Thinking about buying a relatively cheap house so I always have somewhere to come back to, letting a friend stay there and putting money aside for my mortgage every month. Unless you can buy the house in full, then lease it out to friends for a passive income into a security savings account or cash for between odd jobs. This is how you go bankrupt and don't recover.You probably don't understand how good you have it in your "mundane" life. >Being able to actually see the world and live seems like the dream but I'm in my 30s now so I have to be realistic.Then change careers or jobs to something with travel or work remote as a focus rather than "yeah being a bum with odd jobs will totally pay the bills". Alternatively, go in for a seasonal trade type gig and live somewhere in the midwest. Doing HVAC, welding, roofing, etc can pay massive for 6-8 months with 4-6 months off.
>>2886492Seasonal work with housing was going to be my go to and living place to place like that. >>2886495My main thought was seasonal work and odd jobs on the side. I've family and friends all over the country so if need be I do have people to lean back on. >>2886496Can't buy it outright but the mortgage would probably be around $900 with my friend covering half. Figured I could at least scrounge $500 a month.
>>2886495you dont need connections to find a room in the city. open up craigslist to see where all the rooms are, then go there and call the numbers you see
>>2886499Yeah this is a perfect way to end up homeless and bankrupt with one simple trick
>>2886499>the mortgage would probably be around $900 with my friend covering half. Figured I could at least scrounge $500 a month.you're too dumb for the life you want
>>2886502Craigslist is full of scammers and creepy faggots in [current year]. Its days of being a useful site full of real humans are long gone. >>2886506Buying a cheap house (that needs a lot of TLC and investment) only to abandon it for the wandering life doesn't make sense. Buy an RV if you really must have a place of your own, but also want to wander around doing odd jobs and parking in people's back lots.
>>2886499>Can't buy it outright but the mortgage would probably be around $900 with my friend covering half. Figured I could at least scrounge $500 a month.So what happens when the roommate says he is leaving, or something in the house needs to be fixed like water/sewage/HVAC?How are you dealing with property taxes+insurance premiums for a mortgaged home?How are you going to secure a loan without a job?Who's job is it to cut the lawn and clean up so the city doesn't yell?500/mo is not guaranteed, especially if you're just doing day jobs and don't have a set of tools on you. Wow you can do basic manual labor and a US citizen so if you get hurt you will 100% sue me vs. pedro who is illegal and him getting hurt = he won't tell no body and stumble to the ER for free gibs.>>2886628>Buying a cheap house (that needs a lot of TLC and investment) only to abandon it for the wandering life doesn't make senseThe point is you buy a house in FULL so you don't have any monthly requirements, can homestead it if available in that state for lower taxes, and lower the overall insurance requirements that would suck away from your vagabond lifestyle and cause you to default. Yes banks are now far more aggro with blackrock being barred from buying/owning single family homes now.>Buy an RV if you really must have a place of your own, but also want to wander around doing odd jobs and parking in people's back lots.Enjoy going bankrupt even faster. A large van you can sleep in+planet fatass membership for showering+charging phones+hanging out works better.
>>2886628nah CL works fine
I've done this and kinda still do in a wayIgnore the retards responding to you. Sure it's not always easy but it's an adventure and they would never leave their basic life and comforts to even try. My advice is not to mortgage a home and let people live in it. Instead reduce your items to necessities, get a small shack somewhere you can buy outright, and don't expect to go anywhere and find work, try to find something in advance. It's must easier once in a place to connect but it's so hard to not be tricked before going and end up with bait and switch, which btw when you are foreign locals have power over you always.Also be wary of work for accomodations these people are exploiting you, but in reality they cannot force you to do anything nor stay if you end up like this. Healthcare don't worry anywhere you go you can afford it and you likely aren't going to need anything major.
>>2886634I figured I'd rent to a military family since it's close to a base. I have friends in the military who can set me up with a tenent or I could go for a student at the near by med school.>>2886638How do you live?
>>2886710>I figured I'd rent to a military family since it's close to a baseOh nonononon HAHAHAHA please be a troll.Those require usually more insurance and paperwork handling to deal with whatever COLA program they are on. Besides most apartment complexes around base will just snatch them up, if you do manage to get someone living off base enjoy the enshittificaion of your home and be willing to accept the lowest rung jarhead coming in to your place and no ability to say "no" if you don't word your lease right. So you open the door up to cops busts for their inevitable first time drinking hard after 1-2 months of nothing, MP police searching if they suspect drugs, the tenant leaving it in whatever state they feel like since "you can take up repayment with the government", and so on.t. lived 25 years in the largest naval port city on the east coast
>>2886638People who don't have a car are most vulnerable to workstay exploitation in rural areas. The only option for escape may be walking 20 miles to the nearest bus station. After a few days of arduous labor with half-broken tools for room & board, I've always begun to regard the easy pace of vanlife with more fondness.
>>2886725If that's the case I'll stick to students. Again, none of this is set in stone just ideas right now
>>2886888>implying students are betterEnjoy every time they throw a party you get asked to pick up the phone and be present for why underage drinking possible drugs, was happening. Same shit with their FASFA loan situation, not to mention you have to clean house every 2ish years or when someone grads.>Again, none of this is set in stone just ideas right nowAnd that's all this should ever be
>>2886635You found your place on craiglist? Doubtful. Most boomers use Facebook market or groups these days. Nobody wants an anonymous stranger sharing their home. They want to be able to friend you, look up your profile and see if you're a decent person.
>>2886900Grad students are better than undergrad. There's a ton of medical students going to do residency and all they really need is a place to sleep. Everything doesn't need to be apocalyptic and a little inconvenience can be worked through.
>>2886476I was thinking if I could go back and start my 20s again, I'd work seasonal jobs just long enough to be able to put $7k/year into a Roth IRA, and to cover 6 months of hostelling/camping in Guatemala or Morocco or wherever. Live as frivolously as possible while stacking fat stacks away for your old age. Seems perfect.
>>2886924if the landlord lives there you don't want itif it's a boomer you definitely dont want itchinks are the best landlordsi dont have a facebook and i'm not making one just so some dumb boomer retard can see my curated life
>>2886476Just enlist in the navy and switch jobs every 4 years. You can retire with full pension in 20, and get shitloads of skills in the interim.Buy a house to stash mom, use as your physical address, live aboard a sailing ship with your chinkwife.
I'm ending my vagabond life after over a year. So excited to get back to wage cuckery desu. I'm so burnt out
>>2886476quitting a first world life to "work odd jobs" is not really a great ideavagabonding is fun when you have side income or someone with you, or you know its a temporary thingat least thats what i think
>>2888321>I'm ending my vagabond life after over a year. So excited to get back to wage cuckery desu. I'm so burnt outfiltered
>>2888327You don't have to be flat broke to be a vagabond.>>2888321Doing nothing is harder than it looks, eh? You have discovered that your mind is buckbroken and built for servitude. You do not belong to the master class, which greatly enjoys extended leisure time.
>>2888405>>2888372Vagabonding isn't an instagram vacation in la la land. It's a full-time job of scrounging around for cash, sleeping on streets and in train stations, and trying to find where to go next and where you're going to eat. It's not easy.
Coworkers brother did this, also had a close friend YOLO on life and do it both turned out the same with one going to jail for a fairly long timeWhat people think Vagabonding is:>Ride off to the open road>shake hand with some guy from Craigslist for a day job and honest wage>get an inside scoop on a local diner that needs help for a dishwasher and pay for food and time under the table>sleep in small camp/rv park for the night in a bag and tell stories for a 6 pack of PBR>roll on to the next adventureWhat it actually is>slow decent into no money>anyone that hires you might just not pay you and shit you can do about it for a day job>always looking for a place to sleep that won't kick you out no "just sleeping at the truck stop" or RV park doesn't work after a while>shit how do I get from X to Y? I got no money...>cops will eventually fuck with you>why hire white guy when Alejandro does it for 1/3rd the price>come back to the market after crashing out with little/no funds>realize you have a huge resume gap that can only be explained by recklessness, no solid address, possibly crippling debt that makes any apartment a dream>now older and younger generation willing to work for less >no way to keep head above waterEnjoy OP
>>2888717>Coworker>resume gapt. seething HR roastie, or dickless beta male who became a woman
>>2888717Can brokie workers even afford to drink beer anymore? At the temp jobs I used to work at, everyone just guzzled bagged wine directly from the bag. Again, nobody says you have to run out of money to be a vagabond. But you have to be much more careful about robbery when you do have money, or else you will have to studiously avoid the people who have nothing and only want to take from others. Not possible when you're sleeping on a park bench in a city. I tried to sleep in a park one time and a robber began plotting something with his buddy and referencing me. I spent the rest of the night wide awake in the plaza with my luggage, reading a book under the bright lamp while the police cruised past time and again with their flashing lights.With time as a vagabond, you fine-tune things. It's not as much of a "rawdog the world" as it is when you are young and full of stupid idealism. You can focus on making money and smoking weed after work like a wageslave NPC, then obediently shuffle your way onto a plane to resume a life of freedom overseas the moment you step into arrivals and here "TAXI SAAAR"
>>2889582>You can focus on making money and smoking weed after work like a wageslave NPC, then obediently shuffle your way onto a plane to resume a life of freedom overseas the moment you step into arrivals and here "TAXI SAAAR"Arriving in Delhi and seeing those jeets trip over themselves to try to scam me on a taxi, after 6 months of wageslaving, was kino af
>>2886492Not OP, but I need daily meds because of some bullshit genetic condition. It's usually fine, but I gotta carry a bunch of pills around because not all countries have meds as cheap/available as mine
>>2888736Resume gaps are bad if your explanations is literally "I became a bum by choice"
>>2889688HR foids have names and addresses, also underage female relatives.
>>2889688I was working for my uncle's small company on the other side of the world
>>2889688>I wanted to see the countryIt's that simple. No need to elaborate further. >>2889691Honesty is a self-defeating proposition. I was honest with my assessment of my job last season, and now I have been let go.
It's much more comfy to be a vagabond in Asia. You don't have to sleep rough, you don't have to eat peanut butter sandwiches for the fifth time, you don't have to worry about who is going to pick you up when hitchhiking. Here you can be a vagabond in relative style.
>Becoming a Vagabondgo ahead lol
>>2888321Yep. Most people burn out and quit unless they have no other choice. If the vagabond life was that great everyone would do it.
I’m guessing the one saying that “you’re too dumb for the life you want” is actually the one envious, Also wanting there life or to be them. I could be wrong lol
Why would anyone under 50 need health insurance? Just pay $20 for a tooth cleaning once a year and $100 for eyeglasses if you need themAnyway being a vagabond is kind of fun been doing it 5 years. Just save up $1,000,000 live off stock investments cost $2000-$3000 a month to live in 3 star hotels
>>2893544The awful condition and high cost of urban motels in the US is a strong incentive to forgo any dreams of vagabond living for a normie-tier life with a proper rental apartment. Looking up motel reviews in Los Angeles makes this very clear. They're now charging $90/night to stay in some filthy smelly shithole in the middle of a ghetto full of whores and drug dealers. One reviewer even said that a crazy woman kicked his door open in the middle of the night to rant at him for eating her WingStop meal. What kind of sane, self-respecting white American would choose to be a vagabond and while away his time in such settings? Beats me how people can deride a country like Thailand as a shithole or Third World when this is what the major coastal highway in one of America's greatest cities looks like. Jesus fucking Christ, it's awful. I'll have to trudge along this dangerous shitty road for a few miles to get from LAX to Venice Beach or Santa Monica, because it has the only bridge over Ballona Creek. Nearby hotels go for $350+ per night. No wonder American vagabonds always become mentally ill when they're confronted with the insane reality of immense exclusionary wealth juxtaposed with a dilapidated cityscape that is completely indifferent to the needs of a foot traveler, if not outright hostile.10:30 PM arrival time at LAX is going to fuck me over, because all the hostels in LA quit checking in guests at 11 PM, and the metro system stops operating at midnight. One can also safely assume that there will be no food, water or restrooms available for the entirety of my foot journey - and that's the best case scenario, not even considering the very real possibility of police or local youths trying to start trouble with a foot traveler because they have nothing better to do.
>>2893568you have to adjust. you can't do nightly stays in the US. in the big cities hostels start at $80 for a bunk with homeless people but renting your own room starts at $800 a month, which is like $26 a night. I usually get to the city, find some room to rent day 1, then find a job (any) and go from there. If you work 40 hours you will be making $3k a month at least, minus 800 for rent and 300 for food and 100 for other expenses, you can stack up a nest egg quickly in the cities, especially if you are able and willing to go over 40 hours a weekor you can live in a van but that forces you rural. It's better quality of life but it's too precarious and jobs are too scarce imo. when your car breaks down you are completely fucked.>10:30 PM arrival time at LAX is going to fuck me over, because all the hostels in LA quit checking in guests at 11 PM, and the metro system stops operating at midnight. you're better off waiting in the airport until morning and departing then.>>2893545I actually did it and am living it. You have to be creative to cut it, he's still approaching it from the framework of falling for commercial memescams like home ownership and healthcare. By the definition of vagabond he doesn't even want to be one.>"A vagabond is a person who has no permanent home or steady employment and travels from place to place. It often carries a literary, old-fashioned, or slightly disapproving tone, bringing to mind a drifter, nomad, or wanderer.>Usage & Meanings>As a noun: Someone who leads an unsettled, wandering life, often with very little money."
>>2886476Follow the YouTuber “A higher standard” he’s a 26 year old bum. He’s pretty sharp
>>2893619By definition, renting monthly is giving up on the vagabond life and settling down for a spell. Many cities have extended stay motels where you could rent monthly with minimal hassle. Sometimes they have a kitchenette with a small range top...other times you are stuck cooking up slop on a hotplate while the roaches step out onto the counter wagging their antennae like a hungry dog wagging its tail. Bad neighbors and thin walls could make such a place a serious test of endurance as a white man who values peace and quiet. I remember seeing one such extended stay in El Centro, CA which advertised $500/month studios. Of course El Centro is a hideously unappealing ghetto shithole in the middle of a stinky polluted desert region, but you can always swing on down to Mexicali to snort cocaine and fuck trannies on the weekend. Arguably better than Wichita Kansas, the city currently topping the list of cheapest rent in America. It has a string of shitty motels on South Broadway, so shitty that none of them even accept bookings. All kinds of mangy ex-cons can be seen shambling along the sidewalk. Fuck it. It's basically fate at this point that I end up in a place like Wichita. I don't deserve to live in Chicago, it's too wealthy and too elite. Wichita is unpretentious and full of ugly people, but there is still an atmosphere of optimism to the struggle there. You don't see people giving up on life like you do in other cities. Acshually, you can get a bunk for $20 per night in quite a few American cities. Of course at that price point you will be sleeping in an IKEA triple-stack bunk bed with foreign migrants, failed dorkers, homeless seasonal workers and other assorted low-value males. The neighborhood will be ghetto as well. You better keep your /pol/ opinions to yourself; the creaturas go apeshit at the slightest hint of raysism. >or you can live in a vanAlready did the vanlife for years on end with two separate vehicles. It's time for a change.
>>2893551>just live off the 2k/mo interestAnon that's called retirement>what /trv/ thinks vagabond means>fucking off to SEA and living a meager life from some crypto or savings interest. Probably dicking around on the internet 18hrs a day for most the week.>what vagabond means>giving up everything, odd jobs to get by, no real home, doing most the day to day with minimal tech, visa dodging as possible, nothing in guaranteed. Most trv when they realize they can't get aircon daily will give up. Living cheaply as a bum abroad isn't vagabonding.
>>2893666>vagabonding:wander about from place to place without a home or job.Working odd jobs living in hostels is just called being a loser
>>2893671>Working odd jobs living in hostels is just called being a loserSo is being a vagabond, but it's all a matter of perspective to the one doing it.
>>2893665>By definition, renting monthly is giving up on the vagabond lifeIf you're renting and working at mcdick's for a few months you're still a vagabond. It's not permanent or steady.>Arguably better than Wichita Kansas, the city currently topping the list of cheapest rent in America. Going for low cost of living is a trap. The places with the most potential to make money are the ones with the highest "cost of living". It means that every retard in the city can afford to pay that much. If you are savvy and know how to save you will come out banking thousands extra every month. >>2893666>>what /trv/ thinks vagabond means>>fucking off to SEA and living a meager life from some crypto or savings interest. Probably dicking around on the internet 18hrs a day for most the week.This is called being a gentleman of independent means. That's what I am. But it still falls under the umbrella of vagabond as long as you don't have a house and you're not a wagey.>>what vagabond means>>giving up everything, odd jobs to get by, no real home, doing most the day to day with minimal tech, visa dodging as possible, nothing in guaranteed.This is a form of vagabond as well, but its more on the vagrant side. The difference between a gentleman and a vagrant is about choice vs necessity, Most people aren't smart enough to get ahead financially so they end up as vagrants struggling to make ends meet. They don't know the difference between luxuries and necessities and go broke fast off of bad budgeting. If you can't manage your expenses well, you will always be broke no matter how much you earn, and if you can manage your expenses well, you can always get ahead no matter how little you earn.
>>2893675The difference is when you are a vagabond you dont work. Definitions matter >>2893678>If you're renting and working at mcdick's for a few months you're still a vagabond. It's not permanent or steady.Wrong, vagabonders dont work
>>2893722>: a person who wanders from place to place without a fixed home : one leading a vagabond life>a person who has no home and usually no job, and who travels from place to place:"wandering from place to place without any settled home; nomadic.a vagabond tribe.leading an unsettled or carefree life.disreputable; worthless; shiftless.of, relating to, or characteristic of a vagabond.vagabond habits.having an uncertain or irregular course or direction."none of the definitions say that. the closest is the one that says "usually"
>>2893723Its in the definition that a vagabond has no job,,,,sorry wagie find a different way to romanticize being a hobo>vagabonding:wander about from place to place without a home or job.
>>2893722You're thinking of a vagrant. A vagrant is somebody who refuses to work while having no roof over his head and no means of supporting himself. The uncomfy NEET.>>2893739Day labor is not a job per se - you can't put "I raked leaves for Mr. Jones last Tuesday" on your resume - but it is still work. >>2893678Like I've said before, many of us aren't cut out for the big city hustle. We lack the work experience to put on a resume, the confident spiel to bamboozle an HR roastie, or the ability to finagle our way into a good careercuck position. All those successful people you meet in a big city, they've planned their whole life to get where they want to go. It's delusional to think that as a low-skill vagabond you can step off the plane with your backpack, enter a big city office and walk out with a high-paying job offer just like that.Every time I pass through any big city as a leisure tourist, I can see how stressed-out, worried and miserable the low level migrant wagies are. They do not feel secure in their jobs or their housing at all. Every day is a struggle of dealing with other miserable stressed-out people. Power-tripping managers, asshole coworkers who hate the new guy, hurry hurry hurry for $18 per hour.Better to choose somewhere that has a more relaxed pace of life, even if it does take longer to save up the same amount of money. Yes, the boredom and drudgery of working a humdrum job in a mundane town can become onerous, and petty feuds with coworkers are still a problem. But you know you will eventually be traveling the world again, so it's simply a matter of counting down the days. Even when cost of living is low, rent and other outlays will deplete your funds faster than the paychecks come in for at least two months. But after you quit, that last paycheck plus the tax refund will keep your funds up for two or three months after departure.
>>2893751Vagabonds don't work hobos do you can't just change definitions to soothe your feelings about being a bum>A job is a specific, regular role in which a person performs tasks or duties in exchange for monetary compensation
>>2893751>Like I've said before, many of us aren't cut out for the big city hustle. We lack the work experience to put on a resume, the confident spiel to bamboozle an HR roastie, or the ability to finagle our way into a good careercuck position.It's delusional to think that as a low-skill vagabond you can step off the plane with your backpack, enter a big city office and walk out with a high-paying job offer just like that.You don't go for office jobs. You go for walmart, or mcdick's, or security guard, or construction. Lie on the resume and show up to the interview and you'll get it. I do admit cold-blooded Machiavellian psychopathy is a huge boon in the cities if you are capable of it.>I can see how stressed-out, worried and miserable the low level migrant wagies are. They do not feel secure in their jobs or their housing at all. Every day is a struggle of dealing with other miserable stressed-out people. Power-tripping managers, asshole coworkers who hate the new guy, hurry hurry hurry for $18 per hour.I had to interact with latinos in large numbers and they are by and large simple people with no deep thoughts. They have a carefree life. Only difference is spics are more industrious than jeets. Anxiety and power tripping is a white people thing that they do to other whites, because they don't want to be rayciss so they take it out on you. >Better to choose somewhere that has a more relaxed pace of life, even if it does take longer to save up the same amount of money. Why is it better? You are uniquely equipped to deal with third worlders now, probably better than 99% of the white population. Shouldn't you lean into that? There's no need to move to some retard-proof safespace where everyone is poor and white. If you can navigate Nepal, you can navigate around latinx and pavement apes just fine. Go where the money is and don't be afraid of demographics.
>>2886486Why alaska? Isnt it cold and shit?
>>2886476>and live off odd jobs.Dude I can't even fucking get an even job.
>>2894155Have you tried? Everyone's hiring
>>2886476>live off odd jobs>Thinking about buying a relatively cheap houseIn what world do you fucking live? Do you think it's 1971?Where do you find those odd jobs to even pay the utilities on a fucking house in 2026?
