How expensive it is to go to the US nowadays as an eurofag? Assuming you want to see more than one state
Same as it is to go to Europe and see more than one country
>>2889857It's expensive af due to bad infrastructure. It's not that bad to live there because you can rent a cheap room for months at a time but you cant really get anything cheap for a one night stay
>>2889857Cool picture. I watched the movie Rain Man yesterday, they had a lot of filming locations in Nevada and California. The OP pic is Death Valley National Park apparently
Really depends on which states you wanna see, the cities in the US are all the exact same everywhere so I assume you want to see nature. Renting a car is expensive as hell but it allows you to get to stay in non tourist places and cheaper hotels. If you do a road trip out west I'd rent a van so you dont need hotels, just park in public land to spend the night. However, a van comfortable enough to sleep in starts at $400 per night plus gasoline costs.
>>2889878Colorado, Utah and maybe a drive to Cali if enough time.
>>2889886It'd be like $4000 (depending on when in summer you go)for a two week trip from Denver to LA (or other way around). You could hit Rocky Mountain National Park, National Forest in CO, all the National parks in Southern Utah, Death Valley, Yosemite, Sequoia. If you plan it right you wouldn't have to get a hotel or pay for a campsite with staying on public land.
>>2889890Is there any way to do it cheap? Like what if you bring a bike with you and take greyhound to go around the country?
>>2889890You can do two weeks in Appalachia for 2000. >>2889897no, you need a car and lodging will be 150 a night +If you are willing to share a house and rent a room you can do it for cheaper. greyhound is awful and doesn't go to anything cool + is super delayed you will waste your trip on slow buses not seeing anything
>>2889857Are you camping? Probably a minimum of a hundred dollars a day. You could probably finagle your way to cheaper if you're not renting a car and are relying on buses or trains, which will limit you in many ways.
>>2889902I would rent a car
>>2889857we rented a minivan for three weeks in colorado. it was $65 a day. hotels were around $120 a night. we decided to sleep in the van and get holtels when needed. walmart had everything we needed, sleepbags, lanterns, cookset, we bought 4 person tent for very little money there. lot of the campsite was difficult to get reservation but we did well in the national park areas or trucking places off the freeway road. rent car in one state and return the car in another state is what we did.
Depends what type of Euro you are. As an American who just spent 3 months over there your prices vary widely. If you're Swiss or scandi then its cheap. If you're french/west German is comparable. If you're central/eastern if pretty expensive. For comparison, In Leipzig I lived like a king, in Zurich is was counting my pennies. Prices here are more standardized but still vary. Accommodations are expensive, super markets are expensive, car rentals are expensive. Petrol and restaurants are probably cheaper than what you might expect. Big cities like New York, Seattle, Chicago or Atlanta will break your budget but you can make it work in second cities. If you can tell us where you're from and what your budget is we can help you.
>>2889916>f you're french/west German is comparable.bs. europe way cheaper
>>2889897Not really no.>>2889899Appalachia is mogged by the West, nobody cares about some hills.
>>2889921A beer cost $14 in Norway, it's like $2 in Germany, America is somewhere in the middle. That's all I'm trying to say.
>>2889902why would a campsite be so expensive?
>>2889860>It's expensive af due to bad infrastructurewhat is this nonsense
>>2889941yuropoor crying about the lack of busses and trains aka transportation for children
>>2889943more about the lack of low budget accommodation but that too
>>2889860What would qualify as a "cheap room" for you?
>>2889937nta but you're overestimating our wages and unavoidable costs (housing, transportation) are what really matters, not the price of beer. At the rates given by other anons itt it would probably be cheaper to transport my own car over the Atlantic. The cheapest 2 weeks vacation would cost more than our median monthly salary. The USA is overpriced as fuck.
You can absolutely do a 2 week camping trip in the US on the west coast on a $3000 budget. Utah has thousands of miles of BLM land where you can camp for free. If you want to do the National Parks out west, an annual pass is $250. One pass would cover everyone in your car. You can get into every national park in the US with that. My advice would be to do an early summer or fall trip and do some combination of Utah, Arizona, Nevada and California. You could fly into LAX, Then hit Las Vegas. Do the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Zion National Park, Yosemite National Park, San Francisco, drive down route 1 through Big Sur and then fly out of LAX. The average cost of a campsite would be less than $50 a night for the whole car. But there are tons of free spots all along the way. Look up freecampsites.net. 14 nights camping at $50 =$70014 day car rental $400American the beautiful pass $250Gas $500Food $30 per day x 14 days 420Flight $700total $2970Bringing more people with you would significantly cut your overall cost because you spilt everything. It would be more like $1700 per person with 4 people.
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>>2889953In the most expensive cities you can get a private room in a shared house / aparment for $800 a month and the floor only goes down from there. You break it down and it's about $25 a day. but in those same cities you cant even get a bunk in a hostel for $25 a day
>>2889958>14 nights camping at $50 =$700use the free sites only>Food $30 per day x 14 days 420too high. can be $10 a day if you're cooking
>>2889860If a $50-70/night motel is expensive to you then you need to get a job.>>2889965Yeah no fake you retard. No one is going to give you a room that is furnished, cleaned, and maintained for the same price as one that is not.
>>2889970stay mad fat boomer faggit. i'd rather go to india then your shitty roach infested motel. been on vacation for 9 months and counting because i'm not a brainwashed retard like you
>>2889958>$50 a night most national parks do not cost that much. campsite fees are as low as $15. but if you are going during high season you need to make a reservation
>>2889941>>2889943Car-centric infrastructure is gay and the reason Americans are broke, fat and mentally ill
>>2889857Honestly if you can find a decent vehicle to live out of, it's the way to see America IMO, if you fly you end up going to the worst places like NYC, LA, or Chicago, the best of USA is in small towns and the like, not to mention the natural beauty.
>>2889897Greyhound buses go between cities and run 24 hours. They don't go to the scenic areas or run at times convenient for tourist travel.>>2889915This seems the best way to go about it. Free camping is becoming harder and harder to find, but when you're on an adventure you just have to crash out at any place you can find when night falls.>>2889916You can stay in hostels in American big cities. You also get public transport options both locally and between cities, plus the vibrant cultural enrichment of seeing so many different ethnicities slaving away for Almighty Dollar. Can't do any of that in the countryside, where it's still 95% white people.>>2889955$3 pints are still quite common in a place like Kansas, but not in the touristy areas. >>2889966There is a huge problem with tourists trashing free campsites, followed by the USFS blocking it off with piles of brush and logs for "environmental rehabilitation". Even Walmarts don't want to host overnight campers anymore because they create problems. Nobody's going to stop you from littering; it's entirely up to you if you want to respect the place or disrespect it.>$10 per day...is eating a vegetarian diet with a can of tuna on the side. Unless you don't give a single shit about food, you're going to want $30 per day to spend so you can be a little wasteful with fresh produce (which goes bad quickly in the heat) and grill that fat steak with some steak seasoning and enjoy some baked treats from the farmer's market. Also, you'll probably want to buy a cooler with ice too so you can enjoy a few cold>>2889980LOL, Indian hotelkeepers also gaslight you all the time acting like their high price for a shitty room is reasonable and fair. >>2889965You still can get a sub $30 hostel bunk in some of the shittier urban neighborhoods. But the nice hostels usually cost $45-60 per night.
>>2889857Apart from the flight it’s not super expensive, it’s comparable to Europe
>>2889997You don't understand the real reason car centric infrastructure exists, it's simply to avoid the groid. Reposting r/fuckcars view points will only get you upboats from dipshits.
>>2889966i don't think you should skimp on food when you are traveilng. it's your chance to try the local cuisine, and america does have a lot of high quality food. for example the beef here is better than anywhere else in the world so you can get the best steaks and bbq
>>2889938How were you able to find this website with the inability to think. Renting a car often cost 50 dollars a day.
>>2890070most national parks do not cost that much. it's as cheap as $15. maybe some parks might reach $50 per campsite, but i doubt very many. you can check the national park website.
>>2890074You're brain dead.
>>2890074They raised the price for non-US citizens this year for most of the major National Parks. Yosemite is $100 per person for non US citizens on top of the entry fee per car. The best deal right now is the non citizen America the Beautiful pass for $250. It covers everyone in the car for almost every National Park.
>>2889997>mentally ill Americansunlike the enlightened Europeans who are currently inviting millions of Africans, Indians and Muslims into their countries. Good luck with that.
>>2889857>How expensive it is to go to the US nowadays as an eurofag?Did a west coast road trip earlier this year (late April to early May)Los Angeles to Seattlein about 20 daysabout ~10k for 2 persons without flights, all in about ~14k€for the cost, just roughly>~1700€ for a Tesla rental, one way + 400€ chargingother than taking a really small car, this was the cheapest option>accommodation ~4000€we wanted to stay in cute B&Bs alongside the coast, which all were >$200, so that pushed the cost>food ~2500€didn't really look for cheap options, sometimes groceries for hikes or lunch on the road, sometimes fast foodwent fine dining twice (which is not included in this cost, French Laundry alone was >1000€ which also was our anniversary dinner)but otherwise went for "american looking" ones>~1000€ entries, ferries, parking etc.also got the year pass for the national parks because Yosemite alone was almost just as expensive>~400€ misc on laundry once, tolls, souvenirs idk500€/day is pretty average for vacations for us nowadaysbut expensive for a roadtrip, just for comparisona few years ago, during university with a lot less money, all for 2 persons totalroadtrip Portugal + northern Spain was 250€/day all inroadtrip Adriatic coast Italy to Greece was <200€/day (but with own car)roadtrip in Norway, though camping with tent, was <100€/day
>>2890092I wish I had your money I would spend it much less foolishly.
>>2890093>I would spend it much less foolishlywhy? how?i mean what's the problem with the roadtrip?we didn't really waste any money, but neither pennypinched to sacrifice time from the actual stuff we wanted to dothat was also a pretty typical US west coast roadtrip in my opinion (as imagined by krauts)close to what you'd see in like a 2000s movie, which is exactly what we wanted
>>2890081>everything I know about the world outside of my mom's basement I learned from my fellow basement-dwelling virgin neets of /pol/
>>2890024>is eating a vegetarian diet with a can of tuna on the side. Unless you don't give a single shit about food, you're going to want $30 per day to spend so you can be a little wasteful with fresh produce (which goes bad quickly in the heat) and grill that fat steak with some steak seasoning and enjoy some baked treats from the farmer's market. Also, you'll probably want to buy a cooler with ice too so you can enjoy a few coldlarp post from a cuck who can't cook. ground beef and fresh produce is basically free in USA. you can have meat, fruit, vegetables, cheese, eggs, and fish all in one day for less than $10 a day
>>2890094brand name bullshit, wasted moneytesla wasting time charging awful carnormie destinations>we only see national parkschinese-type of touristonly goes to biggest name brand thingsspends 30 minutes jabbering and taking photos, leaves
>>2890100>brand name bullshitwhat exactly?we didn't stay in any chain hotel and mostly went to local restaurants>tesla wasting time charging awful cartesla was the cheapest, by hundreds of €, not even accounting for electricity being cheaper than gasolinecharging (time) is really negligiblesome accommodations had chargers, where we plugged in overnight, maybe had 3 or 4 charging stops of maybe 30min on the whole trip>normie destinationsthe whole fucking US is a normie destination retard>we only see national parkswhere did it say this?we went to 5 national parks in 20daysusually for 1-2 day hikes>only goes to biggest name brand things>spends 30 minutes jabbering and taking photos, leavescan you read? apparently not...literally nothing you said applied to my trip
>>2890102>what exactly?>muh french laundryyou can get a number of great meals for 1000 bucks>tesla was the cheapest, by hundreds of €, not even accounting for electricity being cheaper than gasolinestill not worth it, cheap for a reason>charging (time) is really negligiblebullshit its 20 minutes minimum every 2-3 hours>the whole fucking US is a normie destination retardcalifornia + national parks of the west is the most normie thing possible>we went to 5 national parks in 20dayswow that's a lotgimme some money dude
>>2890107>you can get a number of great meals for 1000 bucksyes you can and I explicitly excluded that from the main calculation because of thatit was an anniversary dinner>>2890107>still not worth it, cheap for a reasonso first you complain that the trip is too expensiveand then you complain that I should take a more expensive car???>bullshit its 20 minutes minimum every 2-3 hoursit's not though!? more like 30min every 4-5h of driving and again many accommodations had charging where we did charge overnight at no additional effortYou obviously never driven an EValso it's a roadtrip vacation, you don't drive THAT muchit's rare to have days with more than 2-3h in the car...>california + national parks of the west is the most normie thing possibleand east coast is normie, and nevada / Southwest loop is normie, and route 66 is normie, and florida keys is normie, andliterally every worthwhile destination in the US is a normie destinationjust like every destination in western / central / southern Europe where people travel a lot
>>2890109Appalachia isn't normie. Fuckboy.
>>2890109>it was an anniversary dinnerthat's not my pointyou are wasting money on brand names>muh thomas keller>muh michelin starsit shows you are profligate and have too much money on your hands so you just get to waste it indiscriminately it's the restaurant equivalent of driving a porsche>and then you complain that I should take a more expensive car???yes, value is optimizing time, not just money>also it's a roadtrip vacation, you don't drive THAT muchI usually drive 4-6 hours a day on my travels and in very remote areas with few EV chargers. Being bound to having to find chargers vs gas stations is not gonna work for anything rural. >east coast is normienyc isnew orleans ismaybe charlestonrenting a house at the beach is normieplenty of non-normie things to dorivers to raft or swim in>>2890111noted digits
>>2890097Asparagus is $4.99 a pound, the fuck are you talking about free produce for? Stop inventing low prices which don't exist even if you buy the very cheapest, lowest-quality items on offer at the cheapest, lowest-quality grocery store. One day of cheese eating is 3-4 oz. That's $1 minimum, $2-3 if you buy cheese which isn't fucking cheddar. We're already at $5 spent and we've only gotten the asparagus and cheese for dinner, kekek
>>2890114>few EV chargersEven Nepal with a GDP per capita of $1500 can afford to install EV chargers in their mountain villages. It's time Americans stopped making excuses for their failures to do anything besides widen intersections.
>>2890137the guy you're answering to just spews out nonsense and hates on renting EVsthere are plenty of chargers, especially on the west coastunless you go to bumfuck nowhere (and why would you go there as tourist?)you don't have to worry about battery
>>2889857If you plan on landing in one city and then traveling around by car, its fairly cheap. Domestic flights aren't usually too bad either but recent events have not been kind to the airlines.>>2889860>Bad infrastructureWhat you mean is, its expensive as fuck because discrimination is illegal and the only way to keep meth junkies and browns out is to set the prices arbitrarily high so that they can't afford it. Doesn't mean you can't still find a flophouse here and there, the browns gotta live somewhere.
>>2890136oh right a pound of asparagus a day keeps the doctor awayso we're at $1 for the cheesefor fruits/vegetables buy whatever is on sale and season. for meat buy the ground beef. for fish go for canned sardines or tuna. add in eggs and nuts and its still under $10 tranny. even in nyc btw
>>2890137>>2890147EVs are for Eurofags and Chinks, just get a normal car you absolute faggot. There are gas stations everywhere.>There are chargers everywhere on the west coastAnon, I live on the West Coast. There most certainly are not. The California Bay Area is not the whole West Coast, and Oregon and Washington only have them in the few city areas, most of the rural areas are hard-red and don't give a flying fuck about your battery-powered go karts.
>>2890048Akshully at this point it has more to do with the fact that roads are funded by gas taxes and car registrations, which keeps them very well funded, while spending for passenger rail and transit is viciously fought over in budget hearings. Also, gay retard environmental and social groups block new infrastructure projects, causing delays and costs to balloon.
>>2890150A single ham and cheese sandwich made at home with decent quality ingredients that would be acceptable to a European costs more than $4. In Poland the same sandwich would cost $1.50
>>2890283No it would cost $1
>>2890150You're deliberately leaving out many other food items. Not to mention the acquisition costs of spices, condiments, etc. Particularly if you are buying large packages to save on unit costs. No, your average will not drop below $10 unless you severely skimp on portion size for weeks on end - which somebody who is out all day being active won't want to do.
>>2890285concession accepted. manchild faggit
If your objective is to keep food costs low, you can absolutely do that by getting a cooler and some ice and buying groceries rather than eating out. A pack of hotdogs, buns, ketchup and mustard would run you $8 and would feed 4 people. You can get those Ramen bowls where you just add water. You can scramble eggs and cheese and tortillas and make breakfast burritos. Boxed Mac and Cheese is east to make, tastes good and feeds a ton of people. That's 5 dinners that would run you $40-50 total.
>>2890492This is largely true. Groceries are generally cheap in the US (albeit generally more processed, selection is large all the way from organic produce to literal zogslop depending on where you go). You can get by a long time on ham sandwiches, cereal bars, etc. If you can find decent tortillas you can make quesadillas. Hotels are expensive in the US and tend to be shit quality in rural areas for the price (mostly run by jeets). I suggest alternating between camping places and staying at a hotel so you get a decent shower and rest every few nights. If you look on priceline you can sometimes find good deals for hotels. Also I like to stay at hotels at indian (feather, not dot) casinos which are found scattered around the US. They generally have decent prices, good food, security and are in better shape than the motels you find all over the US. Many restaurants in the US have a lunch special such as chinese food where you get rice, salad and an entree for $10-13 or so. Dinner is generally more expensive. Try to save going out for dinner for special occasions. Diners are great because you can order a fuckton of food and usually skip the next meal. Refills on non-alcoholic drinks in the US are generally free so you can take advantage of that. And then there's always fast food and drive thrus which are everywhere. Prices are usually lower if you use the app (i.e. Mcdonalds app) to order even tho this is extremely cringe that they do this.
>>2890611I'm paying $120 all things included for a night in someone's house. I have my own room, a shared bathroom but I don't think anyone else is staying tonight. The hosts aren't home. Very quiet. Small room, get to use their kitchen. chinese food (cheap) gets in your teeth, bring floss, cheap garbage meatpro-tip: order takeout for lunch and just get enough food to last through dinnerI find a lot of reasonable local restaurants. I got 6 pepperoni rolls today, hot and fresh, for 13.50 at the famous Tomaro's bakery in WV.
Does a 3 week NY to LA trip sound logical to you? Sez right here on googlemaps that it's around 3,000 miles, so, at 200 miles per day should be doable in 2 weeks. The question is, do you have time for any sightseeing? Just 2 days in NY and 2 in LA pretty much fills up the rest of the 7 days.
I have also never been to US, but I would never listen to fucking 4channers telling you to camp in the US to save money. This is exactly one of those cases where you can lose your life or end up in a deportation camp.
>>2890620You can easily drive 500+ miles a day on the interstate if you start in the morning and keep going until night even with stops, time zones, etc., so yes it is doable. 200 miles per day would be babby tier, only about 4-5 hours of driving. A lot of the US is empty space that has little to see. So the question really shouldn't be "is 200 miles a day enough" but rather, what things do you want to see along the way and how long do you want to spend at each of them. You can drive from Chicago to Denver in 2 days and feel like you didn't miss much at all and then spend a week in Colorado and feel like you haven't had enough time...
>>2890625unless you are sharing driving with someone else, 4-5 hours of driving a day is a lot and will leave you exhausted and no time for activities or enjoying anything else. Driving all day is even worse. It makes much more sense to try to plan a trip that is clustered in one area than going cross-country unless you specifically have to for a move or something.
>>2890626This is an extremely euro opinion, midwesterners will drive 4 hours to see some ball game or other mundane thing. 4 hours isn't a long trip especially if you make a stop. Driving for 8 a couple times in a row gets exhausting and you should take a break but 3 weeks is a completely reasonable time for a cross country trip. It's interesting to watch how the country changes as you go across it and everyone should do it at least once.
>>2890627I am American. 4 hours is long. Try it sometime. Esp, if you are stacking days, 4 hours each day. Just fly from NYC to LA and see what you want to see in both places unless you have some specific thing in mind in between.
>>2890629I drive from California to Las Vegas all the time, it's about 4 hours. It feels like an hour at this point.
>>2890630I have a feeling the roads are less shitty and flatter in the west, at least the interstates. Here it's hours of curves and broken pavement and work zones. I think max I've done 8 hours in a day. I'd rather not risk an accident. Try to find someone to go with you. A long road trip makes far more sense sharing driving duties with someone else then you can see more with less exertion.
>>2890624Yes, the police are always on the lookout for people on the run from the law trying to hide out, drunk drivers sleeping it off, etc. It fucking sucks to have that spotlight hit you up at 2 AM and then the knock on the window. Paid campsites and de-facto free campgrounds with fire rings are okay. But once you go to rural America, you'll realize why people don't crash out on the roadside with a guitar and a campfire and a bottle of bourbon next to their tent. The American settler culture remains very defensive of its property. Police exist not to serve and protect you, but to serve and protect the property owners who pay their salaries. So they will swoop in and hound you. Sometimes they say you can stay the rest of the night and leave in the morning.Whatever you do, don't drink, smoke weed or take sleeping pills while car camping on a roadtrip. You may get ordered to leave and then arrested for DUI when you do leave. Some states do not allow DUI arrests of intoxicated people sleeping in vehicles; others happily do. If you must get high, do so discreetly in a place only accessible by foot. Police in America are lazy as fuck and rarely walk far from their cruisers. Remember, cannabis is still illegal on federal property, so you can get arrested on a federal charge of possession even if you're in a Colorado Rockies forest campground and a USFS ranger happens to pull through while you're blowing a big cloud of bong smoke.
>>2890791The worst part of America is how confrontational it is and how people are always territorial and possessive and trying to get you in trouble over minor things. It's not friendly at all.
>>2890791>Sometimes they say you can stay the rest of the night and leave in the morning.Isn't public land supposed to be freely accessible? On what grounds are they allowed to make you leave?
>>2890799Cops have guns. They can tell you whatever they want. If you don't do it, they can beat you up or put you in a cage. It's not about the actual rules.
>>2890794>people are always territorial and possessive and trying to get you in trouble over minor thingsLike it's a fucking game. Trying to dig dirt or provoke someone into something so they can cry to police or security or however is the nearby authority just to fuck with you sometimes. Or you have a job and people try to undermine you and trick you into doing something bad so they can rat you out. They try and trap you. For fucking what? It's fun?
>>2890801I think a lot of people moved to America because they enjoy being violent and antisocial and its totally tolerated here because of "muh individualism" you are allowed to flip out over a minor mistake or misunderstanding and there's this whole "stand your ground" culture and expectation of aggression its very alien to me, people don't want to get along here they wanna look cool and tough
>>2890794Most Americans are very non-confrontational, live and let live people. But the angry Americans (no matter their skin color) are always one trigger away from a full-blown rageout. America has more violent locked-away criminals per capita than any other country in the world. It stands to reason that America also has more violent criminals roaming free per capita than any other country in the world. Yet somehow, most Americans go about their day in a placid bubble of indifference to their surroundings. They think they will be safe from crime if they avoid eye contact with troublemaker males. Seriously. This is what Americucks actually do in their cities.I think Kentucky is the state with the highest percentage of inhabitants born within state lines. It's a good contender for "the most American state in America".
>>2890799There are all kinds of ordinances passed by USFS and BLM offices which serve to govern behavior on public lands. Often there are no-camping zones for public land near inhabited places under USFS or BLM jurisdiction. Some public land is state trust land and requires a paid permit to access. State trust land parcels may be mixed with BLM land parcels. And county sheriffs always have the right to patrol public roads in their county, including those passing through public lands. >>2890809Americans put on their NPC face when they go out in their cars, but if you start trouble with them personally, their real personality will present itself. You have to watch your mouth, you can scream profanity at the walls all you want because "muh free expression", but you can't go apeshit on the mutts themselves. Most Americans have a very casual attitude toward killing somebody who threatens or menaces them in any way. Their response goes from "eh, what's your problem?" to BAM BAM YOUR DEAD. They think it's better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.Yet for all this, the USA has no more murders per capita than oh-so-safe Thailand.
>>2890872>Their response goes from "eh, what's your problem?" to BAM BAM YOUR DEADthat's how germanic people actthe fake nice to super violent with little provocationI mean, Vikings were known as brutal warriors.
>>2889890>>2889878I'd love to get that sense of vast emptiness and horizon of the plains/desert and a feel of the country. Everywhere I look about one away coast to coast road trip they recommend pacific northwest - Texas - driving along the coast - NYC. I assume they think a tourist wants to see *things* and have things to do. Do I have to live there to experience this? Would a nature road trip work or would it mostly be driving 5h+ per day through tall corn fields?
>>2890934The Great Basin is the region you want to go if you want to experience epic desolation. Fly into Las Vegas airport, rent a car, stock it with emergency supplies and head north. Then make your way over the mountains to the coast in NorCal or Oregon or even Washington. The change from brown to green is very enjoyable to experience.
>>289087The US doesn't have a murder problem among whites. The murder rate among whites in the US is roughly the same as it is in Europe. It's the blacks and Hispanics that are responsible for the insane homicides in the US. Nearly all of the murders in the US happens in cities that are predominantly black or Hispanic. You have a better chance of getting murdered in Estonia than in a predominantly white state in the US like Idaho, Maine or Vermont. No one gets killed on BLM land in Utah.
>>2891593And guess who you will be staying around if you're a poorfag traveling in America trying to cheap out on everything?
>>2891662Other poor people
>>2889857I think I found that spothttps://maps.app.goo.gl/ndTUXKJ2TwQkDeJ16?g_st=ac
>>2891593>The murder rate among whites in the US is roughly the same as it is in Europenah its still 3x of the homicide rate of germany. you can ask grok if you dont believe me.
>>2890809>antisocialsome aspect of it is hypersocial rather than antisocial. the culture encourages confrontation as a way to display your virtue, so you are supposed to "stand up" for somebody else over a perceied microaggression even when the dispute has nothing to do with you. in this way you are virtuous and an outstanding citizen to be rewarded with likes and praise on media
>>2890791>spotlight hit you up at 2 AMthey have done exactl that to me, but claiming that it was because there have been bears in the area and so i should watch out for bears. at 2 am
>>2890627>midwesterners will drive 4 hours to see some ball game or other mundane thing.i knew a guy who would drive from illinois to ohio every weekend for sex
>>2891593White Americans have to stop coping about this, you know very well guns are at fault and US living standards would skyrocket as a nation if you got rid of them. This is one of those thing conservatards cling to for some reason, even though it would help them mog Europoors even more. >You have a better chance of getting murdered in Estonia than in a predominantly white state in the USLol. Lmao. No. Children can safely run around at late evenings there by themselves, as in most of Eastern Europe. Ukraine and Russia were safer than US before the war.
>>2892756No other citizens on Earth have as much collective spending power, horsepower and firepower as American citizens do. There's no way you can convince Americans that reducing their horsepower or firepower is going to benefit them.>children can safely run around in the eveningIn the whiter, older parts of America, that is still the norm, because everybody knows their neighbors and looks out for each other. But all it takes is one sketchy incident being publicized, and all the kids are pulled off the streets to become poorly socialized autistic videogamers who spend all their free time alone in their bedrooms.
>>2889958Agree on everything except the food. You are not eating on $30 a day unless the only shit you are eating are pasta or some other carb variation as majority of your food source.
>>2892987>poorly socialized autistic videogamers who spend all their free time alone in their bedrooms.Reporting.
>>2892744We fly across the world to pay for sex so he's better than the rest of us.
>>2892995The key to traveling is spending 4-8 hours a day going outside and seeing stuff and the rest inside alone in your bedroom. You don't have to give that up entirely to travel and be out all day dawn to dusk.
>>2893113You're right. You can stay interested in travel for months at a time when you set a leisurely pace like that. It's also more affordable, because you're not going on expensive all-day tours or some other bullshit. >>2892994Pasta dishes are fucking expensive at American restaurants, just one dish is going to run you $30 after beverage and tax and tip. But if you cook yourself, you can absolutely get a cooler with ice and enjoy a grilled meat dinner in the park on $30 per day.
>>2892995Me, except 23 and 30 are reversed.
>>2890185this, plus a car allows me to speed away from groids looking to victimize me
>>2889970You can't get a 50-70/night motel anywhere worth going to in the USA
>>2889857bump
>>2889857fly in shoulder season, may or septsept gets hurricanes tho
>>2890096This anon is prolific and spams this deep take across the entire site. Yes it is one guy because there are only a few hundred regular posters in this god forsaken place.
>>2890097Ground beef is $9/lb for 75% lean right now... What planet are you from?
>>2889941>>2889997Europeans are adult toddlers with low testosterone that don't know how to drive. I've been driving since I was 14 and was driving in major cities by age 16.
>>2895899>i'm a maladjusted fat virginnice self-own
>>2889857Depends on where you go, hotels will eat up most of your money. If you are tight on money, go in the summer and try to find state parks with campgrounds, that is probably the most economical way to do it.
>>2895888Ground beef is $5 dont be a nincompoop
