Is anybody else here trying to get as many citizenships as they can? I have a Ukrainian and a German one. The Ukrainian one was kinda useful before, but now its more of a liability. I know a person who allegedly has three, including an Israeli one.The goal is obviously to be as flexible as possible and being able to migrate away from danger with your family if SHTF.According to ChatGPT you can easily get one from tax havens in central america, but those are really only useful for taxes. If the world goes to shit, those will not be good places to go. And they cost around 100k+ in investments to obtain
>>2890608it's pointless for most people. don't know why you need more than 2
>>2890608I have Spanish and Argentinean citizenship (I got the latter out of necessity and I really regret getting it, now I'm permanently stuck with it since you can't renounce it)>citizenshipmaxxingIsn't a thing unless you're an UHNWI because every country with a citizenship worth a damn has absolutely draconian requirements for naturalization.Why bother making a thread on this topic when realistically no one posting here can take advantage of it?I think it would be more interesting and productive, not to mention entirely on-topic, to discuss the politics surrounding international travel, specifically the myriad restrictions imposed by countries limiting one's mobility. This is a grave affront to our right to roam that isn't talked about enough
>>2890643>I think it would be more interesting and productive, not to mention entirely on-topic, to discuss the politics surrounding international travel, specifically the myriad restrictions imposed by countries limiting one's mobility. This is a grave affront to our right to roam that isn't talked about enoughwhat examples are you referring to?
>>2890643>our right to roamthere is no such thingrather, the rights of actual citizens who contribute to their country and way of life should have a right to be free from random piece of shit foreigners traipsing through their land for entertainment purposesthere is very little more disrespectful or disgusting than treating someone else's struggle or conditions as a novelty
>>2890637Ukrainian one is worthless now - would only get me conscripted if I entered Ukraine. German one is very valuable at the moment, as long as we are part of the EU. But EU itself might fall apart if things continue as they do. And when German economy completely collapses, I want to relocate to a more stable country with wife and kids.
>>2890608I've got UK, Aus, Israeli (not Jewish, I just faked it with the help of one of my exes because she wanted us to get a free holiday together) and Italian.
>>2890643Why do you regret getting the Argentine citizenship? I was thinking of trying to get it, it seems like a pretty good passport and non-onerous citizenship requirements.
>>2890656>And when German economy completely collapses, I want to relocate to a more stable country with wife and kids.This is your brain when you gorge on incel threads on /pol/
>>2890650Why are you saying this on a travel board? You believe people should be allowed to close their towns and villages to outsiders like they did under COVID all over the world? BTW the Republican-voting counties next to mine in Colorado voted to ban all non-county residents from entering or remaining within their county, even if they had second homes there. Yes, your neighbors will call the cops and have you arrested for "bugging out" from the city to their rural, plague-free area when they see your license plate is from Texas.The sudden and unpredictable travel and stay restrictions which happened during COVID (when I just got my new passport and dreamed of seeing the world) really made it clear that being able to see the world is a privilege which you should do while you can, because eventually there will be a time when you will never be able to take an overseas flight again.
>>2890714>You believe people should be allowed to close their towns and villages to outsiders like they did under COVID all over the world?I'm not the guy you're replying to, but I unironically believe that yes, every community has this right. Their right to self-governance is higher on the totem pole of rights than my right to go visit them. I enjoy travel but only in places where I am welcome. The desire of people to force themselves into places where they're despised and unwanted (like everyone going to Japan nowadays) is really disgusting and pathetic.
>>2890608There's a logarithmic curve of usefulness. Having a backup is great, both for travel and as insurance from one of the countries getting wrecked by a random monkeh invasion.But having 5 passports is largely useless. Having one good citizenship is better than 5 african passports. Having 5 shit tier passports on top of a first world one means you will never use any of them, so you're wasting time and money buying worthless paper. Good passports don't sell for cheap.If you have so much money that it makes sense to avoid taxes somewhere in tahiti, your accountant would be handling this and not an image board. But for 98% of normal applications, 2 decent citizenships cover everything you will ever actually need.
>>2890698nta but tax
>>2890608It should be illegal. Are you a jew?
>>2890670Oh, so you "faked" something to get Israeli citizenship? Nice larp.
>>2890737it is illegal for many countries
>>2890735interesting, because my motivation behind wanting the citizenship is primarily for tax benefits. I'm of the assumption that Argentina doesn't collect tax as long as you're residing outside of the country, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>2890742who cares, Israelis go around the rest of the world lying and scamming and taking advantage of local systems everywhere they go. They probably realized he was lying and gave him citizenship because someone with such flimsy morality and brazen chutzpah will fit right in in Israel.
>>2890724There is no earthly power that has (or rather should have) the authority to tell me where I can or cannot tread.As for communities having the right to refuse strangers: such insularity and parochialism are not good for it.Any rational community will come around and understand the benefits of opening their hearths and hearts to strangers if it's explained to them in clear terms.There's not just the tangible financial advantages that come with opening up to outsiders but also the possibilities for cultural exchange as well.Pic related, an American sage sharing a nugget of perennial wisdom.
>>2890743Citizenship as a zero-sum compact, it requires undivided loyalty, civic participation, and a unified national identity. When a person holds two passports, their fundamental allegiance is diluted, turning a profound moral and social bond into a mere transactional convenience. These people can't ever be considered trustworthy.
>>2890747It would never happen. Have you ever been there? Do you know what kind of security they have just to get into the country let alone give some random citizenship?
>>2890742Pulling jewish tricks to get Israeli citizenship is proof that one is mentally jewish.
>>2890750>There is no earthly power that has (or rather should have) the authority to tell me where I can or cannot tread.Ok, then how about I tread myself into your living room and rest my nuts on your chin? You won't mind, right? Since no one can tell others where they can or cannot tread.>Any rational community will come around and understand the benefits of opening their hearths and hearts to strangers if it's explained to them in clear terms.I think that's something each community should decide for itself. Look how well this ideology is going for Europe and Canada. The influx of strangers should absolutely be regulated.>the possibilities for cultural exchange as well.sounds cute and appeals to people incapable of considering downstream effects. We have recipes and books; I can find cultural exchange without turning my hometown into a Mumbai slum.>Pic related, an American sage sharing a nugget of perennial wisdom.Twain lived in a time when travel meant taking a riverboat to the next state over and realizing that people in Kentucky aren't so different from people in Tennessee after all. I used to unironically subscribe to the belief that "travel is fatal to prejudice," when I was a sheltered first-world dweller and foreigners were just novelties with interesting food and funny accents. It was actually seeing the world and traveling to dozens of countries that turned me into a racist. Indians are not like me, and they don't belong in my lands.
>>2890754I wonder if a Christian can class israeli citizenship by saying they are from the Biblical tribe of Israel
>>2890769*claimDamn autocorrect
>>2890708Even the news is gloom posting about Germany. Why you getting butthurt over this?
>>2890735How much? It can't be that bad. I'd be interested in citizenship from Argentina or Paraguay.
>>2890608Worthwhile to get one but a permanent residence or even consistent non-permanent residence is likely good enough and its almost never worth it to organize your life around this instead of just focusing on making more money
>>2890608I looked into getting a polish passport. There's a window between like 1900 and 1920 where if a family member emigrated to US you're eligible. Mine emigrated in 1921, so the odds are slim unless I want to pay a lawyer 20k. Likewise tried with Ireland, but my family is more than 3 generations removed, so pretty much impossible.Other than having a relative from that country the only way to get a passport from a country worth having one is paying a lot of money for it.
>>2890765He literally wrote a book about his travels to Europe and the Levant with q bunch of other tourists>The Innocents Abroad, or The New Pilgrim's Progress is a travel book by American author Mark Twain. Published in 1869, it humorously chronicles what Twain called his "Great Pleasure Excursion" on board the chartered steamship Quaker City (formerly USS Quaker City) through Europe and the Holy Land with a group of American travelers in 1867.>I used to unironically subscribe to the belief that "travel is fatal to prejudice," when I was a sheltered first-world dweller and foreigners were just novelties with interesting food and funny accents. It was actually seeing the world and traveling to dozens of countries that turned me into a racist.Sounds like you took away the wrong lessons lil bro. Maybe you need to do some growing up and getting life experience before coming to conclusions. You don't want to end up being a lifelong chud now do you?
>>2890608One other western passport (US/Commonwealth) + EU would be useful, anything beyond that is dumb and creates potential obligations.
This is basically solved math. Euro passport or japan passport plus UAE lets you go just about anywhere you would actually want to go.
>>2890909I've spent the last 15 years living in various countries that are not my home country, ranging from third world to first world. I think you need some life experience lil bro. You sound like you spent a week at a resort in Mexico and thought, "wow, Miguel sure is nice and he makes a mean margarita, I guess the west should just get rid of all immigration laws now">He literally wrote a book about his travels to Europe and the Levant with q bunch of other touriststhe (((levant))). Big surprise, Jews trying to destabilize the west through loose immigration policy is nothing new.
>>2890948>japan passport plus UAEJapan doesn't allow dual citizenship. Some people have it by birth, but after 20, you have to choose and they're becoming increasingly strict with their checks of whether you've actually relinquished other citizenships. Plus getting UAE citizenship takes a whole fucking lifetime.
>>2890987Yeah its a giant waste of time unless you are rich (then just buy one) or live in a western European commie police state and your government is genociding you
>>2890970>I've spent the last 15 years living in various countries that are not my home countryTry 28, I've lived my entire life abroad although I understand that my personal circumstances are highly irregular and don't reflect the experiences of the average person. That's all the more reason why I firmly believe in the quote above, my background affords me a privileged perspective that reinforces the necessity of travel as a means to broaden the mind and the heart. I can't believe someone has been traveling for so long hasn't developed more empathy for his fellow human beings.Funny you should mention Mexico, I actually lived a total of 8 years there, and it definitely wasn't in a walled off resort.>the (((levant))). Big surprise, Jews trying to destabilize the west through loose immigration policy is nothing new.At the time Twain wrote that book the Levant was part of the Ottoman Empire.Judging by your response you browse too much /pol/ and don't read enough books.You should start with The Innocents Abroad, its one of the finest examples of the travelogue and you sound like you would really benefit from reading it.Your statement is just plain wrong.Israelactually ppractices some of the most inhumane form of exclusion ever witnessed in history.Settlers dispossess Palestinians by chasing them out of their homes then occupying the vacant houses like they own the place. They herd them into the overcrowded Gaza Strip where they don't have adequate access to utilities, food or medicine and then lock them in with walls from all sides, shooting anyone who dares to "trespass" (sound familiar?).Closed societies like Israel, apartheid South Africa or the Jim Crow-era South are not places anybody would want to live in like you think, they are dystopian and dysfunctional hellholes.
>>2891010Fuck your empathy, leftoid. Your underage female relatives should get raped by a pack of niggers and male relatives should get beaten and robbed daily, because that's exactly what you want to happen with my people. Nice fence, we need that in Europe, plus machine guns on top. Or is that very scary for you, redditor? All problems in the only good places in the world- White West and Japan, is caused do to shitskins and white leftists.
>>2890608How? Are you rich? Don't most countries want a million dollar investment for citizenship?
>>2891034Not that guy but I personally highly prefer far left and communist countries. Right wing countries like America and Russia have too much melanin for my tastes.
>2891034>most compassionate and mentally stable right wingerAnyways, why not go to Israel? Their reputation has been badly damaged so I'm sure they're only too happy to take any help they can get, including from a gentile.You'll get to live in a country where light-skinned people are privileged and brown people are oppressed by law.They'll probably give you a gun for free and tell you to go wild on Palestinian kids.
>>2890608Have American and German. It makes traveling to Europe slightly less of a hassle but so far having both hasn't really benefited me.
>>2890656Literal parasite. Suck one host dry and then move on to the next one.
>>2891010Thanks for the book recommendation, I’ll check it out.That said, I’m not sure why you presume that more exposure to browns will equal more empathy. It wasn’t until I lived overseas and got plenty of exposure to jeets and Africans that I realized how incompatible with western civilization they are. Not saying I feel hatred towards them or anything; I just carry the knowledge that you can’t bring millions of them to the west and expect things not to get worse.
>>2891010Closed societies like, apartheid South Africa or the Jim Crow-era South are places everybody would want to live in. People flocked there by the millions they are utopian functional paradises.
I have a canadian and swedish passport + a US green card so in the near future I'll have an american passport... I'm also eligible for a bulgarian one but it would be redundant to have multiple EU passports
>>2890608>Citizenshipmaxxingthe strategy didn't change since 2021 (when both countries allowed dual citizenship)>get EU passportsome are slightly better than others, but difference are too small to matterGerman one is historically the best (stability over time and number of embassies / foreign representation)also fairly easy to getnowadays Spain or France are technically minimally more powerful though (if you only care about visa free entry)>get UAE passportalmost no drawbacks other than cost (and difficulty)get permanent residency through investment / home purchase, then 10y later get nominated for citizenshipunless you talk about economic opportunitythen the undisputed combination is>EU + US passporttechnically a green card would be enough for the USor you're a billionaire and want a bunker for the upcoming nuclear warthen get NZ kekfor traveling in generalany single EU passport is enough though (or Switzerland / Norway)you likely will never get any Visa denied (if you need one)
>>2891093Ireland is the most OP one since it also lets you live and work in the UK
>>2891093US passport comes with the tax burden.
>>2891146Your income abroad is only taxed starting above $100k. Your domestic income is exempt unless you clear like $15k. So you can come to the US at the end of the tax year, earn $30k split into two tax years and leave and pay very little tax. Similar with overseas income
noooo if only i had a eu passportits not fair its not fair i want an eu passport
>>2891146yes, that is a big disadvantage of US citizenshipyou don't necessarily pay more taxes (many countries do have double taxation treaties)but you do have to explicitly declare them every year (also more difficulty opening non-US based bank accounts / brokerages)US citizenship is really only worth if you actually want to work in the USwhich you want if you're a highly educated domain expert in any field top end US salary are sadly still unmatchedeven more so if you're going the Startup / Self Employment route
Does anyone actually know about this or has this thread turned into a political debate?Major reason you get a second passport (which doesn't necessitate a second citizenship) is simply a spare in case you lose one, because no county to my knowledge will issue duplicates. Losing your passport can totally fuck up your travel/ business plans and emergency papers are punitivly priced. Other reasons: national travel restrictionsYou may want or need to travel to counties against the wishes of your home country, and increasingly these travel bans are enforced by airlines who though under no legal obligation, will still fuck passengers. And increasingly travel bans are political, rather then relating to any actual issue for the traveller. Third reason, your county refuses to issue proper papers at all. China. Turkey. Forcing citizens to travel on national ID, or only to preselected destinations. Anti expatriate measures. Fourth reason, visa availability and cost. Many counties will attempt to force travellers from certain counties to take certain visa types, usually to prevent abuse, sometime just as a kind of tax. Other reasons: opsec and transit security, travellers may be at risk in transit, notably isrealis, Russians, ukranians, Syrians, typically through no fault of their own. Being detained and interrogated while in transit, especially if you have a lay over. Sometimes it's to do with money laundering or smuggling, embargos, maybe your father is a minister or a general or something. You'd be well advised to travel on a third counties passport simply to avoid being flagged as a national. Many counties will database passport holders anyway but counties in this position and people in this position can often take advantage of non-cooperation on the national side. The last reason is essentially abuse, where you might try to for example get two concurrent tourist visas by re-entering with a different passport,
The other reason I see a lot is counties where there are in-person visa requirements which entrench a corrupt third party application process, forcing everyone to pay huge sums to an agent. In these cases you may enter with one passport, then apply in-person with the second, which is typically legal, in tin pot republics being in-country is a huge advantage in negotiating visas with local authorities. So getting your teachers visa signed off by the local beuro who are glad to have you there, rather then the central beuro through agencies who may well conspire to lame visa applications from commercial competitors. R3ddit will get on their soap box about what is and isn't legal, possible, etc etc but that is just lying about the things they don't want to believe.
>>2891264all of this only applies to third world passports. and everywhere uses biometrics instead of passport number to identify you now
How to actually get papers:I wrote a long post but 4chan fucked it up. 1. Buy papersMany counties will simply sell citizenship, typically to people who buy land. Functionally you don't own the land, have no illusions, the acceptance of these papers can be limited but often this is the simplest option. 2. Ancestry visasMany counties will give papers to repats, visiting family, plans on looking after extended relatives, your whole family considering repatriation, attempts to join a national army, settling in culturally or militarily contested regions. Political allegiance can factor in here to the extent that some counties are prepared to overlook the fact you're not even 1% Jewish, Greek, whatever. These visas are essentially discretionary3. Marriage visas (genuine)Many counties want wealthy foreigners to settle with local wives, the threat of all their young attractive citizens fleeing with foreign partners is the stick. Marriage visa is the carrot. Often local partners single mindedly want to flee so you can easily end up in a situation where you end up living in Poland, your angry wife lives in the UK. But you may not care. The inference that you've impregnated a local woman factors in strongly, and if the child turns out not to be yours, strong caution, many counties will now legally consider you the father anyway. Yes really. But the other side of this is that third counties won't, so if you get a French passport this way then move to Spain (hypotheticaly), Spain may accept your French papers, but not recognise a child support claim from a French-african you're not genetically related to. But these laws can change. 4. Marriage (sham)Sham marriages are recognised by degree as a local industry, many counties export prostitutes this way and are more then happy for you to have their passport, if it means they have one less harlot they have to deal with. Again, bear in mind that third counties may give your sham spouse rights her home county doesn't.
