BTC should drop 10-20% to it's next ATL before the start of next year. If it doesn't then the ATL has already occurred and you can "safely" DCA monthly starting jan-mar.
Count 24 months from the ATL (or jan-mar) and then cash out in 10-20% tranches in the final 6-12 months of the bull market. Don't try time the top, set it all up automatically.
With BTC alone you're looking at ~3x with this strategy. Don't try push higher, don't try trade, don't use leverage, don't pay attention to the news, don't even think about any of it. Automate it and forget.
Since you have 4k you can easily spare 1/4 or more per month.

Alternatively, SPCX IPO'd recently and you can put it in that for a "safer" investment. But it's unlikely to experience the same growth as TSLA since its IPO because that would require around ~15% of global GDP captured. SO you're looking at a conservative 8-12% per year which isn't enough for your purposes.

The ~$1k per month into BTC is the most viable and safe strategy to meet your 30k target. If you're uncertain, pay someone to manage it for you.

>48k/yr
>need 30k more a year

For what? IF you play your cards right and shuffle between SEA countries you're going to be loaded in 2-3 years. It's entirely possible to live there on 1200 a month.

If you really need a job just get some BS online remote customer service job you don't care about losing.

>>2892481
>BRO JUST GAMBLE HEAR ME OUT!

just move to the Philippines

>>2892465
>get a wife
Are you actually looking for the love of your life, or do you just want someone to clean up your mess and cook you food?

Because >>2892496 is a good answer if you're looking for the latter.

>>2892484
Everything is a gamble mate. >90% of businesses fail. Stocks go up and down. You could get fired tomorrow or shot up for no reason. Surprise heart attack motherfucker. Cancer bitch.
If you are incapable of assessing risk/reward then you are a literal NPC.

And i'll grant that a quarter of his total income is a lot to allocate to high risk assets but it's the only asset that will give him the growth he wants. If he was willing to wait 10+ years i'd say just to invest it in legacy systems but i'm guessing OP wants 30k in a shorter timeframe.

>For what? IF you play your cards right and shuffle between SEA countries you're going to be loaded in 2-3 years. It's entirely possible to live there on 1200 a month.
Case in point for "gambling". There are many natural disasters in SEA.

Did you know that condoms are nowhere near 99% effective at preventing pregnancies? And only 80% effective at preventing STD's.
1/5 chance every time you stick it in.

If you're VA w/ Dis do >>2892496 you can basically get an all furnished/utilities included condo in Makati for ~600-700 a month. Assuming you're like 99% of DV's a pino wife is about on the same mental level as you so won't be annoying and probably-see surely- baby you.

>>2892501
Anon BTC is far more volatile other investments, especially if he has secured 4k/mo income. He'd be better off using his Military benefits to buy a house for no money down lowest interest rates possible(assuming his credit score is over something that begins with a 6), and lease out. Personally I'd just tell OP to split his pay 2000 into checking 2000 into a high yield savings, maybe take 500 from savings and play the crypto lotto

>>2892501
>Case in point for "gambling". There are many natural disasters in SEA.
Anon, I natural disaster in Bangkok is like "ah shit the first floor of my apartment building flooded!" or so severe they are gg no alive anymore. Crypto is random people decided to dump lol now you're value is in the shitter.

>>2892502
>Anon BTC is far more volatile other investments,
I stated this as "high risk assets". I'm sorry you can't read.
>especially if he has secured 4k/mo income.
Logic fail. The more income he has the less risk to his total capital.
>He'd be better off using his Military benefits to buy a house for no money down lowest interest rates possible(assuming his credit score is over something that begins with a 6), and lease out.
Lmao
>Personally I'd just tell OP to split his pay 2000 into checking 2000 into a high yield savings
>high yield savings
You mean 5-6%????
>maybe take 500 from savings and play the crypto lotto
That won't meet his target. Can you do math please before speaking to me.

>>2892503
>Crypto is random people decided to dump lol now you're value is in the shitter.
You know absolutely nothing about crypto. Less than I know about Bangkok and its rate of natural disasters. BTC is a proven asset, i'm not telling him to buy jeetcoinSAAR#125643647575 "10x guarantee sarr"
Like I said, if you can't assess the risk/reward yourself then you are an NPC. EVERY country and every fund holds some BTC now.

>>2892505
>Like I said, if you can't assess the risk/reward yourself then you are an NPC. EVERY country and every fund holds some BTC now.

The volatility of BTC is not worth the gamble, I never said it wasn't viable. A lot of people who say BTC = crypto in general anyways. If OP has no savings the literal first thing he should do is create an emergency fund that is only going to decrease if he has to access it, plenty of banks out there offer near 4% interest in savings with immediate availability and is insured. Crypto has no such backing, just last year we saw it go all over the place.

>You know absolutely nothing about crypto.
I do, and I know throwing "how 2 win" crypto for someone looking to make a side hussle of 30/yr is pants on head retarded for someone from the US military. He'll end up a homeless vet junky after a few months.

>>2892511
>The volatility of BTC is not worth the gamble,
That's an opinion. And more, it's an opinion without data.
> A lot of people who say BTC = crypto in general anyways.
Only people who don't engage in crypto at all. That's like saying tsla = stocks.
>If OP has no savings the literal first thing he should do is create an emergency fund that is only going to decrease if he has to access it,
I assume he does. One month of wages is an emergency fund.
>plenty of banks out there offer near 4% interest in savings with immediate availability and is insured
Opportunity cost.
>Crypto has no such backing, just last year we saw it go all over the place.
As with the interest rates on mortgages the past five years which impacted more people than the volatility of BTC.
>I do, and I know throwing "how 2 win"
Projection. You did this same thing with housing mate.
> make a side hussle of 30/yr is pants on head retarded for someone from the US military
I misread. I didn't realize he wanted 30/yr.
But you have low opinion of people who served in the military and the last sentence is just FUD with no basis. I can do the same.
If OP puts his money in savings inflation will eat it. If OP buys a house then 1-2 years down the line the interest rates will spike and he'll sell at a loss.

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>>2892512
>That's an opinion. And more, it's an opinion without data.

>>2892511
Also, every government and investment fund disagrees with this opinion.
>The volatility of BTC is not worth the gamble
You have been cordial so I don't like to assume but I will, you probably dislike ai too.

>>2892513
>1yr
Now do 5, 10, 15.
Since cordiality is out of the window and I know you're engaging in bad faith with no experience or knowledge i'm just going to stop. Have a good life mate.

For OP. BTC historically cycles 3 years bull market (growth) and 1 year bear.
This is the reason I suggested waiting for another 10-20% drop or until the first quarter of next year to begin deploying funds if you choose to.
The first two years will see the most growth, while the third will be the most horizontal which is why you want to exit in 10-20% tranches during this period. By doing this you won't capture 100% of growth (impossible anyway) but you will eliminate >80% of drawdowns.
Worst case you're going to have the same amount as you started with because year over year BTC maintains a positive growth when averaged.
If you really CBA dealing with it I suggest paying a professional to manage this for you and explain the strategy I outlined and ask them if it's kosher.

>>2892512
>I assume he does. One month of wages is an emergency fund.
You think a Disabled vet has savings, lmao look at this retarded civi.
>Opportunity cost.
Not applicable in the context of the OP.
>As with the interest rates on mortgages the past five years which impacted more people than the volatility of BTC.
Anon, Vet's get deals for their service in loans. 5.3% fixed for 15 years lmao, what are you even talking about. Do you know anything about purchasing a home or physical equity?
>Projection. You did this same thing with housing mate.
No you literally think on paper, everything I've stated has far less associated risk. A Savings account with 4% APY is worth it to fall back on and "muh inflation" affects everything it's more or less keeping pace, there are things that can outpace it but a savings account is a good way to start. CD's etc whatever.
>If OP puts his money in savings inflation will eat it. If OP buys a house then 1-2 years down the line the interest rates will spike and he'll sell at a loss.
What part about my post did you not see, LEASE. Holy fucking ESL. I have tons of friends who all they did after service was get a house, lease out by room in Virginia 800/room he made 3200/mo, that's more in line with the 30k extra OP is trying to pull in. If OP's entire goal is to get a wife at some point, he's going to need a house. He can lease out for 5 or so years, say "alright no lease renewals" take it back over with a majority of the house paid for if not paid entirely off.
>But you have low opinion of people who served in the military and the last sentence is just FUD with no basis. I can do the same.
Yes because I grew up in a military town, worked as a contractor for military bases, have people who are VA w/ dis, and know exactly how dumb those people can be. Smart people go into the private sector in contracting more than not.

>>2892515
No I'm calling this shit out because what you posted has no chance of making an extra 30k/yr with his income

>random coinjeet shits up the thread with 1000 replies

>>2892518
>You think a Disabled vet has savings, lmao look at this retarded civi.
He has ~$4k per month. If he doesn't have savings it's his own problem.
>Not applicable in the context of the OP.
Opportunity cost is always applicable. You are literally retarded.
> Vet's get deals for their service in loans. 5.3% fixed for 15 years lmao, what are you even talking about.
I didn't know that. That does change the outlook on the real estate avenue to 30/yr but it depends on this $4k and whether it is spare income or he's spending it all already.
>No you literally think on paper, everything I've stated has far less associated risk.
Housing is more risky.
> Savings account with 4% APY is worth it to fall back on and "muh inflation" affects everything it's more or less keeping pace,
Actually retarded.
OP even if you don't take my advice, ignore this retard.
>What part about my post did you not see, LEASE. Holy fucking ESL.
Leasing is the risky part. I'm a native english speaker and white. Stop trying to attack my credibility and refute what I said.
NOTHING you offer reaches 30k/yr except this potentially.
>I have tons of friends who all they did after service was get a house, lease out by room in Virginia 800/room he made 3200/mo, that's more in line with the 30k extra OP is trying to pull in. If OP's entire goal is to get a wife at some point, he's going to need a house. He can lease out for 5 or so years, say "alright no lease renewals" take it back over with a majority of the house paid for if not paid entirely off.

>No I'm calling this shit out because what you posted has no chance of making an extra 30k/yr with his income
Mathlet. It's ok, you're a self admitted retard. Speak to a financial adviser. OP should do the same. If I had $4k I would deploy a hybrid strategy with your suggestion of leasing and the rest in legacy stocks/BTC. This way he's exposed to the potential growth but minimizes risk.

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>>2892527
>NOTHING you offer reaches 30k/yr except this potentially.
A 4br @ 800 per room is 38.4k/yr, minus taxes it's going to be close to 35k/yr. My friend who is currently doing this is at 950/room, all others have settled down and moved back into their multi bedroom places that got paid off.
>I didn't know that. That does change the outlook on the real estate avenue to 30/yr but it depends on this $4k and whether it is spare income or he's spending it all already.
Are you actually saying to get a 30 year? okay you are actually retarded. Vets can do a 0 dollar down or downpayment forgiveness if they promise not to flip it for X years.
>Leasing is the risky part. I'm a native english speaker and white. Stop trying to attack my credibility and refute what I said.
You have to be a foreigner who doesn't know shit about the US markets, vets, or anything relative to the USA. Guessing you're aussie. I was being nice with ESL because you either fundementally don't understand what the markets are like in the USA or intentionally twistin/ignoring what OP's goal of 30k/yr side income is.

>NOTHING you offer reaches 30k/yr except this potentially.
Leasing a house out to friends or people, achieves his goals, makes him money, and at the end of his travels will have something to call his back home. Housing markets traditionally outpace inflation.

If all else fails OP has a house to fall back into and rethink his situation, a 185k 4br house @ 15 year 5.3% is like 1200/mo, taxes maybe ~120-160 depending on the state(homestead acts, military benefits). At the very worst case situation he has ~2500/mo left over to do fuck all with. This is the safest, most secure, highest probability of return on investment out there. So yes leasing out as he sees fit to make cash will make him that 30k/yr.

There is no way you are familiar with the US and just guessing from University of /biz/ memes

>>2892506
The only way OP can HOPE to make 30k a year extra on the side is taking the gamble on random shitcoin like pepe or doge blowing up. With 48k USD a year investing in bitcoin really isn't going to see those returns unless he all-ins with his savings and income. So just don't eat for a year. lol
>>2892520
SIRS U NOT UNDERSTAND SIRS PLEASE APPLY NOW INVEST SIRS I AM TELLING YOU INVEST PROVEN SIRS JUST BELIEVE SIRS

>>2892501
>Everything is a gamble mate. >90% of businesses fail. Stocks go up and down. You could get fired tomorrow or shot up for no reason. Surprise heart attack motherfucker. Cancer bitch.
If you are incapable of assessing risk/reward then you are a literal NPC.
This cope always comes first when you call out a gambler, lmao

>>2892537
No you don't understand inflation!!!1 Okay sure it lost 50% last year but like LOL who cares. Okay sure there are bills out there that tax crypto coming up but like just don't pay the IRS EZ! Sure The dividends don't pay like APY or cold hard cash but like dude just wait.

I'm convinced these people are mid-late 20's/early 30's living at home and never knew what rent is outside airbnb bookings in SEA

>>2892527
>Leasing is the risky part.
In America you pay like a few hundred bucks for a lawyer to write up a lease agreement, have the house certified for occupancy(if you want fed grants to pay) and done. Taxes in most states are <2% for the house appreciated cost which is often lower than the purchase price.
>Housing is more risky.
Anon, just stop. Housing is more risky? The biggest return on investment out there when it comes to leasing? Are you fucking with me? Rent adjusts to inflation and often exceeds it, are you actually this retarded? Why do you think landlords have so much money. Sure the initial investment is high, the ability to collect monthly on income is insane returns. Not to sound jewish but that's what it is.

You know if you run out of money you can put the house back up to a bank and get the value of it instantly, at least in the USA right? Sure it might be a ARM or a 10% deal for 15 years but you can get near market rate in exchange for cash right there.
If you lose your job, all you are required to pay is property taxes which at that point you can pay various ways.

Bitcoin if it faulters, you're just straight up fucked "ooopsies" about it went down to someone doesn't cut it unless you only think over the internet.
>>2892537
Just one more scratch ticket to win!

>>2892529
>Vets can do a 0 dollar down or downpayment forgiveness if they promise not to flip it for X years.
Didn't know that either. I don't know anything about what privileges vets get.
>Leasing a house out to friends or people, achieves his goals, makes him money
Leasing is the risky part here since he has fixed rates. Don't lease to friends.
>>2892534
>The only way OP can HOPE to make 30k a year extra on the side is taking the gamble on random shitcoin like pepe or doge blowing up.
Wrong. Just do the math. If you don't want to that's fine.
>With 48k USD a year investing in bitcoin really isn't going to see those returns unless he all-ins with his savings and income.
With 48k a year he is going to see those returns with BTC alone. He only need 1/4. I already explained this.
This is before you get into memecoins.
>>2892625
>In America you pay like a few hundred bucks for a lawyer to write up a lease agreement, have the house certified for occupancy(if you want fed grants to pay) and done.
That doesn't protect you from bad actors anon.
>Bitcoin if it faulters, you're just straight up fucked "ooopsies" about it went down to someone doesn't cut it unless you only think over the internet.
I already explained the market cycle. If you can't understand it then I don't know what to tell you. Everything I said is easily verifiable in 10 minutes at most.

Get a financial adviser OP. Since real estate risk is minimized for you i'd capitalize on that first unless you live in the blue. I'd still put ~1k in BTC as it's >50% year over year no matter what these retards think of it.

>>2892651
>Leasing is the risky part here since he has fixed rates. Don't lease to friends.
The most trustworthy people? lmao spoken like someone who lost all "friends" after HS
>Wrong. Just do the math. If you don't want to that's fine.
Anon, I...
A 0 down house with 4 people paying at least 800/mo is like what 28K after paying for
>That doesn't protect you from bad actors anon.
A lawyer does and your own intelligence does. You literally have the US government on your side holy shit. It's far less risky than the volatile market of crypto
>I already explained the market cycle. If you can't understand it then I don't know what to tell you. Everything I said is easily verifiable in 10 minutes at most.
You aren't american, you don't understand how it works here, you barely grasp the English language, you are a fucking idiot.
>Get a financial adviser OP. Since real estate risk is minimized for you i'd capitalize on that first unless you live in the blue. I'd still put ~1k in BTC as it's >50% year over year no matter what these retards think of it.
SIRS PLEASE DO BTC PLEASE SIRS. Nigga any financial advisor would tell him to put his capital in physical equity. You are a legit retard if you can't grasp this. I am not even trying to meme here. How successful are you? How's it working for you? And most importantly What country are you from? How old are you.

You reek of someone who can live back with mom and dad any time and if things go poof? welp still have me mum

>>2892651
>. I'd still put ~1k in BTC as it's >50% year over year no matter what these retards think of it.
>>2892513


>>2892520
This has to be a troll

>>2892828
>give money to your family or friends, it'll work bro
1/20 chances, if you have a bro like that then good on you both for being actual based adults and men
>A 0 down house with 4 people paying at least 800/mo is like what 28K after paying for
I was referring to the BTC math
>You literally have the US government on your side holy shit.
Only in some states. Stop pretending that everywhere is a red state. NYC just did some fucked shit for rent.
>you barely grasp the English languag
Everyone uses this argument when they lose ground on other points. I'm a native english speaker. And the topic is mathematical, not linguistic so the relevant domain is mathematics.
>Nigga any financial advisor would tell him to put his capital in physical equity.
You're out of touch by 15 years.
>How successful are you? How's it working for you? And most importantly What country are you from? How old are you.
Retired. Britanistan originally.
>welp still have me mum
Yeah i have functional parents and you have functional friends. OP might have neither.

What i find most interesting is that I KNOW you're a leftist because you refuse to give any reasonable point despite points being given by me when you are reasonable. You won't even admit there's such a thing as bad tenants or the risk of mixing finances with personal relations.
You are only concerned with victory in this retarded argument to boost your ego and not the outcome for OP.
OP's best strategy is a hybrid strategy. Perhaps even at the 500/mo that you suggested if he can tolerate the risk. Hell, go down to 100/mo if he's extremely risk adverse but to avoid BTC entirely in 2026 is nonsensical.

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>>2892834
>1/20 chances, if you have a bro like that then good on you both for being actual based adults and men
You are just a shitty person then
>Only in some states. Stop pretending that everywhere is a red state. NYC just did some fucked shit for rent.
Yeah because moving as a vet of all things is so hard... especially with their priority for housing.
>Everyone uses this argument when they lose ground on other points
If you are fluent in english then you are a retard.
> point despite points being given by me when you are reasonable.
You're telling the dude to gamble. Tomorrow OP could get a house start leasing it, and regardless of travel still have cash left over. Your plan is "bro trust me"
>You're out of touch by 15 years.
>Retired. Britanistan originally.
Yes because you're from an island filled by niggers who can't build shit.

>You are only concerned with victory
Yes because I want OP to succeed not win the internet argument with a retard of "well just gamble it"

>OP's best strategy is a hybrid strategy.
no because you have to commit one or the other stay focused on one thing.

You remind me of the got rich on BTC and now financial advisors. No wonder you guys lost in 1776

>>2892834
>Yeah i have functional parents and you have functional friends. OP might have neither.
Anon if he is out of the military, he's probably 30 something meaning his parents are retirement age. You think going back home to as a "mum 4chan told me to invest so lemme sit here please?" Have some self respect. This is exactly the people I mean that are in Thailand who tell me the west has fallen when their entire life was a bad experience in grade school; all whilst living at home and not sure why women aren't interested in them. Are you daft? women respect a man with their own place.

>>2892842
the boomer (and you) is a fat retard with no sense. You can live comfortably in every city in the world with 2k a month. OP has 4k and is too fat and stupid to figure it out even given the freedom to choose wherever he wishes. he should just go to the philippines and meet a gold digger and accelerate his death

>>2892465
Fuck you faggot you don’t deserve that shit at all

>>2892517
Fuck you you don’t know anything you’re not smart shut the fuck up

>>2892841
>You are just a shitty person then
No i'm not. Everyone else is. When they break into my house or refuse to pay me money back.
>You're telling the dude to gamble.
So are you. All you can say is "this is less risky than that" but you can't eliminate risk.
>Yes because you're from an island filled by niggers who can't build shit.
Built your country.
>Yes because I want OP to succeed not win the internet argument with a retard of "well just gamble it"
Every post you make just proves you wrong.
>no because you have to commit one or the other stay focused on one thing.
Fucking retard that's absolutely not how you invest.
>No wonder you guys lost in 1776
The absolute state of this dialogue. You just refuse to do the math because it proves you wrong. You don't even have the excuse that you're incapable because calculators exist.
>anecdotes
Idc
You're functionally retarded and probably don't even make 2k per month yourself.
>>2892906
I know you're a faggot.

>>2892913
Be fucking quiet you worm. Stop giving this faggot’s thread oxygen

>>2892919
mind your fucking manners

>>2892920
Suck my fucking dick you welfare leach rodent and whatever jeet fucking ferret is gassing you up about crypto.

Shut the FUCK UP

>>2892923
not OP retard
bigily mad that OP gets more money than your entire extended family

So much mad ITT
What's wrong you can't afford some btc?

>>2892923
>Suck my fucking dick
You're a homosexual.