I have a question.

What Chinese cities have the biggest Japanese expat communities? Can you y’all give me like a top 5 or even top 10?

What are they like interacting with other foreigners in the country? Are they open to hanging out or are they pretty closed off?

>>2898239
I have the same question but for South Korean expats in China.

>>2898239
>>2898241
Outside of the obvious answers of Shanghai, Beijing, the cities you're looking for are Qingdao and Dalian. Mainly Qingdao. By a longshot for both Japs and Koreans and nowhere else really worth mentioning.

They do not mingle with white expats at all. I don't think its a lack of willingness but just language barrier and no one ever seeks it out

>>2898239
(apart from the obvious answers of Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen)
>Japanese:
Suzhou
Dalian
Qingdao
Tianjin
Dongguan

>Korean
Yantai
Qingdao
Dalian
Weihai
Shenyang
Tianjin

>>2898247
in my personal experience, Japanese are only willing to spend time with each other and completely shut down in the presence of foreigners, while Koreans are super fun to be around and love drinking with foreigners. Japanese are usually also not very good at English or Chinese, while Koreans typically have ok English and good Chinese.

Some of my best friends from China are Korean and I hope to visit them in Seoul some day

>>2898239
>What Chinese cities have the biggest Japanese expat communities?
>>2898241
>I have the same question but for South Korean expats in China.
If you really want to know search the internet in the target language of the people you're curious about

Im sick of doing duolingo for chinese, whats a better app?

>>2898281
bilibili. better yet, read a book nigga

>>2898247
>>2898251
Thanks for the answers.

Which would you guys say is better for an American to visit, Dalian and Qingdao?

Want to go visit China, but I feel like starting with a Tier 1 city would be too overwhelming. Kind of want to see a city that also has a large Asian expat pop. because I also want to visit those countries later.

>>2898293
The smaller cities are equally overwhelming if not MORE because they are more chaotic, less infrastructure, less police enforcing traffic laws, more people who will shout WAIGUOREN at you, less people who speak English, etc etc
Just go to Shanghai, it's easy and not overwhelming, and there are lots of Japanese and Koreans there

>>2898293
I really like Dalian but QIngdao is a much better first time choice especially if you're not an experienced China traveller. Neither are espeically international but QIngdao is much more so and has better tourist infrastructure, more hotel choice, more things to do, overall more lively, etc.

Speaking of expats, how is Gubei in Shanghai? Is it more a place to live for expats or is it a nice place to visit tourist wise?

>>2898331
Gubei is nice to live in, not much to visit other than Koreatown, though if you want good Korean food then it's worthwhile. Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese expats live there, Whites less so

>>2898247
>>2898251
Are the Japanese expats really that closed off? I imagine in a city like Shanghai the whole point is the meet other expats from all over the world and even the Japanese would be open to meeting new people there. Correct if I’m wrong.

I know there’s izakayas in cities with a large Japanese expat community. Would happen if I’d go there?

I have never been to Hong Kong or China but I have been to Chinatowns in every city I've visited (CDMX, Montreal, Rome, London, Madrid) and I currently live in one in NYC.

Will I regret staying in Hong Kong for 3 days or should I have spent that time in Japan? I noticed all the Chinese people I know asked me why would I bother visiting instead of spending those 3 days in Japan (already spending 16 days in Japan; was a stopover on Cathay I could've done a 2 hour layover in HK for $1300 or stopped in HK for 3 days for $1350).

They claim there's nothing to do in HK especially compared to Japan and it was a lot better 10 years ago; but I figure if I don't visit it its going to turn into a suburb of Shenzen in 30 years and homogenize further

>>2898368
>I currently live in one in NYC.
The ghetto one in Flushing or the fake one in Manhattan? Can you speak mandarin?

>>2898382
ghetto one in flushing and no

>>2898385
the flushing one is how the non-mainland sinosphere is and the plastic manhattan one is how mainland china is
HK people think they speak English and get mad if you use mandarin so that's a plus for you. I don't know what dofags do but HK has better nature and nightlife and different food from Tokyo

>>2898388
>the flushing one is how the non-mainland sinosphere is and the plastic manhattan one is how mainland china is
you have that backwards. Flushing is recent mainland illegals, Manhattan is Hokkien/Southern Chinese that have been around forever

>>2898368
If you've never been I find Hong Kong much more interesting than Japan but I recognize I'm in the minority on that opinion

>>2898354
>the whole point is the meet other expats from all over the world
uhh the 'whole point' to the extent there is one is, I am here on company assignment trying to earn a living. they're not 19 year olds on a study abroad. that being said of course if you find them, drink with them, and are able to somehow communicate, there's no reason you couldnt manage to make a few friends

>>2898368
Eh, 16 days is enough in japan tbqh
You will enjoy the shift between japan and china

I will read the archive. I have never thought of visiting the travel board.

Planning on going to China this October. Beijing - Hubei - Shanxi - Shaanxi at least.

>>2898424
Hubei is kinda boring but Shaanxi and Shanxi are cool
go to Datong

>>2898427
Thanks!

I actually meant to write Hebei, specifically Shijiazhuang which I am treating as a middle point between Beijing and Shanxi province.

>>2898428
bruh Hebei is even more boring than Hubei, especially Shijiazhuang, it's a city of 10 million people that didn't exist before 1950, there is NOTHING to do other than see some fake old buildings and temples in Zhengding county that you will see in Shanxi anyway
just take the HSR to Datong - Luliang - Yan'an - Xi'an

Is it true Dali is like hipster central in China?

>>2898346
>Taiwanese expats

lol what’s it like to be an expat in the country that wants to invade your country at some point in the future? Can Taiwanese citizens just come and go to China since China doesn’t recognize Taiwan anyway? Are they cool to hangout with?

>>2898433
pre-covid yes, but it has definitely seen a falling off since then

>>2898434
Taiwanese citizens can get a 台胞证 Taiwan compatriot card which functions exactly like a Chinese ID card and gives you the same rights as Chinese nationals to work, study etc. They can even get free public healthcare, education, and pensions in some cities. I knew a few Taiwanese in Beijing and they were generally pretty nice and laid back, and always drank a lot of tea

>>2898429
I thought so but I want to use it as a base to go to Yangquan. I might stay there for like a night at most.

Apart from Red Tourism and important landmarks I don't care too much about visiting stuff. I just like to wander around and go drinking at night.

>>2898434
I only called them expats because that's often practically what they are (sent on corporate assignment) but whether or not they see themselves that way is 50/50 and the locals just see them as other Chinese. It is easy to come and go (they're treated as Chinese citizens just with diff travel docs as other mentioned) and no one really cares, its chill, the invasion thing is mostly US boomer hype

I'm going to China for the first time.
I will visit the central and southern cities (Guangzhou, Chonqing, Changsha, Guilin, and maybe some other places depending on how it goes when I'm there).
What I'm worried about is more about "culture difference" things... Like, is the meme about chinese being dirty and smelly true? On a "India to Japan" scale, are the chinese of these cities closer in terms of etiquette to whom?
If I stay only in the big cities, are toilets "normal" or do they still use the toilet hole in the ground thing? Can I trust tap water to drink?

>>2898454
Chinese people are not smelly, East Asians don't really have body odour, but some people smell strongly of cigarettes. People do litter but attitudes are changing, I would say on a politeness level city dwellers are close to Eastern Europe, not like Indians. Toilets in houses and hotels are always western style but public toilets are like 80-20 squat toilets vs western toilets, even in upmarket malls. Do not drink tap water, it's never safe, even when boiled.

>>2898454
>I will visit the central and southern cities (Guangzhou, Chonqing, Changsha, Guilin, and maybe some other places depending on how it goes when I'm there).
>What I'm worried about is more about "culture difference" things... Like, is the meme about chinese being dirty and smelly true? On a "India to Japan" scale, are the chinese of these cities closer in terms of etiquette to whom?
If you interact with them on a surface level you will feel like you are in Japan in terms of cleanliness. There is very little trash on the street and things are orderly. But if you actually have conversations with them you will see they are India tier in the poorer provinces. Girls will be nakedly transactional and even ask you for money just like in India in the poor cities. Chongqing girls are really temperamental but they're good. You might not see these behaviors in Chongqing and Changsha but if you go to smaller west china cities you definitely will
And yes, in the summer asian people smell after sweating just like everyone else. It has a distinct odour, like burning plastic

>>2898454
Toilets vary depending on where you are. Even Japan has hole in the ground toilets once you get out of tourist areas. They're common all across Asia. China isn't dirty at all, but when you get outside of the cities, it can feel like Appalachia. Areas that are a bit poor and undeveloped but everything is very clearly nicer than it was 10 years ago. One thing that makes that obvious is that basically every single town and place of interest has a train going to it. Big cities like Guangzhou will shock you more by how much nicer they are than your own home. Chongqing feels kind of like a nicer, cleaner Southeast Asian city.

Your biggest problem will be that food doesn't cater to anything but Chinese tastes. If you don't like actual Chinese food, you'll struggle. If you like it, you'll be fine. And every region has its own type of cuisine and it's as diverse as food around the entirety of Europe.

>>2898434
>lol what’s it like to be an expat in the country that wants to invade your country at some point in the future? Can Taiwanese citizens just come and go to China since China doesn’t recognize Taiwan anyway?
The rest of the world sees China and Taiwan as two separate countries, but both China and Taiwan see it as one country. China says the CCP rules the mainland and the CCP has rightful jurisdiction over Taiwan. Taiwan says the KMT rules Taiwan and has rightful jurisdiction over the mainland.

So to enter between China and Taiwan, since they both agree that it's one country, you need this special document that's totally not a passport but looks and acts just like one. China restricts its nationals heavily from entering Taiwan, you need to be in a guided tour for a few days only, or you need to have residence in a different country besides China. Taiwan doesn't care and lets it citizens go to the mainland

>>2898454
Never been to India.

Chinese people are not smelly. I felt the streets were generally clean, I would say cleaner than the average big city street in Western Europe.

Chinese impoliteness manifests mainly in them being unable to make a line and them spitting on the floor (even in interiors). The spitting is dependent on how developed the city is (not seen much in Shanghai, but saw a lot in, idk, Bazhong).

In less touristy cities they will stare at you if you sre a foreigner. If you are an aspie it can get annoying ig, but generally they mean good so I think it's not too bad.

Public street WC are mostly squat toilets. Train stations mostly squat with some western style. These are usually super dirty. At worst you go to the disabled people one. Malls usually have at least some western style ones. Bring your own toilet paper.

I would never go to India but I am always looking forward to my next China trip.

>>2898460
Only time I experienced people smelling unbearably bad in China was when I went to Nanchong. I tried to walk to Lan Zhang memorial hall and for some reason one street was full of african and south asian people. Wearing their traditional clothes and everything. Maybe they were international students and some of them really stink.

Nanchong is a fucking shithole. I think it's the only Chinese city I would not look forward to visit again, except for befriending some really nice locals there and falling in love with a security guard at one of the district train stations.

>>2898460
>Never been to India.
>I would never go to India but I am always looking forward to my next China trip.
I went to India and China back to back and actually liked India more and would rather go back there. India is the most slept on travel destination in the world because they banned tiktok, so they get slandered on there. China is the most overhyped because they run tiktok and shill themselves on there. Overall they're kind of similar in quality imo but I have to give the edge to India. Totally different vibes though of course

>>2898463
Lol one of my professors at university was an English teacher for three years in Nanchong

>>2898469
>Overall they're kind of similar in quality
Define quality? India may well be enjoyable but it's undeniably dirtier and more chaotic by a wide margin

>>2898474
>Define quality? India may well be enjoyable but it's undeniably dirtier and more chaotic by a wide margin
The interactions have more texture, even if you are white their version of civic nationalism extends far enough to accept you. Being white in china feels like being a zoo animal. Being white in india feels like being krishna or some shit. Obviously india has hygiene problems and infrastructure issues, but I only cook at home so I wasnt really impacted by it. It may be a coincidence, but my water in my apartment in China was shut off for several days in a row due to construction, just like in India, so not that much different

The gym in India was dirty, sometimes it had a literal rat scurrying around, while jeets worked out barefoot and bollywood blared through the speakers, but it had more/better equipment than the gym in China, and it was 1/5th the price. Groceries were also about 1/2 the price. Electronics and stuff is more expensive in India but you can always just not buy it there. China has better public libraries, by a landslide, but India has open internet.

Dating in India is way better, its more spiritual and less transactional. If you have yellow fever there are tens of millions of indian girls who look chinese too. Indian guys are bros and legitimately want to befriend you, chinese guys are cynical about you and see you as a threat. English levels are higher in India, the west is seen more favorably. Weather is better too

I could go on but you get the point

>>2898482
Thanks, I'm a China guy but that's a meaningful answer

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>>2898239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_Japan#Asia

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>>2898241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_South_Korea#Asia

How is Tianjin as a place to visit?

>>2898574
Terrible, unfortunately. Only place in China I felt that way about

might end up in HK and Shenzhen in 5 - 6 days time. Is the typhoon going to be a problem?

>>2898574
Pretty boring and generic, not really worth visiting even as a day trip from Beijing

>>2898281
No app. Pimsleur for speaking, YT for listening comprehension, Hanly for reading

>Chengdu Edition

Speaking of Chengdu, how is it these days?

Keep hearing it’s the hip, trendy place in China right now.

>>2898679
It's pretty dope. Good food, best culture in China. No one gives a fuck about shekelmaxxing and people just want to chill. Girls there are flat yellow west chinese, kinda mid but they have a good attitude. Nightlife is really solid too. English levels are high and people there have a positive outlook towards foreigners

>>2898433
>Dali
Do you mean Dalian?

I would think the hipsters congregate in cities like Hangzhou

>>2898697
Dali (大理) is a city in Yunnan which was (and to an extent still is) very popular with backpackers and hippies

>>2898700
Are the hippies Chinese? If so, I gotta see that

I last visited china in 2015. I miss that place. Everything is so cinema and dreamy feeling. Especially on cloudy days in a city no one back home knows of. Just walking through a quiet neighbourhood with a few shops and nice greenery is a nice experience. Same as what I do with my time at home, but more magical.

>>2898701
Yes there are lots of Chinese hippies/hipsters there. A lot of them are from rich cities just living there and doing some small job like photography/selling food from a stall for a few months while the weather is good

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>>2898703
I never would have suspected this small Yunnan town. Any other unique hipster places? A lot of people in Japan dresses like hipsters, but they were kinda like ghosts who didn't interact with anything. Taiwan's scene had a bit more soul.

Anyway, I'd also like to visit Baotou (包头市) because laowhy86 used to live there and it seemed very unique (and dangerous). Shenzhen would also be neat because it was serpentza's old spot. Rainy days there always looked great.

I will dig up some photos from my 2015 trip and post them. These generals usually lack photos

pic is hangzhou's train station

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Dali looks ominous
https://maps.app.goo.gl/E3zUMj2bL4BhgnFS9

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>>2898718
This was on the train from HangZhou to LiLingDong. I never knew where I was since I was with a group of chinese friends who planned everything. But I found a photo of a ticket, 醴陵东后车站

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Tryu79vaDkRsr6t86

Pic rel has that 2010s vibe, which serpentza's old videos also capture so well. Plain clothes, humidity, simplicity, trivial electronics, light social interaction

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>>2898719
Daytime

>>2898720
Found it!
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jCW1YJ5GUCoCPFqV7

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Mcdonald's, January 2013

>>2898679
Chengdu is great. Food is good if you tolerate spicy. Great places to visit in the city and around. Big malls if you are into that. Lively city with a cool nightlife offering more western-style places (with a bunch of gay and foreign-populated clubs). Locals are really nice. One of my better China nights was there.

One of serpentzas last good videos, August 2015... How time flies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tW4V38ZgQk

>>2898732
after learning a fair bit of mandarin, I get why you guys used to say his pronunciation was terrible. Ita kinda funny it's so bad after living there for years

>>2898713
>Shenzhen would also be neat because it was serpentza's old spot.

I’ve been told Shenzhen has basically become China’s San Francisco in that it’s been taken over by boring tech guys.

>>2898684
>Girls there are flat yellow west chinese, kinda mid but they have a good attitude.

Huh, I thought Chengdu girls are considered especially pretty? Like the same with chicks from Chongqing.

If not, that’s fine, I’m good flat yellow west Chinese. Honestly, the more Asian a girl looks the more I’m into her…

>>2898735
love the chinky look that looks like it would be a racist caricature that or when they have big eyes and curvy bodies that would be considered chubby/xl in china

>>2898734
Very likely. I'm interested in the pockets of older city that haven't been replaced in the past 10 years. Also the outskirts where he used to live. I know he's just a YouTube faggot, but it's a mind palace for me.

>>2898736
Yea the kind of phenotype you'd be ashamed to show your family. The rat overbite making a "tch tch tch tastey" sound after sucking cock. Squintly little eyes and a huge rack that makes yellow fever painfully obvious. Exactly.

>>2898735
If you listen to Chinese people then every region has especially pretty girls (apart from Guangxi), the actual prettiest (to Chinese people) are from Jiangsu and Zhejiang. Your personal tastes may vary

no way, gotta go further north for pale girls with dump truck asses. Tianjin to Dalian to Inner Mongolia

>>2898742
to be fair i need them to have tits or ass/thighs

i feel pedo if theyre flat...i like having something to grab onto and fondle/pinch

the squinty eyes just look exotic

imo though i have noticed when they wear high-waisted pants they're covering up ass/thighs, chinese women just have prominent tailbones and short buttcracks so they arent as bubble butt prominent like a latina/white would be

>>2898747
north = tall skinny lithe and chinky imo

south = short wide stocky with curves and bigger eyes similar build/phenotype to viets

both can have big tits but i think the northern girls have more boobs.

>>2898679
Great place, but it just sucks that because of a diplomatic spat that the US closed their consulate in the city. Makes things less convenient traveling. The closet embassy is now in Wuhan.

>>2898569
I think Japan might open a consular branch in Chengdu. A lot more Japanese expats are showing up there, might make a branch of the Chongqing consulate.

>>2898736
>>2898742
>>2898749
Honestly find with flatness. Most of the time they can have some perky tits and ass.

I just don’t like distressingly skinny girls (who obviously have anorexia) and girls with too much plastic surgery to give them cartoonishly large tits and ass.

>>2898742
Yep, the kind that gives WMAF a bad look to outsiders.

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Be honest…

Have you?

>>2898749
flatties > fatties
north is tall and flat south is short and flat

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Planning on staying here in Chongqing, decided it might be more interesting and different than doing the cyberpunk high floor hotel thing.

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Any suggestions for Shanghai nerdy stuff? I like nature, art and science. Already got the National History Museum and Planetarium planned.
Art stuff I'm completely blanking on.

Also, I'm planning a 14-day trip station from Shanghai, with 2 days in Hangzhou.
Would appreciate any advice for daytrips, I have Suzou planned to see the gardens.

>>2898879
>Art
Shanghai art gallery, Shanghai modern art gallery, west bank gallery... There are a lot
If you like pottery and ceramics you can take a day trip to Yixing in Wuxi to see their traditional purple red pottery and maybe buy some

>>2898879
Tx Huaihai youth energy center and the small shops across the street from it

>>2898879
First National Congress of the Communist Party has a cool museum. And it's free (of course).

I'm hesitant to visit china alone because of how cringe white sinophiles are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUcVB3ZztCA

>>2898986
Why? You probably won't run into one unless you stay in a hostel popular with foreigners, and people won't assume you are like that (if they even know about these "content creators" etc) unless you pull out a phone and camera and video everything

>>2898987
When a dork with green nail polish is farming in a wasteland, foreigners accumulate an image of being extremely odd. It's already bad enough with pedos becoming grade school "teachers", and criminals fleeing their countries to restart their loser lives

>>2898989
The LBH stereotype isn't as widespread in China as it is in Japan or Thailand, most people don't think foreigners are weird they will just think you're a well intentioned but ignorant tourist. Also if you're not acting weird or being weird people won't make such assumptions about you.

>>2898993
On xhs, there is a white trash stereotype that's prevalent. And that gardening grandma was suspicious of this guy, saying there are bad foreigners that come to china. He played dumb and said china is great and very safe

>>2898994

I think this is your own insecurity/anxiety outing yourself. Take a deep breath and understand people do not care nearly as much as you think.

It is not Japan that became the mecca/hajj for every 18-30 year old or even Thailand/Vietnam that has cheap/easy flights from Australia 3x a day where Australians treat those places like Brits treat Spanish islands or Americans treat Mexico/Colombia. The Chinese govt is begging for tourists. Even your average Chinese will mistake you as Russian until you open your mouth. English speaking tourists are pretty rare on the mainland and Chinese would be delighted at the fact that you can communicate with them in their native language (these aren't Parisians laughing at your pathetic attempts at speaking French).

If this doesn't work, take Xanax or consider a flight to Paris or Barcelona instead where the locals will judge you and see you as annoying.

>>2898996
I agree with this post
OP is being a sperg
Chinese dont care, its not japan where you get glared at for folding a napkin too loudly.

>>2898997
Not only that; there's a billion chinese people. Even if that number is fake and overestimated it's still 700mm. That is as many as 2 Americas or the continent of Europe.

If one person judging you is going to ruin your trip, its a personal issue. China is still relatively unexplored for normies. Again, its not Tokyo, Paris, Barcelona, Rome where the locals deal with every other person being a tourist. Even Hong Kong doesn't have that issue.

>>2898994
If you do weird stuff like waving a camera around in people's faces then yes they will be suspicious of you that's true anywhere in the world. If you are just a normal tourist nobody will care. And even if they do so what?

>>2898997
Yeah most of the time it's me glaring at the Chinese people lol

When I was in Vietnam, I was looking for a restaurant to dine at. The restaurant I decided on was totally packed with locals and tourists. The waiter asked if I was ok sharing a tabled. Yeah, of course, it raining and I dont want to keep searching for food. I got sat with a 50 year old boomer with really bad teeth. He had an aussie accent claimed he was a helicopter pilot. Kept calling the waitress sweetheart. Some other tourists sat down beside us, and asked if we were traveling together. I don't like that cringe

Thoughts on Beijing? I've heard both good and bad.

I'm heading there soon to start a TEFL job at a training center. This will be my first time in China. I'm not 100% sure yet, but I will probably be working and getting an apartment near the Haidian district which I understand is a more family/school oriented part of Beijing, and not as "fun."

I don't know Mandarin yet, but have begun learning online. I want to avoid becoming a complete shut-in.

>>2899004
>start a TEFL job
>I don't know Mandarin
??????

>>2899004
Beijing is too big and going anywhere takes an hour at least. Haidian is boring and there's nothing to do other than go to malls, or go to bigger malls at Xidan. If you don't speak Chinese you're going to have a hard time.

>>2899007
90% of English teachers in China don't speak a single word of Chinese

>>2899008
>boring and there's nothing to do other than go to malls, or go to bigger malls. If you don't speak Chinese you're going to have a hard time.
nihao wercome 2 chiner, lound eye

So which city has the best music scene?

I’m into metal, punk, hardcore, emo, alt/indie, and industrial. Is there a single city I should go to or are there specific cities that are better for one of those genres then others?

>>2899067
you again?

>>2899117
Nope. Has someone asked this before?

>>2899008
Any recommendations for audio courses to learn Chinese?

The previous thread had some youtube channels but those are comprehensible input based and I can't really comprehend any input yet.

I've seen Michel Thomas and Pimsleur mentioned around, would appreciate any other course or podcast recommendations.

>>2898235
Should I teach english in China or just try and travel China as a tourist? I keep reading all these things about wow how awesome it is to teach, but I am wondering if it would just be better to take a trip instead.

Anyone been to Harbin in the winter? Looks kinda neat

>>2899208
The less you know about China, the more you will be able to tolerate teaching. If you want the money go for it. Taking a trip won't really do anything for you

>>2899212
Yes I went in January 2025, it's pretty cold but not intolerable. There's a lot to do other than the ice and snow festival (which I actually found a bit disappointing because of the super long queues), and it's probably the best city in all of Dongbei along with Dalian

>>2899219
>There's a lot to do other than the ice and snow festival
What kinds of things?

>>2899338
Siberian Tiger park, skiing, Russian buildings and art, shops where you can buy Russian stuff, lots of other snow activities, walking over the frozen river, lots of Russian churches, Dongbei food (tieguodun)
It's pretty fun

Is China is more intimidating to visit than Japan and Vietnam for you?

>>2899512
Yes

>>2899512
nah it's a bunch of security theatre. chink glowies dont give a single fuck about you as long as you dont hand out flyers. they have bigger fish to fry. the majority of the country is closet dissident. if a foreigner fucks up they send his ass home and ban him. dissident nationals are a bigger PITA for glowies to deal with

>>2899512
China is a completely unintimidating country, as the other anon mentioned most of it is just security theatre (i.e. at the subway security check they dont even look at the bag scanners half the time) but there are two big exceptions I experienced:

- sensitive areas in central Beijing e.g. Zhongnanhai and Tiananmen where security is thorough (for example at Tiananmen if you have an umbrella they make you open it to check if there are any messages written on it)
- Xinjiang because it is full of armed police who will ask to see your passport whenever they catch sight of you

apart from that it's fine

>>2899512
None are 'intimidating' imo but I find Japan far more tedious with the language barrier and stick up the ass 1,000,000 rules to follow culture. Never been refused entry to any establishment in China happened constantly in Tokyo. Flipside is yes China has internet and payment method issues but these are pretty easily solvable.

>>2899530
>Never been refused entry to any establishment in China happened constantly in Tokyo.
The only places that do this are brothels and reservation only restaurants. Quit being a sex addict.

>>2898996
>English speaking tourists are pretty rare on the mainland and Chinese would be delighted at the fact that you can communicate with them in their native language (these aren't Parisians laughing at your pathetic attempts at speaking French).

Really?! That sounds nice :)

>>2899559
I didnt even see many white people in shanghai.
Compare that to tokyo where every train station is full of australians yelling from platform to platform, french people looking upset and sitting on the floor blocking the way and italians looking confused.

>>2899561
You are very discerning! Did you distinguish other whites by their language and or their appearance?

>>2899556
People like you always act like I'm lying when I bring this up but I've never been to a brothel and I get refused from random restaurants all the time. I'm a clean, normal looking white guy and this is a common experience with everyone I've talked to about it IRL so I'm not sure where the disconnect is here

>>2899576
The only time you get refused from restaurants is because they're reservation only and you didn't reserve a seat, or it's closing time. Japanese restaurants close 30-60 minutes before the time posted outside. You're being turned away not because of racism but because you're retarded.

t. 11 years in Japan from Okinawa to Hokkaido. Never had this experience

What's the scam/theft situation in China these days? Do I have to be on my guard as an obvious tourist or is it close to Japan-tier? Are the smaller cities different from the tier 1s in this respect?

>>2899578
Debating prevalence is one thing but to claim that Japanese establishments NEVER decline service to foreigners simply because they're foreigners is just silly (I also don't think its 'racism' but aforementioned stick-up-the-ass culture and sub-zero desire to deal with language barrier or cross cultural awkwardness)

>>2899582
Scams common though you kind of have to be a retard to fall for them. Theft extremely uncommon

>>2899582
Tourist-targeted scams are not unheard of in Beijing and Shanghai, mostly pretty obvious and easy to avoid, but you do have to be careful with taxis. Only ever get in licensed taxis or ones you called online, make sure there's a physical meter (if it's one you hailed off the street), and don't let the driver take your phone. Watch out for romance scams as well. This applies to both big and small cities.

People sometimes steal takeout or drinks that have been left unopened, and older people are super paranoid about theft, but major theft has basically been eradicated

>>2899589
>>2899607
Thanks, that sounds manageable.

>>2899589
>(I also don't think its 'racism' but aforementioned stick-up-the-ass culture and sub-zero desire to deal with language barrier
So then it has nothing to do with being a foreigner. It's a language issue.

>>2899219
>>2899406
Thanks anon! Going around new years myself. Never been to somewhere so cold before so I am eager about that as an experience itself. I'll probably check out the festival thing anyway but good to know theres more to do as well, eager to try some Russian shit.

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>>2899804
you will need a hat, thick gloves, thick socks, double layered trousers, and preferably boots and a scarf. your hands and feet will get cold first and they will be the most uncomfortable, so it's also worth it to buy some chemical handwarmers (热贴) from a convenience store and put them in your gloves and shoes.
picrel queue to ring a bell at the ice and snow festival
all the slides and big rides had queues but you also had to get tickets on the wechat mini program before queuing, in order to do that you had to wait until the hour mark then buy a ticket as they were released, unfortunately everyone doing this would make the cell network super slow and even break at times
it's worth it to go and look at the pretty sculptures and buildings for a few hours after sunset but you should not hold any false hopes of going on the rides, I was only able to go on the ferris wheel after 2 failed attempts to get tickets

>>2898459
>Taiwan says the KMT rules Taiwan and has rightful jurisdiction over the mainland.
KMT administered the Republic of China but doesn't now. Taiwan is the only portion of China under the rule of the Republic of China which you have mistaken for Taiwan as an entity. The RoC claims it is the proper ruler of all of China. taiwan isn't a political nation entity.
>China says the CCP rules the mainland and the CCP has rightful jurisdiction over Taiwan.
the difference is between the Peoples Republic of China and the Republic of China. the PRC says is is the rightful ruler of Taiwan and the other islands. if you are trying to be factual, then "china" doesn't say the CCP rules the mainland and has jurisdiction over taiwan. there is a difference between the CCP and the chinese government legally. regardless of whether the CCP existed or not, the PRC would still claim taiwan is territory of the rightful chinese nation.

>>2898731
what a banal answer.

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>>2899806
Thanks for the advice friend, will be sure to rug up and get ultra cozy. Looking forward to drinking some real russian vodka, sausage and all that good stuff. Found it to be an interesting place when I planned to go to Beijing.
Yeah can't imagine I will get many wins with those sort of queues but I am happy to just walk around and take some pictures.

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>>2899830
>Taiwan is the only portion of China under the rule of the Republic of China
not true, the ROC also controls Kinmen island (Jinmen county) and the Matsu islands (part of Lianjiang county) which both it and the PRC consider part of Fujian province. So even within the area controlled by the ROC, Taiwan is just a subdivision. However for convenience and to avoid referring to the ROC as a country, PRC authorities will usually say 台湾地区 (Taiwan area) to refer to the ROC-controlled area which means Taiwan Province + Kinmen + Matsu.

>>2899835
there is a big winter clothing market next to the St Sophia Cathedral where you can buy this stuff for cheap, but I would advise getting boots in your own country bc they usually don't have bigger sizes
if you have the time for a day trip I would rec Hengdaohezi town, you can get there in an hour on the train. It is kinda touristy because there is a big Siberian tiger sanctuary there, but the town itself is very interesting as a major stop on the old Russian railway and it has the only wooden Orthodox church in China

>>2899838
Love trains so Hengdaohezi town sounds perfect brilliant advice. Will see if I can check it out one of the days I am there

>>2899771
Don't be facetious. Whatever you want to title the issue, it is specific to Japan (& Korea actually) but never happens in China which is why I brought it up when anon asked for a comparison of the two.

>>2899850
when I lived in korea I had a phone number and an arc number and spoke korean well, in china no matter what if you are a foreigner finding a low budget hotel using the baidu ditu is a hit or miss struggle. when i arrived in chengdu the first place i showed up to turned me away because they dont take foreigners and the second place i contacted ahead of time. they tried to scam me, and make me pay 10x the listed chinese price

if you are a regular goy speaking english and paying 10x the markup only using english goy platforms you will never encounter this though

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I'll be moving to Chongqing next week for work. Got any general tips for everyday life there? (first time in China)

Also not sure which VPN to get. I've heard that Astrill is ok, but should I get a backup too?

>>2899875
I'm white I can afford a $25 hotel room

>>2899881
I'm white. I have principles and I can do math. I'm only paying what everyone else pays. I stayed in $3.50 hotels in China. So you're paying 2250 per 90 days and I'm paying 315 per 90 days
>inb4 roaches blah blah blah
it's the same exact room. you booked on the goy site and i booked in chinese.

>>2899880
I used mullvad when I was there earlier this year.
Worked fine.

>>2899882
My max budget is $65 usd per night on any trip. I'm not gonna care if it's less than that. Your principles only exist because you're not wealthy

>>2899875
theres no markup on trip.com (other than their $5 service fee), and if you were actually competent using Chinese apps you would filter for 外宾适用 or call ahead to check if they can take foreigners. You'd also book through meituan or xiecheng only because it's always cheaper.

>>2899882
Lmao you either stayed in a hostel or a literal hole in the ground, anything tolerable is 100rmb/night minimum

>>2899880
English teacher? Get mullvad VPN and eat breakfast at a stall outside don't make it yourself

>>2899875
There is no "foreigner markup" booking Marriott or Hilton properties thru their app starting around $40/nt in most cities and you'll never get refused service. I've travelled all around the country and never been refused service at a hotel because I don't have a compulsion to try and stay in holes in the wall meant for local migrant workers.

>>2899881
This

>>2899886
you're only not wealthy because you spend like a pig
>>2899888
>tolerable
you're soft
>>2899892
I did that for a night. It was retarded. went from the $35 a night to the $3.50 a night and never looked back. A bed is a bed nigga. the $3.50 room was better

>>2899885
>>2899888
I'll check mullvad out, thanks! I can do everything through Wechat, right? Can see that there's a QR option for payments

(Humanities teaching - Geography & History)

>>2899895
>nigga

>>2899903
I caught a three day before for calling paypigs the hard r and I dont feel like reseting my router

>>2899895
You "a bed is a bed" guys need to grow up. You're not better than others for tolerating significantly worse accommodations for marginal savings.

>>2899906
There it is, I was impressed how long you went without dropping your favorite line (paypig)

>>2899908
rent free + already called him a pig

>>2899895
Not soft just have self respect

>>2899899
You also need Alipay because some places don't take WeChat payments. Cash is useless and everyone takes QR code.
In the first few days you should get the following things sorted out too:
>Chinese SIM card (bring your passport). If your phone can only take Esims get a Hong Kong esim or a cheap Chinese phone.
>Bank account (I suggest China Construction Bank 中国建设银行. Bring your passport and proof of employment)
>Medical check to transition to a residency permit... You should know this already or your employer will help
Nice to have but not essential:
>Download didi (taxis), amap (maps), meituan (takeout and other stuff), taobao/pinduoduo (online shopping)
>Learn how to use share bikes (scan the qr code with alipay for blue bikes or meituan for yellow)
>Buy a handheld fan, air filter for your apartment, etc

>>2899910
>Buy a handheld fan
pussy faggit

>>2899910
Ah that's fair. Luckily work's arranged SIM/bank account/medical + a hotel stay whilst I find my apartment. Surprised at the housing prices here!

Working in sales under a work visa with the job written as AI engineer, what are the risks and how likely will the immigration bureau find out

>>2900070
Why can't they just put in the proper job title? Anyway if it's a serious company and not some sketchy outfit the odds are low unless someone deliberately uses the discrepancy to fuck you over.

>>2900079
they are applying for a specific scheme because I can't get the visa otherwise (no relevant work experience)
it's a big company of about 800 people

>>2900081
Think fine in all likelihood but you should have token evidence of work that fits the title you can point to if needed.

>>2900070
>Working in sales under a work visa with the job written as AI engineer, what are the risks and how likely will the immigration bureau find out
you're chilling, unless you start to make too much money or get a bureaucrat angry and they need to look for an excuse to kick you out

I finally broke down and bought a pass. Everyone now must put up with my shit posting as an American having lived here for a year.

>>2900284
Big whoop this town ain't big enough kid why don't you put some more years in and get back to us
>t. 9 years in country

>>2900308
>9 years in country
post dick with timestamp

>>2900284
Which city, what job?
(Inb4 Guiyang English teacher)

>>2899589
It's 100% a language issue (at least with regards to white people). I speak to the staff in Japanese and I've never been refused service, unless it's full or I needed a reservation.

>>2900397
That's fine but it doesn't change my issue which was never an accusation of "dey rayciss" or whatever. It's the only country other than Korea I've traveled in which regularly refused me restaurant service over the language barrier. And in China specifically (the topic of this thread, why I brought up in the first place) this would be inconceivable. So for this among other reasons I prefer traveling in China

>>2900308
a fellow chinacirclejerk refugee?

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Friday night/Saturday morning. What we smoking boys?

>>2900456
what are the best native brands? the most popular? I may get a carton while going through Shenzhen.

>>2900421
Chinese actually do make the effort of using translation apps to communicate. Probably because they're more actively and comfortable using their phones no matter their age.

>>2900421
Japanese are polite but not welcoming
Chinese are welcoming but (usually) not polite
Koreans are neither

>>2900488
KMogged. Brown eyes confirmed

>>2900488
Agree with this completely. As someone who has traveled to China and Japan extensively, then went to Korea once: what the fuck is wrong with Korean people?

>>2900459
The two in my picture

I ate mala xiang guo and I've been shitting acid lava for two days now please help

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>>2900503
if you have a weak stomach don't eat the dish made of pure chillis + oil
or at least wait a week before trying
don't let Chinese people take you out for hotpot on your first night in China because you will spend the next day squatting in various toilets all over the city

. >>2900334
Shenzhen
>>2900421
Koreans usually refuse solo diners
>>2900456
I was really happy with chinese cigs for a long time but I havent found one I really like smoking lately so I keep going back to Shuangxi.
>>2900459
The one on the left is Chunghwa which is internationally famous. Very strong cigarette but I have been told by girls the smell is also kind of gross. I havent tried the Blue Panda? ones but also heard those are nice. Chinese cigarettes have such beautiful packaging.
>>2900502
They're very nativist.

>>2900505
I have some gripes with Chinese food. Its often too oily and spicy which is a deadly mix. In addition they fucking trying to dissect meat from bones. Like it might kill them to serve something boneless. Swear to god if they could grow vegetables with bones they would.

>>2900507
I don't mind spicy food but I completely agree on the bones one. it is infuriating. to avoid it I usually order beef, pork too but sometimes it comes with bones.

There's already a China general, why even have this thread?
>>2896589

>>2900512
Its why I like Char Siu because its pork belly. No bones to it. Yellow beef is also quite good but its hunanese so always comes with a ton of chilis etc.

>>2900506
>They're very nativist.
Not really. If you know their mannerisms and follow their autistic rules they will accept you as one of them. You probably pointed or didn't bow or passed/accepted an object with one hand or told some lame reddit zinger. They have a million autistic rules and if you fuck it up you become persona non grata

In China there's no room for them to ever fully accept you if you're not one of the listed 56 races

>>2900455
yes

>>2900488
yes

>>2900535
Thats what nativism is numpty. Malays are pretty high up there too for it. Koreans are prolific in trying to stop foreign male competition. They have clubs in Philippines, no foreign males allowed only Korean males. They will also try and force non Koreans away to an absurd degree. Every now and then this happens in China too for me, like this gay mofo in a cat maid outfit jumping in front of me and then trying to drag a girl from my Russian friend who they were grinding together. After a certain amount of his bullshit I just started dancing harder and knocked him off stage and then blocked him when he came back to get up. Or if you're dancing near sone girls they will straight up try and push in to take your spot.

>>2900556
>Every now and then this happens in China too for me, like this gay mofo in a cat maid outfit jumping in front of me and then trying to drag a girl from my Russian friend who they were grinding together. After a certain amount of his bullshit I just started dancing harder and knocked him off stage and then blocked him when he came back to get up. Or if you're dancing near sone girls they will straight up try and push in to take your spot.
I stayed in a club in Korea once and just people watched for an hour or two before. They have no concept of bro code. I saw two korean guys who were friends competing for a girl. They were tripping over each other trying to mog each other. One guy kissed the girl, a few minutes later the other guy did, and then a third guy did too iirc. Never accept a korean guy as your wingman, they are the worst

What you described with people trying to break up you with some girls, that happened to me in China way more. Chinese guys have the most small dick energy in all of asia. Korean guys can get white girls now so they dont get that butthurt if they see me with one of their women. It's even possible to have a conversation about women with the korean zoomers who racemixxed with white women. For the older incels one forget it, you have to pretend you're single and an incel too or else they become unbearable chuds.

>>2900535
Idk what you refer to by "fully accept" but nobody will ever consider a whitey to be Japanese/Korean/Chinese. People treating you like an equal is the best you can hope for, and that's much easier in China than either other country

>>2900569
>tries to be an epic wumao shill
>suggests the chinese people commit treason and undermine the legitimacy of the CCP by ignoring their definition of what it means to be Chinese (hard red line issue)
yeah, no.

>>2900571
Wat? The CCP doesn't define what it means to be Chinese, and what part of what I said suggests that Chinese people commit treason?
Do you think Japanese people commit treason by not considering a naturalised Indian to be Japanese?

>>2900573
>Wat? The CCP doesn't define what it means to be Chinese
Ask what the Tibetans, Mongolians, and Uighurs have to say about that

>>2900507
that's their way of showing it's not mystery meat. meat from the bone shows it's fresh off the animal lol

>>2900585
with how little meat is left on the bones in my mind I am more likely to believe its rat. Trying to do this shit with chopsticks is also a fucking headache. Everything is lathered in a sauce that makes the chopsticks slip and then on top of that you're trying to eat a chicken leg with fucking chopsticks unless you manage to be the guy with the plastic gloves meanwhile everyone else looks at you like you're a barbarian.

I dunno. Chinese food is just a headache to me. Love japanese food.

>>2900505
I don't have a weak stomach lol I've been eating this shit for years. Sometimes the chilis just hit different ya know

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>>2900621
Not trying to start a fight or anything lol but it's funny how I have the exact opposite opinion. I love Japanese food too; it tastes great if you order the right thing but so much kf their food gives you the impression that they enjoyed creating it more than eating it. One gets the impression that Japanese people don't actually enjoy eating. vs. the Chinese who came up with a million different ways to make bland foods like tofu and broccoli taste amazing because that's all people could afford for years, have tons of savory oily meats and noodles etc. I think I'm just a fatass. Also you guys complaining about picking out bones just haven't lived here long enough. If you want to gorge yourself on meat just eat shaokao (another thing the Japanese don't seem to get right).

Btw what city is everyone ITT in? Don't say Shanghai. Picrel is Kaifeng

>>2900624
I would agree a lot of japanese food is performative but I mean the taste profile and the texture more aligns with what I like. The spiciness and oilliness of Chinese food gets in the way of me enjoying it. I'm open to trying more things, though I have a personal preference for home cooking here normally.

>>2900624
>One gets the impression that Japanese people don't actually enjoy eating
Ah this brings up another good point about why traveling in Japan is worse than China - in the restaurants that do let you eat there, if you don't finish every speck of food on your plate they won't bring you the check/next course or will get really uppity about it. I mean seriously guys grow the fuck up

>>2900637
Yeah. Fuck those jap bastards. They owe us reparations for what they did in Nanjing. Amirite fellow /trv/elers?

>>2900639
Ive bayonet some before

>>2900639
>An American finds stick up the ass million rule uppity culture grating. Hmm this can't be right. He must be Chinese!

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>>2900624
Kaifeng is one of my least favourite cities in China because it's all reconstructions and kinda depressing with the tower blocks surrounding everything. Luoyang was much better

My biggest struggle is that some of these hotels I am looking at are unreal for the value, and I can only select one to stay in.

>>2900759
The value for hotels in china is unprecedented. But a hotel is a place to sleep and nothing more. Choose the cheapest place you can tolerate and move on.

>>2900762
I haven't traveled so much in rural china but I guess getting a 4* quality hotel in a good area for $50 or less in a tier one city like beijing is good value. A similar hotel in Philippines in a place like bgc would have been $75-100 easily and even then shit like showers still might not work. I fucking love showers in chinese hotels. Good water pressure, good size, and they always have doors and proper drains so you dont get the whole bathroom wet

>>2900765
tip for picking hotels in China: go by brand/chain and not star rating. The Chinese star rating is just based on what facilities the hotel has, for example you can't be a 5 star hotel if you don't have a conference room, you can't be a 4 star hotel if you don't provide a minibar in all the rooms, etc... this has little correlation with the actual quality of the hotel and many 4/5 star hotels will actually be very outdated and old
instead I suggest these chains:
>low-end
IU, Hanting 汉庭, Rujia 如家
>mid-range
Lifeng 丽枫, Orange Hotel 桔子酒店, Ji Hotel 全季
>high-end
Atour 亚朵, other brands (I'm not as familiar with very expensive ones)

>>2900769
Im familiar with that concept too I just dont use them that often since traveling in china has an extra level of difficulty. I spent 30 minutes freezing my balls off in changsha just trying to find my hotel before

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>>2900754
Work in Zhengzhou
Live in Luoyang
Eat in Kaifeng

Also what are you talking about with tower blocks? The old city barely has any. They're all in the west in the new part by Wanda Plaza

I started work again today. I hate rain.

>>2901081
>I started work again today. I hate rain.
Get in the wage cage and stop crying, bitch

First for TOTAL ENGLISH TEACHER DEATH

My girlfriend wants me to adopt one of her cats. Its a stupid looking idiot. Might be nice

>>2901096
>My girlfriend wants me to adopt one of her cats. Its a stupid looking idiot.
kino

Hey lads, I'm going China for a little over 2 weeks in early January (planning a week- in Beijing, a week in Chongqing, maybe something in between those 2) and was wondering about what kind of clothes I should pack. I'm from Ireland where it rarely dips below 5c, and info about what the weather is like in China seems to vary depending on year and location.

A T-shirt and fairly decent coat suffices here, but I'm worried I might freeze my balls off if I come unprepared.

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>>2901119
It is very cute.

>>2901128
Beijing is cold and windy in January but it doesn't snow much. You won't need anything like thermal trousers unless you plan to go on long hikes. Just bring a good coat and gloves, I'm from England and never needed anything more than that in Beijing (although Ningxia and Harbin was another story)

>>2901128
Dont overpack. You can easily hit up a uniqlo. The pressing need might be to make sure you have good shoes and socks for the cold and potential snow since thats not easy to get sizing for.

>>2901128
bring nothing (not literally you know what I mean)
and buy it there. china has the cheapest clothes in the world. and you wont be paying import fees

>>2901128
Beijing will be below freezing, usually in the 20s (Fahrenheit). Chongqing is more of a crapshoot that time of year and could be anywhere from low 40s to mid 60s. I don't know what that is in C

>>2901132
Why do you have to adopt it? Do you live in a city with a 1 cat per person law?

>>2901085
BASED

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>>2901128
Why are you spending a week in Chongqing? Cut that shorter and do Beijing-Xi'an-Chongqing instead, especially if it's your first time in China. Xi'an is right in the middle and it would be a complete waste to skip it. Honestly I'd rather spend a week there than a week in Chongqing, as cool as they both are. Riding a bike on Xi'an city wall is peak, and you're going in January so you won't die of heatstroke

>>2901176
I think because her mom wants to beat her for getting more birbs. She lives a charmed unemployed life that I can just plap plap plap

REMINDER: Do not visit PRC China; touring PRC China provides economic benefit to local PRC businesses, which pay PRC governments taxes, and contributes to authoritarianism globally. Visit Taiwan instead if you want to explore real China.

>>2898433
Hipsters are an American phenomenon. Not sure you can apply it to China. Dali was supposedly a backpacking destination as early as the 1980s, and it remained that way for some time. I'd say Dali stopped being a real like a hippie/Bohemian destination some time ago in favor of Tibet. If you want Chinese hippies/Bohemians you best go there, or maybe to Hainan.

>>2901307
Tibet is too poor and underdeveloped for hipsters to put up with, not enough bougie cafes. Recently the most popular destination is northern Xinjiang particularly Ili and Altay because of the tv series 我的阿勒泰. Dali has been a favourite for a long time, and Yunnan is still the default hipster destination during the winter, but they mostly go somewhere else in summer.
Dali and Tibet attract two very different kinds of Chinese tourist

>>2901300
based
>>2901307
>>2901308
Hipsters = / = hippies
totally different

How do I cope when I have a "real" entry level job earning 16k base (+ commission) but teflmonkeys are getting like 25k

>>2901300
Taiwan is for faggots.
>>2901307
Tibet is the only place still gated off to foreigners. We're stuck with tours if we want to go.

>>2901354
Out earn them by being good at your job and printing commissions?

>>2901375
There are also a lot of places in Qinghai + Tashqorgan county in Xinjiang which require permits / prior permission to visit (and some in Qinghai that can't be visited at all)

>>2901300
go back to your containment thread

>>2901430
Stop supporting anti-Western/democratic governments.
>>2901375
If you don't like Taiwan, then visit Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Philippines, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Pro-West/West nations.

>>2901467
I want America to die so I make an active effort to visit China.

>>2901468
The West/free nations is comprised of more than just the U.S., anon.

>>2901300
we live in a globalised economy and pretty much anything you do in your home country will end up economically benefiting China in some way
you should kill yourself to avoid accidentally spending money on a Chinese product :)

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>>2901221
Xian is dope as, had biang biang for half my meals. Did the full lap of the wall in the afternoon into evening and was a real highlight

>>2901493
>trash you properly dispose of doesn't always get completely eliminated
>therefore you might as well dump it into the rivers a few times a week
You make a far bigger impact benefiting PRC/authoritarianism, and thus hurting the West/democracy, by touring PRC cities and spending Western dollars directly on PRC businesses, hotels, etc. Keep Western dollars in the West. There are plenty of other places to visit, and you'll be a better person for it.

>>2901546
Please stop this is the faggiest shtick of all time

>>2901546
>There are plenty of other places to visit, and you'll be a better person for it.
Staying in China, without a VPN and playing by all of the good goy rules and drinking the kool-aid, made me very appreciative of the west. Before going to China, I had rosey glasses and thought they were some based natsoc futurist ethnostate. But after seeing life close up and personal, and interacting with the people and seeing how they feel about it, I was revolted by it and never want to go back there for an extended period of time again. There's a big difference in taking someone's word for it vs concluding it directly for yourself.

I made a photodump over on /p/ from babby's first trip to China in March.
>>>/p/4521763

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Is this normal female behavior in China?

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>>2901494
Hell yeah brother! Have another pic I took

>>2902001
Yes actually. There have been discussions about this since forever. She is saving face by pretending to put up a fight so that there is plausible deniability. It has to do with Chinese face culture and women not wanting to appear like sluts. The men must always lead

>>2902001
What's with Chinese girls and massive labia. They all have the largest meat flaps you'll ever see.

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Help. I am doing a 30 day trip, Sept 1st to 30th to China and I'm not sure which city I should fly into and out. I was thinking Beijing and Shanghai but I could use advice.

What else should I do? China is so damn big. Chengdu seems cool. Chingqong seems like a meme, I don't really want to go for the onions lights or the train going through a building lmao

I wanted to go to Xi'an for the Muslim food, good idea? Terracotta warriors seem boring as fck so I'm not wasting a day doing that but the city wall looks cool. I heard you can ride a bike on it?

Beijing, I will be doing all the classics.

I feel like I should do a night in Zhangjiajie or a day trip at least.

Not sure if Qingdao is worth a visit.

I want to eat lots of good food. I like mapo tofu and dim sum. And dumplings of course. I want to experience a variety of cuisines but I want to skip the offal and blood foods.

How would you plan 30 days in China for a first timer? I already am up to speed with all the apps.

>>2902001
This is 100% standard and guarantee is the reason that guy who kept posting "T2 cities are NOT good for girls I couldnt get anything in Guizhou" was flustered

>>2902001
>/r9k/ getting blackpilled even more
kek

>>2902026
Shanghai is probably better if you wanna see the other cities since it is more central than Beijing which is way up north
Chongqing is memed by western influencers but it is quite a fascinating place and you'll enjoy plenty of spicy hotpot
Qingdao they have a hotel there where you can get a tap of freeflowing beer in your room, havent been though
Never done more than a week in China at once so I can't give you advice on that length of time, but would recommend going to one of those 24 hour spas to relax in one of those days.

>>2898684
Would this be a good place to teach English? What about Kunming?
I'm in Vietnam and I love it here but the pay is shit. Haven't visited China yet but it seems to be a good place to hoard shekels as a teacher. Not interested in Shanghai or any of that shit.

>>2902173
>Would this be a good place to teach English? What about Kunming?
>I'm in Vietnam and I love it here but the pay is shit.
Anywhere in SW China right next to the border with Vietnam would be good then

>>2902181
Oh yeah? Do you find it similar to Vietnam? I need to just go visit.

just letting everyone know that i recently went to hong kong over a weekend. i hung out with a bunch of expats in LKF, and everyone is on the powder...lol. and my goodness, so many filo and african "friends" in LFK.

i made friends with this HKer there who took me to wan chai to hang out with more filos. he said he was going to pay for everything but didnt end up paying for anything. HK is expensive. fun night but i regret how much money i spent over 2 days.

will defs be going back.

>>2902287
samefag here...

where in china can i go to make new friends and partake in activities that involve glass and snow? i regularly meet up with my mainland friends here in Aus, and all of them love those activities. So i'm guessing it wont be that hard to find some friends that do it in China? id like to know where...

>>2902026
Hi nigga, good news you picked a good time of year to visit, but you sound like you have no idea what you want to do
my general suggestions:
>Chinese cities are very similar, other than their historical buildings/districts, they are mostly built to the exact same pattern. Spend more time in smaller towns and natural areas than cities, otherwise you will get bored.
>You can eat food from all over the country in any big city. Don't worry about going somewhere just for the food, your laowai tastebuds won't be able to tell the difference anyway
>Crowds are always big in cities and popular tourist attractions, if you want to relax you have to leave the cities

specific suggestions:
>Qingdao is like a fake western city, Chinese ppl like it but you will (probably) find it a bit boring
>Terracotta warriors are ok, crowds are insane though. There's a lot to do in Xi'an and good mountains for hiking nearby but it gets hot
>Zhangjiajie is very touristified, mostly people are just taking the bus from one concrete photo-taking spot to the next, you need to spend more time there if you want to actually hike and explore
>Shanghai is not very interesting to visit as a tourist unless you are a third worlder who gets wow'ed by LED towers

I don't think you have to plan everything out in exacting detail, you have a lot of time and train tickets are flexible. It's not like the west where if you don't book 3 months in advance you will have to pay 300% of the original price. You should decide what regions you are interested in (The north around Beijing? The west near Xi'an? Sichuan? Coastal east? South?) then come back to the thread/research for more specific destinations
otherwise you will just spend a month going between cities that feel 90% the same and be super fucking bored by the end

>>2902001
I've been on dates with a few girls like this and they are insufferable, most girls in lower tier cities are super self conscious and won't go out without makeup on
but not everyone is like this

>>2902289
glass and snow *in* Mainland China? Kek. Enjoy your death penalty

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>>2902026
>I want to skip the offal and blood foods.

>>2902001
Jesus Christ

What’s to expect when visiting Enshi City/Hubei? It’s gonna be my first time out of the country as an american from the midwest. I’ve been to some big cities like LA and Honolulu but that’s about it.

Is China actually a good place to live or does the "digital panopticon" drive normal people insane?

>>2902463
People (mostly kids) are going to scream WAIGUOREN or LAOWAI when they see you
Some people might ask to take photos with you, or just take photos if they are not so polite
Everyone will stare at you. If you are travelling with someone else (which I expect you are because why the fuck would go to rural Hebei solo) ask them to walk a few metres behind you to see how many people rubberneck back at you lol

>>2902465
The digital panopticon barely matters in daily life, I have a VPN and I don't need to criticise the government or Xi every day. What does make living in China tough is the people. The most annoying things are the staring and weird interactions you get for being a foreigner, and the lack of manners / common sense that many people have. For example they charge into a lift before the people inside get out, they just stand at the exit of an escalator without moving to the side to let other people off, street spitting, leaving rubbish on the floor etc...
Apart from that life is pretty good, most places don't have bad pollution anymore, everything is cheap and won't give you food poisoning like India, transport is safe and fast unlike SEA. Most people who leave voluntarily do it because of the people.

>>2902468
>The digital panopticon barely matters in daily life, I have a VPN and I don't need to criticise the government or Xi every day.
Yeah right on, this is what I'm trying to get a sense of, thank you. People in Vietnam do the elevator shit too and it gets on my nerves but I easily overlook it. I'm sure Chinese food would never get old for me and since the savings would be good, maybe it's the right thing for me to do. Thinking of Kunming.

>>2902468
>Most people who leave voluntarily do it because of the people.
Btw when you say leave voluntarily, are you implying people are commonly kicked out, or did you not really mean anything by that word?

>>2902474
if you have an android phone and a good vpn (I rec mullvad, but do your own research), you barely even notice the internet restrictions because you can set your vpn to split tunnel and ignore all your Chinese apps, then keep it on 24/7. Mullvad is usually unaffected by the government's attempts to block VPNs. If you have an iphone it becomes a bit more annoying as you have to turn your vpn on and off, but my friends coped

as to food, even if you get bored of Chinese food or want something more healthy, the supermarkets here actually have a surprisingly wide range of food, so you can cook at home quite easily. Even in a tier 3 city much smaller than Kunming my local supermarket had pasta, olive oil, imported hot sauce, cream, butter etc. They almost never have cheese though, but I am sure you are used to that from Vietnam

>>2902475
not kicked out per se, but if you lose your job you only have 30 days to find a new one and start applying for a new work permit, so a lot of people fall victim to that. Work permits not being renewed by your employer or denied by the government is also fairly common. So you can't really count on staying in China forever unless you get married to a Chinese person. There is no digital nomad/retirement/expat visa

interesting news for anyone travelling to Xi'an soon: an HSR extension to Yan'an has been opened, reducing the train trip from 2.5 hours to one hour each way. Now you can go on day trips to Yan'an

How is the sex

>>2902508
mid

>>2902484
Nice, thanks for the helpful answers. I tend to adapt well to food and I love Chinese food so I think I'd enjoy that. What's the work culture and teaching like? Any recommendations on how to approach a job hunt there, and dos and don'ts? I'm interested in going for the saving opportunity but I don't want a highly stressful job with a lot of bullshit. I kinda have the impression a lot of Chinese expat teaching jobs are quite chill though?

>>2902542
I don't do TEFL so I am sure someone else can answer your questions on that, or you can check reddit (everyone there is an English teacher)
work culture is not very good, frequent overtime and face culture which is annoying in every part of society, but I think this applies less to tefl teachers

>>2902549
Oh okay thanks nigga. By the way never heard of Mullvad but I guess that also allows you to post on 4chan? I have Windscribe but I have to turn it off to post here.

>>2902567
>Mullvad but I guess that also allows you to post on 4chan
no, 4chan is aware of mullvad and other commerical VPNs. It's not obscure at all

>>2902569
How do you post here then senpai?

>>2902593
vpn to my house

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So theres a massive national scandal in China atm because some white chad was fucking a load of chinese stacies at Fudan University

>Became a small internet celebrety
>every chick at his uni was on his dick
>thousands of chicks lining up and filling his DMs so he can "give them a chinese name" in person
>he used to bang them and refuse to pay for dates or wear protection

now chink incels are seething because he didn't use condoms

https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/1vjkbt3/expel_this_predator_the_disgusting_white_foreign/

>>2902670
He was interviewed on national TV as well and promoted as a good example of international students/influencers lol (before this came to light)

>>2902670
It's a fake and gay story that is an attempt to mateguard and cockblock from frustrated ricecel copers. Every chink there has paranoid microdick energy and has free reign to slander you however he wants. In other asian countries the rumors and slander they are doing about this guy is illegal. Chinkcels are so starved sexually they equate bilibili comments with sex. In reality this guy is just a generic bilibili/youtuber and I wouldn't be surprised if he had no sex at all. The incels would post better proof if he did, because deep down inside they jack off to it and it's a form of NTR for them. Sucks for the guy though, this will hurt his chances IRL

>>2902670
>massive national scandal
the country is vast

>>2902678
He ticks all the boxes for chinese social media

>white
>193
>he brown noses china and says it's better than the west

Imagine you're a chinese uni girl and you find whites Chads attractive but you're told westerners don't like China. Then this Chad turns up and suddenly you have a chance to meet a minor celebrity who seems different and loves China.

I'm kinda jealous because he's fucked some quality 10/10 uni chicks

>>2902686
>I'm kinda jealous because he's fucked some quality 10/10 uni chicks
proof or it didnt happen
>>2902678
>(before this came to light)
nothing came to light, it's just ricecel hallucinations. it's third party texts about nothing.

>>2902598
I'm a computer retard. I dunno what that means. I can figure it out later though. Or just let moving to China force me to quit 4chan. That could be okay too.

>>2902680
>>2902698
Does it matter if it happened or not? What matters is that people believe it did (go on xiaohongshu or weibo and search up 水牛哥), so the damage is already done. Even if it's proven 100% fake next month it will change nothing because people have already been influenced and made up their minds. Similar things have been happening in China for decades.

Honestly Chinese guys have some of the worst luck in the entire world, their women are like inverse prostitutes, to get married to them you have to pay loads of money + house + car + gold, but for a foreigner to fuck them a few times he needs to do absolutely nothing other than be white. But I don't think they are going to do anything about it other than whine on the internet and call girls who go out with foreigners whores and traitors. People are ruder to me and my girlfriend (Chinese) in the west than in China lmao, it's hilarious how there is so much hate online but nothing happens irl

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>>2902711
>but for a foreigner to fuck them a few times he needs to do absolutely nothing other than be white

>>2902670
the /r9k/ thread >>>/r9k/85307831

>>2902711
>Does it matter if it happened or not?
It matters to him. Imagine you are a goody two shoes cuck to the CCP bending over backwards to get famous and then one day an angry group of chinkcels decides your time is up and your career is ruined just like that. Someone with connections didn't like the guy so they sent themselves a wechat slandering him and made it viral. That's sad

>Honestly Chinese guys have some of the worst luck in the entire world, their women are like inverse prostitutes, to get married to them you have to pay loads of money + house + car + gold, but for a foreigner to fuck them a few times he needs to do absolutely nothing other than be white. But I don't think they are going to do anything about it other than whine on the internet and call girls who go out with foreigners whores and traitors. People are ruder to me and my girlfriend (Chinese) in the west than in China lmao, it's hilarious how there is so much hate online but nothing happens irl
It's not bad luck, they deserve every bit of the cuckoldry and there is evidence they even enjoy it. Nothing makes them seethe more than seeing a white guy fuck their women, which makes their women want to fuck white guys even more.

>>2902771
>Imagine you are a goody two shoes cuck to the CCP bending over backwards to get famous and then one day an angry group of chinkcels decides your time is up and your career is ruined just like that.
influencers can get fucked lmao, if you do anything to get famous on social media and publicise your entire life then expect for people to take offense and fuck with you. no tears shed for him, total influencer death

>>2902790
>>2902771
Definitely a no crying in the casino situation. Sole reason to be an influencer in China is for pussy, he knew the risks

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>>2902790
Keep tapdancing, jiggaboo.

>>2902790
I'd have to go read every thread in the catalog in order to be sure, but this MIGHT be the most based post on the board right now.

>>2902806
>r/aznmasuclinity cuckpost calling for whitey to get canceled
>even remotely based
go back

>>2902815
>don't bully my favorite influencer
Don't tell your elders what to do, kid.

>>2902815
I'm white, I don't care about the race aspect of it, I just FUCKING HATE INFLUENCERS

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>>2902818
>I don't care about the race aspect of it
we freakin did it reddit

Does anyone have experience booking international train tickets in China? specifically Nanning-Hanoi

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>>2898235
How much money should I have reserved for a two-person trip to China around two weeks or longer? For reference, me and my foid spent a total of 5200€ on a week long Tokyo trip, but half of that figure was just the plane tickets.

>>2902670
ok but did this guy actually do anything illegal? IIRC the women all consented and premarital sex isn't illegal in China

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>>2902026
>>2902315
Wow fuck you guys I loved Qingdao

>>2903519
What did you like about it? I bet the seafood is fresh there.

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anyone know good chinese kino?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXXEhbWwFzk&t=2900

preferable from before 2015 (fuck modern garbage)

found this 2001 taiwanese film. it has human elements you just don't feel anymore in life. So much is a caricature, cringe, awkward, or soulless

>>2903539
色、戒 Lust, Caution 2008
狂野时代 Resurrection 2025
天注定 A Touch of Sin 2013
鬼子来了 Devils on the Doorstep 2000
钢的琴 A Steel Piano/A Piano in the Factory 2010
青春祭 Sacrificed Youth 1985
All of these are pretty good and you should be able to find English subs. My favourite is probably Devils on the Doorstep, but it's mostly shot in black and white

>>2903519
It's totally likeable and I enjoyed my time there too but it's just not interesting for a tourist because all the things to see are just old German buildings lol

>>2903513
Depends on what level of comfort you want. I will give you a rough guide to prices
>Hotels: *add 100-200 yuan/night for hotels in Shanghai and Beijing
Low end 100-200y/night
Mid range 300-500
High end 600+
>Food for two people
Coffee 20-30y
Good coffee 40-60y
Low end (street stalls and small local restaurants) 10-40y
Mid range (proper restaurants with qr code ordering) 100-200y
High end (don't actually go here, these restaurants just exist to extract money from corrupt businessmen and government officials) 500+
>Attractions and tickets
Probably like 50-100y per day, ticket prices are usually not above 50y per person
>Transport
All public transport 30y per day
Frequent use of taxis 70-100y per day
Train and flight tickets you should figure out yourself

If you are willing to eat at local restaurants instead of going to the mall every evening and stay in a more basic chain hotel like IU or Hanting rather than a big western chain I think you shouldn't have any problems in making only €2000-€2500 cover your entire trip (apart from flights)

>>2903539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3BXCvNDpTs&pp=ygUMdG8gbGl2ZSAxOTk0

My flight is in 2 days and I neglected to look into phone service, what eSIM providers do people suggest that'll allocate me a domestic phone number? I already have a VPN figured out & my travel agency gives me a free unlimited data eSIM for the first 2 weeks post-flight but I would like to eventually switch to a provider that provides phone numbers.

Want to go out but its going to rain like hell

>>2903518
The state media will probably shut it down if he didnt do anything illegal and if he did they'll find a way to punish him as an example

>>2902686
I really should figure out how to get around getting blocked by chinese social media apps. I can't create a little red book account because it demanded a household registration number