I am a burgerfag and for the last several years have been living outside the US, traveling in South America and Europe and can say with confidence that outside of theoretically making money, the anglo countries really are the worst atmosphere that I have experienced.>worst women>most expensive>everything feels illegal>worst social atmosphere>passive aggressive peopleIf you are from an anglocel country I highly recommend you go literally anywhere else. Even the making money angle is shit in the US now if you are a white male since all the companies just want to hire Indians and women only now, and everyone is just a sociopath LARPer who thinks they are a genius because they pay more money for the Claude meme than GPT or something. Basically everywhere else is more chill and feels less like being in some kind of antihuman machine. You should go literally anywhere else. >inb4 you are just a broke loser I am a 7 foot tall gorillianaire gigachad and only 17 years oldThe US sucks more and is boring even if you are rich, this is just cope/gatekeeping. No, California is not the best place on earth, you are like 30 years late. No, you are not tough and do not have "grit" because you live in NYC. No, this is not just a "city" problem, all the women outside of cities in the US are fat. It's cope, it's all cope.
>>2900837>No, California is not the best place on earth, you are like 30 years late.B-but asian areas of California were going to be my last hope of somewhere being good enough to live in.
>>2900844If you like asians so much literally just TEFL in Japan like a weeb unironically and get a schoolgirl skirt kawaii asian instead of a "gen z boss and a mini" asian. Your quality of life and access to women making shit TEFL wages in Japan will be unironically better than being a software dev in these places.
>>2900846>Your quality of life and access to women making shit TEFL wages in Japan will be unironically better than being a software dev in these places.Holy fuck you're killing me.
>>2900850Places like San Francisco are notorious for being "Manfrancisco" for a reason. And prices are totally insane for everything. If you are into asians(I'm not) it seems like even this would be preferable. You also won't be surrounded by Indians all day and have to worry about having your car broken into.
>>2900837>bro just go live in a shithole around brown people yeah….nah
>>2900856Are you really trying to claim that the US is less brown people than Europe? Outside of /pol/ memes, the US is objectively browner than everywhere an Europe except like UK(angloid shithole) and France. Argentina and Uruguay are both whiter than the US as well. The US will be like 90% Indian in 10 years like Canada. Anywhere not "around brown people" in the anglosphere all of the women are fat.
>>2900855>If you are into asians(I'm not)>>2900846>If you like asians so much literally just TEFL in Japan like a weeb unironically and get a schoolgirl skirt kawaii asian instead of a "gen z boss and a mini" asian. Yowhy are you posting if you dont know what you're talking about. anglo cities are some of the best cities in the world to get asian girls. all of the ones that live there went there explicitly to get white cock and dont have much of a language barrier. east asia is hard mode if you are a goyim retard and dont know the language. even if you do rejection rate is way higher vs going after asian girls back homeyes the US sucks but its not that bad. canada and australia are way better socially but worse in terms of money in most cases
>>2900837Australia and the USA are shit in many aspects, but they’re still the greatest places in the world in terms of earning opportunities and affordability of living space. UK and Canada don’t even have that, idk how they cope.
>>2900865>even if you do rejection rate is way higher vs going after asian girls back homeMaybe if you are talking about the entire population, but if you are white in an asian country the small pool of white men means of the women there open to dating white men, you will have a lot of options as long as you are not somehow somewhere surrounded by other whites. Kind of like how bodybuilders are not preferred by most women but there are more women who like bodybuilders than there are bodybuilders.>canada and australia are way better socially but worse in terms of money in most casesCanadians and Aussies are some of the most smug passive aggressive cucksuckers I have met traveling. Still better than Brits though.>>2900866>Australia and the USA are shit in many aspects, but they’re still the greatest places in the world in terms of earning opportunities and affordability of living space. What are you talking about? US and Aus both are like the most notoriously high housing prices in the world. US job market is also total shit now if you are a white male too, so even this positive is going away rapidly. Unironically I think you might have a better chance in fucking EUROPE as a white male in a country like Poland or something, even if the pay is lower. Simply because being white and male won't autofilter you out of these companies that now exclusively hire Indians, nepo babies, and women.
>>2900861When a country is run by corrupt low IQ Thirdies, it shows. You can't even enjoy dipping your feet in the little town creek on a hot day because it's a sewer full of rubbish and pollution. Access to impoverished sluts doesn't negate quality of life metrics. Sure you can basedface over how low value everything is, including hole access, but eventually the shoddiness and low quality will start bugging you if you aren't a 75 IQ slumbrain who loves flexing his status as King of the Trashpile.>>2900837I find casually anti-social behavior much more pronounced outside the US. Here everyone who walks by on the city trail says hi to me. Never would that happen in Europe, South America, or China.
>>2900873Gayrope has no real upwards mobility unless nepotism, which is not the case in the USA. Zoomers are notoriously fucking dumb and can't do basic budgeting or cook, that's why it looks so skewed. If you fail in a country with the largest buying power, the largest dollar per hour salary, it's your fault.
>>2900875>When a country is run by corrupt low IQ Thirdies, it shows. You can't even enjoy dipping your feet in the little town creek on a hot day because it's a sewer full of rubbish and pollution. Not living in the anglosphere doesn't mean you have to live in like Manila or India or something, lol. There are plenty of clean places even in dysfunctional South America.>Here everyone who walks by on the city trail says hi to me. Never would that happen in Europe, South America, or China.Where in South America? This is standard in South America in my experience as well. But just because people say hi to you on a trail doesn't mean they will be your friend, and just because they don't say hi to people on a trail, doesn't really mean the people are unfriendly or you can't make friends in the country either. Anglos countries are the most mentally ill passive aggressive countries in the world.
>>2900873>What are you talking about? US and Aus both are like the most notoriously high housing prices in the world. US job market is also total shit now if you are a white male tonah you're shit at economics. even with minimum wage it's trivial to get ahead in USA or Australia.
>>2900837Unless someone gives me a remote job I don’t wanna fucking hear about living elsewhere.HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.>>2900846Oh so you’re some retarded 20 year old faggot, got it.
>>2900875South Americans are genuinely nicer than Amerikkkans. US is purely performative socially and it means nothing. Tell them you voted for the opposite party and you'll see real anti-social behaviour.
>>2900877>It's so easy it's all your fault zoomers are just dumb pull yourself up by your bootstraps!Nobody believes this retarded boomer gaslighting anymore. Maybe even 10-20 years ago(at specific times/fields, 2008 was almost 20 years ago afterall) you could have some argument, but this job market is worse than 2008 at this point and if you are a white male and not a nepo baby you are systematically shut out of the best opportunities, and this has been going on for at least 10 years. The US is not really the land of opportunity and nobody believes the "it's all your fault bro" gaslighting anymore.
>>2900882One year of savings in the US is like 3-5 years living in South America on a below average wage.>>2900879Correct, even mentally disabled lolcows can afford living in the US.
>>2900882>HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY YOYou make it in the USA, you quit your job and figure it out in the third world. Up your skills, learn about finance, do whatever it takes to develop some form of income. If you fail and have to go back to the US, no worries, just iterate the process. Make money in the US again, go to the third world and chill again, and then try to figure it out again>>2900886>the best opportunitiesYou dont need the best opportunities. An American who takes advantages of the worst opportunities has it better than 99% of the world. $30k a year puts you in the 1% globally. A burger flipper or cashier in US is doing better than doctors and lawyers in most parts of the world. Careers are only for titles and social status, min wage isnt even that much lower than it in terms of earnings.
>>2900879This has to be bait. Australia housing prices have been meme-tier like the most expensive in the world for like 20 years now, it's one of the main things Australia is famous for. In the US post-covid this is very obvious as well.>>2900882>Unless someone gives me a remote job I don’t wanna fucking hear about living elsewhere.Yeah I have a remote job, it's pretty nice. Tbh at this point though if I had to start over and couldn't get a new one, I would still not live in the US, and I think there are much better opportunities now outside the US now. US genuinely feels totally dried up no opportunity now. Maybe I would start a business and still try to sell to the US market, but without a job paying US prices for everything would be totally brutal unless you just NEET at your parents, but then obviously you will have no access to women.>>2900890>You make it in the USA, you quit your job and figure it out in the third world. Up your skills, learn about finance, do whatever it takes to develop some form of income. If you fail and have to go back to the US, no worries, just iterate the process. Make money in the US again, go to the third world and chill again, and then try to figure it out againThis can work but I think you are underestimating just how bad it is for these zoomers, they literally cannot get their foot in the door anywhere. I am lucky that I graduated during Trump1, it is straight up apocalyptic out there now.>You dont need the best opportunities. An American who takes advantages of the worst opportunities has it better than 99% of the world. $30k a year puts you in the 1% globally. A burger flipper or cashier in US is doing better than doctors and lawyers in most parts of the world. Careers are only for titles and social status, min wage isnt even that much lower than it in terms of earnings.Maybe this can work if you just suffer as a NEET at your parents' house and save a few years. But you will get no pussy and not everyone can.
>>2900837Coldest take on this board.
Fuck zoomers.
>>2900884>South Americans>genuineHa ha haThey're nice to you when they want something from you. Otherwise they couldn't care less if you're getting knifed by a mugger for your phone in broad daylight. The rampant insecurity in South America makes most people sociopathic to a degree. I spent almost three months in Colombia, traveling from north to south, and in no other country did I cross paths with so many opportunistic scumbags who have all the moral character of a horsefly. India doesn't even come close. Indian attitudes toward a white American are much more careful and respectful, although their country is so much more of a mess than Colombia. Indian lowlifes are petty and annoying like shit flies, not aggressively determined to take a piece of you like horseflies. And in the USA, people smile and say "hi" or start a chat because they are feeling kind and sociable, nothing more. Even pretty girls do it sometimes just to be kind. In South America, never! One head to toe glance and I am disdainfully dismissed as a frumpy oddball by all the pretty light-skinned females. The dark African-admixed girls were openly curious, however. South American women can be very sexually bold when they want to be, so if you make their pussy tingle, they'll be all over you dancing with their crotch gyrating against your hip even if they just met you five minutes ago. Coming from hard to get USA, it's easy to see why a guy would think with his little head saying "whoamygod it's so much better down here".
>>2900837I hate foreigners. Anglos are superior people.
>>2900892>you are underestimating just how bad it is for these zoomers, thAll I see is zoomie crybabies bragging they refuse to work while crying they deserve a free house. Stop being lazy
Based boyo. I plan to leave the country as soon as i can. I am miserable here and have been happier every time I spent time abroad. The women, culture and pace of life here are just anti-human and brutally gynocentric.
>>2901013>I plan to leave the country as soon as i can.2 more weeks
>>2900959My experience with South America has mostly been the southern cone, I have avoided Colombia due to it being too much of a dangerous shithole with too many American blacks/wiggers there now. In Argentina people are very chatty. Are you brown?>>2900964All women from anglo countries have 20 bodies minimum and are basically the fattest most tattooed, most feminist in the world. Anglo culture is the most extreme gynocentric culture in the entire world, somehow even worse than western Europe.>>2901001What a retarded fucking boomer take. All I see zoomies talk about is how all they want is a job and they have applied to hundreds and gotten no response because all the jobs go exclusively to Indians and nepo babies now, even WOMEN are having a hard time getting hired. If anything zoomies work too hard, they minmaxx everything just like looksmaxxing and apply this to every aspect of life because they grew up in such a hypercompetitive society. Also these jobs pay nothing, in a lot of cases it pays more simply to leech gibs and do nothing that these boomer scum are willing to pay. Why would you bother?>>2901013Make sure you have a plan boyo and do whatever you need to do to escape, make your plans real. Debtmaxx if you have to, whatever you gotta do. There is nothing worse than spending the rest of your life in such an antihuman prison.
>>2901020What a retarded incel take, you obviously got your opinions from incel blogs and all you do is string together buzzwords
>>2901038>incel incel incel incelNo argument, you are the one with the buzzwords friend.
>>2901020>All I see zoomies talk about is how all they want is a job and they have applied to hundreds and gotten no responseNo that's because they apply with a below nigger tier Rezumee and can't write their own name. They apply as burger flippers demand a 240k+ wage, work from home and abroad, no more than 10h per month and if the weather is over 25°C it's a heat day off and if it's under 15°C it's a cold day off, if we are at it 365 paid days off per year would be neat as well as a bonus a 13th salary oh and a free 4 bedroom house is the absolute minimum.OmG wHy CaN't I fInD a JoB wItH zErO eXpErIeNcE aNd ZeRo SkIllS?!?!?!?!?!? Ze MaRkEt Is RiGgEd LiKe ZoMgt. employer
>>2901020>All I see zoomies talk about is how all they want is a job and they have applied to hundreds and gotten no responseif your attitude in real life is even remotely similar to your attitude on here i'm not fucking surprised. grow up
>>2901047In the past a traveling man i.e. hobo could sustain himself with day labor almost anywhere in the country. In 2026, shit. It's YOU the employers who create days, weeks worth of hoops to jump through just to earn some money. I don't have the time to loiter around town for weks hoping that Lord God Hiring Manager will finally deign to privilege me with five minutes of his time three weeks after I first applied for a job. Managerial bureaucracy has gotten completely out of hand. YOU useless overpaid fucks are the reason that jobs can't find workers and workers can't find jobs.
>>2901047It's very simple, you can shame and seethe and fingerwag all you want, but as this >>2901070 anon said, this is your fault, not zoomers' fault. Housing prices have like 4x'd in the last 5 years and wages have not increased at all, same with car prices. Unless someone can live with their parents and have their parents buy them a car, in most cases the shit wages you pay they would be making negative money working for you between a car and a place to stay, and on top of it you boomer scum gaslight and shame them for not doing something that on it's face simply doesn't make sense mathematically. It makes way more sense simply to collect gibs from the government than to pay money to slave away for you.>>2901066>GROW UP GROW UP GROW UPMore boomer feminine shaming language. I HAVE a good job your absolute boomer scum. I am one of the lucky ones that actually has a good paying remote job, but the job market is so cooked I don't know if I could get another one if I had to, and I have experience. The zoomers are trying hard, it is not their fault. They apply to 100 jobs and get no answer, and you just say "GROW UP!". That is what they are doing you absolute scum. This mentality will eventually collapse the economy and you will bitch and moan like you are a victim then as if it's not your fault.
>>2900861Not where I live!
>>2901074>It makes way more sense simply to collect gibs from the government than to pay money to slave away for youit ill behoves a man to be a parasite. currently there are more opportunities for a person to create wealth than have ever existed before. >playground shriekinggrow up/trv/ - travel
>>2901074You are just a lazy depressed doomer. Of course you fail at life you don't even try
>>2901103>it ill behoves a man to be a parasiteit ill behooves a man to starve, and if a job doesn't pay rent/groceries/transport then it doesn't need to be done. if a job doesn't actively seek out and respond to applicants then it doesn't need to get done. the onus is on employers to hire and train employees
>>2901047Sorry, you're not good enough to get the workers you want.
>>2901122>rent/groceries/transporteven in the biggest most expensive cities this caps out at $1200 topsor did you fall for the cucktryside meme and save $100 on rent just so you have the privilege of making half the wage and having to spend an extra $600 per month on transportation? in which case kwab ydi
>>2901140Man, you have no idea how expensive rent, cars, and insurance have gotten.
>>2901144>Man, you have no idea how expensive rent, cars, and insurance have gotten.I do, thats why I refuse to buy a car and only live in walkable cities when I'm in the USif you are trapped in some retirement suburb of florida where you need a car, and a room in a sharehouse with spics is $600 and the wages are $10-15 an hour than yeah its impossible. but you have freedom of movement and can move to a place thats advantageous for making money
>>2901150Your advice is to be carless (do without an effective necessity jobs will expect you to have) and live in a flophouse? Might as well join the army at that point.
>>2901157>an effective necessity>carkek. never traveled flyover coper. come to an actual city, pussy. there's always 1000 cheap rooms to rent to choose from. you can live in a flophouse, you can live with niggers, you can live with faggits, you can live with college kids, you can live with regular white working people. you can live with whoever you want because in the city you have choices
>>2901074You're feeding a troll. There's some chinkcel loser that keeps agitating across threads. Getting attention gets them a high because their parents never loved them, sad, but a good argument for eugenics.
>>2901157Joining the army is an easy way to get rich
I make $120k in NYC and still feel like I'm drowning financially. I don't see the point in staying here anymore when even this salary I would have dreamed of as a kid (way more than my parents ever made) can't afford me and my wife a place to live. I pay $2500 in fucking rent just so I don't need to live near fentanyl addled niggers. I put in a nominal amount into retirement, and we go on a trip or two every year, but after that there's really no getting ahead. My wife is foreign born so we could go to her country but that country is notorious for hideously low salaries too.
>>2901020I didn't ask. I don't want to hear gaslighting from brownies
>>2901201>I pay $2500 in fucking rent just so I don't need to live near fentanyl addled niggers.skill issue. NYC doesnt even have fent niggers like that. you pay 2500 to live in some status signalling richfag neighborhood that is closer to the thing you're scared ofbut you're still only paying 30k a year in rent, thats 90k left. assume 30k of it goes to taxes. thats 60k left a year in bank. maybe you spend 1k a month on food. ok. still at 48k leftover per year. math isnt mathing here>My wife is foreign born so we could go to her country but that country is notorious for hideously low salaries too.bug or bean?
>>2901157It's worth considering if you really don't have a path in life. >>2901150So the only path to success you're touting is Third World tier wagewhoring, work 60 hours a week while living in urban squalor. By the time you're done you'll have money but you'll also have lost your vitality along the way. That spark of enjoyment is gone. All you have is booze drugs and hoes to distract you from suicidal ennui. The money is not worth it.
>>2901631>So the only path to success you're touting is Third World tier wagewhoring, work 60 hours a week while living in urban squalor. By the time you're done you'll have money but you'll also have lost your vitality along the way.If you are weak and dumb you can't do it, but that's ok. The weak and dumb people get to copepost their struggles from flyover while I'm chilling in Asia
>>2901659>I'm chilling in AsiaI mean you can achieve that by just joining the navy
>>2900837I can't be the only person who thinks it's ugly when nonwhites dye their hair blonde.
>>2901665It's so easy to get rich in America. Just start a business. Lmao at tards who wage and live in big shitties or TEFL in SEA
>>2901201while many complaints and observations regarding economy and prices and salaries are indeed absolutely valid and relevant, you with your 120.000 anual salary dont strike me as someone who has the right to complain. >boohoo, im in the top range of salaries, but im not a millionair, it is so unfairthats you.
>>2901659LMAO, tropical Asia requires no strength at all to live in. You can be the weakest vegetarian loser cuck and still do well there because money can buy you everything including "love".
>>2901766>I can't reeeeeeeeeead lol
>>2901070Fucking tell me about it. I applied to be a fucking farmstand worker after getting laid off from biotech, and the faggots had me fill out a 50 question survey on how I interact with customers. I just wanted to help pick the veggies, wtf?? And I am sure they never even considered my resume. I am guessing the job just went to some Venezuelan they personally knew who probably couldn't even read the thing anyway. I think a big problem is that mega corporations have devoured anything good we used to have here. That's why every job sits behind a fucking online app now. You can't just walk in and start working nearly anywhere.Also in liberal areas as a white guy they actually, legitimately hate your guts. Because even if it's not personal, you stand between them and their precious social validation. They can not be seen to even help you at all.
>>2900837I went to a strip club in Australia tonight and just felt retarded and bored and almost fell asleep like I do in Anglo strip clubs. Australians are pretty lame and I'm not impressed with their cowboy hats, lowkey hostility or some screaming bums, indians, and scantily clad feminist women. I saw some half-polish girl walking back from the bar alone and she called me racist because I said aborigine instead of aboriginal people and said she hated Americans because blah blah and oh well maybe I can fuck one in Poland instead.
>>2901070Just make sure to pay rent so I can enjoy my 365 days off like I did for the last 10 years dear rentoid.
Damn, /trv/ is flooded with Eglin AFB 'jeets that really think people can still be gaslighted into thinking America isn't a judeo-Freemasonic hellscape
>>2901015Actual shill catchphrase. This is how I know these posts are not organic
OK where do I go as a 40 year old male?What do I do once I get there?
>>2903420So your three main options are Appalachia, India, and Singapore. Once you get there you want to join a hostel. And then sign up for a pub crawl and go to the museums. I am very smart, I read /trv/.
>>2901977This. Being born white and male in an anglo country is like being in an RPG but every single NPC in the game is hostile, kek.>>2901985What is it with you Aussies/Kiwis and your fucking strip clubs? Don't go to strip clubs in Poland some Kiwi I met got drugged and robbed.>>2903393Dude it's actually insane how they come out of the woodwork to try to convince young men to stay in the US, it's so transparent and obvious. When you travel outside the anglosphere for the first time as a white male it is this cathartic experience to be somewhere that is not centered around hating and hurting you as much as possible.>>2903420At 40 I will tell you to go to LatAm, but will not spoonfeed you the best place because I don't want it to get shit up. All I will tell you is LatAm but not Colombia. DYOR. You need to speak the language though.>>2903434Audibly kek'd at this, this board has really turned to shit.
>be burger>go to anglo parts of Europe>try the EPIC food and WALKABLE cities that amerikuks straight up never have europeans have - source notjustbikes>it's okay, lotta kebab places for whatever reason weird fucking hours everywhere else>see some of the older spots for churches and things, war memorials, castles that more or less were overhauled>it's cool but expensive post covid, I remember going before to places and things being like 1-5 euro, now like 15+>meetup with some people there, they ask me how I like it "It's okay I guess, what's with all the police though? Never remember this many at train stations or around here before">erm acktually sweaty we don't talk about that>oh okay well the places are fine I guess, kinda like how Asia and Americas do tourist and historic sites more though>their brains 404 not compute how can you not be mystified by a TRAIN, you can WALK to a grocery store, beer isn't the only one they know budwiser, did you know they have good yummy food!>get asked about trump/guns/holiday/healthcare moments later More than half the women are brain broken, the men will always bring up some power level of autsim(especially the germans), etc. Going to it again is just a chore especially with infinite migrants shitting up places.