appalachia would be much closer

>>2903150
>I'm looking for tips on how to save on money while on the trip so i can stay for longer. I don't have experience with longer term travel so any input would be appreciated!
Don't go to California
Use Airbnb
Flixbus/greyhound to get around
go buy a "used" bike and lock

>>2903150
Hello. Born in California. Lived all over the state. Dont bother. Go to Montana or something

>>2903153
>>2903159
What is wrong with California?

>>2903150
Rent a van and put an airbed in the back. Shit in produce bags, tie them shut and throw them in the street for the jannies to pick up. Strip down and pour a jug of water over your head to shower. Doesn't matter who is watching. Don't leave a spot until somebody tells you to move along. Blow clouds of weed smoke in the faces of passersby while playing niggerbeats on your portable speaker. Live your California dream.

>>2903150
>I'm looking for tips on how to save on money while on the trip so i can stay for longer. I don't have experience with longer term travel so any input would be appreciated!
There are two paths you can go if you want to save money. The first is workstay. If you go this route you have the upside of spending nothing for the entire duration of your trip. I did a workstay in the Redwoods forest near SF / Silicon Valley. I worked about 10 hours a week painting benches and in return I got free room and board. The fags on aircucknb were paying $220 a night for the same thing, except they didn't get food and they couldn't use the showers.

Your other option is to rent a room off of craigslist. You want your own room with shared common areas. The floor for this in the most expensive American cities is roughly $800 a month. They will let you sign a monthly lease. From here you can do daytrips in and around LA. If you're staying around 90 days you save thousands of dollars doing it this way vs using aircucknb or using nightly rentals. You get to experience local life and you get to have nontransactional relations with people.

For expensive countries like the US I recommend workstay, pay $40 to access the platform and read the reviews to make sure its not a slave driver. For poorer countries I recommend the second approach, short term rentals using local listings.

>>2903174
Literally what isnt wrong with it? Its a giant shithole and cesspool of corruption, except the little guy isnt allowed to take part

There isnt a single resource in the state that isnt mismanaged.

The beaches? So much sewage is pumping in from Tijuana that it reaches LA. Every beach from Dana Point and south is practically the Ganjes at the moment. In San Diego the water is literally brown. Industrial waste from LA and sewage from Mexico mixing together to kill everyone in Orange County

Talking about Orange County, putting aside the fact it is just an endless swath of strip malls, the county is currently dumping thousands and thousands of gallons of weed killer into the water table because reasons? No one knows and there is even a legal order to stop spraying but its being ignored. Half of orange county is basically mexican or viet slums, (Anaheim, Garden Grove, City of Orange, Westminster) and the other half is Jewish sterile suburbia (Irvine, Costa Mesa, Mission Viejo)

Talking about weed killer, the state is dumping it all over the Lake Tahoe area in order to control wildfires, instead of actaully doing any sort of wildfire prevention like controled burns

LA area? To do what? Get harrassed by homeless? Its ugly, its dirty, there isnt anything you can do there that you cant do in any major city. Anyone saying otherwise is cope.

I hope you enjoy driving. And by driving I mean sitting in traffic. And trying to find parking. LA area? lmao.

Yea go to Little Tokyo bro its so much fun, get some steamed buns heated by mexicans lmfao

Public Transit? Knife attacks in LA literally all the time on the bus and train. There was a fucking machete attack in downtown SD the other month, Its a fucking shithole

>>2903203
let him experience america. sometimes shitholes are kino. it's all about who you cross paths with.

>>2903203
Alright, i see, thanks for the heads up Anon

>>2903234
There are things to see in the United States.

Rent a car for three weeks. Sleep in it. Just go in google maps and put "truck stop" and you can park and sleep in the car. Cover the front window with a sunshade. Make sure you have some blankets. Stuff to cover the front tow windows etc.This is better than stopping at hotels because 80% of the hotels youll drive by on the highway are bedbug infested roach nests run by indians who dont wash the sheets ever

Take a road trip from Flagstaff Arizona, visit the grand canyon, all the way through Utah, stop by all the national parks, go to MOAB, go to Montana, Yellowstone, go Rushmore, drive through the plains of the Dakotas, go south, drive to Saint Louis, Go to Texas if you want to go to Texas. I wouldnt. Kansas is better. then go to the Appalacians, then end in a town with a airport of your choosing, return the car there and fly home.

Go down Route 66. Take state highways. THATS the american experience. Hang out in cities you want to stay longer in.

Dont waste away in Los Angeles. Or anyhwere in California really. Monterey area isnt a bad visit, you can drive north through Oregon after. Portland is a shithole too though. Point is dont just squat in some dump.

>>2903251
To add to this Ive driven cross country coast to coast six or seven times now so Ive got all sorts of tips.

I usually start the day looking for a local diner. Get the steak and eggs. Sometimes depending where I parked for the night I gotta drive and hour or two to the next town. If you cant find a local diner go to a Dennys. Its sisco slop but itll get the job done. If Im somewhere sizable ill then look for a specialty coffee shop for a pour over.

At the start of your trip go to a walmart, buy a roll of pastic trash bags and several packages of bathroom wet wipes. Trust me when you need to take a shit and the nearest bathroom is 2 hours away, youll be thanking God for having wet wipes in the car.

I usually stop exclusively at Pilot Truck stops. Most regular gas stations off of the major interstate freeways , especially if it isnt in a major citu, will let people park there overnight. BUT if you are in a mjaor city you NEED to find a truck stop or you risk being harrassed by cops. (Not really true but if youre a eurofag you should keep to this rule it wont fail you)

Rental cars almost always have tinted windows in the back so you only need to worry about the front.

If you want to see what America REALLY is, drive through it. Go through the desert. See the geological formations not found anywhere else on earth. Go through the small towns in New Mexico. Go to the small towns in the south. See the decaying infrstructure. See the ghettos in all the cities.

>>2903251
>>2903253
This is a retarded and pointless experience. Anyone can watch a dashcam video on Youtube and they will have "seen" America in the exact same way, without having to waste all of their money and time.

The only way to know a place is to reside in it. If he has 90 days, it's better to reside in one place for 90 days. Living in your car like a bum is expensive, risky, and unpleasant, and it accomplishes nothing you can't get from a Youtube video.

>>2903260
This is completely false. You get nothing from sitting on your sofa drinking beer, shitposting and watching TV for 90 days in a place you've locked down for yourself. Dull. Mundane. Predictable. Saggy with fat rolls and medicated despondency. Some people are lazy shits who can't comprehend a life without their bottle of meds, their ass glued to a sofa and their eyes glued to a screen. Ignore them. Go have adventures, talk to weird people in camper vans at Walmart, sleep illegally in beach towns and enjoy the thrill of a sunrise starting another easy day, dance around a bonfire with a bunch of nomads you just met, drop some acid, stroll naked through the desert, do everything you ever dreamed of doing. This is the only way to live your California dream.

>>2903260
Absolutely incorrect on every level possible.

I fucking hate the southwest, I hate the desert, but I will be the first to tell anyone that once in their life, they need to drive through Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. Hell I hate the midwest too.

There is literally nothing more American than driving cross country.

Just like how you cannot fathom just how fucking big the grand canyon is until you see it; the tiny eurofag mind cannot comphrehend the vastness of the New World

"Residing" in LA is the most worthless experience you could advocate. American and even most European major cities have completely lost all real identity. They are just amalgamations of each other

>>2903150
How much money do you have? Cheap lodging is usually not safe in LA. And what method of travel are you using? I enjoyed driving through the desert but I grew up in Florida so it was only because of the massive change in scenery.

>>2903150
I have to ask... why go to LA? Sure there plenty of famous places there, but it's not a place to go to save money. It all depends on why exactly you're going there.

>>2903320
I heard hostels are there maybe for a day of cleaning I can make some cash to feed myself and sleep. Trying to get myself a YT career for the rest and pay for my travels around the state, thinking about buying a Vespa or the like there of. Do some urban exploring in like Skid Row, old factories, the famous "hoods" and so on. Maybe I'll just hitch hike since California seems to be the good one where people are more European in politics and such. If I like it I might stay, the Euro is tanking whilst the USD seems to be fine. Seems like a good place to start an indie YT career/film/politics review channel and make some good cash. I heard houses in the USA can be cheap, like 300k for 2 bedroom? Insane compared to there.

Just not sure how quick it is to start making some cash.

>>2903337
> Maybe I'll just hitch hike since California seems to be the good one where people are more European in politics and such
lmfao you are going to end up dead in a ditch

>>2903295
>sitting on your sofa drinking beer, shitposting and watching TV for 90 days in a place you've locked down for yourself. Dull. Mundane. Predictable. Saggy with fat rolls and medicated despondency.
You can take the tourbus away from the tourcattle, but then he just becomes housecattle apparently.
>>2903301
>There is literally nothing more American than driving cross country.
Why do truckers get paid thousands of dollars per week to do that, and why do only illegal spics and jeets want to be truckers?
>>2903337
You must be baiting with a plan this shitty. If you want money get a job. Jewtube is saturated with influencerniggers and it takes years to make a penny off of it

>>2903344
I've seen other Germans do it fine. They use something called Greyhound. I think it would be fun to experience and interview people. My accent and looks will do me favors given the average walmart american goblin.
>>2903346
You sound like someone who only gets 2 weeks holiday and can't take it without paying thousands for it. I specifically chose California because they seem to be like a good mix of Sweden and Italy, I would love to learn to surf from the locals in exchange I show them and tell them tales from the EU; maybe help them move too. I know many americans are looking to move out.

>>2903351
>I specifically chose California because they seem to be like a good mix of Sweden and Italy, I would love to learn to surf from the locals in exchange I show them and tell them tales from the EU; maybe help them move too. I know many americans are looking to move out.
yeah that's dope dude good luck with that

>>2903355
Thank you kind anon, finally someone who isn't a doomer.

>>2903351
>I've seen other Germans do it fine. They use something called Greyhound. I think it would be fun to experience and interview people. My accent and looks will do me favors given the average walmart american goblin.

Good plan. You will experience the bottom 20% of "Americans" and while traveling greyhound is shit it should be interesting.

I'm planning a similar trip to England on the cheap and will experience the dregs of Manchester . Just plan on studying them for a month or two

>>2903351
>I've seen other Germans do it fine.
Germans are retarted, they also walk in Death Valley with their children and die of heat exposure
>>2903365
He was being sarcastic.

>>2903150
go to san diego zoo

>>2903203
Midwit /pol/ take, ignores natural beauty entirely because its made by some flyover shut in
>>2903251
This fucking IDIOT is recommending going to St. Louis and North Dakota over the mountains and coasts of California? Holy shit this is a retarded take. Yes, drive through endless plains of nothing to see some shitty “badlands” that are just a footnote off the side of the 60 here in California. Fucking Kansas? You want this guy to go to fucking Kansas? Moab and southern UT are amazing but with 3 weeks buddy here could go to Southern UT, the Grand Canyon and then loop back through CA and see the Sierra Nevada.

I agree with car camping, its by far the best way to save money, but youre still renting a car for a few weeks. Youd puncutate the car camping with hotel stays.

The guy is right only about LA - dont waste away in LA as a confused tourist sitting in traffic. Heres what id do to save money.
>3 week car rental, crossover SUV big enough to sleep in but not a massive gas hog

Heres a chain of driving I think could be completed in 3 weeks.
Day 1-3: LA area, Getty Museum, LACMA, fuck Hollywood avoid it
Day 4: Drive into Joshua Tree National Park.
Day 5: Drive from Joshua Tree to Grand Canyon South Rim
Day 6: Grand Canyon
Day 7: Drive to Moab, take a detour through Monument Valley/The Goosenecks
Day 8-11: Moab area, Arches, Canyonlands, Potash Rd/Kane Creek/Fisher Towers the entire area is amazing
Day 12: Drive to Bryce via RT-12
Day 13: Zion
Day 14: Vegas rest day or push to Death Valley
Day 15: Death Valley
Day 16: Eastern Sierra - Whitney region
Day 17: Eastern Sierra - Mammoth Lakes
Day 18: Tioga Rd. to Yosemite
Day 19: Yosemite
Day 20: Drive to SF
Day 21: SF/departure


Fuckton of driving but this is better than 14 days of driving through plains, fuck Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma and St. fucking Louis

>>2903150
last time I was in California (as kraut)
I flew in to San Francisco, stayed a few days
went climbing in Yosemite for like a week, then did a few National Parks up the West Coast (Redwood, carter lake, lassen volcanic, Olympic, north cascades)
total of like 40 days

because honestly
traveling the US is mainly worth it for the nature
for anything else you get better value elsewhere

>looking for tips on how to save on money
what's your budget?
and what's your baseline?

we stayed in a lot of really nice, small actual Bed and Breakfast hotels
they are not exactly "budget", usually $2-300/night
similar to airbnbs or regular hotels, but the owners often are around and give good tips, plus really good breakfasts and they feel very american

cheapest is to just camp
US allows "dispersed camping" on all? most? publicly owned land
you need a car anyway
and you can rent one with a rooftop tent for a minimal (like ~$5/day more in my case) higher amount

>>2903253
Adding to this, AVOID New Mexico this trip unless you want your car broken into, or you plan to drive up into Colorado. New Mexico is a place of middling natural beauty with seriously fucked cities. Your shit WILL get broken into. Do not stay anywhere in NM overnight. Im saying avoid NM outright since geographically it makes no sense this trip.

As far as “seeing ghettos” and “talking to camper van rubbertramp homeless bums” is concerned, id rather admire natural beauty and chat with hot women in campgrounds in the mountains (you only see hot women in the mountains and everyone is really nice), but if you want to hang out with bums and see ghettos why not just stay in LA? Do a grand tour of skid row, Compton, Hawthorne, Adelanto, Rialto and San Bernardino? Like what the fuck kind of recommendation is this?

Why not go look at some old ghost towns and defunct mining operations in the Sierra if you want “industrial decay”? The only thing this post gets right is that the desert of the American southwest, specifically UT/AZ, is absolutely incredible and worth seeing. PS dont camp on native land.

Greyhound is shit. Want to sit on a bus with shit stinking homeless? I dont. Get a fucking rental car. Also, book a class if you want to learn to surf. You can try and introduce yourself to a local but your “looks” wont go far in LA. Its a good looking little town and you wont stand out. Youd better be a very charismatic guy to bum a surfboard let alone get someone to teach you to surf.

Honestly just take the fucking surfliner north and let the chips fall where they may at this point. Camp on the beach where possible, stay in Motel 6, god I hate brokeasses just dont travel if you cant afford a car or hotel, or your precious surf lesson jesus.

>>2903337
Nobody wants to hire random strangers who just stepped in off the street any more in America. To get in on the countless lucrative opportunities you have to know people. Of course there are exceptions - my most successful job to date involved my boss hiring me sight unseen after a phone interview - but don't be fooled into thinking that money is just laying around for the taking in this country just because there are a fuckton of rich faggots. They are all stingy and suspicious as fuck and not quite as smart as they think they are. They'll get scammed out of $10K by a smooth talking pajeet but balk at letting you mow their lawn for $50.

Hitchhiking is fun is you like meeting nutjobs, because only nutjobs stop for hitchhikers in current year.

>>2907206
Most desirable dispersed campsites near towns have been closed due to abuse of the land by campers. Other available sites fill up with van vagabonds by 2 pm, trying to find some shade. (Vehicles become uninhabitable in the full sun unless it's like 55° or breezy outside.) Technically you can park right next to another camper on public land, but some people especially mentally ill solo vanfoids get super butthurt "muh privacy is being violated and I don't feel safe" even though every campground and RV park crams their paying guests in side by side. Constantly barking dogs owned by aforementioned mentally ill vanfoids may chase you away in any case. People also frown upon carbums pissing and shitting on the ground, or even worse shitting in diapers and throwing them on the ground. If you are not an IBS American you're better off heading to a public outhouse or restroom in the morning. But obese shartmutts often leave outhouses in terrible condition, with explosive diarrhea splattered all over.

>>2907209
Anyone planning a trip around hitchhiking that isnt in wilderness areas like Yosemite/Eastern Sierra where backpackers frequent is just going to stand in the sun all day like a jackass, wasting time. Total madness to try this in LA. Worst case scenario they wind up dead.

The United States is a lot bigger and more rugged than Europe, there arent roads and tunnels over every mountain pass and trains all over the place, youre pretty much on your own when it comes to transportation to places of natural beauty.

What the fuck is it on this board with broke retards planning multi-week wishful thinking trips with no real logistics or budget? What is it you /really/ want here? Just to sit around and be a fucking bum all day, riding busses and begging people for shit? Wow the waiting around for the Greyhound experience sure is amazing! The obese borderline bitch at the dirty bus stop feverishly telling me all about her trauma and the way it influences her poetry that shes too scared to publish sounds far more enjoyable to me than gazing out my windshield at the ocean or the mountains as I play my music! Man I just wish I could smell ripe body odor as I drive through the desert in a crusty bus seat, what an experience that is to look out a window under those conditions! Simply unforgettable.

>>2907212
i really cannot tell if this is satire or not

when I was camping
we just had an app to look up public land boundaries (land from USFS / BLM), and public land was literally around all the national parks, really easy to find
then checked via satellite images, like google earth, if it looks nice
took the car maybe ~200-500m inside that land (so you cannot see the road) and then we camped there

(camper)vans mostly kept to actual campsides and we rarely saw them outside

>Vehicles become uninhabitable in the full sun
you are supposed to have fun during the day, you know?
why would you set up camp during peak sun

>vagabonds
>vanfoids
is this really such a big problem?
I was in 2025 and like I said, outside of parking lots I rarely saw vans

>>2907220
You two are talking about completely different situations camping near national parks in the middle of nowhere, easy, vs camping near cities , near impossible

>>2903150
Its pretty fun, but idk how to save money there. Things are pretty expensive. I went to SoCal for school. I would recommend Joshua Tree for sure if you like hiking. Also, the museums of Riverside. And Redlands + Downtown Redlands are really cute. They have a nice night market. Love that whole area, its super artsy.

>>2907273
>camping near national parks in the middle of nowhere, easy, vs camping near cities , near impossible
ah makes sense

well
but then, why would you want to stay in the cities
there are very few reasons to camp in the city
the only ever "good" camping sites in cities I found were in Europe around rivers through cities and also never saw a decent one outside Germany or France
of course you will only find bums there

and like I said, traveling the US is mainly worth for the national parks

>>2907412
National parks are literally the containment zones. Tourist normie slop. There's 190 million acres of national forest and 200+ million acres of BLM in the USA, all of which is free to disperse camp in and hike (offtrail and on trail), with places that are better and more beautiful than most of the NP's. There are multiple different types of public land.

BLM (bureau of land management) = middle of nowhere basically, not much forest, camp/hike almost anywhere. Largest chunk of public land. 246 million acres

USFS (US forest service, ie national forest) = actual unimaginably large swaths of forest and wildlands of varying beauty, many area much better and more beautiful than national parks, camp/hike almost anywhere. 2nd largest chunk of public land. 192 million acres

State trust/state land/parks = Varies massively by location even within the same state. Includes state forests, usually more restrictive than national forest, sometime significantly more restrictive. Also a large chunk of public land in the USA (200+ million acres).

USFWS/NWR (fish and wildlife refuges) = restrictive, mostly for wildlife. About the same size as NPS, maybe more if including marine areas. 89 million acres (land)

NPS (national park service) = most tourist oriented slop locations where 99% of people go even though it makes up less than 13% of USA public land. 84 million acres. Most restrictive.

>>2903150
CA is godtier between LA and SF and north of SF. otherwise its only godtier if you’re loaded af

>>2907951
>Tourist normie slop
this is /trv/ not /out/
i do like to go /out/ but sometimes I also like managed trails and staying in a hotel nearby
but you do you

>There's 190 million acres of national forest and 200+ million acres of BLM in the USA,
>with places that are better and more beautiful than most of the NP
either drop some locations or stop talking
because the only ones I could find during my research for my last 2 US trips were public lands directly next to NPs or clearly inferior to the NPs I wanted to go
the one exception where things that sounded like National Parks but aren't any (i.e. national recreation area) which are usually cool but had very similar rules

i really don't understand your hate of US national parks
like yeah Yosemite is busy
but even in Redwood, there were barely any people, like hours without seeing anyone, outside the parking lot

Go to Catalina and the Channel Islands.

>>2907951
No they aren't more beautiful than the parks. Parks were created to protect America's most stunning and unique landscapes. Other public lands are still intriguing to explore for a nature lover, but they won't be one of a kind.

>>2907213
Everyone isn't an arrogant aloof travel robot like you who scorns everybody around him and has to have every little piece of his itinerary planned out before he even sets out. Most people want to meet the locals when they travel, be free to pursue any social opportunities which arise, etc. Driving a car hundreds of miles a day in remote places makes that unlikely to happen. You'll spend a bunch of money for a comfortable but essentially unmemorable trip. "I drove and saw some sights".

>>2908371
There are literally hundreds of areas in NFs and even some state forests that rival the upper tier national parks. The NP's were literally created as tourist containments/ambassador zones.

>>2908510
And because this is trv I'll name 20 for you tards.

Tallulah Gorge, GA
Linville Gorge, NC
Sproul State Forest, PA
Oak Creek Canyon, AZ
Sycamore Canyon, AZ
Mogollon Rim Highlands, AZ
Grand Mesa, CO
Areas in White River NF, CO
Areas of Dixie NF, UT
Areas in the Uintahs, UT
Areas around Flathead lake and NF, MT
Areas of the north CA coast
Areas of the south OR coast
Wallowa-Whitman NF, OR
Areas around Shasta, CA
Areas in the Frank-Church Wilderness, ID
Swaths of the UP, MI
Areas in Ozark NF, AR/MO
Daniel Boone NF, KY areas
Monongahela NF, WV areas

Utah BLM also has lots of desert areas crazier than most NP's as well.

Anyway, the fact that these areas are NOT national parks is unbelievably good for those areas, national parks shit up an otherwise unknown and beautiful area on public land. As I stated previously, national parks are the most restrictive USA public land type and they are universally normoid (think hordes of room temp IQ brown people who litter everywhere and are noisy and rude) containment zones.

>>2908512
Maybe there are some shitty low tier national parks that are worse than the best national forests, but the best national parks are one of a kind. I’ve been to the south Oregon coast and some Oregon BLM, they were nice but nothing compared to Glacier national park

>>2908512
My only beef with parks is the admission fee, which is waived if you have a pass (which every person looking to explore American nature should get). I've been to a lot of the spots you listed (like highways Az-288 and Co-65) and while they have top notch dispersed camping, the truth is that the lack of development takes away from their touristic appeal. You have to be going awfully slow to enjoy what the more remote parts of the American wildlands offer you.