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Can anyone recommend a good Tiananmen Square Massacre 天安門一九八九年 tour guide?

wait until page ten next time

>>2904345
SAAAAAAAR

What's the best fatty pork dish in China? I mean just the juiciest, savory, melt in your mouth dish. I'm heading there next month and I'll need my fix.

>>2904490
Probably 回锅肉 twice fried pork
You can find it pretty much everywhere

>>2904490
红烧肉

What are some underrated Chinese cities or provinces that would make nice places to live for someone who hates big modern tech cities and hustle culture?

Hello friends, my country only gets 30 day visa free stays. Is it possible to me stay 30 days in Shenzen, spend a weekend in HK and then enter back with a new 30 days visa? Will I get caught?

>>2904540
Yunnan and southern Sichuan are very laid back and popular among laowais seeking the chill life

>>2904559
Yes, you can do it, nobody will care unless you do it multiple times, in which case they will suspect you are doing something illegal

>>2904562
Thanks, I just wanna spend a few months improving my chinese, will probably stay at a hostel which is cheapest. Any tips you could have for me?

>>2904564
If your Chinese is good enough to talk to an agent you could rent an apartment for 3 months, would probably be cheaper than a hostel
You could also do a short course at a university which would give you accomodation
How good is your Chinese? And what visa would you plan to come on?

>>2904540
If your Chinese is not good then unfortunately nowhere will be "chill" for you as you will immediately run into the frustrations of overcoming the language barrier

>>2904568
I'm at a decent HSK2 level so not good. I'm hoping to improve enough to pass the HSK3 so I can get a subsidy to study a semester there (am from Spain).

My biggest issue is budget. I only have around $5000 saved and want it to last me 6 months around SEA/China all included.

>>2904582
It would probably be easier for you just to cram for a month at home then go directly for your semester in China. I don't think living in China would actually help you so much at this stage, because you can't understand people explaining things in Chinese so you still have to rely on English to communicate. Of course, you can still go to China and it will probably help your Chinese, but not as much as you might think.
>$5000 for six months
So about 33k yuan... 5500 a month, it's about the same as the take home pay of an office worker in a small T3 city. China is cheap but I doubt you can really travel on that kind of budget especially without good Chinese, you won't know where cheap stuff is or how to buy it

>>2904587
I see, I went to Beijing in April and I could understand words here and there (no issues with phonetics just not understanding what the word/phrases meant) but had the translate app on constantly to help me navigate situations. I have no problem using AI or "translate app" to search in WeChat/forums for info.

I'm also hoping to get away from living with my parents for the 6 months and grow up a bit by being alone lol

>>2904589
NTA. As someone who was 19 the first time I went to China, just go for it. Use whatever opportunity you have to just get yourself there. You have more than enough money. There are people in China who live on 500 kuai/month. And yes, I "grew up" a lot those three months. Who knows maybe you'll bring a Chinese bride back to Spain with you

>>2904581
That doesn't bother me.

Planning a 8 day trip to HK and Macau next year. Is the $140 visa worth an overnight stay in Guangzhou?

>>2904340
>3000 year old dynastic building
>rebuilt in 1993

>>2904490
do not listen to these idiots >>2904493
>>2904522, they are giving you internet normie answers. if you want juiciest, savory, melt in your mouth, the you want to try FenzhengRou 粉蒸肉, or a similar sliced pork belly which is then steamed. fenzhenrou is covered in rice powder before it is steamed and it is juicy and melt in your mouth and flavour depends on which version it is. sometimes it could be slices arranged in a bowl neatly or could just be plopped in a steamer. there are other sliced pork belly steamed in a bowl dishes depending on where you are. fenzhengrou might be ribs so make sure you're gettin sliced belly.

>>2904582
find an online tutor and do a couple of hours of speaking practice every day. if you are in china in a random city you are going to speak 10 minutes of chinese a day poorly as you try to order food or have the same where are you from conversation 20 times.

>>2904644
no. unless there is something you absolutely must see in guangzhou, then you aren't missing anything by just spending the time in hk/macau.

>>2904678
>dont listen to these idiots theyre giving you exactly what you asked for
"internet normie" answers is a silly way to describe 1) the same answers Chinese people would give you 2) something that normies know nothing about

>>2904617
>>2904679
Would doing a long term stay (6-12 months) as an au-pair/live-in tutor be a better use of my time? Found many families offering full board wanting someone to live with them so their kids can practice English

>>2904617
Even an impoverished peasant nowadays gets 2000 a month

>>2904762
It's illegal and if you get found out you can kiss your chances of ever coming back to work/study goodbye

>>2904644
You don't need a visa to spend 1 night in GZ in between HK and Macau

I'm going to stay a couple of months in Tianjin due to work, what VPN do people recommend? I just want to browse gmail and youtube occasionally (and maybe torrent some stuff I don't know how strict they are with piracy).

>>2904765
depends on what country he is from

>>2904762
DO NOT DO THIS. They will abuse you/make you work a lot. Not saying the Chinese are like Arabs but you do not want to get into this situation. I know how laid back Spanish people, it will feel like prison. Just go be a "normal" English teacher if you really want. But know that English teachers are the literal bottom of the totem pole in terms of laowai in China, but you're young so you shouldn't care too much about that

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>>2904827
I use Keepsolid VPN Unlimited

>>2904834
Thanks, I'll keep it in mind. I've been researching a bit and it's crazy because half of websites say one thing and the other half says the opposite ("mullvad is perfect in china" vs "mullvad doesn't work in china").

>>2904830
If he's from anywhere remotely white or first world he should be able to

>>2904827
Mullvad worked well for me

>>2904827
mullvad worked fine for me, if your work has a VPN back to your office outside of China you can use that as well.

Provinces tier list (for travelling):

S: Yunnan, Xinjiang, Beijing
A: Sichuan, Shanxi, Henan
B: Shanghai, Shandong, Shaanxi, Heilongjiang
C: Ningxia, Hebei, Inner Mongolia
D: Liaoning, Tianjin
Not been to: the rest

I will be traveling to west sichuan and Dong area of Guizhou soon. Anyone been there or heard any tips?

>>2904914
Can you add some notes for each province senpai? It looks like a good bit of travel but doesn't mean much without elaboration.

>>2904947
>S tier
Yunnan: good weather in winter, clean air, amazing scenery (mountains, lakes, jungles), tasty local fruit. Kunming is boring though, it's basically a retirement community.
Xinjiang: completely unique landscape and culture, great food that is super cheap, very few tourists, every city is different. Security can be a bit stifling though
Beijing: the most important city in Chinese history and culture, loads of well preserved buildings, great wall and mountains good for hiking, best museums in the country.
>A tier
Sichuan: really good food, big cities, unique scenery and culture in the western Tibetan-populated areas. Lots of interesting historical towns like Langzhong. Weather slightly more uncomfortable than Yunnan.
Shanxi: underrated mountains, loads of history in Datong area, tasty noodles. Slightly poor but more authentic than Shandong. Avoid Taiyuan.
Henan: origin of Chinese civilisation, full of history, food and scenery are ok to meh. Best cities: Anyang and Luoyang. Avoid Kaifeng.
>B Tier
Shanghai: China's most advanced and developed city but not much to do as a tourist other than look at big buildings and drink overpriced coffee.
Shandong: a more boring version of Henan but Qingdao, Yantai, and Mt Tai are worth a visit. Good food.
Shaanxi: a poorer and more mountainous version of Shanxi, not very much to do outside of Xi'an, which by itself is A tier. Quite polluted.
Heilongjiang: great food, interesting history and architecture, but weather is a big problem. Collapsing industrial economy that has HEAVILY leaned into tourism, polluting many towns with plastic "我在XX村很想你" signs and other tat.
>C tier
Ningxia: very poor, interesting history but nothing you can't find in Inner Mong. or Gansu apart from the Xixia tombs.
Hebei: all of the downsides of Henan (pollution, boring grid cities, meh food) with none of the upsides. My gf is from here.

>cont in next post

>>2904947
>>2904950
>C tier cont.
Inner Mongolia: false advertising in the name as it is 90% Han Chinese. Very polluted, full of fake Mongol-related tourist infrastructure (think concrete foundation yurts). Xinjiang has better grasslands and less tourists. More isolated areas might be better but the main tourist areas of Hohhot, Ulanqab, and Ordos all suck.
>D tier
Liaoning: polluted, cold, no history, nothing to do. Dalian is B tier, the rest is a post-industrial wasteland that hasn't been revitalised by tourist yuans like Heilongjiang.
Tianjin: by far the most boring city I have ever been to, it does not even try to pretend to be interesting. The main attractions are a ferris wheel and the old Italian concession, which is 100% fake. Not even worth a day trip.

Which city has the most Chinese goth girls?

>>2904950
Based anon delivers. Thanks bro. Why avoid Kaifeng though? This and Luoyang both seem good for historyfagging but Kaifeng kinda looked from the internet like it might be the comfier of the two.

>>2904914
Where would you most want to live? Maybe Yunnan?

>>2904950
Can you tell us moar about Xinjiang? Central Asia in general has a particularly alluring old world mystique for me.

>>2904340
Please, next time, don’t make the new thread until the previous one hits page 10. This board is very slow.

>>2904950
>Avoid Kaifeng.
I keep seeing posts like this but as a Song nerd I really want to include it in my trip. What's so bad about it? I wouldn't mind some shitty concrete reconstructions of historical buildings, but if the city and the people themselves are lame I might reconsider. Also, does it get a lot of Western tourism or is it comparatively niche?

>>2904950
>Security can be a bit stifling though
what is chinese security like?
I was blown away when I visited Israel by how casual their security is just army people with guns in shoulder slings and there's a lot less theater than american security

Any Gansu stans ITT?

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>>2905028
This guy has a stick up his ass over Kaifeng for some reason. Imagine going all the way to Henan and then not going to Kaifeng. Retarded advice.
>What's so bad about it?
Compared to other cities in China? Nothing. I wouldn't want to live there but as a tourist literally nothing wrong. Friendly people, plenty of touristy shit, amazing food.
>I wouldn't mind some shitty concrete reconstructions of historical buildings
There are both reconstructions and originals. Would recommend Tieta (Iron Pagoda) for something super legit.
>but if the city and the people themselves are lame I might reconsider
They aren't. I was just there again and even Kaifeng has cosplay and lolita dress girls now.
>Also, does it get a lot of Western tourism or is it comparatively niche?
I've been to Kaifeng 5 times and only saw other white people there once at the Dragon Pavilion. I've been to Millennium Park several times and never saw other white people there. One time I was mobbed by schoolchildren on a field trip there but that was ~10 years ago. I finally went to the Wansui Wuxia Kung Fu whatever the fuck fantasy park and saw no foreigners there either. Apparently that place is blowing up for domestic tourists but I would skip it.

Picrel is a photo I took of a local construction company CEO's house in Kaifeng. And yes Luoyang is great too, I never said it wasn't. Also this guy said there isn't much to do in Shaanxi outside of Xi'an lmao. I guess he's never heard of The Yungang Grottoes or The Hanging Temple.

>>2904953
Do you like girls with no ass?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVIQPN7Qits

Tianjin still sucks btw

think I might have every fun alcoholic dudes wechat in shenzhen at this point but girls its impossible to meet. Their unemployed ass always wants to meet when im working or they stay up all night and then sleep all day on weekends

>>2905034
Security will follow foreigners to keep a tab on them, who they meet, where they go, and maybe even politely direct you to fuck off from certain areas back to the tourism zones

>>2904831
It was funny when a girl thought I was a poor English teacher even though she knew ai worked at an international school and taught a subject. My 40k pre-tax salary floored her.

>>2904831
checking aupair sites it looks like a sweet deal with some rich families that have a housekeeper that cooks and cleans, big house etc and just want me to speak English to their kids and read English books to them. Some agencies also exist and they say max 25-30 hours of work so how bad can it be if I go with an agency?

>>2905057
Thanks for elaborating, I'll keep it in my itinerary then.
>I've been to Kaifeng 5 times and only saw other white people there once
Lmao, I didn't realize it's that obscure.

>>2904957
>>2905028
only two of the buildings are originals, everything that's not an original or a temple has been mega touristified into a mockery of itself, it's not a terrible place but after visiting luoyang and Anyang and expecting it to be on the same level I was severely disappointed

>>2905057
Yungang grottoes and hanging temple are in Shanxi not Shaanxi

>>2905119
ywnbaw

>>2905124
It's not.

>>2904340
Nobody wants to go to this diseased shithole with no freedom and too many people who all look same.

>>2905167
Yet it's one of the board's faster moving generals. Curious.

I've read that northeastern girls are tall and sturdy with a reputation for being cool and fun. Is it true lads?

>>2904950
>Ningxia: very poor, interesting history but nothing you can't find in Inner Mong. or Gansu apart from the Xixia tombs.
I'm attracted to these weird provinces out west like this and Gansu and Qinghai. You mention Gansu in your description of Ningxia but Gansu didn't get its own entry. Did you forget it or you haven't actually been? I'm unironically looking at it for teaching jobs just because it seems adventurous.

>>2904965
Yunnan in the winter and Xinjiang or Qingdao in the summer. I am but a mere frail whiteboy and the humidity in the south during the summer is a mortal threat to me.
I will be working in Shanghai for the next two years, so maybe I will end up liking it a bit more.

>>2905034
Most security is complete theatre that exists as a kind of welfare for young people too unfit to join the army and old guys with no pension. For example in the metro stations you have to x-ray your bag to go in but they don't even look at the screens. Or on the bridges across roads they have some old ass guy sitting there 24/7 doing nothing. However, there are three exceptions which I have experienced:
>The security at Tiananmen square
>Armed police who accompany foreign dignitaries and high ranking officials (the prime minister of Malaysia visited my university)
>Xinjiang
In Xinjiang they both had theatre and real security. For example bag scanner checkpoints at big markets and entrances to schools/mosques. And then armed police patrols after sunset that would come and take photos of me and my passport. In Kashgar I saw about 10 armed police with riot shields and dogs practicing a mock assault on the main mosque at night. On top of that, you've got armoured cars with soldiers at major junctions and squares. Every time you go into a tourist attraction your passport is photographed and scanned, when you take the train you have to talk to the station police officer. All these photos of you and your passport are sent into a massive WeChat group chat for the city police. So yeah it was a constant presence and made it difficult to relax, unlike in the rest of China where it's relatively unobtrusive.
Oh and one time two of the police dogs started fucking in the middle of the road and nobody wanted to get their hand bitten separating them so like five policemen and 20-30 locals just 围观ed it lmao

>>2905176
I've not been to Gansu, but Ningxia used to be a part of it until the 50s. The only reason Ningxia exists is because it's where the Hui were resettled after 90% of the Hui in Shaanxi and Gansu were killed or displaced in the Dungan revolt. It was actually selected specifically because it was isolated, had poor quality soil, and was not on any important trade routes or roads. Basically so the Hui couldn't revolt again and the good land could be given to new settlers.
Gansu is just very very poor, I would advise you travel there first before committing to a job, it lacks a lot of the material comforts that are common in other Chinese cities.
When going to Ningxia everyone assumed I was either forced to go there on business or was only visiting because I had been to every other province already lol. Didn't help that it was the middle of winter, I saw maybe 10 other visitors in the entire Xixia tombs complex.

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>>2904970
depends what you want to hear. I was there for two weeks solo travelling, went to Kucha, Kashgar Yarkent, Ili, Urumqi, Turpan, and Hami. You can divide Xinjiang into three regions, South, North, and East, all of them are quite different.

The south is the Uyghur heartland, very few Han people, isolated oasis cities around the rim of the Taklamakan desert. Lots of traditional Islamic architecture and small interesting towns. lots of mountains and deserts

The north is where the Mongol Dzungar Khanate used to be, but it was wiped out by the Qing and is now where Xinjiang's Han people live, along with Kazakhs and some Uyghurs who moved north in the 1700s to farm or more recently to work in the oil industry and government. More modern cities with less old buildings but beautiful grasslands and mountains particularly in the Ili valley.

The east is a bit weird, the two main cities are Turpan (mostly Uyghur) and Hami (mostly Han), it is separated in two by a big mountain range. South of the mountains is lots of farmland fed by water from aquifiers, and further south is the desert. North of the mountains is a very isolated steppe mostly inhabited by Kazakhs, less grassy than Ili and feels a bit like Mongolia.

>>2905178
>it lacks a lot of the material comforts that are common in other Chinese cities
For example? I don't need first world but how rough are we talking?
>>2905189
What about west/Kashgar? On paper I'd love to live in Xinjiang but this is a place I'd definitely visit first because I don't know if the administrative/security stuff would make living there hell over time.

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>>2905199
Kashgar is considered part of the south. I think it's very difficult to get work permits for Xinjiang, but I know of one westerner who worked teaching English there - name is Dr Luke, you can find him on xiaohongshu or youtube I think.

From my experience in Ningxia, stuff like occasional rubbish lying around, toilets with no doors as standard, unreliable roads, questionable hygiene in restaurants outside of malls. It's not super bad and I didn't mind it for a short trip, but living there for months and months might do your head in.

>>2905204
>toilets with no doors as standard
I've been in Vietnam so most of this was pretty normal but this one is weird.

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This pic is from a school trip in 1983. 20-odd students, a few teachers, 24 days, Nanjing, Guangzhou, Beijing, Hong Kong. I'm 16 here. Most of us were studying Chinese in Aus.

Has China changed a lot in the past decade? I was last there in 2014. Great trip. I'm imagining it's a bit richer and modern and less rough around the edges, at least in the cities. Are things still as cheap as they were back then?

>>2905287
I think its a bit more insulated because there has been a lot of self strengthening

>>2905232
shitters with no doors should be criminal

>>2905257
Sup unc

>>2905287
Yes things are still very cheap, in some cases (mostly consumer electronics) they are actually cheaper than 10 years ago. It's definitely richer but that doesn't change how people behave. The biggest change is everything moving online with QR codes and mini programs to replace almost all physical interactions like paying with cash, buying tickets from an office, filling out paper forms, etc. QR code payment is the biggest change, cash is basically nonexistent now.
There are less foreigners living there than before, and tourist numbers only hit pre-pandemic levels last year, there has been no noticeable trend towards internationalisation or improved services for foreign tourists. Cheaper hotels still reject foreigners and it can be really quite difficult to get a hang of the Chinese internet and app ecosystem.

>>2905306
>Sup unc
From the pic:
Guess the poof
Guess which chick copped cock
Guess who gave it to her
Guess which teacher busted them

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On May 6, 2011, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences published the "2011 China Urban Competitiveness Blue Book: China Urban Competitiveness Report". In it, the happiness survey sampled 294 cities across China, arriving at the conclusion that the residents of Shijiazhuang were the happiest. This result caused strong doubts from netizens.[46]

>>2905332
Middle teacher definitely busted. He looks like his hemorrhoid is flaring up

>>2905306
Extremely accurate. In addition if you have to do anything that doesnt come with an inscreen translation I swear they design their apps to break it. Meituan I have to vpn dance when I order groceries. Alipay is the best though.

>>2905257
Did you or any of the other guys get laid by a Chinese girl? Feel like back then white guys had a even more exotic flair for Chinese women.

>>2905338
>vpn dance
androidGODs stay winning with split tunnelling, lol
I knew some Americans who had iphones that were esim only, so between the vpn troubles and inability to install a physical Chinese sim card they just bought a second cheap phone to use Chinese apps on

In some ways I would argue China is less welcoming and hospitable to foreigners than 10 years ago. Work permit requirements are much stricter, 双减 has made getting into teaching a lot harder. Anyone not tech-savvy will have a very difficult time doing anything without someone teaching them first, when I took my parents around they had a pretty hard time, but eventually they figured out how to order a taxi by themselves which I was very proud of them for. Whereas 10 years ago you could get by with a phrasebook and some hand gestures, now tech literacy is essential.

>>2905350
Im an android user with astril, even using the smart feature it doesnt seem to work? I specifically kept android because of the tap to translate screen with Google. I could see what you mean, alipay has most of the essentials built in and it works for ordering trains etc. Though I swear they have to be Jewish with the fees trip.com charges for ticket fees but fuck trying to use that random string of numbers train app. The work visa stuff.. yeah it hurts if youre not skilled already, but that just drives up demand for those that are. Im getting a 40k rmb salary that 65% goes into savings

>>2905367
Try mullvad, split tunnelling works fine for me there. It's cheaper than assdrill too
123056 is shit but xiecheng 携程 is pretty good (although it doesn't have English) since it's the Chinese version of trip.com with no extra fees

>40k
I'm going to guess international school subject teacher. How many years of experience do you have?

>>2905367
Only 65%?

How good does my Mandarin need to be if I want to rizz up Chinois girls? Particularly in Shanghai and Chongqing

>>2905396
just be white and moderately attractive and you'll be fine

>>2905337
Back row 4th from right nailed middle row 2nd from right and got busted by back row 3rd from right. The woolly moof is dead centre with blonde hair
>>2905346
Nah, I was too young and naive back then

>>2905378
Taught in the usa 8 years, now going on my second year in China. In April of this year when vpns went to shit is when I switched to astrill from letsvpn that even after two months would refuse to work reliably for me.

>>2905396
Why would you want to talk to some Shanghai princess?

>>2905396
Does it matter? You're not going to git gud anyway

>>2905526
Lame attitude. Even a little bit of a foreign language goes a long way.

>>2905257
bottom right a cute

>>2905535
every girl giggles and laughs when I drop a greasy 他妈的, 傻逼, 小鸡鸡, or dllm

>>2905535
It really does. I lost my virginity to a Chinese girl who didn't really speak English when I was 18 and only about HSK 3-4. But it took me a while to get to that level so if you have a trip coming up in a month or two it's not very realistic

>>2905569
Girls are usually turned off by self-deprecation.

>>2905535
Kind of sort of. Yes practicing language is always an 'in' but you really don't need it to get girls in China, and there's this awkward middle ground where your Chinese is above zero/absolute beginner tier but isnt "good" where In my personal experience and observing others its actually more of a drag than just not speaking Chinese at all. But if you're serious about the language then of course actually becoming fluent can only be a positive

>>2905167
I've experienced more freedom in the People's Republic of China than I ever will in the USA.
>smoke cigarettes basically wherever you want, no one cares
>effectively no drinking age (very useful when I was younger)
>rent a motorcycle without a license, insurance, or any paperwork. "Just bring it back in a week my friend" High trust society
>people set up a food stall without paperwork, license or anything and no one cares. Eat at your own risk
>Would you like a handjob at the end of this massage? Sure thing Mr. Laowai! No one cares
>"Sorry this McDonald's doesn't serve black people. Yes we're allowed to say that" This might not happen that much anymore but still...
>"This is a lesbian bar for women only; no men allowed it. No trannies" Respect. I wish it was legal for American bars to do this.
I could go on. China is to 4chan what Japan is to reddit. Can you believe people pay hundreds to ride a fucking go-kart in Tokyo? Meanwhile I'm blasting through Henan on a motorbike for 20RMB/day. I fucking love China

>>2905732
>>people set up a food stall without paperwork, license or anything and no one cares. Eat at your own risk
城管 cares but the stall owners just drive away
they have been pretty much eradicated from central Shanghai and Beijing though :(

>>2905732
Everything you said is spot on but people are starting to catch on and Id rather they stay in their Jap containment zone so consider pretending it sucks in the future. Unfortunately gatekeeping may be needed where it never was before as perceptions are changing

>>2905741
Real G's stay away from Shanghai. Laduzi builds character

>>2905741
Why do cities do this? Even Hanoi is trying to chase everybody off the sidewalks and nobody is happy about it.

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>>2904340
How tight is a budget of 5000 Aussie dollarydoos for China? I'm thinking of going to HK to visit a friend, take the train to Shanghai and then to Beijing and from Beijing fly to London (surprisingly fucking cheap flights?).
I only put Shanghai there cause it seems like the "big apple" of the country and I'm curious enough to explore one of the great economic poles of the world, but I'd also be more than happy to ditch it for a cheaper, less famous city en route to Beijing. Xia'nan or Nanjing etc...

>>2905845
Shanghai seems gay desu. Never been there but zero interest. Rich hyper-modern tech hubs are slop for hylics.

>>2905835
It's so they get paid the taxes they're owed by the stall operators

>>2905845
>24,000 yuan
Not including your flights there and to London, it could probably last you over a month in China. 30 days would be easy, 40 a little difficult, 50 quite hard. If you are willing to stay in hostels it could last you as long as 60 or 70 days. Hong Kong is more expensive though so you will spend about double (or more) per day there what you would in China. Hotels in Shanghai and Beijing are a little more expensive than elsewhere (maybe 300-500y per night compared with 200-400 in other cities) but overall not that much more expensive.

>>2905846
It's a good city to live in but not super interesting for tourists. There are much better destinations in Suzhou Hangzhou and Nanjing right next door.

>>2905846
>>2905852
Should I check out Nanjing instead then? Ideally I'd go as far as fucking Xinjiang and Tibet if I had the time and money, but as a US dual citizen I'm probably not getting into Tibet anytime soon lmao.
Good to know it's affordable, I might stay at a friend's house in HK even so I could save up on that. If it's too expensive I'm also down to just go to Guangzhou instead, I mostly just wanna see the Middle Kingdom in some capacity now that a window of opportunity presented itself

>>2905857
Idk how much time you have but if you only have time for 2 cities then in my opinion the best choices would be Xi'an and Beijing
Otherwise yeah definitely give Nanjing a shot and Hangzhou and Suzhou are both worth a visit too

>>2904617
as an average white man where can i bang the hottest chink women for the least cash with no condom?
Asking for a friend...

>>2904914
>>2904950
do an 'average white bloke gets to bang hot chink women' travel list.

>>2905871
>Gets to bang
Everywhere
>Hot
Matter of personal taste. Doesn't help that every city claims their women are the most beautiful in the country

>>2905845
The train tickets will be somewhat expensiveish, but the hotels you can easily find $90 aud a night for a good size and clean room. Hong kong hotel prices are much higher than China. Shanghai is the most expensive city in China but it's still good.

>>2905845
>>2905887
Actually he should fly to Shanghai, flights from HK are only 2.5 hours and 600-700 yuan at the cheap end whereas trains are at least 7 hours and a few hundred yuan more expensive.
Shanghai-Beijing flights are pretty much the same price as train tickets though

>>2905871
Doable everywhere but comical levels of ease are to be found in southern China specifically Guangdong, Hunan, Yunnan. Id imagine Guangxi but no experience

>>2905886
>matter of personal taste
vanilla:
maximize : tall, white, tits & ass
minimize : fat, waist, legs, age

minor bonus points: more caucasian looking

Never been to China, I'd imagine the taller whiter (porcelain skin) ones are in the North somewhere. I've seen them occasionally in Pattaya + Bangkok and they act like they are the prizes of the city; but I hope there is a province in China with million of them.

>>2905886
>>2905933
I like how u don't mention sexpatting until asked, then its treated as rote as anything else. But until asked you'll chat about mostly food and misc comfort like the most generic travel plebs on Earth.

>>2905983
>legs
oops i don't mean short stumpy legs, i mean minimize fat on legs, but that was redundant because I'd already mentioned minimize fat.

>>2905985
I love big legs and Asia needs more of them

>>2905860
I reckon I could do 18-20 days in China, got 3 friends in Hong Kong I wanna see as well so I really want to have that on my list.

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Alright you perverts, I'll join you, how does one actually get laid in China anyhow? You go to a club and then what? If you don't speak the language I can't even imagine how you'd go about doing this kind of stuff

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This general is blowing up lately

>>2906045
there are lots videos of mongers on youtube wandering back alleys where whores loiter in doorways.
Chinese cities are colossal so these whore areas might still be hard to chance wander into, though I like the idea of just trying to wander the maze finding the not-so-hidden treasure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMlTuYsbJWA

>>2904490
梅菜扣肉
it's a regional thing that may or may not be that easy to find outside of the regions it is from,
but if you're in Guangdong then you'll probably find it by accident in a less upscale establishment.

>>2905983
Hebei, Jilin, Heilongjiang, maybe Shandong but they are a little browner
I don't mention sexpatting because it's uncouth

>>2906036
Yeah you'll be fine on that budget then, you could even go and do a bit of shopping

>>2906119
They're called 市中村, remnants of old villages like 燕村 in Beijing
Usually they are residential areas with no public transport links

>>2906130
I have the opposite of that other guy's taste. Where are the brownest goblinas?

>>2906146
Closer to equator = browner
Farther from equator = whiter
Applies to most countries in the world

>>2906130
>Hebei, Jilin, Heilongjiang
Ok that makes sense. I also wonder if there's a lot of flow of women from these areas to the more cosmopolitan international cities such as ShangHai and Shenzhen, though even so and these women are more ok with going with foreigners, they'll be more inclinded to up their rates to 'international', so its probably better for mongers seeking tall porcelain chinks to go to the regions of their origin.

Also I wonder about Changchun and Shenyang.

>>2906153
>wonder if there's a lot of flow of women from these areas to the more cosmopolitan international cities such as ShangHai and Shenzhen
Yeah the northeast is an economically depressed post-industrial rust belt and that's why it has SOVL but there's a heavy brain drain. The ones who are still there will be more chill though, while the ones who go to the tier 1 hubs will likely turn into spoiled cunts. I won't tell you what you should and shouldn't prefer but I know what I do and don't prefer.

>>2906146
Cambodia

>>2906119
Awh man fuck that shit, I don't use prostitutes as a matter of principle. I wanna hook up with girls who wanna fuck cause they're horny and found me attractive enough, not cause they need to pay rent

I'm going to stay a year in china due to work, is it a bad idea to purchase a phone there? Will it get bricked when I leave China since it's the domestic version and not the global one?

>>2906146
Guangxi

>>2906153
mostly men actually, because they are more willing to move for work and can't rely on husbands or marriage price for support
This has led to Heilongjiang and Jilin having a majority of women (something like 105:100 ratio)
Some women move to big cities but from those provinces they mostly go to the provincial capital or Beijing

>>2906227
You can change the OS and remove the restrictions on western apps but it takes some /g/ knowledge
It won't get bricked but it won't be very useful either

>>2906180
great if you're good looking enough. I'm old and ugly enough that most prozzis refuse. I've been going to pattaya for 11 years, and at the start it was pretty good, but now my prozzi hookup rate dropped below 10%. Rejection is something we all have to take on a chin as a common part of life, but sub 10% for the high prices in pattaya broke the 11 year deal. Now I'm looking for places I can maybe score exotic points, i.e. where sub5 white males are rare. If that's still not enough I'll have to make do with a sex doll.

>>2906238
Would iphones be less locked since they are all ios?

>>2906308
Yes but it's not any cheaper to buy an iPhone in China than the west

>>2906045
Seconding this. Doesn't even have to be about getting laid, but what are some good ways to meet locals? Like, does going to a random bar for a drink work or will I end up spilling by spaghetti alone at the counter?

>>2906345
In my experience, most bars in China are just set up for groups of friends to go there and sit at a table together. There's not really any opportunities to meet random people. Some bars advertise 拼桌 but this is usually a scam.
Same at clubs, people just dance in groups or sit in booths and don't interact with anyone else
I've had the most success making friends with people from hostels or just going and talking to random people. However, in general Chinese people have a quite different attitude to "meeting people" than westerners do, they strongly prefer to just enlarge their social circles through friends of friends or friends of family and don't try to make friends with random people they have absolutely no connection with.

>>2906119
>back alleys where whores loiter in doorways.

>>2906130
>They're called 市中村,

out of curiousity and these women indies with their own rented/own rooms, or are they all owned by pimps+police?
I would guess that latter. Indies tend to have more fierce attitudes, pimped women tend to be more demure.

>>2906356
Sorry *城中村 not 市中村. In English they're called urban villages

I think mostly pimped in these areas (or part of a women's collective), the ones that go out to hotels are more likely to be independent
However both of these are quite risky so the most common way of buying is in a 商K

>>2906357
why are they risky? If i go to them with only the money i expect to pay, and nothing else, what can go wrong?
I guess
a) they agree to sex, take money, then refuse sex ( common prozzi theft )
b) they threaten to / do phone police/pimps saying u assaulted them

right?

>>2906363
>商K
brothel?

>>2906363
The risk is police raids, very common in these areas. If you want to pay for sex go to Thailand or somewhere with a legal and regulated industry. China is not a good destination

>>2906364
Karaoke bar that lets you pay for women to sing and drink with you (legal) and sometimes do more if you pay them

>>2906343
I see, thanks. I imagined the price would be about the same but I guess it's worth if I plan on using it afterwards without having to unlock the bootloader and all.

Two words
Massage App
You literally pick a girl you like the look of and she comes to your place, gives you a massage and then 9 times out of 10 asks if you want to do anything else.

>>2906367
...sounds like the people who own these karaoke bars have enough money to pay-off the police, while the 城中村 don't so the police have to skim profits with raids.

>>2906408
All prostitution venues, including outcall to hotels, in China get raided regardless of type, it really just depends on whether the city is running a clean up operation which is not going to be a 24/7/365 kind of thing. You have to be pretty unlucky with your timing but the consequence is moderate-severe and the price is high anyway so China is not really the destination for this unless you really want it and really dont care about getting kicked out

>>2906416
huh, well u have nearly dissuaded me. Do i just hit chink-tinder and try get freebies then?

>>2906420
Freebies are on tap yes so no reason not to

First time going to China here, can I purchase a sim at the airport (PEK) so I can have mobile internet? My phone doesn't support esim. And will it work with vpns?
I already set up alipay and wechat with a wise card but I'm also bringing some cash just in case (500 rmb).

>>2906400
How much

>>2906559
Yes, you can buy travel SIMs from the landside arrivals hall, it will be about 10 rmb per day, and VPNs work fine with them

Friends coming from HK to party in shenzhen for their birthday. I will die tonight

>>2906416
i would think tact and astuteness would considerably reduce the risk. Police like some assurance their raids are successful, therefore its useful to them that coomers lapse into routine e.g. going to see the same prozzi at the same venue at the same night and time of the week. So spread yourself wide.
Secondly, there's usually subtle signs in the minutes before a raid. e.g. less locals because they've heard rumours and tipp-offs that a raid is happening. People's faces generally look more hawkish when there danger of accusations and arrests.
Finally, just being aware of cops and plain-clothed cops around. Though I expect this is hard for new foreigners since the word is foreigners get starred at wherever they go.

anything else? Anyone here considering themselves savy with 城中村 game?

>>2906677
coomers routine doesnt play into it at all. either they're running an op or theyre not and if they are then they show up and grab whoevers around. if you're doing hotel outcall and they want to bust you its a matter of mere decision to act on the omnipotent surveillance they were already doing. the only tip off you can really get is if you know what places around you offer services and all of a sudden one day they are all closed during business hours. whichever few shops remain open in that case you can be pretty sure are taking a lot of risk

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There is something about China that makes it feel special. There is great difficulty in navigating the nation, especially in the non major cities. But when you break the surface level you are warmly welcomed. In the next 2 years that will be gone but for now, the best time to travel there is now. Just go and enjoy it anons. I will be loving the north east of the country in winter, very eager to see that.

>>2906357
>i think
this thread is valueless. it's just some dorks who read things on the internet and repeat them. you aren't living life and giving experiences and information. you're just repeating internet posts you have read like they are an authority.

>>2906693
how the fuk can they tell the difference between an outcall prozzi and an outcall freebie?

>>2906695
Chinese translatorsleeve is the golden way to experience but at the same time then you cant experience so much of a rush meeting random people because you always have to coddle an antisocial translator. I dunno, I have been with enough translators they always are shy and standoffish

>>2906704
The wechat transfer, duh

>>2906704
Are you really so retarded that you really can't game out how they'd know the girl you 1) paid for in cash or electronic transfer 2) dont know the name of 3) almost certainly arranged to meet via wechat

isn't your gf (or even tinder date)?

>>2906706
dam, there is no private chat? Every ptp chat message sent also gets sent to the police? Or do they just demand to see it? If the latter then if both u and prozzi delete the chat then you're safe.

>>2906707
>cash
do they glue-vapour the notes to find coomer prints on them? Use a glove, or just a tissue, or sleeve to handle the notes.
Or do they DNA them?
Sounds bs to me, this is 'catch a murderer' level forensics.

>>2906708
I presume the police can just query for your message data since its stored in china. Though a tip, dont ever have your unlock be a fingerprint or face unlock because those can be forced open by the police. You can protect your security some if arrested by having it pattern or code unlocked and just go "i forgot the code"

>>2906708
it doesn't get "sent to the police" per se but its totally monitor-able and Tenecent will give them the chat logs if they request it. If you're caught you won't be given the opportunity to delete your chats and it wouldn't help anyway.

>>2906709
Yes ok, use a glove to handle the notes over the entire lifecycle that you possess them. That will surely save you from all the other electronic surveillance, cctv, other circumstantial etc evidence

>>2906709
They are known to take all the cum stained tissues out of the trashcan at handjob parlors for DNA testing to prove guilt so its really not as far fetched as you're forcing it to be

> all the other electronic surveillance, cctv,
so they've installed cctv around the 城中村.

>>2906717
Duh? There's not a 10 sqft cctv blind spot in all of urban China

>>2906705
Just use Google translate it's really not that hard

>>2906719
man that sux. Anonymity was a god given right for so long, now its a luxury. But this means the police are skimming the 城中村 otherwise they would arrest all the women as soon as they loitered even once in a doorway, then bolt shutdown the room; that means they want the whore business to thrive so they can skim more.
It's left to every coomer to have a fast escape / evade plan when the skimmers come.

btw there isn't much in the ISG about getting busted. How u explain that?

>>2906726
Which thread are you looking at? Most of the T2 and lower city threads have been dead for years and the T1 threads are just talking about the same Vietnamese freelancer bars ad infinitum since COVID. Those bars are basically safe they are more or less unofficially condoned so long as you're a foreigner. But there's no locals in them.

The extremely limited discussion of local SPAs in the Shanghai thread, at least for the last several years, is more mentions of raids and shutdowns than it is of field reports.

>>2906727
i was reading the Shanghai thread; but i didn't see any raids.
Well, really I hope you are right, because if the chinese police really have suppressed prostitution to the degree you are suggesting then loose women will have little option other than freebies. I've red stories of men with 100 women on free rotation, though that was in Bangkok; also met a few who have a lot on rotation. Perhaps that's possible in China for white men. I am curious to find out.

>>2906729
To be clear prostitution is not remotely suppressed in China and is extremely prevalent, it's just expensive and risky relative to neighboring countries as well as harder to find anything worthwhile as a foreigner. Meanwhile it's a very easy country to pick up normal girls in with zero risk. Thus my original advice being don't do it unless you're a compulsive monger comfortable running the risk of being kicked out of China

>>2906730
>expensive
thanks for the steady drip of info, though u should know u are being rather coy or wooden in your responses. You should have figured the source of my curiosity is the rash of youtube vids that have appeared on youtube recently apparenty of 150-200rmb hookers in small private rooms in 城中村.
such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cc5HjA4nk
they are apparently coming from all over China.

Given that you say prostitution is expensive and given 150-200rmb is only $25 a /trv/ ISG China expert like you should have pre-empted any one of my posts and explained these vids which appear contrary to what you are saying, at least in the 'expense' part. Are they just selling foot massages for $25? The comment section suggest these 'journalists' are asking for FBBS and getting it a decent % of the time.
Explain plz.

>>2906736
Expensive Im talking about outcall, KTVs, or SPAs which are generally several thousand RMB a pop, though in low tier cities can be more like 800-1000. Yes you can go to chengzhongcun for cheap and FS is guaranteed but note there is zero service, you are in and out of very, VERY dingy surroundings in <5min. If that's your thing and comfortably with the risk, go for it. You are WELCOME btw, I think Im being quite helpful and inevitable ban coming

>>2906738
thks bro, i appreciate it, maybe see you there in a few months, and get u a beer or a hooker in return u save my ass from the usual pitfalls of being a noob in a new country. i am a solid trustworthy friend if u need one.

>>2906738
this is my small, rather inactive private geomax group of friends if u want to join. Not doing much now, since I'm in the west collecting shekels for a few months. But will be active hopefully by winter.
https://discord.gg/v3J3WvBZU

Anyone been to China during October Golden Week? How bad is it on a scale 1 - 10? Are there any positive aspects (festive athmosphere and the like)?

>>2906777
I went to Luoyang in golden week, some places like public squares are a bit more interesting because of the crowds, but on the other hand all forms of transportation are 5x worse and most attractions are significantly worse if you can even get tickets. Places like museums are only prevented from being crowd crushes by ticket quotas (btw you will have to stay up until midnight on the night tickets release to get any)
It's the second worst time in the year to travel in China (absolute worst being Chinese new year, because transportation is even worse and everything is closed)

>>2906777
Zero upsides. There's nothing uniquely festive about it and it's massively, massively crowded

>>2906738
>very, VERY dingy surroundings
couldn't care less.

>in <5min
I can nut in sub60 seconds. The women are actually quoting 10 mins, which is more than enough time to draw out the experience if wanted.

>>2906794
>>very, VERY dingy surroundings
>couldn't care less.
I'll go a step further and say I actively enjoy this.

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any recommendations for 24 hour spas in shanghai?
I want to spend the better part of the day relaxing in one to recuperate after a couple weeks of travelmaxxing.
Which ones actually have good lounge space and amenities without everything being occupied by hordes of people?

>>2906710
If you lock it with a password, police will just arrest and beat you until you give them a password. It's not Norway or something where police will say "sorry for the inconvenience, sir. You have freedom." It's fucking China.

>>2906843
you're thinking of Texas, middle and south America, Africa, or Thailand. Read the books, stories of chink police, jail, and prison they are relatively mild.

>>2906823
just search on meituan or dianping for spas near your hotel with good reviews (above 4.3) and check the recent reviews. The experience will be 95% the same as the "best" spas, and will be much less crowded. If you go out of your way to go to the "best" internet famous spa then it will be super crowded.
Everything in China is like this. If you want to eat the local food just find a good restaurant near where you are, don't go on a half hour taxi ride to some amazing 网红 spot because there will probably be an hour long queue and you will leave sorely disappointed.

>>2906843
They can access the entire contents of your wechat without even unlocking your phone btw, it's not private at all and also has auto-censorship.

>>2906843
I have lots of ladyboy nudes on my phone. How likely are Chinese police to search my shit and what would they do if they saw these?

>>2906820
yes, seeing women living in a shithole environment is an assurance to coomers they are desperate for cash.
Compare this to Thailand: pattaya used to be a stinking shithole, a veneer of tourist hotels over a 3rd world slum, but its rapidly gotyrn tidier, less smelly, and more posh and modern. Just the way of the world: For millenia coomers and simps have driven progress and built cities all over the world by handing over cash to whores.

Seeing women around massive luxury skyscraper hotels & hypercars in immaculate modern cities just means its a $million a pop, and is a turn-off.

>>2906884
The squalor and desperation get my dick hard.

>>2906843
People who have never been to china should never post.

>>2906882
Doesn't happen. My problem is having to use phone all the time and then opening gallery to send something and if I am not paying attention I got a woman's nudes in my first photos etc or someone looks at my wechat and its 10+ women in my recent contact (and im giving exactly zero of them dick because they go radio silent whenever I have free time)

>flights from the mainland to Taiwan
500-600 yuan
>Flights from Taiwan to the mainland
1000+ yuan

Why?

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>checking my china to thailand flight that is in 4 weeks for the seat map situation
>only 16 seats filled out of 190
>check the same flight 2 days from now
>only 20 seats filled
am I going to fly a almost empty cabin

>>2907090
Is it on the 6th/7th/8th of October? That's the end of a public holiday so almost nobody leaves China on those days

>>2907094
Nah around September 23rd I meant. Perhaps it's just a little too soon for people to travel for the holidays?

>>2907095
Most people take their holidays in July-August (Chinese school holidays) and when big public holidays come around like national day which is 1-7th of October
So yeah I expect nobody is really travelling then
Plus most people get very few days of discretionary holiday per year (oftentimes only one per year worked) so they mostly travel during public holidays

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>>2907099
excellent news then, thank for chinese labor laws

be honest how many % of you are there because of easy pussy

>>2907124
There's easy pussy everywhere on earth. I've never been to Afghanistan but I bet I could get pussy there in a matter of days.

>>2907157
>There's easy pussy everywhere on earth. I've never been to Afghanistan but I bet I could get pussy there in a matter of days.
I fucked an Afghan girl when I was in Korea. She was on a refugee visa and doing her master's there. She looked Italian or something
>>2907124
It's easier to fuck chink girls outside of chinkland in my experience. you can fuck them in china but whats the point, they'll just abort your baby frame 1 because the kid will practically be stateless and have no rights unless you marry her and fuck all that shit.

>>2907124
yes i'm going next year for the vag. I've been going to thailand for 11 years and i've reached my limit wrt the endless price hikes. It was £65 = $88 minimum on soi6 this year just for the average looking whores. When i first went in 2016 it was £20. Price hikes aren't stopping as the market folds and eats itself; every part of the money chain trying to recoup losses from lack of customer by hiking prices even further, further strangling the market and sending it abroad. Thailand's only chance to regain the coomer market is a major financial crash leaving millions without homes like 1997AD crash, and its actually poised for it with absurd levels of unpayable private debt. Coom times in thailand will return, but China will do while we wait.

>>2907172
in west china roasties were trying to sell themselves to me for $30. I'm young looking and white. I'm not into that scene but it's potentially a goldmine over there. they probably look better than thai whores too

>>2907184
whats your secret friendo. chinese foids used to be easiest on planet earth 10 years ago, but I can barely get hookups anymore and half of the women on the apps accuse me of catfishing them to kidnap them

>>2907191
everywhere I go I only approach in person. internet people dont have sex. they just stay on the internet all day and chat garbage. the idea of online hookups was a fad that was absurd on its face. how can you decide to hook up with someone without even smelling them first.

covid created a generation of autistic eternally online timewasters who want to do gay socially distanced internet relationships for life instead of meeting in person and having sex, if you skip apps you largely avoid these people

it's too stressful going for hookups and prozzers. At the end of the day every laowai settles down and gets themselves a comfortably mid gf

>>2907195
good point. duly noted.

I have done direct approach but it was never my strong suit because I am facially decently below average. I got some success through pure balls but I think I am running into my limit due to aging out.

you are probably pretty decent facially. what percentage of cold approaches would you say bears fruit for you. It never worked well for me in china, the girls are too money hungry overall

>>2907169
>because the kid will practically be stateless and have no rights unless you marry her and fuck all that shit.
wtf are you talking about

>>2907191
he's probably under 40yo with hair and decent height decent face and decent money.

>>2907197
i'm 47yo and average looking. I'm resolved to make one last big effort to look good/above average: trying to get my six-pack abs back. My body is ok, just the typical middle age spread. Not gonna use 'roids, i don't like the fat neck, swollen face, swollen muscles look; i prefer the lean and mean look that comes with natty aerobic exericse.
Have u seen 40yo 'based durian rider' in /gif/ doing amaueter pron with his teen SEAhole? He's my role model. Looks older than me cos he's been a vegantard for a years. If he can get free-laid with a half decent slant eyed teen foid, so can i.

>>2907306
Durian rider is 48 or 49 now he lies about his age for a long time.
He's also not getting 'free laid', he's bankrolling that dumb whore and spending lots of time managing her social media shit.
He's also got a small, soft cock that can't get hard all the way anymore, I'm assuming because of all the weird shit he puts in his body and vegan diet.

Do you REALLY want to be just like him, with a cock that cannot get hard for cardio bunny 18 year old chinese fuckmeat? Is that REALLY what you want?

>>2907306
>47yo
it's time for wife and kids

>>2907308
i mean he's my role model in his fitness regime / acheivement. 6 pack abs in your 40s without roids is a rare achievement. I don't want his beard.
I didn't know about the cock, too bad for him, but i don't have those problems myself.
The bankrolling of his lt whore was expected by any sensible appraisal, so yes i was fooling myself that he was getting it free, but then role models are often fictional idealizations of real people.

>>2907315
yes, but I haven't bothered working hard enough. Most of my school friends have paid off their mortgages on large family houses now, and have 2 cars and 4 holidays a year. Meanwhile I live in my parents shed. My most vauable asset is my Ryzen laptop. Played way too much vidya in life, so all i can aspire to uptil now is fucking slant eyed whores. If freebies are available to me in China next year then that would be a large upgrade in my life and self esteem.

>>2905177
>I am but a mere frail whiteboy and the humidity in the south during the summer is a mortal threat to me.
>I will be working in Shanghai for the next two years, so maybe I will end up liking it a bit more.
You probably won't love it but you'll get used to it. No big deal.

Are there any significant advantages or benefits for having an A-class work visa compared to a B-class visa?

>>2906882
How prevalent are ladyboys in china?
Any pics of them? I saw a couple ladyboys with mandarin in their profile I guess they were from china but they looked heavy on the face filters.

>>2907532
I dunno, my pics aren't from China and I haven't been yet. Wondering the same thing as you.

>>2907532
wtf? If u want ladyboys go to Thailand.
If u are hetrosexual then u don't need to ask.
If you are homo-curious but u don't want to admit it and are worried that u might inadvertently enjoy an encounter with a ladyboy then keep asking details about it on the internet as u do your best to avoid them.

>>2907539
>If u want ladyboys go to Thailand
I'm in Thailand.
>worried that u might inadvertently enjoy an encounter with a ladyboy
?? I'm not worried. I know I want to be around them.
>keep asking details about it on the internet as u do your best to avoid them.
I don't even understand this. Are you implying I'm avoiding them? You don't even know me nor what I'm doing and I've met up with a few just in the last couple weeks at my current location.

>>2907539
Absolutely mindbroken.

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>>2907539
Last night after your post I got a like from an LB with some china in her.
>pic rel
I took it as an omen.

He's arriving in about an hour and going to be my cute girl

Can we stop talking about lady boys and prostitutes this thread is turning into /thg/ 2.0 and scaring off the normal people

>>2907732
Normal people like ladyboys and prostitutes. You're the weird one if you don't.

>>2907732
If discussion of prostitutes 'scares' you, you have some growing up to do. However I agree ladyboy fags should gtfo as its nonexistent and totally irrelevant in a China thread. Unironically 'stay in your containment'

>>2907723
>book appointment two hours in advance
>shows up almost an hour late
>dressed like a slob
>also red eyes, said he was drinking with his friend
>tell him to just leave
>bitch fit ensues
>I'll expose you to the group
>I'll call the police
>security wants me to pay the bitch some money just to make it end

And of course, also, he wasn't as cute as the photo because of a bit of face filter and even had a little mustache stubble.

What a fucking evening.

>>2907741
>>2907741
Your worship and addiction of diseased whores elicits disgust. Keep it to yourself creep

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>>2907741
>its nonexistent and totally irrelevant in a China thread
Except they're Chinese and that's totally relevant to china threads.

>china bb 1

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>china bb2

>>2907745
>worship and addiction of... blah blah *cries*
Not him but your post is quite the exaggeration

>>2907752
>>2907753
Ethnic Chinese in Thailand are not relevant to the China General travel thread, no, sorry

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>>2907758
>1700 miles away from Thailand is in Thailand

Cry more bitch nigga.
Here's china bb 3 who's back in china.

>claims it's nonexistent
>I provide proof it's not
Ladyboys are everywhere and cannot and will not be stopped.

The future is ladyboy.

>>2907763
Oh I didnt realize you were already in Thailand, my bad. But the point stands that ladyboys are simply not relevant in China like they are in SEA and should not be discussed in this thread. The existence of troons on whatever bugchaser app that is doesn't make them common or relevant to the country

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IT'S HAPPENING
China is starting to get the treatment Japan got now that most people have already been and moving on to the next thing. I thought we were safe but this is sad.
Can we talk about how Google translate is ruining countries. What happened to the oh so communist, no outside world services and media at all. Big Google works fine over there.

I was surprised to hear some dumb Venezuelan woman at work has been and was shocked, confused about how she'd even begin to get around since it's not in the category of easy holiday destinations. She said she just communicated through translation every time, and I've started hearing this often

>>2907765
Yes I've noticed this. I used to not gatekeep China when living there because we got so few visitors and you just couldn't convince nearly anyone to go so it was impossible to dilute your own experience, but in the last year or so its taken a big step in the Japan direction so I am more willing to let the State Dept disinfo shills (>>2905105) run rampant telling people not to go

>>2907765
it's never going to be the next Japan, China is too much of a shithole for that and it's an adversary of America, many Americans think twice of visiting their enemy

>>2907766
Yep, I'm starting to love those evil china, spy on you, be put in prison for not carrying a photo of Lijing in your wallet, poison you, get your organs taken videos. Hopefully it'll work to keep the numbers below a certain level. I was there in may and regularly heard annoying London voices in my ears while walking around most days. Bleek

>>2907767
The world isn't America mate, I'm from the UK

>>2907771
>The world isn't America mate, I'm from the UK
same applies for other NATO/west aligned countries

Maybe I can become a YouTuber who makes popular fear mongering content. I'll get rich and keep MY secret place all for me. And it can even fund my trips so I can go there often and have the time to ask well. Win win all around!

>>2907772
Really?

>>2907752
>>2907753
>>2907763
you fuck trannies we get it

>>2907772
Not really, anglos and euros are far, far less parochial about China/foreign nations generally

>>2907764
This thread can't survive without discussions about ladyboys.

>>2907765
Translation and language barrier was never the main obstacle stopping people from going to China, it was the visas, ever since most of the world got visa-free access so many more people have been willing to visit.
However, I find your doomerposting exaggerated. Tourist statistics have only just passed 2019 levels this year, the main difference is now it's more young people visiting independently not all boomers on organised tours like it was pre-pandemic. China is definitely still a less popular destination but all the social media hypemongering is paying off. And the tourist resurgence is very much limited to the big cities (Beijing, Shanghai+surroundings, Chongqing, Chengdu, Guangzhou+Shenzhen), even in Yunnan there aren't that many foreign tourists.

>>2907771
Where were you? Beijing?

>>2907745
>tfw u will never know the joy of emptying your sac inside a diseased whore

>creep
hole detected. tits or gtfo

>>2907783
Well that makes me feel better. I wasn't really exaggerating, it's just that somewhere with so little tourism is affected by a smaller surplus. Even still few it felt relatively and significantly more. Maybe I just got unlucky. I was in Lijiang.

Also you can't count everyone as equal. Some old grey haired woman who always wanted to see china after seeing little girls dancing in dazzling red and gold outfits with white make up on is a benign tourist. They go and then come back with ornaments for their friends and tell their kids now great the wall was. They become unpaid tourism board member documenting and publicising the travel experience online better than anyone on the clock at a desk would care to, and they don't set trends. They also aren't annoying to come across because they actual care about the cultural experience. One Jordan wearing 20 year old slag equals 150 decrepit bints

>>2907790
opie is that you?

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>>2907791
>Lijiang
oh yeah Lijiang and Dali are pretty popular, for me if I see a Russian / Arab / Indian it instantly ruins the experience, but you don't get too much of the two latter outside big cities. Can't say the same for the former, they are fucking everywhere.
The thing is China is so big that you can just go a little off the beaten track and there will be zero foreign tourists. For example I went to Mangshi, Ruili, and Tengchong in Yunnan this year and didn't see a single other foreigner. and they were every bit as fun and interesting as Dali or Lijiang

China is still a long way away from Japan level where tourists (particularly Indians) have saturated every last inch of the country and half the reviews for restaurants are in English even in backwaters like Tottori

>>2907796
>if I see a Russian / Arab / Indian it instantly ruins the experience
This is pathetic.

>>2907797
I come to China to escape the hordes of third worlders invading my own country I should not have to put up with them here as well

>>2907796
I don't mind seeing Russians as much because with neither westerners nor world pests. I'd love to explore more like you, but I'd need a car to get get deep into the wilderness. One day though. I can imagine how magical it is

>>2907798
Exactly. If you can't understand that you're not really sentient

>>2907798
So if you see one then OWARI DA? That's just mindbroken, bro. Get a grip.

>>2907802
You don't need a car, I didn't have one in Mangshi or Ruili. To travel between cities you can use trains or 顺风车 which is like a long distance shared taxi, price is based on distance and not very expensive. To travel in cities or to nearby towns you can rent an electric moped from a shop, usually only like 40-50 yuan per day. You can swap the battery for a fresh one at any of the shops (if it's a chain) or charge it at one of those box vending machine things on the street.
I don't like Russians because they are usually cheap, loud, and fat. They are like Americans but poorer

>>2907804
I was exaggerating it doesn't ruin everything it's just like a persistent annoyance (which turns into a big annoyance if they try to talk to me)

>>2907810
I was too scared to rely on public transport in China, anything can happen. Only high speed rail for day trips like Lijiang to Dali. The train home was around 17.00 so there was enough time for a back up plan if needed. I think they're reliable too. and renting sounds like a liability.

Any nice experiences to tell? Or even anything crazy, erotic, weird

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>>2907812
Public transport in China is not that bad, normal speed trains are pretty reliable and usually not late by more than a few minutes. You'll only rush yourself on day trips and not have enough time to see what you want or relax, imo it's better to stay a night or two unless you really can't. Renting a scooter imo is the best way to see a small city if you're solo or with another person, otherwise you are taking taxis (expensive) or the bus (slow). Not all cities have meituan share bikes.

>Nice experiences
Breakfast in an alleyway restaurant full of illegal Burmese labourers, getting hammered on Myanmar beer, hot springs in Tengchong, really good coffee (big plantations in Mangshi), visiting loads of Thai Buddhist temples

>Crazy
Burmese aunties shouting at me trying to sell me cigarettes through the border fence, being surrounded by a crowd of Burmese schoolchildren on a trip from Mandalay who had never seen a white person before

>Erotic
Gf was on the rag and didn't let me fuck her in the hot spring (even though it was a private room) so not really

>Weird
Kitschy little museum in Wanding town near Ruili which had a notable collection of American military jeeps, classic cars, coins, and ww2 memorabilia

>>2907798
understandable. Enjoy it while it lasts. China will probably get the shitskin invasion last; though that said most other places have already been shitted, so the trafficking of millions of niggers into China might start sooner than u'd think, i.e. before 2040AD.

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>>2907819
Wow you know how to live life, sounds like a real good time. The bus situation with the kinds must've been hilarious, I'd be messing with them for a laugh.
You're right, day trips are rushed and not as enjoyable. As for transport I know the main trains are good, and I'm referring to the return. A little bus or relying on a getting some kind of ride share when you're in a village in the evening is a scary thought.
The scooters could be a good idea though, you've sold it to me. I don't like anything electric though, are real mopeds still economical? Also how are the police with helmet wearing? And lastly do I need a license?

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>>2907832
Ride share is usually fine I only had one bad experience where the driver didn't take an exit on the motorway and had to drive an extra HOUR to turn around
Every other trip was incident-free

You need a license for real/petrol mopeds and scooters, not electric, so nowhere rents real mopeds anymore to the best of my knowledge. But an e-scooter is treated like a bike, you don't need any sort of license and even kids can drive them. Helmet wearing strictness depends on region but it's best to have one on if you go past police. At worst they'll just tell you to put one on and give you a small fine if you're on an e-scooter. But if you're on a petrol moped or motorbike then it's treated as a proper traffic violation and will deduct points from your license afaik. They enforce traffic laws much more strictly on motorbikes.

Picrel from Tengchong

>>2907838
That is insane, how did you know he even missed the exit? If I was the driver I'd keep quiet haha. You must've been mad, that's not just 20 minutes extra. What did the other passenger say?
When I was in Kyrgyzstan the driver came across some hitchhikers in a town in the middle of nowhere and picked them up. When I fell asleep he drove them about 5 miles in the opposite direction. When I woke up we weren't even back at where I fell asleep at yet. That was annoying as hell because the journey was already taking forever and ever.
By the way I do trust them I was just saying it's not a guarantee I'll find one to take me back. But never mind

>>2907841
In the app it shows you the route they should be following, I was checking it and it showed having to do a u turn, so I looked back on the map and figured out he must have missed the exit lol
I was kinda annoyed and didn't want to pay the motorway toll because of the wasted time and had a little argument with him but my gf made me pay it
I should have made him pay and add it as an additional expense in the app then report him to support... They probably would have refunded me. But I'm not that vindictive

Very few people in China pick up hitchhikers anymore because these apps let them do the same thing and get paid for it
It's best to book in advance with them rather than on the go, you can usually find one that way

>>2907845
That's funny. You're mandarin is good to be having an argument with him haha. I hope mine gets there one day.
Shame about the hitchhiking situation. Technology ruins everything social

Is it true that many Chinese bars and clubs barely check ages and there will be plenty of underage teenagers in them?

I’m not a pedo, I want to know if I need to see the ID of chicks I meet when I go out.

>>2907895
>checking the ID of chicks to make sure they are 16yo or under
At least you're being honest

>>2907742
Just how retarded are you anon

>>2907895
There's not a single bar or club in Mainland China that checks people's IDs for age. That being said its not really that common for underage and b& to be there anyway

Despite this thread's fearmongering I don't think tourism in china ever reach japan's level because most people won't bother with setting up alipay+wechat and getting a vpn (or esim). Sure you'll have indians and arabs there because they are willing to work in slave conditions but China also has a massive population so I doubt the government will ever look into opening immigration for them.

>>2907903
>chance the wrong person via 4chan omen
>didn't video call beforehand
Were probably my only real mistakes.
I first refused to give him any money for coming out and that's what led to the meltdown. Not my mistake though it's entirely his shitty behavior and didn't deserve any money and then blowing up with threats and having a melty with security.

Probably was getting stretched out by Vlad and drinking with him and then shuffles off to my place. Unpleasant.

>>2907895
Although not a single bar nor the police cares about underage drinking, there are very few underage in bars, because it's too difficult to hide from their parents. Much more common to see school kids in uniform vaping or smoking compared to drinking

>>2907917
Opening immigration to third worlders would probably make the people try to overthrow the CCP

>>2907917
>alipay
what's wrong with cash? No atms? atms vandalized? If phone-money is the thing, why not crypto?

>>2907964
nobody uses cash there anymore, I think that if you wanted to pay with cash they'd be forced to accept it (maybe not everywhere) but in most places they would not be happy about it, doing a cash-only vacation in China would probably be a pain in the ass. It might be just a way for the government to track all transactions, but I must say that alipay is very convenient, it's just annoying having to set it up before your trip

>>2907964
Using cash is really inconvenient in China, even more so than in the west. Individual vendors and stalls will never take cash, vending machines usually won't either, people rarely have change, and counterfeiting is still a genuine problem.
ATMs are common
China is a strictly authoritarian country not a libertarian paradise of course they're not going to allow crypto lmao

>>2907965
Some old people only use cash
Another disadvantage of only using cash is that you can't buy anything online which means no takeout, pre ordering at coffee shops, pre booking tickets for ANYTHING including trains, metro or bus QR code, etc...

>>2907967
jezus, what is wrong with them? Unlike a centralized computer controlled ledger, cash transfers are anonymous, and anonymity is inherently valuable.
Anyone who refuses cash ought to be shot on sight for stupidity; the only excuse is as u suggest - that counterfeiting really has made cash untenable.

>>2907969
>Anonymity is inherently valuable
Not to the Chinese government
Anyway credit card transactions can be traced just as easily
Unless you never use bank cards in the west and are cash+crypto only then there's not much difference when it comes to Alipay, the only thing that's changed is the government monitoring your purchases

>>2907975
>Not to the Chinese government
i follow your reasoning there.

>Anyway credit card transactions can be traced just as easily
wtf your wheels came off fast. I'm talking about paper IOU notes and metal coins. They cannot be traced as easily.

> the only thing that's changed is the government monitoring your purchases
which is a deal breaker. it's no-ones business except me and the whores I'm paying. Chinese government needs to fuck off and mind its own affairs.
Even 10 years ago i bet 100s millions of monger-whore transactions were taking place safely under the anonymity of cash transfer in china, as it had been for millenia.

>>2907982
You're doing a bit right? Lolbertarians don't really think their ideals can be demanded in earnest in *China*?

>>2907969
99% of people value convenience over privacy. Even Europe (and to a smaller scale the US) are trying to go cashless.

Im cooking now how about anons

>China has started denying tourist and business visas to 95% of Indian applicants
>If you go anywhere online where people talk about Chinese visas there will be a stream of Indians complaining their visa was denied for no reason
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

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>>2908169
China being the first place I'll ever visit where I won't see one Indian, despite bordering the country

>>2907969
I couldn't care less about being anonymous IRL. What I hate is everything requiring a phone. My phones have broken down or lost signal countless times. I've been days without network after arriving in a country. No way I want to rely on it to put food in my belly when a piece of fiat paper would work just as well.
>no shansh
You probably have to go to a bank and get a huge wad of small bills. Ridiculous that the CCP can't even catch and execute a few counterfeiters to stop them from making fake notes.

>>2907767
and yet people flock to nyc and la from all around the world

>>2908172
>Ridiculous that the CCP can't even catch and execute a few counterfeiters to stop them from making fake notes.
kek if you believe that. of course they can catch them. they just say "muh counterfeiters" so they have a pretext to restrict freedoms more

>>2907742
The kicker is the fact that many chinese men don't even have facial hair and you got this rowdy faggot at your door

Meet people in public before your hotel room, homo

>>2908213
China is accepting of visitors but it's not accepting of foeigeners gaining any position of authority at any workplace in china. All high power CEOs in china must be Han Chinese. They aren't stupid enough to let the foreignwrs gain any semblance of power.

People won't move there because it's not friendly for work in anyway and it's good for them to keep it that way

>>2908242
Honestly, seeing how many companies went down the shitter after getting an indian CEO, the chinks might be right.
They still poach scientists and researchers from all over the world though, I guess that's one niche they are happy to import more laowai.

Going to reggaeton with a Colombian friend tonight. This will be fun

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I'm about to go to Sozhou/Shanghai for a business trip, where can I find the love of my life?
I'm Spaniard but white passing enough.

>>2908333
Nanjing east road

I was watching a yter travel south to north in china on motorbike and a lot of the areas he went through seemed really rural, like dirt roads and really barren, are a lot of places in china that aren't the big cities normally like that?

>>2908172
>couldn't care less about being anonymous
as i said the practicality of cash anonymity here is the pigs can't nail u on mongering just by browsing your 'private' transactions from their phones. For that it's certainly worth keeping cash alive in the vag market.

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Genuinely curious, which part of China are most likely to find thicc Chinese girls?

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>>2908357
(She is Chinese American pro wrestler Wendy Choo)

>>2908357
dude if u like stocky and brown then thailand is your place. It's full of them and they are considered low value so unless u are an ugly shitskin u will do well.
(u are prolly an ugly shitskin, why else would u be attracted to this low phenotype )

>>2908355
>Are non urban areas rural?
Yes lmao
I can't say I've ever seen dirt roads in actual towns or villages, even in smaller villages they usually have roads with concrete or some sort of stone surfacing (not sure what it is) and then in county towns they will always have tarmac roads
China is very unequally developed and there's a huge difference between big cities and towns/villages. Even in Beijing and Shanghai there are very rural areas (Fangshan and north of Shunyi in Beijing, south of Minhang and Songjiang in Shanghai) which are just like small provincial villages.

>>2908357
This is the absolute antithesis of the Chinese beauty standard. Dark, fat, and excessive makeup. If you want to find girls like this stay in the US.

>>2908363
Not him but what region has the most fat chicks?

>>2908375
thailand

>>2908363
>China is very unequally developed
That was the vibe I was getting when watching the videos. It’s hard to get use to how homes look in china from a western point of view

>>2908375
Xinjiang because the food is unhealthy even by Chinese standards and traditionally Uyghurs prefer fatter women
Although according to national statistics Hebei has the highest percentage of overweight women (44%)

>>2908379
>traditionally Uyghurs prefer fatter women
Based Uyghurs, alhamdulillah!

>>2908375
It's gotta be the northeast. But they have those Great White big and pale fatties, different from the short one that guy posted. If you want fat chinks with diasporoid features SEA or the anglosphere are probably your best bets. Malaysia is full of fat chink women like that. They are bigger cunts than even asian american women though

>>2908378
why? they have toilets on the ceiling or something mad?

>>2908416
they have the hole in the floor toilet in a lot of homes. it has a learning curve but its actually a lot better once you get used to. easier to shave without clogging the drain