Is the classic American road trip dead? It sure seems like interstates take you through a homogenized version of the US.
try appalachia plenty of places where you can drive for hours without touching an interstateyou can drive along old forgotten turnpikes and indian trails dating back thousands of yearsalso breezeport IS appalachia, once you get north of the turnpike/76 its quite nice and apart from 80 there's no highways in northern pa just 99 which is not really an interstate past state college
Small towns and shit are mostly dying, yeah... it's kinda depressing at least here down south. Clearly towns that used to mean something to people, left to rot. No sense of community, no industry, tons of land being bought by private equity, just slow quiet death. This isn't meant to be political but our leaders have done us wrong.
>interstates have McDonald's and gas stationsFascinating insight from the incel peanut gallery
>>2905233If you’re trying to get across the country as fast as possible than yes but if you’re actually going to take the time to see things than no.
>>2905233I always see europoors talk about this picture; and act like Europe is somehow any better.I’ll live in the city in the picture you posted over your slum nigger infested commie block neighborhoods.
>>2908264Europe still has city centers full of life, not hollowed-out Main Streets with all the commerce siphoned off to the commercial strip next to the interstate exit.>>2905266Yes, that copypaste franchise crap is always strewn along roads which branch off the major highways and interstates. It's where all the mutts go to spend their money, driving many miles from their tract houses and pretending like this is a great way of life. Picrel the shitty stroad I drove my mom down today on her trip to the mall for my brother's birthday outing. Nothing but traffic lanes and parking lots, no environment to speak of. Outdoors is just this hot humid place you step through for a few seconds from your car to whatever business you are patronizing.
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>>2905233There’s two many black people
>>2908274breezewood has lots of issues but blacks are not one of themthe real issue is they need to widen the pa turnpike to modern standards and three lanes each way, esp while crossing the mountains, and make it continuous interconnecting interstate between 70 and 76 (the turnpike) but they are cheap and lazy
>>2908267You are mad that there are roads?
>>2905233Everyone shits on America for looking like this, but Canada looks exactly the same
>>2908281the issue isn't that their are roads, the issue is that the roads are old, narrow, and don't directly connect without requiring everyone to stop at a traffic light that is slow as hell.
>>2908275Uh bucko I’m talking about the entirety of the US. I don’t want to even share the road with them. I don’t want to see them anywhere
>>2908282Except poorer.
>>2905233I'm a trucker, my workplace is these places. Once you cross the Mississippi you're Gucci. The West is the Best (until you reach California wet of the mountains)
>>2905233Have you tried rubbing some brain cells together and plotting a route NOT using the interstate?
>>2908310It adds an hour or more to do so, esp with Breezewood. That's kinda why it's a thing. t. has taken every possible route to avoid the turnpike and breezewood
>>2908322there's some law about roadside businesses that makes all the businesses clump up. But taken from another angle, there's massive amounts of beautiful greenery on either side.
>>2908322That's what the yurotrash are seething about? These areas really are an oasis, you've been driving 10 hours, need gas, food, a hotel. I guess yurotards can't afford even a driver's license which we get for $25 much less the gas and monster truck
>>2908323>there's massive amounts of beautiful greenery on either side.100% private land, no effort made to offer a nearby scenic view to tourists passing through
>>2908339>10 hoursDon't they have these every 50 miles or something?
>>2908323Commercial zoning. There's still no denting that this is so much more hideous than a typical European village, which harmonizes with its rural surroundings as a place of traditional human habitation instead of forcing itself on the landscape out of pure greed.
>>2908282Canada is America, duh.
>>2908360I'm now convinced Vermont is legally accessible American Canada.
>>2905233McDonald's, Chick fil-a, waffle house, etc. and truck stops are far more representative of country culture than some hipster local woman owned (TM) mom and pop establishment
>>2908353This might be confusing to someone with no car but if you are driving 600 miles you dont want to stop every 45 minutes
>>2908360replace Exxon with Esso, leave the McDicks, add a Tim Horton's and Interstate signs with Trans Canada leaf.
>>2908287>bucko
>>2908339stop talking like joo, we don't need these threads to always devolve into one of their D&C afforts
>>2911508Stop making these d&c threads
>>2910309Why are you hurrying so much that you have to drive 600 miles in a day? Even truckers who drive for a living max out around 550.
>>2905233This is a very weird picture. Based on the signage of some of the fastfood places(subway and taco bell) and the oldschool walmart logo on the semi trailer, this picture could not have been taken any later than like 2003, but gas is 3.65 per gallon?
>>2911674That's the exit for beautiful Breezewood Pennsylvania.
>>2911674Lower left, under the Exxon sign, that is a Ford Fusion made no earlier than 2006.It's BFE PA and the Pennsyl can be suffixed with -tucky, -ssippi, -ssouri, -kota, -bama, -homa, -braska, -tario, -toba, -berta, and, if you're referencing PA's smaller religious communities, you can go Pennsylt Lake City.Places not updating their branding in the sticks......yeah. It's not a strip mall in a nice suburb.
>>2911531Bitch I done 700 regularly
>>2908339It costs £34 (approx. $45) in the UK for the licence itselfGermany is the most retarded, they have to pay more than $1,100 to have a mandatory number of lessons before taking the driving test
>>2911768Sounds like heaven, because German drivers and places with difficult tests, like Finland, are civilized and educated compared to the stick-chucking uncontacted tribes in the USA's passing lanes going the same speed as the car righy next to them that they're not passing.
>>2908267Hey I used to live in that road
>>2908267You don't know what you're talking about. That area near Breezewood has endless outdoor activities.
>>2911772Germany was a cool place before they turned the country into a Muslim caliphate
>>2911846Gonna be interesting in 10 years when the islamofascists are running the EU
>>2905233Everywhere is the same. You can potentially get some americana by avoiding the interstate and taking the numbered highway system. But the cultural hollowness is clearly apparent
>>2912582You can take 22 instead of 76 to get north, it's the scenic way, it's not THAT scenic and it wastes at least 30 minutes but sometimes it is better than Breezewood
Everywhere in America is either>Generic poor suburbia>Generic rich suburbia>Corn>The most beautiful natural landscape you've seen and a bunch of indians>Dying small town with antique store, mediocre generic diner, and uninteresting historical center>New York City
>>2912633The best small towns and cities in the US are ski towns, or right next to National parks. Telluride, Lake Tahoe, Flagstaff, Ouray Colorado, Vail, Park City Utah, Durango Colorado, Burlington Vermont, Jackson Hole, Cody Wyoming, Yosemite Valley, Missoula, Wailea. The exception to that rule are California Beach and coastal cities. Newport Beach, Santa Barbara, Laguna, San Clemente, Tiburon, Carmel, etc.
>>2911531>>2911737I did 871 miles (1401 km) on day 1, 814 miles (1310 km) day 2, and 408 miles (657 km) on my last leg day 3 of my last USA cross country road trip. 26 year old 2nd gen dodge ram 1500 stick shift lol. Pro-tip, completely skip north Texas, New Mexico, and like half of Oklahoma, just power through those crap holes. And my trip wasn't even a coast to coast.
>>2912762Oh and I also drove right past Breezewood PA on the 76 to.
>>2912762For europoors that is Lisbon Portugal to Warsaw Poland by vehicle about 105 kmh average driving speed. For aussies, Brisbane to Darwin. Russians, St Petersburg to Omsk.
>>2912767And honestly the most scenic state on my trip was and remains, Arizona. I can definitely see why settlers went mad on the plains and in the eastern shitholes. Missouri was probably the 2nd most scenic, Pennsylvania 3rd. AZ 260, Rim country, and 191, Salt River canyon, Sedona 89a, etc all mog. You can also just pull off and camp almost anywhere in the forest.
>>2912772AZ again. This is only like the 4th or 5th coolest canyon in AZ.
>>2912773This is literally like 80% of New Mexico. All of the buildings you do see look like shit, gas stops suck (tied worst with N Texas).
>>2912774This is no joke, 99% of North Texas. I had the misfortune of stopping for gas in Amarillo and a pack of about 6 homeless methbillies tried to clean my windshield for crack money. They literally hide in the underpass waiting for you. Also the cattle farms smell like piss and shit so strongly it stays with you for about a day.
>>2912775East Oklahoma and pretty much all of central southern Missouri were good IMO. I would live there. St Louis and OKC suck. Also on the drive back it was 93f to 95F with 65% humidity in Tulsa, 110F plus heat index, sweatier than satans taint. I've been in 118F in low AZ deserts and that Tulsa muggy was worse IMO, it won't kill you as easy but it feels worse.
>>2912776I drove as fast as possible through Illinois, it smelled and looked like shit IMO, got a little better the closer you got to Indiana. West Indiana was alright, East Indiana had the worst roads I have ever seen in my life. I think one stretch was 59 miles of nothing but roadworks (without the works) and potholes. One more note on Oklahoma. The semi trucks drive 80-90mph, it was posted in areas that it was illegal to drive below 60 mph.
>>2912778Ohio was just mid all around, generic. The drivers all drive like it's the last day of their life and they're just waiting for the chance to end it all. Anyway, mostly farms, shitty cities.
>>2912780And finally Pennsylbama. Appalachia PA. Not terrible, not great, better than most of the midwest at least. Locals drive like 60-70 mph on the windy woods back roads, the posted speed limit is usually like 40-50 mph. Fuck toll roads btw, I don't know why midwesterns and easterns tolerate them. Gas stops had some hot young blond women working there, no tattoos amazingly.
>>2912781Some more PA woods.
>>2912781anon that is not the characteristic view of pa appalachia>>2912780again you didn't even TRY to see the prettiest views or rock formations in Ohiothis is just "driving through states on the interstate"
>>2912785Arizona rim country (my home region). Part of why I'm not easily impressed.
>>2912787You can just pull off almost anywhere and camp for up to 14 days dispersed.
>>2912788Riparian montane Arizona forest.
>>2912786Ohio fucking sucks for scenic views and outdoors. It's just a fact. Even the Wabash valley kind of sucks. Appalachia PA is better but it's not better than the West and never will be. Some of you guys have never seen a real night sky before.
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>>2912787summit county CO here. Family in Flagstaff. Both AZ and CO are dry, hot shitholes. Rim country people say they're in the mountains and forests which is bullshit, they're just in a slightly less hot, dry shithole with slightly more trees and one mountain with a few hills that used to be one giant mountain that exploded. Can't hold a candle to Colorado, and even then Colorado is bullshit compared to WA/BC/Alaska
If you're ever in redneck Arizona country. I recommend bass fishing, shooting (free, everywhere, there's also a gun range that rents out full autos), kayaking in the Verde valley. I once caught 46 sunfish and bass in under 2 hours in Sycamore creek using jigs. Also Merkins restaurant, recommend the golden stout beer, pricey but good, great balcony views, hottest bartenders. Payson area, Rim Country BBQ, rodeo, fishing the rim lakes and creeks for trout, snow mobiling hiking shoeing sledding 4wheelin etc, also more shooting, forest bathing, diamond ridge crystal gem quartz off the highway free season limits though no one really cares just don't kill trees, fossil site for marine fossils also free, swimming kayaking, hunting etc. Flagstaff area, same great stuff but less rivers and lakes, San fran peaks easiest 12ker in the USA except in winter, every kind of snow sport, observatory, bluegrass festival, Oktoberfest, multiple good breweries, not very redneck more libby etc. Show Low, redneck like Payson and Verde Valley and Prescott. Sedona is woowoo crystal Karen instagram hot spot, avoid it but do hit the canyons and trails and creek. Don't worry about living in these places though, you can't afford it probably, unless you are a long time locals like me. Constitutional carry state also, so other rednecks are welcome.
>>2912804The evaporation rate of the rim country is 25 inches a year at 7,100 feet above sea level. Which is similar to Lake Kachess in Washington state. The difference is it does not rain or snow almost at all from April to July, then monsoons swamp the landscape July and August and September, and then October and November are somewhat dry, while Dec thru March is the wettest. There's thousands of random ponds and parks all over the rim, it's annoying actually because you're not supposed to disperse camp too close to them, but no one patrols it so it's fine.
>>2912804If you want to see Arizona at its greenest (Ireland green and wet). Visit the rim country right now, it got 15 to 25 inches of monsoon rain and there's a hurricane remnant dumping 1 to 3 more inches today right now. This is also typical for a wet monsoon year and not unusual.
Example of the kind of annoying ponds I'm talking about. The frogs are cool though, there's 3 species of tree frog and 2 species of leopard frogs native to these kind of Arizona high country ponds.
>>2905233Get off the interstate.
>>2908264That's not a city that's a gas stop with restaurants in the interstate
>>2912582That's sad to hear. I've always dreamed of an extended American road trip. So if one doesn't divert off the highway, is the experience going to be largely the same?What about landscapes, can you see a lot if you stick with the highways? I'm not talking about anything super unique like badlands etc.I want to experience the sun setting over flat endless land for example or towns like Friday night lights.
>>2912774Love this, thanks for the pics anon.>>2912772I can definitely see why settlers went mad on the plains and in the eastern shitholes.What states were these
>>2912791No, Hocking Hills is great, there's nature preserves, mini-gorges, swimming holes, it just takes a bit of finding to find the nicest ones. Southern Ohio has plenty of great hiking. >>2912862Interstate isn't always bad - in rural areas sometimes there's random shops or museums you see advertised on the road and can stop to pee and browse a gift shop. But in general you get more "local color" taking smaller roads and in parts of the US just taking the back roads can be enjoyable.
I say this all the time, but the mistake people make all the time for a cross country road trip going east-west. You want to go to the west coast and drive south to north or north to south. Utah is the best state for a road trip if you're on a budget. You can camp on any BLM land in Utah for free. I've done every inch of this trip and it's the best driving in the US. Do a late September/early October trip. Start in Vegas and do Zion, Arches, Bryce, Escalante, Arches. Then hit Park City, Lava Hot Springs, the Tetons, Jackson Hole. Yellowstone, Missoula, Coeur d'Alene, Seattle, the waterfalls along the Columbia River outside Portland, Mount Hood, Bend, Crater Lake, lake Tahoe, San Francisco, Route 1 through Big Sur, Orange County California, San Diego and back to Vegas. You need at least 4-5 weeks to do it right and experience everything. Car camp along the way at cheap campgrounds and free spots if you're on a budget.
>>2912866Ohio is the kind of state where locals think it is a 7/10 plus, and everyone else knows it's a 2/10. Even PA which has 2.1 million acres of state forests alone, is at best a 5/10 and sucks compared to the west.>>2912915Every western continental USA state has at least 20,000 to 30,000 square miles of BLM and USFS land that you can camp on for free. The states with higher ratios of USFS land to BLM land tend to be better overall (WA, OR, CA, AZ, CO, AK). Campgrounds in CO and the Pacific coast states tend to be nanny state campgrounds however, you can always disperse for free to but those states have the worst campground regs and prices in my experience.
>>2912948Forgot to add MT to that list, it has a 2 to 1 ratio of USFS to BLM. Only downside is that 28% of Montana is forested, the remaining 72% is pretty much the same monotonous prairie landscape you get in the plains mountain states (MT, WY, CO, NM), but the MT and WY plains are better than the CO and NM plains generally. Fun fact, Montana and Arizona have roughly the same amount of forested land percentage, but Arizona has more than two times as many biomes as MT.
>>2912950Also, the plains mountain states aren't the only states with utterly massive prairies. AZ, UT, ID all have huge actual short grass prairies as well, different from sage brush prairie, (which they also have). Washington state has the Palouse and channeled scablands and eastern Oregon is basically an extension of the mountain states climatically and in terms of biomes. Arizona, Wyoming, and Colorado have the highest elevation prairies. Arizona prairie at 5,500 ft pictured, the highest large prairie in AZ is at 9,500 ft above sea level, the lowest short grass prairies in AZ are at about 4,000 ft before it gives way to sage brush and desert scrub. Arizona also has one of only a handful of wild plains bison herds, not fenced in and completely free roaming.
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>>2912954The difference between mountain states prairies and the Great plains states prairies are that the mountain states prairies are almost all short grass, they are colder and higher elevation and generally drier, and they are never farther than about 1 hr from mountains and forest. During monsoon season, AZ and west NM prairies explode in greenery and wildflowers for about 2 or 3 months.
>>2912956Also to give some perspective of size of the western USA states. Pic related 3 general temperate ecotypes in Arizona: forest, high grasslands, chaparral (think California coastal vegetation), combined area in is 40,469 square miles, 104,814 square kilometers in size. Larger than the state of Kentucky, larger than all of Ireland. It takes 5 to 6 hours of non stop driving at 60 miles an hr (100kmh) to drive from Williams Arizona to Alpine Arizona using the Payson AZ forest route, the fastest possible route is 3 and half hours using the sage brush/prairie route via Winslow. I drive/camp/hike/fish/shoot all over the AZ high country all the time, lived here my whole life, and there's still places I've never been, peaks and canyons I've never traversed. And I've done trips to 40+ Arizona mountain ranges in every part of the state, out of 210 total mountain ranges (not peaks, whole ranges).
>>2912786One isolated gorge a few hundred feet deep is definitely not characteristic of most of Appalachian PA, which has wide valleys in between the ridges. >>2912786>the bestest scenery in OhioProbably a couple waterfalls in the Hocking Hills which are very low and unimpressive BTW. Young scraggly forest affords no views either afar or of big trees up close. Ohio people suck too, they are all assholes.
>>2912977https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqp-TnnPQgUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7su5AbXinbM
>>2913025Also, today Sept 29, 2026. It snowed 2 inches on San Francisco peaks, Arizona at 11,500 ft. Normal. Snow free days on the peaks this year was 106 days. It should snow at 7,000 ft in Rim country usually around late October, and the keep piling until the end of March. Your last chance to see the Arizona high country green is closing fast, within 2-3 weeks the green lush grasses will begin to freeze and turn golden again. Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Colorado can snow every single month if the year.
>>2913035Also as previously mentioned, San Fran peaks are the easiest 12kers in the USA, 3850m. Literal cake walk for non-lards. However in winter, you can have up to 150 mph wind gusts (67m/second), up to 25 ft snow drift (7.62m), and temps as low as -25F (-32C) occur almost every winter along routes. But for 90% of the time, it's a cake walk. There are actually 6,000 ft peaks in AZ that will kill you way easier than the 12,000 ft ones.
