I need to go to South America and drink ayahuasca in a jungle with a shaman and a rotating cast of expats who all had the same idea. Everything is arranged. I just show up, hand over a few thousand dollars, and spend a week purging and meeting God or whatever. There is a ceremony. There is a bucket. There is a man with a rattle. This is healing. I fly home changed.
>>2912574Sounds like a planWhat could could wrong?
The typical cost for an ayahuasca retreat in Peru is $1000. The experience is much more life-changing than smoking or vaing DMT because it lasts so long, with multiple doses being administered over the course of the weeklong session. Most "retreats" are funded by foreign capital, which leaves very little to trickle down to the handful of native "shamans" - sometimes US citizens in a sham getup - who go through a pantomime of the traditional ayahuasca rituals because that's what tourists want to experience. Youtube playlists of ícaros, for instance. They prefer foreign customers because A) they pay 10x more and B) they don't have demonic black magic powers like the locals do, gringo life energy is weak and easily controlled. Plus, you'll be gone and forgotten next week, so your life struggles (both before and after your session) are truly irrelevant. Robbery and rape while tripping balls are both a very real concern. Where the fuck do you leave your cash and passport at these retreats? One local I talked to in Colombia said that the "shaman" was a cocaine fiend who fucked lots of white women while they were under the influence of ayahuasca. He warned me not to get involved with that guy. I'll be going to Peru in a month, but as a solo traveler I'm definitely not gonna fall for any lofty promises of healing and enlightenment. It's $5 worth of jungle herbs described as an "evil potion" by Catholic friars dressed up into an extravagant "ceremony" for which you are expected to pay huge sums of money to join.
>>2912583Thats retarded. Youre better off blasting your brain with a heroic dose of shrooms for an evening and working through your trauma. DMT is for psychosis breakthroughs
>>2912583If it's all bullshit anyways why not just go to a hippy house in Brazil where they don't jack up the price 10x for some shaman voodoo?
>>2912574>I fly home changed.Yeah you fly home with irreparable brain damage most likely and probably schizophrenia. >spend a week purging and meeting God or whateverGoing to age myself, but I am like 99% sure some dude on SomethingAwful back in the day did what you are planning and ended up paranoid freak who lost everything and never again was straight in the head. Listen to >>2912583 , not worth it. Unless you are clocked in with a terminal illness not worth it.
>>2912574you'll surely find the most well adjusted normal people to hang out with
Do you really want to turn into Cult of Passion that badly?
>>2912593Brain damage, that's very subjective. A noticeable slump in brain activity following repeated psychedelic usage is to be expected over the weeks and months afterwards. But the brain is more resilient than you give it credit for. Eventually it gets over most traumatic events. Including a realization while tripping balls that you are alone and vulnerable in a strange faraway place, surrounded by an unbelievable buzz of energies that...yes, they ARE voices, demonic voices emanating from a place where so many have come to cast out their demons. Lucky for them, you have a nice vacant soul available for them to possess. Too late...by the time you realize some malevolent demon penis has penetrated your soft unprotected mind and jizzed its essence deep within, you can't do anything about it.>>2912588The ayahuasca dose IS the trauma, anon. The experience is so potent that it is supposed to purge past traumas in the same way that you no longer feel a bee sting after you break your ankle.>>2912592Ayahuasca isn't bullshit, but most retreats run by English speakers are bullshit. If the brew is cooked poorly or the plants are low DMT content, the physical sickness and accompanying misery/distress will be far more pronounced than any paychedelic effects.
>>2912593Small brains can't handle drugs, It's scary for them
Whatifalthist did just that and later he posted a four hour video talking about how Odin communicates with him telepathically and ordered him to write a list of all the girls he masturbated to in high school.
>>2912574Lmao you druggies are pathetic. Literally doing this instead of going to Mass. You'll all end up going insane and end up like >>2912578 and PAY someone to end up like that.
>guys this shit well documented to fuck people up and give them a full personality shift with trip affects happening for up to 3 weeks after dosage won't fuck with me lol!Are you the same anon who posted about wanting to go to Slab City and Joshua Tree park trying to trip? If so and this is your alternative to that, you're cooked just go ahead do the trip wreck your brain and then spend the next 30 years blaming %politicial% things and %healthcare_situation% as to why you're the way you are.
>>2912583Use ayaadvisor to choose with care and you can eliminate 99% of issues
>>2912620>This is your brain on drugs!!
>>2912623No one here cares if OP wants to do some drugs, go on a vaca for a week to trip w/ some trips.Dude is wanting to try ayahuasca, something well known for literally altering peoples entire personality, lasting far longer than a week, good luck on a plane ride dude if you have a relapse. If OP was asking about some west coast week bender for drugs wouldn't give 2 shits
>>2912624>Dude is wanting to try ayahuasca, something well known for literally altering peoples entire personality, lasting far longer than a week, good luck on a plane ride dude if you have a relapse. If OP was asking about some west coast week bender for drugs wouldn't give 2 shitsI've done it about a dozen times, you've done it zero times. Most people would see that as an opportunity to not voice their opinion and learn something. It's always the dumbest people with the most to say though.
>>2912635>DUDE DRUGS LMAO>Like dude, wow my mind is so like whoa and like I know so much awesome like dude omg I'm so profound let me repeat a phrase I learned when I was 14 since that's when my druggie mind stopped developing lmao
>>2912583Why don't you go but not drink the juice, go along with it while being fully sober and have sex with the women? The shaman will be getting his condoms and lube ready and peek out of his Tent and see you have a whale of a time and say Heeeyy you've stolen my idea :(
>>2912643Holy fucking cringe. You wrote that
>>2912659What's cringe about it?
>>2912676Gtfo cornball
>>2912599Brain damage anon is talking about is strictly your brain no longer working like a normal brain is. Heroic doses of shrooms do not fuck the brain up. It actually boosts brain activity because its basically a weightlifting routine for your neurons as they make new connections and get thicker because your superego is turned off that causes your brain to atrophy
This kind of shit is annoying and drug seeking to the max. You can buy $20 of shrooms and do something even better because shrooms have been medically studied and even in stage 3 trials testing efficacy against the next best treatment as proof of their efficacy
Actually why is this type of grifting even allowed. People will do literally anything except work an actual job
>>2912691Still don't know what you mean? Never mind
>>2912694Another tard who's never done it. Is this whole thread retards with strong opinions?>>2912719Stop crying you corny dork
>>2912723Not crying, because I don't know what you're talking about. So can't really be offended
>>2912595kek, wonder what hole he's fallen into at this point to not be shitting up the board
>OP: Hey guys I wanna do something retarded that has a very high chance of fucking up my brain>"OP what you're going to do is retarded. Just go do some weed or some shit">UHH EXCUSE ME? UHH IT'S MY CHOICE OKAY! IT'S JUST DRUGSGo for it OP, you have 10% chance coming out with a positive outcome, with those odds why not just bet your life savings within polymarket with the hopes of being a millionare>>2912729He said multiple times if he ran out of money and had no way to get new CC's he'd do a flip, so my guess is50% chance he offed himself50% chance he had a psychotic episode in a public place like an airport and got locked up in whatever shithole he was in
>>2912608Unironically Chinese businessmen drink ayahuasca to innovate and solve complex personnel management problems. So much depends on the dosage, and each batch is different. >>2912620>actually see the world system for what it is instead of being another brainless goycattle strooving to get rich and buy a house in the suburbsYes, that is very likely to happen. Problems arise however when you expect to go right back to your old wagie rentcuck life. You should quit your job and have a whole new set of living options laid out before you go on your ayahuasca trip.https://aeon.co/essays/the-many-realities-of-ayahuasca-from-rural-peru-to-urban-china
>>2912741>just become the mental level of a chinese businessmanReally anon? Don't those "people" have a habit of going insane and falling for every possible scam in the book as well? Many killing themselves early in life?Yeah great ad.
>>2912731I knew a Native admixed loner gamer guy crom California who did ayahuasca and blooomed for a few years. He met a wealthy white girl in Bastrop Texas and they began talking about buying a rural property in the outland West and turning it into a commune. The property was fucking huge, with a wall and numerous outbuildings. But money immediately began gnawing away at their happiness. She covered the mortgage payments, while he got an online job and paid other expenses. Volunteers were recruited to engage in back-breaking labor for free. Few came, and the one that did was an alcoholic who gave himself a kidney stone working in the heat. Nobody in the local area gave a shit about their dream. More and more, the bills became a source of contention. The guy lost his optimism and retreated into his bedroom to play vidya all day. She lost weight and went from being a Stacy in name alone to an actual Stacy. I'm wasting my money and time here with this loser, I can do better, she began thinking. As a last ditch effort to jump start their old dream they got married. But nobody stuck around afterwards except for a tenant from hell who refused to either pay rent or do any work. Eventually she was evicted, but by then tensions had reached a breaking point, and everything fell apart. They both went back to their parents, she got the property to sell, and he ended up with nothing whatsoever to show of all those years of daring to dream big. Only bittersweet memories. Back to Square One.
>>2912746Not your blog.
>>2912746>He met a wealthy white girl in Bastrop Texas and they began talking about buying a rural property in the outland West and turning it into a commune.So some drug addict met a rich white girl, told her the world, she found out he was a loser and they lost it all. Yeah man GREAT story man very unique.
>>2912746he didn't bloom. he didn't do shit the entire story and nothing happened.
>just go have this drug>it alters your personality>you could be like a hekkin chinese business man those people are SUPER normal>here another story about some dude who was ~freed~ as a native but lost it all but hey he had a white woman lol>why are you not doing this?GEE
>>2912742>if I just say random shit with 0 basis I'll win the argument!!
>>2912747This is in fact a board about real-life travel and adventure stories, you niggling naysayer.>>2912758Welcome to real life. It doesn't have neat plots with main character (You) vanquishing challenges and achieving a happy ending with your dream waifu like your favorite goyslop media. You decide to break out of mental prison and impulsively leap into the unknown with a bold choice, feel a great thrill of anticipation for the future, react to happenings, deal with fallout from misjudgments, churn your wheels in the mud for years, and give up on long-held dreams. The lesson is to do it anyway, for the experience and the memories. Or rot at home, do nothing and become another miserable fearful r9k poster "I'm 33 and my parents are kicking me out, please halp I'm gonna killmyself". Here at /trv/ we go through our periods of demotivational rotting, but always break out and choose the path of adventure when we get a chance to.
>>2912892if you're rotting when you're not moving that's a skill issue. it should be a monk mode to buff your attributes (linguistics, physique, finances) so later you can adventure better. Adventure is the centerpiece of life and should never be neglected but it's impossible to do anything fruitful when you're phoneposting while riding a bus all day and sleeping in a random new hotel every night
>being this obsessedSeriously, who's paying you?
>>2912892This is fat self defeating people logic. You are typing like a straight edge moron who's never done shit and thinks some pill will fix it. You're no different than the 45 year old soccer mom named Karen drugged off xanax and other meds who's "normal"."If I just do this one trick all my problems are fixed!" No anon they might be good for a little bit but you'll get into bad habits or need some kind of fix to "just get me over this rut" and it's a slow death spiral.Unironically, go to reddit where they do this degen retard shit only to wind up right back where they started being useless sacks of shit. My guess is if you went to the subreddit for it and posted your past of drugs and what you planned to do, you'd get laughed at and told know with people wondering if you're a troll. >but muh chang business men>but muh resetAnon everyone is documented differently but a consistent outcome is a complete change in behavior more often not for the better. Sure some success cases happen but you know what else has a good outcome? Getting in shape, eating healthy, putting down the fucking phone and doing things outside, etc. Though you don't want to because it's not a simple fix like you read up on the drug being a "reset" for people and that fixes you. lol no, people it's 'fixed' were already circling the drain so anything is a better outcome. Also you weren't mentally conditioned for 30 years like those Chinese men have to be to work 80hrs a week.If you are the same anon who talked about slab city shit in another thread, just go do some Peyote in the SW America and go on about your day. At least that shit gets out of your system in like 3 days.This thread is pointless because you've said more than you know, and aren't going to SA because you'll get cold feet or going to be able to even find the shit you want and you'll come up with 10 excuses as to why, so you can continue to bitch about life sucking which is what you secretly want.
friendly reminder to anyone using mdma, lsd, shrooms, dmt, or other serotonin-based hallucinogens and entactogens that a small dose of an ssri-class antidepressant (just the normal ones no snri/effexor stuff), - so prozac, zoloft, paxil/celexa/lexapro - things like that will STOP a bad or unwanted trip and will also accelerate your return into normalcyi.e. you are tripping and you have to driveit snaps you out of the trip in 15 min or less without sedation, you don't need a lot, can take half a pill, take more if needed just a safety thing, don't know why it isn't used more widely - there's a fear it could cause serotonin syndrome but it doesn't because the SSRI's are so much more potent at binding affinity at the 5-HT receptors
>he's STILL goingGive up man, who are you fooling?
>>2912902imagine being on shrooms or dmt and seeing the secrets of the universe but freaking out and having to take the blue pill to end it early. dmt itself is like 15 minutes. bad trip is a skill issue, you mishandled your psyche. i did all four of those and never had a bad trip because i'm not an internally inconsistent piece of shit. if you are, maybe a wake up slap is a good thing. of those four only recommend shrooms and dmt>>2912900dont know about ayahuasca but i agree with this anon. psychedelics arent a magic pill that fixes everything. it exposes what's inside of your psyche. for better or for worse. the people it helps the most are the people who are unaware of themselves. If you have clearly defined things you need to do, and you're just being a lazy bitch, the drugs aren't going to fix you
>>2912723Im sorry you'll have to work a real job anon and be responsible and cant just rob poor unhappy people of their money because your pitch is retarded and you're upselling and adventure when people can literally grow 5kg of dried magic mushrooms for same price as your trip youre advertising
>>2912902Great advice anon. Here's another piece you can extend/heighten a shroom high with weed. Just dont overdo it. Even just one hot will have you blasting off for another half hour
>>2912746When will druggies learn?
>>2912902>friendly reminder to anyone using mdma, lsd, shrooms, dmt, or other serotonin-based hallucinogens and entactogens that a small dose of an ssri-class antidepressant (just the normal ones no snri/effexor stuff), - so prozac, zoloft, paxil/celexa/lexapro - things like that will STOP a bad or unwanted trip and will also accelerate your return into normalcyCombining SSRIs with MAOIs can cause Serotonin Syndrome and literally kill you.
>>2912943Your opinion is based on other people's experiences. People like me who have the money and balls to push themselves through terror to experience and grow. This is a learning moment for you, little bro.
You sound really gay and fruity
>>2913139Its used quite often but yes people still need to be careful because anything designer made in a lab could have contamination that might be the cause of the bad trip. Its why I stick to shrooms they are easily controlled wood growing ones being the only dangerous ones since they can cause temporary paralysis which can heighten anxiety
>>2912694this i did shrooms 20 yrs ago and still reflec tupon it as life changing and infredibly positive
>>2913144A good trip in some trials has shown to reduce depression symptoms for over six months (because of how it strengthens new neural connections)
>>2912643Fucking elbow strike you
>>2913159Why?
>>2913160
>>2913168This is what you want to do, because you're a prude
>>2913140I mean yeah, drug induced fear helps conquer your real life fears left over from childhood, but that absence of fear doesn't magically make life rewarding. For me at least. It just made me empty and calm (either euphoric calm or depressed melancholy depending on seratonin levels).>>2912944Shrooms are the only psychedelic that didn't have any notable lasting effect for me. They are too unstimulating. 4 AcO DMT was the strongest and most profound, the only one that gave me insights into existence itself and broke me out of the "incel" angst of my late 20s.>>2912943Mold is the big enemy of shrooms. Very hard to keep it out when growing.>>2912907If you can't avoid rape, might as well lay back and try to enjoy it. Same goes for drug trips. Both of my brothers have ventured much farther into realms beyond the normal than I ever have. One from huffing starter fluid, the other blitzed himself with every known recreational drug and remains sane and competent nonetheless, his OG self. Some people's brains are amazingly resilient; others are too tight within their skull and thus prone to debilitating damage when stressed by drugs.>>2912900I'm not OP but I am in fact going to Peru on November 1st, and will investigate the ayahuasca scene at my leisure. Being of limited means I will not pay any exorbitant amount for the experience, however. Exploring is rewarding, even more so when your mind is fully opened to your surroundings. I'm stuck in a rut right now having fallen back on staying with parents the last four weeks, but soon I will escape and go on burning up my savings to freely traverse this strange and wonderful planet for the next seven months.>>2912895Trying to ascend is for normalfags. Been there, done that. There is no reward in it, only frustration, high cortisol. Asceticism does have its appeal for being so counter to modern goyslop culture. And with the world going faster and faster, it's a small act of rebellion to slow down and take your time.
>>2912895More like anti monk mode. Do do do! gains gains gains! Lock in to the hustle! Believe in accomplishment as the meaning of life! Gym is the perfect encapsulation of frenzied repetitious pseudoproductive activity within a defined space that characterizes the modern way of life.>but it grows the GDP!>but it sculpts the muscles! If you live for the hustle, then good for you. You're perfectly fitted for this hyperstructured, hyperspecialized modern goyslop existence. The longer your checklist of things to see, the more you enjoy your to-do list of a journey. Yes you can use psychedelics to optimize your performance, because your nature is not fundamentally at odds with the prevailing system. If it were, the outcome would be drastically different.
>>2913231I didn't say gym, you could just as easily run outside or be one of those functional fitness twinks who lifts tires or whatever. No matter who you are or what you do, your body benefits you. Your body is the only thing that is yours. The jew can tax your income and tax your spending and take a sliver of your money every time it moves, but for the body he is powerless. So he constructs this modern matrix where the brain, an organ of the body, is somehow to be considered separate and we have dualism pseuds who are flabby and miserable but insist they know everything. >>2913227>If you can't avoid rape, might as well lay back and try to enjoy it.Is that what happened in Topeka?
>>2913227Shrooms always gave me a lasting effect when properly spaced out. Granted I did lots of stimulation of things like eating, drinking alcohol, smoking, and very good music to trip too. The only thing I didnt like was how soft and emotional I was on the come down. >moldYes, but even with minimal effort you can grow 2-3 batches before the mold catches up. I was lazy and ordered kits for growing online and got about 150g dry shrooms each grow. I was literally giving it away to people like I was the shroom fairy
I did psilocybin therapy twice to overcome severe depression and anxiety. Numerous studies said it cured depression in 80-85% of cases so I decided to give it a try and it did work. That said, the odds of developing temporary psychosis from psilocybin was only like 0.001% for someone with no history of mental illness. And only like 2% for someone who has the actual schizo gene. So I thought it was worth the risk. Ayahuasca is a different beast though and I'm not sure if there have been done proper studies on the risk of developing temporary or even permanent psychosis. Personally I don't think it's worth touching when a safe alternative exists in psilocybin
>>2913145Yeah, depression is basically just your neural pathways being trapped in a doom-loop. The psilocybin creating new neural pathways makes it much easier to get out of the doom-loop and make changes which has a positive effect on your life
>>2913145How about not being a pussy and actually face what's causing you to be "depressed"? No no, do drugs that should help escape your problem temporarily.
>>2912574You're all pysyop'd retards. let me tell you the chronology of how you ended up in this train of thought>grow up watching seth rogen movie about weed>start watching joe rogan style content about "brooooo, i went to the amazon jungle and took ayahuasca bro, and it changed my life bro" and dark elves or something>take this shit seriously as if it isnt all retarded hippies and no well rounded healthy individual does this shit>"i gotta find myself brooo"in reality youre just a gullible sheep who psyop'd yourself into MKUltra'ing your brain, your just a retard sprawled out on the ground vomiting and groaning>come back home and discuss ur experience with some literary prowess as if it was magical and groundbreaking and you arent just a retard with diminished brain function at best and psychosis at worstShrooms are half okay, you can tell the human vessel is familiar with this substance for tens of thousands of years, at least. LSD, ayahuasca, all some fucking MKUltra psyop shit. stop falling for whatever magical use of words someone used to describe their experience, in reality you are just a drugged out retard sprawled out on the ground
>>2913530I hate people who project thinking that makes them a man. You behave like a woman >>2913350Yup. Freud was such a weirdo but its truly amazing his concept of a superego exists in our brain and can be turned off to exist without any constructs that limit our thinking.
>>2913348The reason why its so curative for depression is its combined with talk therapy. Most talk therapy isnt effective because people's brain is closed off. Shrooms turn off the brains ability to fight back against new ideas which means people are more able to truly open up and realize their motivations and critically examine what's wrong in life
>>2913567>I have zero experience on this topic but let me share my really strong opinion
>>2913348>Ayahuasca is a different beast though and I'm not sure if there have been done proper studies on the risk of developing temporary or even permanent psychosis.Absolute pussy faggot
>>2913255That's all fun diversionary activities. When the shroomy feelings start fading and I return to normalcy, the comedown slump hits and I become even more disillusioned with life than I was before. But it fades away after a day or two. Though I guess I was more optimistic and energized traveling India in the weeks following a series of psilocybin doses...hard to tell if they did actually encourage me to embrace a strange new reality and motivate myself to delve deep into the country. That motivation disappeared after a long illness four months into the trip, however. Then it started feeling like an arduous slog through endless shithole villages.
>>2913617Most curedfags are pompously in love with self, bounceback megalomania so to speak. Truly believing you are somebody special with a profound depth of consciousness greater than the NPCs around you is evidently the key to overcoming depressive feelings of worthlessness.
>>2913692Shut the fuck up and stop talking, your posts are consistently abhorrent and reek of rotting in your room alone >>2913690The brain stimulation from a strong trip of 5g or so can last for about six months or more. Im curious what longitudinal studies might discover about its ability to fight brain degenerative diseases due to its strong propensity to boost neuroplasticity
>>2913159this
>>2912574go to bolivia
>>2913828Both those posts are mine lol. I know egomania when I see it, and every single person who claims to have been healed by psychedelic drugs has an insanely exalted view of self, "I am the whole freaking Universe" basically.
>>2913692do you have an original thought of your own
