>>4413363
>Setting
Future closer to real life
>Men
Brainwashed by vidya, internet echo chambers, sex toys and porn they never leave their rooms, and the few that remain are all accountants that work remotely, everything else is automated in their lifes.
>How did lesbianism become normalized?
After the invention of IPS babies western goverments encouraged lesbians to have more babies and men usual sluttery led to a lot of bisluts to just form families with other woman. Meanwhile the BRICS, or RICS because Brazil followed a similar path than the old west, went through their SK-tier natality crisis losing what they're winning in our decade, the rest is history but capitalism killed the old male society when male consumers stopped being profitable and after the armies became dominated by woman there was no way to return to the past. In the present of this scenario reproductive kits can be found from drug stores in cities to boxes carried by poor people that resells them in their villages. Men and the old system are a thing that belongs to history books and the rest it's kind of the same but with less violent crimes in general. Also scientists are developing artificial plants that can produce the same thing as what are the reproductive kits main "ingredient" so if anything happens humanity will survive regardless.
Btw idk what will happen to things like religions or the muslim world. There are so much shit that could happen there with no males around.

>>4413441
>religions or the muslim world
Most religions would pivot to masc women being men so it'll be forcibly common place to see butch x femme relationships be the new norm. As for places like the middle east and India, they'd likely implode since their societies have large portions of it being about the control and subjugation of women

>>4413495
>implode
>now we have modern lesbian pirates in the arab and persian straits
Nice.

>>4413441
Yeah, I think this is a pretty grounded look at how a /u/ society could emerge in a relatively modern day setting. Obviously a world without men would be ideal, but without miraculous advances in technology and infrastructure (which would propel the story to soft science fiction at a minimum) it's just not feasible if you're still trying to be realistic. Having them as a subdued, placated worker bee type class is the next best thing.

>>4413623
Imo, men are just on their way out due to drastically dropping fertility rates, the minute ivg becomes marketed to straight women (because they are the ones who will be the most affected by this) it'll be ogre

The setting for the stories I will never have the drive or energy to actually write take place in a yuritopia where no males exist anywhere in the universe, all creatures are either female or genderless, the later being only for some alien races and The Enemy but they get referred to as female regardless, except for The Enemy who are Its.

For Humanity and all other Earth originating species that still exist, they live on a moon orbiting a gas giant many thousands of years in the future and have babies delivered to them by the Stork, which isn't actually a bird but something that vaguely looks like a bird mixed with a biblically accurate angel.

The Stork prefers to deliver babies to couples but will deliver to any group or even individuals who have a strong enough desire and will to raise a child. It's even possible for people to have children with the dead, so long as there was a strong enough bond while the dead person was alive.

Human culture is nice and better than what we have today because the Humans that exist are Humanity 2.0, who were genetically engineered to be approximately 15% better in every way. Boobs do not sag.
Original Humanity is fucking dead but they were all female too.

There's a lot more lore and shit that I can't be bothered to type out.

>>4413421
>Distant future where IPS cells breeding became normalised and commonplace.
it's pretty much inevitable. But in the next century we will have an city or country with only-females.

Wouldn’t femmes be discriminated in these kind of /u/topias? They’d be seen as reminders of the old school patriarchy.

>>4413691
Why? At worst femme aesthethic will become a dated fashion style before it becomes something like current gothic lolita.

>>4413691
Those styles will always exist, they obviously won't be in the service of men at that point but I doubt you can convince everyone to completely drop make up or skintight clothes all together, it'll just be much less popular or seen as a necessity in order to function in every day life

>>4413363
>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
Asiatic Fantasy.
>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them?
Men are still around.
>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
Mostly oppressed.
>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized?
About 0.7% of women manifest the ability to harness magical powers drawn from the divine feminine. This power was initially believed to simply disappear around puberty before it was realized that the powers remain permanent if the girl avoids sleeping with men.
This has led to a network of lesbian and celibate priestess covens that advise, aid and in many instances control the various cultures in the world.
>What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
There's no real concept of that. "Straight" is most closely translatable to "bad at sex" as being unable to experience or cause orgasm with another woman is perceived as a weakness even your male partner might be somewhat baffled by if he finds out.
Lesbian sex is often first experienced at temple run bathhouses where a priestess will test both your magical potential and gently introduce you to the pleasures of your own body.

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>>4413691

Butches would literally be dressing up as women’s old oppressors, they’d be more liable to be discriminated against.

Only other option is, without a new paradigm, all women drift towards being Futches, which becomes the new default. Traditional butches and femmes become fringe subcultures, a mix of today’s lgbt and historical cosplayers.

Would yuri really be better if there is only women? I mean, struggle, gender norms, social interactions based on sexuality will be gone or blended. It kinda ruins a huge part of yuri. Easy to choose loving women if there is no alternative...and less meaning in this choice.

>>4413715
Yes, it would.
I'm here for lesbians who love women, I don't give a fuck about cringe social shit, that's dumb and boring as fuck.

>>4413715
That's honestly not our problem if the world comes to that. That's on the women who will inhabit the world by then. But imo, since many of women's struggles center around men's oppression it'll definitely be a better place in many regards

>>4413715
Yuri will become more vanilla yes but there'll be struggle and the social interactions based on sexuality will evolve from what we have because female sexuality will always be different from male sexuality. Gender norms can fuck themselves. Also isn't like a lot of modern yuri don't give a shit about a lot of those issues, even in bislut manga there's little to no gayngst and you can replace the guys with other woman and the plot would remain the same.

>>4413715
It's not like the struggle and social interactions will just vanish when heterosexuality goes extinct, new struggles and interactions will take their place.

>>4413720
>and you can replace the guys with other woman and the plot would remain the same
Depends on the title. AdaShima, Kitakawa, School Zone, Moon on Rainy Night, a lot of stuff really fall apart the moment you turn one of MCs into boy. It just doesn't work. But yeah, Love Bullet, Shokei Shojo and a lot if other stuff would stay mostly the same.

>>4413731
No I'm talking about things like Koinega where you can change the guy to a girl and the plot will remain the same or the infamous succubus one, that's why I said "bislut manga".

>>4413731
Also
>Shokei Shoujo
If you've read the novels you know this isn't possible the Faust class is female only

>>4413752
Pregnancy is gross and painful, icky!
Boobs should be perky!

>>4413701

I like it. X-men meets Dune’s Bene Gesserit.

But couldn’t enemy nations just rape the opposing nations magic maidens to nullify their powers?

>>4413804
I mean yes but the same can be said about poisoning or otherwise killing magic users in any other situation.
Outside of super high magic or cultivation settings magic users are always a target.
Doesn't matter what shape it takes.

>>4413758
>Pregnancy is gross and painful, icky!
Pregnancy and Motherhood is part of biology and a part of humanity. It's foolish to go against it because you're against.

>>4414395
>Pregnancy and Motherhood is part of biology and a part of humanity.
so are men and het, doesn't mean you can't make stories without them

>>4414395
I think that's a foolish thing to think. In my setting, parents still have their biological and hormonal connection. They still lactate and breast feed their babies, everything works out the same except they don't have to lug a watermelon around in their stomach for months and put unnecessary wear and tear on their pussies.

>>4414437
>>4414459
This.

>>4414395
Het and fake.

Spore Reproduction.

>>4414475
Halo if it were lesbians

peak utopian society, Sesbian Lex

>>4414516
Just fucking say lesbian sex you stupid fucking zoomer

Woah no need to be rude, Anon. Let the kid have their fun

>>4414593
No, every defense of self censorship falls flat on this fucking site you mongoloid

>>4414598
>self-censorship
I just think it sounds funny, like some kind of lesbo supervillain.

>>4414618
Considering I only ever see Indonesians say that. It's really not

>>4414464
>Het and fake.
No. Pregnancy is part of humanity whether you hate it or not.

>>4413363
Not a whole universe, just a race of supernatural beings, but recently I came up with a yuri version of onis, which is very innacurate to actual oni lore, but I just needed any magic race and I chose the one I find the hottest. Athletic warrior women with horns.They are also considered animalistic and that helps with one of my lore points. I made this scenario to roleplay porn with AI bots.


>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
Can be in any setting, but the one I imagine is present day, but with some supernatural beings among normal humans.

>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them? Dead? Turned gay? Etc.
Yes, male onis exist, but I just never mention them. They are also outnumbered by female onis due to a point I'll address later.

>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
Oni women are as strong as the males and they are the dominant gender, usually holding leadership positions.

>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized? What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
Onis can reproduce the same way as any other mammal and have a normal menstrual cycle for most of the year, however they are also able to do parthenogenesis. It can only happen once a year, and it's accompained by a heat period. Since this heat only exists for asexual reproduction, female onis avoid males and kill any who approach them during this time (cause males are selfish and would try to do non-asexual, ruining the blood purity). Though this heat doesn't include pheromones anyway. They also get more aggressive in general due to pent up sexual frustration, but they will calm down in the presence of a woman they love or are attracted to.
(1/2)

>>4417853
For the ovulation and parthenogenesis to happen, the oni still needs to have sex and orgasm (like the mexican whiptail lizards), so they only seek other female oni or human women. Needless to say they get very horny and needy, so this is where the smut goes.
The daughter will be similar to a clone, but with some variations. Oni society sees this ability as sacred, and it's one of the reasons female onis gained societal power. This also leads to the skewed gender ratio in favor of women.
Onis will usually get married to the woman they had sex with during heat if they had a kid. There's no prejudice against the woman who only provided the orgasm, she's considered as much of a mother as her partner.
So either due to natural selection or magic, most onis are turbo lesbians.
I also have some ideas for courting rituals and culture around horns, but that's not very relevant here.

(2/2)

>>4413363
I have a lot of yuri-dominant places/organisations in my d&d setting. Nothing really made for that purpose specifically though.
I guess one example would be my main Drow city/society
>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them? Dead? Turned gay? Etc.
Men still exist, but are declining in what little relevance they used to have in society for a variety of reasons. First of all my drow practice amform of athenian democracy, so in their cities only adult, female drow can be citizens and have political rights. Without unasked for lore dumping, the key part was drow women finding out they could dominate surface elves by using magic to impregnate their females (since canonically drow breed dominant among elves). Alongside a certain elvish demi-goddess that started advocating for this kind of "reconciliation" it made men in that part of the Underdark basically irrelevant to the drow matriarchy.
They aren't gone, but their days are basically numbered.
>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
Its the Drow. Its a matriarchy and here not just in name like usual D&D. Men have no political rights and besides some holdouts, increasingly no power. Mostly only a issue for nobility, non-nobility are used to their lot and just accept it as given.
>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized?
1. Drow democracy still involves a lot of backstabbing and faction building. Getting into bed with your political allies (and enemies) is basically key to thriving and 'not' being good at sex with women is basically equal to political irrelevance.
2. They can and enjoy knocking up eachother and surface elven girls, making drow-surface elf relationships key to their revenge plot (be it as political marriages, hostage-wives or plain old slavery and rape).
>What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
If there was such an individual, she would keep it to herself and eat pussy like a good girl.

>>4418048
>Without unasked for lore dumping, the key part was drow women finding out they could dominate surface elves by using magic to impregnate their females (since canonically drow breed dominant among elves). Alongside a certain elvish demi-goddess that started advocating for this kind of "reconciliation"

Kinda hot desu. The next generation of Drow women in elf wombs...

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Setting for the SRPG that will only ever exist in my brain.

>What kind of setting is this?
Fire Emblem-ish fantasy with lots of monstergirls and such, who are incidentally responsible for the yuri-normativity.
Long story short: in the distant past, a brave heroine went to fight a powerful dragoness. They were evenly matched, and the fighting broke down and went wrong (went sexual), and something about their actions resonated with all the magic lying around from the heroine's broken equipment and the dragon's inherent magic and then boom. Suddenly there's monstergirls everywhere in addition to the existing humans/elves/dwarves/etc, but they're all-female and can reproduce with women, and they end up outbreeding the old races so that most people are women and like women.
Also, the crater where the "plap plap get pregnant get pregnant" happened became a natural landmark, though not everyone understands what exactly it is.
>Are men still around?
Yes, but only because I need men to still exist in significant enough numbers to justify that one of my characters is disguising herself as one.
>If men are around, [gender equality]?
Depends on the location. A few places are still dominated by the old races (that have men) and don't like the idea of being supplanted, so women have it worse there, but there are also places with monstergirl coexistence/dominance.
>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized? What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
It was mainly a consequence of monstergirls coming into existence. They were initially attracted to women almost exclusively, and enough interbreeding skewed the tables over time so that everyone's more likely than not to like girls.
Being an entirely straight girl is basically unheard-of by the time the story starts, but she'd probably just be considered an oddball or a wet blanket more than anything.

People who still include men in their stories are COWARDS.
That's right, you're a coward! You don't need men at all and all the mental gymnastics in the world can't justify having men! You can create entire worlds but you can't think of a way for a world to exist without men, pathetic!!

I want to add a question now that it's mother's month on some parts of the world. How it's mother's day celebrated in your world? There are different days for the mother that birthed you and oyher dy for the mother that didn't?

>>4418141
Sounds cute. So if it's a Fire Emblem esque game would it have the obligatory S-rank romance scenes between human girls and monstergirls?

>>4418142
I keep them around in case I need someone to die brutally and pathetically, usually to hype up a woman.

>>4418142
I don't begrudge people who want all-women worlds and that's totally chill and good, but for me it's a bit like eating nothing but desert. Without a sense of balance in there, the world can feel like a utopian theme park and not a living and breathing culture.

>>4418158
>>4418159
You both lack imagination.
You're both incapable of freeing yourself. Go ahead, imagine a setting consisting only of women, no men at all. It feels amazing.

>>4418178
De-centering from men also needs to be in your yuri stories. Never forget

>>4414851
No it's not. It's just a means of survival and reproduction. It could literally be anything else without taking away your humanity.

>>4418141
Sounds almost like the conflict of the game would be a crusade of the monstergirls, to liberate their future wives from the old-races societies.
Extremly relevant to my interests.
>>4418142
I'd see it as a choice of what the story is about. Without men its a story about how yuri won and then life goes on, vs. Yuri is currently winning and you get to see it. Both has its appeal.
There are types of stories that are very satisfying you can only tell if the choice between men and women still exists, so you can have girls choose other girls.

>>4418181
>needs to be
>in stories
the best thing about stories is that nothing 'needs' to beinthem

>>4418352
Literally the consequence of any lesbian romance is the removal of men. You have to get over that or YNGMI

>>4418357
>the consequence of any [...] is
you don't get fiction

>>4418360
Neither do you apparently

>>4418252
>No it's not. It's just a means of survival and reproduction
It is. Also Biology can be changed too but status quo still remains for women to become mothers. Women/Women pregnancy will be the main thing in the upcoming future.

Tens of thousands of years of evolutionary pressure selected for superior physicality in females, due to predators and environmental factors necessitating that pregnant females be able to fend for themselves. On top of that, these differences are exaggerated by mutations as a result of radiation and/or genetic engineering during apocalyptic event which saw hundreds of years of social and technological development loss. Eventually humanity rebuilds, which brings us to the post-post-apocalyptic setting where the average woman is a 2.5 meter tall muscular beauty (think Frost from Sometime's PuchiHore). On the other hand, the average man is pratically a shota.

Female homosexuality is normalized as a result of a significant skew in the population gender ratio towards females, as well as a "battle sister" culture among the legions of swordswomen who defend humanity, which is mandatory service in most cases. Bisexuality is nominally the default but in practice a minority of women actually engage with men sexually. Daughters are favored over sons by lesbian couples for obvious reasons, although sons are rare and valuable enough to be taken in by the state if they're unwanted. A handful of dynasties keep their sons as sperm donors for reasons of bloodline purity, but many others simply dismiss this as insignificant relative to the bloodline of the mother. Due to the differences in physicality, it's not uncommon for women to find heterosexual intercourse disappointing and men to find it traumatizing. That said, few men have the luxury of homosexuality. On the other hand, if a woman identifies as purely straight, she's likely to invite whispers behind her back referring to her as some kind of deviant.

>>4418650
The story that would never be written based in this setting would feature an orphan girl with severe birth defects giving her a loli-like body, marking her a pariah for her "masculinity". Despite this, as a teenager, she demonstrates superior proficiency over even veterans with firearms, which at this point are venerated relics of a lost age. Although this does not fully absolve her from the disdain of other women, one particular swordswoman is so smitten that she calls her "onee-sama" despite being an adult several years older, her justification being simply that irrespective of age, someone with superior martial prowess to her must be her onee-sama.

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>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
Alternate history and modern day at the same time, sort of.
Setting starts around late antiquity when pagan greek women fleeing persecution load up on as many boats as they can and sail past the Pillars of Hercules. Eventually they land in a mystical archipelago in the Caribbean that doesn't show up on any map; they found out pretty quick that this island chain has magical properties, such as rendering them immune to age or the elements. The island also allows same-sex reproduction, and gradually their numbers grow, occasionally supplemented by other pagan women also fleeing persecution from Europe (an influx of norse women in the middle ages is the biggest by far).
>Men?
The male gender cannot exist on the archipelago, any man that attempts to sail or fly there is either turned away or magically transformed into a woman.
>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized?
The magic of the island makes women almost constantly horny; if you weren't a lesbian before coming to the archipelago, you will be in short order. "Straight" as an orientation simply does not exist.

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>>4419865
>more lore:
• The archipelago consists of about 20 major islands, the major cultures that dominate are greek and old norse but certain other islands are descended from other cultures that found the islands. The big islands operate as their own nations with their own laws until they all get together and form a federal republic in the late 1800s
• This federal republic has its own kind of "glamour". People vaguely know the country exists, but there's a kind of magical mental block preventing anyone from keeping their attention on it. You can read the Wikipedia article of it, but the moment you click off the page you'll usually completely forget what you were reading about.
• The islands are a federal republic, but each major island also does their own thing and vary somewhat in their laws, though they're mostly the same except on two things
• Some islands have completely banned clothing, making nudity mandatory, some mandate clothes be "skimpy", a few make toplessness/bottomless mandatory
• Some islands also practice slavery (having either always practices it or re-legalized it after the federal republic's formation). Slaves are forbidden from wearing clothing and have their feet shackled and connected by a chain at all time; are mostly used for sex. Some islands make slavery purely consensual, some allow more "active" means of enslaving another women, up to and including capturing women from outside the islands.
• Birth-rate for the islands is actually quite low; the women are ageless and live for hundreds of years but are not immortal, population mostly grows from women that stumble upon the island and stay or are invited (or captured).

>>4419865
>or magically transformed into a woman.
Aaand you ruined it

>>4419987
More proof that women only settings are the best and including men in any way is cowardice.

>>4420248
No still ruined it

>>4419865
>or magically transformed into a woman.
Seconding the "no"

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>>4419865
>>4419882
Sigh.
Let's unfuck this.
>Alternate history and modern day at the same time, sort of.
Good but needs tweaks. In "modern day" humans with potential to do magic started to be born. Government captures and exiles those individuals at infancy to archipelagos. One archipelago for men, other for woman (thousands miles apart). It's done so in order to have control over population in case "mages" start to act up. No opposite sex is allowed even close. Due to geography / mystic stuff it's hard to reach them and even harder to left.

As exiles had to rebuild society from scratch technological level here varies from antiquity to late middle-ages, depending on island.

Government gets rid of mages not only because such individuals are dangerous, but also because every time they use magic they risk turning into monstergirls.

When a girl turn into for example lamia rapid changes in body are also very stressful, so much that it can damage brain. Girls can forget how to read, lose empathy, get amnesia... All of it is reversible with mind training, but can also turn them into mindless animal craving human flesh.

Different "countries" have a different approach to that problem. One is darvinistic despoty with a slave-master social pyramid, where the top is filled with monsters with just enough mind to cling to power. Other strictly regulate who can use magic and masses often times don't even know it exists.

Oh! Almost forgot. Normally human girls can't have babies, but some monstergirls have mutations that allow them to get pregnant/impregnate others.

Here we go.
- No men, no gender swap bullshit
- Monstergirls
- Mystic stuff
- Conflicts

>>4414395
>>4414851
>>4418362
>abolishing men is ok
>abolishing pregnancy is against nature
Can't we have neither?

>>4420404
>In "modern day" humans with potential to do magic started to be born. Government captures and exiles those individuals to archipelagos
This is just Valkyrie Drive. I think the game mentioned the girls with the virus also turned violent

>>4419987
>>4420270
just change the lore that men can't go to this place or are somehow blocked from entering and it works fine

Thought on omegaverse?

>>4422815
Already a bad concept for yaoi, even dumber for yuri. If I want to read about messed up power dynamics I'll continue to read Baihe and any maid/mistress story

>>4419882

It sounds like somebody read Wonder Woman comics recently.

>>4422815
I like the corruption element from ABO dynamics. Especially because it can go both ways, manipulative/rapey top or manipulative/rapey bottom. And I love my devious power-bottoms.
But usually its not much of a "setting".

>>4422815
One of the worst concepts I've ever seen in all of fiction, wish I could go back in time and kill whoever invented it. All of it is just hetero with extra steps and 99.9% of the times it's futa or trans too, that's the kind of crowd it attracts.
I like the concept of heat, but pheromones are kinda retarded and the rapey shit is boring as fuck. I prefer the idea of a woman who goes into heat and then she goes around hunting for women to have sex with. And she is the pushy one, climbing on the face of her partner and riding the other's fingers with abandon, holding her by the wrist to keep her in place.
But it hits even harder when it's less common thing and not applied to literally the whole planet like futaverse shit. That kills the whole special and exotic aspect of it.

>>4428874
I forgot to add that I prefer when both women in a couple have the potential to get pregnant, not only one. And no boring top/bottom garbage, that's for faggots and hets

I feel like a lot of what I've read ITT happens in X-Piratez

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>>4413363
I'm happy to see a thread like this! Wasn't sure if many others tend to imagine yuri-centric worlds and such. A general idea I was playing with recently:

>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
Fantasy.

High fantasy with lots of magic, D&D-esque world. The "good" region where heroines would be from is a kingdom (Queendom?) where the entire population is female.

>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them? Dead? Turned gay? Etc.
Men are the enemy, basically. They're the 'other', and the threat to be opposed by heroines and the female queendoms and such.

Races can be 'female-aligned' or 'male-aligned'. Female races are exclusively female, and women from them are able to impregnate each other through magic yuri sex or what not. These would include pretty and traditionally good-aligned races like Elves, Fairies, Mermaids, etc. Male races, by contrast, have a majority male population with some females they use to propagate. These races would include those like Orcs, Goblins and the like.

Humans would probably have female-aligned variants and male-aligned variants. The former being all-female yuri cultures, and the latter being male-dominant cultures similar to most historic Human civilizations.

Basically the main conflict in this world would be female vs. male - with the 'yuri' side functionally being like the 'good-aligned' forces in a fantasy world, with the 'male' side being the evil-aligned forces. Heroines would be rallying the female races and cultures, fighting off male enemies, supporting Goddesses, opposing Male demons and deities, etc...

>Too long for one post

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>>4429491
>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
Men do not exist in female-aligned races/nations in this world (because they are evil and gross and incompatible with the ways of yuri.) Relationships between women are lovey dovey, and the social hierarchy in female civilizations is quite harmonious.

In male-aligned races/nations, women are oppressed and fought over by dominance-hungry men. Competition between men is the rule of the day.

>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized? What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
There are no straight girls in the female-aligned parts of the world, yuri is just normal. As mentioned before, women are able to impregnate each other because magic or something.

As for why this is the case - I haven't thought too hard about the specifics, but it probably is tied to the history of this world and its deities. Maybe males and females were two separate races at the creation of the world, and have been in conflict with each other forever.

The female side would ultimately triumph and males would probably be wiped out like Orcs in a fantasy setting - happy ending - but it would be a drawn-out, difficult fight to get there. So lots of heroines going on quests and big dramatic wars and such. One idea I like is heroines having to awaken Goddesses who were sealed away by men/male Gods and such. Goddesses who would probably be quite peeved and vengeful once brought back.

Probably not for everyone here, but I've always liked this sort of "yuri against the world" theme. Or imagining it all being kinda 'female vs. male', which this is definitely leaning into.

Yes. I create a Yuri with women and women only. I will post if I get 4chan gf or wife. I m serious. 1 wife 1 chapter

>>4419987
I like it

>>4413363
>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
High fantasy, magic exists as a equivalent to the modern luxuries of our real world, not unlike your typical isekai fantasy
>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them? Dead? Turned gay? Etc.
Still exist but they only make up the minority of the world population
>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
Better than in the real world actually, not much sexism or opression against neither sexes and relations are relatively peaceful
>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized? What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
Always have been a normal thing in society but it did started becoming more and more the norm thanks to some subtle divine meddling, all the major deities are female and the Goddess of Love in particular, while not being a godess of lesbians in specific, is a big yuri fangirl who heavily favors women over men

>>4435719
I'm a big fan of males being a minority of the population in settings like this. (If they have to be around at all)

What are your ideas for how that comes about, though? Some magical evolution - like humanity becomes more female as we become more attuned to magic, since femininity is more aligned with magic? Or was it just always that way in this universe?

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In a science babies society that still require pregnancy, how do a couple decide which one of them gonna carry the baby?
Also since the baby have 2 mothers, what'd she call her mother who give birth to her? birth mother? There should be a term for it.

>>4437244
Probably mom/mama/ma/mommy or some variation on that

>>4428874
I think it can be done well but it just usually isn't. It's really just another writing dynamic but people use it as an excuse for futa. It could be interesting in settings for something like historical fiction with
arranged marriages but it tends to put itself into a small window for how things play out that turns into essentially the same as het most of the time. Definitely agree with you on the top/bottom shit though. I've been seeing it way too often here, and they're even putting it in manga now. It's strange

>>4439519
Top and bottom have been concepts since the existence of lesbians anon... Obviously most of the time lesbians are switches to some degree who will take part in pleasuring each other, but there are plenty of real life pillow princesses and hard tops who want to be in control.

Omegaverse garbage doesn't have tops/bottoms, it has literal genetically predisposed classes, which just happen to follow unchangable top/bottom dynamics. Obviously this more extreme version of a real life concept will atrract some people. Even if it's pointless if there is no choice in the matter.

>>4437244
Birthmother = mother
Other mother = omother

>>4437244
>In a science babies society that still require pregnancy
Yes.

>>4437244
>how do a couple decide which one of them gonna carry the baby?
Optimally intense and vicious negotiations between their families over bloodline rights.

>>4446785
Sounds stupid at first, but you could add some social quirks to that. "Omother" being treated more like the secondary parent and being seen as more distant. During divorce the child would more often stay with the birthmother etc. And conversely a child who has a stronger relationship with her Omother being something out of the ordinary and attention grabbing.
Or even to the point where a child calls her Omother just mother to show the stronger bond.

>>4447511
Why would they just not both get pregnant then?

>>4413715
Ultimately it’s about variety

/u/ has more dumb teenagers than ever now so you’ll probably see a lot of comments supporting /u/-only settings that are mainly motivated by juvenile political beliefs

But that shit would be boring as hell if every story followed that formula

>>4456796
I'm 30 and I want women only yuritopias because I like yuri.

>What kind of setting is this? Sci-fi? Fantasy? Alternate History? Close to real life?
High magic fantasy, with elements of the Revolutionary and Civil wars mixed with the aesthetics of the 1920s/30s. (This is primarily an American based setting.)

>Are men still around? Regardless of yes or no, what has happened to them? Dead? Turned gay? Etc.
"Men" are a concept only seen in nature from non-sapient life. Animals have men, that's why the sapient races are special, cause they only have women! It is where they get their strap-on ideas though... (The precursor race (humans) both invented these races as servents, soliders, and ect but made them all biologically sterile. They also invented a method of science babies (magic babies?) When humans died out/left, so too did the males of the new races as only the female/female conception was easily replicateable, but all this was way before written history so no one even knows what a "man" is anymore.)

>If men are around, are women the dominant gender or are they equal, or worse, oppressed?
There are no men. This setting borrows EXTREMELY loosly from Omegaverse (Just heats and ruts, as well as pack centric romances, but terms like Alpha/Beta/Omega refer to class and privilege which in of itself is supposedly (falsely) linked to how submissive/domiant someone is, and has no biological foundation. NO FUTA DICKS ALLOWED.)

>How did lesbianism become normalized/institutionalized? What happens if a girl identifies as straight?
That is simply how it is. Evidence that they are a higher race then the animals as evident from the divine. The closest approximation to a "straight" woman is one who is aro/ace, which does exist.

Gonna start ranting now:
This setting takes place in very far future America, where after some time each state is roughly divided into islands as their own countries. Everyone has magic, and can build upon it in a cultivation like manner (more similar to shonen anime than Wuxia, but borrows some concepts.)

>>4462284
But as with any skill that is both complicated and deadly, many simply don't have the time/effort/resources dedicated to studying it, and even warrior types really only learn to draw from it in a simplistic manner, with a few complicated gimmicks here and there.

With over 48 countries jammed pack together, constant war and strife is self evident. However things are gearing up for a conflict to end all conflicts: two Alpha Queens are trying to arrange a super massive war of (mostly) two sides, for a lot of complicated reasons but they both want to become the first Empress of the entire Americas.

There are actually many several ways to create a baby, most do need a partner (at least 2 people, but some can include more) but there are a special few ways that are basically cloning.

Other than that, that story follows what basically amounts to a wild child as she bumbles her way across the world, making allies because despite her overwhelming strength (respectively, this isn't gonna be a power fantasy, she's gotta EARN that happy ending) she is actually hopelessly submissive, and instead of the usual pack that forms with the most sexually dominant one in the center, it is the most submissive one.

And yes, they are all dog-girls and cat-girls, with some other pets and domesticated animals in the mix like rat-girls, but like 85% mainly the first two. I NEED the love interests to stare at her ass as her tail wags like crazy.

Any questions?

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>>4462284
>aro/ace, which does exist

It's unfortunate that this thread just proves /u/ has shit taste and has an unhealthy obsession with men. You don't need men in your setting, perverts.

>>4462374
Except for the bait posts, nobody wants or cares about men in this yuri world. OP is a fucking moron for giving people an avenue to bait though.

>>4462313
They only make up like 2%of the population, and most are either aro or ace but not both. And due to having no other genders, no stupid identity politics. More of a "dang, this girl won't let me smash... oh look another cute girl!" deal. Matter of preference.

>>4462374
Like another anon said, I think it's about preference. I prefer my settings to be /u/ only, mainly for the lesbian shenanigans but also to remove any possibility of disgusting men coming in and ruining something good. Sadly most yuri obsteably have men in them that executives can use to... actually I'm kind of agreeing with you now...

>>4413691
Morons actually thinks lesbian femmes dont exist or the femme is somehow a look made to appeal to men.... this post was typed by a male for sure.

>>4462374
Real proof of obsession with men is being so paranoid about them that you feel the need to create a world without any.

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>>4462398
>you feel the need to create a world without any

>>4462398
That's stupid and you didn't even think that out.

So many ways to write a setting without man yet the bait post on here does it even including sex with them eww.
The fact that the bait posts are still up proves why we dont get more pure lesbian/yuri stories ,ade.

hey sisters, instead of talking about men on the yuri board, why don't we, oh I don't know, talk about the subject of yuri worldbuilding?

crazy idea I know, but it just kinda came to me. kinda weird right, talk about lesbians where we're supposed to talk about lesbians?

>>4462655
Sorry anon, didn't you know women aren't allowed to be lesbians unless they're fucked at least a dozen men first? Don't worry, you'll learn how all this works soon enough.

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>>4462649
>>4462658

>>4462666
Hopefully now that you're paying attention, you'll stop wanting women to fuck men.

>>4456796
>juvenile political beliefs
correct ones, more like

>>4466946
What a juvenile way of thinking.

>>4466969
Love to hear what yours is since you wanna act like an arbiter

>>4466972
The youth always thinks that radicalism is the only way forward. As you grow older you start realising that ideals are cheap and never quite practical to apply. That's when you realise that striking balance is essential life, not just putting all you have in one plate.

>>4466891
Remember the fucking board you are on tourist. Futanari is not acceptable on /u/.

>>4466977
What empty non-comittal nothingness you love to spout. A women only society is completely correct and has nothing to do with political beliefs, you waste of oxygen. Just because you are a man and want so badly insert yourself into a female culture and lesbianism does no mean you can wax on about how a world without men is bad. It just makes you look desperate.

>>4466977
>a sellout coping by thinking everyone is the same as her and that selling out is natural and mature
Pathetic. Don't you even try using age to justify being a sheep, there're many elder people radical enough to make even a dumb centrist like you seem like a hitler.

>>4466980
Communism is also completely correct.

>>4466988
Someone who at 50 thinks the same as when they were 20 just wasted half their life.

>>4466993
Only idiots think they need to change facts to make themselves feel different. Some things are true whether you are 20 or 50 and yuri with an all-female cast is one of the most obvious correct ways to write a story.

>>4466993
Whatever you need to tell yourself to be able to live with being a sellout, I guess.

>>4467001
>all-female cast
It's not about an all-female cast. Read the reply chain instead of butting to be obnoxious.

>>4467007
>/u/ only setting
>not inherently an all-female cast
Go on, explain what you meant.

>>4467010
It's about the setting, not the cast. Were you dropped on your head as baby?

>>4467023
The setting itself can't be yuri, as yuri is the relationship between the characters inhabiting the setting. Having a /u/ only setting is a way of implying an all-female cast because there's nothing else in the setting that can be yuri other than the inter-cast relationship. Anything else to say or are you done pretending to be stupid?

>>4467026
>aving a /u/ only setting is a way of implying an all-female cast because there's nothing else in the setting that can be yuri other than the inter-cast relationship
And how is this not true of normal settings too?

>>4467028
Because normal settings have other types of relationships besides /u/. You know, het, bi, pan, etc.

>>4467030
And how does that affect yuri at all? Do you think every story needs to include every aspect of its setting at all times?

>>4467034
It doesn't affect yuri, but such setting is no longer /u/ only.

>>4467036
Then what even is the point of a female-only setting if it doesn't affect yuri at all?
That's the problem, it's window dressing. It feels redundant because so many yuri stories already have zero male presence without the need of saying "there are no men anywhere". It's mistaking a stylistic choice for worldbuilding.

>>4466977
I'm so glad you're stupid enough to say this with your whole chest. You can have nuance to your beliefs but you still have to actually take a side loser.

Women only societies is a good thing, cope

>>4467042
Just because it's a good thing doesn't mean it makes for a good idea for a story. A setting only feels believable and organic if it includes both bad and good things.

>>4467041
>Then what even is the point of a female-only setting if it doesn't affect yuri at all?
>female only setting
What the fuck are you even talking about? Can you actually read the post before replying?

>>4467044
That is completely false. A setting feels believable and organic through good, well thought out writing.

>>4467044
>A setting only feels believable and organic
What is and isn't believable is purely, entirely, 100% subjective.

>>4467047
So you are in fact admiting that you didn't read the reply chain at all and only butted in to be obnoxious.
>>4413715

>>4467044
> if it includes both bad and good things.
Do you know that women can still do bad things without men involved?

Seriously what do you legit think women cannot do without male influence? Cause it sounds like you think women are pure angels and not people

>>4467063
Men and women are fundamentally different. An evil man and an evil woman could do the same evil act, and still be perceived differently, especially in a genre like yuri.

>>4467064
Yes but the point is they still do it. Men do not have to exist for them to do it. That is the point. That perception still varies from person to person dingus.

You just can't stand the idea that there's even a fictional world with no male influence

>>4467061
Holy shit, you are actually a moron. I get that you were utterly btfo earlier and all these stupid questions you've been asking this whole time since could only have bought you so much time to come up with a way to exist this exchange without looking like you're running away with your tail between your legs but if this is the best you could do then you're even dumber than I thought.

>>4467071
You could have said "I was wrong and didn't know what this discussion is about because I didn't read a single post in this thread", but you chose to double down.

>>4467072
You were wrong and you did not know what this discussion was about because you didn't read a single post in this thread. The posts are right there in case you want to stop being a petulant baby, go backwards through all the replies and read the whole thing however many times you need to understand them, and admit you were wrong, even if only to yourself.

I think this might actually be the worst thread on /u/ right now.
Dick lovers really gotta come to the yuri board to post their filth and ruin everything.

>>4467075
Never trust anyone who's not on board with an all-female /u/topia.

>>4467075
It's sad really. Moid behavior at its finest

>>4467073
>nuh uh, you are wrong
Grow up. I already showed you the original post that started this chain, and you haven't retorted in any way other than plugging your ears.

>>4467076
Because utopias are boring, they don't make for interesting settings at all.
An all-female world is too far removed from the normal human experience to feel like anything other than a porn setting.

>>4467078
>no u
God, if this is how defensive you get whenever you get btfo on the internet maybe you need a break. And as always, since you seem so insistent on conveniently ignoring this part, but the whole exchange is right up there, including the post where you fucked up and gave up your act, so I wonder how long you gonna play dumb about it.

>>4467081
Yuritopia is a term from kindred spirits you uncultured fuck
>to feel like anything other than a porn setting
Really outing yourself here

>>4467081
I guess a /u/topia is indeed too far removed from what is normal experience of a typical bislut, what's with the lack of dicks and all.

>>4467081
I guess you think lesbians are just a purely sexual fetish. And yes, a utopia would be a very interesting setting that I would gladly read, you little pervert.
Leave /u/.

>>4467083
>>4467086
The original post already put it well; in a yuri-only world there is no gender or sexuality struggle, no clear defition of lesbianism because there is no other choice, no dilemma about the boundaries of female friendship and lesbian attraction, etc.
All of those things come from living in a heteronormative society. If you take them away, what's left? Just bland romance? It's sucking away everything that makes yuri unique by turning it into the norm rather than the special.
What exactly can be done in a female-only-setting that can't be done in a normal setting? I don't see fujos writing about male-only worlds.

>>4467086
Are you the same fetish schizo from the RR thread?

>>4467088
Because fujos are straight women usually dingus.
>no gender or sexuality struggle
As much I as I like those themes you already don't find them in most yuri. So again your hang up is being upset there isn't a world with male influence.

>>4467092
Plenty of straight women write yuri.

>>4467089
No that's the person she's responding to

>>4467095
Yes but we both know that they are different groups

>>4467086
That's a pretty retarded take, given that it can easily be turned around by saying that you're so obsessed with men in a sexual level that you can't even fathom lesbianism with men around.

>you little pervert
Can't tell if a person who would type this without any hint of self-awareness would need to be 5 or 50.

>>4467088
All the good yuri I read doesn't have that stupid bullshit. If characters have fun and good chemistry, there doesn't need to be penises.
Seriously I don't get why you don't understand this. Are you in some kind of closet or something? It's okay to enjoy gay shit these days.

Think of Sorawo and Toriko's relationship. There's nothing related to men in that relationship, their deal is that Sorawo is a silly little dingus who thinks being lovers is too common and she wants to be a special little snowflake and Toriko's old relationship with Satsuki. That is a very interesting relationship that I enjoy greatly and you don't have any dicks! Wow!

>>4467101
Lesbians can exist while men exist.
But what I'm saying is that yuritopias can exist and would be interesting and fun if well written.
Men are not necessary. My obsession with lesbians is not secretly some kind of warped obsession with men, when I think of yuritopias, I don't even consider the possibility of men, you people are so obsessed with men that you accuse me of also being obsessed with men.

You cannot wrap your head around a women only civilization and it's utterly baffling that you cannot, it's a very simple concept.

>>4467108
Because humans are at their core a sexually dimorphic species with two sexes, and this is also a central part of yuri given its history. If there are no males, that means there are no females either, so there is no such thing as feminity and all other things associated with yuri. Such a world wouldn't even have words for female or feminity or lesbianism because there wouldn't be males to serve as the contrast. They wouldn't be human lesbians but an alien species with one sex. It's the very definition of a "magical realm" type of world.
Most of the time these settings come across as the writer being so deathly afraid of males and potential heterosexuality that they have to erase them altogether. That is obsession, if you weren't obsessed with men then you wouldn't mind their presence.

>>4467104
>Think of Sorawo and Toriko's
They don't live in a female-only world so that's a terrible example.

>>4467121
It's an example of lesbians engaging in a relationship that doesn't have anything to do with men that's still interesting, which must confuse you very much.

>>4467119
You're insanely stupid and projecting your own feelings and beliefs on others as if they were fact.
I say again and for the last time, I am obsessed with lesbians, not men and desiring a setting where men do not exist does not mean I have an obsession with them, which should be obvious.
Since you're so dumb, I'll use a food analogy. I want to eat a burger, I have no desire to eat chicken, thus I must be obsessed with chicken because I only want burgers and not chicken. This is what you think.
I'm done with you idiots, this thread could have been fun but you creeps always gotta ruin shit.

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>>4467119
This is terrifying to you some how

>>4467088
>no dilemma about the boundaries of female friendship
What? But this just makes the dilemma of friendship even worse, the boundary between friendship and romance it's even thinner and you can easily cheat emotionally with your friends.
>What exactly can be done in a female-only-setting that can't be done in a normal setting?
A lot of things. Arranged marriages, bloodlines, and even more things if you can manage to make a good or decent worldbuilding, the way that the world got to that point or how the world developed like that are interesting enough scenarios to have a story

>>4467122
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

>>4467124
But you wouldn't create a world where chicken doesn't exist at all, because that would be retarded. It would mean that you're so scared of chicken that the mere fact that it exists means that you can't enjoy your burger at all, and that can't be called anything other than obsession or paranoia.

>>4467127
That's a future where lesbian families became common, it's not a world where men have never existed.

>>4467138
This is still somehow utterly terrifying to you
>>4467137
You keep defending the evil rather than the necessity of it

>>4467129
>Arranged marriages, bloodlines
Witch from Mercury had that and it didn't need to create a world where men don't exist for it, just a future where lesbianism is commonplace and accepted.
Here's a little tip: you don't NEED to include men in a story if you really don't want to. Yuri manga already do this by having every visible character be female, without any need to establish that men don't exist at all. That's why I said that the idea of a female-only world is redundant in regards to yuri; if you don't want your story to have men, just don't put them in, nobody is forcing you to include men just because they exist, not anymore than you should include platipy because they happen to exist.

>>4467140
There's nothing terrifying about it, it's a natural evolution of the modern world, not an author's magical realm created because they find men terrifying.

>>4467141
>nobody is forcing you to include men
Really sounds like you are though

>>4467142
Great then go make your yuri with heaps of men in it and fuck off out of here

>>4467119
>Such a world wouldn't even have words for female or feminity or lesbianism because there wouldn't be males to serve as the contrast. They wouldn't be human lesbians but an alien species with one sex. It's the very definition of a "magical realm" type of world.
what do you like about yuri, anon?
that you can call the characters female/lesbian/human/physical as opposed to male/heterosexual/alien/magical?
you sound like you're the one obsessed with men here, since you seem to think that the appeal of yuri would be lost without them

>>4467143
There's a vast difference between having men as characters and simply having a world where men exists.

>>4467145
The appeal of yuri is love between girls, but in a world without males, the very concept of a "girl" wouldn't exist at all. They would have a completely different culture from real humans, to the point where their interactions and conception of love would be alien to us, closer to bonobos than humans maybe.

>>4467154
>>4467155
Again you keep defending the evil itself rather than the necessity of the it. Might as well call it a post male age so your retarded ass can shut up

>>4467156
>defending the evil itself rather than the necessity of the it.
What exactly is the difference? If you're defending evil, then it's to be assumed that you're arguing for its necessity.

>>4467124
To give you a better analogy: imagine a fantasy world that looks mostly the same as the real world, but the author claims that it's completely flat.
I can suspend my disbelief to accept such a concept, but it will never feel quite right because I know that there are many aspects of the world that are that way because of the planet's spherical shape, and wouldn't work at all on a flat disc. It's not a dealbreaker, but it does make the setting feel less real, less immersive.

>>4467141
>Witch from Mercury had that
Only the arranged marriage thing and it wasn't really explored the bloodline thing. Even the saintess manga had something like that precisely because there are no men in that world.

>>4467159
>>4467158
So you have been sperging out the entire time. No wonder that you can't imagine a male free world

>>4467159
NTA but that depends on the skill of the author. To me having a way to make babies between woman without the need of male involvement and still have men around after like 5 centuries it's much less inmersive if you follow the most likely trends in our world.

>>4467088
>in a yuri-only world there is no gender or sexuality struggle
Correct, and that's a good thing
>no clear defition of lesbianism
False
>no dilemma about the boundaries of female friendship and lesbian attraction, etc.
Correct, and that's a good thing
>If you take away the garbage bits, what's left?
Only the good bits.
>everything that makes yuri unique
Nothing makes yuri unique. Lesbianism is what makes yuri yuri, everything else is the identical across yaoi, het and yuri.
>What exactly can be done in a female-only-setting that can't be done in a normal setting?
The lack of moids, bisluts and hetsluts, that's what.
>I don't see fujos writing about male-only worlds.
Who gives a shit about fujos and what their cock obsessed selves do and don't do.

>bislut is literally unable to even conceive of a world without men
Typical

>>4467155
>The appeal of yuri is love between girls, but in a world without males, the very concept of a "girl" wouldn't exist at all.
so you wouldn't like the same thing if it was called a different name?
>They would have a completely different culture from real humans, to the point where their interactions and conception of love would be alien to us
we're talking about fiction here, and in fiction you can obviously have girls in love with girls in a world with or without males, realistic or fantastic, etc...; in fact there's already stories exactly like that
so the only way i can rationalize your complaints is that you can't find such stories believable, so even though they can be exactly like the yuri you'd normally like otherwise, you are unable to enjoy them as much
even though i'm the type who doesn't usually think too hard about this stuff, i can see where you're coming from, it's much easier to create a coherent world if you copy all of the core principles of our own, if not very creative
however, something being difficult to do isn't by itself a reason not to do it, especially in the realm of fiction where you can by definition do anything you're able to imagine, and sometimes crafting an elaborate lore justification for why everything works the way it does is just not the point, even a logically impossible setting is as valid a starting point as any for a fictional story
so really what you're asking of people here is to make stories in such a way that you would personally like them more, but different people like different things, so it's not an argument that holds much ground

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>They would have a completely different culture from real humans, to the point where their interactions and conception of love would be alien to us, closer to bonobos than humans maybe.

>>4467314
>The lack of moids, bisluts and hetsluts, that's what.
You can have that in a world where they exist too.

>>4467350
>you can have a world without X in a world where X exist too
?

>>4467363
Do you think every story needs to show everything that exists within its setting? If you don't want those people you can simply ignore them instead of creating a world where they don't exist, which is what the vast majority of yuri manga already does.

>>4467386
>I specifically want a story set in a world without X
>ok, but you should want a story set in a world with X instead because, uhhh... because I said so!

>>4467350
>>4467386
>You can have that in a world where they exist too.
>Do you think every story needs to show everything that exists within its setting?
Not anon, but this makes no sense. The majority of yuri manga SHOW that men exist. They are background characters in classrooms, or on the street, or are teachers or fathers shown in some scenes. Almost none of the-world-where-they-don't exist series have a character outright state that men or hets don't exist. They are assumed to be that because they don't ever show any.

If you are "ignoring them" (i.e. not depicting them) then you are by omission implying a world where they do not exist, and the longer it goes on, the heavier the implication gets.

>>4467394
Dude stop sperging out and kill yourself. No one cares that you find the lack of men as "non believable"

>>4467398
I can tell you struggled with reading comprehension in school.

>>4467393
>>I specifically want a story set in a world without X
Okay, but why? Why create a world completely devoid of X when the existence of X can simply be ignored? It's entirely redundant, and a misunderstanding of how stories work.

>>4467394
>Almost none of the-world-where-they-don't exist series have a character outright state that men or hets don't exist. They are assumed to be that because they don't ever show any.
Just because they don't appear doesn't mean they don't exist at all. There are of course exceptions (like Sengoku Otome or Muryoku Seijo) but you shouldn't mistake the story's stylistic choices with actual worldbuilding.

>>4467401
>Okay, but why?
Because I like it.

>>4467400
And everyone here can tell your need for men in lesbian media is embarrassing

>>4467401
>stylistic choices
It isn't a stylistic choice if it's ever-present. The two are not completely independent of each other.

If you write a manga and nearly every character wears a sun hat in each chapter regardless of whatever they are doing, it ceases to be just "the author likes sun hats, don't read into it", it becomes implied that it is a large feature of the setting, and with each additional chapter and situation where various characters are wearing sun hats, the more entrenched the idea that it's a feature of the setting becomes. A oneshot not having guys can be passed off as a stylistic choice, a 70 chapter manga where there isn't one ever seen in any setting can't. It becomes a feature of the setting and a feature of the setting IS worldbuilding.

>>4467411
Where in that post did I say anything about how men should be added to lesbian media, you fucking subhuman ESL brainlet?

>>4467415
Whatever loser, just go to /a/ then since you like men so much

>>4467401
>Why create a world completely devoid of X
Of Y, but the reason it's because it can be interesting. A lot of thing could change in a world like that but at the same time it can have things work the same way that they work in our world but with a twist, also a little reminder to see in which thread you are.

>>4467404
Do as you wish, but such arbitrary choices make the world feel less like a living, breathing place and more like the author's personal dreamland.

>>4467426
>but such arbitrary choices make the world feel less like a living, breathing place
False, but thanks for your contribution to the thread's bump limit!

>>4467425
That's being quite generous and overrating the skill of writers who wold come up with an all female-world, they're not thinking about all the logical consequences of such a setting.

>arbitrary choices
All choices are arbitrary, dumbass.

>>4467433
Not if you write a well-thought out reason for it in-universe. Fiction is meant to feel real, that's why people hate things like asspulls or plot holes, anything that breaks immersion by reminding you that you're reading a story written by a fallible human. Like a good magic trick, a good story should fool you into thinking that it happens naturally without intervention of a writer.
A good worldbuilder carefully considers the consequences of elements they introduce in their world and how it interacts with everything else, not the JK Rowling way of introducing whatever idea crosses your mind for the current plot.

>>4467432
>they're not thinking about all the logical consequences of such a setting.
Yes that's one of the reasons as to why we have this thread, to discuss how a world like that could work. With some luck some japanese author or game dev will read our ideas and maybe take a thing or two for their work.

>>4467415
Not when you take into account that omitting men in yuri is common decency. Avoiding showing men falls just within the area of believability in most contexts, unless it's a place where men would be expected to be no matter what.
MahoAko for instance, has never shown any males (because of its strong sexual aspect), but never in a context where the total absence of men lacks a plausible reason. As long as no character calls attention to it, it remains a stylistic choice of the author and not a feature of the setting.

>>4467436
>a well-thought out
>feel real
>asspulls or plot holes
>immersion
>happens naturally
>thinking that it happens naturally
All of these? Completely subjective. You have no argument other than appeal to vague notions you've read about in an english lit class or whatever which are nothing but a person's own subjective tastes disguised as some objective metric. Useless for anything it claims to apply to but good for a nice ego shlick, i guess.

>>4467436
> Fiction is meant to feel real, that's why people hate things like asspulls or plot holes
>A good worldbuilder carefully considers the consequences of elements they introduce in their world and how it interacts with everything else
No, a good worldbuilder simply makes an interesting and engaging setting. Most people are not extremely autistic and terminally online and do not care much about plot holes. It is sort of ironic that you'd bring JK into this, when she represents evidence directly against the point you are making; a setting that is full of asspulls and plot holes and where plenty of stuff makes little logical sense.. that is still a setting widely beloved as a setting. Ditto basically any enduring and well-liked setting. Star Wars, LotR, either of the big capeshit settings, D&D.

No one believes the "carefully detailed realism" meme beyond creative writing academics and spergs. People don't read fiction for realism, they read it for fiction. Even autism-heavy settings like 40k coast on the fact that such autistic focus on coherent details is relegated to secondary media like niche books most people don't ever bother engaging with and also thrive on retroactively justification to smooth out the experience.

If you write 100 pages on the carefully designed currency systems of a region of fictional fantasy countries, detailing their histories and relative values as tied to the nations' resources and economic specialties all based in real world historical precedent for the establishment and usage of currencies, I promise you your setting will not be a fraction of the "good" that John Wick's retarded bullshit every-third-person-is-a professional-assassin shadow world running inexplicably entirely on gold coins of inconsistent and indeterminate value.

Good worldbuilding is unique and makes people want to know more or think about it more, realism and methodical logic application mean little.

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>>4467451
>that is still a setting widely beloved as a setting.
Because it's babby's first fantasy setting, and anyone who isn't blinded by nostalgia has already found a million more cohesive settings.

>>4467447
Asspulls and plot holes are definitely not subjective, they are an objective break in a story's internal logic.

>>4467506
You can intellectualize your subjective tastes and preferences all you want, they're still subjective.

>>4467517
A character knowing something they had no way of knowing is not subjective, to name one possible example.

>>4467561
>A character knowing something they had no way of knowing is not subjective
The act itself may not be, but it being or not being a "break in a story's internal logic", an "asspull" or an immersion breaking detail most certainly is.

>>4467760
>break in a story's internal logic
That's the very definition of what a plot hole is. There's nothing subjective about it, it's just a plain description of what it is.

>>4467783
What you call "internal logic" is just a collection of your own personal assumptions and assertions about the intentions of the work/author and what and how the story should be projected onto the work itself and disguised with a thin layer of intellectualizing. Whenever a story deviates from whatever way you assumed it should work, whenever it includes something you think it can't cause it would contradict whatever rules or intentions you asserted the story is supposed to follow, you call it "inconsistent with the story's inner logic".

An example of this: a story set in a medieval-coded setting includes things that either didn't exist or never happened at all in medieval times. People, assuming author's intention was going for the perfect historical accuracy, accuse the work of being anachronistic or ahistorical, the author of making a mistake, and the story of "not making sense" and consider it an objective failure of what they assumed was one of the story's intention. Meanwhile author never intended the story to be an accurate representation of medieval period, merely aesthetically inspired by but not limited to it. Thus the people ended up drawing the wrong conclusion about a story because they projected their own false assumptions about author's intent and what the story should be.

Another example: somebody took their friend to cinema to see a romantic comedy but told them it was a detective story. The friend, having already formed some expectations appropriate of an detective story, would likely be immensely critical of the movie they ended up at for "contradicting the internal logic" they assumed it, as a detective story they though it was, supposed to follow. Yet the movie may not have contradicted the "internal logic" of a romantic comedy that it actually was. The friend's assumptions and expectations informed their subjective opinion of the story, an opinion which they can then intellectualize and slap media criticism buzzowords all over later.

>>4467812
It doesn't have to be anything nearly as complex as that. Like I said before, a character knowing something they couldn't possibly know is the quintessential plot hole. If there is no conceivable way the character could have learned that information (including preternatural ways established within the setting), then the author has made a mistake. The logic of the story has been broken, and that's what we call a plot hole.
1+1=2 is not an assumption, it's an objective fact like most basic things about the world, and not following it breaks internal logic. Of course, an author could create a world in which 1+1=4, which would be break in external logic, but could create its own internal logic if kept consistent. But all stories by default follow the logic of reality unless explicitely stated otherwise.
In summary, if it looks like an author fuckup, and quacks like an author fuckup, then it's an author fuckup. There's no benefit in coming up with mental gymnastics to justify what's obviously a case of human failure.

>>4467830
First of all, nice of you to talk past all the points I've made in my post and simply repeat what you've already said and what I've already addressed in the very post you've essentially ignored. Very productive way to conduct a conversation!

>It doesn't have to be anything nearly as complex as that.
There's nothing complex about what I wrote. It's simply correct.

>1+1=2 is not an assumption, it's an objective fact like most basic things about the world
Metaphysics aside, even if we pretend it's true, appealing to something that is objective as an example of something being objective doesn't make the thing you're comparing it to objective in turn. "1+1=2" may be objective, but that doesn't translate to anything you've said being objective just because you've mentioned them both in the same sentence. Pontificating about just how objective this unrelated notion is is a complete and pointless detour that doesn't relate to anything you've asserted, none of which are objective.

I won't repeat myself by respond to the rest since it's just you repeating yourself and I've already addressed that in some form or another in the previous post.

>>4467844
>respond
*responding

>>4467844
>talk past all the points I've made in my post
Because all those points were strawmen that had nothing to do with what I was talking about. For someone objecting to assumptions, you sure made a lot of unfounded assumptions yourself.

>>4467848
>any point that refutes my own is a strawman
Well, isn't that convenient.
>haha I accused you of that thing that I did, feel the power of my NOU
I guess your argument wasn't as good as you though if you had to resort to such cheap tricks. But fine, I accept your concession.