Mother-daughter incest route.Previous thread: >>4426782
>>4532472The previous thread does link not lead to the right thread.Here is the actual previous precure thread:>>4426728(note that 82 and 28 got mixed up)
>episode 1Ok, maybe Itaoka didn't get the memo that they are supposed to be mother and child. That episode was kind of gay even outside of the transformation, but maybe the season's supposed to be platonic with no yuri subtext. Won't stop me from having fun with incest though.>episodes 2-4Aww, sweet, they are bonding as close friends. Also, heh, Anna hired her mom, and Jett called them a good pairing, good old incest fuel.>episode 5What kind of reaction was that?! Anna, that's not how a daughter reacts when her mom is hanging out with her friends!Maybe whatever elaboration on Anna's feelings there will be next episode will make it plausibly platonic but it could make the scene even more yuri.
Oh yeah, as expected they keep double down on AnMiku.Either the first episode is a red herring or their excuse is Anna and this Mikuru is from different timeline, so they can fuc- I mean become couple without breaking timeline.Though I am right now think even if Mikuru is Anna's mother, Anna is adopted and not biological. Their haircolor is different, unlike any other mother-daughter pairing in the franchiseAlso, I am surprised how close the season match Mahoutsukai. As in, in the same episode of Mahoutsukai, they are tackling the same topic.I thought they are going to just stop in episode 1, but no... 6 episodes in and they still follow Mahoutsukai.I want to post a comparison table later, but for now this speak brightly to how much AnMiku we are going to get, because they are going to develop it as much as, if not more than, MiraLiko.
>>4536442There are moms with different hair colors from their Cure daughters like Yayoi's mom, but that's kind of rare. Even if you have a case like Mana and her mom, usually, the dad will have matching hair instead.All that aside, either Murayama and the other higher up staff like the director and producer know that Anna and Mikuru are daughter and mother and laughing their asses off, they know they aren't daughter and mother and still laughing their asses off, or they still somehow haven't decided whether to make Mikuru Anna's mom or not and are laughing maniacally while winging it. I think the mulitple Eclair candidates indicate that they are self-aware of how trollish they are being. I'll just enough the ride and the maybe incest.
>>4538399Saki needs to be disciplined now so she doesn't do anything stupid in the future.
So, is it incest kino?
>>4544314Not 100% sure if Mikuru's is Anna's mom yet, but they pushed that pretty hard last episode. I'm not even sure if they are pushing the yuribait between Anna and Mikuru or the fact that they are mother and child harder this season. I'll enjoy the incestbait while I can, but they are probably either gay for each other or mother and child, not both.
I am sorry, what kind of mom posing like this when her daughter eats Macaron?Is she trying to seduce her own daughter???Especially when Macaron has been staple yuri food since Black Rock Shooter (and Kira Kira, for precure itself).This has to be intentional by the staffs...
>>4545519Why does the mom wear shoes on her sofa? Is she an American?
>>4545769Yes, it's normal for us here.
>>4545498>Not 100% sure if Mikuru's is Anna's mom yetI think the line about Hamburg Steak and eating it very soon pretty much sealed the deal for me. It would be such a strange thing to bring up out of nowhere if they weren't attempting to foreshadow it.
Dokidoki managed to be way more yuri than its predecessor but somehow worse in every other aspects lmao, how did this happen?
>>4545932Mana da bes
>>4545932I can understand not liking Doki even if you're a /u/fag. It's a pretty weird season. I feel like I love it more for /m/fag reasons than anything.Doki being as shamelessly yuri as it is definitely paved the way for Maho going so far as to let the main duo have a kid though.
>>4545932This is partly due to conflicts among the staff, the foolish people who wanted to shoehorn in Het (which they somehow managed to sneak into the novel), and the more sensible people who pushed the yuri in as best they could. The biggest victim is the film, which can only be described, to put it mildly, as a complete disaster.
I hope that Cure Arcana Shadow will be as yuri-inducing as Cure Answer and Mystique are. She'll probably form a duo with Cure Eclair though we'll see how yuri that ends up being soon enough. The toy release schedule implies that Cure Eclair won't appear until late July but it would be funny if Luluka had a bunch of gay flashbacks with her even before she appears properly in the show. I think whichever Cure Eclair candidate Luluka seems to have the most attachment to will be the real Cure Eclair.>>4546057I do like the Doki movie for being a soulful mess (though it's definitely important to say that it isn't /u/ friendly). Honestly, her marrying a guy doesn't stop me from believing that she still has a bunch of wives too just because she's Mana, but that's enough about guys
>>4546057>shoehorn in HetThere were literally almost no male characters, lol. I honestly couldn't see the series having any het element that wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb.
>>4546275One thing I remember is that Joe being in love with Mana as well was an idea by the writer that got shot down early on. This is probably before he was determined to be Marie Ange's fiance, but Mana stealing a fiance from a princess of all things only to seduce one of her fragments would have been funny. Doki's yuri was pretty deranged as it is. There was supposed to be an episode with Alice's brother, and Mana was supposed to have a crush on him I think. That got cut because it wouldn't quite fit with Mana representing agape. He does appear in the novel as a significant character, but Makopi's the one with a blatant crush on him while he treats Makopi as a friend while obviously caring more about Mana. You could say maybe Mana does like him too, and it doesn't really help that Rikka, the narrator, doesn't often comment on Mana's feelings. The only time she does comment on Mana's feelings is whenever Rikka can portray her as being larger than life somehow, which is one of a few reasons why she's an unreliable narrator. I think Alice's brother just likes Mana in a goddess kind of way, and Mana likes him as close platonic friend though. Rikka would never admit it, even as the narrator, but Rikka's clearly the most important person to Mana, though whether that's in a romantic or platonic way is up to interpretation I suppose.
>>4546275>>4546299You guys are ignoring the huge elephant in the room, which the director happily shoved in people's faces in the material after the end of Doki Doki, Nikaido, basically the number one choice of the hetfags to be Mana's canon romantic interest and I'm not kidding, they embraced the movie the way a good Herfaga would, ignoring all the blatant yuri in favor of less than 1 minute of interactions.
>>4546299>Joe being in love with Mana as well was an idea by the writer that got shot down early onI am pretty sure it was the producer who has that idea, which is how we got Blue in Happiness Charge. Doki-doki, HapCha, and GoPri share the same producer so when his idea was shutdown by other Doki Doki staffs member, he pitched it again with Happiness Charge and the new staffs were okay with it. You can trace his idea of older romantic interest keep appearing from Joe to Blue to Kanata, though Blue's bad reception probably why Kanata isn't as romantically relevant in Go Princess.When the producer finally change, we can see the existence of older male Love Interest disappear in Mahoutsukai (in fact they make Kouchou sensei too old to be love interest).>There was supposed to be an episode with Alice's brother, and Mana was supposed to have a crush on him I think.This one is from the writer, which is why Alice's brother finally appeared in the novel. But he always meant to be the "not-love interest" in the sense that Mana and him can never be together.Looking from mirrorview, I think Doki Doki was supposed to be like Hamefura (equal male-female harem members) with Joe, Alice's brother, and that one boy classmate as male LIs and the other Cures + Regina as potential female LIs.But luckily for us, the other staffs manage to convince the producer and writer to drop the male members and left Mana with just the females.>>4546303>which the directorThe movie has different director.TV Series Main Director is Go Koga.Movie Director is Naoyuki Ito.The movie however share the same writer as the TV series (Ryota Yamaguchi). I actually suspect it was the TV director that block the producer and the writer from pushing for Male LI for Mana.
>>4546303>>4546326The writer still refers to the movie in the novel, and it's obviously still canon, but Nikaido himself only gets a couple of scenes and is otherwise mostly irrelevant as usual. He mostly just ends up interacting with Rikka, which is kind of funny. There's no real hint of who Mana's future husband is or even if she was in a real marriage unless you take the fact that she quotes Masaru from Digimon Savers as a hint that he was her future husband all along, which is definitely a ridiculous notion. Maybe she met him during her offscreen training arc, but that also implies she went to a different dimension during that. It's not impossible since the Magical Lovely Pad is said to have that power, but again, it would be absurdist.In the final chapter of the novel, it's clear that Mana chooses to be by Rikka's side, at least for the time being, so I'm happy with that.
>>4546332>>but Nikaido himself only gets a couple of scenes and is otherwise mostly irrelevant as usual.Yes, but remember that hetfags are not intelligent beings (they love Hetcharge, especially in the West, Japan hates that season) that's the problem, not an act of logic or what's best for the series, but the satisfaction of the base instincts of a handful of perverts. Frankly, it's more implausible to see Masaru married to any living being; his life is punching Digimon in the face.
>>4546010Mana is the type of student to remind the teacher of tests and homework.
i dont usually watch precure but i really enjoyed mahoutsukai and hirogaru. on the lily scale, how yuri is meitantei? i keep seeing good things between the pink and some shadow precure.
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>>4547875We don't know how yuri it will end up being. The most prominent yuri coupling so far comes with a ticking bomb that may see them effectively separated forever or at least completely redefine their relationship.It's an interesting ride so far, but if the yuri angle is all you care about, it's probably not for you.
I have two theories. The first one is I think Usonoir is Cure Eclair that get corrupted by Tome of Mirage.Basically the idea is that Luluka and Cure Eclair were partner. Then one day, Luluka went to London to procure some Pre-Kit tools, while Cure Eclair stayed in Japan and discover Tome of Mirage. This corrupted her and turned her into Usonoir.This is why Luluka is working for the Phantom Thief, because she is inflitrating the group in order to find a way to purify Usonoir and bring Cure Eclair back.Usonoir conviniently wear mask, so technically when we see Usonoir is the Phantom Thief HQ, that doesn't necessarily mean Usonoir herself is in the HQ, it could be just the armor is placed there without a person inside it (maybe controlled through magic or something). This allow Cure Eclair to do normal stuff at daytime.Current Luluka's appearance (and Precure form) is actually a disguise to fool Phantom Thief so they won't recognize her, even though she was their close friend before become Phantom Thief.
>>4548064Second theory is I think Anna is going to suffer one more time slip at the end of the season. She will transported even further to the past and has to grow up in the past. She became the original Star Detective that end up inspiring Mikuru.Then few years or few months before episode 1 happens, she meet Pochitan again and finally able to come back to the future.When she returned, to the present, that is when she finally realized that Mikuru is her (adoptive) mother, but now she and Mikuru is the same age again (around 42-43 years old).I have a feeling Mikuru changes her name into Mirai Akechi (Mirai is a synonim of Mikuru, but more commonly used in modern time. And maybe she is adopted by a family named Akechi. Mikuru doesn't seem to have a living parent right now), which explained why Anna doesn't reliaze Mikuru Kobayashi is her (adoptive) parent.
>>4548066I think these two are Anna's biological parent. They have appeared multiple times now, appear in the opening, and both wear shirt with love+wing icon which is the symbol for Cure Answer/Cure Mystique/Pochitan, which is pretty suspicious...
>>4548066>(adoptive)>>4548067>Real parents Please make like a tree and leave
>>4548064I think this is a pretty plausible theory. From toy lines, it's clear that Arcana Shadow and Eclair have history together and that the former is devoted to the latter. There isn't any hint of the other Cure Eclair candidates having history with Luluka, though that might change in a few episodes>>4548066I personally think Mikuru wants to become and knows about Precure because of her grandma since that is where her pendant comes from. Anna being Mikuru's (nonbiological?) grandmother doesn't seem completely implausible, but I assume the woman holding hands with child Mikuru in the op is her grandma and she doesn't resemble Anna. She does resemble Anna's mom, but that's a different can of worms>>4548067Their names were revealed in an earlier episode (3 I think), but neither were Akechi. This almost certainly isn't true unless Akechi is Anna's adoptive last name rather than her original one. That would also discount Mikuru being the mom, unless antics are afoot.
>>4548223>Samefaging now because I don't like being told to leave
>>4548223>woman holding hands with child Mikuru in the op is her grandma and she doesn't resemble AnnaI don't think that is Mikuru's grandmother, I think that is the previous Star Detective. She looks exactly how Mikuru describe the previous Star Detective in episode 1.Though we don't know enough about Mikuru's grandmother to definitively say anything her. She could be the previous Star Detective, but I think she is a separate character.If we are using Mahoutsukai as basis, I think Mikuru's grandmother was a fan of Star Detective, just like Mirai's grandmother was a fan of Magician, but she herself isn't a Detective.
Anna parents are Mikuru and Luluka.This theory is based on nothing but a cheek poke.
>>4548515Real incest mother and daughter route is the only true route.
>>4548683Amusingly, not the least plausible theory of SD I've seen.>>4548926I wish
>>4548683No, Anna is not a surrogate daughter
>>4548683One overanalysis to support Luluka/Mikuru I've seen is that Luluka looks affectionate while poking Mikuru's cheek and stoic while poking Anna's cheek. I don't think it's reasonable, but the speculah for this season is really fun nonetheless.
TIL that Yoshio Kobayashi (Kogoro Akechi's sidekick) is like 12-14 years old, while Kogoro Akechi is 40ish years old.I always thought Kobayashi is the same age as Akechi because people keep calling him the Watson to Akechi's Holmes. The age turns out match with Anna and her mother.And looking at Japanese wiki, in Legend of Fiend with 20 Faces story (though written by different author), Kobayashi become Akechi's adopted son.Yeah, I think I am more confident with the possibility of my "Anna is Mikuru's adopted daughter" theory (though they invert here so Kobayashi is the older girl). >>4548066And apparently there is story that this happened to be a cycle, so Yoshio become the second Kogoro Akechi who then adopted a boy and named him Yoshio Kobayashi. It kinda fit my theory that Anna will transported even further to the past and become the Star Detective that inspired Mikuru.Maybe Anna even become foster mother to Mikuru? If I remember correctly, Mikuru only ever mention her grandmother but not her mother, maybe because she doesn't know her biological mother? Like, is this woman beside Mikuru is adult Anna who taking care of child Mikuru? So technically they are the only girls in this secton of opening? But that would require Anna to change her name, so Mikuru doesn't make connection between them, so for now I don't think it is likely.
>>4551217Go back to /a/ purestfag. Just because you want spats on Diana or liking real incest in your yuri cartoons doesn't make you weird.
Toei: It is time for the obligatory het episode for Precure.Murayama: Okay.Also Murayama: Let's use the het confession to parallel it with yuri.Episode 12 is lowkey probably one of the more yuri episode in Precure. Admittedly it requires knowledge of toy leak that Cure Arcana Shadow knows Cure Eclair, but once you know it, it become very obvious what is happening.When Luluka is talking to Masami, she doesn't look at Masami directly, instead what is centered from her PoV is this blue colored square behind Masami. Blue, as in Cure Eclair is blue.Luluka is talking about her own feeling for Cure Eclair to convince Masami to not throw away her misangga.
>>4551596My theory >>4548064 on Luluka and Cure Eclair is that they were the previous owner of Curetto Agency, but few months before the show started they got separated and Luluka joined Phantom Thief. So this episode confirmed part of it.What I didn't realize when making this theory is that despite only lasted for few months to a year, this is still Murayama's type of separation, in that it has to be very painful for Luluka (and very likely Cure Eclair) and that yearning has made Luluka more obsessed with Cure Eclair. Kinda how in Mirai Days, because Mirai can only wait (as she has no magic) and left the world reunion to Liko, Mirai has become the more possessive of the two.
>>4551597This lyric in the opening "It is Destiny, It is Love", feels like something that Cure Eclair probably said to Luluka before she disappeared, though in Cure Eclair context, the line would probably modified a bit into "This is fate. I love you." as she slowly disappear.As I think Usonoir is corrupted Cure Eclair, I wonder if they are going to change the Usonoir trying to reach out to Luluka menacingly into Cure Eclair trying to reach out to Luluka dramatically?Looking at Mahoutsukai, Usonoir should be defeated around episode 20-24ish, and I think we are going to get 1-3 episode of flashback(s) to when Luluka and Cure Eclair were together and then get separated. It is probably going to be very devastating like always...
>>4551598>and I think we are going to get 1-3 episode of flashback(s)*before or during Usonoir final fightUsonoir is moving very fast right now, so if there is going to be some sort of flashback before the episode 20-ish, it make sense to have Usonoir moves now because the flashback will cut the episodes for the 1999 story.It might be episode 13 is when Usonoir make moves and Cure Arcana Shadow intervene to save the Star Detective, then episode 14-16 we have flashback to Luluka's time with Cure Eclair, before return to present day in episode 17. Episode 18-20 (up to 22 really) are breather episodes (written by secondary author) probably exploring on who is Cure Eclair civilian identity which is also Usonoir civilian identity, then episode 21-22 (or 23-24) are the climax of Phantom Theif as villain.After those episodes we get Cure Eclair in the team, new set of villains, and new opening.Even if I am wrong with the plot, I hope they manage to land it well. And I can't wait for Cure Eclair to finally appear, because a lot of hints for Luluka x Cure Eclair.Meitantei is shaping up to be my second (if not new) favorite after Mahoutsukai.Unless the Maho Girls appear in the third quarter or something, which just make this and Mahoutsukai my favorite precure season
>He still thinks Usonoir is Eclair>Will argue pic related is Arcana/Arcana Shadow or a fifth Precure
>>4551757>Anon is too blind and idiot to notice that Arcana Shadow has butterfly symbol too.
>>4551601With the July deadline revealed with the latest episode, I think they can afford to let all of the May episodes be relatively chill (with the Mother's Day episode as a possible exception). Seriously Anna, what is the deal with your relationship with your mom? I need to know if you want to kiss her or not already...That aside, they could do something really funny and elaborate Luluka's relationship with Eclair in June (Pride Month and all that) with July being the month that the midseason climax happens.>Even if I am wrong with the plot, I hope they manage to land it well. And I can't wait for Cure Eclair to finally appear, because a lot of hints for Luluka x Cure Eclair.My space autism is probably too strong for SD to steal the top spot from Star Twinkle but I do agree that it's a very strong season right now. I could see Luluka and Eclair's relationship possibly pushing it all the way up to my favorite seasons list.
New Kamikita Futago art.I wish they continue to draw Precure despite no longer officially work for Toei.And as usual, Mirai-Liko and Haa-chan are in their own world...
>>4554966Who's the blonde cure between Cure Passion and Sunny?
>>4555048Cure Echo (shame on you)
>>4555049No shame in not knowing some movie-only rando lol.
>>4555056The problem is that she's the main character in New Stage and has a lot of screen time, plus other prominent appearances in other All-Star movies. She herself is mediocre, but a more relevant cure than Infi, the other Precure Idol boy and the entire Dancing Stars cast.
