>>4567569
Why is the Arc 2 Main Story Prologue listed twice OP?

>>4568316
Because OP is a shitposting retard

>>4567569
>movie edition
>movie will never actually release
Ironic

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The movie is never going to release, but when it does I hope it brings some crack fuel.

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>>4569633
it probably will

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i've still never seen MagiReco

>>4569657
Didn't miss much. Only the game and manga are good.

>>4569657
It's not very good. It starts off alright but the ending is a mess.

>>4567661
And still, people claim that true romance is dead.

why is madoka portable and the battle pentagram missing from the op...baka are they already considered ancient and lost history to these newgens?

New movie trailer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD6vwmNvcXo

>>4572969
Homura is not having a great time

>>4573015
being meguca is suffering

Subtitled triler!

https://youtu.be/rSe4mqP1Mj0

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>>4574628

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>>4574628
>The her I wished for
>The me she wished for

Beautiful

>>4571925
>a
They unfortunately have the fate of being relegated to the PSP and PSVita respectively, making them obscure and inaccessible to most fans.

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Choose!
(All of the above +)

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>>4582648

Ready for the movie that will decide the fate of madohomu ?

>>4590715
I honestly don't really care anymore, it's been so long.

>>4590715
If we don't get a MadoHomu good end we have to start a war

I'm ready for disappointment.

What's going on with western theater releases?
I was able to see Rebellion in the US the same month it came out and that was 13 years ago.

>>4591134
I don't wanna go to the theater, it's too hot and there are people outside. I wanna watch it at home in the dark.

>>4591139
it's not hot in the theater dumbass

>>4591308
My nearest theater is 4 miles away and I have to ride a bike, dump ass. And there are still other Humans I have to interact with.

Already prepared to watch a shitty camrip to avoid spoilers

When are we gonna get spoilers

>>4595052
The first "professional" reviewers get to give us vague pointless platitudes without details.

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>>4595052
If you’re browsing JP Twitter for fanart, about two hours.

People are watching Homura's movie right this second!

>>4595205
Seeing spoilers we didn't get anything good yuriwise from it, neither hetero side got anything, just status quo ending going back to anime one.

>>4595240
What's more important is how much fanart the movie will inspire than anything actually in it.

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>>4595240
Yeah, it's literally 'nothing happens: the movie'.
Instead of resolving the stuff people actually care about and have been waiting 12 years for, they spent all screen time on new characters and then pressed the reset button at the end.
Franchise is in permanent milking mode, don't expect the next installments to be any different.
They should've ended everything in Rebellion with Madoka taking Homura to lesbian heaven like it was originally intended, but I guess it's clear now why they pushed the writer to add sequel bait to it instead.

>>4595240
>>4595247
Yet more proof that Madoka sequels were a mistake and that the tv ending should have been left untouched.

>>4595245
That doesn't mean much when we're talking about one of the most popular shows of the past decade that already has millions of fanart. Every idea has been exhausted.

>>4595263
Presumably, the movie explores new ideas. Also, let's not pretend the "exhausted ideas" aren't just multiple fix it fics, tropey aus, or porn. Something will come out.

>>4595247
Wow, that sounds unbelievably lame.

>>4595263
Rebellion is far gayer than TV. Fuck off with this take. Walpurgis fumbling doesn't take any value from Rebellion. People exaggerate how good TV is, anyways
It's good, but nowhere near "untouchable masterpiece, the sequels ruined it" tier

>>4595272
The original series was incredibly good, and Rebellion heavily depended on how Kaiten was going to end because it was incomplete. Judging a show's quality by how much yuri they have is extremely stupid, even on a yuri board.

>>4595274
>the original series was incredibly good
>Rebellion depended on Kaiten's ending because incomplete
Wrong. Rebellion stood on it's own pretty well and even outside yuri was better than the TV show. The more I rewatch, the more I see the TV show as fine but nothing special, meanwhile Rebellion is great every time
>judging a show's quality by how much yuri they have is stupid
back to /a/, retard.
Madoka TV is a copy of Kamen Rider Ryuuki with magical girls and SHAFT visuals. Watch Ryuuki and you'll see TV is nothing special. Rebellion is where it's at it's best and frees itself from the shackles of it's inspiration

>>4595276
Rebellion on its own cannot exist without the context of the tv show, tard. If it was only a movie with nothing else preceding it, it'd be shit. I like MadoHomu too, but it's stupid to pretend Rebellion didn't have a deliberate, obvious cliffhanger ending.

>>4595272
>>4595276
It's not about the quality of the show/movie or even the level of gayness, it's about ruining a perfectly good ending with a continuation that is only ever meant to lead into more sequels rather than having a conclusive ending to the story.

Thank goodness we got Kaguya a few months back, otherwise I'd be depressed that they flunked a once-in-a-blue-moon yuri friendly anime original with budget.

>>4595284
True. Still better than the TV show. The TV ending while not so obvious, is also not as closed as people seem to think it is
>>4595302
>perfectly good ending ruined
Where? Because Madoka TV isn't that.
If Madoka was only the TV show, I'd see it as an interesting show but nothing special and certainly not better than the other dark magical girl shows. It's Rebellion which elevats Madoka for me. I can't seem to see what others see in the TV show

>>4595302
The anime ended in anything but conclusive form; it left a lot of loose ends and a glaringly flawed system that was begging to be sabotaged. Rebellion simply made obvious what anyone could see coming; it doesn't contradict anything.

>>4595355
>>4595361
Madoka was conclusive. Rebellion adding new details about how it worked that were never hinted at before in the original show does not mean the show intended Madoka to have failed, hell the original ending of Rebellion was just Madoka saving Homura and taking her to the LoC before they decided it'd extend the franchise's life longer if they made them enemies, not because they actually intended all along for Madoka's system to be flawed.

>>4595361
>it left a lot of loose ends
Such as?

>glaringly flawed system that was begging to be sabotaged
That's only hindsight from Rebellion. I bet you weren't thinking that when the show ended.

>>4595363
It's not about intentions; if the series had failed, it would have stayed there anyway, but it wouldn't have changed the fact that the system she created is simply terrible, ridiculously flawed. Rebellion just took advantage of something any thinking person could see coming. Personally, I saw that system falling apart at some point back in 2012 (besides, Homura's obsession was anything but healthy or altruistic).
The problem is that the movie is literally proof of how flawed the system is; all the events happened just because the QB locked Madoka up in a "greenhouse effect." I never referred to what Homura did at the end, which only reinforces my point.

>>4595364
>>Such as?
A not-so-good replacement system and a dead character without much reason to do that, plus the wings at the end weren't as super significant or symbolic as people thought; it was just a cool scene, that's all.

>>I bet you weren't thinking that when the show ended.
I saw it coming, ever since Madoka brought up that silly system in episode 12, I knew it would be sabotaged sooner or later. I wasn't really surprised when Rebellion actually took advantage of it, because it was too obvious.

>>4595372
>A not-so-good replacement system and a dead character without much reason to do that
Neither of those are "loose ends". Just because the solution to a problem is not perfect doesn't mean it has to be fixed. Not every story is going to end with everything tied with a bow.

>the wings at the end weren't as super significant or symbolic as people thought
Doesn't that mean they're the very opposite of a loose end?

>I saw it coming
Sure you did, buddy, sure you did.

>>4595366
It was not portrayed as flawed in the original series, especially since there were no technical details about how it worked, provide proof the series ever hinted at it besides Rebellion, the sequel made AFTER the show. Homura's obsession is not an answer because the show makes it clear she moved on (before Rebellion was made) by her talking calmly to Kyubey, smiling as Madoka's brother surprisingly also remembers Madoka which gives Homura closure, and then the last shot of her going off to continue to fight with resolve in her heart.

>>4595366
>all the events happened just because the QB locked Madoka up in a "greenhouse effect."
You don't even remember the movie correctly, stop talking out of your ass.

>>4595372
>a dead character without much reason
Are you the type who thinks just because a character dies it's a bad ending? Sayaka still dying was bittersweet but she got closure, and the message of Madoka's wish was about honoring the wishes of all magical girls and the sacrifices behind them no matter how stupid or tiny they are, without degrading them like the original system had done, which means they still die but without having to become a monster. It's an ending that allows for happiness without becoming too saccharine like fixing the universe's entropy for no cost or something.

>>4595375
Oh wow, you're retarded. Those wings weren't any magical girl shit. They were in the style of witches. Which shouldn't exist at all. Madoka should've come to her before the wings ever manifested.
>>4595374
>not every story is going to end with everything tied with a bow
Which applies to Rebellion and that's why the idea it needed a sequel or that Walpurgis being a nothingburger hurts it to the point it shouldn't exist is retarded

>>4595381
The problem is that Rebellion undid the ending of the show and made Madoka's sacrifice meaningless. Not to mention that Urobuchi outright said that the movie was written with sequels in mind.

>>4595374
>>Sure you did, buddy, sure you did.
Yes, I saw it coming and was quite vocal about it. If I could show you screenshots from forums or recordings of my complaints to a university classmate back in 2012, I would make it clear, but I didn't expect people to still be so obtuse 14 years later.

>>4595377
Did you even watch the movie? The premise and everything that happens was deliberately done by the QB, who wanted to study Madoka as a phenomenon after Homura wouldn't keep quiet about it. So they created a barrier that would trap Madoka once she entered and give her amnesia. That's why there was a point in the movie where Homura thought that Madoka was fake, but QB made it clear that she was real. And yes, QB was the malicious and intentional antagonist throughout the entire movie. Did you even pay attention to the movie, or did you just watch a cam rip and focus on the dwarves throwing tomatoes and the nonsense about "enemies"? All of you who call yourselves fans really don't understand half of this series.

>>4595381
The wings likely indicated some of Madoka's power remaining in her, not Homura witching out.

>>4595375
>>4595378
Honestly, I see the problem: you have an idealized version of this series and not the real series as such. We have to accept many things. First, that Madoka is not perfect; second, that many things fans want from the series don't even come from the TV anime, but from expanded material and material released after the anime, and even from doujinshi and fanfics.

I'm a Madoka fan, I like the series in general, not just the first anime, which honestly at this point I don't care much about, especially with MagiReco giving me a better cast of characters and a more yuri series overall, I'm talking about the incomplete anime.

>>4595382
If you're smart and notice the small details, the original anime and the movies follow different continuities; even the manga is a different continuity as well (taking place in a more normal and less symbolic city and environments, plus Sayaka actually killed the guys on the subway in that one).

I'm not going to continue with this, maybe tomorrow, but I don't have that much time to discuss again something I've been making clear here for years. This isn't the first time I've had this silly anti-rebellion discussion, which also translates as anti-yuri, because the movie destroys the het that the Hetfags pretended was important (no, it never was).

>>4595382
Worth it to make Madoka actually great. I fail to see the problem with "undid ending" and how the sacrifice is meaningless.. The ending wasn't that great and also copied from Ryuuki. Rebellion going for something better, more interesting even if inconclusive is a good move, regardless of shit sequel
If muh conclusive is all that matters, clearly Magia Record anime is great for going for a conclusive ending instead of a cliffhanger to "go read the gacha" (anime never had plans of animating part 2). Are you gonna defend Magia Record anime?

>>4595387
>anti-Rebellion is anti-yuri
Oh, so you're that weirdo. Never mind.

>>4595389
Is true, though
Rebellion being a sequel means it doesn't have to ship Sayaka with the dude,. The show wastes too much time on het Sayaka. Blame the staff for including the violin tard
Rebellion is much gayer. If you want to remove the more openly yuri sequel and keep glorifying the show with multiple episodes of hetshit, I have to question your motivations,.

>>4595388
>The ending wasn't that great
And the Rebellion ending was even worse. Just a return to status quo that undoes all the stakes from the shows, like a crappy fanfic.

>more interesting
LOL, LMAO even.

>Magia Record anime is great for going for a conclusive ending instead of a cliffhanger
In fact, it is. How many shows have the balls to give an adaptation the worst possible ending that fucks every character? It was the most memorable part of that trainwreck.

>>4595417
Kill yourself and stop worshipping a shitty copy of a show for kids. TV Madoka doesn’t deserve it. You don’t even understand Rebellion if you see it as a return to status quo, what stakes do you even mean are undone?
Rebellion is far better than the overrated, over glorified mediocrity called Madoka TV

Of all the things I've worried they could've done wrong with this movie over the last 13 years, the one I'd never imagined was for the great majority of it to not be about Homura and Madoka, this is mind-blowing considering the lengths Rebellion went to set them up for a future conflict.
Instead they were pretty much nu-Nanoha levels of sidekicks while all important developments happen to new filler characters with no lasting importance, then at the very end, as pretty much an afterthought, we are reminded that there was that unresolved matter after all, but forget about even an unsatisfying conclusion, just a couple scenes of more vague sequel-baiting.
So back to square one, enjoy waiting for another decade or so.

>>4595550
Don't worry, there will be a sequel in 2052

>>4595550
>ffiller
To be fair I wouldn't call Walpurgis a filler. She was the big main threat of the original show. But I do agree the movie is very misguided in reducing the OG cast to side status to focus on her and a couple others who are actually filler.
I would say no one was interested or needed Walpurgis lore but I've seen some weirdos theorycraft about it, so I guess those will be satisfied with the narrative here?. Still think that misses the point. Walpurgis was fine as a big threat that couldn't be stopped by normal means and only was stopped by a wish that directly changed the rules of the system and removed witches from the equation. She was fine as a representation of the system needing fundamental change and being hopeless as it was.
Clearly didn't need to waste a whole movie exploring her

>>4595550
I remember an interview with Urobubuchi right after Rebelliion, where he said that he considers Madoka's and Homura's stories finished, as represented by them achieving their ultimate forms.
So you probably shouldn't expect any resolution even if there's another sequel. They're just chasing each other forever now.

>>4595550
>nu-Nanoha
I thought I was the only one who had this feeling. Madoka still does nothing, and the main quintet’s roles keep getting smaller.

>>4595606
>They're just chasing each other forever now
But only Homura ever chases Madoka

>>4595417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgWm5TNeBA

>>4595550
>>4595588
Well, reading your comments I understand the problems, and there are several things to consider. First, the fans aren't really interested in the expanded universe of Madoka and only care about the "main girls" (Homura and Madoka), barely the other four, much less the existence of Walpurgis, which for many was just something more background like the QB.

Second, there was no reason for this movie to take so long if it wasn't going to allude to the things people were expecting, with a clearly blatant open ending. Madoka has already had different forms of spin-offs to allude to things; this should have been an OVA series at least, or a smaller event. But seeing the redesigns and all the fanfare, it's nothing more than brand recognition to generate money through sheer hype.

Personally, it doesn't affect me at all, since I've never really been hyped for the series, just disappointed that they clearly never had a real direction for things.

>>4595546
>what stakes do you even mean are undone?
The deaths. Madoka and Sayaka both died but now they're back.

>Rebellion is far better than the overrated, over glorified mediocrity called Madoka TV
Again, this isn't about quality.

>>4595636
>>he deaths. Madoka and Sayaka both died but now they're back.
Technically no, Madoka became a law or superior entity, Sayaka rather than dying ascended in a similar way, so you can't use the term dead or anything, because that's not what really happened to them.

>>Again, this isn't about quality.
So what is it? I'm already confused by the type of complaints, because if we're talking about the writing and/or the series in general, Madoka TV isn't as great as many claim; a lot about the characters comes from secondary and later material.

I think I'm just gonna ignore everything made after Rebellion and substitute my own canon in.

>>4595637
Just because they exist in an afterlife doesn't mean that they aren't dead. If they can't interact with the real world in a physical way, that's the same as being dead.

>So what is it?
It's about Rebellion adding an unnecesary extension to a satisfactory ending, replacing it with endless sequel baiting.

>>4595645
Come on, you don't have to resort to that silly thinking, you just have to see things more broadly. TV and movies are different continuities, it's that simple because that's how a multiverse works and not just an excuse for cinematic universes.

>>4595651
It's not the same, that's why the return was so plausible in such a straightforward way.

>>It's about Rebellion adding an unnecesary extension to a satisfactory ending, replacing it with endless sequel baiting.
So it's just my personal opinion about the series, I'd prefer Rebellion to be gayer and discredit the possibilities of Het.

>>4595588
>Clearly didn't need to waste a whole movie exploring her
Worked for Joker, will work for Walpurgisnacht.

>>4595633
The movie took so long because SHAFT and Aniplex are managed like utter shit. They can't deliver shit on time if they killed them. The only reason there's a "novel order" vs "anime order" for Monogatari is that the Kizu movies were delayed forever while they kept airing the other arcs in TV
We know Urobuchi had a finished script like a year or so after Rebellion ended
This is a movie that should've aired ages ago but got delayed by SHAFT and Aniplex being shit at schedules

>>4595668
>It's not the same
Why? Why is it not the same?

>>4595636
Thanks for admitting you don't care about quality and just blindly worshipping the show like a goddamn cultist.

>>4595651
>unnecessary
It was very necessary to make Madoka truly great
>satisfactory ending
Stop worshipping it. The ending is not so great that Rebellion should not exist

>>4595680
>It was very necessary to make Madoka truly great
Not really.

>The ending is not so great that Rebellion should not exist
But it's not so bad that it needed Rebellion to fix it.

>>4595683
Yes really. I've already said I don't see Madoka TV the same way most extreme fanboys like you do. I don't see how it's so great and immaculate that Rebellion shouldn't exist. The ending didn't "need fixing", but I'm glad Rebellion exists and will never want it gone. The best thing to come from Madoka in my eyes. Not everything is about the ending.

>>4595694
Based. Rebellion elevated the show.

>>4595694
>>4595695
I prefer the implication that Homura died and ascended to Madoka at the end. Akuma Homura is fun but not worth to make the entire tv ending feel pointless.

>>4595708
It is absolutely worth it. Stop worshipping the goddamn ending.

>>4595712
It's a good ending, it actually shakes up the story with consequences instead of "everyone comes back to life and now they all go to school together".

>>4595719
>dead people better
Retarded edgelord. Rebellion also has consequences considering it relies on Homura brainwashing everyone. Pretending it was a perfect "everyone is back and happy" ending and ignoring all nuance to shit on the movie and worship the overrated show is retarded

>>4595723
You sound desperately insecure about people having different opinions from you.

>>4595724
That's you and your constand defense of the show and ending as immaculate perfection ruined by the evil Rebellion

>>4595723
>it relies on Homura brainwashing everyone
Not even remotely comparable, as all it results in is the cast forgetting about most of what happened. Having characters die and stay dead adds gravitas to the story, Madoka is supposed to be a dark story with consequences, not the kind of story where everyone lives and goes back to normal life by the end.

>>4595730
A "dark story with consequences" and your super worshipped ending relies on Madoka doing a literal deus ex machina to fix the system by becoming literally god, and the dead (Mami and Kyouko) do come back in the actual show.
If it was what you claim, Mami and Kyouko would have stayed dead in the show.

>>4595732
It's not a deus ex machina, when it was explicitely stated that Madoka held the greatest power inside her because of Homura's time fuckery. A deus ex machina by definition comes out of nowhere with no foreshadowing.

>the dead (Mami and Kyouko) do come back in the actual show.
It is a bit of a reset button, but two die in exchange for the lives of the other two. Besides, it's not like they're supposed to live long anyway.

>>4595739
And that's "MC is super special for reasons" shit that doesn't belong in the super serious muh consequences show you want to pretend the TV show is
A legit serious dark muh consequences narrative would have Homura as the only survivor. Madoka isn't even dead despite all your copes of "is the same because can't interact". She's a goddamn god. She magically asspulls the right wording to fuck over Kyubei and remake the system. Having great power because of time fuckery doesn't give you magical intelligence to word the wish right

>>4595744
>And that's "MC is super special for reasons" shit that doesn't belong in the super serious muh consequences show you want to pretend the TV show is
Madoka is not arbitrarily special, Homura made her special, and that is the entire backbone of the story.

>A legit serious dark muh consequences narrative would have Homura as the only survivor.
Being serious is not the same as being a hopeless edgefest.

>Madoka isn't even dead
She is. Or more than dead, because she erased herself from history. She can't actually do anything other than purify magical girls at the time of witchification.

>She magically asspulls the right wording to fuck over Kyubei and remake the system. Having great power because of time fuckery doesn't give you magical intelligence to word the wish right
She has working brain cells to figure out what she needed to do. I can't say the same thing about you given how far you're stretching your mental gymnastics to criticise the show.

>>4595757
How is Homu different from an isekai goddess giving the MC powers because reasons?
And now consequences are "hopless edgefest"?
You're the one using mental gymnastics to fellate the goddamn show. When it's Rebellion, it's "undloinjg muh perfect consequences", when it's the show it's "avoiding muh edgefest"
Retard. Either all characters have consequences and stay dead or you drop the act of caring about muh consequences
Having working braincells is no excuse for Madoka asspulling the exact right wish

>>4595777
>How is Homu different from an isekai goddess giving the MC powers because reasons?
Because there's a consistent internal logic about it based on the concepts that were introduced in the story from the very beginning.

>And now consequences are "hopless edgefest"?
Work on your reading comprehension please.

>asspulling the exact right wish
Just because you're too dumb to have come up with it doesn't mean it's an asspull.

Without spoilers did we win or is it all over

>>4595783
Eternal stalemate

>>4595786
So all the years of delays were for fucking nothing?

>>4595781
>Because there's a consistent internal logic about it based on the concepts that were introduced in the story from the very beginnin
So like the isekai gods giving MCs special powers
>work on your reading comprehension
Love how you avoid adressing how right I am about how you only care about muh consequences when convenient
>>asspulling the exact right wish
Just because you're too dumb to have come up with it doesn't mean it's an asspull.
Madoka is never presented as particularly smart. She's a normal teen girl with a hopeless need to help and by that point, depression. Nothing says how she came up with the exact wording that would minimize muh consequences. (oh no. But avoiding muh consequences is bad and shi0. Right: Only bad when le ebil Rebellion does it. The ultra divine perfect 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/10 peak fiction TV show can do nothing wrong)

>>4595789
There was a finished script like a year or so after Rebellion. The years of delays were just for Aniplex and SHAFT to get their shit together and prevent a QUALITYfest. Because they are utterly shit at following schedules. Remember Magia Record TV airing and Madoka TV airing. They fix shit in BDs because they air literally unfinished shit
The years of delays weren't to polish a super masterpiece or anything. Any competent studio and producer could have finished and aired it much earlier, but Aniplex and SHAFT are shit at scheduling

>>4595790
>So like the isekai gods giving MCs special powers
No, not at all.

>Love how you avoid adressing how right I am about how you only care about muh consequences when convenient
Both extremes are bad, this is not a difficult concept to grasp. A dark story needs neither the whole cast surviving and getting on with their lives or the whole cast dying.

>She's a normal teen girl
And that's all she needed. "Save all magical girls across time" is not an idea that requires a galaxy brain to come up with, specially when she knows that wishes can involve time travel.

The show and movie are both good desu...

>>4595786
Was ground lost?

>>4595923
Ground was kept. New ground was made, just not for the pairings people expected.

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>>4595924
What about the Red and Blue front?

>>4595927
The new pairing is Blue and Purple now apparently.

>>4595928
And Red and Green.

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>>4595928
>>4595930
>Green
>Purple

Still trying hard to withhold my judgement but my expectations are not high with how many new characters are being introduced in this movie and how Madoka still doesn't seem to have much agency or presence in the promotional materials.

Also I love Rebellion but despise the tendency many Rebellion fans and Homufags have to shit on the TV series and Madoka herself to elevate thei favourites. It's undoubtedly because of people like this that franchise has been and will be continued to get milked to death as the focus and quality dilute.

>>4596076
>Madoka still doesn't seem to have much agency or presence
I honestly don't think the writers know what to do with Madoka beyond what was already done in the TV series. The only thing left given their capabilities and tastes are essentially continuing to treat Madoka as some distant, cryptic savior or giving into fandom interpretations, and while I love MadoHomu, I absolutely DO NOT want fans to decide how Madoka should act.

>>4596079
If Madoka gets any action then the franchise can't continue. Akuma's world at the end of Rebellion was almost broken in less than 10 minutes.

>>4596080
There is room for Madoka to act without destroying the franchise, I just don't think the writers see it or want to do it. Hell, even Rebellion's standout ending was just a twist to extend the franchise, not actually something that was planned all along. If Urobuchi's only thought for Rebellion was "Homura is saved by Madoka! The End." that does not bode well for how he or the other writers are going to handle the next couple of movies, because it seems like all that psychological complexity and themes was actually all pulled out of their asses instead of being deliberate.

>>4596085
There is nothing much to do because the main series already explored and developed the main characters well. The original ending for Rebellion also made sense and it's just the logical writing outcome for this story. The follow-up to Rebellion, without introducing random new characters, would probably just need an OVA seeing how breakable Akuma's world was at the end of the day. Also the psychological stuff in Rebellion can exist while having the same happy ending as originally intended at the end, the movie would just need to be about 20 minutes longer.

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>>4595928
>The new pairing is Blue and Purple
Yes, hahaha YES! >>4569633

>>4596091
Be warned, it's not that much. It is more than enough fuel if you were already a BluePurple shipper though.

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>>4595791
Do you think this whole thing was actually meant to be a tv show that got crammed into a movie?

>>4596125
Just big enough to warm my bench

>>4595791
What baffles me is that they didn't get better between Madoka and Magireco. They have to be bringing their A game (it's Madoka after all) so why are they still so bad at scheduling?

>>4596076
I think Rebellion was good. The gacha problem with the new characters is a recent issue, but Madoka definitely needs more to do so she feels like a character in equal standing to Homura.

>>4596703
Madoka was a character in equal standing in the show. It's only in Rebellion and onwards that her character is reduced to either robot Godoka or Homu's mysterious prize/obstacle. Madoka's "character" and "development" will only continue to worsen from there because by tying her to Homura's whole baggage in this way the only way you can develop her is to have her abandon all her original values from the show and be a flip flopping nothing love interest or just be the stubborn, never changing concept opposing Homura.

>>4596739
We all want her to be Homuras bitch though

>>4596741
Sure, but for Madoka as a character, it's the worse outcome. MadoHomufags will never get the mythical "super developed Madoka and MadoHomu" because any Madoka like that is OOC and an entirely new character. You will get MadoHomu + Madoka as a shell and caricature and that's it.

>>4596746
NTA but the closest thing we have to a Rebellion finale it's the Qualia the Purple finale and even there Gaku's love interest just became a mere love interest even if she didn't compromise her values for Gaku's sake.

>>4596739
>>Madoka was a character in equal standing in the show.
The problem is that's not true. She may have her name in the title, but on TV, she was nothing more than a super passive character who observed things, while Homura was really the true protagonist who guided the plot and events. In the end, Madoka "solving" things doesn't really make her a complete character beyond making a decision. As I say, and I keep insisting, much of what people like about this series in general comes from secondary or fan material, not from the first anime.

>>4596760
She at least actually appeared and was focused on in most of the episodes, even if she was a reactive observer. And all that passiveness was a buildup for her eventual worldshaking wish so it's fine. In Rebellion and Kaiten she doesn't even have that. A note about Homura, I'd argue Sayaka and Homura were the more active focal points of the show, not just her. Homura just aura farms in the background until the last couple episodes.

>much of what people like about this series in general comes from secondary or fan material, not the first anime
Not everyone has your shit taste. And that's clearly not true given that the flood of fan material comes from people watching and loving the first show, nimrod.

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Blue/Purple + Red/Yellow supremacy.

>>4596988
I'd say Madoka shouldn't be left out, but thinking about it more she'd probably be fine with it, given the circumstances.

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It's silly, but I think about this one a lot.

>>4596996
KyoMami really is the best. I wonder if they'll pander to that next movie, even if it's only because they'll be irrelevant together.

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>>4597001
Not looking for spoilers, but I really think Homura's post-Rebellion world could have carried at least a 12 episode season plus movie. We could have had time to see some of the different pairs play off each other in a slightly more stable environment. Until everything starts falling apart again, of course.

>>4596760
>[Madoka] was nothing more than a super passive character who observed things
She did try to get Homura to help Mami in the witch fights, and convinced Kyouko to try to help Sayaka.
She did all she could. She's a regular person in a superpowered setting, there's only so much she can do with the resources she has access to and her mentality.

>>4597005
That sounds like it would just be sol with action/mystery elements. Which would be fine I guess, but it wouldn't really feel like pmmm. I also don't think the writers are comfortable with or are good with sol, so I don't want to see them tackle it either.

>>4596739
Then people should hate the TV show ending forever for making yuri impossible from the moment Madoka became a universal law, and there was no signs of afterlife or anything where she and Homu can be together

>>4596767
Anti-yuri wish that killed all possiblity of yuri Fuck muh development and character an muh shitty show if thje eneding is "you can't have yuri because Madoka is universe law now, Yuri would go against her whole character and ending from the show"
Rebellion is them realizing how much of a mistake this is and fixing it. Otherwise explain how MadoHomu can happen while keeping the show's ending. How can a human romance an universal law?. Godoka is not a traditional god, she's a mechanism and that was stablished in your precious show
Conclusion: Worshipping the TV show is the true shit taste

And now people like >>4596076 know why Rebellion fans shit on the TV show so much. Because it has retards saying Rebellion shouldn't exist and trashing it to protect the TV show as some kind of divine masterpiece tarnished by Rebellion. It's infuriating. I like them both but the way TV cultists speak of the show just makes me wanna shit on it out of spite

>>4597183
>there was no signs of afterlife or anything where she and Homu can be together
Literally the final scene of the show, you illiterate brainlet.

>>4597196
I have rewatched the show several times and I don't remember such being explicitly shown

>>4597205
It's not explicit but it's the implication of the very final shot. Hence, a sign.

>>4597206
Is it really when you admit any Madoka who acts like a human after the wish is "out of character"?
There's no yuri to be had unless Madoka is allowed to act human, but shit show made that "out of character". Seems the problem with writing Madoka is how to give her personality while also keeping in mind Godoka has none. So you hafta "reboot" her because keeping her development from the show leads to no personality and no yuri
They should undo the ending of the show even harder and take bigger shits on it so Madoka can have a personality and MadoHomu can happen

I think some of you want a happy ending so bad even if it's not the point of Madoka. Then you have blinkers where anything that isn't 100% happy must be shit. The show was always a tragedy and leading to an ending that would be bittersweet at best.

>>4597210
I know people want a compromise for MadoHomu happiness but I thought the whole point was Madoka and Homura's viewpoints were irreconcilable? Which is why there's no discussion between them in Kaiten. It'd be too OOC otherwise.

>>4597210
Then Madoka is a shit yuri tragedy. KimiShinu works because you had Seiran and Airi being in a relationship before Seiran died. Madoka gave no time to MadoHomu during or before the show. Sp MadoHomu can only happen after. And if that goes against the point, then the point is terrible anti-yuri shit. Don't make me agree with the schizo. You can have your tragedy with Sayaka or Mami. But MadoHomu need to happen and if they didn't before Madokami, then after. Go to /a/ if you don't want yuri. This board, this thread is for people who want yuri

>>4597211
You can srap the shitty idea of Godoka being a no personality law of nature and have her help AkuHomu with the universe. Them living together like in some doujins I read.
>OOC
Don't care. Go to /a/ if yuri is OOC to you

>the only argument they have is "this would be better for yuri"
I don't understand people who would consume any kind of slop as long as it's yuri. It's a weird mindset on par with hetfags who don't mind garbage as long as it's het.

>>4597214
Again, go to /a/. Did you forget where you are? Yuri board people care about yuri
>muh slop
less yuri=more slop. Fuck off if you disagree. Maybe the schizo was right about Madokafags. The only part he got wrong was that you people aren't a hetfag conspiracy. You're just plot/deepfags who will gladly shit on yuri for the sake of muh deep plot. Kill yourselves

>>4597208
>Is it really
Yes, it is. The rest of your post is a schizo rambling.

>>4597225
So Madoka acting human is not out of character. We can have yuri

Can I post Kyubey here (as a side character in a yuri pic) or are they not allowed

>>4597281
Kyubey is female.

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There's hope.

>>4597340
>separate AGAIN

>>4597341
>separate
They're going towards each other.

>>4597342
but the gap's so far...

>>4597211
Homura did waver in her conviction at the end of the new movie, it took the other girls' support to reinvigorate it.
Madoka can also be swayed by Homura and the gang, she wasn't born a goddess, she is human and she can want something for herself again.
I'd argue that she'd be a much more interesting character if they started writing her as not so unwavering on total self-sacrifice, but they'd have to actually focus on her first instead of diluting everything with random new characters to sidestep the issue.

>>4597347
>she is human
I think a decade of people arguing about stuff like unbreakable universal laws and irreversible decisions have made them forget that these are literal high school girls dealing with stuff waaaaaaay bigger than themselves, on a freaking universal scale even.
Having second thoughts is supposed to be contradictory now? It'd be contradictory not to have them for a couple of 14 years olds who found themselves caught up playing angels and devils in their frantic struggles to make the best of a bad situation.
Both parties are in waaaaay over their heads and that's what makes them compelling, or is supposed to at least.

>>4597347
>>4597351
It's not like I don't agree but the show's always been more about melodramatic, thematic portrayals of the characters than realistic middle schooler psychology. And the themes Madoka and Homura represent are both core to their characters and also opposites of each other.

>>4597359
>And the themes Madoka and Homura represent are both core to their characters and also opposites of each other.
They are now.
What makes human characters interesting is that they aren't immutable brick walls, they can change for the better and for the worse, any number of times.
The series is no stranger to this at all, Homura already changed her mind multiple times between before, during, and even after Rebellion now.
It's just Madoka that they haven't been doing a very good job of handling after the TV series, which is why people call her a Mary Sue; that is not good writing, her post-deification persona is obviously in desperate need of proper focus and development, she barely feels like a character now and that's boring

>>4597351
>high school
*Middle school

>>4597362
>in desperate need of proper focus and development
This movie would've been such a perfect time for it, Homura just had her focus arc in Rebellion, it ended with her "defeating" Madoka, wiping everyone's memories and setting herself up as their "enemy".
So Madoka should've been the star this time, it was already hinted that she could've got her memories at a moment's notice, she should've worked with the rest of the cast, taking the opportunity to re-evaluate all of their stances, and eventually confronted Homura and reached some kind of compromise or even a completely new solution with new flaws, the sky's the limit.
Instead, everything was somehow skipped over, the main cast seems to work with Homura like it's the most natural thing in the world, and at the end they automatically all reached the conclusion that she is totally in the right, they're even more convinced than Homura herself at that point.
And Madoka? She's barely even there, adding further layers of damsel in distress to herself by getting caught and attempted to be witched by some new girl, and at the end she cryptically goes along with Homura's rescue, but also kinda not, cause sequel bait.
We even have her reach out to Homura in imagery like >>4597340, so it's like they skipped all of her character development too, it's all so mind-boggling, and not in a deep thought-provoking way, but in a rushed underdeveloped way, for absolutely no good reason.
How do you drop the ball so hard after over 12 years to think things through?

>>4597343
But it's closer than it was yesterday.

>>4597351
>on a freaking universal scale even
Multiversal, in fact. Madokami rules over every timeline, which can be so different from each other (Record, for example) that they can be said to be different universes in their own right.

>>4597376
Because again, they didn't have 12 years to think
The script was made shortly after Rebellion. The 12 years were just some kind of production fuck up separate from the script
Urobuchi already commented when he wrote the goddamn script and you people still think he was there thinking things through all these years even when you have evidence of him working on other stuff (all of Thunderbolt Fantasy, Gaim , Expelled from Paradise)
Criticism is valid but they weren't spending 12 years on this

>>4597380
>The 12 years were just some kind of production fuck up separate from the script
They said they've touched up the script so much during those 12 years that at some point it barely had anything to do with the old one, then later on changed everything once again and mostly went back to it.
There are no excuses.

>>4597376
>the main cast seems to work with Homura like it's the most natural thing in the world
Maybe it's a misdirection, like the whole first part of Rebellion. Wish they made the "this is clearly wrong, and not real" point harder, but guess they'll make that point in the sequel (if any)

>>4597381
Who is "they"? And maybe that's the problem: too much retouching with little involvement from Urobuchi. Clearly he wasn't there all these years when he was literally in goddamn Taiwan working in a puppet show for years

So is kyousaya officially dead? It sounds like they don't even interact in the movie.

>>4597384
>Who is "they"
I don't remember exactly who it was, probably either Inu Curry or Aniplex staff, I saw some paragraphs from an interview posted in /a/ threads around the time the movie aired.
There was also a piece from Urobuchi saying that he had zero ideas what to do after Rebellion, so Inu Curry pitched some and he went with them, it all read pretty half-hearted; also someone mentioned one character died in his original script.

>>4597396
Litttle ideas of where to go after Rebellion, what someone else here mentioned about him seeing Madoka's arc as complete and involvement in the writing from the gacha writer (Inu Curry are in charge of the gacha writing if I remember correctly) would certainly explain sidelining the old cast for new girls

I've been thinking and maybe Rebellion was a bit of a miracle. They clearly considered the story complete by the last TV episode. Having to do more because popular IP left them stumped and luckily Rebellion worked somewhat keeping focus on the quintet. But that's as far as it goes.
They really should have done the original conclusive ending to Rebellion instead of the open ending and force more sequels. This is the result: They had no plans of where to take the main girls from here and even with 12 years are unable to come up with anything and thus resort to making them side characters in the stories of other girls. The comparison to nuNanoha is apt: You either die a hero (good franchise that ended solid) or live long enough to be a villain (franchise that keeps dissapointing is audience as the staff's lack of ideas and interest keeps showing through hacky entries made just because there's demands for more). A shame, but nothing new in fiction. Sometimes the cow has no more milk to give. The horse is long dead and you can't keep beating what remains of it's bones

>>4597404
>They really should have done the original conclusive ending to Rebellion
That, or they should've properly addressed its sequel hook in this movie, it created enough room for a follow-up, they just decided to do something completely different for stupid reasons.
It's not like it's inherently bad to have a long running series either, I mean at the end of the day Madoka was 1 season + 1 movie, there's series that manage to stay good for much longer, we're actually lacking in yuri-friendly ones.
But if these authors can't handle them with enough competence to at least keep bringing meaningful developments for the main characters, then they'd be better off just creating new series instead, even same-universe ones if they want, just let the old ones have their satisfying conclusion while they're still able to pull it off.

>>4597395
They aren't dead in merch, though I'm not sure that means much.

>>4597406
>stupid reasons
Like I said, they had no more ideas, the cow is dry and they can't force any more out of it
Not every series is created the same. Just because some authors and series can go forever, it doesn't mean every author and series can do so
>just let the old ones have their conclusion while they're still able to pull it off
I agree that's the problem: At leat Urobuchi wanted it twice already (TV and Rebellion) but popularity demanded they don't do so and now they're seemingly stuck with no ideas but an obligation to keep the cast around for merch or whatever. Doing a long runner for the sake of it is not always a good idea. If your main writer wants a conclusion they should have let him do so and not force him to keep going and leave shit inconclusive

>>4597407
So thats a yes then. Well fuck time to find a new otp then. Its ben a fun 14 years.

>homusaya
>mermaid yuri season
what a coincidence.

So the gay MadoHomu dance in the trailer was a lie.

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I heard the new movie sucked, but it's wonderful that it's spawned so many images of Homura dressing Sayaka up as Madoka and using her as a stress outlet.

>>4597536
I swear there was some of that after Rebellion too. But it looks like the boom this time is bigger. I'm really curious about Kaiten...

>>4597520
ngl that was good bait. Not even Homura's schizo split personality or anything, just an entirely different person. Though I guess Walmart taking on Homura's form because she wanted to get closer to Madoka still counts as Madohomu in a sense.

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>>4597536
What we really came here for.

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All this bluepurple reminds me of this old Rebellion comic. I'll just post it again here.

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>>4597536
I want them to do it so hard the ribbons fall off during the climax and then afterwards it's awkward and quiet.