After almost 10 years, Nanoha is back on TV.
>not a single post of the new charactersvery telling
The girlfriends will meet this week.
>>4578389We had a permanent Nanoha thread until not too long ago, it's good that Exceeds is bringing attention back to Nanoha.
>>4578424>>4578428There is usually fan art without real context, as long as there is interest in the characters, that's what happened for example with Precure before even debuting Arcana Shadow and Eclair, even the art that is currently being made before the revelation, will be basically obsolete after its time.
>>4578457What?
>>4578463artists see cute girl and draw cute girl even though they know nothing about cute girl
>>4578463He feels vindicated that he can indulge his headcanon of people not liking the new characters.
>>4578463Ignore rambling ESL posts.
>>4578463>>4578464>>artists see cute girl and draw cute girl even though they know nothing about cute girlBasically that, it even applies to couples; in early art you see invented dynamics that are lucky if they actually correspond to the real dynamic of the characters.
>>4578465>>4578466
>>4578536
They are fastprobably the fastes couple of the franchise
Sisfist the firse meet, Nanofate take two movies forthe same
>>4580021Already saw each other naked too
I was surprised that Towa was the leader of the vigilante group, I figured it would be the spider girl since she's the oldest and exudes strong oneechan vibes.
>>4581172I dig the idea of the Towa's character but her also being the leader of that gang instead of a lone wolf that will get befriended feels off to me. Does the show have the guts to kill off the gang for drama??
>>4582021These people are victims of the circumstances of the true antagonists, so it makes sense. It also feels like it's reviving the concept that Force proposed and failed miserably to implement, since Towa's group and our (true) MC are infected with the same thing.I doubt they'll die, considering how few antagonists have died throughout the series.
>>4582026It makes sense on paper, I just dont dig it.If these characters aren't gonna get sacrificed for drama then they're just bloat. And speaking of extra characters, promos still including Setsuna is pretty funny
>>4582042Maybe Shiina will give birth to Setsuna at the end after she saves the world and no longer needs her powers, and she and Towa can raise Setsuna as a gay couple.
>>4582042What marks them as sacrifice is Towa's Gluttony. She can consume other diaboli and get their powers. I can see them dying and offering thier lives and powers to Towa so they can live on inside her and power her up to take on the obvious Mana fused with progenitor invader final boss
>>4582045but FIRST we'll hbave to learn the tragic backstory of who she ate to gain her current ice powers
>https://x.com/exgv_official/status/2080595901261955109Shina x Towa side story posted on official twitter>They kept in touch and went out for food again>They're both busy but dont know what each other does yet>Shinna says being with her feels calmingThere's also commentary from Nanoha and Fate on Shina but we dont care about that right, it's not like the show is called Nanoha or anything
>>4582098They've definitely not forgotten the importance of shipping, and this good+"bad" girl pair is obviously trying to reproduce the NanoFate magic, but it's like they're actively avoiding doing anything at all with the latters for some reason, the unnatural abstinence has kept going since the latest movies.I get that they want to focus on the new girls, but come fucking on, it's one of the most popular pairs of all time and they've pushed them lots even 20 years ago, can't they spare a scene or two for some lighthearted flirting or a double date or something?Why even bring them back if they're going to ignore all they've built around them?They got 12 episodes this time, and I bet they'll do filler stuff like a beach trip and so on, we'll see if they can at least pull the bare minimum.
>Episode aired>Not one(1) reply here or in the GeneralWell....not the most exicting episode but Towa and her friends are giving off the Hayate and her gang vibes.The brief preview for the next episode sounds like the Nanoha ran into Towa so maybe the plot can actually move along now
>>4582631The problem with those girls it's that they aren't a very old group like the Wolkenritter so we don't even have fanon dynamics like the Signum/Shamal one, also some people said that the death step-parents of Towa looked like the main het couple from Force so I guess that's their way to tell us that Force burned, died and now is buried for good.
>>4582634>>some people said that the death step-parents of Towa looked like the main het couple from Force so I guess that's their way to tell us that Force burned, died and now is buried for good.Frankly, that just makes me wish this would happen in the main timeline and not this alternate continuity nonsense. This series would really work better with adult girls. Every time I see Nanoha and Fate, they don't feel like important people in a unit, but like little girls cosplaying as important officers.
Is obvious this should had been a story apart from Nanoha,, Nanofate are here for compromised
>>4582634I meant the idea is the same. The groupies all love their leader for *reasons*
>>4582634I see the Thoma resemblance, but I'm not seeing the mom's resemblance to Lily.
>>4583135Yeah, seems like a reachLike how many people would even care enough to see it
>bad guys want Towa aliveplease let them do this by killing off her gang and we can get angsty/sad moments with shina comforting towa
Nanoha got Towa to do her dirty work for her but Shiina got stripped and humiliated by a loli whose only power is to open doors. Hope the clothing damage thing comes back and Towa comes across a half-naked Shiina.
You two just fuck each other already...
>>4587686If they are already like this on episode 6, they will be scissoring while holding hands by the 12th
>>4587686Does Shiina want the claw hand or the regular hand inside of her?
>>4587711She's a big girl, she can take both.
They progresd quickly than Nanofate, ia this zoomer power?
>>4587720Believe in the power of yuri.
>>4587686Are you watching a stream or some shit?
>>4587720It's the power of everything happening off screen in this anime, apparently few months passed since they became friends.
>>4587720>>4587686Reminder two police officers and more than a dozen civilians died because these two, unaware of each other's abilities, tried to get each other to run first instead of immediately powering up and confronting the enemy
AlsoIt sounds like Towa wants to kill Shinna next episode before she combusts
Two otherwise confident young women unable to confess their feelings to the person they owe their lives to....meanwhile their normally stoic and cold savior is getting swept off her feet by some gigastacy they dont even knowThis has so much potential that will simply not be explored in the show itself. I hope someone somewhere takes it further in fanworks.
>>4587833Towa will kill herself after finishing her revenge.
>>4588073thats just nonconsensual lovers suicide
>>4588090>>4588073It won't happen because this is a Nanoha spinoff. Doujin maybe.
Nanoha has the prettiest gf. That one Nanoha portrait on the website was made for Fate-chan.
>>4588116hope the show can even get doujinsand then scannedand then picked up by translators
>>4587802The zero onscreen fights against the progenitor monsters was jarring>>4587842So this time we have like 3 Yayas?
>>4588489>3 Yayas?4
>>4588515the tech nerd and the big sis seem prett y chill about towaits the other two that want to bang her
>heart-shaped charm makes Shiina freak outCute. Too bad the cat died, though. Might be the first case of yuri directly resulting in deaths.
>>4588899Actually really dig their dynamic, on paperShina is bold and confident but surprisingly shy about things like thisWhile Towa seems quiet and reserved on the outside but clearly much more honest with her feelings when she wants something......now if only the show actually did them justice
>>4588899Both should had been in an different serieI sure Nanoha actually drag this serie popularity
>>4588906>.now if only the show actually did them justiceI'm so tired of the show just narrative entire scenes and conversations at us instead of showing us their dynamic
>>4588915I still insist, this should be placed in the regular timeline and not this alternate timeline nonsense, so the old cast could be genuine mentor figures and not the extended and glorified cameo they are now.>>4588921To be fair, that's what Nanoha has been doing from the beginning and many refuse to accept it. Season 1 and Season 2 weren't that different in that sense; people only focus on the final action-packed part and not the earlier episodes of dialogue and exposition.
>>4588922At the very least Exceeds/GBV should be "gaiden" canon and fit in both timelines when needed.Also think Shiina sticking around TSAB long enough to teach Teana, however briefly, would be a good way to acknowledge their similarities.
In a better paced story, this would have been a moment of unbearable betrayal. Where love turns to despair, where dreams of happiness are snatched away by the cruel hands of fateHere it's kind like........eh, I guess
>>4590215Need 24 episodes budget and spend 12 episodes on ShiiTowa.
Symphogear G did it better but that's because they already spent 1 cour on HibiMiku.
>>4590225Miku got brainwashed though.Also Evil Miku had a good track too.
>>4590215It's so weird how the anime went out of it's way to make them not fight each other before thisIf that fight followed by a truce was between shiina and towa this unmasking moment would have hit so much harderThere's the bones of a very good story and ship here but the anime doesn't know how to properly utilize the little time and budget it has
>>4590232they have no reason to be mad at the reveal at allthe slayers havent done anything wrong and shina knows towa is being framedso where is the conflict even coming from?
>>4590232To be fair, the fact that they hit it off ridiculously fast doesn't mean they actually know each other very well. It's not like they've been seeing each other for very long, so like the other Anon said, there's no reason for any conflict between them.Considering how (let's not kid ourselves) bad the last movies in this silly new continuity were, this season is a masterpiece in comparison. There, it felt like wasted potential for Nanoha; here, it feels like wasted potential for being part of Nanoha. Actually, that last part speaks better of this series than the movies; it holds up better.
could have been romeo & Juliet but yuri
>>4590233Remember the whole "Is afraid the flame Diaboli (who she now knows is her gf) could lose control of her powers and kill everyone" Towa's been on about?
>>4590236Honestly, I can't help but wonder if someone at the studio had an idea for an original show about a girl who fights monsters with magical powers and got told that no one watches original shows anymore but Nanoha needs some fresh blood so they'll just staple the script to a new Nanoha season. If anything, I'm glad that NanoFate get so little screentime because I quite like Shiina and the Chuuni Squad, but it really does feel like wasted potential for being shoehorned into the Nanohaverse. Anyway, it seems ridiculous to own a van when the loli can just teleport them anywhere.
>>4591464I don't see any wasted potential, it is such a generic idea it could just as easily been an original or a Extreme Hearts sequel. It being part of the Nanoha franchise doesn't really change anything.
Emotionally vulnerable Towa was nice but that was about it....
>>4593272Lesbian always gets jealous.
>>4593275i actually love "betrayal" moments like this I just wish it was set up better. more time spent together, a better lie to get them fighting, etc
Should have stayed home with her loyal harem.
>>4593272>>4593275Most black haired lesbians are emotionally vulnerable imo.
>>4593508>ManosabaSince anon in the games thread are being autistic, I'll ask here: Should I wait for the official translation or can I read with the existing patch?
>>4593546Just install the patch if you don't want to wait.
>>4593508Update
>>4593508Because dark hair is the cool, moody oneAnd the lighter hair is the energetic, happier oneSo it's only natural that the rule of character development has the darker hair goes psycho first, sometimes willingly
>>4593508>>4593624>>4593626The crimson rose and candy girl archetype strikes again
Towa...
>>4596533The serie could had been our new Symphogear but instead it will be a forgotten story of Nanoha
>>4596542>no enough action scenes>no enough yuri scenes>flashbacks everywhereWell at least we have ShiiTowa.
>>4596544>ShiiTowa.We literally have like no organic fanart of these two anon.....
>>4596546They definitely seem less popular than Fuuka and Rinne were but this season is not getting any fanart in general.
>>4596547i found more fanart of these two than shina and towa
>>4596533Towa should have been even more menhera
>>4593624>several girls that aren't even confirmed to be lesbianslmao
>>4596646What are you doing in the thread of "superfriends: the franchise" if you need solid confirmation?
>>4596646>implying Nanoha is not yuri anime
>>4596652It's not.
>>4596662>>4596652It's an anime with lesbians and Yuri, not a Yuri anime. In the west, Yuri is usually known as a subset of the romance genre.
>>4596666>>4596662Again. Why the fuck did you come here instead of the general?
>>4596666
>almost 0 ShiiTowa fanartI begin to wonder if EXGV‘s really airing in Japan.
>>4597416I dug up my pixiv login just for you and was able to find this.But yeah, I am baffled by the complete indifference this show is getting. Little or no activity here on /u/, the weekly thread on /a/ (the only reason I even click on /a/ these days) struggles to hit limit, and absolutely no fanart on twitter and pixiv. Like the Nanoha name itself has got to at least carry.....a little bit more fanfare than this right, this is so weird.
>>4597436I think people have moved on over the years. And the show fails to recapture audiences lost. New audiences see the ties to franchise and don't even bother. Gacha games carry further popularity so the typical kind who make fanart of whatever they see as popular are busy drawing gacha fanartIt's been 22 years since S1. In general, it seems classic franchises older than the 2010s which try to return with remakes or new entries struggle to find new audiences to make fanart and stuff unless it's ultra big names like GiTS or Dragon Quest
>>4597438Yea but yuri fans are no strangers to being niche and obscure. So the fact that literally nobody is drawing these two (or even much new NanoFate) is just so wild. In fact, I'm not even seeing much AI slop for this show. Just complete indifference from all demographics of the fandom.
>>4597416>>4597436Most artists these days only draw in order to chase the hottest trend, which is usually some vtuber or gacha game.Nanoha as a franchise didn't know how to keep staying power over the years. With all the spinoffs that sidelined Nanoha, yet another show where Nanoha barely appears is not what the franchise needed. A lot of fans had already lost interest a long time ago, and Exceeds offered nothing to make them come back.
>>4597436The problem is that any fanfare the series could generate is trapped in the already established couple, which did have art, with the new uniforms and that's really all. The new couple is being unfairly overshadowed, something that didn't happen as much in Vivid Strike and maybe that's why they didn't appear in that series, just NTR jokes at Vivio's expense.>>4597438The bad decisions with Nanoha started when these people tried to continue things with two manga series, which is bad for a franchise associated with anime. Focusing on a series that fell even faster (Dog Days) and ignoring that sticking to the continuity is what has done the series the most, in complete contrast to this terrible new continuity, is like Digimon Adventure: (2020) or those silly Power Rangers projects only focused on MM. It sounds nice for nostalgia, but it doesn't attract fans who are fed up with those series and are really looking for something good.
>>4597445This series would be better if it followed the same continuity as always; it would be the perfect opportunity to have Subaru and Teana with mentor figures. It would make more sense for everything, especially with a new generation, not the one where the veterans are younger and everything makes less sense.
>>4597445I follow an "unpopular" gacha game and it still gets regular art even for some of its most obscure low rarity characters.These ideas people have been tossing out all make sense for why the new show is unpopular but I just dont think they quite explain why Shina and Towa have basically ZERO(0) art.
>>4597449That would require rebooting FORCE or actually removing it from canon. That was the first problem: FORCE and refusing to accept it's failure. They should've replaced it with something else but they didn't and here we are with the movie AU shit
>>4597456That's something these people need to admit and accept once and for all. FORCE was a monumental failure, and only hentai rape artists give a shit about it. The rest of the normal people don't want to know anything about it and its terrible antagonists. You can say whatever you want about EXGV, but it's not a piece of shit like FORCE.
>>4597416>>4597416>>4597438Rather than people not caring, I think this season is just THAT bad. Before it aired there was a decent amount of buzz online and people were drawing nanofate in the new uniforms, most new art is from that period, which tell me there was an audience for it. Then the first episode came out and the response was universally lukewarm and passive agressive at best. Everyone looking forward to more nanofate was disappointed. Everyone looking forward to a continuation of Nanoha's story was disappointed. Everyone looking forward to more of the movie continuity was disappointed. Everyone looking forward to more magical girls is disappointed. Everyone looking forward to more yuri has better things to watch this season. Everyone looking forward to more edgy action has better things to watch this season. Everyone looking forward to more edgy yuri action has better things to watch this season.You can't have fanart if there are no fans.
>>4597495That number still shouldnt be 0.The person that drew this picture also drew Shina and Towa........separately, why?
>>4597496The number is not zero, it is getting way better numbers than a series of this quality deserves. The thing is, most fanart is of individual characters or tasteless het porn. You only get shipping fanart if the fans give a shit about the ship. >The person that drew this picture also drew Shina and Towa........separately, why?According to them, they only really care about nanofate. The Shina and Towa doodles are there because they like the general character design.
>>4597533we're talking about shina and towa herethey have basically nothing
>>4597535Understandably so, they have zero chemistry. Most of their relationship is offscreen. They may get more fanart if they do something together in the finale but so far there is no reason to ship them.
>>4597543Yes, but NanoFate in this series (or this entire alternate timeline) doesn't have good chemistry either. The two movies only had one forced scene at the end, and even the recap movies felt rushed. So this version of the couple doesn't deserve any more attention than sharing elements with the original timeline, which has great chemistry and a daughter. So I don't see much real difference between the couples.
>>4597567And that's the thing. Your autistic separation of both versions of NanoFate is not shared globally. Most people are still attached to NanoFate because of the old shows and just see this as more of them, so they keep drawing a pairing they already liked instead of a pairing they can't bring themselves to care about
>>4597567Even if you choose to ignore all the history they have as a couple and their impact on the genre, their one scene together is cuter than anything Shina and Towa got.
Shiina and Towa's first meeting was cute, but then instead of showing anything of their relationship the anime decided to just narrate things at usThere's just nothing, not even a generic dynamic, to latch on to
>>4597569>>4597574So what people are doing here is simply using a cosplay version of the OG couple, pretending that they are the versions from the new timeline, when in reality they don't give a shit about this new timeline.At the end of the day, the characters from the original timeline and those from this timeline, even having the same face and name, are completely different characters, like the foolish people who read the Power Rangers comics from Boom Studios, who haven't realized that the TV series and the comic are completely different continuities and still pretend that the comic "fills in the gaps" when it is something completely different.
>>4597543But that's what I'm fucking sayingYuri fans have shipped for lessThis is a main couple in a storied franchise and they've been pretty touchy with each other.Zero fanart is surreal. This would be something you'd expect from a deliberate boycott.
>>4597657>Yuri fans have shipped for lessNot really, as much as people meme about shippers pairing characters for no rhyme or reason, even subtext and crack ships have characters with some sort of dynamic the audience finds appealing or interesting. Shina and Towa have nothing.
>>4597730>Shina and Towa have nothing.>nothingyou see this pic? >>4597657
>>4597730They have a hell of a lot more than other memed pairs like Signum x Shamal and Hayate x Vivio
>>4597731All I see is empty set up for a pointless fight that did not paid off. >>4597732Signum and Shamal spend a good chunk of the universally agreed best season being Hayate's moms.Hayate and Vivio have their connection to Nanoha adding a degree of comedy and the fact they are relics of a lost civilisation. Shina and Towa we are told are good friends.
I like shipping the gate loli and the lockpick loli together. But I'm weak against characters voiced by Itou Ayasa.
>>4597734>Hayate and Vivio have their connection to Nanoha adding a degree of comedy and the fact they are relics of a lost civilisation.When have they ever interacted?Even the two dates we got for Shina and Towa have more basis.
>>4597743That couple only reinforces this Anon's notion: >>4597657The only real basis for the pairing is that it's basically a mix between Meme and Discard with Hayate. This was born before Ein and the Vivid manga appeared and made it clear what Vivio's real romantic interest was. People can pretend with Vita with Hayate, even Signum and Shamal, but nobody really takes any of those pairings seriously.>>4597495>Everyone looking forward to a continuation of Nanoha's story was disappointed. Which is funny to say, since Nanoha's story, and even Fate's, ended with Season 1, since A's is Hayate's story and her knights, even Chrono, NanoFate are guests there too, so that they aren't really important isn't something new, the most memorable thing they did was have "rivalries" and the characteristic power up, but they weren't the main characters.The real characterization and consolidation of Nanoha as a series was in StrikerS, don't pretend now that a's is super important, it's literally the one with the most art and doujins, because A's' own time is ignored in favor of the girls in high school, using the last seconds of A's.
Hayate/Vivo was born of a time where there was less anime out in a given season and gacha didn't exist. So people used them for their onee-loli and age gap yuri fetishes. Now people have more to pick from if they just want to draw a fetish and the characters are irrelevant as long as they fit the fetish. More shows, gacha shit being the popular choice if you just don't care and want to draw some characters for your fetish. I doubt something like Hayate/Vivo would be born in modern times
>>4597748>the season were we actually get to see nanofate being best friends is somehow not super importantThe most pathetic thing to come out of EXCEEDS has to be all the retards trying to pretend A's was never good and Force was good actually.
So are Nanoha and Fate officially hags now?
>>4597751They were in the old timeline but in the new timeline EXCEEDS follows they're HS age.
>>4597750She wasn't saying that you illiterate. She was saying that Nanoha and Fate took a backseat to Hayate's development (the former moreso since the latter at least got her dream sequence).Complaining about Nanoha not being the focus when the franchise has ALWAYS been more about her being the one to help other people with their personal arcs is fucking retarded.
>>4597750>>all the retards trying to pretend A's was never good I don't know about the others, but it's more of a personal opinion. I wasn't interested in A's back then, and even less so now. The movie did nothing to remedy that in the slightest. I was more interested in StrikerS and seeing the characters older. Watching EXCEEDS makes me realize that all that military bureaucracy doesn't work or look good with young girls, which makes the decision to make StrikerS make more sense.>> Force was good actually.I keep insisting, and I can swear, that since 2 or 3 hentai authors think that, the rest of the people don't give a shit about that manga and its characters.>>4597764Is this really true? I don't mean this as a bad person, but while in StrikerS Nanoha had the excuse of being the mentor figure of one of the new teams, and in Vivid she was the mother of a new generation (in Vivid Strike, the mother of a loser off-screen), in A's there isn't much beyond her first defeat against the "new" system and now being part of the team. I understand wanting to think it's her story of helping others, but Chrono was the one half the plot focused on, since the book was linked to his father's death and also to the evil man who gave the book to Hayate. In addition, this being was close to him, not to mention the catgirls in microskirts who ended up being the final boss's henchmen to push the Reinforce thing. The rivalry between Nanoha and Vita itself disappeared, and the one between Fate and Signum is barely relevant either.My complaint is that Nanoha has always had the problem of not giving enough importance to Nanoha itself; it's not something new, but having them young in EXCEEDS hasn't solved that, because apparently being adults was the problem in StrikerS, but it's clear that these people don't want to make more Nanoha.
>>4597752Ah, so no Vivio. Gay. And not the fun kind of gay.
>>4597771>Ah, so no Vivio. Gay. And not the fun kind of gay.Yes, that's the problem, seeing Nanoha and Fate in the same old courtship that should have been left behind is unsatisfying, I can swear that Innocent does it a little better, there's still Vivio there.
jfc this is going in circlesNobody disputes that the new anime sucksBut 0 fanart for Shina and her wife just feels surreal
>>4597792Because you aren't going to get an answer from people who don't know japanese and don't hang in jap discussions. Just the same guesses. You can keep insisting but no one is going to be able to give you an answer you like. Maybe not even the nips themselves. Just accept you'll never have an answer and move on instead of trying to bring up the point and denying all the guesses people have made as invalid,
>>4597797its less of a quest for answer and more of an utter disbelief at the situation these two are in
>>4597948And you have already made your point. Any more repetition or replying to people with "buts" and complaining about going in circles when you keep insisting is just annoyingYou can let it die now
>>4597416>>4597440>>4597948I noticed this other day too. There's a real lack of art for this show in general. Compare to Reflection (which let's not kid ourselves, is much better and actually feels like Nanoha) where Amitie got way more art after that movie aired than Shiina has so far. Towa has even less and has barely more than Shiina's little sister who dies in the first episode. Yuri content for this is almost nil. According to one Japanese website, this show gets average ratings so it apparently isn't hated, and Shiina and Towa both get plenty of screen time, including with each other. I guess chalk it up to the world being different these days.
>>4597959Amitia already had way more art than Shiina before the movie aired because she existed for like half a decade at that point. Both Gears and Innocent are well liked in japan and their characters appeared in a bunch of stuff. It is not the same.
>>4597959>>4597960The same goes for the Materials. They were super popular from the release of the first game when they were nothing more than evil versions with a different color palette and didn't even have real names. The second game gave them an identity, and the movies were made to benefit the characters from the games who already had fan recognition. But the movies are the same in that they have even less Nanoha and are the story of the sisters with the Materials as bonuses, nothing more than that.If you want to make a real comparison, Vivid Strike is a better example.
>>4598010>Vivid Strike is a better exampleI'd argue it is a bad comparison because Vivid Strike is actually good. Fuuka and Rinne are likeable leads, their relationship is the core of the plot and the legacy character are well integrated into their story, all making their innebitabe confrontation have some gravitas behind it. No wonder they are still getting art, they naturally are going to have more fans.
>big final raid episode>still no sign of the Wolkenritter outside of unvoiced stills narrated by ShiinaWere they unable to get their seiyuus?
>>4598923Let's be frank, the main trio must already be expensive, especially Nana Mizuki, and it's probably there, and in the music, where the investment will be recouped if this fails. What's really funny is that the ferret kid was supposed to be part of this new squad too, according to a pretty early trailer, considering he doesn't even appear or get mentioned. This project had a lot of worries, and they rightly cut one of the reasons why StrikerS isn't bad.
>>4598927>ferret kid He only appears in the manga.
>>4598927Someone mentioned it in /a/ but his skillset completely trivializes the diavoli. He and Arf probably got written out of the story because there would be no plot with them in the team.>>4598937>posting males on /u/
>>4598958Yuuno is pretty much a girl.
>>4598961If you want to post guys and talk about guys I think /a/ should be more your way than /u/.
>>4598923they don't need themall these enemies are weaklings compared to nanoha, she could have probably done all the stuff they've been doing so far in a day if she wanted tothey basically have been hiding nanoha and fate to keep a little bit of suspense in the story
Kind hate myself for getting attached to Shina and Towa as a couple before the anime
>>4599122To be fair, many couples go through the same thing (not just yuri). Some are lucky enough to have real interactions between their characters, but in the rest of the cases, you have the people at Pokemoa failing miserably with each and every couple they expected, and that's a good thing.
>>4599126Not to brag or anything, but my last big pre-airing "omg I love the idea of these two together" feeling turned out to be very, VERY right and satisfying from episode 1.Shina and Towa still had their moments but it could have been so much more.Myabe there will be a miracle in the final two eps
>>4601582>not even the fanartWhere‘s Nanoha fanbase now?
>>4601688in a similarly pathetic state to the Digimon Adventure fandom, living in the past while refusing to move forward.
>>4601688Doing nanofate fanart
>>4601767Funnily enough, the new digimon season gets way more gay art than exceeds.
>>4598961
>>4601819Yuuno and Vivio share the same VA, so yeah, in a way it was ferret all along.
They make a decent battle against Mana but lack of seriounesskinda sad with all the potential wasted
>>4602030Despite the jokes about budget this episode, Shina vs. Mana was actually pretty good all things considered.Also they really should have added "Did you hope to find happiness with your little friend Shina" here.
>>4602030They literally spell out Mana's weakness in the bloated, pointless flashback at the beginning. It would have been so much more satisfying if we saw Mana freak out and realize that the Flame Diaboli who beat her was now inside Shiina, but the writers once again forgot about "show, don't tell."
>>4602347Being happy she gets a rematch feels more in character for Mana.
Onee-sama, what's your thought about EXGV?
>>4604519Probably the second weakest Nanoha for me. Towa x Shiina felt pretty half baked (their relationship literally happened in a montage and they are suddenly all over each other), and in term of the general story, it's pretty much just the writer repeating the same story beats that have been doing for two decades now but worse.
>>4604519I'm having a really hard time finding genuinely good points about it, even if I lower my take to just 'brainless action series', the action was ultimately scarce and uninteresting.Let's be honest, girls fighting big monsters gets old soon, it's just a glorified light show, the interesting fights in Nanoha were always girl vs. girl, which usually involved some degree of tactical and ideological confrontation, but how much of that we got here?There were blink-and-miss scraps around the middle of the series against Towa's troupe, the supposedly climactic Shiina vs. Towa confrontation wasn't even a real fight, and then the final battles against green girl, who somehow was much stronger than Towa and her partners put together, but was still instantly owned by Shiina alone even after getting a power-up.Other than that, there was the obvious shafting of the old cast who might as well have not been there, Towa's 4 partners also did pretty much nothing other than each telling the same exact sob story and voicing the same exact opinions, so the only relevant characters in the end were Shiina, Towa and the evil girl.Were they at least good characters?I think they were fine for a series like this, Shiina x Towa was cute for the couple scenes they got as ship-tease, but with the story drowned in all other unnecessary stuff, they didn't get to shine enough to make a lasting impression.The anime would've been much better with just those three girls and lengthier, more fleshed-out fights between them, scrapping everything other than showing the basic world-building and their respective backstories.
>>4604519Easily the worse Nanoha season on its own merits and even worse if you see it through /u/ lenses since the only interesting couple was the het one. ShiiTowa was painfully uninteresting and NanoFate got no screentime. Everyone else may as well be background noise. People love to complain about character bloat but despite having a fraction of the cast, everyone here feels like a waste of space. This has to be the most uninteresting set of characters in the franchise, just generic designs and bland personalities all around. The fact anything potentially compelling happens off screen or in a montage certainly doesn't help. I don't see how anyone could care about them, let alone bother to ship them.
>>4604519it's...what it is
>>4604519Don't cry because it happened. Smile because it's over.
Wasted Potential:The CoupleHad all the ingredients to be great and yet here we are. If the show overall had been popular, we'd be getting tons of fanart/fanfic to "fix" the relationship but since even the japanse artists are mostly indifferent, I guess this is it.
>>4604519Bad. I was so exited for this series and really tried my to remain positive. I liked a lot of the early established stuff, but by the halfway point I couldn't ignore the fact that the show was just not good.The most obvious problem is the connection to the Nanoha franchise when the anime clearly cares so little about any of the Nanoha stuff. It just comes across as awkward to try and shoehorn in Nanoha and friends in a story they clearly don't belong in. If Nanoha is only going to get 10 seconds of screentime each episode where she has to twiddle her thumbs and try to look busy, then she probably shouldn't be in the show at all. The anime would certainly not have gotten as much hate if it didn't have the Nanoha name attached.That's not to say that this show would have been fine if it were a new IP and that the only problem was not giving our precious legacy characters all the spotlight though. Vivid Strike didn't have Nanoha and Fate in it at all, and I still enjoyed that show. EXGV would still be quite bad on its own merits. The show does way too much telling instead of showing. We're told how much Towa loves Shiina and how many awesome dates they went on rather than being shown any chemistry between them. We're supposed to ship them because we're being told to rather than giving us much of a reason to. We're also told through exposition and narration how much the Slayers love Towa without really being shown any interesting personal interactions with her. In the credits we see stuff like them eating out or playing games together which is the kind of stuff that would have been better to actually see to make them feel more real. It doesn't help that all their personalities and interactions are basically interchangeable when it comes to Towa.The action is a huge letdown too. You get a couple of okay things in the first episode and the fight with Mana, but everything else is off screen or is over in seconds. The last boss was a stationary tree.
>>4604533Are you counting FORCE as the weakest?If not, I'm curious what you see as even worse than this shit show
>>4605257Wasn't counting FORCE since it doesn't have an anime (also didn't read it). I just REALLY didn't like Vivid Strike. Like, it's probably objectively a better made show, but I hate it more.
>>4605420i actually never watched vivid or vivid strikers....maybe i should
>>4604519I thought it was good anime, but a bad Nanoha anime. It didn't need the Nanoha cast, and IMO it would have been a better anime if they cut the Nanoha stuff and let Shiina and Towa stand on their own. Even if it technically is the worst Nanoha anime, I still gave it a 7.5/10 despite the issues it had.
>>4605424For Vivid, just read the manga. The anime end third way through the manga. Also, go with in with the expectation that it is supposed to be a spin off instead of the next mainline entry because it's pretty different.
>>4605425>I thought it was good animeHow
>>4605577Because ShiiTowa is cute I guess.
>>4605577Compared to Lumiere, it certainly is—by a long shot.>>4605420Force is the worst part of the Nanoha franchise; the series was cancelled and is hated for good reason. For starters, it has a male protagonist, so there isn't even any yuri to save it.>>I just REALLY didn't like Vivid Strike. Like, it's probably objectively a better made show, but I hate it more.Even so, Vivid Strike showed how the series should be handled unlike the nonsense in the movies and the anime that just ended. Throwing in Nanoha and Fate as guest stars purely for brand recognition, and having idiots churn out generic art, doesn't make for a good series.
>>4605425That’s my issue with it, and it could have been solved by making it a sequel within the main continuity accepting that Force is crap and ignoring that series from then on. Having Subaru and Teana as mentors here would have been great; they would be perfect for the new cast and this world, given that Subaru is supposed to work >>4605436That’s my issue with it, and it could have been solved by making it a sequel within the main continuity accepting that Force is crap and ignoring that series from then on. Having Subaru and Teana as mentors here would have been great; they would be perfect for the new cast and this world, given that Subaru is supposed to work
>>4605632Sorry, I will absolutely take the movies over Vivid Strike.
>>4605633>That’s my issue with it, and it could have been solved by making it a sequel within the main continuityVivid IS within the main continuity, it was just supposed to be small side story while FORCE was the main serious story, but then FORCE bombed for obvious reason, so it ended up being the only Nanoha content for several years.
>>4605577I enjoyed Shiina and Towa as characters, Mana was a really fun villain, and the action was pretty good. The story, writing, and worldbuilding all suffer from the Nanoha stuff being shoehorned in, but could have been at least solid if it weren't for that.
>>4605641At least the artists didn't think the same way; Vivid Strike has a decent amount of art except for the homewrecker; she didn't really make much of an impression, even though she actually debuted in Vivid.
>>4605642When I mentioned continuity, I was referring to Xyz (Jat); things could have turned out better that way, it might even have helped the characters of Subaru and Teana. Just look at Shiina; she almost looks like the daughter of both of them.
As a casual fan looking over this thread to see if anything interesting happened to nanoha/fate, I'd say a few things as to why this got little to no attention.>some still obsessed with CPK>pretty cure super popular girl has a decent ship>kimishinu for an interesting yuri adaption with alright budget>lara for original fumble>some people still at it on watatabe/botan fan art>some going back to their OG with touhou new classicThere's an actual power struggle to grab a yuri fan's attention for now.And I'd say that having nanoha/fate as basically just stand-ins that does nothing is a negative for someone who wants to see them again, it's better for them to just move on if they're just gonna keep the status quo going forever.
>>4605654No, it’s not that complicated, and yuri is never mutually exclusive we aren't talking about some waifu-bait series with a fandom incapable of watching more than one show per season. Xyz simply didn't catch people's attention; it’s as simple as that. Long-time fans just made NanoFate art with new outfits, but really, it’s basically the same old crap that was already being churned out in the period between A's and StrikerS.
>>4605674Time left Nanoha behind and they always failed to capitalize or to adapt.Now the biggest novelty, Nanoha and Fate being totally just besties, relutionary back then, is now trite.NanoFate missed and dropped the ball by keeping that instead of biting the bullet, making it canon and become revolutionary trendsetters. Lolis? They grew up. Yuri? Dime a dozen now. Plot? A total fucking mess.It's a old an busted boomer franchise that fucked up everything that made it good to begin with.
>>4606233The worst part is that it was all their fault (the people in charge). They had a damn loyal fandom and all they could do was stupid things. Instead of riding the wave they had already created in StrikerS (the two of them with a daughter), they went down the worst possible route: super slow-publishing manga series, even though Nanoja is strongly related to anime.A manga that was a complete disaster and that no (decent) person wants, another manga that was clearly never intended to fill the Nanoha void and didn't exactly end in the best way, then an incomplete adaptation, an anime that was in the right direction, but two movies that foreshadowed that these people didn't really care about Nanoha and only used the name for brand recognition, since the associated gacha didn't matter to anyone and their dream project (Dog Days) ended in the most pathetic obscurity.
>>4606233Being afraid of change is the norm when you're handed big (for its time) IPs
>>4607080By that logic StrikerS wouldn't have happened.And they very clearly weren't afraid of change. And there's fucking Force. And Vivid to a lesser extent.That was exactly the problem. Instead of sticking with what worked they kept trying to do all sorts of random crap, and more importantly, continue not focusing on fucking Nanoha and Fate. They keep doing everything but Nanoha and Fate.
This months Tsuzuki post anime interview
>>4609193Where is the rest of it?
>>4609210In this thread >>>/a/291308843
>>4609213Thanks!
>>4609193Translate it, weebs
Happy 10th anniversary to ViVid Strike, 10 years already, we're getting so old.
>>4609645I wish we could go back
>>>/a/291316088Wanting difference is not bad, but you gotta do "diferent" well. EXCEEDs fails. Not as hard as FORCE, but still in chasing different fails to justify being a Nanoha entry instead of it's own thing. There's things people want from stablished franchises, and failing to live up to them is not goodSame with wanting EXCEEDs to appeals to newfags and not just stablished fans. Newfags will see the Nanoha name and if they don't want to watch the rest: will be scared away. And of course, stablished fans are dissapointed because pandering to newfags means focusing on a new cast introduced in the show and sidelining the old characters so this imaginary newfag audience can follow without needing to know much about them. If he wanted new audiences so much and has so little faith in Nanoha's stablished audience being able to keep the franchise afloat, he should've made it a completely new and separate story rather than make it a Nanoha show. A new story is also where you're more free to be "different" if you're afraid of stagnating and repeating same shit in your stablished franchise.
>>4609664To be fair, it’s not as if they hadn't tried something new that didn't rely on the Nanoha name though it turned out really badly because nobody paid any attention to the project at the time, only to find out later that it was actually connected to Nanoha.I can understand EXCEED's idea of doing something new, but that simply isn't going to work for this franchise. I say this especially regarding the movies, which ultimately just recycled familiar characters and felt like wasted potential particularly with that nonsense of clinging to Lolinoha while keeping Nanoha's screen time to an absolute minimum; her final sacrifice felt incredibly forced.ViVid Strike exists and shows the right path for this series, effectively sweeping Force under the rug, the reboot route isn't ideal either, just look at Saint Seiya as an example.
>>4609677I think "clinging to Lolinoha" was because Gears of Destiny (and Battle of Aces, but the Florians and Yuri clearly show the movie is interested in adapting Gears because Battle of Aces was basically a prologue to Gears introducing the idea of the Dark Fragments and Materials and hinting at the "Unbreakable Darkness") was an A's game with a cheap excuse (Kyrie using the time machine lost logia just affected this people for reasons) to bring Vivio, Einhart and the Force duo to the game. "A's Portable" was the title, after all. Because the premise was about the consequences Reinforce Eins deciding to live 6 months more (she can't extend her life further than that) instead of her canon decision of being killed shortly after the Defense Program was eliminated. So given that the movie was made to adapt the Materials, Yuri and the Florians to anime, it had to be Lolinoha. It was an Earth plotAdapting it to StrikerS era would be difficultYou can blame all the people who loved GoD and kept buying merch of Materials, Yuri and the Florian sisters for the movies being what they are. It's no wonder they'd want to make an anime with these characters that proved to be very popular
>>4609677>I can understand EXCEED's idea of doing something new, but that simply isn't going to work for this franchise.S1 was completely different from Triangle Heart and it workedStrikers was completely different from A's and it workedVivid was completely different from Strikers and it worked This franchise has been making wild swings and taking nonsensical turns from the very beginning. The movie continuity failed simply because it is shit. It fumbled the main strength of the franchise, its characters, in favor of subpar animation, paper thin plots and shallow characterization. It has nothing to do with pandering or wanting difference. If anything, EXCEED's greatest sin is being a rehash of Force instead of doing something new. >>4609680It is unfair to blame the games for being actually good. >Adapting it to StrikerS era would be difficultIt would be extremely easy actually, just have them time travel.
>>4609744I have no intention of reading Force, so I wouldn't know about it beyond Thoma and Lily's antics in the GoD gameThey were already time traveling in the game (the lost logia used unintentionally also brought Thouma, Lily, Vivo and Einhart to the past), and the move made a conscious effort to avoid the time travel stuff and make the Eltrians dimension travelers instead of time travelers. So yeah, lolinoha status quo feels like a consequence of GoD's popularity. No way the anime staff would ignore it and not try to make an anime version. Reflection and Detonation felts to me like "of course they do this and are trying to take advantage of GoD's popularity and using the popular game cast". >subpar animation. It really feels like the studio is dying. The transformation sequences are shit (not only about the lack of fanservice. Precure shows how you can have great transformations with no fanservice that little girls can watch), the cheap CGI, skipping the progenitors to not animate their fights. And the sad part is EXCEEDs is still the best animated thing 7ARCs has done in years. This sad state of affairs is their current peak. Always sad when studios that could do much better in the past fall off
Funny thing is, Innocent does the whole keeping Nanoha a loli while pandering to GoD fans while adapting it to Strikers era while doing time travel while doing something completely different and it is the best modern entry in the franchise.
>>4609751Why didn't they take a chance to animate Innocent?It would have been a huge hit.
>>4609779No point in advertising a dead gacha
Let's be honest, a big part of Nanoha's popularity is loli, adult versions of their characters just don't hit the same.
>>4609952While I agree, the best selling season and longest running manga were about hags so thats clearly not the case.
>>4609952The real problem with the Lolinoha dynamic is getting stuck in that silly courtship phase and just going in circles; with adult Nanoha, we already have the two of them as mothers to a (loser) daughter and all that people can complain all they want, but the season that cemented the yuri aspect for most of the characters was StrikerS.
>>4609952Even if it has some little narrative sense to show the characters as they're struggling maybe the fact that both of them are successful adults with their own apartment and daughter, with almost 10 years of experience and being most likely the next in line if something happens to the military leaders that are part of a temporary junta bothers you more than the magitech and interdimensional travel.
>>4609952They hit much better for me. Their adult versions have a god tier dynamic and some of my all-time favorite fanworks. At this point I'm just treating it as a classic case of the majority robbing me of something I love.
