Is Drakenguard any good?
>>739285752Not at all. The story's nonsense, and the combat is trash.
>>739285752No but I still like it because dwagons
>>739285752anal braps
best when play with 20 FPS and 2 minutes load time
>>739286027I like it when the door opens at 2fps and you don't know whether the game is going to crash or not.
>>739285752Is she white or Asian?
>>739285752I tried to play the first one but the controls and camera about gave me motion sickness
>>739286027>when you have to play entire game in one sitting because the game miraculously run perfectly for once
It's impressive how bad d3 runs on ps3. Like you have to try to fuck it up that much.
>>739286659four didn't deserve it
>>739285752you can basically see her pussy
>>739286798zero doesn't own a cat
>>739286949The Japanese voices for this game was paid DLC kek
>>739285752No. Yoko Taro didm't make a game worth playing until 2017, unfortunately the sexy robot has little to do with it, the games he made before were actually just very mechanically unsatisfying and clunky.
>>739287120found the zoomoid
Games aren't good at all but I love my slut wife and her slut sisters
>>739287142nigger I own original copies of both Drakengard and Drakengard 2 that I bought with my hard-earned 2000s dollars. You wanna grind this bullshit out? Go be my guest, but don't tell other people they should cut their own dicks off and eat them, as well.
>>739287212sure you do kiddo
>>739287142*gay zoomoid
>>739287212>He boughted 2
>>739287240if you played it on an emulator, you didn't play it.
>>739287367weird projection why you telling me?
>>739285752I wouldn’t even recommend OG Nier it was so boring and crappy gameplay wise, I can only imagine how miserable the Drakenguard games are.
>>739285752it's the nortubel of yoko taro
>>739287592Because you're way too into playing a shitty Dynasty Warriors clone at like 12fps.
>>739285752>Japanese humor: the video game
>>739285752more like DrakenBrap
>>739288041lol you are so fucking butthurt but yes I will continue to enjoy my video game :)
>>739285752I played drakengard 1 when it came out. It was okay. It was like a dynasty warrior rip off with a dragon you could ride around on which was cool.It had a weird retarded story that was typical of jap games at the time that made no sense. But you basically got to romance your sexy mommy dragon and that made up for it.Then a decade later there were a ton of faggots who made up fanfiction for it and yokotaro though there was an audience but there wasn't.The second one is ass and doesn't have a lick of the spark the first had. It makes up for it by being even more retarded but this time with blood and gore to appease americans.
>>739286949This game looks sickQrd?
Yoko Taro what the fuck are you up to motherfucker ?still too busy sorting thru that 2b folder
>>739285752I was intrigued by the ending of 3 but never really looked into it or tried unlocking anything elsebut I also dont want to go back and replay the entire game + extras so
>>739290215slideshow with good music
The characters in this game were pretty degenerate.
Four is my wife
>>739285752why cant white haired woman be real
>>739291382>the intoners had their own (sexual) desires>except Three who got wet to "doll-making" via human experimentation and science>their disciples were to appease them, except Octa got fucked since Three didn't want sex anymore>and there's Four and DecadusShe wants to remain innocent and virginal to feel all high-and-mighty to her sisters when in actuality she's a raving pervert who's repressing herself and going insane as a result.Add that with Decadus being a subservient masochist with a manly sex god body that she actually wants him to ravage/rape her but he won't because he gets off to her demeaning him and her being disgusted at his perversions.This pair is a colossal fuck up and it's hilarious.
>>739285752Drakengard should have solely been about sex with dragons and incest.
>>739285752Drakengard 1 is very grindy but Ive always enjoyed the grind in it. Even if you're not a fan, the story and world alone is so engrossing its worth getting all the endings. Caim is the greatest protag they've ever made. Its a dark fantasy tale around the fallacy of hurting others for a mythical "peaceful time" that never comes. Drakengard 2 got taken out of Taro's hands at some point and whitewashed. Its notably more "hopeful" and anime, the weirder, darker tone of 1 is push to one side. Its also unfinished in places, most glaringly in them setting up "The four commanders" based on each element, only to skip Fire offscreen. Still, ground combat is better than 1. FMM the dragon is also more fun but some people think its too quick. Caim also comes back and every scene with him is solid gold, he should have been the protag again. His boss fight in the field of roses is legendary. Still, its your standard anime tale of a young lad who discovers he's the chosen one and saves his kingdom from demons. Drakengard 3 is a joke. I dont exactly know what the idea with it is, but its played as a straight up comedy with wall-to-wall sex jokes, scat jokes, and fourth wall gags. Its actually surprising to me Taro was in full control because it feels far more similar to a SUDA51 game (derogatory). Zero, the lead, is also botched by the translation team, making her much more aggressive and sweary for some reason. The real issue though is it does not run well, the framerate dropping to 5FPS at points (often when the dragon appears). It also ditches huge battlefields for linear slogs you replay over and over. The combat REALLY isn't good enough for how A->B it is, People tend to crow about 3 over 1 but thats mostly because the lead is hot and makes a lot of sex references. For my money, there's some fun to the crazy story (I wish they fleshed the sisters out more), but on the whole its such a burden to play.
>>739291978Well it kinda is but everything goes to shit and everyone dies.
>>739290215>Square, Square, Triangle>Square, Square, Triangle>R1>Square, Square, Square, Square, Square
>>739292513wow you push buttons in a video gamewait till this guy plays a souls game
the dragon combat was cool and the music was fantastic and also i like how the levels and different routes were structured but i hated the ground combat though
>>739285752That pose is painfully unrealistic
>>739285752How does she do that pose without breaking her spine
>>739288772>It had a weird retarded story that was typical of jap games at the time that made no sense.It was extremely atypical of Japanese stories and makes perfect sense. It's a Dark Fantasy Apocalypse story inspired by Berserk. I have no idea how anyone would find any of it hard to follow
Does Drakengard 3 count as being feminist...? I'm not sure if it's positive or negative
>>739292717zero fucks everything she sees and all the females in the game are absolutely batshit insane so yeah probably I guess
>>739292691>head canon he's made up >probably wasn't even born when it came outFucking retard.
>>739291909IIRC each disciple was made to specifically cater to that sisters sexual tastes (as well as enhance their owners abilities through their own prayer chants) > 5 is a hypersexual shotacon and given Dito. Dito's the most interesting disciple as he becomes self aware and disgusted with what 5 has been doing to him.>4 is denial fetishist. She presents this as being a pure virgin, but on the inside she's a sadomasochist. She's given Decadus who enjoys to be tortured and denied sex. Interestingly, Decadus is Zero's favourite of the disciples she takes for her own. I wonder if its because sleeping with him actually goes against what he enjoys sexually. >3 has a "little girl complex" and given an older granddad figure to fuck. Unfortunately for Octas, she seems to become severely mentally unwell and starts neglecting everything from sex to food in favour of hype fixating on her dolls. While he presents this as being annoyed he doesnt have sex anymore, its clear this he's got a deeper paternal worry from her erratic mental health. The little girl complex and the look of the dolls suggests its something to do with the Intoners connection with the Watchers>2 is a bubbly girl who's into romance. She's given Cent, a disciple who loves her deeply. Of all pairings, they're the only two who act as an equal married couple. Unfortunately, 2 gets PTSD and this causes Cent to explore different ways to "help" her depending on the timeline. >1 loves herself. This is not just seen in her establishing cult around herself, but in her disciple being a identical twin brother she has an incestuous relationship with. Like 2, while this is a fetish, she also clearly deeply loves him, and basically tortures him in preparation for a plan that would ensure his survival at the end. And 0? She's a detached hedonist and gets all the first 4 for herself.
>>739293120Please explain to me what your confused by and I'll it to you with citations to the games actual content.
>>739293195>why do you think it's inspired by berserk chuddy?>UHM BECAUSE ITS REALLY DARK AND UH THERES A GUY AND HE HAS A SWORD AND UHHHHH THE GAME HAS A DARK FEELING AND ASTMOSPHERE AND UHM IHahahaha! Shut up little bitch pussy hahahaha!
>>739293158I have to admit, I didnt this it was thought out this well. That's cool.
>>739293256So there's nothing your actually confused about. You just didn't think someone would pull you on it and now you're baiting. Thought so.
>>739292691>here's that ultra serious grimdark fantasy I was telling you about
>>739285752>1No. The story is fun though>2No. The cutscenes are fun though>3.No. The localization is shit though.
>>739285752i'd draken her guard if you know what i mean
>>739293256>>739293435>Talking about D1>Post D3 gifYou're not gonna bait me buddy, you're being too stupid about it. But hey, Im sorry a game rated 12+ confused you. Maybe Pokemon is more your speed?
Didn’t the devs try to link D3’s lore to the previous games by saying that the flower in Zero’s eye was the same as the red eye disease in D1/2?
I feel like these games are a prime example of titles that benefit from those cutscene movies you find on YouTube. None of the games are actually fun to play and nobody likes going through them multiple times for each ending.
>>739292324>Drakengard 3>it does not run well, the framerate dropping to 5FPS at pointsmore like sub 0.5 fps>Drakengard 3 is a joke.more like a cashgrab. game didn't even feel like a taro game.
>>739293534D3 proper only connects to 1.3The novella of D3 connects to 1 in a bunch of stupid and messy ways. I wouldn't worry about it.
>>739293328I'm not reading your post little bitch pussy.Your whole life is berserk because you're a fucking loser pussy faggot. Drakengard is just bullshit story that makes no sense that has nothing to do with berserk.Stop making a faggot manga your entire life you fucking fat fuck lmao!
>>739293534Ending 1 of D3 leads to D1.
>>739293534Not the same but related to The Watchers. We never find out how Zero was infected with it, other than she was at a very low point and wished from the deepest parts of her heart than humanity should be wiped out. The flower is an eldritch parasite that, sensing this, chose her as a good candidate to possess.While it gives her crazy powers and an inability to die, by being in her its growing stronger, getting ready to wipe out the planet. Realising her mistake, Zero tries getting rid of the flower: from ripping it out to killing herself. While none of this works, the flower protects itself by splitting Zero into five more "sisters". Happy enough that the flowers been weakened, and enjoying having a family (I think this is related to her initial genocidal wish), Zero cools off for a bit. She even uses her power to turn four doves into disciples for her sisters. These men were made to both watch over them and help them with their insane sex drives. As >>739293158 explains. I believe she does not give 1 a disciple as she thinks she is the strongest and most capable, and so didn't need watching over. (1 still decides to split herself to create a twin brother boyfriend anyway out of loneliness). The sex drive thing can be seen as fan service, but story wish its the parasites otherworldly compulsion to spread seeping into the women. Unfortunately for Zero, the five sisters split off and Zero watches from a far as, weaker as they are, they take over the world. They divvy up the land between them, and even convince the population that they are benevolent rulers and Zero is a demon trying to bring the world's end. Zero has enough and launches an assault on all five, only to lose and watching her dragon companion die. After recovering, and see her dragon reincarnate, she decides to tackle them one by one.Then the game happens, you ice all the sisters and take back their power. (1/2)
I only played Drakengard 3, via emulator. I would not play it on the original hardware due to awful performance. If you are going to play DLC make sure you downloaded the patched version. It's just stress free action game, only last boss is hard as fuck.
>>739294208(2/2)At some point Zero clocks that a dragon has the power to counter the flower. A lot of endings are based around her taking back her split power from her sisters, then having her dragon finally kill her to get rid of the thing. When this happens we're told that it "seed" flees to "another dimension". This is the background of the invasion of otherworldly beings seen in Drakengard 1.As for the red eyes, this is all thanks to One's twin brother - the guy Zero is unaware of. While the common theory is >>739294203, in truth Zero dies in most endings and One never does. Any ending that leaves off on this set up can lead to Drakengard 1. With all the sisters gone and One alive, he continues the church in his sisters name, which eventually leads to the cult of the watchers. The symbol of the 3-eyed-conjoined child is his homage to his love and origins, splitting from One. But the bottom line is while he is not an intoner, the flower keeps a connection to the dimension through him. Through this connection, the flower uses his body to spread the red eyes disease like spores. This is a mind control disease made to set up events over the course of a century to lead to the Flowers return, along with the child its been making while sealed away.And that's the origin of Red Eyes!
>>739293435Kino...
>>739293195>your>I'll it to youYou lost.
>>739294607Addendum notes:What does Zero's brother doing during all this mess in Drakengard? Who knows. We have one spin-off manga exploring one possible timeline where he tries to stop the cult, only to be beheaded and kept alive to continue its spread. Automata has the Red Eye disease. There's not official explanation other that it having mutated into a computer virus to survive, as the disease itself had become a living thing no longer looking to bring back the Flower but just survive. We even see it brand Adam with the symbol of the Watchers, more likely than not out of a subconscious pattern recognition impulse.
>>739294106are you ok dude?
>>739294208>>739294607>>739295023Great write anon thanks
Does emulation fix the bad performance? What dlc is needed/kino?
Drakengard 3 is my favorite Yoko Taro work, but the problem with it is that it's split among the base game, DLCs, and novels. Altogether, it's a fantastic story with fantastic themes, but you'd never get it from just the base game alone. A proper remake wouldn't just have to reimagine the gameplay but actually tell the story entirely within 1 release. Fucking Accord, the best character in the entire extended series, doesn't even show up until the final third of the story.
>>739295275>Does emulation fix the bad performance? Yes, and there's a 60 FPS patch>What dlc is needed/kino?All the character DLCs and the JP voices
>>739295306>AccordI fucking despise Accord. I do not want a fourth wall breaking quirk chungus robot running around the timelines.
>>739295336Thanks. Been meaning to get round to playing it.
>>739295023>Automata has the Red Eye disease. There's not official explanation other that it having mutated into a computer virus to surviveThe machine life forms are implied to be more lively than they look. In Japanese they're referred to as bio-machines and are compared to plants, their cores are used to make Yorha's black boxes and both are seemingly capable of using magic.It's entirely possible that I've the distant future, the machines will have evolved into being almost indistinguishable from humanity.
>>739295275I could run 60FPS or even 120FPS on emulator 120FPS has some glitches, you can't use the barrage skill of your dragon DLCs are not necessary but those missions give you A LOT of money, without them you will spend a lot of time grinding gold to unlock the full story because you need to buy all the weapons.
>>739295392>Rise and shine, missss Zero...>Rise... and... shine.
>>739285752I want remakes
>>739285752I ended up enjoying the combat but then Taro hit me with the old fuck you here's a rhythm game section and I never beat it
>>739295117I accept your concession and surrender pussy.
>>739295663
>>739295683>he lost
>>739295692i'm not the og anon but maybe i am the og gansta
>>739295640Its not even that its a rhythm game. That implies you can beat it by following some kind of rhythmNo, its just a really long pattern you need to memorise both the order of the buttons and WHEN to press them with no feed back.Well that's not true, there is feedback on the screen.... feedback design to through you OFF the intended sequenceNo to be fair, this is the point. The game spends 3 playthrough trying its damndest to teach you that killing is bad. The boss is, in itself, literally a punishment for ignoring the lesson and continuing passed the ending.
>>739295640>filtered by the highest form of kino
>>739295692Yeah, that aint me buddy, I stopped replying to you over an hour ago in favour of, you know, discussing the game. I also wont be reply again, but keep trying to bait me, maybe one day you'll get it!
i still think dod3 is the most possible dod to be remadeimagine the possibility>reimagined combat>proper restructuring of levels + inclusion of story essential DLCs>true ending getting adapted, not stuck in a fucking novel>proper localization>also proper fucking zero figurine or merchs
>>739295640Actual spoiler.It's a big fuck you, I've spend hours trying to beat it because you have to start from the very beginning each time you fail, that includes the cutscene. But even if you think you are done with it there is one final note you have to hit when the whole screen is black and dialogue starts.
>>739295785I fucking kneel
>>739295838>NTA!>T-THAT AINT ME! I SWEAR!!!!YOULOST
>>739295875>actual spoilernigger everyone knows about this and d1 endingsit's like saying everyone turns into tang during end of evaalso this shit sucks ass yoko taro is a fag
>>739295838>>739295907>these niggers don't use tomorrow what in the goddamn hell is wrong with you faggots
>>739285752Does someone have that image in higher res? It sends me to deviantart and I'm not making an account just to grab the original resolution
>>739295916I disagree, I didn't know anything about that before I played it last month.
>>739296024well you're a newfag so who cares
https://youtu.be/f49qsxE20dgthanks for reminding me
>>739292513No O, O, O, O, O rollslop? Sign me up.
>>739296089>*Mikhail screams in the background*
>>739286490>motion sicknessWhat the fuck is this? Is this like one of those made up illnesses people say they have to claim victimhood status?
>>739287120>>739287212Drakengard 1 is still worht playing for the story and characters. It's a an experience.
>>739288772>It had a weird retarded story that was typical of jap games at the time that made no senseHoly shit you're retarded. Everything in the story makes perfect sense.
>>739296447>loses the argument>pretends to be someone else>argument is it's a good story because it's like berserkAbsolutely pathetic lmaooo! Berserk is one of the sloppiest normiest manga garbage lmao fucking retard.
>>739296325Yes. Just like ADHD.
>>739288772I know "le confusing Japanese games" is the party line here but its normally referring to games like Kingdom Hearts 3 not fucking Drakengard you dunce
>>739285752How does her spine work like that?
>>739296598>he lost>still going
>>739296089Goddamn these games could be literally unplayable and I'd still buy for these soundtracks
>>739285752As a 32yo virgin, it was pretty difficult for me playing this game. She pretty much makes fun of me throughout the whole thing.
>>739296325Yes, made up illness that affects mostly gay people and women.
>>739294208>>739294607>>739295023This is really cool lore desu
>>739294208Why did the sisters turn on Zero?
>>739296962Theyre all kinda unstable but end of the day Zero is the one trying to kill them for taking over, which to them is just something that comes naturallyLike 5 tries to murder Zero but she makes it very clear she'd rather just fuck her, and 4 (while probably an act) spends the whole fight begging for them to make peace3 and 2 are not lucid enough to decide to actively hunt her, its more their disciples taking actions to protect them form Zero. 1 is just defending her kingdom and lover. I think, like the flower's urge to spread manifesting as a high sex drive, its desire to survive also seeps into its hosts. Then again, anyone would defend themselves if some maniac poixie murder comes to stab them, so maybe not. The big sales pitch of D3, before you play it and see why Zero is doing any of this, is that you play as "the villain". Here are these five nice sisters and youre the foul mouth murderer killing them all for (seemingly) no reason. Woah!Its a bit of a different take on Caim being an antihero at best.
>>739295868It would never go through SE ethics department unscathed today.
>>739285752it drags on a bit
why did they translate it as "intoner" when siren would've worked just fine?
>>739296485What are you talking about? You sound unhinged.
>>739286949Holy SHIT dude the first time I activated intoner mode and the boss immediately did it back to me and we started just fighting like crazy was the most hype I've ever experienced in a video game
>>739292691>inspired by cuckoldrywow hard pass then
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>>739297428>Slopzerk loser keeps losing
>>739296962Zero literally tried to kill them right after giving birth to them, although One seemed to know she was hostile already thanks to the flower. All of them have false memories though so in their minds Zero was an awesome big sister until one day she went nuts and decided to kill all of them.
>>739297591Not quite, see >>739294208
>>739297591Why would she give them companions after trying to kill them?
The drakengard/Nier series taken as a whole has perhaps the deepest lore and most powerful overall story in vidya. It's true art in a way vidya often is not Drakengard 1 is a fascinating, unique, unforgettable, but bad game. Maybe watch the full plot on YouTube, though nothing really matches the experience of dragging through a game designed to be miserable and tell its own story multiple times, getting increasingly schizo each time. D1 is pure insanityDrakengard 2 wasn't made by Taro and doesn't existNier Replicant is a masterpiece which you MUST play. Play it through to completion, watch every "ending". Steam remaster is the best version. Greatest soundtrack and most powerful story in vidya, pretty handily.Drakengard 3 is fun, has amazing characters and has several story beats that are absolutely crushing, especially if you're a lore fag. Play this tooNier Automata is good, but wildly over hyped, and has largely annihilated the community that used to surround the series by infusing us with normies who haven't played the series and only want to talk about cosplay girls forever and ever. It's not a bad game; it's brilliant, actually, but it's inferior to Nier Replicant and I somewhat loathe it. Play it.
My whore wife, Zero!
>>739293158>And 0? She's a detached hedonistZero is partially so horny because she's attempting to kill the flower and it wants to procreate>>739293258Taro's universe has the deepest, most thought-out lore in video games. Like many things, people who say "the story didn't make sense!" are simply stupid
>>739297821I find myself to care less and less for Automata over the years simply because it's about robots. They're not alive to me, so what's the point?
>>739298036All six of their high sex drives can be traced to the Flower's influence, it just extrapolated their tastes to crazy levels
>>739298085I fear you missed the point of Automata. "What counts as alive? As human? Where's the line?" is like THE core theme
>>739298195Yes and I clearly don't agree with Taro, I started feeling a lot stronger about this over the last few years, that's why I grow less and less attached to Automata. Robots/machines can never be alive.
What did she mean by this?
>>739298254You have to accept the machines in automata are thousands o fyears more advanced than anything we'll ever see.They have free will, emotions, hell, they have sex drives and even learn how to procreate. What are they lacking? That's the point
>>739298195To expand.The Japanese believe objects can develop a "spirit" of their own, they're animists. While I think this is somewhat true, I still don't consider them to be alive the way a plant, an animal or a human is alive.>>739298334I don't think that's possible.
>>739297821i love automata but one thing that amazes me everytime i play it and rarely see anyone mention is the absolute dogshit balance. even dod3 feels tightly designed in comparison.
>>739298289You know what she meant by this. Its not unclear.
>>739298357>I don't think that's possible.You understand that Automata isn't a documentary correct?
>>739298289Pretty obvious. She meant his chest and back. She likes to lay on top of you and cuddle.
>>739298357Its a fictional story. A thought experiment.
>>739298419>>739298468Right, it's fictional transhumanist propaganda. Do I have to agree with the ideas of the author?
>>739298484Oh now we get to the root of the problem. Its find not to like Automata, its fucking nutso to think its some chink psyop. Welcome to Sci-fi! Its a whole fucking genre. We have it in the West too!
>>739294607>And that's the origin of Red Eyes!I hate DG3 for this shit so much. The first game had a perfect setup that did not need further explaining, it was mind control by beings beyond human understanding. Then comes DG3 and shits wikicized lore all over it for autists to obsess over.
>>739298484Bro must have been shitting his pants in terror when this propaganda hit the cinema
How many 24-hour nonstop fucking sessions did Octa have with Three?
>>739298484>the story is talking about something, meaning it's propagandaimagine living your life like this. i can only feel pity
>>739292324>fighting back against eldrithc horrors is le badTaro is a midwit and Caim was completely right.
>>739298484
>>739298606Brother they caused the eldritch horrors to flourish by killing kids and making deals with monsters. It's literally Caim's fault.
>>739298526What is your point? I said what I think from the very beginning.I don't like it and I don't care about it as much.You people seem to be upset by the fact that someone thinks objects cannot be alive.Yeah, Asimov was transhumanist propaganda too.Again, what is your point?Am I not allowed to have ideas that differ from the author's?
>>739285752Random dudes canonically got to pound that ass.
>>739298650You are fucking retarded. The cult of the Watchers existed before Caim was even born, they sacked his kingdom and murdered his parents. He became the way he is because of them.
>>739298484I didnt know Doctor Who was an anime
>>739298606It's never presented as bad. It's just they are actual eldritch horrors and humanity really, really isn't equipped to properly fight back against them. And also the dragons are niggers and just as bad.
> the weapon stories in Drakengard 1 reference the events of Nier and the rest of the series years before they releasedPeak
>>739297821I was initially hyped to play Automata after finishing Replicant (a really funny remake btw in that it's worse than OG because it's longer) but the game is just abysmal. Probably the shittiest Platinum title to exist, it nearly instantly started feeling like a chore
>>739298289She wants to eat his ass
>>739298484>transhumanist propaganda>when the bots literally are searching for any traces of humans because they are hard coded to suck them off>even after humanity is long gone the robot bitches can't stop lusting after big meatbag cock
>>739298762got examples?
>>739298604That is literally what propaganda is. You present a certain idea that you want to spread and do so in a way that makes said idea more palatable to the public.I pity >>739298701What does this even mean?I find it hilarious how being against transhumanism upsets so many people and elicits such irrational responses, as if it were a personal attack agaisnt them.
>>739298778Replicant gets more powerful and more interesting with every playthrough, but automata's second pathway where you play as 9S is almost impossible to stomach because it's soooooooo repetitive and boring
>>739298667But you dont like it because you don't understand its themes. Its not even demanding you accept their humans. Like the core cast, it just wants you to think about the question. This is basic sci-fi stuff. >I dont believe robots can be advanced enough so I dont like itLiterally doesn't matter if it could happen in real life or not. It's a fictional though experiment>Actually I don't like it because its mindwashing propaganda by asians to make me fall in love with my toasterThis. This is the part where you went off the deep end. I didnt like Mixtape. But I didnt like it cause I thought it was a poorly told story, not because I thought it was subliminal Jewish hypnosis trying to trick me into getting circumcised.
>>739298667>Am I not allowed to have ideas that differ from the author's?spare me with your victim complex, it's juvenile. no one is saying you aren't allowed to think whatever you want. we're still free to make fun of you for being an idiot with a baffling approach to storytelling.a story can be just that, a what if, a thought experiment. not everything has to be a fucking battle of ideologies or whatever the hell you seem to think they are.
>>739298667> Normal players: "Where does humanity start when the lines are this blurry?" Thats interesting but I dont think anyone in the game would count. I think you need an indescribable element, like a soul. Interesting to think about in a story, but I think I disagree.> You: THE CHINKS ARE TRYING TO GET ME TO FUCK MY REFRIDGERATOR AND TRICK ME INTO THINKING CLANKERS HAVE FREE WILL *IN REAL LIFE*!! I HATE THIS NIER AUTOMATA! I HATE THIS AUTHOR!
>>739298853In Drakengard 1, Skald's Song (Japanese name: Devol'Popol) is a sword whose weapon history discusses two blacksmithing sisters. There's some issue of non-linear time in the setting, but Devola and Popola were probably these sisters directly, or built in their image.
>>739298853There is one that references devola and popola(by name, it's literally called deborupoporu in jap).
>>739298679And he tried to deal with them in a way that made them more powerful. This isn't hard.
>>739298851Ridiculously exaggerated point that doesn't disprove what I said.
>>739298870>Replicant gets more powerful and more interesting with every playthroughNah that's cap. It shows pretty much everything it has to show on the second playthrough. 3rd and 4th you're slogging through to get to the end, 5th is the same, padding until you get to the actual good part. Ending E actually exposes Taro as a big fraud, but whatever.
>>739299103No? His involvement defeats them in three of the endings and it's Inuart that fucks up the fourth. Without Caim, the war would have been decided when the flying fortress nuked the last army of the Union you fucking retard. You never played the game, all that you know about is that there are umm...magical pacts and umm....le heckin pedo priest and...oh, right protagonist kills children! Kill yourself, you stupid fucking nigger.
>>739299149Ending E was written long before 1.2.
>>739299184Holy larp, you never played the game I see The Watchers are never defeated in any ending. At most they squish the girl running the cult. Big whoop, they'll possess someone else. Did you ever wonder what the point of the Cults commandments are?
>>739299258I know, it doesn't take away from my belief. You don't stake your big ending on sacrifice and then write that away.
>>739285752If this is allowed vidya butts should be allowed
>>739285752wtf is this ASS?
>>739299317Ending A is canonically good, in that the world is saved for at least 20 years. D is implied to be good as well. E is ambiguous.
>>739298927What are you talking about? You make assumptions about me based on nothing. Who said I don't understand its themes? Who said I didn't think about what it means to be alive?>>I dont believe robots can be advanced enough so I dont like itI never said this. This is not my argument.It's not a matter of how advanced they can be. This is clearly what YOU believe kek and you ascribe it to me.Yes, the game gives a clear answer on the topic, it is propaganda whether you like it or not. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It is a bad thing in my opinion because I think the idea that machines cna be alive is the exact opposite of what humanity needs right now and it's a very dangerous idea.You don't seem to be able to conceive opinions different from yours. I'm sorry for you.>>739298963The only idiot here is you, you have no understanding of what is happening and what people are saying. This has nothing to do with storytelling. The storytelling in Automata is good. The concepts are bad.No, ideas are never "just that", this is exactly what people with bad intentions want you to believe and only fools believe it (not saying Taro specifically has bad intentions). That is why words and stories are powerful, they shape the reality around us, eventually.words>ideas>culture>politics>>739299045But the game has its own opinion. The machines/robots are obviously presented as alive.Yeah, I disagree, I don't see how that makes me example number two aside from the fact you got butthurt because I used the word propaganda.
>>739299623>The machines/robots are obviously presented as alive.Correct for the fact that it's fucking Taro, who's been obsessed with "are we the baddies" for two games and one remake now.
>>739298853Balberith's Tears is the vague basis of the plot of Nier Replicant, and Spiked Wisdom is the same for Nier Automata
>>739299771Drakengard 1 is also "are we the baddies" to an extreme extentThe evil that can be done in pursuit of good is a major theme of Drakengard/Nier
>>739299929Literally nothing caim does is even remotely evil. The most you can say is his party members aren't good people.
>>739299929No it fucking isn't. DG1 is fighting against the most ontologically evil shit possible.
>>739300006He murders children and allows his teammate to eat babies
>>739295476I thought it was the aliens that created the machines that were compared to plants? That was why the machines killed them all. They were boring.
>>739300281While the cult are evil, its absolutely a Evil Army vs Equally Evil Army story
>>739286594it's not that bad unless you call down the dragon for aid on the ground or are dealing with shitty wizardsunfortunately the expensive fucking DLCs tend to lag like motherfuckers on average, especially with III and I
>>739300391Killing enemy combatants isn't murder. If they didn't want to die they shouldn't be on the battlefield.
>>739300391The "children" are weird shapeshifting deceitful reptilian fucks.
>>739298289She doesn't want to catch a wiff of ass stink while gargling his balls.
>>739300453>Equally Evil ArmyWhat exactly is "equally evil" about not wanting the world to be destroyed?
It's more than that.The game and the final boss are a work of art.I gotta say don't listen to >>739288772 because he clearly hasn't played the game.
>>739300453Name a single bad thing caim's army does.
>>739300947they didn't slaughter all those motherfucking red crossbowmen, lazy FUCKS
>>739299623you give stories far too much credit. i say this as a writer who has been making a good living out of it for many years. stories are less than a speck of shit in the gran scheme of things. the overwhelming majority of times the most they will accomplish, whatever the medium, is confirm the audience's own biases, even if it requires wild misinterpretations of the intended original story or its themes, if it even had them. your understanding of narrative seems utterly joyless, unable to suspend your disbelief and poisoned with some kind of academia brainrot i would want no part of.
>>739285752yes except 3, 3 is garbage from start to finish just read the utahime five manga that shit is pretty damn good.
>>739285752Only the original is good, the rest are trash, especially 3.
2 is a good game. It's story isn't as interesting as 1 but the gameplay is actually good.
>>7393016052's story and gameplay are good. I always feel like I'm the only one in /v/ who played it.I think it's the only DoD game that actually has a level dedicated to explaining what the dragons are.
>>739287030Yea and the story dlc never got the Japanese voices too. =)
>>739301717The story is meh, but it does expand the setting nicely. Great gameplay though, really enjoyable if you like hack and slash games.
>>739287212Family Status: none
>>739301717I gave up on it when the story ran out of things for the protagonist to do and made up a D&D session tier story about some merchants needing help. Does it get better after that?
>>739301442The entire point of art is to make you think. But think what? Art is a medium of communication between the artist and the user. What this means is that, unlike what many believe, art is made to make people (the user) think a certain idea, not a random one they came up with on their own.Academia has nothing to do with this, these are my own ideas born from observation, and I do enjoy art profoundly. I stated that I don't think propaganda is bad per se. I do enjoy a good story. I enjoy the tragedy in Taro's works, I just think it falls flat in Automata because the characters are machines when you think about it rationally. It's still an enjoyable, well crafted game, and it definitely works wonders as propaganda, as you can see from the reaction my opinion elicited from the people in here.>stories are less than a speck of shit in the gran scheme of thingsThis is true but you're failing to see the bigger picture. Just like a single wave against a cliff is nothing, multiple waves over the course of years shape the cliff in an extreme manner. All ideas are powerful, some are more dangerous than others, like transhumanism.
>>739285752Zero is such an unapologetic whore, and I love it.
>>739302134Maybe it's not obvious but the conclusion is>All ideas are powerful, some are more dangerous than others, like transhumanism.So why should we accept them even if they represent a single wave? I think we shouldn't and we should have the presence of mind to resist certain ideas.
>>739302134>The entire point of art is to make you think.i strongly disagree. the point of art is to make you FEEL.
>>739302305Yes but feelings translate into ideas. That's the whole point. That is why propaganda can work.This is how art worksartist has feeling>rationalizes it>abstracts it into artwork>user experiences art>experiences feeling>feeling leeds to ideaIt's not a random process, whether consciously or unconsciously the artist puts meaning into the art he makes and the user, whether consciously or unconsciously, extracts that meaning (and absorbs it if the art is good, which doesn't mean the idea embedded in the art is good per se).
>>739293158I think Decadus is her favorite just because he's the most well behaved. Dito's an unpleasant shithead, Octa's a sleazy degenerate, and Cent is suicidally depressed.
>>739302305I will add that this is why narrative control in politics is everything. It's why they call it "pro-choice". Because words make people feel a certain way.
>>739301804you can patch the DLC stories to have the Japanese voice over, but it's a little janky and it also messes up the main game audio so it's best to do after you finish the main game.
I dont want another game where the protagonist turns out to be a necrophiliac grannyfucker/homosexual scat fetishist in some obscure japanese stageplay or book not shown or sold in the west and all discussion about the game turns into talking about the female characters big futa cock and NTR fetish or something else as sick
>>739302134>The entire point of art is to make you think. But think what? Art is a medium of communication between the artist and the user.leftist rhetoric that makes no sense
>>739303151It makes perfect sense and it's not leftist ideology, it's just description of reality. Everyone with half a brain understands that truth, be they communists, liberals, conservatives, nazis, traditionalists or whatever.
If Drakengard was any good they'd be remembered for more than the rhythm game endings and dragon vs fighter jet twist ending.
>>739303776Good thing I remember it for more than those things then.
>>739303824lol you don’t
God I want to cum in Five
>>739303776The music is good
>>739303949(female) Miquella
>>739302630we're entering a tangent but the instances in which propaganda in art can work are somewhat limited i would say. in the right conditions it can be effective at rewriting history but i feel it's practically useless when it comes to convincing its audience of specific political ideas they didn't agree with before. of course, there's times that political ideas laregly require rewriting history (like fascism), and that's when the waters get muddier. i also don't think feelings necessarily translate into ideas, certainly not coherent ones at least, but i digress.
>>739304332If you watch a movie like 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days you will empathize with the female character because that's how the movie is constructed, regardless of your opinion on the matter.If you watch a movie like Arrival you will also empathize with the female character because that's how the movei is constructed, regardless of your opinon on the matter.Yet the movies are about opposite ideas. So how can you hold opposite ideas? You don't, you're just manipulated by the movies.The movie is a seed that will sprout with time, under favourable conditions. Alone is just a single wave, but if there are follow ups around you it will have a lasting effect.
>>739285752she looks like she wants rough anal
>>739288493For real.
>>739298484just dropping by to laugh at this retard
I never played any yoko taro game. Is plot really about sex? I've never seen any non-R rated japanese game talk about such topics. Odd. Can I get a quick rundown without spoilers?
>>739305470>ad hominem because butthurt brainlet can't form a rational thought
>>739305641stop trying to propaganda me retard
>>739298484lmaoooooo we have an amish here
>>739305617>without spoilersImpossible.There's >>739293158 and >>739294208 but there are quite a bit of spoilers.
>>739298484im just lurking and laughed out loud at how retarded you are. kill yourself
>>739305715>>739305798Notice how no one answers the simple question in the post, they all just sperg out.>>739305679Oh wow you sure showed me!
>>739305891>says the sperg sperging out the entire threadkill yourself lol
>>739305891aiiiiiie stop you're going to invade my mind with your propaganda and I'm going to get demoralized nooo I can't stand other opinions aiiieee
>>739305727but is it subtle about these or is it told openly in game? I know many non R-rated games have sexual undertones and symbolism.
>>739305967>expressing rational thoughts is the same as sperging outThis site is so over.>>739305995You don't seem to be able to stand my opinion very well kek.
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>>739306031I guess both. Some things are explicit, some are left to the imagination. You also have the usual problem of translation with these games.
>>739304909i'm not convinced. i'm going to ramble a bit now but if a protagonist is some kind of criminal, even if they're a really bad person, I might empathise with them to some degree but there's a limit to that. if the protagonist is someone whose ideas and values are in direct opposition to mine (specially if they're explicitly political in nature), i won't care where the film might be trying to steer me towards, i most likely will not empathise with that person even if i might still enjoy the work itself. regardless, it is a thought worth considering. you're more thoughtful i initially assumed (easy to do that in this place) even if we stand in disagreement, so i apologise for my previous rudeness. i will say however, that at the risk of sounding dismissive or anti-intellectual, i think sometimes it's better for one's own health to just turn off the brain for a bit and let a story just be a story.
>>739298289the guy begged to suck her pussy and eat her shit
>>739306031It is not remotely subtle in this game.Dito's a bloodthirsty jackass and possibly a necrophiliac.Octa's a dirty old man to a tee and makes euphemisms to his penis and stamina.Decadus groans in arousal at every insult or reminder of pain/discomfort/disdain due to his masochism kink.Cent is an annoying retard (on purpose).Every single Intoner has a sex drive, but Zero's the one that blatantly discusses it more than a handful of times (Five too but that's just one of her character gimmicks).
>>739305617It's something like this:>Drakengard 1: biblical apocalypse wild ride>Drakengard 3: animay pastiche>Nier: half postapo kino, half forced feelies>Automata: forced feelies and robot butt
>>739306143please have mercy anonsama stop propagandizing to me I am very weak willed I cannot see words or ideas without assuming they are trying to influence me please tasukete onegai senpaitachi
>>739306330How do I get into these games? Should I start with drakengard 1 or 3 or nier automata?
>>739306031Literally everyone has a fetish and they are explicit about what that fetish is, from villains to your own party. There's plenty of flavor text heavily implying (if not outright stating, it's been a while) that everytime you rest your party has orgies/Zero fucks like crazy.Drakengard 3 is very much "hey what if anime idols but they were unabashedly sexual deviants and crazy?" that's all the intoners and their boytoys
>>739306385So you're not denying it's propaganda, you're claiming it doesn't have an effect on you?Do you even know what you're rambling about?You don't sound very intelligent.
>>739306513Whatever's most accessible for you, I guess. People get deep into the series mainly thanks to the lore and how the some of the endings interconnect the games.
>>739306616I'm begging you anon please stop propagandulating me I am incapable of nuance and must assume a writer is arguing for all depictions they put in their workyou are breaking my glass house of load bearing support beliefsplease have mercy anon I just want to be in propagandaland where yoko taro forces me to love robots and think AI is good because he wrote a story where humanity was le dead
>>739306513i recommend starting with nier. if you like it then you can do drakengard 1 and 3 or go directly to automata. the order doesn't matter than much except with the nier games, since there's a bunch of references and details in automata you'd miss otherwise.
>>739306513Release order. Skip drakengard 2 unless you're morbidly curious at what a PG13 version of Drakengard by a different director looks like
>>739306223>. if the protagonist is someone whose ideas and values are in direct opposition to mine (specially if they're explicitly political in nature), i won't care where the film might be trying to steer me towardsWell that's the difference between good and bad propaganda. Good propaganda understands how to market ideas that are not very digestible. As I said, it's all a matter of narrative.>i most likely will not empathise with that person even if i might still enjoy the work itself. regardless, it is a thought worth considering.Yes, this can be true for you, but not for everyone else. It's also true for me. I can still enjoy Automata to a certain extent, I just don't enjoy it like I first played it because I changed as a person and I developed strong values that are antithetical to its message over time.You have to keep in mind that propaganda, even the best one, will never work on everyone. The goal is not convince everyone, it's just to convince the masses. Like the mindless idiots that putting themselves on display right now in this thread.I don't mind rudeness at all, what I do mind is not engaging in ideas, as you can tell I gave your post the respect they deserved, unlike the treatment I reserved to the other brainless retards incapable of presenting a single argument.
>>739306513Start with Nier Replicant, it's a great game and starting point. Then you can explore Automata or Drakengard 1 and 3.
>>739307084Anon, you don't know what propaganda is. You are using the term so loosely it devalues the actual meaning. In your world every story is propaganda, so what is actual propaganda? The actual thing everyone else but (you) knows?Arguing for your beliefs isn't propaganda. Creating a story with themes you believe in isn't propaganda. You get one person seriously engaging with you because you're a complete buffoon and it's apparent to everyone else. You, my poor retarded friend, are the complete retard and worthy of the mocking you receive.
>>739307084>As I said, it's all a matter of narrative*narrative framing
>>739306619>>739306946>>739306950>>739307172Thank you anons. I guess I will start with nier.
>>739285752it's better than nier
>Did I play the DLC? I don't remember seeing ones brother husband>I do remember the DLC weapons being a huge upgrade and that I should have used them to get all the gold chests afterwards though>I'll download it and replay it>Myrient is gone>Everywhere else is the base game ROM not even the JP DLCIt's one of the top rated games on vimms, do people really play D3 without the DLC? I know many people have a soft spot for the dub as if you played it on the PS3 you kind of had to but Zero's DLC is pretty fucking important for the plot unlike 3's which is just filler, 5's DLC which is just an excuse to makes jokes about her pussy smelling like a deadfish while Dito is a being a faggot the whole time>noooooo don't squeeze me against your boobs nooooo don't rub your pussy on my face noooooOh no how awful being smothered in affection by canonically the hottest woman in the world who dotes on you, should have added a pegging scene for Dito instead to explain why he was being such a faggot
>>739307267>Anon, you don't know what propaganda is. You are using the term so loosely it devalues the actual meaning. In your world every story is propaganda, so what is actual propaganda? The actual thing everyone else but (you) knows?Maybe. Maybe not.Take From Software games. They present different and opposite ideas but you never feel like the authors support any of those ideas. They always leave the judgement to the user.>Arguing for your beliefs isn't propagandaBut that's the point. Art is never a honest arguing of beliefs like a conversation would be because of the intrinsic emotional element that characterizes it. If you will, art is more similar to a debate than to a conversation.I think people are so desensitized to being manipulated in the modern world that they laugh at the person who points it out. Fools.
>>739307687I got my dlcs from https://nopaystation.com/But I could not change the VA language to JP in those DLC, only for the base game.
>>739298870>replicant is so fun to play the same exact game over and over again to get the final ending>automata is a slog and boring to play a different character telling the story of things you didn’t see or things you did see but from a different angle I can’t take Taro shills seriously because of crap like this. Replicant literally pads the game by having you do the exact same second half multiple times with only 30 seconds of new content compared to automata doing it once, but you actually do different stuff and get different cutscenes. You guys are delusional.
>>739307804Peak midwitThis entire world is a bunch of screaming apes carving out their existence and reaffirming their beliefs, all art is a reflection of the creator innately (hence all art is political) and even in FromSoft games you can in fact find moral judgements from the developers, let alone broader ideas no different than anything else.Everyone who puts pen to paper has something they're saying or expressing. Retards get confused when that something is very status quo or neutral to them because they don't see that acceptance of the status quo is itself a stanceSo there's no maybe, you don't know what propaganda actually means and think you're enlightened by realizing art says something, always.
>>739308393Not that guy but Nier's second playthrough completely changes everything with being able to understand the shadows. I don't remember Automata's 2nd playthrough changing anything that drastically and plus 9S is horrible to play as and listen to
>>739309150Automata doesn't have anything like that no9S is great to play as though, hacking is fun as fuck
The best part of Drakengard is Caim and Angelus' story
>>739309252the thing that got me the most during 9S's part was N2 suddenly showing uplegit made me question if I was seeing things
>>739285752I like it but you won't.
>>739308534I could go on a rant like you did to say that you don't realize what propaganda is, instad I will ask you this.1) What is propaganda, if I'm incorrect?2) Give an example of a moral judgement in From Software games.Take the merchant woman in Valley of Defilement, she is a victim of her circumstances whom you initially feel pity for but you quickly realize she's a vulgar person with a dark heart that speaks ill of others because she resents them for her condition. Then you meet Astraea, who in contrast is a pure woman who sullied herself and gave up that purity to be of help to those who are suffering. The game plays with the contrast between the two. One is human but is a monster, the other has become a demon but is pure. What to make of it? It's left to interpretation.All their games are like this. There's no definitive answer.Meanwhile in Automata it's obvious the machines/androids are to be considered alive. Anyone who denies this and pretends it's left to interpretation is either retarded or disingenous.Maybe you think people are apes, I don't think they are. I think they're sacred beings. This is clearly why you don't think Automata is propaganda, you don't seem to have a high opinion of mankind (and that is by design, if you haven't realized, very common sentiment among the West, fruit of malicious agents).
>>739286949still better gameplay than both niers
>>739300904>reddit spacing>hasn't played the game>thinks berserk the normie slop is high art
>>739310759Propaganda is very specifically pointed to achieve an outcome. It is by design intended to achieve an actual result, and it does so by typically intentionally misleading people and cherry picking facts. For something to be propaganda, it has to have an express, intentional outcome. Nothing about Automata being a cast of robots makes it propaganda for transhumanism.>moral judgement in From Software games.If you didn't notice, Demon's Souls specifically has world tendency afflicted by actions considered good and evil; character tendency, too. Demon's Souls isn't very ambiguous in any of that. The entire game begins because a power hungry asshole fucked everything up for everyone in his kingdoms. To even use your own example, there's not much ambiguity in the game about Astraea. Her actions are very directly shown to be creating as many or more problems than they solve as she's created a cult around herself that murders in her name. She has taken on the mantle of God for the people of this valley and this is, in fact, bad. Which is why she is a Demon. There's nothing ambiguous about this unless you just don't read into it. The game is very clear that she strived to do good but in doing so performed evil. Dark Souls from the getgo establishes that people killing others and sucking their life force is actually bad, and invading players is bad and you will be punished for it. There's not much of a moral crisis about whether Petrus's actions were justified. The game very clearly paints both him and Lautrec's actions as, effectively, evil with little arguments or justification otherwise. They're simply unambiguously self-serving, which itself is broadly considered bad in the universe of the games. This is a moral stance, one you simply haven't noticed apparently.And though there's still arguable ambiguity, Dark Souls 1 itself paints a very heavy picture of the Dark and any attempts towards an Age of Dark resulting in horrible conditions.
>>739297684To stop this from happening
>>739310759cont.>Meanwhile in Automata it's obvious the machines/androids are to be considered alive.That's not propaganda anon. That's you having a hangup about something in particular you don't like. This game isn't telling you to love ChatGPT or that your car is a sacred being. They're super science magical beings in a world where humanity died thousands of years in the future and aliens have shown up. It is a basic premise, but you're lost in the sauce of thinking anything that doesn't bend over backwards and say "actual humans are super special and have souls and are sacred and can never be emulated" is attacking you, but actually you're just crazy.>You don't seem to have a high opinion of mankindSorry brother we aren't magical entities created by a magical sky daddy, we're a bunch of apes figuring the world out. It's not a high or low opinion, it's reality. We're cocktails of hormones and bacteria and our thoughts are dictated not by an unquantifiable soul but by organic computation.
>>739297657I'm right, it's in the novelization. I don't blame anyone for not reading side content that wasn't translated for about a decade and filling in the ambiguities of the game with headcanon, but this is officially what happened.
>>739309150You’re still playing as brother, still fighting the same bosses, with the same shallow and boring combat, same cutscenes, same characters, same music, can’t skip jack, same miserable style of side quest, same areas. The remaster added a boss, and yes, you understand the shadows, but it doesn’t matter, because the first run through had you questioning what the shadows were, so the big reveal is hardly big. So cool, the second time you’re forced to play the game again, you get a couple scenes with extra dialogue, but it doesn’t change anything, you still kill them, the characters don’t understand them, just the player, so who cares? Do it again, oh, it’s the same. Do it again, still the same. Automata at least had the decency to change the combat and character you play as, adding different side quest so you can learn more about the lore other than unskippable cutscenes you’ve already seen. Replicant is a chore, that’s just how it, it’s designed to be a chore, not fun, not entertaining, it makes you suffer, and you either hate it because you realize it sucks or you cope with it and try and act like Taro is a genius for writing crap and having bad combat. Choose your poison, or just don’t play it.
If Zero and Caim met would they get along or try to kill eachother? I suppose they would have a shared enemy and come to terms maybe?
>>739313284>the big reveal is hardly bigfeel pity for anyone who didn't get to enjoy this game before everyone knew what it was aboutyou have no clue what the fuck the deal is with anything until the second part, the reveal is absolutely a big reveal. You don't get very much indicating what's going on apart from that shades are definitely some kind of beings that aren't mindless, but that they're souls of humanity in battle with the bodies of humanity is complete kino and I won't hear otherwiseThat reveal and the reveal of the Shadowlord and what doing anything even means is kino of the highest order, a perfect game storyAbsolutely bogged down by repetition of quests though, no argument there, it'd be nice if the second part had more variety
>>739313284>You’re still playing as brotherUmmmm ackshually I own the 360 version chuddy
>>739312106>Nothing about Automata being a cast of robots makes it propaganda for transhumanismNot my argument, my argument would be that it pulls at heartstrings by portraying them as humans to make you feel bad for robots the same way you would feel for human beings. It's great at that.>Propaganda is very specifically pointed to achieve an outcome. It is by design intended to achieve an actual result, and it does so by typically intentionally misleading people and cherry picking facts.How does this definition not apply to all art? All art is an attempt by the author to communicate something to the users. It's a very generic definition.I guess you are techincally right about Demon's Souls. I don't consider debatable bad things being bad and good things being good. Like if you have a monster killing people that is bad. Killing it restores white world tendency. Murdering people who are not attacking you is bad. Murdering them creates black world tendency. Can anyone argue that these things are not good or bad? If they would they should be immediately dismissed.Some things are simply black and white and there's nothing to argue about them.But the rest is arguable.>there's not much ambiguity in the game about Astraea. Her actions are very directly shown to be creating as many or more problems than they solve as she's created a cult around herself that murders in her name. She has taken on the mantle of God for the people of this valley and this is, in fact, bad. Which is why she is a DemonThis is wrong. People seem to believe that the valley of defilement is the way it is because of Astraea when in reality it was like that prior to Astraea ever becoming a demon, she became a demon to help the people in the valley. Reason why she's holding her demon soul. She's not using the power for herself, even though her power might corrupt the valley even more against her best intentions.
>>739285752How does her organs work like that? Where is her spine?
>>739312106>Dark Souls from the getgo establishes that people killing others and sucking their life force is actually badAgain, is this even arguable? What deranged logic does someone have to use to argue it's not bad?I don't agree about the second part, Petrus' situation is not depicted as Lautrec's at all. One is an unapologetic murderer, the other is a coward hypocrite. Lautrec is never justified, Petrus is debatable.>And though there's still arguable ambiguity, Dark Souls 1 itself paints a very heavy picture of the Dark and any attempts towards an Age of Dark resulting in horrible conditions.This is a misconception that carries over from the early days. Once you analize the Japanese text and understand the themes developed in the subsequent games, like kegare, or stagnation, you understand that the age of dark might be better than the constant reignition of the flame to keep the world unchanging.
>>739314396> the valley of defilement is the way it is because of Astraea when in reality it was like that prior to Astraea ever becoming a demonit's literally not and her arrival worsened things>Anything and everything’s been the worst since that demon woman came, it has. The men look stupefied, incoherently mutter, and revere and support that woman; what’s more, if their eyes so much as meet mine, we’ll come under attack.Everyone that attacks in you VoD is doing so for Astraea's favor, attacking to gather offerings for their faux-Goddess. The Goddess who is actively channeling the powers of the old one, asserting she knows better than God and that such cruelty and despair wouldn't be allowed by a righteous God. She is, in every reading, not actually doing good. She is missing the forest for the trees, thinking that forming a contract and empowering the old one is worthwhile to alleviate the suffering of a select few. The ramifications of what she is doing are very clear, which is why the game very unambiguously states that though her intentions were good and she was a pure maiden, her work was in fact demonic and wrong. She is the very example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." There's no ambiguity, that is the story they told.>Magic that manifested from the soul of the demon “Maiden Astraea”. Completely recovers touched party.>Even though becoming the most unclean demon, the essence of Astraea is closer to the arts of God.It doesn't matter who she is using the power for. The end result is she's collecting souls and empowering the old one and furthering the decline of the lands in totality. Love and kindness are great until you're empowering an actual world devouring entity with it. Of course you can argue that perhaps nothing is better than humanity existing, but the game itself rather disagrees.>Not apply to all art?Because invoking feelings isn't the same as intending to get a tangible result.
>>739313565You know something is up, so you’re waiting for the shoe to drop and… oh that’s it? Alright. But wait, you need to play it again! And we understand them, alright, let’s see what happens. And it doesn’t matter. Nothing changes. It’s literally just us hearing them talk. The reveal of who and what they are would be cool, if they condensed all extra runs into the second, so you only replay it once. But they don’t, the reveal is so minimal it doesn’t matter, because the gameplay destroys any sense of caring. If Taro was actually ambitious he’d make it so the third run was actually different, us responding to the shades and changing how fights and events transpired, still slaves to saving ourselves, but things would go differently. But nope, I’m forced to rewatch the stupid sand people cutscenes and do the boring bore fights again. I also just didn’t care about anyone. I don’t know why, maybe it’s because I felt the writing was stiff? I don’t recall, I was probably just annoyed when I realized he made fetch quest apart of the main quest and that exploring areas didn’t matter. It’s just a bad game, and I couldn’t care about the story because the gameplay was rubbish.
>>739314069I knew someone would comment on that. I actually played the OG at my friend’s house for like an hour as a kid. We hated it, turned it off, and went outside. I was dumb enough to play it again decades later.
>>739312553>That's not propaganda anon. That's you having a hangup about something in particular you don't likeThat's not the argument. The argument is that the author doesn't leave it up to interpretation. I don't know why you keep doing this.I am crazy for what, thinking objects cannot be alive or on par with humans? Or is it because I cannot empathize with the robots in the story because I don't consider them to be alive? Is that all it takes for you to consider someone crazy? Seems like a pretty reasonable position to me, if anything I would be the one justified to call people crazy for thinking an object can be alive or for crying about objects. But I don't do that, I understand where they're coming from (and how they have been manipulated).
>>739314962Petrus is precisely as debatable as Lautrec. He literally encourages you to go take advantage of the naive little idiot he ran away from because he's a coward. If you won't debate whether murdering people and taking their shit is arguable you can't argue Petrus. He isn't apologetic in the slightest, he's the opposite. He's very happy with what he's done because he's happier to see them dead and to not be bothered, and part of THAT is purely down to him feeling slighted by class disparity. If you think anything he did was justifiable you might as well say yup, Darkwraiths are reasonable. What's wrong with a world where the powerful take from the less powerful? It's the animal kingdom, afterall, and huge amounts of human history are defined by these actions. Yeah not many people are likely to agree, but it's absolutely an arguable perspective and it achieves results.
>>739309150Anon. Look at this fucking thread. These people don't even like the games, they like the stories they had regurgitated to them in the form of YouTube videos.
>>739315393Yes, anon, that makes you crazy. It makes you real fucking weird you can't accept androids existing. It is, in fact, your hangup. There's no debate about this unless you have seriously particular views and feel offended if they aren't catered to. This isn't propaganda against your core beliefs. There is no place for the game to say "oh heh maybe all these things are just not actually in any way human like" just to satisfy your craving that umm machines can't be humans cus uhh my beliefs based on nothing concrete at all. It isn't putting forward arguments, there's no real argument it's making and try as you might you're not going to see proof in your life that we can or can't create artificial life most likely. You're crazy because you're shouting that anything not giving weight to your personal beliefs is "propaganda." And the thing is? That belief isn't that crazy. Plenty of people certainly believe that. Most people also aren't so fervently tied to that belief they think it's propaganda for a game to tell a story about robots being or becoming human because it touches on what is currently completely unknowable.
>>739293435That's piss or coom
>>739315213>it's literally not and her arrival worsened thingsIt literally is. Lots of people fell victim of that misunderstanding.Yes, the merchant woman is lying and misrepresnting things, that is the point of her character. You are supposed to get that from the way she treats her child. She's not a good person and is envious of Astraea, so she badmouths her.I'm not saying what Astraea did was correct, I'm saying that she had good intentions. The people were already affected by what was happening around them, all the demons appearing, stealing souls etc. That was not the work os Astraea.The fact that she was holding her demon soul should tell you how to read the situation. She's a demon alright but she's not like the other demons. She's not deformed. She doesn't attack you. And so on.You're wrong about this.This is a reflection on the human condition. The parallel between the two characters, the merchant mother and maiden Astraea. There's no opinion expressed here.
>>739315213>Because invoking feelings isn't the same as intending to get a tangible result.I have already argued this when I talked about the creative process.artist has feeling>rationalizes it>abstracts it into artwork>user experiences art>experiences feeling>feeling leeds to idea
>>739315962>androids existingOh I can accept them existing just fine. Why shouldn't I? I just don't think they're alive. Now think about Automata's story if someone doesn't think androids/robots are alive. It completely loses any weight. This is my initial point, two thousand posts ago.
>>739316108No, it's not.Yes, the woman badmouths Astraea. That doesn't matter. I'm not invoking the woman at all except for one bit of dialogue which is, in fact, completely true.The entire band of worshippers of Astraea are factually running amok and causing problems. She has 100% made things worse for the valley in her actions, and her cult is to blame. The cult that wouldn't exist without her.Yes, she had good intentions and it lead to a factually evil result and her empowering a greater evil. None of this is ambiguous. Her not attacking you doesn't matter. Garl attacks you. She knows she can't fight you. That doesn't mean anything though so I don't know why you brought it up. The end result of her actions is making things factually worse, both for the VoD inhabitants and the world at large.
>>739316608your initial point is sperging about it being transhumanist propaganda because you believe "propaganda" and "story" are interchangeable>I just don't think they're alive.They don't exist, so you're just conjecturing. This is the line where rationality devolves into you being a crazy person. A normal person can in fact accept a speculative work which either challenges their beliefs or is operating in a space of the unknown, rather than screeching it is propaganda for not embracing a baseless viewpoint that isn't in service to the story being told.
>drakengard thread>nierfags hijack it once again to argue about their sci fi nonsense lore>Yoko Taro's best writing was insane fantasy characters saving the world and he abandoned it for sci fi explaining every mental illness and rule-of-cool magic
>>739315962I think that's a lot of modern bullshit propaganda you've got there, you clearly fully drank the kool aid.Human life is sacred, we cannot shift from this paradigm if we want to have any semblance of good moraltiy. Attributing that very life to objects is evil. I'm not even exaggerating. You might not be aware of it but it is.It's scary how it's so common for people to believe otherwise and how easy it is to manipulate them into crying for fucking bolts and gears with a sad song and pretty visuals and a compelling narrative.The crazy one is you, friend.
>>739317009Drakengard 1 isn't a very interesting game when you get over "haha it's so crazy we have a cannibal! a pedophile! haha crazy!" literally the most interesting thing the story did was lead to OG nier, which is the most interesting game taro ever made
>>739316916>They don't exist, so you're just conjecturing. This is the line where rationality devolves into you being a crazy person. A normal person can in fact accept a speculative work which either challenges their beliefs or is operating in a space of the unknown, rather than screeching it is propaganda for not embracing a baseless viewpoint that isn't in service to the story being told.This is the equivalent of saying it's okay to have blacks in a game set in medieval europe because it's a fantasy. It's highly disingenous of context and serves to hide the intention.
>all these walls of textYou guys have been discussing the same things every single thread for years, doesn't it get boring?Post more fanart instead
>>739317071I think you're an actual idiot desperately trying to cope with reality and the lack of meaning in existence through sweet little lies. Please try not to spread your delusions to others.
>>739317310>fighting in the culture war makes me smart, actuallylollmao
>>739317339>>>/c/
>>739317339Not any of those niggas but the subject is interesting, morality is deeply rooted in the will of God and we know that in Drakengard God is an asshole, so being moral isn't necessarily equal to being good, i can post fanart for u though anon.
>>739317956>women = porn
>>739317624Is there an afterlife in Drake or no?
>>739317190TRUKE
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>>739285752Nah, is slop bait with bad fighting mechanics and a stupid story.The Dragoon that Drags have a better story than this one.
>>739286949https://youtu.be/eHe77yT6zLQ?si=s7IWx98NogZhQx8bwould not complain for a proper remake fro pc while expanding the limitations the original had like reusing areas...
>>739293435Why did she just stand there and watch? Do women like watching piss
>>739318318>bad fighting mechanics>hey anyway go play drakengard 1fucking lol
>>739318123There's definitely souls so possibly, i'm not a lorechad though.
>>739292628>>739292669You should google up contortionistsJust because YOU can't do some pose doesn't mean it's impossible
>>739318596aww, seething because your little lolibrown thread got deleted?
>>739318123drakengard never concerns itself with the afterlife in any real way and the only religion of the settings are all in service to the watchers/eldritch baby gods/parasites or whatever which are not really "god" of the setting in the way saying it might conjure, far moreso just (maybe?) eldritch beings than capital G God.
Name ten things that aren't dong ding.
schizo minds are fascinating in their derangement
>>739312239what is this? qrd?
>>739319354Four is expressing her (rightful) dominance over the other sisters by t-posing and elevating herself above them
>>739316730I'm too tired to continue but>Garl attacks youGarl doesn't attack you. He defends Astraea, very different.>>739317347Everyone has to cope with reality, we are all here.Lack of meaning in existence? Who's the idiot now?If you think life is not worth living go somewhere remote and stop spreading your poisonous ideas that make life more miserable for everyone else, like objects being alive.
>>739317415Not what the post says. Either stupid or malicious.
>>739318561>>739318823I guess my argument is that if there is a God(or gods like Hinduism or Shintoism) and they provide an afterlife like Christian heaven, or reincarnation, even a tier heaven like Mormons, then what they want is moral. Yea, he might be a jerk, but ultimately, they have what you want, guarantee happiness forever, so if he says killing and raping his enemies is okay, then that is moral. Yea, from our perspective that’s evil and not moral, but we have a God that says no, that’s not how you get to heaven, if Drakenguard god/gods say being a jerk is cool, then it’s cool.
>>739319541Garl attacks you. You try to walk forward and he attacks you. You don't attack him first. He there to fight on her behalf.>If you think life is not worth livingYou never do know what words mean, huh? What an odd takeaway, because that's not what I said at all, you mental midget. A lack of meaning to existence is not giving up on life nor encouraging anyone to.
>>739319683keep on worrying about the amount of blacks in your video games sweetie it is important and you're israel's strongest soldier
>>739287120Nier is objectively better than Nier Automata in nierly every way
>>739318551>Stupid enough to think im recomending the clanky first game.Your parents are cousins?.
>>739317190If Yoko Taro decided to develop his characters past one game then all of the Drakengard 1 cast would need to adapt to a world no longer on the brink of ending. Instead he abandoned them to write his sci fi nonsense. Drakengard 2 needed him and he said no. Drakengard 3 was him jerking off by making all the cast hot, insane women and the men subservient to whoever was the most deadly. NIER is him cowardly retreating behind layers of sci fi abstraction instead of committing to his character writing.
>>739319995lol
>>739319730yeah see that's the thing none of that is in thereno one knows what the watchers even want except maybe just killing everyone since that's what they really dowe're not shown any form of afterlife or reincarnation, and in fact the setting specifically has "souls" and "bodies" as distinct entities when it comes to Nier, but it also then goes on to basically show that despite being split they become distinct beings of their ownThe closest you get to "reincarnation" is that a number of things continually live on referentially, somewhere above there's a post about Devola and Popola, but there is never any serious discussion of what awaits after death (and the general idea seems to be nothing, the only god anyone believed in turned out to sick a bunch of babies on the world that proceeded to eat everyone)
>>739319789>You don't attack him first. He there to fight on her behalf.This is illogical, you can only have one or the other. He attacks you because you're there to hurt Astraea.>You never do know what words mean, huh?Do you? You just proved you don't understand logic.>A lack of meaning to existence is not giving up on life nor encouraging anyone to.It is. Maybe you don't realize this but it is. I guess people don't realize this because it's a thought that fights against their natural survival and self-preservation instinct, but the natural consequence of life being meaningless is to stop living.Again, basic logic.>>739319850Not what the post says. Yawn...
>>739320014so you don't recommend drakengard 3but the dragoon that drags is betterso is it drakengard 2 you want to recommend?
>>739319789Not him but that's stupid, every other boss lunges at you on sight, Garl is just applying castle doctrine.
>>739317339>Post more fanartSure.
>>739320167He's saying the story of Drakengard 1 is better than 2 and 3 but the gameplay for all of them are equally shit.
>>739295476>>739300408At some point the machine network merged with the humanity archives on the moon so that's presumably how the red eye disease made its way to machines and androids. There's also the whole fire of promethius story where beepy blesses all the machines and androids with the will to live which kind of feels like a cop out to me, but it's there.It's also worth noting that most of the "technology" in the Nier universe is actually just maso magic bullshit, so it hardly even really had to mutate into a computer virus
Which Intoner would let a virgin loser incel like me have sex with her?
>>739320105In that case, there are no gods. They are no different than a celebrity espousing their beliefs. You don’t write policy, enforce laws, or sentence people, you just have lots of money, but you provide nothing for me, so I don’t care. If the “god” can’t guarantee an afterlife or reincarnation for following their rules(morals), then what they say is meaningless. God in our world promises eternal life AND happiness in it, just follow my rules, so that is moral, because he has something to back it, so he must be right and good. Even if it was something like riches or happiness in the mortal coil, but nothing afterwards, then he’d be nothing of importance. Even if you disagree with his takes(abortions aren’t allowed ever), you have to agree it’s good, because he backs his argument with heaven if you listen.
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>>739320120>You're there to hurt Astraea.not really. Mechanically there are no other options, but in reality conversing with her would be a start. Obviously the game doesn't support that.>you can only have one or the other.Which is of course why the first person to throw an attack is Garl. Sorry brother, saying "don't cross this line or I'll attack" is still attacking.>It is. Maybe you don't realize this but it is.I'm afraid it's not actually. >The natural consequence of life being meaningless is to stop living.If you're retarded, I guess. Existence having no intrinsic meaning does not equal life isn't worth living.>>739320175And? For one it isn't his house, for two he's attacking anyone who comes to investigate this demon. Did you know if you say "cross this line and I'll shoot" in an alleyway you are still going to jail for shooting them even if they do it? Same shit brother. They both know what she's doing and both of them think the evil she's feeding is worth it to alleviate the suffering of a few people. They aren't dindu nuffins.
>>739297821>Nier Replicant is a masterpiece which you MUST play. Play it through to completion, watch every "ending". Steam remaster is the best version. Greatest soundtrack and most powerful story in vidya, pretty handily.Based Replicant enjoyer
>>739320248Drakengard 1's story is that a bunch of retards are fighting, a nuclear bomb goes off because reasons, and babies eat everyone before you make a rhythm battle. The story is less interesting than pretty much every game of the broader franchise and is only jerked off at all for having edgy party members. The setting isn't particularly interesting or well explored, entire factions of the game have no real motives or stakes, and the only thing there is is that you're just an actual murder hobo being unleashed upon a bunch of people you don't give a fuck about to cause an apocalypse that you also don't give a fuck about because there's almost no one in the entire game that's actually endearing or even all that interesting. It's a whole lot of nothing.
>>739320606>Did you know if you say "cross this line and I'll shoot" in an alleyway you are still going to jail for shooting them even if they do it? Not if they guy you're threatening is armed and willing to kill you, which you can easily argue in court as he just casually murdered your shit eating monster friend 2 minutes earlier in the alleyway right besides yours.
>>739320641to be fair Automata is shit compared to autonomata and this game is overhyped as fuck, can't get more masterpiece than that
>>739320917Compared to Nier*
>>739320596that's the most idiotic take I've ever heard and the actual mindset of the grifted>he promised me things that sound good so of course I'll believe in it!what the fuck dude look at what you're saying
>>739320775Sorry I don't have any muslim women in my folders
>>739320606>Did you know if you say "cross this line and I'll shoot" in an alleyway you are still going to jail for shooting them even if they do it?Not if it's your home. That is their home you invaded. I don't know why you would defend this position, it's clearly wrong.
>Drakengard 3 was removed from Steamfuck
>>739320904sorry anon but just because I have my pistol holstered does not mean you get to shoot megarl will attack you completely naked and regardless of you the player's intent which can only be expressed in a very binary way because the game wasn't ever built for there to be any option but killing Astraea (and in doing so also outright says it's the correct action)you can try and twist it til the cows come home but it's exceptionally easy for him to attack you first and all the "b-b-but he killed other people that all attacked him on sight and they were my devoted followers" doesn't help your caseme murdering your best friend because he was a mentally ill hobo that attacked me with a knife before I walk in the alley doesn't justify you shooting me either
The idea of Drakengard is good but it feels like a proof of concept by Yoko Taro. Drakengard 3 seems like a significant step up overall but still seems to have a worse ambience and world overall. Nier was goated though so it's clear he knew what he was doing to some degree.
>>739320904He doesn't even need to be armed, you were already correct, it's just castle doctrine. You're in their home. Being armed or not is irrelevant, it's trespassing and in many places that's enough to use lethal force.
>>739321202It's not their home actually. Property rights of old don't work that way. They have no legitimate claim to being there and in fact all institutions which hold power explicitly want them gone. They are squatters.
>>739321238See >>739321324Trespassing is enough for lethal force in many places. It certainly would be in mdeieval fantasy land.>>739321360Adverse possession, bitch.
>>739321238>Fully naked man walks towards (You) in a dark alleyway despite the fact that you have warned him multiple times to stay away.Yeah i'll take my cahnces in court, my lawyer can win that.
>>739321012If the Drakenguard gods don’t offer you anything, then they’re not gods. They’re no different than just really powerful creatures. It’s not that hard to understand. You don’t have to believe they can offer you it, but if they’re not even able to lie and say “oh yea, do my will and you’ll be rich for generations” then why would they be considered a god? Same thing in halo, covenant believes the forerunners could offer an afterlife with the great journey, so they’re gods. Everyone else says “that’s dumb, no they don’t”, they’re just really advanced aliens(who were actually just humans). Yes, that’s why Redditors say religion is a grift, because they have a rudimentary understanding of religion. Actual religion is deeper than that, but I don’t expect video games to get deep into religion because it’d be boring.
>>739321435Squatter's rights only exist when a legal entity steps up to enforce them.
>>739320606>If you're retarded, I guess. Existence having no intrinsic meaning does not equal life isn't worth living.It does. Humans are rational beings, we do things because we want to. And if we do things we don't want to do, it's only to get other things we want.All the people who believe existence is meaningless lead miserable lives. I wonder why.
>>739321585So when someone will look at the case after Garl kills you he will find that he was justified...
>>739319995Replicant is, sure, but that isn't what released in 2007.
>>739321563A few things hereTo start with we have no fucking clue what their religion involves or if there were any promises. We don't know. That shit isn't covered, because what the religion believes really isn't the point of anything so it's not elaborated on. So we have no clue if they made promises or not.Non-Gods can obviously make you offers to. I can literally offer you anything a God could right now. I promise if you don't jack off for the rest of your life you'll get your dream girl in the next one. It's that easy. Am I a God? yeah maybe. you can't prove I'm not. But if your little pop quiz of Godliness is "do they offer anything?" that's just fucking stupid bro. Why would they be considered a god? People can consider lots of things "a god" without any explicit promises. Forces of nature? Gods. There are beliefs of offerings to appease them, but a tsunami never gave a fuck what people offered and it never told people it'd do anything for them, either. Most Gods of most mythologies are in fact just "incredibly powerful beings."
>>739321735Well, no, because the church wants him and Astraea dead very explicitly. The powers that be have completely condemned them because what they are doing is (actually) outrageously evil.
Souls and Drakengard hybrid thread
>>739321654I don't think you understand what intrinsic means, which fits with all your other pseudo intellectual takes so far and not understanding the worth of a word.Humans do things because they want to. Yes. That's all there is. There's no greater meaning to our existence. We live our lives and enjoy what we enjoy while we have them. We find our own personal meaning in our time alive, but there is no intrinsic meaning to existence. The only meaning is the personal meaning everyone finds themselves which is as varied people themselves are.>All the people who believe existence is meaningless lead miserable lives. I wonder why.Probably for the same reason you don't know anything else: a closed mind full of assumptions that you're smarter than everyone else despite consistently showing how foolish you are.
>>739320917>>739320998I'm still mad about Automata, everyone talked about it like it was the fucking second coming of christ and I played Nier first and thought it was amazing so I was like "wow automata must be even better, how are they gonna top this"
>>739321790Nier Replicant originally came out in 2007
>>739322351I liked Automata a lot but yeah, I think anyone that played both agrees that Nier is the far more interesting story and game overall. Automata has a sexy (and not just sexy but actually iconic and exceptionally well designed honestly) lead girl and has a lot better production value and general gameplay while still having a pretty neat story, but the real gem is Nier undoubtedly.I'm gonna be honest though if you thought "how are they gonna top this?" and not "well they aren't gonna top that story but I'm interested to see what they do" I think you're crazy. They could never do Nier again. The story is perfect and the decision at the end matters, and trying to redo that is just not going to have the impact. And they can't really take it any further. Maybe someday they'll figure out a way where you can just never ever play the game again and they'll go with that, but it's still not as impactful. It seemed obvious to me from the start that Automata was just most people's first exposure to Taro's ideas and that a lot of its success was in actually being fun to play while still doing pretty neat shit with the story and gameplay mixups. It's Nier with the edges sanded off and broader appeal, and frankly I think it's just fine at being that. It doesn't undermine the original Nier in anyway and is a pretty thoughtful sequel, so I feel like everyone wins except the scant few crazies who can't engage with a work for utterly bizarre reasons like "androids can't be peoples."
>>739298289She was going to fucking suck his dick and eat his fucking shit
>>739322838ichigo mashimaro didn't wear bikini, that false advertissement...
>>739322838wanting to fuck children doesn't make you interesting
>>739285752Idk, Idc but I wanna fuck that asshole anally if you catch my meaning
>>739322787>but actually iconic and exceptionally well designed honestlyIt's a little hard for me to say that because while it's true, it doesn't really become apparent until the absolute very end of the game where you don't even have any routes or anything left. Automata shines best on a second full playthrough I think, it just sucks because the formula set by Nier is to have you replay segments of the game with new context but Automata gives you the equivalent stuff when it's all over.>I'm gonna be honest though if you thought "how are they gonna top this?" and not "well they aren't gonna top that story but I'm interested to see what they do" I think you're crazy.I had two friends who were obsessed with Automata but played and enjoyed both games who were actively telling me shit like "Nier is a flawed gem but Automata is a masterpiece" and even directly "I think it's better" when I said "how could they top this" about the storyI wouldn't have thought any of this on my own in isolation but I had people I normally trust the opinions of actively telling me it
>>739322962How does one fuck an asshole non-anally
>>739322314Brainwashed by the jew. Only pleasures give meaning to life, goy, stop trying to finds some deeper meaning.Buckbroken golem, that's what you are.I reject that. I reject modernity and its false idols.
>Drakengard thread>first it's co-opted by Nierfags that think Drakengard writing is bad>then polfagsFuck this gay earth.
>>739323079I dunno, I felt like the second I saw 2B I had a feeling she was gonna wind up the new big videogame girl for a while. The blindfold, the gothic styling, pretty much every element was instantly iconic to me.I personally think Automata fumbles A2 in the story a fair bit, you have to read outside the game to really give a fuck about her (or really read between the lines) so fully and in general a lot of Automata's ideas get meaningful out of game exposition. Nier had the Grimoire which really gets into all the cool shit about the setting but the actual in game story doesn't really drop the ball on making you care about anyone.For some people presentation is as or even more important than the actual story, and I think in terms of presentation Automata does a generally better job. The game has a lot less dull moments and I didn't find it repetitive to play as 9S or A2 personally. I loved hacking so 9S was fun, and finally getting to play A2 and her shtick just being "go crazy man, just fuck everything up it's cool" was a refreshing final bit of gameplay for me. But yeah I think anyone tooting Automata's horn for story is just lost in the presentation. Nier's twist and story is one in a million.
>>739323384kek, god we never should have shot that gorillapeople like you would never have ended up here
>>739323497what's your favorite bit of drakengard writing? Do you want to talk about it or just whine no one's talking about something you haven't brought up?
>>739323116just say you're a virgin bro
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>>739323681After all what is the difference between gorillas and humans when human life isn't special? Why not shoot humans too? Oh right, because then there are bad consequences for that, if there weren't it would be fine.
>>739323116it's simple, you put a fleshlight in the girl's butt then fuck the fleshlightI've seen porn of it
>>739323889>you see it's the mark of our innate superiority that we consider ourselves superior based on our own thoughtsuniverse doesn't give a fuck either way my dude. if that gorilla mauled the little boy not a soul would give a shit right now except his parents and friends who actually had an emotional investment in him. same way you don't care about some random african getting mauled by a hippo right now.
>>739323579Oh yeah if you're talking visually, 2B is great. Even as a non-coomer it's a really iconic design. I was just thinking about how she's an unlikable bitch through most of the game and it all makes sense eventually but at that point you still went through like 15 hours of her being an unlikable bitch. The english voice direction is a lot of the problem I think though, I think the original voice work makes it a little clearer what's going on.>I personally think Automata fumbles A2 in the story a fair bitAbsolutelyThe pearl harbor story logs you can find on the resistance camp terminals if you talk to anemone at just the right time should have been a mandatory thing you go through, it should have been the equivalent of the Kaine text segments in Nier. It's pretty much mandatory for her character to actually function and it also fills in a lot of the blanks with project yorha stuff as well.>Nier's twist and story is one in a million.I'm glad someone gets itI'm maybe stupid for not putting it completely together sooner but when I finished B and it fades to the supermarket scene, revealing that you've actually been the antagonist to the thing you thought you were fighting for the whole time, I don't know if anything can ever make me feel that again
>>739324279>I don't know if anything can ever make me feel that againI get it bro. I get it exactly, man. I feel sorry for anyone spoiled on the game's plot in any way. I'm sure most people have been that didn't play it before Automata released. But when you don't know what's coming it's an insane reveal. Everything is crafted perfectly, right up to the final decision's price. It all makes sense and forms a perfect whole. Yeah I could do without grinding the fucking robots in those caverns so much but whatever. It's just incredibly beautiful and I'd be lucky to have a game make me feel so much again. I picked it up as some random RPG for cheap not knowing a fucking thing about Yoko Taro and I got the ride of my life while reviewers were shitting on it for the grind and going to the wrong fishing spot.
>>739323748>what's your favorite bit of drakengard writing?The character conversations. I love Angelus putting Verdelet in his place whenever he tries to preach about mercy and morality. I love party members commenting on Caim killing possessed men in droves as terrifying and cruel. No other game pays lip service to the player character slaughtering enemies so easily quite like Drakengard. I like how Inuart is nice but also a whiny shit whenever his plan to help Furiae backfires. I liked how sinister Red Eye is when it talks to Inuart showing how omit twists faith in a higher power into giving up sanity and control. I like how everything is played straight with the only jokes being Angelus dressing down the party so succinctly.
>>739324108I don't see it that way. That's how you see it. I also don't see it the way you think I see it, I can tell you that much. I'm not Christian, I reject Christian universalism.I believe in god but I only care about things that are close to me, the less related they are to me, the less I care about them. I believe in a god of my people and for my people alone. I am a tribalist. That doesn't mean I don't see the value in human life, I simply care more about some human life.Either way, the one you identified is exactly the problem with modern society. People care more about bullshit happening in another continent to people they have never seen than how their neighbors are doing. Coincidentally, this is also the work of propaganda and manipulation, because it's obviously an unnatural behaviour, as you correctly identified.The problem, though, is that you say it as if it was evidence of some truth about how evil humans are, becasue you're a nihilist fagot. It's not. It's just first, self-preservation, and second putting things into perspective. It's not your business. It doesn't make you a bad person for not caring. Now wishing suffering onto others, that's a different matter altogether.But to be clear Christians do think it's their business and they do care about the guy mauled by a hippo, so you would be wrong regardless.
>>739286949Four my beloved. In an alternate dimension she is my wife!
>>739302664Cent isnt depressed, in fact he has this faux "happy go lucky" act. I think she just dorsnt trust him as he's so obviously still loyal to his partner, even after death
>>739323497been thinking about replaying drakengard 1 recently.the first time I played it it was like 1 month before my bachelor's final test and I was a nervous wreck; I played that game for two or three days straight, 12+ hours each day blasting that amazing hellish soundtrack through my headphones, what a fucking fever dream that was, there will never be anything quite like it again.
>>739324973>amazing hellish soundtrackRemixing classical music into a frenetic cross between war beats and trance music is still an amazing feat. Sure a couple tracks can get annoying but most of em perfectly match the chopping tempo of the gameplay.
>>739324279>when I finished BYou really didn't figure it out by end of A? For me the other Yonah's dialogue made it really clear.
>>739325125the soundtrack really makes the game and the story complements it so well, I feel like most game developers really undervalue how much an ost can add to the atmosphere of a game
>>739325460>not even a Drakengard characterNigger, what are you doing?
>>739325460>gangbangYou are a beta cuck
>>739285752>highest amount of sex consumed in the entire gaming industry, canonically >barely any porn of her
>>739325692pedophile is still having a melty over people talking about a videogames because the OP posted the buttocks of an adult womanYou can't make this shit up
>>739324758>The problem, though, is that you say it as if it was evidence of some truth about how evil humans are, becasue you're a nihilist fagotnot at all. you just keep assuming things because you can't understand people not fitting in boxes I guess. Idk, it's your problem.>People care more about bullshit happening in another continent to people they have never seen than how their neighbors are doing.the vast majority of people don't care about bullshit happening on another continent. Lots of people do care - or at least concerned with - what is happening across the world because nothing is unconnected and the internet's widespread adoption has shifted the reality of what many people's "group" is. You care about your neighbours because they're near you. Because they're part of your group. Other people don't know their neighbours. It's easier to care about people you interact with more and we're in a post-geographic landscape for human connection. My closest friends are spread across several states and a couple of other countries, friends of 20+ years that I met online and have since met in person more times than I can count. People whose weddings I've been a part of. Shared interests brought us together, and shared mindsets kept us friends. That's a reasonable reality for a lot of people. Apart from personal connections to other countries, you either stick your head in the sand or realize how much certain elements of your lifestyle are costing other people. We've got all the knowledge we need to trace back unethical practices and exploitation of populaces for our conveniences and there's plenty reason to care.>to be clear Christians do think it's their business and they do care about the guy mauled by a hippoMost Christians? Absolutely not. Some yeah. The vast majority would say "that's awful, I hope he's alright" but not actually give a fuck. It's performative. It is trivially easy to find Christians who do not in any way believe actual Christian values.
>>739285752That is a man with a penis
>>739297437I absolutely fucking love the songs changing to the insane intoner vocal modesI know some people don't dig it, but Four's OST goes so hard when the intoner bit pops uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhHrFfT-Xxsabsolute fucking kino, my fave track of all these games, it gets me so fucking hype it's unreal
sex with Arioch
>>739325980She eats babies!
>>739325812>highest amount of sex consumedShe treats sex like taking a piss or brushing your teeth. It's just a part of her daily routine. Very boring. She doesn't even like dick, just uses it to temporarily relieve herself from the constant annoying bullshit that is her life. Probably the most boring fuck imaginable.
>>739326118She absolutely enjoys sex.
>>739326118you have no clue how wrong you areintoner libido is literally endless, they HAVE to fuck to stay sane, which is precisely why 4 is so fucked up in the head
>>739325980>Yoko Taro and his menehera assistant turn Arioch into a sex addict in the novel rewrites>she never tried to rape Caim, Inuart, nor Leonard making the change pointlessLame.
>>739322410>>739321790??Nier Replicant/Gestalt came out in 2010.
>>739325125middle aged bearded hobo Caim looks so cool
>>739325812There's just no point, Zero gets way more value out of wholesome pics, you corrupt virgins and purify sluts because being a terminal contrarian is the real kick.
>>739326157She enjoys it the same way you enjoy taking a hot shower or getting massage. She literally schedules exactly when the sex happens every day. If she enjoyed it she would say as much during combat or travelling. Instead it's just "hey, the sun is setting and I'm horny so assume the position [insert disciple name here]. She complains when they do a bad job but never praises Dito for being good at it.
>>739326503>same way you enjoy taking a hot shower or getting massageright, she enjoys it.
>Zero likes eating man ass and being shat onWas she a Dubai tier prostitute?
>>739326265>libidoOkay, if you go an entire day without drinking water don't you also start to go insane? It's so necessary to Zero she treats it like a bodily necessity. We never hear her moans, her praise, her opinion. It's just "sex now" then "sex over let's get back to hunting my sister's" every single time. Whenever any of the disciples try to tease her she just tells them to shut up of next time the sex will be painful.
>>739295868I want to believe it's possible. If anyone could pull it off, it'd be Yoko Taro.
>>739326703>food analogy
>>739326738>water is foodRetard.
>>739325882>It is trivially easy to find Christians who do not in any way believe actual Christian values.Then they're not Christians lol.>My closest friends are spread across several states and a couple of other countries, friends of 20+ years that I met online and have since met in person more times than I can count. People whose weddings I've been a part of. Shared interests brought us together, and shared mindsets kept us friends.I don't believe this can exist. I don't think a friendship can have this characteristics. Maybe I a stricter conception of friendship but I think most people that think have friendships do not in fact have friendships.You cannot be a friend of someone that lives somewhere else. You might have been friends when you were living together but are not right now.>Apart from personal connections to other countries, you either stick your head in the sand or realize how much certain elements of your lifestyle are costing other peopleAnd why should I care? Because you say so? A Christian would be justified in saying so, but someone who doesn't believe in a morality derived from a superior entity is not. Your morality would be as correct as mine and it all boils down to what you can enforce, not a battle of ideas.>the vast majority of people don't care about bullshit happening on another continent. Lots of people do care - or at least concerned with - what is happening across the world because nothing is unconnected and the internet's widespread adoption has shifted the reality of what many people's "group" is. You care about your neighbours because they're near you. Because they're part of your group. Other people don't know their neighbours. It's easier to care about people you interact with more and we're in a post-geographic landscape for human connectionBunch of Jewish pseudo-intellectual babble.It's normal not to give a shit to something that happens on another continent, it's actually menatlly healthy. It's unhealthy to care.
>>739326564Do you moan and sob and cry out during a shower? No? Well neither does Zero. She's a total cold bitch who simply takes her pleasure from each disciple and her only feedback during and after the sex is "eh, good enough" or "holy shit you suck at this"
>>739321237>I missed when it was on SteamDouble-fuck.
>>739326318>Is an English teacher in the Angellegna universe>Is still missing his voice, so he communicates with students by just writing on the school's blackboards>Goes on dates with Angel, who is a dragon mask-wearing chunni female photography class teacherbased
>>739300947>Name a single bad thing caim's army does.IIRC the most deplorable thing they did was slaughtering kids in one of the routes (Even then that was basically Caim himself). The game never shuts up about how horrible Caim's actions are during that too. Otherwise the characters are shitting on Caim for how happily he kills other people, though that kinda falls flat when everyone else is possessed, and the Watchers cult are set out to destroy the planet, so they're doing bad things to prevent oblivion.
>>739326858>You cannot be a friend of someone that lives somewhere else.Yeah you can, it's not very hard. Despite this being 4chan I had a pretty active social life IRL too so I'm not coming at this with no reference point. But I didn't really get to pick most of my RL friends the same way. They were friends from the small pool of people in my age group I had exposure to based on going to school or working at the same place. Doesn't really mean they're lesser intrinsically but compared to the pool of people to find on the internet it's obviously going to limit who and what you get exposed to. If you can't conceptualize this we'll just add it on to the list of the many things you're incapable of understanding in our conversation today.>Why should I care?Because believe it or not they impact you and your life. You're not actually on an isolated self sufficient island with no contact to the outside world. You (most likely) are buying food from a national chain of grocerer dealing with multinational supply lines. Virtually any industry you want to talk about is impacted by "random bullshit in other countries." If you don't want to be exploited yourself, you shouldn't encourage the exploitation of others. Otherwise you can't really cry when the boot hits your neck and you become the exploited. Well, you can, but you'll be laughed at for it and people will rightly take pleasure in your suffering for only caring when it affects you. None of this has anything to do with religion or morality derived from a God either. It's a simple question of "would I want to live like that? Would I be happy? Should I encourage people being treated in ways I would personally not like?"
>>739299317Enlighten me
>>739327582That's not friendship. You can cope all you want.Your agument makes no sense. I don't expect Africans or Asians to care about my country's problems. I would never ask them for help if I'm exploited. I am also not the one doing the exploitation so it's not my problem. If Africans are exploited they should ask help to their fellow Africans.Not my problem.Also going by your logic if something doesn't affect me then it would be okay not to care, the only argument you presented is "actually it does affect you". You didn't address my point about moral subjectivity at all kek, you just pretended it didn't exist.
>>739326970It was never on Steam.
>>739325884This one is Zero from Drakengard 3, the penised one Kainé from NieR. Kainé actually not only has a penis (described to be swarty, engorged and veined, probably a grower cuz it's all packed quite nicely in her panties, resulting on a perfectly shaped and small bulge), but a vagina as well.]The balls though, that's a mistery.
>>739326938>Do you moan and sob and cry out during a shower?You don't?
>>739327476Child soldiers, yes. Ones that were trying to kill them. What were they supposed to do? Just let themselves be killed?
>>739327476>The game never shuts up about how horrible Caim's actions are during that too.Angelus defends his choice to kill those possessed child soldiers and Leonard even curses at one of the children for trying to kill him with a trick. It's never a one-sided conversation. Angelus spits cold facts about how shitty the party is being whenever they hypocritically criticize Caim for keeping them all alive in a war for survival.
>>739325406I don't know, I guess I thought the intro may have already been after the split. Like, in the intro shades are the bad guys so I didn't really think it was going to be the same thing even though the pieces of the puzzle were there
>>739327476>>739328984those were not child soldiers you fucking retards. those were demons who took the form of children to kill Union soldiers more easily. Leonard even apologizes to Caim for being a complete fool who couldn't see through their illusion
>>739290215Drakengard 3 is based and genuinely hidden kino and if you disagree you're a fake gamer
>>739328251Yeah it is. I don't know what about friendship you think precludes it, but you're a complete lunatic so it hardly matters.>Your argument makes no sense.Because you're just fucking stupid. "Your country's" problems are not merely "your country's." That's the rub, retard. It isn't a closed system and hasn't been for hundreds of years. But hey, country? Is it your neighbours you care about, or your country? Is there a reason geographic lines on a map are important to you in determining what you care about beyond the scope of your neighbours who actually live adjacent to you? Is it language? Surely not. You don't care what's happening in the UK or Australia I assume. So why "my country" now?>I don't expect Africans or Asians to careOkay? Expectations have nothing to do with anything. Plenty of them do regardless of whether you expect them to or not. >I would never ask them for help if I'm being exploited.Of course, you'd ask your neighbours. But what if a flood hits and you and all your neighbours need help? Uhoh. Man, it'd be cool if someone gave a fuck about you then that you didn't know personally, right? You'd really enjoy someone helping you out in a disaster even if you don't know them. Or if your whole town was tied to some general economic activity like, say, coal-mining or lithium production and you might want some help from people who aren't your neighbours that are equally as exploited as (you) are with no power to change a corporation with more employees than your zip code.>I am also not the one doing the exploitationGiving money to corpos doing the exploitation means you are, in fact, taking part in it. You benefit from their exploitation. It's a simple equation anon.>You didn't address my point about moral subjectivityBecause you didn't make a point at all.
DoD fanbase is so autistic i love it
>>739329438Because you're not there. If you're not there you literally cannot have a friendship. The internet fried people's brains. Friendliness is not friendship.No we don't depend on Africa or Asia, it worked just fine for thousands of years and we can keep doing so. You're delusional if you think Europe needs Africa or Asia to survive.No they don't care, they're not mentally ill like Europeans and like you.I don't want help from another continent. Not even from neighbouring countries, if I can avoid it. I think every region should fend for themselves, in fact. I'm a regionalist, because identity is mostly regional here and identity is the most important thing.Irrelevant. If you buy stolen goods you're not persecuted for it, you're just expected to give it back. Not my problem. If corpo exloits you then do something. I only care if corpo exploits Europeans.I did. You don't believe there's meaning to existence. You don't believe in God. Your morality is therefore relative. I don't have your morality. Why should I follow your subjective morality other than "it's bad for me"?Moral subjectivists are retarded.
>>739326970>>739328260Yeah, I fucked up: apparently Squenix only released the OST and Artbook out of nothing late 2025
>>739330503>If you're not thereAutism.>No we don't depend onkek. head in the fucking sand. how much quality of life are you willing to give up if we stopped dealing with the rest of the globe? It's way more than you imagine.>No they don't care.Strange. They certainly have. There are in fact ways of knowing this, like relief donations and charities and...>I don't want help from another continent. Not even from neighbouring countries, if I can avoid it.But the next town over's fine. Right? And the town at the opposite end of your country? But not that one a few miles away because it's across an arbitrary border where they still speak the same language.>If you buy stolen goods you're not persecuted for itdamn imagine my shock at you not actually knowing how the world works again and just assuming. sorry bud, tons of places you will in fact also get prison time for buying stolen goods and in many cases tried the same as the thief, particularly when you know it was stolen. That's the actual law and not the made up fairytale you think is the law.>You don't believe there's meaning to existence.There is no intrinsic meaning to existence. That's rather different, but you are as proven over and over again a moron.>You don't believe in God.Why would I? I'm not retarded.>Your morality is therefore relative.All morality is because no God exists and has dictated morality to us. Sorry bro, it's all social constructs.
>>739328589I didn't mean they should stop fighting, just that the action itself is bad, but like I said, they were doing bad shit to prevent something worse. You're not stopping Watchers or God without fighting, since they're trying to destroy the seals, and Seere's side story even has them losing a seal because they decided to prioritize saving him over protecting that seal, so niceness doesn't get you anywhere in DG1 (Although, in other routes they fail at protecting that seal anyway).>>739328984>Angelus spits cold facts about how shitty the party is being whenever they hypocritically criticize Caim for keeping them all alive in a war for survival.And Angelus herself never shuts up about how horrible Caim is for enjoying slaughter for early to mid routes IIRC. She's not really one to talk about being judgemental, but, fair enough. I mostly forgot about the conversations related to characters nagging Caim because they do it too often.>>739329247They were demons? Weren't they just possessed by red eyes thing? Lame.
>>739329498Beautiful shading. Very evocative.Who are they?
>>739329312Just wish it didn't run like shit.
>>739331508Killing something that is trying to kill you is never morally bad no matter the context.
>>739298484Observe the midwit in the wild.
>>739331607That's caim and his pet mana, I think.
>>739330985>how much quality of life are you willing to give up if we stopped dealing with the rest of the globe? It's way more than you imagine.A lot. I would give up most tech regardless, in fact. Smartphones would be banned if it were up to me.
>>739331785>giving up ANYTHING just to protect your heckin shitskinarino pets (who are going to murder you anyway)Lmao
>>739285752Cent did nothing wrong and he and Two look cute together
>>739331785Cars too, of course. And thus basically every form of logistics across the country.
>>739330985>Strange. They certainly have. There are in fact ways of knowing this, like relief donations and charities and...African and Asian charities for Europeans? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA>But the next town over's fine. Right? And the town at the opposite end of your country? But not that one a few miles away because it's across an arbitrary border where they still speak the same language.They don't speak the same language. You clearly don't know anything about Europe. They don't even speak the same language in the bordering region here, forget country. My country has more languages than regions.>particularly when you know it was stolenNo shit, retard. I never mentioned this. You argue like a Jew.No one is going to jail for buying used things. There's no way for you to know they were stolen.>There is no intrinsic meaning to existenceYeah, irrelevant correction, answer the question.>Why would I?That's not what I want to know, answer the question.>All morality is because no God exists and has dictated morality to us. Sorry bro, it's all social constructs.Answer the fucking question.You can't because you know there would be no reason at all for me to follow your morality. Everyone would have their own morality and the only reason why they would not murder you in cold blood is because they would be afraid of the material consequences, the second they felt like there were none it would be free for all.Hilarious how you pretend to have the moral highground.
>>739332091What? Learn to read. I would give it up to better MY country, retard.
>>739332390We don't need Africans or Asians for cars.
>>739332403>No shit, retard. I never mentioned this. hang on let's break this down, dipshit, let's recap>Giving money to corpos doing the exploitation means you are, in fact, taking part in it.your response:>Irrelevant. If you buy stolen goods you're not persecuted for it, you're just expected to give it back.Well, retard, not only was this statement wrong, but in the prior example you're specifically arguing back against it's knowing what you're doing. You absolute fucking moron.>No one is going to jail for buying used things.Used things aren't stolen things, buddy. You said stolen things. If you buy stolen goods you can in fact get prosecuted for it knowingly or not. If you DID know, as was the actual scenario you decided to try and analogize into a stolen goods argument, you're getting the same penalty the thief did in a huge amount of places.>There's no reason at all for me to follow your morality.I never said there was. Are you trying to argue there's any reason to follow any morality? There isn't. Believing a God promised you something is a delusion, not reality. Morality is dictated by society. Hate to tell you but a lot of people follow some basic morality with no belief in higher powers, because it's a rational thought process of thinking a situation through. Most people agree murdering other people is wrong for actual reasons that have nothing to do with universal morality or the law. It is a simple fact that everyone on the planet has the same right to exist on it as everyone else. No one is anything more or less than a human, a sack of carbon that'll return to the earth in a hundred years. As such, your needs have no greater weight than another person's, nor your desires. It is the logical end point of rational thinking to live and let live. It is the limited nature of resources that convinces anyone of anything otherwise. Among humanity's oldest delusions is trying to find a justification for greed and religion is no stranger to that, either.
>>739332570Turns out you kinda need oil to run those cars, or batteries, and unfortunately Europe won't be getting any of that with isolation.
>>739333175Europe has oil...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f3-K8T0Ev4
>>739286949ew is this drakenguard now? wtf did they do to it? I only played the first one
>>739333547yeah bud. Definitely a self sufficient amount to maintain the current logistics across the region without getting any from Russia or the Middle East. There are in fact zero problems, oil springs from the ground in europe freely and no one has ever worried about the flow of oil to the region for any reason.
I miss Zero. And that game really. Nobody gave two shits about being as honest and vulgar as possible. We need more of that.
>>739285752
>>739285752Drakengard 3 is vile, stupid, and atrociously boring but I like itIf you're looking for a waifu with a sword game, you should probably play one of these instead:Nier, NieR Automata, Stellar Blade, Transistor, Expedition 33, or Plague Tale>>739333565This is the best argument for playing Drakengard 3- Cute waifu characters- Same composer as NieRThat's also the reason you should NOT play Drakengard 1+2. They're just not that good, the music is meh, the characters are meh.Legendarily boring grind. It's cool dark fantasy world building but for me that's not enough
>>739333123You are the one arguing Europe is profiting from the rest of the world, when it's not. In fact it's holding us back.What are we profiting from? Elucidate us. I don't know about anything we're stealing. How are we even supposed to trace what corpos are "stealing"?If I buy a phone it's my fault kids in Africa are extracting cobalt? That's is retarded. Africans are buying it too without a care in the world, yet you expect me to be held accountable?You have a computer and a phone, I guess you're also taking part in exploitation of African children, welcome to the club.Hilarious.>I never said there wasThen fuck you, your opinion is literally irrelevant because I can do what I want.>Are you trying to argue there's any reason to follow any morality?Of course. That's the whole point of religion. That's how societies are functional. Without absolute morality you cannot have a functional society, you end up with a disfunctional society like the current Western ones.Rights don't exist, they're a social construct. No one has a "right to live", you get cancer tomorrow, you die, some retard runs you over with his car, you die. what are you going to do when the car is about to hit you, blabber "b-but my right!" like a retard? You have to enforce rights, if you can't they might as well not exist.Religion has nothing to do with greed. You're confused.>>739333715Russia is in Europe, retard.Are you an Amerimutt? I don't see how anyone else could be this ignorant about geography.
>>739334556>Russia is in Europewhere is Russia's oil, retard? Protip: not in Europe.
>>739334556>I see you also participate in society. Curious!you're like a walking joke, a clown to the core>Your opinion is literally irrelevant because I can do what I want.welcome to the world? Glad you realized it?>Without absolute morality you cannot have a functional society,Well, no. Because it's not absolute. It's socially dictated. It is not absolute, it is consensus. These are not laws.>Right don't exist.The right to exist on this world is the same for every human. None or all. There's no difference. If someone hits you with a car and you die you die, that's great, glad you know cause and effect. I didn't say religion had anything explicitly to do with greed. You are just so, so stupid.
>>739334683Cope, Russia is in Europe.Also Norway exists.
>>739285752I watched Drakengard 1 on youtube and it was cool
>>739334879>you're like a walking joke, a clown to the coreI'm not the one arguing buying a product from a corporation is exploitation.>>739334879>welcome to the world? Glad you realized it?No that's what you believe, i don't believe that, I think that's the source of all woes for the West.>>739334879>Well, no. Because it's not absolute. It's socially dictated. It is not absolute, it is consensus. These are not laws.Again, this is what you believe. I don't derive my morals from human laws or opinions or whatever else. I derive them from something superior, they are therefore absolute.You think people instrinsically have rights while also thinking morality is subjective, you can't call anyone else stupid.You are the epitome of the guy who thinks he's way smarter than he actually is.
>noooooo caim stop fighting and killing those evil soldiers and wizards who want to kill you, destroy your kingdom, and destroy the entire world! I can see why Yoko Taro doesn't remember writing Drakengard 1 in the first place. I can also see why he's embarrassed by it's existance
>>739335862God I wish that was me.
>>739335671You don't derive your morals from something superior because it doesn't exist, you believe in fairytales.People do intrinsically have rights. It is what living means. No one is born anything other than a retard who must be coddled. Everyone would die were it not for another looking out for them. Such is reality.
>>739336681Not whoever the fuck you are arguing with, but that's a funny joke.
>>739336681>People do intrinsically have rights. It is what living meansBWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAWho believes in fairy tales?Believing in God is less egregious than beliving in this bullshit.>No one is born anything other than a retard who must be coddled. Everyone would die were it not for another looking out for them. Such is reality.Then it's not an intrinsic right. Pick one.
>>739337047It is an intrinsic right. It is the only thing you have granted to you. Not one person on this Earth has any claim of superiority. Life is the only thing anyone is granted and it's yours to do with what you will. It is, in fact, a completely unalienable right.
>>739337367That's simply false. From birth some are superior and others inferior. Some will be smarter, faster, better looking, stronger, or richer. There is no such thing as intrinsic rights or equality. You for instance, were born with a mental defiance.
>>739337367>It is the only thing you have granted to youGranted by what?I don't think you understand what a right is. A right is an arbitrary entitlement. You have to enforce it. Which means it cannot be intrinsic by definition. If you can't enforce it, it doesn't exist. It's not natural, genius. We make up rights, they're a social construct.
>>739337367Which also means, by the way, that according to your retarded subjective morality, I don't have to agree with your "rights", because those are derived from your morality, not mine. Pic very much related.Nice society you've got there, I'm sure it will totally not collapse.
>>739285752I enjoyed 1 a lotI still have to play 3
>>739285752Game would have been ultra based if the protag was male and you could buttfuck the dragonsUnfortunately that's not the case
>>739326972>drakengard 2
>>7393387422 is the best actual game of the franchise, it just has the worst writing.
>>739318371my wife took the slippery slope from watching me piss, to aiming my piss, to wanting to be soaked in my piss, to wanting to drink my piss. so maybe?
>>739339231Many such cases. Women do be like that.
I need to play these at some point, the 1st game's soundtrack is so amazing and I regularly listen to itAre the other soundtracks good too?
>>739337690>Smarter, faster, better looking, stronger or richerNone of these make anyone superior, actually. The smartest man in the world is still a sack of carbon irrelevant to the universe.>>739337862>Granted by what?Existing. By simply coming to exist, you have the right to life. That is what is granted by being born.>>739338104You don't have to agree with any of it you retard. You say this like it's a gotcha, but only because you're just so fucking stupid you don't get that's precisely what I'm saying. No one is bound by morality, ever. Societies enforce morality; it is not decreed from on high. You are free to buck all trends and live by your own moral code, and the extent to which yours differs from your community the more you will be ostracized or worse. It is a nice society, it's how all of human society formed. Unfortunately God never existed nor came down and said "um, this is good and this is bad." People did, and other people agreed, and so on and so on. Society itself is formed of individuals who all contribute to what is considered good and bad by their own values.
>>739341720All of them except maybe 2 have great soundtracks, and even 2 has some good tracks.
>>739342025>None of these make anyone superiorLiterally all of them make someone superior in that aspect at the very least. That's what it means to be thing-er than someone. If I am smarter than someone else then by definition I am superior in that regard, just as if someone is stronger or faster than I they are superior. It is an objective, quantifiable fact.
>>739342121None of those make you objectively superior. Only superior within our framework of values. Nature doesn't give a fuck; only we place value in this. The only value anyone has in life is in reproducing. If you have offspring you have succeeded at "life" and nothing else matters. Everything you think is an objective quality is merely one that is valued by society. I assure you that whether your great great great great great great great grandfather was smarter or stronger than anyone around him is irrelevant to anyone. As human society goes we are many generations into arbitrary selection of mates rather than living by the rules of the animal kingdom, and even such boons as "well being stronger means you can beat someone else to death that isn't" has been irrelevant for an extremely long time. Likewise, being pretty hasn't for a huge amount of existence, either. Generations upon generations of people were born of marriage not from any natural selection but of social selection and societal power consolidation.
>>739342496Within the context of nature superiority matters even more. The stronger, the more superior an animal is the more likely it is to reproduce over it's weaker peers. If anything it's only within the context of human society that we can even pretend otherwise, and even there it's merely pretending as the results speak for themselves.
>>739298364On PC there's a mod that fixes it called WAX. In order to activate it, you have to go to a spot in the desert, come to the inbox and read a message after getting an email and go to the strange machine head lady but it does make the combat so much better that I wholeheartedly recommend it whenever someone mentions Automata's objectively bad balancing. >>739320917>>739322351>>739322787Playing through Automata and now playing through the Nier Replicant v1.22, I agree. Nier Replicant is just a lot more interesting and a lot of that has to do with there being more NPCs to interact with and giving more scale and life to the world. Plus the plot is a lot less convoluted but at the same time more emotionally resonant. Like I can understand why Nier, Kaine, Emil, Popola/Devola and all the other main characters do things and it really attaches me to them more than I was with any character in Automata barring A2. It's the difference between a simple, but powerful message and the more convoluted but emotionally distant message that Automata contained (even if they fundamentally are the same at the end of the day).Plus Kaine's samurai outfit is pure sex and mogs any female android in Automata. I wish they included that in the DLC.
>>739342585Within the context of nature many things evolved neither strength nor intelligence nor speed. There are many organisms across this planet who are, effectively, evolutionary dead ends, yet they continue to persist. But we're not in the animal kingdom anymore, and we haven't been for a very long time, like I just said. Far before even advances in medicine and the average person being free to choose for "love" there was socially structured reproduction based on completely irrelevant factors like, primarily, having the right last name.
>>739298364>>739342717I don't remember any bad balancing. What problems did you have?
>>739342717>Nier Replicant is just a lot more interesting and a lot of that has to do with there being more NPCs to interact with and giving more scale and life to the worldAnd the NPCs are interesting people rather than generic robots spouting philosophy
>>739342838NTA, but automata is absolutely poorly balanced. You go from being one to two shot on hard mode to being functionally immortal over the course of the game with the way the RPG stat growth and upgrades work.
>>739285752FUCK no, they all suck. Yoko Tardo is a fucking hack, he got lucky with Automata because the script was written by a ghost writer.
>Kaine with no dickWhat's the point?
>>739342717Isn't the desert like halfway through a playthrough? Weird choice to put a balance patch toggle that deep in. Or really weird to even make it an ingame toggle rather.
>>739343005the first Nier has a better script than Automata.
I'm not some Yoko Taro specialist autost but Nier Replicant was so good I cried for like the last four hours of it and I dropped Automata halfway through the 9S route
>>739342838After a certain point, the enemies fold like tissue paper and only need one hit to die. It probably was because I'm a completionist and killed everything in my path and did pretty much all of the sidequests that were available. They should've scaled the enemies levels up along with you (especially the bosses which become 2 seconds long and do jackshit damage on hard) to make things more interesting.>>739342917That too. I can only remember the main cast of Automata well, but I still remember that dude selling flowers, the seas-sick dude, the old fisherman, the lighthouse lady (who could forget her) and the one chick that was her flame's grand-niece(?) along with Jakob and Gideon, the strange item guy, a the weapons dealers and the other shop owners and more unique quest related characters. I like Automata, but Nier Replicant really feels more fleshed out in terms of the world despite it being much smaller and much more limited in scope. I do hey why people like Automata if this is their first and only foray into Yoko Taro's games, but his earlier stuff is a lot more unique, memorable and emotionally compelling.>>739343120In Automata, the desert is the second place you go to before the first fight with Adam. It's like 1 or 2 hours in at most, so that's not too bad considering the level scaling wouldn't be a problem at that point and you can just prepare for it when it happens after the Simone boss (I forget when exactly but that's when it happened for me since A2 was way too easy).>>739343071She doesn't want to have a dick. Plus, it's small and inert when Tyrann isn't possessing her. If I was Nier, I'd cut it off after the shigger menace had ended and plow her like the driven snow all while making her the happiest women to ever live. All while she's wearing the samurai outfit of course
>>739343243The 9s shit is really, really bad. The game does pick up a bit afterward but it's never as good as replicant.
>>739343398I want her to keep the small and useless dick so I can tease her about it while I pound her pussy.
>>739343243>>739343418I just steamroll the 9S sections and try to get back to the good parts (i.e. the A2/2B sections). It would've been fun as a small side section or something like that, but the 9S hacking minigame gets boring after awhile. >>739343501That's also based.
Another good Drakengard thread comes to an end. It could do without the retards next time
>>739343071>chick with a dick don't want to mess with your butt>chick with no dick do want to mess with your butt There's a certain beauty to it. Besides, I think Zero can actually use that little nigga inside her prosthetic arm to morph into a dick and attach it on her pussy, making it fully functional
