>>739288098
None so blind as those who won’t see

>>739288098
Honestly, mentions of the game were minimal until after it won.

it changed the industry and influenced gaming for decades, just like e33.

>>739288098
Sounds like you just weren't on the internet for a year, people were blowing this shit up since the gay bear sex when it got officially announced.

How is it even possible to seethe over a game this long?

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>>739288098
all i knew is
>bear sex
and i wasn't interested
i still tried it (for free) and i killed astarion for putting a knife to my throat, no regrets and nothing happened
but then i was a paladin and i got my oath broken for saving the yellow elf. this completely ruined the game for me and i dropped.
why the fuck does saving someone in a cage break my paladins oath? stupid ass game. i dropped it there.
i can't be bothered to play games where you have to follow a guide step by step not to break the arbitrary rules the game put in place

>>739288098
No it's not an industry plant

>>739289419
>why the fuck does saving someone in a cage break my paladins oath?
Stopped being dishonest, faggot. You obviously killed the two tieflings

>>739289557
you're the dishonest one, they attacked me first

>>739289601
>I DIDNT DO ANYTHING!
>Ok I did brutally kill those npcs, but why does that break my “don’t brutally kill everything” oath?

Fun fact: Durge default class was originally paladin. But people could not hold on to their oaths for more than 5 minutes so they changed it

>>739289770
they attacked me, they literally attacked me. why the fuck are you being so fucking dishonest is honestly beyond me, go fuck yourself

Post the gameplay

>>739288098
BG3 and E33 both deserved goty

>>739288160
>>739288098
holy newfags.
/v/ tried to tortanic it since a month before release when the bearfucking got revealed. go back touristniggers.

>>739289850
You had multiple opportunities to resolve it without anyone dying, but instead you tried to hide behind the self-defence argument like any good war criminal

Also why are you upset in the first place? Oathbreaker is the best subclass

>>739290116
>You had multiple opportunities to resolve it without anyone dying
i. tried. they. attacked. me.
>why are you upset in the first place? Oathbreaker is the best subclass
i don't know that. i stopped playing the game there. i already said
>i can't be bothered to play games where you have to follow a guide step by step not to break the arbitrary rules the game put in place

>>739288098
Yep, no one ever heard of it until it won the goty. Total industry plant.
And /v/ totally wasn't in a constant state of chuddie melty about it since they showed the bear sex.

>>739290230
I’m not saying those tieflings weren’t retarded. They obviously should have realized they were outmatched and made a run for it.
But you basically walked up to them and tried to free a raider that had killed their friends. How is that anything but a provocation?

>>739289419
You're not supposed to kill the Tieflings. You have to convince them to leave by other means.

>>739288098
>I literally heard nothing about this game until it won goty
So you did not visit /v/ for a good 2 years of early access, are not interested in the CRPG genre to know about Larian or the buzz about BG getting a new entry and you do not visit any conventional gaming cites nor social media.

Good to know

>>739288098
>>739288160
>constant spam when it was first announced
>constant spam when the bear sex was unveiled
Just admit you're massive newfags.

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>>739288098
/v/ really is full of fucking tourists isn't it? DOS2 made Larian a household name and anyone even vaguely interested in the genre has known them since DOS1 kickstarter, that of course would require for your culture warrior ass to be older than 16 to know about

>>739290371
but i didn't try to free her right away, i didn't attack them either. i tried to be peaceful. maybe it was an issue with skill checks, but all i got was that i broke my oath for defending myself
>>739290454
>You have to convince them to leave by other means.
i tried, i literally did try and they attacked me

>>739288098
If you were even remotely interested in RPGs then you would have at least heard of it

>>739290535
EVen ignoring that, the game was spammed in /v/, /vg/ and /vrpg/. Like, unless he posts only on /int/ and decided to pop over to troll today, it was impossible to miss

>>739290557
You do know the “non-lethal attacks” toggle exists, right? It’s available to everyone at the start and it was implemented mainly so paladins didn’t have to worry about breaking their oaths

>>739291374
i probably didn't use it, it was the first and only time i played it.
i rewatched the scene on youtube though and it's just so weird. people keep saying that the tieflings are good and the gith is bad, but the situation is the complete opposite. they're literally killing a defenceless woman in a cage

>>739288098
>I literally heard nothing
because you were too busy shitposting about politics to join in the RTwP vs TBS debates that were raging back when Larian announced they'd be making BG3. It's weird, you'd definitely have noticed the numerous early access threads crying about that blogpost or female dwarves with beards.

>>739288098
It's the definition of an industry plant

>>739292126
>the RTwP vs TBS debates
What discord server was it hosted on?

>>739288098
What's the point in trying to retcon the past like this?

>>739292126
>RTwP vs TBS debates
Feels good to be on the right side of history when literally every CRPG is including a TBS mode now if they were RTwPslop previously

>>739288098
It was in EA for a year, and it was from the makers of DoS2, which is a beloved CRPG. Not everything is an industry plant just because you live in a cave.

>>739288098
What an absurd attempt.
Even if you were a genuine nogames shitposter, there is no way in hell that you would have missed the bear breaking that every one of you gameless vermin jumped on, nor the seething when it managed to consistently increase its player count for two weeks in a row despite all the shitposting.

>>739291625
Giths are basically raiders that kill for sports. That’s why they are contemplating on wether they should leave or kill her before you arrive

>>739293036
i didn't know that. i had just got into the game.

>>739293167
So nothing about Lae’zel’s personality made you think that she is from a ruthless warrior culture that culls the weak?

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>>739288098
>Is it an industry plant?
yup, the bots they set up were working for like a year after the whole world forgot about this tranny game.

>>739292946
>the only thing this jew game was known for were the cringe pathetic sex scenes

>>739293584
i just thought she was "standoffish". i got there and saw 2 demons debating whether to kill her now or leave her to the goblins.

>>739293924
I think you might be autistic, in which case oathbreaker paladin would be the perfect class for you

>>739288098
this is not true.

>>739292329
All the "turnbased is dead!" fags were trendchasers and gamign journos sucking off FF7R. They have never been right about anything.

>>739288098
>i literally heard nothing about this game
It's crazy that you understand that you were in a segmented algorithmic bubble and yet come to this conclusion anyways.

>>739292329
>shills kept losing the "turn based is better" debates
it was hilarious to watch them cry.
they sure screamed the loudest, though.

>>739288098
It's the 'give the shittiest railroading DM a high budget' game. It could've had better writing and better NPC companions instead of the head DM's fetish

all fucking games are " industry plants " you fucking morons
jesus christ people really hear a phrase and try to apply it to everything

>>739293975
>I think you might be autistic
because i saved the woman in the cage from 2 demons who wanted her dead?
fanboys literally defend the indefendible

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>>739294170
yes and no, some games get 0 advertisement budget and shilling campaigns, some games have bots set up to spam the board for a year straight.

did the retards finally realize everyone was laughing at their
>I-IT ACTUALLY ONLY SOLD 3 COPIES, TENCENT BOUGHTERED THE REST!
bullshit? so proud of you guys for evolving!

>>739294281
still dent make a term designed for music artists apply to gaming in anyway and its already over used in music

>>739294380
try again but in english this time.

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>>739294170
>people hear a phrase
>start nooticing the patterns

>>739294170
nah man, some games are a products of passion and love, some games are just corporate/jew slop for the goyim.
you can easily tell which is which but the amount of poor writing and sexual content.

>>739294175
Play however you want. Those tieflings aren’t major characters or anything. But don’t start crying because you don’t understand the goody two-shoes class

>>739294557
by the amount** of poor writing
oopsie, phone posting.

>>739288098
No

>>739294281
>>739294557
>game I like being spammed: product of passion and love
>game I don't like being spammed: shilling campaign
Admit it, you have no way of knowing what is shilled and not

>>739294114
>Realtroon cope
What sad revisionism

>>739288098
Did you miss the years of early access stuff and the devs talking with players?

>>739288160
Absolutely delusional. It was in Early Access for years before release, of which I already put in about 80 hours. I knew it was going to be an amazing game.

>>739290083
i'd say it was a 50/50 split between tortanicfags and shills

>>739294494
there is no patterns games are about 40 percent marketing

>>739294281
Would this thread happen to be one of them? Look at the OP idiot

>>739294587
i didn't think they were characters at all. i though they were monsters like goblins.
why is it so hard to admit that having a woman alone in a cage with 2 people debating how to kill her is wrong?

>>739294657
jew games get spam shill campaigns to promote the brain rot, good games dont even need a shill campaign (Pragmata, E33, for example).

>>739288098
Its a Tencent product you really have to ask?

Its entire 'following' are chinese shills and leftoid journalists

neither of which play WRPGs

>>739294808
>Would this thread happen to be one of them? Look at the OP idiot
yup, of course it is.
bg3 has zero actual fans, this is just a bait thread.
good thread though, apparently everybody keeps shitting on this woke trash.

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>>739294839
I don’t think he’s convinced

>>739294114
Can you name any recent CPRG that is purely RTwP?
Exactly

>>739294953
>admits thread shitting on BG3 is a botted bait thread
Cool, thanks for playing.

>>739294114
>turn based is better
nobody ever said that.

>>739295053
who are you quoting, sweetie?
>bot makes another bg3 thread
>its not going as intended
>everybody shits on the game
based goyim reject jew brain rot.

>>739295127
>bot makes another bg3 thread about how it's an industry plant
You tried.

>>739290116
I'd put Vengeance and Crown above Oathbreaker. Also the tieflings are only on guard against underdark races, gith, and half orcs right?

>>739295127
>>739295212
>bot makes a bg3 thread
that is all we need, faggots.
>everybody shits on the jew game
based.

>>739295317
Drows, duergar and giths. They have to make an intimidation test to scare them off.

>>739295424
>bot makes thread shitting on bg3
>that is all we need
This is what you pathetic losers have been reduced to, damn

>>739295738
>bot makes thread shitting on bg3
are you sure?

>>739295809
see the OP

>>739288098
Baldur's Gate is literally the most famous CRPG. You did hear about it before, disingenuous piece of shit.

>>739295862
>see OP
ok i just did, here it is:
>Is it an industry plant?
doesnt look like shitting to me.
>to me it does
sounds like a you problem.
>everybody here hates the woke jew game
based.

>>739288098
it was the bear sex and shills who say otherwise are either ignorant or disingenuous. It went viral when Larian had a pre launch event broadcast live from some Belgian shithole brick building. They showed the scene and I watched it blow up on twitter in real time. Before then the game was nothing, in fact it was sorta of memed on because of it being early access for so long. Larian's on stats show most players never finished the game, because a flood of normies (a higher % than normal being women) bought it and dropped once it became apparent it was shit. Sure it has its fans, but that never meant it was good, its really just the best in its niche currently.

>>739296270
dos2 had a peak of 100k concurrent players dear culture war tourist

>>739288098
/v/ will bash it because it's "woke" or popular, but honestly the reason it's so popular is because it literally does what everyone wants out of a linear RPG game.

>complete total freedom to do whatever the fuck you want and kill whoever the fuck you want
>the choices to be completely evil or completely good, or somewhere in between
>choices matter and affect future quests, characters, and plot lines
>different playthroughs can result in entirely different outcomes
>over hundreds of hours of content in one playthrough
>ability to play co-op with friends locally and online
>modding tools and mods to extend the life of the game

Say what you will, but Larian delivered what /v/ wants out of an RPG experience.

>>739295960
>doesnt look like shitting to me
Because you agree with the botted OP. Just be honest.

>>739296442
Trvke

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>>739288098
>I didn't look at any video game related platforms or content and I didn't hear of this game until I did. Where did it come from?
There was less discussion when it was in beta, but it vaguely floated around in the ether. Then it released and everyone played it and talked about it and had controversies.

>>739296442
I’m afraid none of that counts.
Don’t ask me why just yet; the spinning wheel of excuses hasn’t quite come to a stop

>>739296442
nice advertising slogans, but the game itself is just 1/10.
>no content
>worst written DND game in history
>awful loot
>unplayable combat (press end turn and you can go out for an hour or so)
>dogshit outdated divinity graphics engine
it was so fucking bad, i couldnt believe it.

>>739288098
then you werent paying attention, even in the extended beta where you could only play portions of act 1 it was being praised as a fantastic crpg

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>>739297539
don't spend it all in one place

>>739297539
trvke

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>>739288098
Anyone who knew anything about RPGs heard about it as soon as it was first announced, way to out yourself as a tourist

>>739297539
>>awful loot
the best item in the whole game is something like:
>+1 nail growth speed on a sunny monday after doing 10 jumping jacks
what the fuck was larian thinking.

>>739296978
It’s easier to just flip a coin
>heads
Explain how Israel is using the game as a psyop campaign to import more refugees to /v/
>tails
Spam scat images

>>739298257
Sparkstrider set can carry you to act 2 if you’re not legitimately retarded. Yes, I know that’s what you’re referencing because you can get it almost immediately in act 1 and you couldn’t think of anything else to bring up.

>>739288098
wait you think that a game made by one of the last, if not the last, big independent rpg devs is an "industry plant"
like how would that even work, what part of the "industry" would "plant" this game rather than one of the games distributed by the big publishers

the actual industry plant of the RPG's around that time was Veilguard, it was relentlessly pushed on everyone at the behest of an industry juggernaut (EA) despite being an objectively shit game

>>739298257
the biggest sin of the loot in bg3 is how fucking BORING it is.
the items are BORING, the story is BORING and the companions are fucking BORING.

it was also super weird how like halfway through the game larian forgot about the tadpoles in my brain.

>>739299153
exactly what recent rpg has better loot?

>>739299209
crimson desert

Why doesn't DEX Paladin work?

>>739299209
im pretty sure we can just randomly pick any other game that has loot in it, and its gonna be better than what bg3 has.

>>739289419
>play a murderhobo
>be surprised that's not the optimal way in a role playing game

Well, it launched early access, and was out for like 5 years and was completely unremarkable in every single aspect of it's existence, the devs were ultra-woketards who would unceasingly seethe that the supermajority of players picked generic A. Wyatt. Mann cosplays with fighter as a class. Then they used a gigantic cash infusion to market the game before launch, because marketing is what sells games, nothing else. It's a serviceable cRPG that starts very strong and trails off towards the back third, so it captured casuals who only play 10-15 hours of a game anyway. All the memes and shit they marketed foot-forward like bear sex helped propel it into the normalfag line of sight, as well.

>>739299431
Why would it work? Paladin is the big guy in heavy armor whacking guys at the frontlines. Dex is not that.

>>739298520
People complaining about loot literally just got filtered.

>>739299153
>it was also super weird how like halfway through the game larian forgot about the tadpoles in my brain.
who cares man the whole game is about romancing and sexing the team.

>>739299767
>People complaining about loot literally just got filtered.
filtered by the shittiest, most boring loot ever put in an RPG.

>>739299524
Name them

>>739290230
>>i can't be bothered to play games where you have to follow a guide step by step not to break the arbitrary rules the game put in place
no offense but why'd you choose paladin then

>>739299867
Skyrim.

>>739299153
Would that be around the time that one of your party members turns into a half-mindflayer and you start to really harvest tadpole powers? And around the time the game explains why you can ignore the tadpoles?

>>739299704
STR doesn't inherently make you better at getting hit, in fact DEX increases your AC

>>739299867
New Vegas

>>739299990
I appreciate that you treat Skyrim as a "recent game" because it truly is the epitome of modern AAA shit, but other than that I gotta say you suffer from schizoid delusions

>>739299431
what do you mean? it can

>>739300001
DEX increases AC up to the limit the armor permits, which is practically nothing in heavy armor. So you have to purposefully wear lighter armor so you can gain AC from DEX, and then you still suck at hitting the guy in fromt of you because you lack strenght.

There were early access threads on /v/ for years

>>739300083
Use a Finesse weapon, the best medium armors have really good DEX bonuses making them a better choice than heavy armors.

>>739300083
Finesse to-hit and weapon damage scale with DEX so you only suck at hitting the guy in front of you if you use wrong weapons or don't chug strength potions

>>739300351
At that point you've sacrificed so much that you're basically playing "we have rogue at home"
You're not using the strenghts of the job, and you're not getting the bonuses of a dex job.

>>739288098
I think so. There's no way that many people want to play a "DnD" game. Literally the type of game normies play so they can say "I'm so nerdy".

>>739300074
>recent
?
why it has to be recent?
what exactly do you consider recent?
give me your specific tiny little imaginary criteria you have in your head.

>>739300423
You replied to a post reading
>exactly what recent rpg has better loot?
Are you seething so hard you already forgot about that?

>>739300412
there's no sacrifice in using phalar aluve or other good finesse weapons except for not using the str weapons, which can just go to other str builds in the party anyway

>>739300502
no shit sherlock, thats exactly why im asking:
why a recent rpg?

The real question is
Why doesn't Smite work on ranged attacks?
I need a bow Paladin.

>>739299892
i didn't think self defense against 2 people trying to kill a woman and who attack you first would break the oath

>>739301205
They're technically innocent people, they attack Lae'zel since the Gith group you meet a little later killed a few of them you find that out in the Grove from the guy they mention when you initiate dialogue best thing to do if you do combat is to just knock them out instead of kill them.

>>739289419
how did you ignore the multiple dialogue options to tell the tieflings to fuck off? Paladins even get a special option

>>739299767
Filtered implies they played it.
The fact that none of the highly situational act 1 amulets have been posted proves that they’re just playing telephone from release threads.
I’ll never forget one absolute retard who claimed the everburn blade doesn’t count as loot because it’s impossible to get without cheese, despite the achievement for killing the cambion having a similar completion rate as the tutorial

>>739301358
>Gith group you meet a little later killed a few of them
if this happened before getting to that point, i would agree with literally everyone who replied to me
but it didn't. i had no idea who the good guys and the bad guys were. all i saw was 2 people killing a woman

i realize everyone replying to me is a veteran and takes some information for granted, but in that moment i really tried to do what's right
>>739301501
i did try the options, i guess i failed a skill check

>>739300748
Why doesn't Booming Blade worth with bows?

>>739301545
You know from the Nautilod segment Lae'zel will attack others for little reason, she's very abrasive, and will attack innocent people. Act 1 Lae'zel is not a good person, all your replies seem very disingenuous

>>739301545
>all i saw was 2 people killing a woman
No, you saw two scared people capturing a woman and debating what to do with her. There's a difference.
> in that moment i really tried to do what's right
Your oath doesn't necessarily line up with what you personally think is correct. That is one of the restrictions of playing paladin. If you don't want to live by a rigid oath, don't play an oathbound class. Or just play oathbreaker.

>>739301545
They say "Zoru was right" which should tell you they seen them before, and the fact they have her trapped should tell you that they're hostile to the Tieflings

What the fuck are Tiefling names even supposed to be?

>>739301732
as i said, she seemed standoffish, untrusting.
>all your replies seem very disingenuous
it's you guys who can't put yourself into the shoes of someone who quit the game early. all the answers i get involve some knowledge that i couldn't have gotten yet
>>739301852
>you saw two scared people capturing a woman
no, the male wanted to kill her and the female wanted to leaver for the goblins who would probably do worse.
>>739301872
i didn't get all that. the first impression i got was of monsters who trapped someone, then they debated whether to killer her now or leave her to be killed

>>739301205
But they didn’t attack you first. You tried to free a prisoner that had supposedly killed their friends and they tried to stop you. And even though it was a clear misunderstanding, you still used lethal attacks

>>739302289
>no, the male wanted to kill her and the female wanted to leaver for the goblins who would probably do worse.
So they had her captured, and were debating what to do with her. And they were scared. That lines up exactly with what I said.

>>739302289
why are the tieflings monsters in this scenario but somehow the gith isn't

>>739301545
I mean, if there's really an option to knock people out and it's a paladin, the game seems justified. Just because you can knock people out. All else non-withstanding. Paladins are known for having weird rules.

>>739294175
you are actually the reason why shit like yellow paint exists, i dont even play dnd just came over from dos 2 and i figured out the gith were the biggest asshole race from the get go

>>739302541
There is, non-lethal attacks are important in a few points. But the game sucks at tutorializing that sort of thing. It's honestly my big gripe with the game, it sucks at explaining itself.

>>739302307
they did. i must have failed a charisma check because they did.
>you still used lethal attacks
i didn't think to switch, and i didn't think i had to. they looked like demons who trapped a woman to me
>>739302346
>And they were scared
nah. i'm watching it on youtube. they were chill.
>>739302449
>why are the tieflings monsters in this scenario but somehow the gith isn't
SHE'S IN A CAGE. SHE'S TRAPPED AND DEFENCELESS.
>>739302541
even then, i didn't think of going non lethal and why should i? it's literally 2 demons watning to kill a trapped woman
>>739302645
good for you, i guess it's impossible to misundertstand that LITERAL FUCKING DEMONS WHO TRAPPED A WOMAN AND DISCUSS HOW TO KILL HER ARE GOOD.

you guys literally cannot comprehend how it is to not know the lore. you probably played the whole game and you've got the whole setting in your mind, but i didn't. i was just starting out.
all i saw was a party member trapped by 2 demons

>>739290048
RE4 Remake is a better video game than BG3.

>>739302781
>SHE'S IN A CAGE. SHE'S TRAPPED AND DEFENCELESS.
she's been shown to be aggressive at best on the entire nautiloid before this
this also doesn't answer how the tieflings are monsters but the gith isn't

>>739288098
Do you play tabletop RPGs or even CRPGs? If not, it wasn’t made for you.

>>739302781
>nah. i'm watching it on youtube. they were chill.
You might be autistic. I'm not even memeing.

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>>739302781
first thing I found on paladins

>>739302289
>i didn't get all that.
I think you might have skipped dialogue then, that's one of the first things the male says but after that you find out that the Gith did in fact attack the Tieflings on the road

>>739302781
>muh demons
Nigger… Did you check out the character creator at all? Tieflings are like the first race you see and that should have made you realize “huh, guess some people look like demons in this setting”. Don’t blame the game for your own lack of logical thinking

>>739288098
That's factually impossible unless video games aren't your main hobby and secondaries are unwelcome here

>>739302865
>this also doesn't answer how the tieflings are monsters but the gith isn't
they look like demons. she looked like a yellow elf to me.
>>739302990
you're just lying
>>739303025
they attacked ME. they wanted to kill ME. maybe i failed a skill check but they tried to kill me, same as astarion who i had killed earlier with no repercussions
>>739303110
i rewatched it on youtube. all he says at first is "zoru was right" (i don't know who he is) and that the woman is yellow and ugly.
>>739303208
just because you can choose a race, doesn't mean that they're good. still, if they were human and trying to kill a woman, i would've still tried to save her. and then they attacked me.

i played the entirety of planescape torment. i know to avoid combat. i repeat, again: people literally cannot comprehend how it is to not know the lore

>>739303590
>they look like demons. she looked like a yellow elf to me.
very paladin-like of you to condemn the innocent to death because of their appearance
lae'zel wasn't defenseless or even afraid, she stands up in the cage cross-armed and annoyed, and if you do nothing she just breaks out and kills both of them anyway

>>739303590
Don’t pick a RP focused class if you don’t want to learn the lore

What's the best combat style? Like I've heard Defense since it's just a permanent unconditional +1 to AC but how much value is just 1 AC versus more damage and attack?

>>739303797
>very paladin-like of you to condemn the innocent to death because of their appearance
as i said, literally in that post
>if they were human and trying to kill a woman, i would've still tried to save her. and then they attacked me.
>>739303828
yeah maybe don't make "good people" trap and kill women, also don't make them attack me

>>739304050
nothing was stopping your escape
you killed two people because you were personally offended by them attacking you, that's fine, but you're not a paladin

>>739304050
If you want to play by your personal understanding of morality, play a fighter or something.
For a paladin, you need to follow the oath. Not what you want to be the oath, but the oath as written.

>>739303843
AC is better the more of it you have
that said if you're using a bow archery is better

>>739288098
Yes, this and E33

>>739304125
i killed 2 monsters who attacked me first, most likely due to a failed check
>>739304247
the entire issue is that "breaking the oath" for defending myself against people who tried to kill me is wrong. why the fuck are "good people" trying to kill me? for a failed check?
if they said "i don't believe you, leave" and i attacked, it would've been different.
that didn't happen. they attacked me, and i defended myself.

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>2026
>chuds still crying over this game winning GOTY
pathetic

>>739303590
>nor does he kill someone he perceives to be a threat

>>739304449
>the entire issue is that "breaking the oath" for defending myself against people
The entire issue is you not knowing the stipulations of the Oath in the first place. Signing the ToS without reading it has consequences

>>739304449
>i killed 2 monsters who attacked me first, most likely due to a failed check
you're ignoring the context of the situation on purpose
nothing was preventing your escape, they obviously weren't mindless monsters, you just killed two people and the game reprimanded you for it

>>739304449
The problem is that you acted rash. You jumped to conclusions about the situation, and escalated it towards lethal violence. You had several options to avoid this. As a result, you killed innocent people.
Yes, they are innocent. You're coming to the aid of someone who attacked them. They are hence excused to fight you. That you didn't know that is your problem - the outcome matters as much as the intent.
Look, I know, Paladin can be a bitch to play. There's a lot of situations where not breaking your oath is a pain in the ass. But if you commit to an oath, you gotta put in the effort.

>>739299153
>>739299524
>im pretty sure we can just randomly pick any other game that has loot in it, and its gonna be better than what bg3 has.
Wrong. The last five games I played besides BG3
>Ghost of Tsushima
I just got some... iron. A lump or iron and some leather. And what's around the corner here? Another lump of iron and some linen. I guess I can upgrade my armor to a bigger number now...
>Expedition 33
Most of it is just consumables for linear stat upgrades. Pictos are amazing loot and are transformative to gameplay but they are rare compared to the shit load of chroma catalysts and color of lumina, and you only get the passives and stats in a quite mechanical way compared to BG3 where you get unique descriptions and models for each item.
>Grandia
Shit loads of potions and consumables you never use. Very rarely find a new weapon or piece of gear, and if you do they don't often have unique passives. There is the hat which allows you to teleport to hit, which you conveniently get just before you lose your archer from the party, which is nice.
>Lies of P
Same system that Expedition 33 borrows from. 99% of it is ergo of various shapes and sizes, only bosses drop interesting or unique loot.
>Horizon Forbidden West
Actually a relatively fun loot system but most of the loot is still junk you don't and will never need, the fun is how you obtain it by chipping off specific parts

So from a sample of 5, BG3 has them all beat for loot. There are not many games where you get interesting unique loot all over the place, dropped from enemies, in chests, littered around the world. There are just shit loads of items with unique passives that can alter your build besides just giving stat bonuses. I guess it would be fairer to compare it to another western RPG, but even in Oblivion for instance you can lockpick a chest in somebody's house and find nothing but some tongs and a ball of fucking yarn which the residents inexplicably needed to keep under lock and key.

>>739288195
How so? The only announced BG3 clone in development is Solasta 2, and it currently is in early access with <100 players. BG3 was a flash in the pan fad game.

>>739304449
>enter restricted area
>guard tries to force you out
>kill him
>”What do you mean “murder”? I was just defending myself! He attacked me first! Why is the law so convoluted?”

>>739304759
it changed gaming forever. no other game this century has been as innovative as bg3 and you can't deny that in good faith. the amount of new ideas it brought to the table are frankly, overwhelming. you don't have to like it but you cant deny it broke new ground like nothing since the transition from 2d to 3d.

>>739304581
>>739304608
>>739304657
are you telling me i can't kill bandits for the entire game?
also why could i kill astarion for putting a knife on my throat without breaking the oath?
>>739304673
>You jumped to conclusions about the situation, and escalated it towards lethal violence. You had several options to avoid this
i TRIED. i FAILED A SKILL CHECK
>you killed innocent people.
>That you didn't know that is your problem
nah that's a weak excuse. if being a paladin came with omniscience maybe, but it doesn't.
the truth is much more likely that the game decides who is ok to kill or not based on alignment or something like that
>>739304940
1 forest, not restricted
2 i tried to convince them to leave, but i failed. and they jumped me like criminals
3 from my pov, they were killing a party member

>>739288098
Yes, and we're tired of entering dogshit BG3 threads to caution you against falling for it. Learn your lesson already.

>>739305138
>are you telling me i can't kill bandits for the entire game?
that's an entirely different sentence, don't be stupid on purpose
>also why could i kill astarion for putting a knife on my throat without breaking the oath?
because he isn't an innocent, he's holding a knife to your throat after tricking you into looking away so he can get information out of you
>i TRIED. i FAILED A SKILL CHECK
so what was stopping you from escaping?

>>739305138
>are you telling me i can't kill bandits for the entire game?
You didnt kill bandits though, did you? And you know this.

>>739305138
>nah that's a weak excuse.
The one making excuses is you. You already told us you thought of them as demons to be killed.

>>739305138
kek, I'm convinced this is bait to get paladin autists to reply

>>739305342
>>739305449
>>739305548
>>739305562
yeah fuck off. literally fanboys being dishonest.
astarion attacked me from nothing just like the tieflings. i could kill him, but not them. you guys are just lying

>>739305624
you've run out of arguments and aren't directly replying to any of them because you know you're wrong

>>739305714
i had to repeat the same arguments 10 times
you're being obtuse, dishonest and dense on purpose

>>739305624
>yeah fuck off. literally fanboys being dishonest
Were the two tieflings you killed bandits? Yes or no.

>>739305961
i literally had no way to know that they weren't
they were killing a woman and they attacked me for a failed check
i repeated this so many times i've lost count

>>739305872
your arguments were addressed
Astarion isn't innocent, you acted rashly for an excuse to kill, you never tried to escape, and for some reason you added "jumped me like a criminal" to try and frame yourself more sympathetically for some reason
you're a fighter, not a paladin, get over it

>>739305120
Innovative doesn't mean "changed gaming". Spore was an innovative title. But it had zero impact on gaming.

>>739306004
>i literally had no way to know that they weren't
so you'd kill innocents under the assumption that they were bandits
and you did

>>739306004
>i literally had no way to know that they weren't
Neither I nor the God you swore your oath to cares about your excuses.
It's a Yes or No question. Were they bandits?

>>739306028
>>739306093
is this a discord raid or are you bots?

>>739288195
What did it change? What is E33 and what did it change?

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>>739288098
there have been threads for a long time and DOS2 was a thing here so fans of that would've been talking about it constantly

>>739305562
If it’s bait, it’s a funny way to kill time.
If it’s real, it’s genuinely concerning and I hope he never gets access to firearms

>>739306129
is this a troll or are you retarded?

>>739288098
>I live under a rock, is this a plant
no, you're retarded

>>739288098
It's an ok game but a slog
It's teeeeerrible if you don't have patience
D&D N-----S love it

>>739306215
The real giveaway is hoe he didnt say ANYTHING about the dialog choice he picked and the reply to the failed skill check.
>>739306129
>Raiders! Bots!
Definitely baiting

>no guys a righteous warrior of God shouldn't ever ever ever kill people who are plotting to murder a defenceless woman and then try to kill the paladin because he said not to kill the woman!
>everyone has to be a heckin charisma build who convinces horrible monsters and murderers to live happily in society!
In BG1 there's a paladin who comes up to your party and if you're traveling with anyone who is evil he will instantly aggro and try to wipe you all out. That is what a paladin is. He sees evil and he terminates it without mercy. He doesn't "talk people down", he isn't a fucking therapist, he is a holy warrior who will wipe out any evil that he sees.

If Larian can't understand this or feel triggered by it then they have no business making a Baldur's Gate game.

>the tieflings (that can be any chaotic alignment) are plotting to murder the githyanki (always lawful evil)
>somehow according to 739306594 killing the lawful evil aberration is a bad thing
ok

>>739306594
So why didn’t you just roll with oathbreaker then? You still get access to smites and paladin dialogues, you get a less restrictive playstyle that suits your autistic morals, and you get a cool bro in your camp.

>>739306594
>That is what a paladin is. He sees evil and he terminates it without mercy.
Not the Githyanki apparently lol

>>739306697
No alignments in 5E, even the game doesn't support this argument.

>Want to replay BG3
>Remember the Illthid ship
>Remember the Druid grove
>Remember the Goblin camp
>Remember the Underdark
>Remember the Creche
>Remember Moonrise towers
>Remember Baldurs Gate
>Remember the sewers
>Decide not to play BG3

>>739306894
then a paladin can't "see evil and terminate it without mercy" huh

I specced Karlach as a Paladin and just ignored the oath storyline completely. I just wanted her to be a slow single hit melee tank who wields a massive weapon and chunks a load of HP in one hit. Paladin 4 for Divine Smite, Sorcerer 5 which is the minimum number of levels for level 4 spell slots I think and also gives Booming Blade, and Fighter 3 Champion, also using the crit range bow, elixir of viciousness and the underdog gloves for near constant advantage. Has the vampire potion for +2 STR and for perks went with GWM and the one which gives +1 STR (20 total) and doubles jump distance. Also casted increase size on her for most battles just for fun. So she's a slow lumbering giant that can leap right across the battlefield into a swarm of enemies, cleave through them and optional divine smite on hit, then colossal onslaught the same or another 3 dudes and smite them as well, or booming blade for tanky bosses for an extra 2d8, with a high chance to crit, and roll again with action surge if I don't.

Never played D&D before or any BG but man did I love the build and battle system once I began to understand it. One of my favorite all time RPGs.

>>739306594
>so triggered and btfo that he made a different post instead of answering a simple question
And this is why you dont speedread. What a retard

>>739306842
>implying I'm playing this shit
I tapped out after I got to the point where the vamp tries to kill you in your sleep. Designing a companion in such a way that you have to be an OOC retard to not kill him is fucking pathetic. Then I saw what they did to Sarevok and put this game in the pile of other trash I'll never touch.

>>739306871
The game itself says githyanki aren't inherently evil and turns her good so which is it? How are paladins able to keep their oath after they refuse to kill the gith on-sight?

>now pretends to be a lore expert
Bait it was

>>739307191
Individuals of a race are capable of straying from their alignment in editions where alignments are featured, that doesn't stop the majority of the race from acting how their alignment would describe (see the creche in the mountain pass)
Lae'zel doesn't become good, at best she strays from lawful evil to more lawful neutral
>How are paladins able to keep their oath after they refuse to kill the gith on-sight?
You don't break the oath for not killing Lae'zel, you break your oath for killing the innocent, and in the situation where Lae'zel is captured you can avoid that by getting them away from her, which really shouldn't be hard since Paladins are a charisma class

>>739307145
>I loved the lore
Bait.

>>739307618
??? that post doesn't even talk about loving the lore

>bait box art thread
>it's about a dumb autist trying to play paladin and failing horribly due to autism
lmao

>>739289276
it's a very successful game with trannies

I want to say Bow Paladin is the antithesis of what a Paladin is, but Paladins are just holy warriors in service to a deity or beholden to an oath the weapons they use are irrelevant

>>739308052
I assume that a paladin’s power is channeled through them by a higher power (not necessarily a god), and into their weapon. And using a bow would break this connection the moment the arrow is let loose

I still don't understand the plot of BG3. Was the Netherbrain controlling the 3 bad dudes, or were the 3 bad dudes controlling the Netherbrain?

>>739307370
>You don't break the oath for not killing Lae'zel, you break your oath for killing the innocent
The "innocent" that wanted to kill an objectively evil being?

You CANNOT have it both ways, nigger. Either gith are so evil that they should be killed on sight and a paladin would fall if he doesn't, or gith are not inherently evil and therefore anyone who tries to kill one even when a fucking PALADIN is telling them not do is EVIL.

>>739308227
The Netherbrain was manipulating the three bad dudes while letting them believe that they were controlling the Netherbrain

>>739308337
Why didn't the Netherbrain just tadpole them directly?

>>739306170
e33 is you're game of the year wether you like it or not, and it influenced games for decades to come

>>739308395
>is you're game of the year wether
So it's some jeetslop, got it.
The only game that came out last year was Silksong, nothing else was relevant.

>>739308331
>even when a fucking PALADIN is telling them not do is EVIL.
In the case that there isn't any evil inherent enough here for the gith to not be killed on sight (which is what I'd prefer), what makes you think that merely being a paladin means you get to decide what's right and wrong? If you fail to convince them, you're not forced to kill them. The tieflings holding her aren't "horrible monsters and murderers" just because you failed a roll.

>>739308331
>You CANNOT have it both ways, nigger. Either gith are so evil that they should be killed on sight and a paladin would fall if he doesn't, or gith are not inherently evil and therefore anyone who tries to kill one even when a fucking PALADIN is telling them not do is EVIL.
You DO realize that in both scenarios you're STILL the oathbreaker for killing the tieflings, right?
>Gith are so evil, why are you arguing for her?
>If Gith are not evil and the tieflings have imprisoned her, why arent you asking them why they did that? Why did you jump to conclusions and kill them without hearing their side out?
You're really insistent on digging yourself deeper like a dumb nigger

>>739308543
>what makes you think that merely being a paladin means you get to decide what's right and wrong?
So you don't know what a paladin is, thanks for your concession.

>>739308380
Because as long as they each had a stone, they had full control of it. The brain knew however that they would start infighting, so it allowed itself to be subjugated just so it could recieve an op artifact

>>739288098
all the early access threads were in /vrpg/, a dead board walking

>>739308670
No argument?
>thanks for your concession.
Thank you for saying it for me.

>>739308670
>Im a paladin! I get to decide what's right and wrong! I have the power of God and anime on my side!
>Oathbreaker because you're not the arbitrator, you're an enforcer of God's law
Yes, this is the kind of dumb motherfucker that gets filtered by bg3. Something to note.

>>739308653
>You DO realize that in both scenarios you're STILL the oathbreaker for killing the tieflings, right?
Not an argument.

>Why did you jump to conclusions and kill them without hearing their side out?
Read what he said: >>739301545
>i did try the options, i guess i failed a skill check
This game was made by faggots who think "PALADIN" means "therapist who convinces evil people not to do evil with nice words".

>>739308882
The game was made by faggots who think "PALADIN" means "swore to uphold a particular oath" which is what 5e writes Paladins as, since there's no alignment, and you broke your oath. Simple as.

>>739308756
>>739308825
>"um actually God sometimes says that two people trying to murder a defenceless women are the good guys and you're not allowed to kill them just look it up on the wiki like I did"
I accept your concession.

>>739308982
>the fully armed and armored githyanki is defenceless
I accept your concession.

>>739308882
>evil people
Again. You just assumed they were evil because they reminded you of devils. And when the game informed you that was not the case, you felt personally attacked because a machine called out your irl morals for being wrong

>>739308980
>and you broke your oath.
How did he? Explain using your big boy words. How is it not evil to attempt to kill a defenceless person in a cage AFTER someone has come by and warned them not to do that?
>b-b-but she's a heckin evil gith
Then how is it not breaking an oath to let the gith live at all?
State ONE thing that the player did wrong that isn't "failed a charisma check".

>>739308882
>his scenarios paint him as a murderhobo
>Not an argument
lol
>i did try the options, i guess i failed a skill check
What was the dialog option you picked, little faggot? I'll be nice and let you look.up the wiki too. Tell the class what you said that pissed the tieflings off so much.

>>739309135
>How is it not evil to attempt to kill a defenceless person in a cage AFTER someone has come by and warned them not to do that?
She isn't defenceless and you're not forced to kill them.
>State ONE thing that the player did wrong that isn't "failed a charisma check".
He chose to kill them when he didn't have to.

>>739309043
>>739309052
>dude why are you arresting me?
>it was a fair fight for me to shoot arrows at this person trapped in a cage!
>look they had a sword!
>clearly the only reason you don't like me is because I look like a devil!

>>739309217
>anyone who doesn't roleplay as a therapist and try to solve ATTEMPTED MURDER with kind words and forgiveness is a murderhobo
Once again I ask you to look up what a PALADIN is.
>He chose to kill them when he didn't have to.
And why is that wrong if they're attacking him?

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>>739309232
>>look they had a sword!
>what do you mean i broke my oath not to kill the innocent?
>look they caught the raider in a cage!
>the raider is innocent not the evil demons!

>>739309310
>didnt post the dialog option
Come on now. You dindu nuffin, right? Prove it.

>these same room temp IQ "Players" who try to play paladin and fumble are the ones complaining about "woke" shit on BG3

>>739309232
But you didn’t arrest them, did you?

>>739309310
>Once again I ask you to look up what a PALADIN is.
In 5e, someone who swore by an oath, which you broke.
>And why is that wrong if they're attacking him?
Because they've detained a githyanki and haven't done anything wrong, and from their point of view you're trying to free the githyanki.
>but gith aren't evil! there's no alignment in 5e!
All of the githyanki in this stage of the game are raiders, and Lae'zel isn't any different until player intervention.

Personally I go with barbarian for morals. Might makes right after all

>>739309347
Oh shit she's an evil raider? Then by a paladin's oath, he should have to kill her on sight? Is that your argument?

>>739309474
>DUDE why didn't just arrest them peacefully? Why didn't you call for backup and shoot them nonlethally in the leg and ask them politely several more times to stop attacking people with a weapon and hire a crisis counselor to ask about their childhood trauma DUDE you can't just KILL PEOPLE!

Yeah, I think I'm done here, you're all just faggots who somehow got the job descriptions for 'paladin' and 'therapist' confused and you're too mindraped to ever be able to understand why you're wrong. If you're not even able to understand the basic concept of self-defence let alone the idea of a holy warrior devoted to slaying evil then I'm not going to bother.

>>739309903
Later, homo. And once again, try oathbreaker. The “I DECIDE WHATS GOOD AND EVIL!” mindset fits that subclass perfectly

>>739309903
>You just dont know what a paladin is! It's whatever I think it is!
The sad part is that you wont stop here, your battered ego and autism wont let you admit you're in the wrong.

>>739309903
>Oh shit she's an evil raider?
Funny, I don't see "evil" in my post, because the game doesn't have alignments.
All that happened is that you killed innocent people who captured her and you broke your oath not to do so, it's not that deep. You can be an oathbreaker and not be evil.

>>739309778
Surprising the number of special dialogues that Barbarians get

>>739308227
The basic gist is
>Gortash’s parents sell him to Raphael
>he finds out about the crown while at the house of hope
>makes a deal with Zariel to escape
>rises his way up the Big Guy’s ranks and meets Durge
>they both hatch the plan to steal the crown and control the nether brain (which Raphael seethes about because he never had the balls to try)
>from there they plan to have Durge cause panic from inside Baldur’s Gate and Ketheric to provide an obvious threat to rally against using his army of useful idiots
>however nobody counted on Orin having a woman moment and fucking everything up
>durge getting ousted causes a chain reaction that has them lose control of the brain

>>739308227
>Whiters: the dead three want to turn everybody into mindflayers to deprive the other Gods of souls or algo
>Gortash: "we want to tadpole key people to rule over a totalitarian autocracy in the name of our evil Gods"
>Brain: "I orchestrated everything... somehow!"
Dont worry, even the writers didnt understand it.

>>739288098
nah it's unironically GOTD so far
1. BG3
2. E33
3 Elden Ring

None of my Paladins use swords so that swordfags seethe about some image they have in their head

>>739312293
if you want to fuck with the image of a paladin later in the game, you could be dex-focused with the finesse glaive and use polearm master + sentinel
I originally did this with a rogue for a free sneakattack on anyone entering melee range, but it should "Work" here too

>>739295898
>Baldur's Gate is literally the most famous CRPG.

No, that's Fallout. Fallout is infinitely more famous.

>>739312628
I tried multiclassing as a paladin+druid and relying on shillelagh. Some staffs are really fucking busted with this

>>739313135
Is that the cantrip that makes your melee weapon use your spell modifier for damage?

>>739313441
Yes. It only works on staffs though

>>739313496
Sounds like an excuse to make a Druid for me then

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>>739288098
Well known btencent astroturf.

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>They autofilter T*ncent to protect the ads
Further proof these are ai bot threads

>>739303025
Good job not reading a single fucking thing before that sentence.
A paladin is 100% allowed to kill to defend himself, or to rescue somebody. In fact that's his job.

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Daily reminder that BG3 has more players after 3 years than gook AI slop after two months that /v/ shilled so hard here

Paladins don't kill. Mostly because you can't really consider Evil races, like goblins and orcs and Dark-Elves, to be living. They are amalgamations of Evil and should be scattered apart with a SMITE EVIL
SMITE EVIL
SMITE EVIL

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>>739314420
Daily reminder BG3 is solid bots, and the chinese stock market collapsed today because of spending on worthless stuff like that.

You’re late, troongarian! Let’s hear your pitiful excuse before you resume your duties

>>739314487
cringe, you can feel that this guy likes sissyhammer 40k

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>>739314702
China lost so much money shilling bad games you are down to only having budget 1 thread per day. Sometimes 2-3 slide threads.
Random anons like me just come in to laugh at you now.

>>739288098
If it gets universal praise, it most likely is.

>>739314517
If bots and shills are what it takes to promote an actually good game over boring slop then I'm all for it.

>>739314905
>Random anons
Kek dragonirian! Still the same defeated schizo as ever!

>>739314905
Hmm… carry on then

Which Druid subclass sacrifices shitty wild shape stuff for better casting?

>>739317445
circle of land is the casting subclass
spores is also good if you like necro shit

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>>739289419

wild shapes are pretty shit. i just consider shapes to be free HP. it sponges up damage and then pops, like whatever.

>>739318557
Necro shit is just too cockblocked in most games, especially BG3 it's kind of why I'm hesitant to try Oathbreaker

>>739317445
Lands give you more spells and casts, but doesn’t do anything special with wild shape.
Spores is more necromancy focused and lets you use wild shape to spam the strongest shield in the game.
Stars gives you some free guiding bolts and dragonform is mandatory if you plan on spamming concentration spells.

>>739320445
Bg3 handles necromancy well but act 2 is filled with enemies that are either resistant or immune to necrotic damage

>>739319513
Yeah they got hit with the nerf bat.
Because back in the day they were so OP that druids invalidated fighters just by having wildshape.

a full fleged AAA crpg that wasn't shackled to some stupid EA action rpg gimmick, taking up the baldur's gate mantle was a big deal. larian being a smol quirky belgian company and baiting the chuds kept its name in the headlines.

>>739288098
BG3 and E33 were both huge hits because the big money RPG companies have adopted "gamers don't like actual RPGs, they want cinematic action slop" mindsets over the last 15 years, and now a by-the-book western CRPG and a by-the-book final fantasy-style JRPG, both with decent production values, came out and showed that people do still want these these things despite Bioware and Square's insistence on the opposite. They're really nothing that special on their own, they just exist in a vacuum thats been formed by the former giants of the genre abandoning it. It's sort of like that new Game of Thrones show: is it actually THAT good? Or are we just that starved of straightforward fantasy media with likable and competent main characters?

This game needs some jiggle physics

>>739288098
You were living under a rock.

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>>739315441
>an actually good game
which belt n road gate 3 is not

>>739319513
>>739320831
they're still strong as fuck in BG3 though.
>No gear requirement at all
>Wolf bite + free inflict woulds crit nuke
>early free flight for exploration/free xp
>Tavern brawler bullshit
>Free HP bloat on a fucking BA if you're a moon druid
>literally a free turn into a fighter button after your spells run out
>drop owlbear shenanigans
>Owlbear is a free barbarian button that deals strong damage or gets focus fired for a free turn for the party

>sabertooth 3 attack bullshit
>why the fuck does the dinosaur have a sexy bed pose
>Retard damage with the tavern brawler myrmidon

they're not action surge fighter or a multiclass but consider that this is a fucking free side ability for a full caster. at worst you'll buy the tavern brawler talent and rape shit.
honestly the only bad side of Wildshape is the shit AC so you'll be playing a sneaky striker even as a huge fuck off huge bear.
but yea it's nowhere near the bullshit tabletop 3e version.

>>739324694
>Tavern brawler bullshit
They've actually fixed Taven Brawler for Wildshapes?

>>739299153
The fuck are you talking about? Loot remaining viable due them focusing on varying effects is one of the best parts of the game.

I remember being very close to buying early access and then read an interview by a dev talking about how your party will randomly fuck eachother and cuck you and I completely lost all enthusiasm to ever play

>>739327526
You shouldn't buy early access anyways but that is not a thing that actually happens.

>>739288098
It was a decent Div2 style romp through the Forgotten Realms but for me it doesn't even come close to the BG1&2 experiences.

>>739288098
i did hear about it, but not so much.

that is really weird, considering it was in early access, it was already available for people to play but it was only after it won and influencers started to promote it that it became big.

>>739329574
I don't think it's all that weird that a company blows its marketing budget after they ironed out the issues discovered in early access.

>>739290230

i think you would be better playing a linear on trails baby game sir.

>>739327526
Jokes on you the game released and it turns out literally every one of the party characters is obsessed with fucking your brains out, and from like the first hour of the game they're like this. It's honestly fucking weird.

>>739288098
You'd have to follow the axiom that RPG "games" are kikery rubbish pushed to make video games as a whole worse. Most of this board is <70 IQ however

>>739288098
newfag?