>raytracing is a mem-
>>739299715but /v/ told me puddles arent mirrors
>>739299715The fact that GBA games did this is mindblowing
Can Pokèmon be applied here too? It stuck with sprites and made them better on DS.
>>739299780what about this pond then?
>>739299715>he thinks this is gaytracing
Aren't those just holes in the ground through which you can see the skybox
>>739299784and they cant do this on a much more powerful console now
>>739299784>>739300215it's just a texture sidescrolling you dum dums
>>739300272>snoy is still mad
Somehow Eric's favorite console is the only one capable of proper raying tracing
>>739300096>techxister seethinglmao
>>739299916DP is the right one because it started the weird faux3D shit with its overworld graphics. They barely reused anything from the gba outside a few battle sprites.
>>739300312next thing you'll say is that this isn't the wind flowing but just two sprites
>>739300312Yeah but how does the game know to have that texture sidescrolling thereObviously it has to be reflecting a sky to know that
>>739299916While some of the dynamic 3D camera angles were neat, especially in gen 5, I generally thought the games were a step down from the GBA because of the sprite and models mix.
>>739300334how can i be a snoy if i appreciate GBA games? im just pointing out how fucking shit modern pokemon games are
>>739300582>gbasnoy (formerly cubesnoy)Every time
>>739300369>>739300481this isn't raytracing you dumbfuck, it's as the other anon said, it's just clever use of texturesreflections is not a synonym for raytracing
>>739300646but i appreciate other modern nintendo games, it's just pokemon that is fucking garbage
>>739300543To me they were just a step down in terms of how pixelated they looked. Could've used more polished there, but still my most replayed gen. Sadly, not a lot of romhacks there.
>>739300543I honestly thought sinnoh had tons of charm and it capitalized on the moodiness of hoenn really well. It's not my favorite region but it did some things nicely
>>739299715-ber of the big fucking faggot club
do not open
>>739301387I don't like it
>>739301387Jarring at first, but you get quickly used to it. Weird.
>>739300481AAAslop wishes it could come closer to this kind of beauty
>>739299784It's just layers. It's like a transparent PNG.>WOAH HOW DOES IT KNOW WHAT MY 4CHAN THEME IS?!
>>739301387what the fuuuuuuuuuck
What the fuck!? How is the Megadrive rendering 100 miles of landscape?!
>>739299715>Ray Tray SinghI knew it. It's a jeet.
>>739301736how did they do it?
>>739300653Source ?
>>739300653cope
>>739301387That's so fucking cursed
Pokemon really did peak with Gen 3, not only artistically, but it also took the good of 1 and 2 and smoothed out all the rough edges of those.Gens 4 was decent too but added too much legendaryslop and basically felt like a pointless rehash of 3.
>>739299916>Reuse the sprites from the GBA gamesKirby SS ultra has like 5 times more sprites than the GBA games, it's not just reusing themSuperStar (and Ultra) have the directional attacks, GBA Kirby only has the B button
>>739299784gen 3 games are also the only pokemon games that run at 60fps
My team on Emerald. I only allow myself catch the first non-duplicate mon from each area
>>739302604true
>>739302920did you already beat the fifth gym?
>>739299916I hate the shitty 3d models and washed textures that a lot of DS games us. Feels like a massive step down from pixel graphics.Could never get into Final Fantasy 3's DS remake for this reason too
>>739301330Made me smile
>>739302837Gen 5 as well (only during battles)
>>739303018Yes, just got surf
>>739300653You can't be this dumb anon.
>>739300582>>739300712He’s falseflagging. Don’t mind him.
>>739303063Honestly I've never really been into 3D. 2D always appealed to me more for some reason.
>>739303450explore all water routes and ponds before starting the journey to Fortree. and dont forget to use item finder
>>739303176yeah but battle sprites are ugly
>>739301736Hell, gamefreak wishes they could
>>739299916for as goofy it they look i think the rotoscoping for the DS fire emblem games are kinda charming. Its kind of a shame you can see that there is genuine good art direction for the games with the CGs
>>739302949Brendan's head looks inhuman here lol
>>739304327but when it looks like this in game you see how its limited by technology of the DS
>>739304327is this Masamune Shirow trait?
>>739301387
>>739300272it's not more powerful hardware is getting worse, it can't do the things it could do 25 years ago
>>739304549yeah he is credited with the character artits a shame they couldnt emulate it in game outside the CGs
So is this a romhack? Seems a bit high production value for Pokemon.
>>739304939there was a time where pokemon had passionate people working on it
>>739299715>generation 6 consoles and hardware had working mirrors everywhere>disappeared entirely once gen 7 hardware came aroundThe 360 and its library was a mistake.
>>739304327 Yeah I get what you mean. The battle sprites look like stiff paper dolls wobbling around, but the actual illustrated key art goes hard as hell. The rotoscoped animations have this weird bootleg anime OVA energy that’s kind of endearing once you stop expecting GBA-tier sprite polish.It’s like they had incredible character designers and then had to shove everything through the DS blender. Shadow Dragon especially feels caught between eras - the CG portraits and promo art scream late 90s/early 2000s fantasy, but then you see a crit animation and Marth’s doing that awkward wind-up like he’s underwater.Still, I’ll take that over the sterile plastic look some later 3D entries drifted into. At least the DS games had a distinct vibe, even if it was a janky one.
>>739300646I'm Chuck
>>739301387Big improvement
>>739300646>nintendosnoys>xboxsnoys>pcsnoys
There's no point playing the slop series after Crystal and Emerald.
>>739306676i think gen 4 and 5 are also good tho, but i get your point.
>>739301387Thats illegal
>>739306676gen 2 evening is so comfy
I wish I could still enjoy pokemon as an adultthey're so fucking slow and boring and easy, and there's no mystery anymore about what's out there. pokemon sapphire was one of my favorite games as a kid and I don't think I could get through a full playthrough now without getting bored.
To me Pokemon needs the level of abstraction that Gen 1+2 provide. You can basically never actually portray the work of Pokemon realistically.I never actually played any game beyond Blue and Yellow until playing Crystal last year, and it still "worked" even if it was purely nostalgia.
>>739307617try rom hacks that modify difficulty, also you can speed up the game on emulator. Dont touch modern games, they are all shit
>>739307524>audio you can HEARhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XjouKSkSeM
>>739299715>Gen 2 was better despite not having reflectionsHuh, really makes you think.
>>739307617I can enjoy everything through gen V. I really struggle to enjoy the games ever since they went to the Switch
>>739307897you have a point except for the level curve and new mon availability
>>739307997Only autistics who replay the games 50 times would notice that
why is gen 3 so good?
>>739307759
>>739301387wtf bluh doin bruh
>>739307617Play hacks or fangames. They can surprise and challenge you, as well as mix up mons and mechanics.
>>739299715>>739300027>>739300369>>739300481Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald was the last good pokemon game. They should have stopped there.
>>739308418>[game that came out when I was a kid] was the last good pokemon gameyeah, we know
>>739303063The 3 and 4 remakes on DS are so good but the graphics just hurt my eyes, even back in the day, the only solution is to play them on the smallest screen possible which would be a DS Lite
>>739304528Those maps look so good, too mad the ugly 3d models are there.
>>739308469This is the list. I'm 35 years old btw
>>739299916Shadow Dragon is a great game though.
>>739308778>crystal in god but HGSS in shittrying way too hard
>>739308778>firered godtier>emerald le eh>hg suck the dick and eat the shit tier
Seeing this thread reminded me that I think Pokemon was much better when you had to give HM's to them to perform actions like surf, strength, fly etc.Having rental Pokemon or partner abilities is dogshit and ruins the feeling of adventure along with the rewarding feeling of obtaining, raising and using specific Pokemon to do certain jobs while also being part of your team.Yes I don't give a shit if it takes up a slot, Yes I don't give a shit if it's not competitively viable, Yes I don't give a shit if the moves are bad. Yes I don't give a shit if it hurts team variety as I have certain Pokemon types in my team, Yes I don't give a shit if it makes zero sense why a Pokemon with wings can't fly me somewhere without a HM.To me, the only bad HM's are Flash and Defog. I can see a use case for allowing you to overwrite HM's as opposed to being permanent but outside of that I don't care. It's a lot more fun to me to use my own Pokemon to traverse the world as more challenges approach and just brute force all fights as I see fit.
>>739308849It's the same game but censored and uglier. Why wouldn't it go into shit tier?
>censoredoh no, it's retarded
>>739309005?
>>739308778Most retarded tier ever posted on this site
>>739306676>>739306831I'm currently playing through Black (1). I've got to say, I'm not really enjoying it as much as prior generations. There's too much forced dialogue (this was a problem in platinum as well) and the whole soft reboot thing of only having new 'mons just feels bad. Doesn't help that half the dex is just very unappealing designs. The routes between towns also feel very short, but that might be due to almost all of them having an NPC around the mid-point that fully heals your party.
>>739301387Those diagonal sprites look really bad.
>>739309259BW is when Pokemon designs really started shitting themselves. They had been on a decline since gen 3 but that was my personal breaking point.
>>739308778KANTOOOOOOOO
>can't stop hearing the trumpetsAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>739308778you're shitposting but I'll do an honest ranking anyway. I'm 25 years old and the first game I played was FireRed at the age of 11. >GODHeart Gold, Platinum, Scarlet>GoodEmerald, Omega Ruby, PLA>EhX>ShitFirered>Haven't playedRed, Crystal, Black 2, PLZA, Sun 2>DroppedSundon't think I missed any but I won't bother to check. Really excited for the new generation and the big game where the first three maps are combined
>>739309973you started on Fire Red shortly after the 3DS launched?
>>739309973>you're shitpostingI guess Pokemon Adults cannot accept people having different opinions from themselves.
>>739310084Yes, my parents could not afford to buy me consoles. >>739310108Oh, no no. I'm perfectly capable of that. It's just, you put Scarlet in good. yet HG and Pt in bad. However, anyone who has played all three of these games and would rank them in this manner is either lobotomized, or being incredibly Jewish. You can still type like a normal person, so I'm assuming it's the latter. It's also likely that you've never played them and are just shitposting despite that, and while I respect that, since I did spend an inordinate amount of time in this franchise I just felt like sharing my opinion here as well. If this really is your genuine, honest-to-god opinion, it would make you a strange man indeed.
>>739308961TMs should never have been one-time use and HMs should always have been overwritable. You're not wrong about anything else though. You really don't need more than 2 attack moves on any given 'mon, so spreadung your HMs across the party isn't really an issue.
>>739308961>the only bad HM's are Flash and DefogRock Smash too. Just poor mon's Strength.
>>739302539Just Google how mirrors worked, simply duplicating the characters and applying effects to on the water duplicate in this case. It's precalculated.
>>739310852but if you use a freecam hack and point the camera up you will see the clouds
>>739302172More soul in one gif than I've seen in some of the people I knew.
>>739310436Well one element of Gen 4 I disliked was the way the player is forced to engage with the story. There are constant cutscenes, your rival is a boring pussy, and you're heavily railroaded in the order in which your explore the world. The HGSS games follow this formula, changing the story from the original GB versions to be more like this. They even added a new pussy friendly rival. There's a clear throughline between disliking, or liking, these games. And Gen 9's world was the exact inverse of this.
>>739302837Scarlet and violet are 60 now, I think? Doesn't stop them from being shit.
>>739311360>can't see the maid's pantiessad
>>739308961Getting awarded HMs should allow any pokemon in your party that can learn it to use it outside of combat. And learn it as a move if you want it in battle specifically.Thus it's still your team doing shit, just without restrictive nature of HM slaves.
>>739310852>These reflections in my virtual entertainment are fakeWhy do they always say this as it it's profound? Are these bots?
Damn, Pokemon looked like THAT?
>>739311863game freak could attempt this today and still fuck it up
>>739311768Because the entire topic is based on the idea that they're real-time reflections, retard.
what does an sp and the games for that matter cost nowadays?
>>739312153A lot more than you probably want to spend.
>>739312153Emeralds are $200+ and AGS-001s $100-150. AGS-101s double that.
>>739312153More than they're worth. Just emulate.http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Main_Pagehttps://vimm.net/vault
>>739312153I'd get a og gba and hardmod a lit screen or something. Trying to play my SP as an adult just gives me hand cramps.
>>739312959If you want to play on official hardware why in the world would you go through all this effort instead of playing on an NDS or N64/Gamecube?
>>739313086because the gba is comfy
>>739313208DS is better until the hinges break
>>739313208>>739313260GBA on my Vita is also comfy.
>>739313260I can't in good conscience buy a console with shut down servers so I'm permanently locked out of all dlc
>>739313386DS/3DS have fan servers for a lot of games(with more to come) & dlc can be easily pirated
>>739313386might as well skip gen 3 since you can't get the boat tickets
>>739313386Hope you don't own a snes....
>>739312084>Be retard>Not know what sarcasm is>Lash out with projectionKek
>>739313386there's a community clone server for mystery gift and battle tower stuff, or you could just inject the gifts into your save file directly
>>739307617That's how it should be.. Pokemon games are great for kids. But the reality is, as video games, they're slow, tedious, and vacant. And present almost no real challenge.As an adult, you should be seeking something with more substance. Enjoy the memories but for the love of God move on.
>>739315292they should make pokemon but for adults..... with murder and rape and all kinds of mean and nasty stuff..... :<
>>739316110They did. Nintendo has been trying to bully them out of business with lawsuits for years now.
>>739316312>Survival craftslop>For adults
>>739316312Why do retarded people pretend a generic early access survival game is anything like Pokemon?
>>739316110megaten is waiting for you son of man
>>739316982ask the twittertards that @Nintendo to make it go away
>>739309259>soft reboot thing of only having new 'mons just feels badalomomola not being a luvdisc evolution is one of the most baffling things
>>739317173cool can you go back to twitter
>>739317223I'm already here though?
>>739308319I dont get it
>>739299784shut the fuck up you stupid nintenyrold
>>739317820https://litter.catbox.moe/4euzmngx61bhmj5b.mp4
>>739308778bait used to be believable
>>739317983Ohhhhhhhhhh
>>739318025moviegame goodreal pokemon bad
>>739318446cope
>>739300312How's this then>3d game>approach mirror>for every mirror, game keeps a large spritesheet of stills at many angles of the mirror room>character also has stills taken of character at many orientations>mirror = billboard room angle + overlaid billbord of character>distortion / smearing applied to cover the limited number of angles (still a lot, just not all possible orientations)>= mirrors in 3d at low cost
>>739316110Not what i was implying but Pokemon IS thematically dryEvery single game has hundreds and hundreds of absolutely soulless NPCs that spew the same 'pokemon are our friends and we love being a team!' shit
>>739304327This artstyle is so shit it nearly killed FE
>>739308778>Any game is under gen 9You just ordered the games randomly in that tier list, don't you?
>>739301387Remember how BDSP kept the maps as being grid based but let you move omni-direction and it had a lot of bugs and fuck ups because of it?
>>739300369>>739300481>>739302172lost tech
>>739300353doesn't even look like a mirror just soulless
Behold, Gen 9 if it was goodaudio version here https://files.catbox.moe/snz48b.mp4
>>739319773Nope. Gen 9 was simply a high quality game.
>>739316110Dragon Quest 5 is right there
>>739320437what about this
>>739321210
>>739321804You NPCs cant do anything except shout bait on repeat huh
>>739321869Yeah, because you can't like Gen 9 if you have any kind of standardSo it has to be bait
>>739321724Name of the game?
>>739322280True. I needed more railroading, voice acting, and yellow paint to be considered good enough for modern gamers.
>post based facts>some contrarian anon replies>some retard replies to him with a shitty tier list>everyone thinks this retard is you
>>739321210yeah, sure
>>739322343i dont know, i saved this years ago, i think i found it on twitter. For what i remember, it was a wip fangame
>>739322418>consoleThis doesn't happen on PC + you've never played it, go back to twitch, streamnigger
>>739322396No, just to not be complete dogshit (I preordered that garbage and got it a day before release, you can point and laugh at me)Voice acting maybe since they want to make the characters move their mouths and emote more when talking; as it is now it just looks fucking retarded
>>739322582on pc it'is a shitty game that doesnt crash, what's your point?
>>739322582>this never happens on PCIt's not a PC game...
>>739322645Why in the world would you ever preorder a game??? Huge red flag for your low IQ and thus lack of ability to see gen 9's brilliance.
>>739322582Remember when at launch people were blaming the glitches on emulation? Just for all of them to also happen on console too?Lol, lmao evenThe best way to play those games isn't even on Switch, crazy (I'd still recommend people to not play it, even for free. You keep your money in both cases, but you won't get your time back)
>>739322748>It's not a PC game...If it's on the Switch, it's on PC too>>739322775Literally the first and only time I preordered a game, never doing that ever again, especially for Pokemon (I didn't buy ZA, excellent decision)
>>739322948Seriously though, why'd you do it? Was there some kind of pre-order bonus? Did you expect it to be sold out?
>>739322792>You keep your money in both cases, but you won't get your time backwhen are they going to release a game so broken you get more time out of it than you put in
>>739302401Unreal
>>739299715>>739300027>>739300369>>739302172>>739302539>>739303998what a crummy game, why isn't there a pokemon creature that shows your reflection instead?
>>739309443That's when they decided to hire an Australian to design some of their pokemon
>>739323318Elite gem
*filters zoomers*
>>739323445unc is bussin on god fr
>>739323445so Pokemon technology is capable of creating realistic androids but they do nothing with it?
>>739312790gotta sell my AGS-101. its a bit scratched but fine otherwise.
>>739323228What I meant is don't waste your time on this garbage game
This is from a DOS game from 1996. 100% fully working mirrors, no shader effects, no fakery. You can smash the mirror and completely break it. Made to run on a minimum 486. You can replace the 2D sprites with 3D models and the mirror still works. Black magic.
>>739299715I'm am a programmer and the craziest part is, that people nowadays literally do not understand how Game Freak did this back in the day.Even with modern techology, we cannnot copy it.
I know most say gens 4 or 5 are when it all went to shit, but personally I believe there was still some good in the series up to gen 7. Gen 8 is when any traces of care or attention were completely gone and it's baffling to me because it was the mainline game's jump to main consoles, something fans had anticipated for a long fucking time, and they shit out games where you cannot even go inside buildings in the overworld, fucking insanity. Pokemon somehow evolved backwards and this includes the gimmicks which ahve become so retarded they had to revert back to megas. Anyone who still buys Pokemon anything in this day and age is not a fan, just a retard who buys for the sake of buying.
>gimmicks which ahve become so retarded they had to revert back to megas. Changing the defensive typing of your guy is more intellectual than HURR DURR MAKE ONE GUY ON YOUR TEAM OVERPOWERED.
>>739326531That engine is dark arts in general. Like the secret circular level that somehow doesn't loop but also does?
>>739308286your imagination fills in the missing details
>>739315204>I was merely pretending
>>739307617I can't enjoy them because random battles to level up feel like a waste of time
>>739308286i feel like most creative endeavors hit a sweet spot in the second or third entry where they're polished and refined but still have the same spirit as the original.
>>739327571nobody says that it went to shit with gen4 or 5.
>>739328797people who grew up with gen 1 did, zoomie
>>739328861nice try, secondary.
>>739308286They tried
>>739299715man I miss being a kid
>>739306676Let me go check out the GYM GYM
>>739327707I agree that some mon had no business getting a mega, but every gimmick can make one or more mon broken as fuck, at the very least megas had the potential of giving shitmon a niche to shine in and a cool new design. Tera is gay and boring.
>>739299715>program "mirror" sprite thats there 24/7 but only shows up on certain texture typesWould this be less system intensive? And is that what they did here?
>>739309259Yeh I don't like BW much either, probably my least favorite 2d game. Try BW2 though, it's a lot better
>>739329240>Would this be less system intensive?yes>And is that what they did here?no. the gba is doing real time ray tracing.
>>739328895feel free to look up the famitsu scores, retard.
>>739326170this android was the creation of a mad scientist that died in the process of understanding the eldritch energy he used to create the bot. And the robot turned out to be even more unhinged. They do have super awesome AI tech since 1996 tho.
>>739310852>Just Google how mirrors workedwtf is this really how it works??
>>739329346>look up famitsu scores>diamond and pearl are routinely ranked as the number 1 games by japs>black and white have a perfect 10/10 score from famitsulol you're a retard
>>739329346>famitsu scores
>>739329459>10/1040 / 40 oops
>>739308778horrific taste
>>739311863>>739312075Game devs don't do this shit because this was made by someone who has passion for their craft. 90% of game devs are miserable cunts and the broader industry is so pozzed everyone is afraid to do anything about it.
>>739299784>the ability to move a png on a threadmill is mindblowing
>>739301387I'm gonna fucking vomit
>>739330045you'll regret making fun of this one day when the average gamedev forgets how to do thatthat day was 5 years ago
>>739309259Its the sequel that's a huge improvement. When people praise 5th gen they usually just mean B2W2. It still has the dialogue issue but not as bad as the later gens. 5th gen is just when they tried to pull off stories in these games and got worst when they went 3D.
>>739327707all gimmicks are shit and not pokemon-esque
they never made again a soulful adventure like gen 3
Are there any Gen 1, 2, and 3, hacks that combine all pokemon into a single game? As in Blue/Red with all 151?
>>739333563Yeah they did.Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire!
>>739333997>dumbed down version with missing content is goodNah
>>739333937Probably yes, but I dont know how they are called
>>739308469boring reply
>Like old game>YOU'RE A GEN ONER>Like new game>YOU'RE A LOBOTOMIZED KIKEWhat's the counterplay here?
>>739336259Ignore both sides and just play what you enjoy.
>>739336259you just stop using social medialife's a lot better when you don't have spergs constantly screeching at you for the most minute things
>>739318958You become a legal adult at 10 years of age and society could break down entirely and you'd still have food and electricity due to Pokémon. It's literally a communist utopia and everyone can just do what they want so most resort to brutal slave fights for entertainment.
>>739337028Do people really get bent out of shape by autistic spergs having schizo fits over nothing on the internet
Thread makes it obvious FRLG were lazy. The overworld was a gameboy relic.It doesn't help they were made before Emerald. So you didn't have something as basic as resetting your EVs with berries.Compoundeyes would have legendary for getting lucky eggs too.
>>739337720>says this on 4chan of all places>famous for people getting bent out of shape by engaging with autistic spergs who have schizo meltdowns over nothingYou tell me.
>>739338049>famous for???Maybe I'm stuck in 2004 but I still only think of this as an anime & manga website.
>>739299715>eyes below mouth in the reflectionFuck your ai slop
>>739338118Oh my sweet summer child...
>>739299715>2014 all my niggas hate ray tracing
>>739300481I know everyone is meming and shitposting, but it genuinly saddens me that creative solutions like these will be lost in the future.I'm not talking specificaly about 2D pixel games but games overall. The artistry in video game design is slowly getting eroded away because people will rely on readily available "solutions" in unreal engine, just some plugin that can be attached to a bus or whatever the fuck they call it and voila, the effect is made. But could have been done in clever ways that would have cost a fraction of the performance.
>>739338890It's ok anon, they can just ask AI for a clever solution to some compound problem
>>739310852Then uhWhy don't they use this anymore ?
>>739306831i think gen 5 is the last one where people who worked on it actually wanted to make a pokemon game
>>739312153just buy one of the chinese retro handhelds like an anbernic rg40xx-v and play it on that
>>739338890what clever way is being shown in that gif
>>739337720being constantly surrounded by negativity does have an influence on you
>>739302604Gen III is the blueprint for modern Pokemon.
>>739329448How they're rendered in games.>>739339435Mirror or reflection effects are not all rays do. Also, to not manually program it all. Also, upgrade, bitch.
>>739310914Speaking of clouds, you ignored how they don't distort yet May does. The clouds just scroll over their tiles. There is no actual sky in there.
playing renegade platinumwhat am I in for?
>>739305367What does the 360 have to do with Pokemon?
>>739339590Gen 5 is when they cared about their designs the least. Only legendaries or some actually useful Pokemon got good designs. Everything else? 'Who cares? They won't use it!'. The designs for those were like 'we got Pokemon at home'.
>>739336259>What's the counterplay here?Double down and insist upon your superiority to farm valuable (You)s.
>>739313351>cant trade with og hardware >cant link with colosseum >cant transfer to home>comfyNah
Insane RTX in this PS1 game.
>>739299715Anyone know how to fix reflections on ROMs?
>>739300272I remember xenoblade 2 having reflections
>>739342303So FRLG on the Switch.
Nice RTX in this PS1 fishing game. AAA developers were on another level back then.
>>739299715How does pokémon emerald manage to implement ray tracing on the GBA while modern hardware struggles to keep a good performance with it?
>>739304656Why couldn't they simply render a copy of the player character inside the ice, like in OP's picture but in 3D?>but performance, and what happens if...Just have the copy fade out if the player moves away from the ice, nobody is going to care if they can't see their reflection from 20 meters away.
>>739342763Hardware manufacturers pay developers to make games bad on purpose in order to sell more advanced computer parts.
>>739342763The error there seems to be not caring to also copy the worn accesories. The copy method is otherwise the same.
Why do I need a $100 supercomputer to play games when my gameboy color can do it just fine?
>>739342515the bridge having a PS1-style seizure ruins it
>>739301387manhattan bros... we got cocky....
>>739343130it's an emulator glitch
>>739333937Those are the most basic kind of hacks that have been around since romhacking started, I remember playing a random Crystal 251 version on my DS flashcart when it was contemporary. You'll probably need to look harder nowadays for one that only does that and doesn't also add a bunch of random "qol" or the phys/special split or fairy type or whatever other additional cruft the creator thinks is necessary.
>>739342515Imagine being so poor you seethe at technology existing.
>>739311592>>>739311360>>can't see the maid's panties>sadThat's because the maid isn't wearing any panties.
>>739301387cursed
>>739342868>The error there seems to be not caring to also copy the worn accesoriesAnon, the "reflection" is not reflected at all, it is facing the exact same direction as the player character.They're literally just copying the character's PNG over the ice and distorting it a little.
Playstation 1 fishing games are lost technology
>>739301387Just how I remember it.
>>739301387reported
>>739302920Are you doing a nuzlocke? I remember Wattson ending a lot of my runs.
>>739306676There's something about Gen 2's artstyle, it feels timeless.
>>739343950calm down unc
>>739308778FGLG are meh. Definitely worse than Emerald.
>>739306676When I see images like this I always think of being on a long car ride home from my friends house back to my house playing this in the car for a bit while my dad was driving. After a while he told me to turn the interior light off but then we pulled up to a 7-11 and got me a slurpy and some beef jerky while I stayed in the car using the light of the 7-11 exterior to catch some kind of night time big Pokémon in silver version. I’m tired can’t write it better than this. rip dad.
>>739309117Voltrob flip is so much better than the slots they kept for the Japanese versions of HGSS.
>>739342479FRLG on switch can trade locally with others and will be compatible with home soon. It only misses colosseum but we knew that since stadium did the same.
>>739308286it had all the cool stuff without being ruined by the phys/spec split.
>>739344101Oh ok then how about having both?
>>739344184locally with others is not og hardware, and home is two weeks™ status.I have complete control over my Vita emulated save and, at the cost of convenience, can do at least the first two things. I have never touched home but surely cheaters have found ways with even never gens.
>>739344301You can't do the first two with the vita though
>>739344357correct. but my save has metaphorical legs.
>>739308849hgss is bad. I remember beating the elite 4 with a vulpix in my team because I couldn't find a fire stone. turns out you had to befriend some guy and wait for a call from him or do some grindy shit for points. fucking terrible game.
>>739344403Thanks for confirming my point, vita can't do those.
>>739344453thanks for confirming my point playing on the vita is still comfyhope you get that home support
this lass is CUTE
>>739344484Glad that you can lie yourself like that but hey if that's your definition of comfy go ahead.
>>739299916superstar ultra redrew all the sprites though
>>739311863https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSB_6fYvhhQ
>>739311863What the fuck happened. Even looking at old blizzard games fucking hell everything had so much talent and soul only 25 years ago. How can humanity change so much in 25 fucking years?
>>739304528this was my first fire emblem game, back when i just knew it as the marth guy from smash bros. not that this was bad but I kinda miss that era of playing just whatever games you had available.
>>739344450i know youre baiting but all pokemon games are piss easy come on now
>>739345213>too autistic to understand what that post is bitching aboutlol
>>739299916I miss 2D Pokèmon…
>>739345274>blaming others for suck ass englishlol
>>739301387Ahh yes Earthbound Emerald, my favorite game
>>739345274so its shit tier all because of an evo stone you had to put effort into
>>739301945Genesis Does!
>>739302949This ending always gets me feeling emotional… The month of May is almost over
>>739301387heresy
>>739303063Sometimes 3D can be charming on the DS if executed properly.
>>739303063Apparently this is some sort of Wizard of Oz game?
>>739300653>produces the exact same effect>on a 16mhz cpu with 96KB vramWhat is your point, exactly, retard?
>>739345691but the CENTURY OF MAY is going strong
>>739344090Damn brutal. My dad randomly got me Pokémon Silver when it came out. It was the first game that was ever just "mine" and I remember playing it in my room from morning until it got dark and I couldn't see the screen om the gameboy color anymore so i figured it was time to go to bed.Rip to your dad anon, mine is still around and will hopefully be for many many years
>>739342381lost technology. we've only gone backwards since
>>739344450Lol, Crystal has the same problem with its fucking retarded RNG phonecallsHonestly all Johto games have dogshit dexes. Gen 2 and HGSS are easily the weakest most boring games before XY and only nostalgia faggots will disagree
>>739345691when are pokemon games adding pokegirlfriends that follow you around? its 2026 ffs
>>739299715>>739300027>>739300369too much water
>>739328030>>739312084Kek, what an absolute fucking loser.Yes, I'm sure OP genuinely and unironically believed the case he posted was raytracing. You really set him straight, you smart little guy! Go ask your mommy for a gold star.
>>739345561either accept the valid criticism of the game or admit you suck gamefreaks cock no matter what
>>739346823>doubling down
>>739311863Where is this from?
>>739344450>smug dawn image>retarded bait postbe honest anon, you really really really want someone to pin you down and violently rape you, don't you?
>>739346832hey man i havent bought a pokemon game since sword shield if thats what makes you consider it worse than the other games i cant change that
>>739299715>>739299780>>739299784It's not a reflection you retards. They're holes on the ground from which you can see the Australian's sky through. And an Australian who coincidentally wears the same clothes as you and copies your moves because Australians are assholes.
>>739347013/thread
>>739346978>randomly bringing up rape out of no wherehow to say you have brown skin without saying you have brown skin
>>739318758how about that instead: game studio hires actors placed in a room identical to the one you're playing at where there's a mirror, a camera records them and send the feed to the texture placed on the mirror in the game. The actors are paid to copy your moves and shit. Also if you change clothes at a save point they must quickly change theirs too. And if you go offline the mirror explodes.
>>739343902No, just limiting what I can catch. Played Ruby in early 2000s, and now Emerald
>>739344450she wouldn't say this
>>739300481No, that is 4 sprites tied to a variable. Every flower is given a variable called "wind" from 0 to 63 (1 to 64 for retards). A global wind variable counts up from 0 to 63, then resets and does it again. When the global wind variable matches the wind variable on a flower, the flower changes from alternating between sprites 1 and 2 to instead 3, then 4, holding 4, then 3, then repeating the 1-2 cycle until it's wind variable is called again.
>>739342429Because Xenoblade isn't made by modern GF>>739342697They cared at that time, they realized with XY they could sell incomplete shit and peole would buy it anyway
>>739342697a ray is just a line... even a child can trace a ray
>>739351967Absolute retard.
>>739346884It's just a reimagination of Goldenrod City made by an artist. It was made for this projecthttps://retroredrawn.com/johtoThere are also Kanto and other games if you change the map
>>739352878A ray isn't a line. A line extends into infinity in 2 directions. A ray has a starting point.Didn't you take math, or are you one of those metric users who feels like it's pointless?
>>739300272>switch>powerful console
>>739311863Easy to make this today but not when you only have a 2mb cart
>>739302949why he is so pissed
>>739301387SAVE ME!!!
Another example of raytracing on gba
>>739352995why you always line to me
>>739345794Looks nice
>>739339590Masuda was a control freak and perfectionist, they didn't let him lead the production any other games after the 3DS and it shows.
>>739353337this area felt like them checking off "ice/sliding puzzle"never got a full snow area commit until gen 4
>>739353363I'm not lion.
>>739342381How did they do it? I assume vertex lighting a low poly overlay?
>>739353583For Hoenn is actually a good choice since it's a tropical island
>>739351967stfu nerd
>>739353583>>739354390Better than the mandatory snow area that merges like shit with the environment of the map. Gen 4 was based on the coldest japanese island so it's ok, and gen 5 was clever with seasons so it felt natural, but since XY there amwere always the same mandatory spots to fill the map
>>739299715>>739300027>>739300369>>739300481>>739301387>>739302172>>739302539why are those trees so small?they're barely taller than the character
>>739354930????So that they wouldn't block so much walkable area behind them. Are you baiting or just that dumb?
>>739299916True, I like both DS fire emblem games but I don't understand why they used those ugly 3d models
>>739309259Unironically your own fault for starting with BW1, even unovafags admit that's better to start with BW2 and only THEN go hack to BW1
I can't believe there are people ITT who play GBA and older games WITHOUT DLSS...
>>739355396What the fuck
>>739355396kek
>>739355396finally, nintendo gives rse the remake it deserves: link's awakening style
>>739301387What the FUCK
>>739355396even though its HIRE THIS MAN slop it actually looks better than game freaks output.
>>739355396>how much soulless do you want your remake?>yes
>>739355396NINTENDO
>>739355396>>739356508what about this
>>739356508 looks fine but I hate realistic lighting and shadows in games
>>739338890The kind of bullshit modern games are doing just to have competent visuals like games from 20 years ago is sad. The massive performance requirements and giant filesizes are all that comes out of it, and the result is jack shit.
>>739299784brah there were full on 3D games on the GBA, the pokemon games are bottom of the barrel from what you could get out of that machine
i want to go back...
>>739357165It's not a modern slop live service game. Nobody is preventing you from going back.
>>739299916Squeak Squad reused the GBA Sprites. Super Star was new sprites based on the SNES ones
>>739345794>>739345842this looks fine but chibislop always looks like shit
>>739302837gen 1 and 2 run at 60fps with pointless frame delays in the overworld that can be modded away to make that run at 60fps instead of 30. The gb runs at just under 60fps in general.
>>739303063thats why the ds era was so strange. It was either the worst 3d youve ever seen or insanely detailed sprite art. Why the fuck would they choose 3d (yeah i know, because muh 3d graphics on a handheld impressed normies)
>>739299780They are in Hoenn
>>739301387I just threw up in my mouth
>>739301387Would probably look okay if the proportions matched the vanilla sprites at all.
>>739357527Or even worse, both together.
>>739357165feel free to pull up the emulator literally any time you want you moping sadsack.
>>739356709Definitely better than what they're doingStill, I love sprites over low poly backgrounds more
>>739301387This is illegal you know
I'm surprised this thread didn't start light posting.
>>739351967>actually insightful post only gets insults as answersThis is why this board is so shit.Thanks for explaining anon. I actually think that solution is very clever
Since this is the classic Pokemon thread. I kinda want to do a single-mon run in Crystal Clear or ROWE, sort of roleplaying a couple on an adventure of their own making.I can't think of a starter, so help me choose my wife.
>>739360118if it's your wife, you should follow your heart
>>739360118You're pretty limited when it comes to starters in both games so there aren't that many options. Maybe 20-30 it total right? Just pick whichever one has the best matchup against the final bosses while also having a high speed stat.
>>739300481god-tier windtracing
>>739360118One that'll reciprocate.
>remake deprived us of gilf sex in hot springs
>>739360251>>739360369The two kinds of trainers.
>>739308778this is cancer
Brendan's sprite had the most soul.Iconic
>>739300272>not normal testing your SSRswtf
>>739307617just play romhacks or fangames, there's plenty out there. or if you want to get your own creative juices flowing try making one yourself. i've been having a couple projects i've been slowly pecking away at but one is more of a polishing of an old hack then something made from a base emerald file.
>>739301387science has gone too far
>>739330045I've tried to program before and yes it is. Getting anything to work on your own is hard.
>>739359652>actually insightful post only gets insults as answersYou fell for it, mongoloid. Here's a gif of that same location with all sprites disabled in the emulator. The flowers are still there because they're not even sprites. "Global wind variable"? You ape. You buffoon. You absolute cretin
>>739361001The Switch era of Pokemon games was just the kind of encouragement I needed to finally start my own project.
>>739312084they are though
>>739356508HIRE THIS MAN
>>739301387we used to beat people like you on the streets.
>>739321203Gen 9 is truly unsalvageable if no one cares about even of a 2D remake
>>739300353not every game can duplicate the room on other side
>>739363412We already have a "gen 9 but good" and it's called ROWE.
>>739363826You were shilling this mod yesterday too.Why?
>>739323318why would you need a crummy pokemon creature when the game needs a pail to collect all that water?
>>739363881Huh?
>>739300027Blew my fucking mind as a kid
>>739363826>most recent update:>Removed all the Cries in the game to make space for more thingsuh
>>739299715>>739300369>>739302172>>739302539>>739303998>>739333563>you can hear distant cries of pokemon species you can find in the place you areGen 3 was truly the best
>>739359652no this board is shit because you and that other autist don't understand an obvious joke
>>739364489heh... I guess the global wind variable isn't blowing your way
>>739364123Huh?What?Huh????
>>739364598WHA- !?
>>739364837
>>739363826>Open worldEw.
that rowe game looks alright but I like a game with actual design over open world.
>>739362401something like this with a claymation spin would, in a good and just world, make a kino pokemon game
>>739365086The issue with pokemon games is that the gatekeeping at certain points feels so artificial. I'd be far less against the linearity of Pokemon if it felt less, I don't know, obvious? Like the thing you need to get between towns is the reward from the gym, and no one is doing anything about it?It's lucky that the reward isn't swim in a town when there's a tree blocking the way.
Cursed as fuck.
>>739365250Do you feel the same way about blocks in Mario?
>>739341659how did you not see that you were getting ragebaited, is everyone on this website a newfag or something
>>739365308>>739301387
>>739365319No because it's just a block floating there. It doesn't even try to paint it as a world that is lived in, which Pokemon, by virtue of it being a world people live in, is.
>>739365523So how do you feel about blocks, in a Mario RPG?
>>739365586Mario and Pokemon are different things.How do you feel about Doom not giving coins for jumping on a demon?
>>739365785>Dodges the questionDon't do it again, very rude.How do you feel about blocks in Mario RPG's? Don't mention Pokémon in your answer.
>>739365086>a game designed to feel like an actual pokemon adventure is badwe already had this discussion a day or two ago, rowe is the better approach to a pokemon game and the only flaw is the fact that there isn't an overarching "le stop the bad guys" story to it.>>739365250correct. linearity is artificial and feels worse for a pokemon game.
>>739366290They're fine because they're already an established part of the world.
>>739366473So why do you have a problem with having to cut things in Pokemon?
>>739357441I booted up the platinum switch remake on an emulator and holy fuck do the models look retarded
>>739366594There isn't a platinum remake.
>>739366667Pedantic but correct. My point about it looking like absolute shit still stands.
>>739365250If anything they could make it more obvious. Have guards do their job and stop you because there's more dangerous Pokemon ahead, not because they're fucking thirsty or dancing or whatever.>Only one badge? Geez, kid, we can't have you getting killed out there. Go train over that way
>>739366772>being correct is "pendantic"Ok...
>>739366516Nta but the way it works in PKMN games is plain bad.>a tree is blocking your path>to progress you have to beat this specific gym and get "cut">then you have to teach cut to a PKMN>btw the trees fucking respawn>so you need to waste space in your team and space in the PKMN move set just to traverse the world with cut, surf, etc.>all this just so you cannot arbitrarily pick and choose in which order you want to beat the gymsIt's fine to admit that a lot of older games suffer from bad design decisions, anon. There is a reason why every generation of PKMN games has quality of life mods.
>>739366834Yup. Sure is. You may notice that being correct also doesn't make you friends, this is because facilitating communication is more important than a feeling of self-satisfaction. You wanna talk about how shit the chibi models are in that those games or desperately poke me for more attention?
>>739366923>NtaThen I'm not really interested in your opinions. I wanted to know what he thought. Sorry to waste your time.
>>739366786Exactly. >>739366403"Time to go on your pokemon adventure (but only within these very specific parameters)"Being so railroaded (and for such bullshit reasons) is against the spirit of the game. It turns an adventure into a theme park ride, completely on rails.Of course, things like JRPGs are on rails (what a coincidence that the rock slide is cleared the second you beat the boss) but at least it makes sense in universe.It's a fucking bush!! Why is "cut" anti bush but "scratch" not?
>>739366951You sound like you have a lot of friends and sex.
>>739367041Sure do. Would you like some more advice on how to achieve this as well?
"You're thrown into a world to have an adventure, with an end goal should you aim for it" is a gameplay loop that has been solved since 1985.You're telling me that we can do this on an Apple 2 but not now? Fuck off.
>>739367121Post a cake recipie grok
>>739345589Played this game as a kid before knowing about MJ and it was fun as fuck. Made me appreciate him and his music even more while growing up.
>>739366923>you need to waste space (...) just to traverse the worldnever thought of pokemon's metroidvania aspects
>>739347013Heh, gottem
>>739366516Because it's completely arbitrary. It's not a gameplay loop, it's not worldbuilding, it's nothing but "stop. go and do that" in the most blunt, stupid, and annoying, way possible.No one would support breaking blocks in mario if you had to pick between that and having a fire flower (and you have to maintain that choice for the whole game.)
>>739299715Jensenbros...
>raytracing invented reflections>before raytracing there were no reflections in games and no game has ever released with reflectionsMeanwhile, 0 games released in 2026 have reflections
>>739367003>I wanted to know what he thought.It doesn't even matter what he thinks, he is correct in his assessment of the games even if his reasoning ends up being retarded or he doesn't know how to convey his feelings.
>>739356709What's this from?
>>739308778>s/v>good
>>739367169Sure can do!First, learn English. This will be important for understanding further instructions.Next since you're a child you may need a parents supervision to operate kitchen equipment so steal a pack of menthols or whatever your cultural equivalent is to lure them back. I'm afraid you're out of credits could you please send a google play card filled with at least 500 rupees to continue this conversation?
>>739367169Sorry -- i have no data for "recipie".Please learn to spell and try again.
>>739367337Thanks for confirming you're a bot.:^)
>>739299784>play a basic animation within the box of a "pond">retard's mind is blownkek
>>739310571This, but also all disks should only be useable at the pc
>>739300653TECHNOLOGY ISN'T AMAZING ALL THESE YEARS HAVE BEEN A LIE.
>>739299715zoomers will never feel what we felt when we picked this up as kids
>>739301387It's like seeing someone move diagonal in ss13, it's so fucked.
>>739367391No problem! You're right to call me out on that. I went ahead and used English to explain when I should be using monkey noises and various grunts to communicate in a style you're used to. You seem to be using some kind of retard-meme phrasebook instead of coming up with anything funny or clever. Would you like help expanding the 10 phrases you already know?
>>739310697>lowers defenseI mean...
>>739304656>it's not more powerful hardware is getting worse, it can't do the things it could do 25 years agoHardware is improving, but programming skills are devolving at a much quicker pace.
>>739310571The one thing gen 8 got right is making the good moves single-use, but letting you get more of them. That fixes the problem with both limited and infinite TMs.
>>739367260It's not much more arbitrary than any other roadblock. You use your own team to get past obstacles.>whole gameMost games only make you use an HM once or twice for mandatory progression, and everything else is simply for optional areas. It's only gen 1 that really goes overboard with making you use Cut to access 2 gyms.
>>739367554Thanks for confirming you're a spam bot, twice.:^)
>>739308379I understand why it gets shit on, but this has been one of my favourite pokemon games I've ever played just because of its sheer size and the battle mechanics.
>>739368121Sure! I'm happy to give you the attention you so sorely crave!Would you like me to help you learn more comebacks now? Or I can help you with being funny and interesting. The choice is yours, I'm here when you need me.
>>739356709Reminds me of Yokai Watch. The 3DS games were great at giving you that feeling of being a kid adventuring through the city and forest, they even made me quit Pokemon for a couple of years I'm a Pokefag so that says a lot. We never got the Switch game right?
>>739366923The dumb thing is they had to try so hard to come up with ways to keep players from softlocking or sequence breaking, like making moves impossible to overwrite and Pokemon impossible to trade or release and requiring badges to use but ONLY outside of battle. But the answer is so simple.Just make it a Trainer Technique. Don't teach your fish to swim or or your bird to fly, learn how to do it efficiently with them. It shows your growth as a trainer and doesn't need inventory/movelist management or some fucking summoning app.Then put the skills in reasonable places. "I need to learn to swim, maybe I should hit the city with the world renowned giant pool. I need to cut trees and here's a log cabin lumber town." Bam, there's your hook. Go there and fight Teams and Rivals and have an adventure
>>739368225Again.
>>739299715bers only club
>>739356709That's actually pretty good
>>739337687But apparently it's the pokemon themselves who want to fight
>>739368371Sure! I can give you uppies as many times as you want! Have you considered being funny or clever yet? I'm ready to help just say the word.
>>739368439Again, bot.
>>739368503Sure! I can give you uppies as many times as you want! Have you considered being funny or clever yet? I'm ready to help just say the word.
>>739368503>seething this hard over nothing
>>739368538Again.
>>739367845>You use your own team to get past obstacles.But the point of Pocket Monsters is for your obstacles to be other trainers and gym leaders and more powerful wild mons. A rock standing in your way and requiring a mon that can SMASH it is a pointless addition to the progression system and degrades the gameplay a lot.Imagine making a racing game, but then making it so that in order to progress to new tracks your driver needs to go to the gym so that he can lift metal doors or jump over cliffs to access tracks. Or making it so that you need to find a scuba gear somewhere so that you can access an underwater track. It's pure retardation.
>>739368276I played the original game for a few hours but it was really missing that adventure-feeling
>>739368946Imagine making a platformer where you had to find and unlock the ability to make your way through smaller gaps.
>>739302604Gen 3 could be good, but they sucked the soul of nighttime away.
>>739368572Can you two fucking shut up? If you want to spam for (You)s go to /b/
>>739307837https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu0V9t8XgmYkek
>>739300646Falseflagging at this hour, Dean?
>>739368963I did play it once the first time and it didn't really catch my attention. It wasn't until I gave it a second chance months later that it really clicked for me. Then later played 2 Pyschic Specters and even though it made 1 almost obsolete by rewriting the story, it was just so much better at everything I fall in love with it, my favorite game alongside Blasters.
>>739369040You do realize it's not the same thing?
>>739370319It's really not. You find items and Pokemon that are able to pass obstacles you can't on your own.
>>739370592Pokemon is not a platformer.
>>739370717It's not a racing game, either. What's your point?
>>739336259Not looking up for external validation
>>739370762Your example is retarded. My racing game example is much closer to conveying what official Pokemon games feel like. A racing game being injected with shoddy platforming and collectathon parts is just as bad as a creature battler and collection game being injected with shoddy locked-down JRPG progression parts. Official Pokemon games are basically like Crash Tag Team Racing, when they could have been CTR, Mario Kart 8 or Karters 2.Pokemon is supposed to be (read: "better off as") a free roam adventure game where the challenge is battling Pokemon and the goal is to collect them all and win all badges. Arbitrarily locking progression behind moveset gimmicks which don't have anything to do with the primary gameplay mechanics makes no sense. You can just use the level system and have more powerful mons and mandatory encounters appear in areas you want "locked". That would have been a more natural fit for a Pokemon game.>What's your point?What's yours? I've yet to see any argument against me or any of the anons here who prefer the open world version of the game.
>>739301387This is a fucking blue board you freak
>>739308778>Frlg >God>ACTUALLY defending scarlet violet Kill yourself goyslopper
>>739371995Exploration is a large part of Pokemon, navigating spaces and sometimes solving puzzles. Field moves fit perfectly into that as a way to gate progression in a natural way and to encourage the player to go out and find different Pokemon to do different things.
>>739368332>Then put the skills in reasonable places. "I need to learn to swim, maybe I should hit the city with the world renowned giant pool. I need to cut trees and here's a log cabin lumber town."Exactly how I'd do it. Ultima 4, only it's these trainer skills instead of virtues.(I've never played Ultima 4 and only know about it by reputation)
>>739371995Or if things are tied to moves make the moves more general. Like a pokemon that learns how to Cut or Swim learns this in a non-battle capacity but the teaching of the skill results in an increased stat boost related to that out of battle skill.>teach swim>mon gets extra dex and strengthOr whatever.
>>739372580But that's not what happens because "navigating spaces and sometimes solving puzzles" isn't what those moves are. It's just a roadblock that makes every game essentially the same.To go to another franchise, it's like making a totally linear Metroid game. Even JRPGs allow for some freedom between roadblocks, and not just the ride hitting the brakes.
>>739355242>play the better one first so you can hate the worse one moreNo thanks, I already did that by playing SS before Platinum. The QoL that was in SS, but not platinum was a bit jarring. Ironic considering the C-gear crap gets in the way making things worse than the game before it.
>>739368332That's too straightforward and honest, not very Japanese of you. That said, they do use that system in Lets Go Pikachu.
>>739306676Gen 1, 2 and 3 is the only real Pokémon. Never played anything since. Gen 2 was fucking amazing beyond belief.
>>739302604I'll be honest, I always thought the too many legendaries complaints for gen 4 was always lame. Sinnoh still feels like the largest single region in the series and this is part of it. It always felt like there were secrets tucked away everywhere. I know every region did that, especially 3, but 4 always felt like it hit the gas just a bit harder, and I never knew what I'd come across if I decided to fuck around and explore that one pathway I passed the first time around. I still remember finding out I could explore the grass under cycling road and found the cave that had Gible. I still remember finding Giratina blind. I mean maybe it was just because I was 13 but the game felt fucking endless, and next thing you know woah a dungeon with some bizarre legendary. That was the whole gimmick, a region with DEEPEST LORE so you had all these supposed deities sitting around on their ass. I was about that shit I guess.Still feels like I'll discover something or someplace new when I go to play it again.
>>739303063I think the lowpoly looks of the DS Final Fantasies/other such RPGs are super charming, but I may be in the minority here.
>>739373678Pokemon used to offer a lot of freedom, even with field moves in play. You had plenty of different things to explore, especially at the point in each game where you're given Surf and suddenly open up a dozen optional areas in early routes.Pokemon being linear is a problem of the developers. Kanto and Johto are WAY more open than Galar and Alola. Even their foray into open world games with SV & ZA are demonstrably terrible.Do you really just want dancing clowns in every game? Or do you want the completely open nothing that is Paldea in every game?
>>739375237The ideal would be something closer to Dark Souls, open in that it is interconnected from the start rather than open as in empty expanses.
>>739374654One of my issues caused by the legendary bloat of gen 4 is how many of them were locked behind events that are no longer normally accessible. The post game in particular suffers from having these weird empty rooms or objects that you can't do anything with unless you have an old ass event item you can no longer obtain
>>739372580>Exploration is a large part of Pokemon, navigating spaces and sometimes solving puzzles. Field moves fit perfectly into that as a way to gate progression in a natural way and to encourage the player to go out and find different Pokemon to do different things.And how is this different from ROWE? In ROWE you still need to unlock specific pokemon, specific moves or specific items to get to some parts of the game in order to catch more pokemon, especially legendaries. You still need to have the surf HM in order to surf, you still need a fishing rod to get some pokemon, you still need to beat all gyms to challenge the elite 4 and the champion, etc. etc. The only "open world" part of it is the fact that you can pick and choose your starting town and you're not blocked from traveling to any town you want and beating gyms in any order you want. It's not like you can instantly participate in any content you want. Even when it comes to gym battles you still need to catch specific pokemon and farm levels to gain an advantage.Open world does not mean "everything is unlocked and you have infinite master balls and there is no challenge at all since you're a God". Judging from this thread some people believe that to be the case, but that would not even be a game at that point and nobody would play it. As some people in last thread pointed out, ROWE is more like a free roam game than a fully open world game. It's similar to what I imagine dark souls or world of warcraft would be (never played those, just heard people talk about them) where you can go almost anywhere but you need to be well prepared for some areas, while some areas (especially those with optional content) are locked behind progression systems.
