The only way to save star fox is to completely ground the series.
>>739328402Nah, they should just add more routes is all.
They should make it into a rougelite.
>>739328690>MAKE 64 AGAIN!
>>739328965With more routes
>>739328402are there any other rail shooters like starfox that released in the last 10 years?
>>739328402it's not as dated as platformers
>>739328402Here’s a wild idea. How about making a rail shooter that ISN’T a 64 remake again
>>739328402Genres can't be outdated. Only in or not in.
>>739328402Pic related halted whatever momentum the series had left. If assault was actually good we wouldn't have had a decade long drought for home console star fox games and fox would have been allowed to walk on foot again.
>>739332826Assault was good, though. It had the unfortunate fate of being released near the end of the GameCube’s lifespan, barely promoted by Nintendo, and completely ignored by all the dudebro game journos who wanted Halo and CoD instead. Everything worked against it, and then we didn’t even get a Wii game.
>multiplayerIf I wanted better sandbox weapons I'd play Halo 2If I wanted smoother vehicles I'd play Halo 2
>>739333283No it the foot controls were weird and was 80% of the game.I expect the game that was all about being in a jet for the majority of the series to be about jet combat. And the 4 Arwing levels are nice, but that game has them control like 10% worse. So I'm just sitting there playing a game that could've been good, but fucked it up.
>>739328402Star Fox is outdated
>>739328402Nah, it should have ground sections but you can balance both. Kid Icarus Uprising was the perfect format for a Star Fox game, just needs some branching paths.
>>739332826Assault suffered from Adventures preceding it. Assault would have been much better received if it was 64s direct sequel before all the goodwill was evaporated.
>>739332826Arguably Adventures did more harm. People didn't even buy Assault because they were burned by Adventures. Also as other anon said, it was hurt by being released at the end of the Gamecube's life, which was already a struggling console, and was a multiplayer focused game with no online functionality. If it released on the Wii and had online play, it likely would have gone over a lot differently.
>>739334562RS4 was going to go into EU. It would have made Jacen Solo BS bearable.
>>739334226>I expect the game that was all about being in a jet for the majority of the series to be about jet combat. so you blame Assault for killing the series, and not Adventures, which came first and was even more of a departure from jet combat?
>>739335006That one had had the excuse for being some kinda spin-off and the first try. It was still bad, but you would think the game that was trying to be a mainline entry after it would learn why that was a bad idea.
>>739329106nobody wants that retard
>Using assault as an example of moving the series forward when any and all of its ideas were better done in a cancelled game: Star Fox 2Star Fox 2 had better on-ground sections because the objectives were not padded shit, the game was made with speed blitzing it in mind because if you linger too much on a single planet, that's asking for corneria's defenses to get fucked compared to being a linear boring game. Really the only prop assault can get for moving the series forward is weapon variety, but that can get shot down by limiting it to on-foot characters when the arwing could very well use that same weaponry if it wanted to.SF2 is the game everyone talks about as far as "nintendo should revive star fox like this!" type of stupid comments go, but then those same folk out themselves as larpers who haven't touched star fox beyond watching it on youtube.
>>739335578Cycling through weapons only work on a hotkey keyboard. It's a mess in a game like Assault.
>>739328965Yes. I want 64 again just not the literal same game again. Use 64's bones and structure to make a new original game like a proper sequel always should have.
>>739328783>rouge
>>739335691In an ideal world, shit would be like Metal Slug where you get a cool temporary weapon, but still, as far as so called "innovations" assault made to move the series forward, they were already tried on Star Fox 2. No amount of "But the walker is not the same as playing as the guys!" copium is changing that SF already attempted to be a third person shooter long before.And hell, i would argue to the death that at least SF2 does not ask the player to rebind their keys, what you get from a dinky SNES controller somehow had better intuitive design than whatever the fuck they were smoking with assault, and that's a controller with two twin sticks in an era after quake was ported to consoles, nevermind that max payne came out 4 years before SFAssault too.
>>739335691It's almost like Halo fixed this.
>>739334810>>739334901Adventures was fairly well received back then. If anything assault should have even more hype being the game that was promised to be "back to form". If assault came out after 64 I'd be received even worse since I'd just be deemed a worse star fox 64 and multiplayer still worse than its contemporaries on other systems. At least adventures can be forgiven for not even being a star fox game initially and thus isn't even trying to make people think it's comparable to 64. Presentation wise adventures looks and sounds way better than assault so adventures coming out before adventures would have benefited it in that aspect.
>>739328402maybe they should make an ace combat game with starfurries
>>739336946Ace combat is boring imo and not a good match for starfox.
>>739328402Or we could remake the original game for the 5th time, did you consider that?
Just add Fox to Fortnite. It's what the kids want
>old game bad>you must only consooooom new gameShalom.
>>739328402star fox could work as metroid prime 2.0. leave samus the 2D while fox handles 3D. how about that?I'll even take a metroid-esque 2D game after the trash that was metroid prime 4
>>739328402starfox extraction shooter is what we need
>>739328402They need to make it harder and remove the barrel roll so dodging incoming fire actually matters. And remove all range mode
>>739338086>make it harderhow to turn off 90% of your potential audience in 1 easy step
>>739338014This looks like a porn game, it's a porn game, isn't it?
>>739338164I'm not a fucking shareholder I'm a player
>>739336650the real issue with Assault was just bad timing. the Gamecube was dead, and it was a multiplayer heavy game with no online at a time when online shooters were becoming mainstream. it's a flawed game but it's not *that* bad. not enough people even played it to say it killed the series because of its faults as a game. if they delayed it for a year or two to add some polish and release it on the Wii with online multiplayer it would have done fine.
>>739338169it isn't necessarily a porn game
>>739328402>bro! you need to change for the sake of changeNo. Rail shooters are perfect as they are... and there are not enough of them.
>>739338014If anything, Star Fox should go 2D and be an honest to god shmup.If people want variety, there's always using Axelay and Thunder Force 2 as a baseline for how to take the features seen in star fox and pancake them into 2D.Want all-range mode? Top down shooterWant basic space levels with cool setpieces? Look at any damn PS1-PS2 era shmup that got 3d in it for setpiecesWant some spice? 2D levels but they double as metal slug/contra-like gameplayWant Landmaster? Same shmup gameplay but you also account for the ground-level stuff, you can't drive in lava pits after all.Hell, star fox in 2d would allow for a much, much easier time implementing co-op to the point 4 players co-op with each player controlling a member of star fox is feasible.
>>739328783>>739335917a rougelite is any game that features animal women with huge tits, irrespective of if they're actually bats. As opposed to a rougelike in which they have to be bats. duh
