All of it was for nothingWhat a shit game
>>739329124Hmm I wonder what is OP's phenotype...
>chose the objectively wrong endingNot my problem.
>>739329124>Versos ending tells you to go touch grassI took a look at my life, and I realized I was Maelle, and I hated myself for it
What do you usually allocate your points for? Im mostly going for damage and hp. Does everything else matter much in this game?
>>739329697crits in act 1, speed in act 2
>>739329697cheater
>>739329697I put 20 in everything, then just focused on whatever two stats scaled with my favorite weapon. Then might once those were maxed.
>>739329124the game doesn't look like shit. I'll give it that
>>739329124We are expecting nothing new at the geoff show right?Maybe a teaser at the next game awards in 7 months
>>739329124Why would anyone pick Maelle's ending and think yeah this is the better choice? Now Verso is a slave and she will eventually die in a delusional world.
Maelle ending:>become a NEET playing videogames while slowly rotting away and lose yourself in fantasy while ignoring realityVerso ending:>touch grass and face reality
>>739330134I wonder in which one maelle is happier
>>739330083Oh nooooo the little liar is a slave? Whelp, better genocide all of lumiere so we don't hurt his feefees
>>739329198>"Verso poetically saving his sister's life again, and forcing his family to move on is bad!"Reminder Alicia's ending has zero redeemable qualities.
>>739329124midwit take
>>739330350>a life of illusions in a broken world that she refuses to fix>her real life where she can fall in love with a real man, have real children and help her family not get killed in the real worldAnd if she dies in the real world while in the painting, she fucking dies.If she dies in the painting, she respawns or gets kicked out, then go back in.>>739330397I mean, we genocide nevrons who have a whole side quest about becoming sentient, having personalities.We kill Gestrals who are shown to lose a bit of "themselves" once they are resurrected, with Noco being unable to remember the expedition 33 at all after he gets revived.But that doesn't matter?
Play the piano
>>739329124It's just a fantasy world, bro. Let go and touch grass.
>PLEASE VERSO I'LL SUCK YOUR DICKwtf was that
>>739330616>We kill GestralsWhat? When do you outright kill Gestals? That never happens. And what would be your point anyway? "You killed people in self defense so lumiere should be genocided"?
>>739330616>But that doesn't matter?That's right, it matters as much as the passionate lore background of your average autistic sonic fan OCIt's just escapism from reality bro, let it go
>>739330397this but unironically
>>739330397>Whelp, better genocide all of lumiereYes, they're fictional beings, no more real than an NPC in a video game, albeit more complex. The painters are their gods and are free to do with them as they please. God decides when this existence started and when it shall end.
>>739331013>Yes, they're fictional beings,Well so is verso so his opinion doesn't matter so it's up to maelle so the painting is staying.
>>739330397Painted Verso =/= the soul of Verso. Regardless, Maelle tortures them both to briefly sustain her illusion of happiness as she dies anyway, rendering her borther's sacrifice meaningless.If she truly cared about the canvas and its people's well-being, she would leave and agree never to come back, but no, Maelle's no better than Aline during her ending: a selfish kid with a god-complex who prioritizes herself over everything else. Realistically, Alicia's still the weakest painter in the family, and only getting weaker. Nothing is stopping Clea from popping her head in and Thanos snapping everyone out of existence in like, 10 seconds if Renoir asked her to. It doesn't take a genius to realize her ending's kind of a dead end; the compromise is easy.
>>739330083>PLEASE MAELLE LET ME DIE ILL EAT YOUR PUSSY. WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? ILL EAT YOUR SHIT
>>739330616>I mean, we genocide nevrons who have a whole side quest about becoming sentient, having personalitiesThey don't, every painted character is just a creation, an attempt to replicate the complexity of life through the vision of one artistIt's no different than you creating an OC and giving it deep lore or personality traits
>>739331067>got outplayed by a better painters' creationcringe desu, writing nerd needs to put more reps into painting
>>739331154>>739330881>>739330839Precisely my point, nitwits.The Lumierians are worth SHIT, same as Gestrals and Nevrons.They're all painted little creatures.
>>739329995Its literally smeary UE slop that makes use of both Lumen and Nanite. It looks like shit and their character artstyle looks fucked up too. I have no clue how people think any of this looks good.
Maelletroons are mentally ill
>>739331216So are you, really But you don't even get the be a cool character in a videogame, just a faggot irl
>>739331163>got outplayed by a better painters' creationNot in the ending I got :)
>>739329124Life keeps forcing cruel choices
>>739331083This is what pisses me off about Maelle. Verso sacrifices his life and dies in a fire to save his sister when the fire was her fault in the first place, and instead of doing anything with the life she was given by her brother, she decides to go and hide away in his childhood canvas and hold the last piece of his soul hostage while slowly killing herself as repayment for him saving her life
>>739331083>rendering her borther's sacrifice meaningless.Retarded take. Maelle had years in the painting where she is gonna be happy. Just because it wasn't in the real world doesn't mean it was worthless.> she would leave and agree never to come back,And renoir would destroy it the second she gets out, just like he does when verso kicks maelle out despite her and renoir having an agreement.
>>739331413Why are you blaming Malle for this? She goes in in the first place to stop her parents from fighting. And after leaving a full life inside the painting roughly as long as what she lived outside, then she doesn't want to leave which makes perfect sense. You want to blame someone, blame the mother who went in in the first place
>>739331512>just like he does when verso kicks maelle outHe doesn't need to, it self destroys.
>>739329124sex with lune
>>739331721she's underage
Are they going to make any more of this game?
>>739331659>trannies always blaming everyone else Typical
Maelle's ending is doomed anyway, btw.She fought her parents when they were SIX SEVEEEEN years exhausted in a stalemate and almost powerless.Once they recover, they'll just kick her ass out, as they'll be full power.Or Clea will just BTFO her once she's done raping the Writers.
>>739331786I accept your concession
>>739329697all on agi until 99 then rest on atk
>>739331512>Retarded take. Maelle had years in the painting where she is gonna be happy. Just because it wasn't in the real world doesn't mean it was worthless.She's not happy though, she's just escaping and playing make believe.>And renoir would destroy it the second she gets out, just like he does when verso kicks maelle out despite her and renoir having an agreement.As he should, both Alicia and Aline have proven they are addicted to that world and will keep escaping into it, even if it costs them their lives. Renoir can't stand by idly as two of the most precious people left in his life are rushing to follow one person he's already lost. Would you let your parents and siblings die from a drug overdose because they're trying to drown out the pain of losing another family member?
>>739331792>Clea will just BTFO her once she's done raping the Writers.Lmfao she became the writer's plaything offscreen
I feel like Clea should have been a bit more concerned when Alicia was about to be reborn in the canvas world. She’s literally about to live a whole ass life in the canvas unknowing of her real life self. That’s liable to basically destroy her mentally in every scenario. Like imagine you live an entire life in a coma and then suddenly you wake up and realize it was all fake
>>739331659Alicia, as a 20+ year old (which she was "IRL"), spent 16 canvas years inside the canvas.Clea and Verso built the canvas together their entire childhood and early adolescence. If a few IRL hours, or even a day, is 16 years, then Clea and Verso spent around 70000 years in the canvas.Alicia has no saying in what happens to it.
>>739332025Yeah, imagine loving someone for 20 years, only to wake up missing someone that never fucking existed in the first place
>>739332025Clea is a huge bitch, how do you not get that
>>739332025Painting probably feels more like a dream, if you stop to think about it. Real while you're in it, you remember it vividly when it's over but you forget it and it becomes hazy.
>>739331512Nothing "retarded" about it. They make it abundantly clear that the canvas is an intoxicating drug, a delusion.It'd be no different than taking heroin to cope with your brother's sacrifice in real life, because it makes you feel "happy." Not as bad obviously, because it doesn't come at the expense of tormenting your brother's soul.>And renoir would destroy it the second she gets outMaybe. Just because Alicia said that doesn't make it true. Renoir said himself he didn't want to destroy it if he didn't have to.Aline is too weak to return and would be easy to watch over in the real world, so it'd just come down to Alicia keeping her word.The irony of Maelle character is that she joins the expedition -- a suicide group willing to give their life for the world -- but when the time came to give up her life as Maelle for their sake, and return to the real world, she couldn't. Because in the end, the only thing that matters to her is herself.The entire family is written to be flawed, and Alicia was certainly no exception.
>>739330420I picked Alicia's ending because I deemed people of Lumiere to be morally superior to a family of aristocrats that got too used to playing god and imploded once one of their own died.
>>739332108Retarded take.Clea knew all along it was a painting. She was just having fun. And she doesn't give a shit about the painting.Meanwhile, to Alicia, this was her life. The people she knows there are her family. Saying she should have no say in the painting's fate is horrid.
>>739331721This. We're getting off-topic.
>>739332025Heard a story about a chick who fell into a coma for years and apparently, she had a hyperrealistic long term dream of getting married and having 2 kids. When she woke up she thought she was many years older and asked where her kids are. She's apparently still completely mentally fucked at the loss of the 2 kids she never had.I think Clea just doesn't care that much, because she recognized, nobody is in that much danger, YET. If things got grim and she recognized the signs, she'd probably rush in, slap Aline and Aline around and drag them both out.
>>739332209>a family of aristocrats that got too used to playing god and imploded once one of their own diedShucks, can you tell me what happens in Alicia's ending?Does it involve a member of the family of the aristocrats... playing god... because one of her family members died?You smart good!
>>739332025>That’s liable to basically destroy her mentally in every scenario.You say that but considering how she basically throws aside gustave's death and existence afterwards post act 2, you can confidently say those memories have lesser bearing compared to her real ones.Still a risk but in the end she still hyperfocuses on Verso, ironic really.
>>739331772She's a hag (32), retard.
>>739329124You're supposed to pick the Maelle ending you retard.
>>739332323>throws his death aside>finds out that she’s the god of the canvas >still torn about his death and will completely lose trust in verso if he lies about not saving him >has a move dedicated to him>first thing she does after she gains full control is bring him back
>>739332240>she doesn't give a shitShe did, a long time ago. Then she outgrew it, because she spent 70k+ canvas years inside the canvas. 70k+ years.When she was a child, a child who created the entire canvas with her younger brother, all the way until she was a teen, she clearly cared about the canvas, then she left the canvas behind to focus in the real world.She even mentions that they tried multiple times to invite Alicia to play with them and paint with them but instead Alicia focused on books and being alone in her room.16 years doesn't mean anything against 70k+ years.
>>739332197>she joins the expedition -- a suicide group willing to give their life for the world -- but when the time came to give up her life as Maelle for their sake, and return to the real world, she couldn't.
>>739332209How can they be morally superior if they aren't even real?Every one of them is just the interpreted and filtered understanding of someone IRL a member of the family used as a reference, and as such, they can only be so deep. Gustav may aswell be an automaton, or AI
>>739332317>>Does it involve a member of the family of the aristocrats... playing god... because one of her family members died?no
>the only fixed part we see in Maelle's ending is the interior of the opera house>everywhere else is just rubble>everyone has clearly aged a bit so it means years went by>maelle didnt fix anythingEpic
>>739332713>>everywhere else is just rubbleIts exactly as it was from the start
>>739332713Why would you want to "fix" things?
>>739332675Who is Alicia?What's her surname?Who are the members of the family?Did she bring back Lumierians that died?Did she bring back painted Verso?Is she shown to have the "painters mark" on her face?
>How can they be morally superior if they aren't even real?>Every one of them is just the interpreted and filtered understanding of someone IRL a member of the family used as a reference, and as such, they can only be so deep. Gustav may aswell be an automaton, or AI
>>739332805And why was that? Why was everything destroyed and getting consumed by paint spikes?
>>739332912So what, Sonic and MLP OCs are real people too? If an autist decides to write an entire encyclopedia tomorrow detailing every single aspect of their Sonichu's life, personality and mannerisms, does that make it real?Maybe you are the Jew, I heard schizophrenia is common amongst them.
>>739333145None of the characters in E33 are real either.
>We will never get a Golden Ending that makes everyone happy
E33 but it's Sonichu ending vs Coldsteel ending
Why didn't Maelle bring Gustav back in the start of act 3
>>739333365Renoir
>>739333365charlie cox too expensive, please understand
>>739331408Stop quoting Papa!
>>739333318That's right, and it still doesn't change anything I said
>>739333327there's no way to do that without some sort of third party taking possession of the canvas for a period of time until the family deals with their grief
>>739333624>>How can they be morally superior if they aren't even real?>>Every one of them is just the interpreted and filtered understanding of someone IRL a member of the family used as a referenceThey're not real anon.
>>739333402Refresh my memory
The infantilization of "Maelle" needs to stop. That bitch is like 24 years old by the time E33 takes place and Verso died months before (presumed by the house) the game startsThat whore was told not to trust the mortal enemies of the painters but LE PAPA KNOWS LE NOTHAN'! and her brother fucking died because of herNot only that but she is the WORST painter in the family who could only defeat LE PAPA AND LE MAMAN after they were in the painting for 67 years AND DRAINED OF THEIR POWERSAND SHE IS A SHORT LITTLE MIDGET WITH A GIGANTIC HEAD
>>739333365Because Gustav was a cuck in every single level, the only reason for his existence was to replace Verso, for Maelle to have a big brother figure she never got to have.So when Verso came back into the picture, there was no longer a use for him. That's the reality of it. Gustav never mattered beyond Maelle's narcissistic desires. And as any man that exists only to keep a woman happy, you'll live a miserable life, die and be forgotten
>>739333327>We will never get a Golden Ending that makes everyone happy
>>739332614why was her world drained of color? because she's a shit painter?
>>739329198>>739329534>>739330083>>739330134>>739331083Reminder that Maelle hated lumiere so much she left knowing she would die to some shitty monsters in the barren continent
>>739333758The brain isn't fully formed until 25 retard
>>739333756He has control of all the chroma in the canvas. Maelle is only able to bring back Lune and Sciel because she happens to find their chroma right before escaping Lumiere
Maelle and Lune and Sciel should be raped by monsters with fat greasy stinky cocks
Maelle granting Painted Alicia death but refusing to grant Painted Verso the same just shows she is the villain
>>739333758Shut up Clea, you're like 30 years old and still living with your parents.
>>739334119she is saving herself for a writer
>>739334049>monsters with fat greasy stinky cocksRude, but thank you for nominating me for the task.
>>739334073Verso refusing to let Painted Alicia die but begging for the same shows he is the villain
>>739333906Still the true ending and it's based.
>>739334149(stop) wash(ing) your penis
>>739334174False. His ending puts an ending to everyone's misery.
>>739334219Including thousands of people who didn't want to die.
>>739334365Not real people.
>>739333906She wanted to be with Gustave, he was the only person she really connected with.
>>739329124It wasn't all for nothing. Verso managed to save a family that was falling apart from grief and helped them move on.
>>739334365Next time be real, bozo LOL
>>739334365YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN (chroma) HELL
hype moments/vibechads>OSTbrads>combat enjoyers>>>>>faggots>>>endingcels
At least Matrix posed a real threat with 99% of Matrix people being actual living beings.
>>739334386Then Painted Alicia and Verso aren't real either.
>>739334460What fucking hype moments
>>739333842>So when Verso came back into the picture, there was no longer a use for him. That's the reality of it. Gustav never mattered beyond Maelle's narcissistic desires.This is actually terrifyingly true. In Maelle's ending she doesn't even pay any attention to the Gustav she brought back. She's just staring at Verso creepily the entire time.
>>739334489Yes, they are not. That's my point. It is why Renoir says they they shouldn't paint sentient creatures nor should they spend too much time in the canvas, because he's been there before and it was Alicia who saved him from his delusion back then. Now he owes her the same, as he knows the dangers.
>>739329124>mogs every JRPG ever madehow did they do it?
>>739334508Renoir scenes, paintress scenes, boss death animations like when the entire expedition works together to take it down
>>739334584>Aline who saved himFix'd.
>>739334597by having more than 1 normal battle theme
>>739334584>That's my point.>Maelle granting Painted Alicia death but refusing to grant Painted Verso the same just shows she is the villainIf neither of them are real people how is Maelle the villain?
I guess I'm a nigger for getting bored of the story 5 hours in and just blasting music and enjoying the fights
>>739334532They did a fantasic job capturing the dynamic between a young woman, and the objects of her desire. Never really seen a videogame do that so well before
>>739334641>Renoir scenesThe OST is 90% of the hype, it's so fucking good.
>>739334532schizo
>>739334365Character AI is not real.
>>739332423I wish 32 year olds were real
>>739334764If I go to character AI and get a child AI character and roleplay that I'm raping that character, I'm the villain.The character isn't real, but the intention and the awareness of the person doing it is what counts.
>>739334795literally only the 20 first seconds then it's mediocre
>>739334839Exactly, reminds me of retards who were upset because a chatGTP update changed the "personality" of a LLM.
>>739334849Then Verso is the bigger villain for killing thousands of "character AI" against their will.
>>739334940Those were mostly women btw
>>739334869https://youtu.be/1XYh1K3pQjI?t=20>mediocre
>>739334532>Verso: Maelle, you need to stop seeing me as a replacement for your brother>Maelle: Okay that's no problem btw I love you big brother play the piano for me forever please!>Verso: ...
>>739334839None of the characters in the game are real
>>739334945Verso is a character AI itself programmed to suffer
The kid from FFTA was right and based, so is Verso.
>>739329124POR L'AMORPOR LA VIEPLUERER IN COLOURE!
>>739335038>I love you, therefore suffer eternally and everyone else does too while I die IRL because I can't be mature enough to let go, and take care of myselfVerso literally did what a big loving brother would do for his sister, put her in her place instead of letting her kill herself in endless escapism to avoid facing her own insecurities, which mostly stem from being ugly IRL.
>>739335115His opinions shouldn't matter then and he shouldn't be allowed to physically force Maelle out of the canvas against her will and destroy the real human soul fragment.
>>739335273It's what Verso would do. He sacrificed himself to save his little sister from the fire.
>NOO! You must keep the perpetual circle of toxicity, grieving and denial of reality because of a bunch of literal paintings on a canvas that isn't even yours.Verso's ending is the logical choice. All the men were rational in this game, whilst all the women were entirely driven by their feelings and emotions. If you chose Maelle's ending, congrats, you are spiritually a woman.
>>739335309He's not Verso though. If he's not real he shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that drastically effect the lives of "real" people.
THIS IS FINEMAELLE IS HAPPYTHE DESSENDRE FAMILY SHOULD LET HER KEEP DOING THIS!LOOK AT HOW MUCH DOPAMINE IS IN HER BRAIN RIGHT NOW!
I seriously hope none of you "Gustave is White haired man from the future" fags are posting here, it was embarrassing how many of you bought into this retarded theory
>>739335483>food analogy
>>739335226It's "Peidre l'amour, peindre la vie"
>>739335534I thought it was a cyclical Nier situation where Maelle is the next paintress and Verso, Renoir, and Gustave are the lost family member/lover she is recreating. But it's different every time. Renoir just managed to lock his cycle down, and Verso didn't want to continue his. Renoir stopped Gustave from replacing him but Verso decided at some point to undo the cycle entirely.
>>739335606i speak 'murican anglish, frog-eater
>>739335716It's also hilarious how normies that think Gustave and Renoir look similar didn't spot that Sophie is literally just Emma but with a big hat.Normies are extremely face blind and autistic
>>739335534When I first played (December last year), I thought it was at first, either that or Gustave's father, because Sophie looks just like Gustave's sister. And most of the female characters all look the same, desu. Sciel, Clea, Gustave's sister, Sophie, many others, they blatantly use the same base model.Lots of red/auburn hair too.
>>739335262The DLC really killed Maellefags by showing how Verso fucking hated a life of painting and then Alicia ignoring his wishes and subjecting him to his worst nightmare anyways. She couldn't even give him the dignity of death.
>DIM DIM DAM DADA DIM DIM DA DADA DIIIIM DA LILAM>DIM DIM DAM DADA DIM DIM DA DADA DIIIIM DA DIDAM
>>739335953>endless towers say alicia never gave a fuck about painting and that clea and verso built that shit since they were little kids together>thank you dlc says verso fucking hated paintingAbsolutely over for Maellecels
>>739335838The big similarities are>Gustave/Verso/Renoir>Sophie/Emma>Sciel/CleaI'd downplay it, but that's like half of the cast of significant characters you actually get to see up close.
>>739335953I never got around playing the DLC, but makes sense. I am grateful for the game, one of the fews that left a lasting mark on me months after finishing the main campaign
>>739335953>>739336091>Has a personal private paradise of literal sunshine and rainbows>still wants to genocide his entire world and everyone in it>this somehow btfo MaellefagsLiterally just proves Verso needs to just smile more, literal first world problems.>WAAAAAAAH BUT HE TOTALLY HATED PAINTINGEven though he made that entire world for himself to hang out in, alongside the rest of the canvas that he painted alongside Clea and had fun doing.
>>739335953>>739336091>>739336249nahyou see verso actually have fun there and be happy
I'm so glad I haven't and will never play this game.
>>739336394Literally this.Versofags try so hard to frame Verso as absolutely seething at the very idea of painting when he literally says and shows several times in so many different ways that he loves his creation, spent a lot of time playing with his family and making happy memories through it, and has two best friends he created for himself who love him and comfort him whenever he needs them. Versofags can't stop writing a version of the story that doesn't exist.
>>739336682he's just depressed because of his shitty fucking family
>>739336682>>739336734Dude, what's so hard to understand that as much as Verso can love his friends, family and sister he still understands the family as a whole is dysfunctional, and that allowing the painting to continue is the same as taking away any chances of Maelle ever growing up, and learning to face real life instead of rotting away in escapism like her mother did?Verso represents the masculine energy of doing what must be done for a greater purpose than himself. Maelle is pure narcissistic escapism for her own need for comfort and safety.What are we even saying here, that its Ok for Maelle to rot and die in escapism cause she's got an ugly scar that'd put off most men?
>>739337118verso killing himself to make his family stop being such shitty people isn't a good lesson, ackshully
>>739337118You're mad because a woman has the power to decide how to live her life and not have a man forcing his will onto her.
>>739337205He knows he's a LLM, it was the right thing to do.
>>739337205He was already dead, bro
>>739337293>let the LLM decide whats good for youNice try Elon
>>739337285That makes no sense at all, for Maelle to ''live her life'' requires to bent, and force Verso's will against him.Maelle can still live her life as she pleases IRL, she can even go start a new painting that does not contain Verso's soul.
>>739337353different versosame person
>>739337446Hey Grok should I drink arsenic?NoFuck you you're not the boss of me!
>>739337461>for Maelle to ''live her life'' requires to bent, and force Verso's will against him.It doesn't, she did that completely independently
Threadly reminder>Verso sacrificed his life to save his sister>Fake Verso sacrificed his sister's life to save himself
>>739337118Maybe that's what real Verso would want, but painted Verso is doing it solely for his own selfish reasons as well. He may have the memories of real Verso, but his primary goal was to end his suffering and basically living in immortally as a replica of someone because his mom refused to stop grieving.In the end, both Maelle and pVerso decisions were selfish, but Verso's one at least felt like the one choice that would lead to the Dessandre family to finally move on from the tragedy that separated them, whilst Maelle's ending feels like she's only gonna end up like Aline and over time get consumed by the canvas, especially since she'll most likely try her best to keep everyone happy.
>>739329124It's Masonic propaganda, obvious from the name.
you can easily spot midwits by seeing if they get filtered by act 3 or notjeets and weebs can't comprehend a story that goes beyond 'me good guy you bad guy we kill bad guy' the end
>>739332647>if they aren't even real?Define real. Im being serious.
>>739338040How is it selfish to want to end a tragedy forced upon you by Aline's and Maelle's inability as women to grieve and face the real world?I cannot see it, from where I stand Verso looks like the only genuine victim, while you can sympathize with Maelle hating her IRL life and begging for a safe space to escape from all the pain, her happiness is sustained by the endless, eternal suffering of everyone elseVerso's ending puttings an end to all the suffering, and gives Maelle a chance to touch grass
>>739337285>a woman has the power to decide how to live her life and not have a man forcing his will onto herUh huh. So true, sister.
>>739338631Because he does so at the cost of many including his own friends.Like, 5 minutes before the ending he's whining because his little sister chose to kill herself and now he's forcing the same thing on everyone.He's a fucking hypocrite
>>739338612Real in the sense that they do not represent real life people of flesh and blood, they are amalgations or filtered perceptions of one artist. They are no different as if I, decided to cook up a character basedly losely on my own interpretation of people I've come across during my life, while they may resemble in some aspects, they'll never be anything else but some facsimili I created, and an expression of my own intellectual/creative capacity vs the endless complexity of the world
>>739336380Anon, do you even know how old Verso was when he stopped painting? Same age Clea did, in their teens.Because they've been painting since they were little kids, together. They built the canvas in what, for them, was 70,000 years. 70,000 years they spent in the canvas, playing and building the world and vising their imaginary friends.They outgrew it.Verso loved music. Clea loved sculpting.They didn't "love" painting. They were kids being taught to paint by their parents and Verso made his little retreat.
>>739338631>I will end everyone's "eternal suffering".... by killing everyone including myself
Clea did nothing wrong, is the hottest of the whole cast, and doesn't wear a bra
>>739338790>70,000 years they spent in the canvasI'll take "Things that never happened" for 2000
>>739338723They are make believe friends, bro. This is like saying you love a book so fucking much, that you'd let your baby rot in real life cause if you pull your attention away from the page, those characters dieIt's insane. Maelle and her mother are both wildin, and Renoir was right to put them bitches on their place, all that sympathy is exactly what made Renoir perpetuate this needless suffering, he did not have the heart as a man to say no, until he got pissed off, and went DOOM guy mode on these frech fucks
>>739338631Because it is as you said he is ending a tragedy that was forced upon him. The people of Lumiere are completely unaware of them being a product of a dysfunctional family, their only worry and tragedy is them getting gommage'd, the very thing they are actively trying to stop. They are as "real" as pVerso is, so by erasing the canvas, Verso is basically ending everyone's life, but he doesn't care because his wish is to end his suffering. Like I said, I feel like Verso's ending is the logical choice, but this nigga didn't do it for the sake of the Dessandre family.
>>739338775>real life people of flesh and bloodbut they do have flesh and blood. the chroma literally creates flesh, blood, and even a soul. There is no difference between the painted people and actual real life humans outside of the painting any any meaningful way. The game more than a little overtly tells you this. Are you fucking retarded? Thats the whole point of the moral dilema. There wouldnt BE a moral dilema otherwise. I swear to god the people on this board are so fucking retarded that the even idea that they would have to struggle with using their brain terrifies them to the point where they shit and piss their diapers. Why the fuck would the writers give you an easy out when they literally have said in every single interview ever there isnt supposed to be a right answer for a reason?
>>739338936Verseofags always change whether the painted people are real or not when its convenient for them.They're real if it makes Maelle look bad and implies more people suffer because of her and makes Verso and his feelings feel valid, but they're all fake and make believe if it makes Verso genociding everyone look bad and Maelle not wanting to kill her family and friends.
>>739339212I've given up on having this discussion. Versofags are, just like their patron saint, disingenuous hypocrites
>>739338932Time dilation (which you should know, roony). Verso is canonically 26 years old. Alicia was, at best, 2 years younger (based on how we see Alicia, Clea and Verso all painting together with very little height difference, Clea saying she invited Alicia to play with them when they were kids, etc). Aline couldn't have been more than a few days in the canvas.We know that Clea and Verso have been painting since they were little kids. Verso's canvas exists since he was a little kid.François didnt see Clea in a long, long time, since Clea was a child/early teen.When Alicia enters the canvas, Clea says that "maybe that'll keep you busy until I'm back".A few hours in the canvas is years.Clea and Verso have been doing that since they could paint.
>>739339353Are you calling me a versofag here? im confused
Maelletroons are genuinely retarded
>>739339413No, i'm just expressing the same thoughts as you about these threads, cause I'm just mostly shitposting as opposed to having a serious argument.
>>739339223When I said needless suffering, I meant Maelle running away from real life to rot away like her mother did, not the suffering of the creations of the painted worldThat to me is the real tragedy both Renoir, and a part of Verso is trying to fix, and the reason why I sympathize with them more than Maelle. Like, no matter how much you can feel and understand Maelle, and the end of the day she is a disfigured young woman from a dysfunctional family, who has convinced herself that she is worthless, and she only gets to have friends and feel loved in a fantasy worldThat is fucking sad, bro. How could you ever want to partake in sustaining that? And the end of the day, the possibility for Maelle to live a happy life IRL exists, while the possibility for Verso, and the creations of the painted world to live happily inside a world they know exists only as a whim of a dysfunctional family, has to induce so much existential dread, I doubt they even want it all to continue
Maellefags be like>IT FEELS SO GOOD BRO>I'M MUCH HAPPIER NOW>I CAN QUIT WHENEVER I WANT
>>739339212>There is no difference between the painted people and actual real life humans outside of the painting any any meaningful way.Brother, what are you smoking?Real painters are literal gods that can edit your starts, respawn you, or change you entirely without you having a single choice about itThis is like saying a Game Developer and an NPC are the exact same thing
>>739338936Well verso is make believe too so his opinion doesn't matter
>>739339538Geez I wonder why Maelle would choose to live in a world full of people who love her vs a world where her dysfunctional family basically ignores and cant deal with all the suffering and turmoil in their lives. >>739339683Yes, anon, I know this, but thats only IN the painting. Inside of the painting, the painted humans are no different from any humans outside of the painting. This includes painters. You fundamentally lack perspective.
>>739339718The painting is sustained by his soul, wdym?They literally got that lil dude on child slave labour for eternity cause mommy and sis can't figure her shit out, and Renoir refuses to be a man about it (till the end)
>>739339803>hello my 24 year old daughter can you not trust the mortal enemies of the guild we are a part of? they are up to no good!>yes, sister dear, listen to renoir, they are dreadful people that shan't be trusted>NO PAPA I LIKE READING AND THEY ARE WRITERS SO THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE I KNEW BETTER!>*le brother le dies because of her*>WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE ME?!?!
>>739338825Yes, true, but the stupid fucking haircut and the tranny voice makes it impossible to take him seriously
>>739339897>24 year old daughterare you retarded anon?
>>739339538>That is fucking sad, bro. How could you ever want to partake in sustaining that?Because I choose to save the morally superior people of the canvas who never asked for their decades of constant suffering and existential torment over the dysfunctional family who needlessly inflicted that suffering onto so many people. If that means letting Maelle make the 'wrong' decision for her life and perpetuate the family's grief, then so be it.>the creations of the painted world to live happily inside a world they know exists only as a whim of a dysfunctional family, has to induce so much existential dread, I doubt they even want it all to continueNow this is a really out there theory I have, but playing through the game and seeing the story from the beginning, it gave me the craziest idea that these people who spent 67 years sending people out against impossible odds to destroy the creature that's been the source of their existential torment, and who live by a motto of always continuing on no matter what, MIGHT actually want to continue living.
>>739339803>Geez I wonder why Maelle would choose to live in a world full of people who love her vs a world where her dysfunctional family basically ignores and cant deal with all the suffering and turmoil in their livesJust cause you can sympathize with her situation, does not make it right. Maelle needs to grow the fuck up. Understanding is not the same as enabling. >>739339803>Yes, anon, I know this, but thats only IN the painting. Inside of the painting, the painted humans are no different from any humans outside of the painting. This includes painters. You fundamentally lack perspective.Yes, and in my fanfic stories the characters also care about their lives, and don't want to die. So what? That doesn't mean that to sustain themselves we must sacrifice real life people.You can't tell me you genuinely believe painted creations are on the same level of as real people inside that universe, that'd be ridiculous.If that was so, painting itself would be illegal, it'd be a fucking crime to do art of any kind
>>739340038>and in my fanfic storiesDo you have the power of magic to infuse your fanfics with chroma to give them literal life? No? then its a false equvelence you actual fuckin retard. You cannot argue that the painters are gods who can create life with their power and then argue that isnt life. You literally defeated your own argument holy fuck you are stupid.
>>739339874Verso, the real one, not a random discarded fragment created the painting. No one forced him, no one put him up to it. He consented to its creation. That thing that is painting is not verso. If it has rights, so do every single lumiere citizen. If it doesn't then trying to save it is meaningless and the painting can stay
>>739338898>and doesn't wear a branor shoes
>>739339984>MIGHT actually want to continue living.You don't know that, none of them knew the reality of their circumstances. Verso is a painted character too, and look how learning the truth changed him forever.>>739339984>Because I choose to save the morally superior people of the canvas who never asked for their decades of constant suffering and existential torment over the dysfunctional family who needlessly inflicted that suffering onto so many people. If that means letting Maelle make the 'wrong' decision for her life and perpetuate the family's grief, then so be it.Makes no sense, sincerely. Everything thing those characters are pieces of the Dessendre family through, and through, anything you may appreciate or love about them come from the creation, ideas, thoughts and feelings of Renoir, Aline, Claire, Alice and Verso. Like, you may aswell write a 6'5'' mogging chad mary sue OC, and claim he is morally superior than you. Like, it's just a creation at the end of the day, none of the people in the painting even get to exist if people in the real world do no maintain and take care of it, and none of the actions inside that world are anything but what the creators wished them to be.They are not real people, bro
>>739340038>You can't tell me you genuinely believe painted creations are on the same level of as real people inside that universe, that'd be ridiculous.Every character, painted or otherwise says they are, or otherwise treats them on the same level as 'real people'. Verso says this, Verso's soul says this, Renoir does this, Aline does this. Clea is the only exception, but she's a bitch.>If that was so, painting itself would be illegal, it'd be a fucking crime to do art of any kindHow do you know that's not why the Writers attacked the Dessendre family?
>>739338898>is the hottest of the whole castKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739339981Verso is canonically 26. That is canon.If Alicia was 16, that means she is 10 years younger than Verso and 11 years (at the very least) younger than Clea.So, we know that Verso and Clea stopped painting the Verso canvas when they were early teens, based on the maturity of their painted things.Clea has a dialogue in Endless Towers that says "you would rather sit in your room by yourself reading books" while they were painting in Verso's canvas.So, do you think a 1 year old Alicia was reading books by herself in her room?Then, of course, you have this on top in the DLC. A Verso with a white streak playing with baby Alicia.Then in the main game we have this memory that we see. Aline teaching the kids to paint better. Clea, Alicia and Verso, not 10 years of difference or else Alicia would be a fucking newborn.Which... doesn't even make any sense, does it?So either Alicia is in her 20s or she is 16 year old and the game is extremely poorly written so there is no point in discussing it.
>>739329124> French game has fatalistic ending.How could anyone with even basic exposure to French art and literature be surprised by this?
>>739340095Chroma is just a fancy way to refer to the creative process, unlocked potential, unexplored possibilities fleshing out into ideas. Chroma is not a magical substance that exists in the real world, its just an allergory that is visually repesented in the painted world.Its not real life, the same way a beautiful and hyperealistic portrait is not a literal person flattened into a canvas, bro.
>>739340396Ok anon you are just literally actually retarded and didnt understand the game you played.
>>739340396This.Retards here cannot understand why the guilds in the game that is set during French's Belle Époque are called Painters and Writers.
>>739329124 She was teleported out of the canvas by Clea before she could be erased, and is now kept in a painted sex dungeon for Clea's amusement.
>>739340289>How do you know that's not why the Writers attacked the Dessendre family?No one knows that. The game shows is clearly an artistic representation of the consequences of falling in love with creation, and fantasy. There are no reasons to assume painted creations are anything else but pure escapism, it'd be no different than you creating your own characters and deep lore for a DnD Campaign.
>>739340562>There are no reasonsAnon, just because you are too dumb to understand the game you played doesnt mean everyone else is.
>>739340258>You don't know that, none of them knew the reality of their circumstances.Lune and Sciel know. Regardless, it doesn't fundamentally change anything about their desire to live. Would learning you are in fact a creation of a demiurge immediately make you suicidal?>Verso is a painted character too, and look how learning the truth changed him forever.It didn't actually, he still wanted to live. He believed they all deserved to live. He only wants to end himself because of his immortality.>They are not real people, broRetard >>739339212
>>739340562The fact that Renoir admits he has been in the same situation as Aline and that Aline had to kick him out of a canvas before and that is why he knows the dangers of it, just shows how justified he was.
>>739339371They didn't spend every waking moment in the canvas.
>>739340649he's making shit up
>>739340637>Would learning you are in fact a creation of a demiurge immediately make you suicidal?I think so, honestly. Knowing how important having control over myself is, I'd be terrified shitless knowing I exist solely on the whim of some grieving mother, and her hormonal daughterWith how much nihilism there already is on the youth when they feel they cannot have control over their future, I can only imagine how utterly miserable learning that about the world must feel
>>739340679Why not? The canvas is soooo healthy! The person in the canvas doesnt need to drink water or eat food or sleep!Alicia CAN be in the canvas for the rest of her life! And that is HEALTHY for her!
>>739330134There was a third possible ending if Gustave had lived, but Verso fucked everyone out of the timeline that could have saved everyone.
>>739340771Verso was a traitor from the beginning who just wanted all of it to be over because he was blackpilled and depressed.
>>739340649Renoir always felt like the real hero of the story to me, and the character I sympathize with the most. He seemed like a father at his wits end trying to save his grieving wife, and now daughter for killing themselves over their passionThe irony of it all, for people that love Maelle, is that if Maelle had actually been willing to touch grass, and have self control, chances are the painted world could have kept existing, in moderation.
>>739340637I fully believe we are creations of a "demiurge", unlike most gnostic larpers, and that doesn't make me suicidal. No, I don't believe it is a lion-head serpentine creature shat out by "a woman". Those are just ways to put things in understandable terms, or how someone who never saw a giraffe would try to describe a giraffe.
cleir obscyyr papapampampaa papapampampaa oooo ooooo
>>739329124Lune gives a stare that says "I will not suck your cock and eat your shit, under any circumstances."
>brings out the slut in womenwhat is it about Clair Obscur?
>>739340173The kid literally tells you he is fucking tired of painting, and just wants to rest, broLet the kid rest peacefully
>>739340849You're stupid anonAline was the one who doomed the painting first, not Maelle
>>739340732Well the people of Lumiere have bigger balls than you and not only raged against the dying of the light, but invented technology that gave themselves super powers that made them powerful enough to kill god. I'd rather choose the story that vindicates their indomitable human spirit over the one that selfishly places the creators as the only actors who's lives matter.
>>739340849Same here. Renoir is the best character. He's been there and done that, but Alicia is too childish to listen to him.It is fine to be in a canvas for a little bit, the real problem is losing yourself in it.Entire game would be solved if the Dessendre women (save for Clea) weren't junkies.
>>739340961Have you ever read the story The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas? The dilema in the story is also a reverse of expedition 33.
>>739329124It was all to fix Aline's mistake. That's why it's the good ending.
>>739340968Yes, but Renoir was willing to her Maelle out. He loves his daughter, he does not want her to suffer. Its the same as taking your kids playstation away so they do their homework, or brush their teeth or exercise.You don't do these things cause you hate them, you do it cause they are too naive, young and clueless to understand the future consequences of their bad choices. All I am saving, if that Maelle had proven she had the ability to partake in the painting in moderation (unlike her mother), I doubt Renoir would have tried to take it away in the first placeMaelle's inability to be responsible is ultimately what killed the painted world
>>739341024No, is it worth a read?How'd you like it?
>>739329124>everything was fake10/10 game
>game has verso saying how much he loved playing the piano for his little sister>he smiles while playing to maelle (IIRC)>get maelle ending>'i dont want this life please i dont want this life'>black screen>'if you could grow old... would you find a reason to smile?'>cuts to a (still) torn lumiere but pristine opera house>maelle, visibly older, sits in front row>verso, visibly older, plays the piano for her>he doesnt smile>horror tones and dissonant note before he starts playing>maelle's painter thing appears on her face, showing Alicia's true deformed faceI dont know how anyone sees this as a good ending
>>739341174it's funny!?
>>739341174>visibly older,whatshe looks the same
>>739340849Ideally, Aline and Alicia leave the painted world forever, and in return Renoir and Clea let the canvas world live on. The people of Lumiere can live on in peace, alongside the Gestrals, Grandis, and Nevrons.Alicia would let go of Gustave, Lune, Sciel, Monoco, Monoco, and Esquie, in order to save them. She would have to say goodbye to them, but know that in doing so she is saving herself and them.
>>739340974That indomitable spirit only exists because it was in the Dessendre family, after all, they painted it themselves into those creations.That you appreciate those characters so much is a testament to their talent as artist to observe the world, and express it in a convincing way
>>739340998Renoir arguably shows much more genuine empathy towards Sciel than Verso, who is all smoke and mirrors.
>>739341136Its a short story, highly worth the read, its the best short story I have ever read. You could say it really made me think.
>>739341240That'd have been the true good ending
>>739340849>>739340998People don't really interrogate Renoir's actions when it came to kicking Aline out of the painting. He jumps in to force her out even though she'd barely been inside for any time at all (Clea tells Alicia, at 40+ canvas years, that Aline's situation wasn't anything to worry about and that they had spent longer in canvases before), she was a grieving mother, and Renoir seemingly went straight for scorched earth strategy to destroy the canvas. And people act like Aline was the crazy one for holing herself up inside the canvas for so long, even though Renoir also refused to leave and kept themselves in a 67 year long stalemate. From where I'm standing we have no indication that Renoir even attempted to actually comfort his wife, let alone let her grieve in her own way, he more or less lets it slip at the end when he says he "needed to fix it". Maelle was right when she called him out for wanting to always be in control after Verso's death left him feeling helpless. I don't believe Aline was some painting junkie, I believe she simply was never given the chance to properly process her grief due to being forced into a decades long fight with her overbearing husband.
>>739341378Well, yeah, Renoir is a real human being who's been through that before and pVerso is a simulacrum painted Verso idealized by Aline.
>>739341446I'll take a look, AnonThank you
>>739341024>>739341136I realize i said also a reverse, i meant almost a reverse, its not entirely the same but it definitely feels very similar except opposite.
>>739329124>video game tells you to stop playing video games living a life of child banalities and go live life and to touch grass
>>739341279It doesn't matter who or what gave it to them. You (and by extension Aline, were given your human spirit from your parents. If you're religious, you were given it by god. What difference does it make? No living creature spawned from nothing.
>>739332309>she had a hyperrealistic long term dream of getting married and having 2 kids. When she woke up she thought she was many years older and asked where her kids are. She's apparently still completely mentally fucked at the loss of the 2 kids she never had.I know, I also read House of M.
>>739341470>they had spent longer in canvases beforeI assume this is the situation Renoir refers to when he says, in the past, he needed to be saved by Aline because he lost himself in the canvas.That's kinda like someone who actually managed to kick off an addiction trying to get a newly addicted person out of it ASAP.I think the main issue that made Aline a "junkie" was recreating her family as painted idealized people. It's one thing for you to lose someone and look at their photos or re-read their messages or re-listen to their voice mails or have some keepsake of them. It's an entirely other thing to try to recreate that person.Tragic, sure, but Aline wasn't healthy.
Always right, never sorry
>>739336658Literally the only good game in the endless sea of shit that was the 2020s
>>739341470I agree with you, I can sympathize with Renoir but I can also see his flaws, his need for control making him callous, cold and heard headed, even if his underlying intentions were good. Not being the supporting, and validating husband Aline needed him to be to properly process her grief instead of fighting. Yeah, I can see that clearly. The entire Dessendre family as a whole is flawed, I think that's why I like this story so much. Yet, I can only imagine that if I were put in his shoes, I might very well act in a similar way. I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to see your family destroy themselves, and feel completely powerless to stop it. Specially as a man, I sympathize with his will to do whatever it takes, even if his methods are not optimalI cannot remember, does Renoir redeem himself at the end?
>>739341024The dilemma is similar, but the key difference is the "Walk Away" part of Omelas, that everyone living there is free to leave at no cost to themselves, it's purely a moral dilemma for them. The people of the canvas necessarily have to give up their entire existence to let Verso's soul fragment be destroyed, it's not just a moral dilemma, but an existential one.
>>739329697Max hp if you are a shitter who can't parry or dodge until you get proper weapons and you start making builds. Then you can either respec into max damage for that particular weapon or whatever you need for your ability based builds. In any case at the endgame you would most likely end with 100% crit or close for most characters.
>>739341636It does matter to me cause I don't see them as real people, I see them as the equivalent of me jumping on Blender and making a 3D modelI do not fundamentally believe these are real people, just incredibly deep representations of that. The same way I don't believe AI is a real person
>>739329124wdym? The game ends with either saving the canvas and removing the one who was Gommaging everyone (your goal from the beginning), or destroying it.
>>739341174One- Fuck Verso, I only wish I could make him suffer moreTwo- Gustace, Lune, Sciel, Sophie, Emma, Pierre, and everyone else in Lumiere gets to live.
they never even explained what a crepe was
>>739329124Your fault if you chose the genocide ending. Did you do that in Undertale too?
>>739331792Somehow I feel like the battle between clea and the writers goes like>Clea>You can't win, writer. I already paint you as the basedjak and me as the chad>Writer>write as while fanfict where clea loses to cock
>>739341974There was no need to do that in Undertale, because both humans and monsters were real, not just pigments of Chara's imagination
>>739329198She erased Alicia to replace her in that world along her fake brother and you think this is healthy for her ? This is crazy.
>>739341174I think one of the most fucked up things she did in all of that is erasing Verso's scars.
>>739341853You're wrong, and every character in E33 disagrees with you
>>739341470>Clea tells Alicia, at 40+ canvas years, that Aline's situation wasn't anything to worry about and that they had spent longer in canvases beforeI think this was just Clea downplaying it. Iirc Aline was in it for months while her body just atrophies away. Renoir absolutely did overreact, but he felt like he had to save Aline like she did for him when he fell in too deep.
>>739342087this is canon
>>739329198Both endings are shit.the game completely abandons its premise and nothing that was set up at the start goes anywhere.
>>739332209You mean all the dead people that Alicia then ineptly recreated to play out her fantasies? Reminder, they were all dead at the start of Act III, every single one of them.
>>739341773>Yet, I can only imagine that if I were put in his shoes, I might very well act in a similar way.As a Maellefag, if I were in Renoir's shoes, I'm slamming the Destroy the Canvas button without hesitation. The brilliance of this story is how no side is truly wrong, and its simply a matter of who's perspective your looking at it from.Its why I hate how so many people try to reduce the story into black and white morality, they actively argue in favor of a less interesting and thought provoking story.
>>739342613Oh yeah? Well my OC thinks you are wrong
>>739329182If he played E33, Chinese shillbot.
>>739342958Which one? Maelle, Aline, Renoir, or Verso?
>>739333365She brought the girls back because she was able to find their chroma. It's when she said "I can see them" before fleeing from Renoir
>>739343017My super duper cool black and red alicorn OC bro
>>739343118Where is that in the game?
>>739342985this but the reverse
>>739341174To defend that ending, developpers told they did that on purpose to make things awkward and make players question their choice. There also said there is no good real best option in their eyes but a player can have one.Verso's ending is extremely sad but accompanied by a beautiful song (yet still terribly sad but beautiful).In contrast, Maelle's ending is supposed to be joyful but the song is uncanny, the camera angles are too and the black and white scene seems to show the opposite.
>>739343186Are you saying my creations aren't real bro
>>739343416Of course they'd say that, they don't want to take sides and risk standing for something they gotta justify or defendIt's obvious by they way they created the endings they side more with Verso than Maelle. The later ending is uncanny and disturbing
>>739343423They're not characters in Expedition 33.
>>739330420Killing an entire city full of people is indeed bad.
>>739343525midwit take
>>739343594Yes they are, I painted them and wrote them in my own fanficThey are real, and if I want to spend my entire life in my mom's basement masturbating to them, then that's Ok I deserve to be happy, and my OCs want to live
The thing I find most hilarious is that the game goes through this whole MC plot twist, sets the story up for grrrrrl power, and then takes away Maelle's agency and makes it a very clear, black & white choice. The men (Renoir and pVerso) are right and the women (Aline and Alicia) are wrong. This is like /v/'s wet dream of a game, no wonder we're still making the same threads about it.Regardless of what anons may think, this is what the developers and writers of the game are saying through the endings. pVerso's ending is shown to be the correct one, with the E33 members waving goodbye and smiling, happy they were genocided. Maelle's ending shows how her addiction to the painting is killing her and pVerso is miserable, with the discordant piano playing really driving it home. There's no subtlety, no nuance, no wondering which ending was better. The devs hit you over the head with a hammer about it.
>>739343606You’re Jewish aren’t you?
>>739343638Take Mogged
>>739343719Your fanfiction is still not Expedition 33.
>>739343872It is, Expedition 33 is the reason they exist, and now they have become part of it's larger world out here in the fandom that exists online
>>739329182Indianos...
>>739344026Its still not Expedition 33
>>739344195My headcanon proves you wrong
>>739344298Your headcanon is meaningless. It's not Expedition 33.
>NOOOOO YOU NEED TO KILL THE PAINTING PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES TIME AND TIME AGAIN TO BE SAPIENT BECAUSE... IT'S NOT HEALTHY, OKAY!?The painting people deserve to live as long as possible. Mald, dumb family full of assholes I don't care about.
>>739335412>>739335273HE HAS THE SOUL OF THE REAL VERSO. THE REAL VERSO DIED FOR MAELLE AND THE MOMENT HE KNOWS SHE'S IN THE MOTHERFUCKING CANVAS HE DOES EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO GET HER OUT OF THAT GODDAMN PLACE TO SAVE HER. YOU FUCKERS CANNOT BE THAT DENSE.
>>739329124I really want to drink but I have addict bloodshit eyes right now
>>739337747Not his real sister. This is a painting. Verso still has a sliver of Verso's Soul.
>>739344642He literally does not have the soul of the real Verso. He literally is not the original Verso.He also DOESN'T do "everything in his power to get her out", instead he watched over her until she eventually joined the expedition, then forced himself into her expedition so he could guide her towards forcing Aline of the canvas.
>>739344741No he doesn't. pAlicia is his real sister
>>739343525Yeah for me too it's obvious the real ending is Verso's one because any person who have encountered grief in his life would understand why it's terrible choice to live in that fake world forever. But it's a take from a real person's perspective.The characters in that game live in a world where magic seems to exist. Also what is strange is the time is elapsing differently according if you are inside the canvas or out so in other words, a person could live multiple lives inside that canvas. Add to this Verso's fragment of soul seems to be real and he has also explained that people of Lumiere aren't blank mind, they seem to really exist.Now their family really need to escape that canvas to face their real life problem and also avenge him. Clea said their parents, especially Aline is someone really important, none of them can remain here. If Clair Obscur 2 will really be the continuity of that story, i don't see how Maelle's ending could help follow-up the plot.
>>739342985
>>739333758Based.
>>739333758kek
>>739342087IMHO Simon was a painted version of one of the writers. The Expedition 0 people were the original Lumerians, all creations of Aline and as Aline is an impressionist (Renoir is an expressionist, all his creations, such as the Axons, draw heavily on symbolism), it's llikely they were based on real people.A painted Clea in love with a writer is the kind of weird thing Aline would come up with, a fantasy of the painters and writers not being at war.
>>739345053The song "Linen & Cotton" that plays in Spring Meadows tells you that time is slower.
>>739330420good bait.
>>739329124how do so many people play a JRPG, a genre that is basically defined by "the journey matters more than the destination" keep thinking the destination is the only thing that matters
>>739345053>Verso's one because any person who have encountered grief in his life would understand why it's terrible choice to live in that fake world forever. But it's a take from a real person's perspective.That's why Maellers are called troons. Only hedonistic narcissists that refuse to acknowledge objective reality would side with Maelle's ending.Maelle behaves exactly as you'd expect a traumatized teenage girl to act, seeking comfort and safety over anything that might cause discomfort. The painted world is her safe spot to feel beautiful, powerful, capable and worth something. The same videogames can be to NEETs and Chuds, the same way the hope of passing is to tranniesVerso will always be a chad, there's no way around it
>>739343606>city full of constructs that speak in complete sentencesdo you think Charlie Kirk died again when Sora got shut down?
>>739336394The nuance is that Verso doesn't mind painting and even enjoys it when he's doing it casually with his friends and family. But he's not an artist. He's a musician. He doesn't want to paint his entire life.No idea how people cannot understand this. Do you guys not have hobbies that you wouldn't want as a jobs to do 24/7?
>>739351485>The painted world is her safe spot to feel beautiful, powerful, capable and worth something.>its ok when Verso does it
>>739351651Verso painted his world when he was a kid or early teen. He literally hasn't painted anything else since then, which Alicia mopes over when she says Maman chooses to hang Verso's only painting up but none of hers except for a tiny shitty one. He clearly outgrew painting and even in the DLC it states that his insecurities about being forced to paint forever was WHY he made the retreat in the first place.
>>739351697Verso never had a choice, and real verso is fucking dead bro. He is not rotting away in his room, ignoring real life to seek escapism like Maelle is
>>739352006But it was ok when Verso did it
FUCK VersoThat is all
>>739352129Verso didn't completely give up on the outside world, plunging himself into the painting as a coping mechanism though. There's a big difference between making your own space to decompress from the stressors of one's life for a time, and completely immersing yourself in it to the point of neglecting your own health
>>739352136He was a glorious rat bastard.
>>739352278So you're saying its ok when Verso does it
>>739352336considering he did so in a healthy way, yeah I'd say so.
>>739352336Yes, the same way is Ok for someone that keeps healthy, has friends, family and a job that gives them purpose to enjoy some fast food every once in a whileMaelle never had any moderation, the painting is her entire fucking life cause she has none out side of it. Maelle is terminally online
>>739352589Its her home
>>739352629So is crack to a junkie, bro
>>739352945>food analogy
>>739352975That wasn't even a food analogy, are you Ok?
Game was super fun and I had tons of fun playing it. It was my GOTY easily. Eat shit.
