Who are the biggest vidya Poochies?
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What's even the criteria? Attempts to revive a dying IP that flopped, made it worse and then were mercifully sunset?
Raiden, Nero, and Apollo Justice, though the first two managed to redeem themselves to the audience.
>>739337193Pirate Tawna
Lightning, my beloved
>>739337297when they aren't on screen, all the other characters should be asking where they are
>>739337297It's a character who's supposed to be the next big thing, but audiences hate him so he quickly gets axed
>>739337193>extremely forced character from out of touch executives that nobody actually likesAloyboth World of Warcraft and FF14 also have Poochies. Wuk Lamat in FF14 and Sylvanas in WoW
>>739337193Raiden, MGS2
>>739337358Most correct answer in the thread so far
>>739337193Sumire from Persona 5
>>739337193When I played the AAI games Kay felt like this at times>hey, did you know Miles and Gumshoe had super best friend ninja thief girl this whole time! everyone loved her even though she didn't do anything!
>>739337389that's literally every anime ever
>>739337193Demoman, TF2
Lucario
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>>739337673>>739337856>I have no idea what a Poochie is, but I'm gonna attempt to reply anywaysRetards.
>>739337413You can't be a Poochie when you're the original star of your own damn gameYour criteria is otherwise accurate but they have to be forced into an existing franchise
>>739337297The IP doesn’t have to be dying. It can just be a character introduced to gain a new audience. The character doesn’t even have to be overdesigned. When I think of a Poochie a true Poochie I think of Lucky from King of the Hill or Randy from Thats 70s Show. All characters introduced fairly late who tried to give off main character energy, that the audience didn’t care for. Lucky at least was somewhat inoffensive and voiced by Tom Petty but Randy was intended to replace Eric which was so bad they brought Eric back for the finale and Randy wasnt even in the final ep.
>>739337930>anthropomorphic canids with blue shorts
>>739337297wasn't poochie killed because the studio got sick of homer wanting more money or something?i dont remember if the fans started to hate him or not
>>739338190He was hogging screen time and killing ratings and hype for the show. Nobody liked him, not the kids or executives, not even Krusty who barely cares about Itchy and Scratchy. When Poochie died, Krusty was actually happy for once and the entire audience cheered.
>>739337193Adam Jensen from Deus Ex. He looks a bit too cool for school whilst also being kinda lame in comparison to JC Denton.I mean I like the voice actor and some of his lines, and I like both games he appeared in. He just is a bit of a Poochie at the same time.
>>739337193
>>739337534>Senpai, I’m here to assist you in a fight and be all mysterious in the prologue to hype up my appearance!>Senpai, what a coincidence to bump into you and somehow not know the rumors about you that were spread on your first day despite everyone else knowing them.>Senpai, let’s start a confidant but also have it blatantly show that there’s more to my character since it only maxes out at 5!>Senpai, let’s keep bumping into each other but I won’t participate with the rest of the group because I’m busy! But I will hang out with Akechi-kun!>Senpai, now that I awakened to my Persona, I’m going to do absolutely nothing because joining the Phantom Thieves would require the writers to somehow fit me into the main story.>Senpai, I’m sorry for failing you into the palace! I just needed to show how incompetent your team was on the day of your most important plan!>Senpai, now I actually want to join the party! But you won’t let me because that would require making new animated cutscenes…>Senpai, now that you’ve maxed out my confidant and we’re dating, we can only go on 2 dates despite every other girl getting more.>Senpai, allow me to be the last person to say farewell to you in an animated cutscene, and because of that you won’t even get a farewell gift from me and I won’t even acknowledge that we’re dating when I say goodbye.
>>739337673Dumbest post here by farNone of the 9 TF2 mercs are Poochies because they are all genuinely beloved good characters, you absolute retard.
>>739337534All Atlus rereleases add a female Poochie. Even the obscure ones.
This character is so comically poochie that she covers Homer's list of requests beat-for-beat.>Uh, one: Poochie needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine.>Two: Whenever Poochie's not on screen,all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Poochie?"It's so obnoxious that it was egregious even to GACHA players.
>>739337673>Whenever Spy's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Spy?"
>>739337193It's pretty crazy to think that most people under 25 never watched the (good) simpson.
>1. Our new waifu character needs to be louder, angrier, and with access to the powers of a goddess.>2. Whenever Marie's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "where's Marie?"
>>739339565legs
Shadow is a Poochie that actually succeeded.
>>739337193Rivet, i hate that bitch
>>739337193Rotom
>>739339629The audience were mainly just autistic Homers, that's why.
>>739339629You're a retard, he was supposed to die.>>739338009She's the Poochie of PlayStation studios by far, I'm not sure how you can argue otherwise.
>>739339629He wasn't a Poochie in his debut game. He only gained prominence later on due to his popularity, which is the exact opposite of a Poochie.
>>739339629I remember when everyone made fun of Shadow. Its only recently people seemed to have turned around.
>>739337193A "Poochie" as presented in The Simpsons is not really applicable to most games (barring some live service/subscription games) due to way games studios handle production, how game stories are formated, and how we interact with games.The closest I think we get is Raiden and Nero, but the devs intent behind these characters are still extremely different from Poochie.
>>739340074I can think of a few gaming Poochies:1. Cynder from Spyro. She is the villain in the first game and gets namedropped throughout the whole game. Then later they find out shes actually a good, corrupted dragon. She dissapears and Spyro spends the entire 2nd game looking for her endlessly, nothing else matters, not even the fate of the world. Finally they're magically chained together in the third game and shes playable. She has zero actual characterization beyond self-pity and was only made to be this way during the edgy, 2000's era. 2. Kait Diaz from Gears of War. Both sequel games deal with her having to look for her mom and other people from her village that got kidnapped by Locust. Shes the protagonist of both games and also related to the Locust Queen. And everyone is trying to protect her and help her while an actual apocalyptic scenario is going on. Meanwhile everyone wants to see more of the old cast and Marcus' son J.D.
>>739337398Donte from Devil May Cry
>>739337193Heller from Prototype 2.
>>739340069The effect you are seeing is gen x no longer dominates the internet conversation. Back then, they whined incessantly about anything that wasnt 2d sonic on the genesis with just Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles.
>>739337193Rosalina, unironically. Captain Toad, Starlow, Nabbit.
Shadow
>>739340223That game was an entire squad of Poochies
>>739340261It's interesting that most actual Poochies tend to be female.
>>739340360I'd argue Tangle and Whisper are bigger poochies than shadow ever was.
>Poochie if he worked
>>739337335Apollo is super popular
>>739340074Maybe Jin from Tekken? In fighting games they try to introduce a lot of characters that don't work with fans. Isn't Luke from street fighter a poochie?
>>739337398No, it's a character who keeps getting pushed by the devs despite fans hating them.
>>739340541Oh boy, I can't wait for the next Ace Attorney game to introduce Apollo's 4th backstory!
>>739340412neither of them got an entire game dedicated to trying to convince us how "cool" and "hardcore" and "badarse" they are.
>>739340378yeah Myles might be the most obnoxious one, but the others aren't that much better.
>>739337930Lucario is absolutely a poochie though
>>739340784He's actually popular, though.
>>739340386Some can be male too. Do you remember Locke from Halo 5: Guardians? Like the actual basis of this thread he was also literally, killed off in space and nobody talks about him even more.
>>739340971MJ too.
>>739340971>obvious Poochie>but people don't wanna seem "Ie racist" by disliking him so they just psyop themselves into saying hes profound character>knowing full well if he completely replaced Peter FOREVER they wouldn't buy his comics, movies, TV shows
>>739341054Mary Jane is to Spiderman what Louis Lane is to Superman. Neither are poochies, but some versions of those characters can be insufferable. That's more just character assassination or bad writing, where Miles is an actual poochie.
>>739341052She's more a Mary Sue than a poochie, because she's the main character.
>>739341329He's talking about MJ in the Spiderman games, which is absolutely one.
>>739337193This mofo right here.
>>739339629shadow is the exact opposite of a poochie, he was supposed to be a 1 game character that was killed off but the audience liked him so much they brought him back
>>739341405But how can she be a poochie if she's a character people expect to be around, because it's Spiderman? Just call it them fucking up MJ's character.
>>739341052So fucking disgusting, my God.
cant help but notice the obvious one hasnt been posted yet...dont worry i gotchu
>>739341410How is he Poochie? He's a dumb simp trying to be John Connor from Terminator and dies like an idiot
>>739341557Bro, Rosalina is barely in anything. The Galaxy movie nerfed her role so Peach can shine. Movie Peach is a better example.
>>739337398>>739340603Yes and no, its a character who is pushed by the execs or suits as the next big thing and created using what they think the word cool means as his personality>Big sun glasses, backwards cap, 90s dude clothingThe vidia equivalent of this would be Donte and the whole saints row reboot cast.
>>739341557Shes barely a character outside the Galaxy games. Spinoffs don't count because who in the actual fuck cares Super Mario Golfing Spree Bananza 2 for the Wii U and comparable games?
>>739337193That Wuk Lamat catgirl in FFXIV, right down to characters asking where is Wuk Lamat.
>>739337413Wuk Lamat seems like an absolute with regard to poochieism.
>>739341746and Wuk Lamat died on their way back to their home planet
>>739341571Isn't a Poochie character supposed to be 'cool' and fucking obnoxious to the point that everyone just hates them? he also dies, but nobody cares about it in the end. nobody misses this character.
This fucking twat
>>739341895Poochie is basically a character that gets introduced in an effort to spice things up (improve ratings, refreshen up the formula, whatever). But, it's done in a hamfisted way that the Poochie starts hogging the limelight, taking screen time away from the more established characters. It's originally a Simpsons joke, where Homer even said that if Poochie isn't on the screen, everyone should ask where is Poochie. Poochie was taken out the back and killed ("he died on his way to his home planet").Since then, Poochie has taken to mean characters that are crammed into existing series, usurping the established main cast even if they're not popular or well liked. Out of this thread, Wuk Lamat is perhaps the best example.
>>739338451Their plan was to make you like Marie by making "Marie: BUT WORSE" in P5.
>>739342029He alone doesn't count, but you could consider Star Fox Adventures to be a Poochie game, lazily tacking an IP onto something that doesn't belong
>>739341895>whiny, overcompensating dipshit>dies in the only game that he appears inHow is Steve a Poochie?
Not only is he himself a poochie, he even has his own in-universe poochie with Crow>Yo dawg we heard you like poochie
>>739337398>quickly gets axedthat's what makes it hard mode. The hubris of developers these days ensures they'll triple down out of spite for the players
>>739342235Too late, I already love her
>>739341756Including the fact that it's clear they're embarrassed by her and she'll never be brought up again after dawntrail
>>739343382I don't think many characters really fulfill the exact role of Poochie as he was handled in Simpsons, because that was done for a joke. It's more common to get annoying one-off characters who don't stick around.
>>739343472Not even close. Leon fits that bill if you actually want to talk about RE
King of the third wheels has arrived!
>>739343456I do wonder how much of that was the backlash over the tranny EN VA too. Like the character was just downright awful, but the absolutely atrocious performance that troon gave did a ton of damage on its own
>>739337413>Sylvanas in WoWThat character existed before that game, so it doesn't count. The problem is that the new writers are mentally challenged.
>>739337641You've never seen an anime
>>739341539she had nice nipples though
>>739343620I don't think it had much to do with it since JP players hate her fucking guts with a good VA
>>739337193Miles Morales in the first Marvel's Spider-man game.
>Lightning needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine>And whenever she's not on screen all the characters should be asking "Where's Lightning?"
>Ciri in Witcher 3>Lev in TLOU 2>Kai Leng in ME 3
>>739339565Not just Maria, every single "Atlus SMT rerelease waifu" that we've been cursed with>Metis>Marie>the bitch from SJ Redux>The bitch from P5R>literally everyone from 4AWhy do they keep DOING THIS???
>>739340483>The prototype of all Robot Masters>Apparently one of two robots with actual free will>Long lost son of Dr. Light>Mega Man's mysterious, cooler big brother>'Rebel without a cause' attitude>He's like suuuper tragic because his core will fail one day>Antagonist turned good guyIf handled poorly, Proto Man could have been one of the worst vidya Poochies. But thankfully he's Proto Man. He wears sunglasses under his sunglasses.
>>739342320>whiny, overcompensating dipshithe's obnoxious, yeah but obviously he was clearly meant to be designed as a cool 'leon-like' sidekick for Claire, as well as her potential love interest and emotional anchor.>dies in the only game he appears inHe also appears in CV: Gun Survivor and Darkside Chronicles. even Wesker ambiguously teased that he might come back to life, but nothing ever came of it, maybe because nobody gives a shit about the character at all.
>>739337413WoW's entire Mists of Pandaria expansion was basically a Poochie itself
>>739337193Generally vidya? or vidya characters that "hijack" their respective games?If the former, thenCiri in The WitcherDonte and Nero in DmCRaiden in MGSTrahearne in early Guild Wars 2that one girl in nu-Ratchet and Clankthat one girl in gears of warMiles Morales, in Spider-Man but this is hardly vidyaAlyx in Half-Life 2/Alyx
Elaleth in the terrible new Legacy of Kain comic and game. Constantly the center of attention, even when other characters are around. Designed to be "cool" looking. Made to appeal to modern trends - girlboss mary sue character. Likely to be killed off or forgotten if the series does manage to continue in the future
>One: Garl needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine>Two: Whenever Garl is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Garl?"
>>739344810sorry, if the latter*
>>739337193The better question is when has the full Poochie arc actually happened in a video game series?>1) games are considered too formulaic and audience is losing interest>2) execs add focus-tested new characters to reinvigorate interest>3) backlash is so strong that audiences remember why they liked the old games in the first place>4) series goes back to how it used to be with higher audience interestMost Poochies stall at point 2 or 3 because the result is the series dying instead of going back to how it used to be.
>>739342156>Wuk Lamat is perhaps the best example.isn't she the main protagonist of the expansion though? she's more like a mary sue than a poochie imo
>>739340261The thing about Cynder tho is that she has a prominent and thirsty fanbase. It's a kind-of similar situation as Shadow the Hedgehog. I wouldn't strictly call her a Poochie.
>>739337297Character added later into a vidya story/series to change the status quo or shake things up. Ususally the poochie hogs a massive amount of screentime/attention to the detriment of everything else, while being heavily disliked.A good recent example outside Vidya would be Roman Reigns circa late 2014- mid 2020.>>739338190No, Poochie tanked raitings even further and everyone hated him.Homer tried to sympathize but it didnt matter.>>739337193The correct answer is Wuk Lamat, by the very definition. I have not seen a single positive thing said about this character, asnd every scene ive seen has been laughably bad and numerous, like more dialogue than basically everyone else since every expansion bad.
>>739337358Crunch was worse
>>739341410Nigga wears a fucking chokerIt's like they wanted players to be disgusted with this character
>>739337193The black in Halo 5The woman in Gears 5
>>739345126Classic WoW is the closest I can think of.
>>739343620She's a shit character regardless of the language you play the game with
>>739343886unf
>>739343886Damn close to the plot of XIII-2
>>739337234zoomer scum
>>739345689How? >is the villain of his debut game, joins the main cast>says or does fuckall in Twinsanity>is naturally playable in CNK where he has like a handful of lines in cutscenes>does nothing in the Radical games besides act like a Mr. T parody or get captured and then dissapear from the rest of the game
>>739337193Woke LamatEvery NPC in WoW Midnight
>>739337193Every new girl in an Atlus rerelease.
The baby Donkey Kong in Donkey Kong Country 3
>>739337193Zelda ever since Skyward Sword.>One third of the Triforce isn't enough, she gets all of it now>Descendent of The Goddess, golden who nows?>same fucking arc about needing to have faith in herself so she can access her retard strong "start/resolve the plot" goddess powers, every single game>Series' old habit of floating at least one alternative love interest for Link is put to bed with a character whose entire fucking thing is being unattractive next to Zelda>Link slowly animorphing into more of Fujibayashi's self insert so he can date his high schooler half goddess girlfriend
>>739344134I think Yoko from SMTV:V bucks this trend, at least.She's such a weird bitch that she ends up being one of the few characters you care about since most of the human cast have all the personality of plain rice cakes.
>>739340069Pic related pretty much sums it up.>>739343472Just looking at the thumbnail for a sec, I thought that was Jack Garland. Yeah, Jake was a disaster of a character.
>>739345126Devil May Cry is the most clear example. Only hitch is that DMC4 didn't actually sell poorly. It was just a victim of the 7th gen "why isn't our game selling as many copies as Modern Warfare?" hysteria.
>>739337193sunset shimmer
>>739341317Biggest thing that gives Miles away is that every time they make something with him they're certain to give him 'Spider-Man powers but also something else'.In the movies he can go invisible and in the comics he has like electric sword powers and shit.
>>739337193ENTER
>>739343304Yep. Probably the biggest example of "When he isn't on the screen, everyone should be asking where he is" in this thread.
>>739343886lol
>>739351323
>>739341410Billy from 0
>>739351378Reminder, Wuk Lama, Lamatyi, and Third Promise are all different titles for Wuk Lamat
>>739351428
>>739337193Anyone from YIIK
>>739337193wuk lamat and it isn’t even close
>intended to be more appealing and popular than the Nohr family>miserably fail at that, Nohr dominates the popularity polls, with not a single Hoshido sibling surpassing their counterpart in the rankings>IS refuses to just drop them, so every time Fates gets representation in a game it has to have both Nohr and Hoshido, bloating the roster with Fates when nobody fucking likes the boring weeb family
>>739337193>0 mentions of D'Poochieshame on you /v/
>>739352343I'm gonna be real with you man, I completely forgot about herI haven't cared about MK in several years
>>739337193klee
>>739337234Fpbp
>>739352343>kills two fan favourite classic characters in her debut>immediately gets her hive back for free after Reptile spent the whole series failing to get his people back>kills Boon's baby boy in her next appearance>gets away with everything until the timeline is resetConsidering what a blatant pet character she was, it's surprising that she's completely absent in MK1.
The blue haired girl next to Jonesy.
>>739344134Theodore from Portable 3 was fine, but that's because he replaces Elizabeth instead of being a totally different thing.
>>739343304Haha that's our Rean!
>>739352625They're saving her for the next game where she'll play a crucial role
>>739337673Engineer posting must cease. Don't you have toys to build, laborer?
>>739337193These niggers
>>739337641Those SAO games are so like that, i tried one just cause the combat looked neat and had character creation, but you are basically just a passenger, the whole time is sucking on Kirito, and every action scene must include him
>>739337193It's AquaLet's not fool ourselves.She even went back to her home planet for like 10 years and then was brought back as a cameo to job so people would forget she was ever relevant.
abel from sf4
>>739337193Uncharted 4 still confuses me to this day.
>>739353223Damn why wasn't she posted earlier? I think the worst thing about her is that every game before this one has Nathan taking out mercs leaders like her constantly but the moment the merc leader is a black woman she's this unstoppable machine that is basically allowed to do whatever she wants and gets off scot free and alive.
>>739337193>every single character is completely butchered and or insufferable in BL3>yet SHE easily takes crown of worst character The fact that they had to hastily remove her from BL4 really hammers down how literally EVERYONE despised her.
>>739353223>WE
>>739340483>>739344224Proto Man works because he's almost never actually on-screen or playable. The main thing wrong with Poochie even in the actual Simpson's episode is that they mandate he gets all the screentime and focus.
>>739353276They gave her her own spin off game too. They were REALLY proud of making the most generic girl boss character possible.
>>739343886Came here to post Miss Toblerone, she's pretty much the Poochie archetype to a tee.
>>739353698I have never heard of this game.
Lightning
>>739352928>the next gameDoes WB even have any games in the pipeline after Lego Batman? I think Netherrealm staff are just twiddling their thumbs, waiting for the announcement that the studio is closing.
>>739343304Haha...
The fact Ubisoft killed her off due to complaints of how unlikable she was within just three games was honestly surprising. They even needed to bring in a crackhead Rebecca and Shaun just so you tolerate her segments.>>739338962What? Nefer doesn't fit the Poochie character at all. She's constantly in the background, relegates half her tasks to Jahoda, either fails to do something or doesn't want to risk doing something because of the risk, and outside of her rivalry with Yelan is mostly off in the background unless Lauma needs her. Most people only need her help when it's actually dire and she's willing to care about helping Nod-Krai without repayment because it serves some secondary goal for her.
>>739353470I would've bought a Proto Man DLC for 11 the same way they handled it in 9.You'd think that would've been a simple, profitable thing to do.
>>739337193Wuk Lamat
>>739337193Axl outright replaced X as the main playable character in Mega Man X7. You had to unlock the ability to play as X.
>>739350764>whose entire fucking thing is being unattractive next to ZeldaThe fact they killed Mipha off so they could put him with Zelda in BotW and TotK bothers me like nothing else because I could not care less about Zelda. Same deal with not letting him get with Paya or Riju, it's so stupid. I do not like BotW/TotK Zelda and you have made three objectively better girls so why are you shoving this character I don't care for down my throat? Even Link barely cared in BotW outside of his duty.>>739353908The Lost Legacy. Instead of Chloe teaming up with Charlie which would make the most sense since we hadn't seen him since 3 she instead teams up with a war criminal (Nadine) that the game then tries to prop up as not as bad as we thought as she was in 4 while also sliding Sam in there to be the butt of their "jokes" and constantly get insulted. Chloe is even constantly deriding Nate or Sully to Nadine and it's irritating.
>>739345689He didn’t even do anything other than debut in a shit game
>>739354189If he’s playable in Overdrive I want him to be like he was in Powered Up where he’s nonsensically strong but dies to a gust of wind.
>>739351258He can also turn invisible in the comics
>>739352928She’s gonna be the new Shinnok
>>739353305Finding out they just gave Amara her scenes in 4 makes a lot of that last mission make sense.
When everyone is a poochie in Guild Wars 2, no one else.
>>739347067>The black in Halo 5Who?
>>739355221There’s a black Spartan in 5, I don’t remember his name.
>>739355221>>739355269https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxTfCTltUc
>>739339629More so Zavok is the Poochie of the series considering how Sega put him everywhere despite not many people carrying for him.
>>739340541Fujos love him and unfortunately they keep most Capcom IPs successful. The rest, particularly the western AA fans, either hate his guts or merely tolerate him.
>>739340348Its just them being edgy retards in the 00s. They get pissy about everything until they become full Something Awful, while gen y were going full on deviantart/myspece/rawr happiness mood.
>>739355221The MC that is hunting Chief.
Neyrelle in Diablo 4. The characters literally ask where she is/what she is doing every time she isn't on screen. She is also very poorly written.
>>739338432she has a fat ass so it's ok
What's the earliest Poochie you can think about? My mind comes to Raziel with how he snatched protagonist place with Kain for couple games.
>>739356408Elder god posting must cease. Don't you have pillars to coil around and drag down?
>>739343304Decided to stop holding back
>>739351378That's a lot of lines.
>How’s it poppin?
>>739344843I didn't like Sea of Stars either but to be fair, Garl was easy to have stand out when the two main OCs had the personalities of tissue paper.
>>739337275>bubsyI don't think Bubsy really counts in this context. Because the 'Poochie' concept comes from a new character designed to appeal to a wider audience that gets shoveled into an older property. Bubsy was the star of his own game.
>>739352968>These niggersThe Rabbids were the OG Minions years before Despicable Me was ever a thing. They were spun out of Rayman.
>>739355139>Remember these guys?!>Uh, no?>Exactly. They are your best friends and confidants now, because we say so.>But what about my actual confidants and friends that fought beside me during->Fuck you!I will never understand Arenanet.
>>739337193Blizzard had Kerrigan and Sylvanas
>>739357164Sylvanas doesn't count because there were unhinged people obsessed with her before the WoW even existed and then some. They were pandering while simultaneously ruining an otherwise liked character to no one's benefit, not "injecting an unknown character out of nowhere that takes the spotlight and everyone must ask about them."
shadow the hedgehog so aggressively fits the mold it's almost like it was a joke.I still cannot believe all the mid-late 90s kids completely failed to see this and instead fell in love with the character. I don't think i've ever seen a more inorganic character in my life.
>>739357227eh fair, what would you classify that archetype of "writer gets to write his waifu and creates an abomination"?
>>739337193LITERALLY all snoy furfag mascots.Trash, ratshit&stank, jack&ackster, spyro.
>>739357164you have no idea what this thread is about.
I hate to admit itbut my wife might be a poochie
>>739353223>literal antagonist>nobody in the game likes her, her partner betrays her, she loses her merc group, and has to reform herself to surviveHow the hell is Nadine a poochie in UC4?
>>739357292Mental illness. In this case unironically. There are many characters in WoW that were ruined by incompetence or lack of care (See: Anduin, Tyrande, basically every leader in the Horde except Gazlore and Lothremar), but Sylvanas' case was unironically just an unhinged man NEEDING to self-insert himself fucking his waifu and doing everything in his power to make sure nobody but him liked the bitch.Even in current redeemed Sylvanas situation she is "followed around by a spirit deeply familiar to her that says nothing, only watches her" everywhere she goes in the Maw.Mental. Ilness.
>>739356478Finally a reason to post thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k0TKfwnWKk
>>739337193https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheScrappy
>>739352664Where's Hope?We need Hope to solve the crisis in the Loop.Speak to Hope about the crisis.You need to help Hope.Speak with Hope again.Only Hope knows how to solve the crisis.
>>739337234How can it be reddit if it has le sneed?? Hmmmm check mate libtard.
>>739352968Its the anti-poochie. Background character that got overblown by the audience so hard it eclipsed the original IP.Poochie is a forced "how do you do fellow kids" by the company that falls flat. A forced meme if you will.
Raiden literally Poohie'd the fuck out of Metal Gear Solid 2.
>>739357868Thanks for posting this.Also Bowser Jr is the most Poochy / Scrappy character in video games
>>739337534She doesn't show up as a phantom thief until the casino dungeon, and doesn't officially join the team ever, as far as I can recall.
>>739353223she's literally the only villain that wins in the whole franchise too. if you eventually beat her in a boss fight nobody would complain, but she gets away with everything, gets the treasure and then gets to star in the dlc alongside the actually popular badass girl.also no matter what, it makes no sense for her to beat drake, dude was beating up 7ft tall mountains of muscles in the previous game and she even beats a 1 on 2 vs drake + his equally fit brother.
>>739357868Scrappy himself may qualify but the videogame characters listed are all stretching the definition
>>739341317>but people don't wanna seem "Ie racist" by disliking him so they just psyop themselves into saying hes profound characterThus goes against a narrative you hold.
>>739343472Funniest thing in RE6 is how if you beat all campaigns, every time you beat any of the campaigns, you'll get a post credit scene making the most obvious sequel bait in all of RE involving Jake. They really were expecting "Wesker's son" to be the most popular character ever.
>>739337193Yakumo
>>739340483Proto Man is more of an amalgamation of Racer X and Char than a Poochie since Mega Man is inspired by older anime anyways. Axl might be closer to Poochie if we're talking about Mega Man.
>>739337193Can a whole continent count as Poochie?
>Ciri needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine>And whenever she's not on screen all the characters should be asking "Where's Ciri?"
>>739359749that's how i always felt about her, but everyone seems to love her.
>>739359749To be fair I think this also was the case in the original book series.
>>739355123>Ava died on her way to Borderlands 4I'm still got it in my mind that she was the reason sancturary even crashed, regardless of the shitty reason they gave in 4.
>>739337297Pretty much, yes. Its kind of hard to pick specific examples because its not unheard of for games ro be remade and then they add a character no one likes. Resident Evil has a few: Steve Burnside, the Wesker guy from 6, grown up Rose, and so on. They generally dont get hated as much as Poochie, but a number of fans would agree they didnt need to exist or were badly delivered.Krystal is what I would think would apply for a Nintendo IP.
>>739354314To be fair the entirety of X7 felt like a poochie.
>>739340543It is
>>739359972It really was. Whats even funnier is that both the book where she starts time-traveling (The Tower of the Swallows) and "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show" both came out in 1997
>>739357868He's more of a thing that simply wouldn't go away for quite some time.
>>739355139I was just thinking about them. Christ that 2as horrible.
I feel like a lot of playable characters from hero shooters and companions from modern RPGs (especial BioWare) have this Poochie energy in a sense that devs really try to make them seem like coolest mfs.
>>739350764The key point of a Poochie is that the audience rejects it and its quickly put away. People fucking love shipping Link and Zelda.
>>739337193It was a good thread idea OP, but you forgot the /v/ retardationanyways, Athena Cykes in AA5 is a very good example, literally every character in that game praises her skills to hell and back even though she barely does anything and just fucks up the entire plot
>>739359749Came here to post this. Absolute fucking Mary Sue.>>739359972>To be fair I think this also was the case in the original book series.Shut the fuck up, you Redditor piece of shit. Everyone with internet access knows that the author is a total hack at this point.
>>739360035this looks like a random sfw character design someone who predominantly draws gay porn would make
>>739357868Poochie is like the middle point of a venn diagram between The Scrappy and Creator's Pet
This fucking thing
>>739338432How come I never see people here complaining that much about Rivet?
>>739361452>Shows up only in 1 game>creators mock it and dislike it>A Poochiethis isn't a thread for "THIS CHARACTER SUCKS". It's for shitty characters that were shilled by the creators
>>739340261>cynderThat's a bad example, if anything cynder is the only standout character from the lame side cast of Spyro the dragon
>>739338962If we are covering gacha, then add chinese Miyabi from ZZZ. She is even your CF apparently, despite it not making any sort of sense.
>>739361518Because she is cute.
>>739361518Rivet actually looks like she's in the same setting as Ratchet. New Tawna looks like Tumblr OC next to rest of the cast.
>>739361749River is basically Blaze.A female version of the MC from an alternate universe.Not a random Feminist power fantasy.The most Woke thing about her is that they decided not to give her human breasts from the orignal design.
>>739337193Dunno if Yakumo from NG4 count. His entire existence is to introduce the weapon morphing mode, while Ryu is basically the god mode of NG4. But at the same time, its very explicit that he is weaker than Ryu. The latter is basically worshipped in game.
>>739337373this
>>739361518Because she's fine. She doesn't take away from the story, she's presented with her own faults, and most of the game is her learning to get over herself while teaming up with Kit.
>>739343605Axl was perfectly fine and his problem was that x7 introduced him.
>>739357365She is more of a creator pet.
>>739339565I don't know why people always point to Marie when you can just skip all her content by not interacting with her.>B-but her poemsThere's a skip button, use it.
>>739355521His design is just so fucking ass. He looks like a cheap rubber doll in some dollar store grab bag.
Since Blaze was mentionned, its very surprising how she is not a poochie in her entry game.Meanwhile, Silver....
>>739361715And Tawna is sexy.
>>739362164Is Silver a Poochie? I never played Sonic, but since he seemed to just be furry Future Trunks, I figured he would be about as popular.
>>739362316He felt like one to me. He had this "ow the edge" feel, not even in a fun way, and stomped Sonic whenever they fight.>ITS NOT USE.But then, he was a character for Sonic 06.
>>739362316>>739362442Silver is popular with fans regardless, so hard to qualify him as a poochieif anything, Infinite is closer to a poochie since nobody likes him and fans only use him to mock him
>>739352262My favorite of the siblings in these games was Takumi, because it makes sense to be suspicious and bitterBut yeah I don't give a shit about the others
>>739362610>Silver is popular with fans regardless, so hard to qualify him as a poochieDid they play Sonic 06?
>>739361749Wasn't female Lombaxes already established in previous games to be taller and tail-less in comparison to males?
>>739362941Yes. Oh yes they have. Sonic fans are extremely autistic and often defend awful shit if it has a ""kino"" plot
>>73935974910/10Too accurate.
>>739337193Starlight glimmer. But she's based as fuck, actually
>>739361518Because waifufags with shit taste
>>739338432>>739355845She has a fat cock so it's okay*Ftfy
>>739359749Since we have a book character here, I'll say that any successors to Spider-man are mary sues.Mayday, Miles, that girl from Renew your Vow, you name it.
>>739337673Based retard
>>739362610I like Infinite. Not in a mocking way either. He appeals to my immature linkin park edge.But I don't think he applies since he only existed for one game where he promptly dies offscreen (which I guess is pretty Poochie). Wasn't even in Shadow Gens since he's more of a villain for the Forces avatar and isn't in TSR or Crossworlds since they have to be ""canonical"" so dead characters are excluded.Silver's game fucking sucked, he's ugly and lame, added confusion over Blaze, and shows up despite not having a reason to. However he's also "relatively" popular so I guess.The real Poochie is what that other guy posted before. Fucking Zavok. No one likes that fag or his game. One of the ugliest Sonic characters and doesn't even look like a Sonic character, yet he still gets around somehow.
>>739363445>One gameYes, but he shows up in other media too.
>>739340971>EXAGGERATED SWAGGER
>>739363501Like what? The wiki just shows some mentions and a comedic comic, besides an initial Forces comicI guess there's the mobile games, but everyone's in those, even IDW
>>739362164While Blaze has become quite popular, her raccoon sidekick, her universe version of Tails, is largely forgotten. That's the really Poochie .
>>739364037Marine was annoying, but she never felt poochie-ish. She is more of a annoying kid sidekick. Hell, I remember the cast basically dunking on her all of the time. >is largely forgottenBlaze's entire fucking dimension is forgotten. Thank for nothing Silver and Sega.
>>739364592>Blaze's entire fucking dimension is forgotten.Did it even have any other notable characters beside already mentioned Blaze and Marine, and Niga Eggman?
>>739360035true, his design and launch screamed poochie energy
this faggot
>>739364689I dunno, the Koala NPCs? The polar bear viking?But then again, its hard to care when they don't even use them lmao.
>>739361518Rivet isn't obnoxious garbage.
>>739337193EasyGet this bitch out of my sight
bonus points for being one both in story and gameplay
>>739337193I want ZUN to stop using this raccoon in any Touhou media for at least 3 years
>>739343382yeah if you strictly include "quickly gets axed" then the only answer is like... Zoroark, because holy fuck did game freak run back to shilling Lucario so fucking fast after they finished the Zoroark movie.
>>739341557Rosalina is like the opposite of a Poochie. she was instantly popular with the fanbase, and continued to only get supporting roles never starring in anything.
>>739364592>>739364689The biggest shame is that we didn't get that universe version of female Knuckles. Imagine the potential.
>>739337193Trahearne in guild wars 2Neyrelle in diablo 4Both committed the sin of making players feel like a support character. It is funny how writers end up killing off these shitty characters eventually, I get why they do it but it'd be better if these characters weren't written so poorly to begin with
>>739342235I refuse to believe they could make anything worse than marie. As long as the p5 girl isn't a tsundere she is automatically not as bad.
>>739337193Signature Heroes in RS3Especially the Raptor.
>>739340543luke is lame but he's not really controversial either at least not at this point. fans understand that every new game is going to have a one off posterboy that shares the limelight with the legacy cast. if capcom is still pushing him as the guy in sf7 or have him occupy ryu's spot as the main legacy character then you'd get poochy hate.
>>739337193>Reboot the MW series>Takes over the entire plotBitch was the Rey of CoD.
>>739337297>What's even the criteria?Games you don't like.
Tyrael from Dickblow 3 onwards.
>>739366217>they girlbossed fucking CoDAmazing, glad I abandoned the series after the first Black Ops.
>>739337193i believe this was my first poochie experience
Crash 4 Tawna is a blatant one
>>739365252Kind of a shame since lucario is fucking ugly but zoroark is alright. At least he won in the end since hisui zoroark is cool as hell with a unique typing while lucario gets two even uglier megas
>>739352857Portable was shit because it induced poochie syndrome into millions of AGPfags worldwide>where's feMC?
>>739337193Crash Bandicoot
>>739337193Sadie Adler
>>739366217>What's your name?>Rey. Rey "Soap" McTavish
>>739343620very little. basically a cherry on top. despite how much as the big companies pretend that criticism is just bigotry, it's often not the case at all
>>739350756oooo i hated his face.why the fuck am i playing as a monkey with down syndrome
>>739337335I still don't like Nero. The hair on his devil trigger and his ability to stop the other two bros just reeks of poochyism
>>739343886Eh, lighting is more of a creator waifu insert so it doesn't really count imo. A true poochie requires a level of cynicism imo.
>>739339629I love edgelord characters.
>>739337534Nah, she's actually in second place as the most popular persona girl.
>>739358201zammm
>>739337193that gorilla bitch form last of us 2 and miles
>>739365327Indeed. Man, I wish I had the confidence to make a Sonic Rush fangame with a cringe shitty friend that would be femKnuckle...
>>739361931X7 was probably the problem. He's better in X8 and CM but in CM he pretty much gets shafted by not getting the new stuff X and Zero got.
>>739359749Aside from her being OP as shit and soloing the entire trilogy's main threat off-screen, I hate that the third game in general completely removes any RP opportunities for her sake. First game had you play as an amnesiac Geralt who can lean towards either the establishment or the Squirrels or fuck over them both, same thing for the second game. Third game meanwhile only offers potential side-quests for the pro-witch side, the establishment are turned into cartoon villains, Squirrels got axed entirely, and Geralt's entire character revolves around finding Ciri. It feels jank how they only decided to insert her and Jennefer into the plot in the third game, rather than finding them being some more overarching objective through the series.
>>739340971I hate his design so fucking much.
>>739339781
>>739340971Spider-Man is the most poochie’d Marvel super.>Clone Peter>Black Peter>Girl Peter>Girl Peter #2
>>739337193Aloy.
>>739337193hope from fortnite
not really OC, but such a drastic redesign it might as well bedespite being pushed as the new Soap to Price, nobody cares about him, he gets overshadowed in each nuMW by literally everyone
>>739371363My boy Miguel is no poochie however. That's why they made him a dick in that Miles glazing movie.
>>739356720One of the most on-point examples in this thread.
>>739338741Fuck You!
>>739356720>What if the main character was a secondary character.His existence is hilarious.
>>739371898Fuck you!!!
>>739340784lucario actually landedeven zeraora, which as a gut feeling i'd call a poochie because he's mid as fuck, actually landed tooi don't think pokemon has any poochie because pokefags would eat shit out of masuda's asshole and call it perfect
>>739368053I think her being an attempt to recapture Cloud's popularity makes her eligible
>>739371964Fuck yoooouuuu!!!
>>739365430Sylvari in general should burn. Including the Pale Tree.
>>739371948More people would probably recognize Al as one of the biggest poochies in recent vidya if XDE didn’t have the sales wings of a concrete penguin.
>>739337856damn i hate forced popularity mons>gayass looking humanoid furry that is steel type because of awkward looking spikes on his retarded paws>robs us of a non-legendary fighting/steel type to this daygayest shit
>>739371987actually maybe melmetal fitsno one cared about that cunt
>>739366770Didn't they include trans operators as well?
>>739362610Give it time. Sonic autism will eventually mutate to pretend Infinite isn’t shit and that all the hate was manufactured dang, dirty trolls that don’t like Sonic.
Fairy type Pokémon
>>739372690Don’t necessarily disagree, but can you be a Poochie if millions of the fans are constantly masturbating to you?
>>739337193Wuk Lamat is literally poochie. Like homer describing poochie to that guy is literally their entire character.
The Poochy
>>739337193Kiriko definitely ticks some of the boxes.>gets introduced as part of a big rebrand (Overwatch 2)>is blatantly designed by the producers to be popular and appeal to a large amount of people (young skinny asian woman)>was plastered all over the marketing material for the game>got haphazardly shoved into the storyline of a couple major characters and detracts from them in the process>half the characters act like she's the coolest person ever>has an obnoxious personality that makes most people hate her>eventually got pushed aside as the devs start using Juno instead of her in their marketing
>>739371987Zoroark? It was meant to be Lucario 2, was given tons of attention in BW, and landed like an absolute wet fart and was quickly relegated to being a forgotten shitmon.
>>739373054Zoroark is probably the most on-point choice for a “Poochie” that Pokémon has due it’s very existence being an attempt to distill and recapture Lucario hype from a very corporate perspective.
>>739337193Lightning becomes this. The original 13 had a sort of ensemble cast even switching perspectives to show someone very far away from Lightning. 2 is partially a quest to find Lightning. Luckily, it doesn't work. The last game is called Lightning Returns, like they assumed everyone was in love with her and chomping at the bit for more Lightning content.
>>739356720>Xfags speculate about the lone hero for 10 years>When he finally appears they get butthurt he rightfully replaces boring girlboss Elma
>>739373054i feel like it didn't land poorly enough, people like it it's just not as big as lucario was (tall order) even though it was clearly trying to recapture that, same with zeraora
>>739373183Huge "hey listen" aura from this one.
>>739337234This. I’ve barely watched any fucking simpsons episodes, and there’s a much better trope for this called the 'scrappy' character. It’s basically the same shit and it’s explained much better.
>>739372820Isabelle is the opposite of a Poochie. Only people deep within the AC community dislike her, and they're a small minority to people who do like her. Furthermore to like AC as a grown male adult is already putting you at a disadvantage socially.
>>739368369Where did you get the impression that Poochie is popular from?
Are Raiden, Nero and Yakumo really poochies when David, Dante and Ryu are shown to be 100% their superiors?
>>739373398A Scrappy is more of a corporate attempt to breathe life into a propertyA Poochie is more of when a creative thinks his shitty, retarded new character is the coolest thing ever and tries to make them the most important thing in the property
>>739359972>>739359749Vilgefortz felt like some dipshit's wizard OC too
>>739373869In the episode, Poochie was a corporate mandate created by demographics polling and one of the creative types got fired for questioning it, leading to the rest just accepting the imposition and autopiloting through its inclusion.
>>739373869so... basically the same thing? the poochie episode is literally a parody of scooby doo's scrappy.
>>739374003I suppose it’s been a while since I’ve seen the episode. Specifics are a bit hazy.
>>739373639Are you stupid? That's the point I'm making. Sumire can't be a Poochie since she is popular and has appeared in other games.Marie is the unquestionable Poochi of Persona.
>>739372224Salads ruin every cutscene they're in, can't stand them.
In the RPGs and in the Platformers.The species as a whole, not just Blue Toad.
You do know that Homer tries to save Poochie by pointing out the fact that the creators could make him work if they've put the effort. It was both a parody of executive mandated addition and the fans rejection of any sort of changes?
>>739337335Dual Destinies salvaged people's opinion of Apollo in Japan
>>739352343I feel like half the cast in any given Mortal Kombat game are poochies these days. I mean, the whole premise of Mortal Kombat really lends itself to it. It has to constantly renew its edginess every generation.
>>739337193aloy from horizon
>>739352421Klee is one of the funnest characters and the reason the cast keeps talking about her when she's offscreen is because she's a terrorist.
>>739374513You could say that for any character. Sometimes it doesn't matter because their design sucks or people have it ingrained into their heads that the character is beyond salvation. For example Silver the Hedgehog. Sure you could cultivate some tolkien level writing and give him some amazing character arc that makes Sonicfags act like their IP is still good but who gives a fuck?
>>739374743Fuck you man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJF9puz0ko
>>739374927But it DOES happen. They've turned Raiden from a bishie that everybody, including Kojima, made fun of into a badass cyborg. And who hates MGR?
>>739375267Does it happen? Yeah but those are outliers. They aren't the norm. Sometimes its an even more precarious situation when the character is designed by corporate committee like Miles Morales.
>>739347347Highly erotic.
>>739337193This fun loving dude meister
>>739343828Except they're quadrupling down on him instead of sending back to his home planet.
>>739375361>designed by corporate committee like Miles Morales.Nah, that wasn't corporate committee, that's just Bendis. I can actually prove it too, since he actually tried to do Miles! Twice even!Turns out everybody think they suck when they are not under the Spider-man brand boost.
>>739375267They learned to toe the line carefully with Raiden. He isn't the main character of a stealth game after MGS2. He appears in some of the other games and is eventually the main character of an action game, but they didn't make MGS3 about Raiden sneaking into a facility taken over by terrorists.
>>739375857>Twice even!Are you referring to OG Ultimate Universe Miles and then Miles in 616 or in the video game? Or are you referring to a different character?
>>739350764>one of the most popular waifus of the past decade >Poochie
>>739368053The FFXIII series made me Cynical.
I feel like the term Poochies is over used. How many of you actually watched the episode? I sure didn't so that's why I am asking.>>739376804Nope, Ironheart and Naomi. The former was yet an attempt to give Iron Man his own Miles and the other was supposed to be the hot new DC superheroine.Ironheart was quickly decried as a major sociopathic asshole by both comics and MCU fans and Naomi got forgotten into oblivion.
>>739337373Yea I can stop reading the thread this is it
raiden wasn't created to replace snake, he was created because the story kojima wanted to tell in mgs2 required someone that was green and in a position to take orders from a representative of the us government. the colonel ai straight up doesn't work with snake's archetype after the end of mgs1.
>>739368369Makoto no. 1, as expected!
>>739377272The episode is about a cartoon that was basically Tom & Jerry getting a new character voiced by Homer. He's designed to be as cool as possible and seems to draw attention away from the characters that made the show popular in the first place. Homer makes even more demands of the writers to make the character more stereotypically cool. "Poochie" usually means a new character the staff seem to be promoting over the established characters, often more than the audience wants.
>>739340069Society as a whole has gotten noticeably more retarded so it's no wonder that it's more lenient towards Sonic
>>739377910Yeah, she is from the OG game, and obviously more people played the original first and didn't try Royal. If Sumire had been there from the beginning I'm 100% sure she would be the favorite.
>>739337193>>739337389>>739337398Mon hun world; Handler.
>>739337398This faggot
>>739377114I'm not a tendie, but Zelda threads on /v/ seem to be mostly about how every other romance option is better for Link and (you) than Zelda is.
>>739374190She isn't even confirmed for the remake and no screenshots of the cast have her so yes she is.
>>739337193Jak 2
>>739340069>generation with the lowest IQs in recorded history>loves Shadow the hedgehogHmmmm.....
>>739378397>on /v/There's your problem
Wuk is the closest example of an actual Poochie in gaming. It's hard to find pure ones due to how few long running story franchises there tend to be. There are potential Poochies like Jake Mueller but they usually don't reach the full criteria because the games they're in are shit due to no fault of their own or the franchise goes in a different direction for other reasons unrelated to their popularity and they just happen to not be relevant again
>>739341317>>739340971It's call White erasure you fags.Start using that term so we can end this disgrace.But yes miles is 100% a poochie.
>>739378461To be fair, we know almost nothing about the remake so you're just talking bullshit. P3R added new stuff as well so I'm sure Marie will reappear.
>>739375857Bendis has always been high up in Marvel. He is ironically "the guy" there and at DC.
>>739352625>implying anyone cares about baraka
>>739337534Nah she's not a Poochie. Not all shitty characters are Poochies.
>>739377272I'm a Marvel fan so I know about Ironheart. She's part of a wave of next gen legacy superheroes, caused by Miles' popularity in his original appearance in the Ultimate universe. Of all of them, Ironheart is far and away the least popular. Part of that is because she's an unlikable girlboss, part of that is because the Marvel Universe is already filled with precocious teenage supergeniuses, most of whom are better written. Marvel already even had a teenage black girl super-technological genius who built her own suit of power armor and had a much more likable personality in Lila Rhodes, but didn't use her because she was created by Ales Kot, the only writer ever fired from Marvel for being too big a SJW fanatic.I have no idea who Naomi is, though. What was her superhero name? Which white man was she meant to replace?
>>739337193>added halfway into an existing storyline just to act as a henchman for the main villain along with the other Beasts>got super popular because he's a tumblr sexy man>because of this he's the main villain of 4 chapters>shilled so badly he became the main villain of the new Saga >everyone has now had enough of the fucking clown
>>739373869I can see why people might confuse the two, considering the period where fred, daphne and velma were absent, and scrappy basically took over their roles.
>>739343304The fact that "Haha..." is such a meme means he's probably more successful than your average poochie
Mama / Lockne in Death Stranding.
>>739379319someone post the webm
>>739378990How did a cartoony Korean auto-runner about gingerbread men become... this?
>>739379319>>739379513>his smile and optimism gone
>>739379562Autistic people with really bad taste wanted more Undertale/Homestuck '2deep4u' bullshit with cutesy characters.
>>739378990>literally became louder, angrier, and gained access to a time machine>whenever he's not on m-screen characters ask "where's Shadow Milk Cookie?" what did they mean by this?
>>739379629that's not it
>>739379856They really should have stopped when they ran out of actual cookies and started making up deranged stuff like 'shadow milk' or 'cheese cookie'.
>>739379956They couldn't have named someone 'cheese danish' instead?
>>739379865
>>739377114Did you actually read my post? They rewrote the entire setting so Zelda would be infinitely more important and powerful and then made her the solitary thing resembling a romance option for Link. I don't care if you personally like the thought of Zelda and Link being together, she is absolutely a poochie.
>>739379562spin-off became popular and they wanted to introduce a new rarity type for the gacha
>>739380095there it is
>>739380105A Poochie is a character that is unpopular and rejected by the fanbase after the creator forces them. BotW Zelda isnt unpopular so she's not a Poochie. It doesn't matter what I like.
>>739380216A poochie doesn't require the character to be objectively "unpopular", only that they be much less popular than the creator acts. And let's be real, the last time people actually LIKED liked Zelda, as a character, to a degree that would warrant her being uplifted like this, was Spirit Tracks. And she's nothing like she was in Spirit Tracks. Most of her "popularity" comes from her being the default and not people being fond of her.
>>739380438it absokutely does you troglodytezelda is popular as shit too you're a delusional retard, the world does not revolve aeoung you nigga
>>739380438>A poochie doesn't require the character to be objectively "unpopular"
>>739379319I swear nobody in this thread understands what a Poochie is. The whole point of Poochie is that the creators thought it would be great but immediately acknowledged that the character was so universally reviled that they threw it in the trash and ceased acknowledging its existence completely. If it is a character that is still in the game, it’s not a Poochie. Poochie is like Seven from Married with Children - he’s in like five episodes and in the middle of the sixth he walks up the stairs and he’s never acknowledged as a character ever again. Not even a “died on the way back to his home planet”. I haven’t played WoW in years but according to wowhead you can go and look at this disgusting abomination right now in retail TODAY, which means Blizzard didn’t publicly and unequivocally admit their creation was so radioactive and horrible that it was unsalvageable and needed to be deleted from existence before it destroyed the franchise all by itself. That is what makes a Poochie.
>>739380518The fact is that a significant amount of the real fanbase does in fact reject Zelda. 80% or more of her supposed popularity comes from the amount of normalfags who have played BotW as their first and main game and can't conceive of a world where Zelda isn't simultaneously the most important character and the only real love interest for Link. She is a Poochie that happened to come fully to fruition at a time when the dedicated fans were about to be completely drowned out.
>>739353071Honestly I feel like every new, non Disney character introduced after KH1 is a poochi. They literally do nothing, all kind of suck and only mentioned when off screen, which is usually Sora asking where are they.
>>739337193the entirety of Mass Effect Andromeda, the last two Dragon Age games, both Destiny games, and Bioshock Infinite (excluding Elizabeth)
>>739357868Scrappy is an interesting one, because despite all the hate, when he was first introduced kids ate him up. He literally saved Scooby Doo from becoming irrelevant. That entire franchise owes Scrappy their success and instead he just gets endlessly shat on.
>>739381087Yeah, and people shit on Fire Emblem Awakening for amping up the shipping simulator elements of the franchise in spite of the fact that it saved the franchise when it first came out too. A thing can be popular and still have massive objective flaws.
>>739381087there are 2 reasons for this:1. within a few years after his first appearance in the late 70s he very rapidly overshadowed and dominated the presence of the franchise, going so far as to replace entire major cast members such as Velma and Fred, and at some points even Shaggy, Daphne, and a few times even Scooby himself - it was very literally a "Poochie" situation because the "Scooby-Doo show" became entirely about Scrappy's self-aggrandizing antics at the expense of everyone else2. a lot of it is neckbearded manchild Whedon-esque disdain for sincere childish enjoyment, so it becomes a shibboleth among the "respectable" crowd to mock Scrappy regardless of his appearance or purpose (such as 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo or The Reluctant Werewolf, which were phenomenal) - they don't actually watch cartoons, and in fact it's entirely possible they never did and are just repeating mantras to "fit in" as "enlightened connoisseurs" of cheap Hanna-Barbera cartoons
>>739359749Ciri works better as a child since she's constantly trying to prove herself. As she gets older she does become annoying.
>a poochie has to be universally hated except by its creator>a poochie has to be so hated the creator is actually convinced to drop himThese are fantasy things that only happened because it was The Simpsons. There is not one piece of real media on earth that will mirror these exact elements of Poochie. There is no character horrible enough for every tasteless normalfag to hate them, and there is no response negative enough to change the course of the average developer. Applying these standards to real life creates a world where there are no real poochies.
>>739338862I played the 3DS version of Strange Journey and that new bitch from that is a perfect exampleThe first time she showed up I was like wtf is this, despite not having played the original (at that point)She clashed so much with everything else, I knew she had to be the shoehorned character
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>>739359749I would've liked Ciri a whole lot more if you didn't have to play as her during the main story, just having her serve as a McGuffin for Geralt to be on the lookout for should've been all of her involvement.
>>739382456This thing was 100% intended to be a Sith Lord in a big shocking reveal but they scrapped the idea because of the hate and backlash.
>>739381579Specially too because this fucker exists and holy shit is he a poochi and even fucking worse than Scrappy. I can't even believe they tried to resurrect him in the 90s live action movies.
>>739382456Dumb kids like Jar Jar enough that his presence in the Prequels has at least some veneer of justification. And he wasn't removed or written out, his intended role was scaled down.
>>739378952>I have no idea who Naomi is, though. What was her superhero name? Which white man was she meant to replace?I shit you not, Naomi was her superhero name. And she didn't replace someone for once, she was just there too show Bendis' "genius".
>>739360035>How do you do fellow zoomers.
>>739360035Before there was Luke, there was Juri. They pushed her really hard during the sf4 days. Luckily they toned that down by 5.
>>739382171Hell, I read a synopsis and it seem like Poochie was pushed by the editorials and then Homer, but no one else was stocked by that character.
>>739380727Heres a real Poochie.
>>739340069The only time people disliked Shadow was when he had his own shitty game that left a sour taste in everyone's mouths for years.
>>739383324Juri was somewhat popular (99% because of porn) but it's true that she was forced really hard and this caused rejection by everyone who wasn't thinking with their dicks
>>739383308Interesting, I've never heard of her, but she's even gotten her own TV series.As for Bendis, he's a top-notch writer of street level stories and superheroes. His independent work like Goldfish was great; his street level hero comics like Jessica Jones or Ultimate Spider-man (and Miles first appearance) is quite good. But now he's a big name, and he gets to write what he wants, and what he wants is to write cosmic-level heroes while stuffing his increasingly boring OCs into them. And he can't write comsic-level stories for the life of him.The only interesting part of his Superman run that I read was showing the precautions successful, clever street level criminals in Metropolis take so they don't attract Superman's attention.
>>739340876He was the second protagonist, but he didn't get the poochie treatment. The rest of his squad actively disliked him because he was a black ops spy and they knew his job was to do the nasty dirty work they wouldn't do. If the cast were talking about anyone constantly while they were offscreen, it was Cortana, and she's hardly a poochie either.
>>739337193Donte
>>739362164>Since Blaze was mentionned, its very surprising how she is not a poochie in her entry game.>Meanwhile, Silver....Blaze was a poochie, she made everyone console her tantrums stupidly and she beat everyone up in her entry game.and became "best friends" with Sonic universe characters while forgetting mostly about Marine. Blaze getting mostly forgotten in the series after Rush adventure is her "I must go" part of poochie.
>>739343304Poochhie was never at the top of popularity listshaha...
>>739372820Popularity doesn't save you being a Poochie. If that was the case and people needed to be verbatim poochies, mostly everyone here wouldn't qualify since they weren't immediately removed from the series. Isabelle basically replacing Rover is a poochie attribute (new character uprooting an long established series).
>>739380727The whole point of a Poochie (or a Scrappy, if you will) is that it's a character designed to be "cool and interesting" in order to appeal to a modern audience, but it ends up being unintentionally obnoxious and annoying to the point that fans hate it. as a result it leads to low sales/poor ratings, and the devs then somehow 'remove' the character and never mention it again in an attempt to repair their reputation. that's it.Nobody fucking cares how accurate and specific it has to be. I don't even watch that retarded episode or the show, and I still understand what the entire trope is about. this type of character doesn't necessarily have to die. most of them they can simply continue to exist, get retconned, or just be totally ignored for a long-ass period of time. a good example of this is Cato Sicarius from W40k
>>739380095this would be shit animation kino if used on anything else but a gay dyke fight
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>>739353071Aqua is like the opposite of a Poochie. A shitty bland character that the fanbase eats up because a girl doing things is enough of a personality for them. Even Nomura was surprised by the demand for her.
>>739353071>>739380853>>739386957I can't see another candidate being made for KH's premiere Poochie other than Roxas>Is introduced as the initial player character in the next mainline game, not a spinoff/prequel>Is literally Sora but cooler and edgier, his 'missing half' which is two steps removed from being a dark counterpart like Shadow>Wields TWO Keyblades by default and is the first one to do so, and they're the most powerful non-Ultima keyblades from the first game>Sad/tragic backstory and arc>After he disappears literally everyone in KH2 is asking 'where's roxas?'>Supposed to disappear at the end of his game but keeps coming back, if not through spinoffs or Ven being a clone then being revived
If Poochie came out today (and simpsons wasn't a nuclear graveyard for has-been showwriters) there'd be a deluge of contrarians calling him the best character
>>739361630Retard.
>>739361630>>Shows up only in 1 game>>creators mock it and dislike it>character practically removed>>A PoochieThat's literally the most accurate definition of a poochie.
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>>739375754Because the Poochie meme is not about what happened to Poochie, it is what Homer said should be done with Poochie. Which is exactly what they did with Miles Morales. In every single scene after Peter finds out he exists, if Miles is not there, 1 of the characters, whether it is Peter, Aunt May, MJ, or even the police bitch, has to mention Miles Morales, how great he is, how concerned they are for him, and how they hope he is ok. You would think Miles Morales was the only person to ever have suffered loss to a super villain with how he gets shoe horned into every aspect of the narrative from that point forward, even during sections where there is no reason to mention him at all.Spider-man 2 quadrupling down on Miles Morales just makes him even more of a Poochie.
>>739387924You're gay
>>739388940I'm not gay if I'm attracted to the female aspect of twinks. Hole's a hole
>>739339668yeah its legit annoying how rotom has been the pokedex for like 10 games now
>>739388279>Because the Poochie meme is not about what happened to Poochie, it is what Homer said should be done with Poochie.the meme is only famous and notorious for the line "Poochie died on the way to his home planet." not for that. No matter how much people dislike him, I don't think miles is going to die anytime soon anyway, because marvel has a nigger fetish and its retarded fans unironically like miles.
>>739383119>Dumb kids like Jar Jar enoughMaybe I went to a smart school because I was a dumb kid in middle school when that movie came out and nobody liked Jar Jar. To this day I still don't know who was Jar Jar suppose to appeal to.
>>739361981>There's a skip button, use it.It's literally the definition of a forced additional character nobody wanted. You can skip all the dialog in the game, but suddenly it's "Oh Atlus didn't actually care and didn't try to make you interact with her!" because you can use the mechanic when her emo poems are forced on screen? Or how about how 90% of the additional content is about her? She's the clearest example of vidya Poochie.
>>739378246this just confirms persona 5 fags have shit taste
>>739337193Rosalina, and both Serena and Hex Maniac from Pokemon XY
>>739378816but all self insert into an existing story are poochies
>>739338451if she wasn't a mandatory to unlock the final palace, i wouldn't have bother with her
>>739350886i mean, the characters in SMT5 barely had anything worth discussion. so she wins by default because at least there's something to see from her.
>>739340971Good answer
What was the plot of the Simpsons episode?I only remember the end scene with "Poochie gets sent back to his home planet".
>>739391480Itchy and Scratchy's ratings are falling and the execs think that what is needed is to introduce a new character.Homer gets the role of Poochie and continually tries to make Poochie have a bigger and bigger role in the show despite everybody hating him from the get go.He gives a big speech about giving Poochie a chance and the execs applaud him and then when the episode actually airs it's the "I must go to my home planet" and Poochie dies in place of Homer's heartfelt speech and all the viewers cheer.
Do these fuckers count?
>>739361981Unless they changed it in the later versions you literally cannot skip the poems. I tried every time.
>>739391758No, they're universally loved and were given more of the spotlight since so many players like them.
>>739391614lmao thought he was a character people irl hated
>>739392036The whole episode is a joke about how forcing new characters into established shows doesn't work because apparently Fox had asked the writers to do just that.Alongside Poochie, there's another character Roy who lives with the Simpsons who they act like he's been there the entire time.
>>739392036It was written to mock the idea of trying to add a brand new character to the Simpson household, which is something braindead Fox executives have allegedly tried to pressure the writers to do.
As far as I knew, "Poochie" was supposed to be this cool rad guy, created by old folks who are totally out of touch with young people.Personally, I've never seen anything like it in any game I've played.Maybe the closest thing I can think of is the theme of Forza Horizon 5, which tries to be super cool and modern but was clearly created by a bunch of retards who have no clue what car enthusiasts are really interested in.
>>739387060The difference is Roxas is cool and people like him
>>739337193Not vidya but still related to vidya game franchise but this bitch right here from the Digimon Tri movies.>whole character was introduced very late into a franchise >feels forced into being with the old previous main cast>also just happens to have a powerful digimon that just happens to have the power to have all the powers because fuck you>everyone's attention is always focused on her>literally meme'ing "whenever she's not on screen, old cast is always asking where she is">her only character quality is crying and moping>entire old cast will bend over backwards just to please her mopy self>somehow ends up with the MC from the old castTHIS is what a poochy is. You know you burned bridge when the OC doughnut steel gets with the main character of your franchise.
>>739337373>>739339565>>739359749>>739341746only real examples ITT
>>739392592Refer to >>739385597>Popularity doesn't save you being a Poochie
>>739392429You sort of get it. A "poochie" is a character stapled on to an existing series that doesn't add anything. They usually come from executives looking for a ratings boost, or sometimes a rogue creative making a Mary Sue mouthpiece/lover.
>>739361518Because no one played her gameAlso people did shit on her retard
>>739337193the clown girl from nortubel
>>739344134>>literally everyone from 4ATrue. But 4A is not a rerelease, it's a "what if" scenario to 4's neutral route
>>739356720Terrible. How about you?
>>739343886Saying "there are 3 XIII" games is absolutely tame with how hard they tried forcing XV. As funny as it seems, she's a firework compared to Noctis's shill run who has like 20 spin-offs, a bad anime, and SPIRITS WITHIN TWO BABY
>>739356408Zero, he's cool but he's so blatantly forced. He isn't X's Protoman, he's X's Poochie. Even Bass has some similarities to Zero but they at least had restraint with him and Rock
>>739392850except for wuk lamat, no one really hates those characters
Some of my choices were already said.
>>739387138kek
Sonic himself Poochie'd his own series multiple times if you think about it (Modern Sonic 1998, Nu Classic Sonic 2011)
>>739395085That's not a poochie that's a developer's pet.
>>739395475>no one hates Lightning or Marie
>>739391995Nobody hated lightning
>>739395085Because Con Man wanted Zero to be the edgy contrast to "nice guy" X. Just a cooler, pointier red Mega Man with a sword to juxtapose "Mega Man but a teenager"
>>739395085If you look at Zero in the aspect of the SNES trilogy what would actually change if he was a 100% Cain creation like Sigma? No virus or Wily autism shit that was introduced when the series hit Playstation and Saturn
>>739392882>Uh, sure. My example might not fit two thirds of the definition but I'm gonna use the term anyways.Just say "popular character that I don't like" you dumbfuck contrarian. It's not a fucking Poochie if people like it.
>>739398754>It's not a fucking Poochie if people like it.Then 90% of the characters posted in this thread are not Poochies and this has been a colossal waste of time
>>739383104if you don't fuck with The Great Gazoo then you can't fuck with life
>>739399553Yes, people dont know what they're talking about. Just like every /v/ thread. This was already pointed out.
