>The SDV European Citizens Initiative was debated early this morning during a plenary session of the European Parliament in Strasbourg with the participation of the European Commission.>Support was overwhelming, with some political groups in support of SKG without major reservations such as S&D Group, represented by Sandra Gómez López, with personal support from Joanna Scheuring-Wielgus, Idoia Mendia Cueva, Tiemo Wölken, Maria Grapini, Vytenis Povilas Andriukaitis, and Marcos Ros Sempere; Renew, represented by Nikola Georgiev Minchev, with support from Cynthia Ní Mhurchú and Lukas Sieper; the Greens/EFA, represented by Markéta Gregorová, with support from Maria Karoliina Ohisalo, Reinier van Lanschot, Catarina Cordeiro Vieira; and The Left, represented by Leïla Chaibi. Some political groups were in support of SKG while arguing for a balanced approach, such as EPP, represented by Pablo Arias Echeverría, with support from Marion Walsmann and Dóra Dávid; ECR, represented by Piotr Józef Müller; and ESN, represented by Milan Uhrík, with support from Marcin Sypniewski. Also in support were some non-attached members such as Thomas Geisel and Kateřina Konečná.
>>739350665Thanks, gemini. Next time notify me if something actually important happens
>>739350839Sorry but..... chuds won
>>739350665>paid for gamesso in other words, the vast majority of games at risk of getting killed wont have to change a thing?looks like the people that love shitty games lost!
>you don't UNDERSTAND, CHUD>it is physically impossible to build houses if the main support wall isn't rigged to blow up on our whims
"Wokeness and Aggresive microtransactions are killing our video games"youtube.com/watch?si=O9Inq8bX46YMGBZA&v=eUTJcBsW2vs&feature=youtu.be
>>739351181F2P games with microtransactions are also covered by this.
>>I demand the right to play The Crew and other live service dogshit for the rest of my life!
>>739351290which is stupid because the whole point there is the microtransactions.with the company's servers down, you dont get your overpriced pixels.
>>739351276>I demand the right to play The Crew and other live service dogshit for the rest of my life!
>>739351336>with the company's servers down, you dont get your overpriced pixels.I will now. Thanks Ross Scott
>>739351363>retard makes up an argument nobody made to insert as the 'movement's argument' so he doesn't have to argue against the real onelollmaoevery singletime
>>739351426again, you wont.all that data is saved on the company's servers.your overpriced pixels will be gone and you'll just be messing around in a dead private server without your cosmetics because nobody plays GAAS slop for the actual game.
>>739351449
What exactly is the point of all these parliamentary sessions? It's just a procession of people repeating the same points every five minutes and hardly anyone ever responds to anything anyone else says. Is this supposed to be a debate? Is anyone even trying to come up with a solution? All I see is a lot of talking but very little listening and even less doing
>>739351503>all that data is saved on the company's servers.And thankfully do to SKG it will be saved on my hard drive when the servers go down.Thanks Ross Scott!
>>739351557again, you wontSTG is only about being able to play the game, its not about keeping access to shitty cosmetics.
>>739351503Name one example of a F2P game having it's official support end but players still able to play it due to end of life being adopted and players NOT being able to use their cosmetics. Give me literally just one example Jew.
>>739351557It won't. You can basically have all the skins on the server and keep them there when ending service.
>>739351629>>739351691see >>739351637I can name several examples of F2P games having their official servers going down but still being able to access the cosmetics.Can you name one example of this not being the case?You are Jewish btw
>>739351637>Name one example of a F2P game having it's official support end but players still able to play it due to end of life being adoptedthis has never happened so >and players NOT being able to use their cosmeticsis impossible to prove as a consequence.>>739351730go ahead, list them.and it better not be>no but see we simply modded the game to let you choose any cosmetic you want
>>739351781>this has never happened soThere have been multiple examples of F2P games getting player support after the official support ended. All examples have them keeping their cosmetics.You are a stupid jew
>>739351857ok, are you going to list them?
>>739350665What actually happened to Ubisoft's The Crew?Can you still play it?
>>739351730That's just a choice. SKG wasn't really made with non-cunt devs in mind
>>739351637https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/
>>739351880>>739351781Dirty BombChivalry: Medieval WarfareEvolveLoadoutKike btfo
>>739351880>>739351781>>739351691>>739351629>>739351503>>739351336>>739351181Why is this lying kike doing this? The SKG debate has specifically mentioned F2P microtransactions counting as player owned multiple times.This is just another example of paid jeets lying.
>>739351925it got shut down because nobody was playing it.picrel is the month before it got shut down
>>739351925Yes. Fans brought it back
>>739351925>always online game>publisher shuts down servers>money stolen
I can't wait for SKG to win just so the Amerimutt golems, Jeet shills, and Jew money men seethe.
>>739352040>cant get the licensed crossover cosmetics from the online version because of licensing issues>that you can mod in yourself anywayThis is the best example you can do?
>>739352070More examplesKnockout CityBattleriteSpellbreakRumbleverseMultiVersus Battleborn
SKG is like if you demanded human feces be tested for HIV before allowed to be served in restaurants.
>>739352218>This is the best example you can do?Sorry. I'm not that Anon and I don't even play f2p games :(
>>739352261>>739352070All dogshit games that are better off dead
>>739352380>better off deadNot your decision to make, kike
If you are wondering, the reason Jews are seething at SKG is because it has bigger implications than just games. Many modern cars now need connections to company servers to run. We have already seen examples of cars getting bricked when the servers stopped working. Jews want to be able to brick your car, house, ect whenever they want. It is ultimate kike control. SKG is literally the only thing that can save us as a society.
>>739351262Idiot bought by the games industry to muddie the waters and associate SKG with chuds. "They" did the exact same thing with Occupy Wall Street
>>739352448> Jews are seethingsource? only seething people seem to be murricans and turd worlders
>>739352448This is why Chinks are pushing the Electric Vehicle meme by the way. China (and big companies and government in general) want to be able to track everywhere you go and shut you down at any moment.
>>739352506>Only people seething are their golems really nigga?
>>739351262>How to kill a movement 101: Bring up Identity politics and distract the sheep.
>>739352506Americans = jewsThe US has more jews than Israel, anon
>>739352448>Many modern cars now need connections to company servers to run. We have already seen examples of cars getting bricked when the servers stopped working.This is not an exaggeration, btw. >your vehicle cannot be driven
>>739352448The moment the first car bricking instances actually happen, they're going to pull it back because of massive consumer and voter backlash. Everyday people buy cars as reliable tools so if companies go out of their way to sabotage morning job traffic, thats going to be a massive scandal that is going to bury them.Why jews got to milk games for so long is because games are entertainment and not vital infastructure.
>>739352552so it's not da jews afterall>>739352649if you count everyone as a jew then i concede, they probably are seething
>>739352576This guy is just a random guy part of ESN, might as well be from Russia
>>739352675>massive consumer and voter backlashNope. Burgerland is such a dystopian shithole that consumers cant do anything because corporstes lobbied RTR into the fucking ground to the point its barely functional
>>739352040Doesn't fit the definitionGame was rereleased on Steam as an offline game and is most importantly still being sold, a game following SKG would just have inbuilt sunsetting + stop selling. Then maybe a separate version of the game with cut features would be sold due to legality, but the original version would still be yours
>>739351276You will own what you paid for, and be happy.
>>739352903You should be punished for paying for figurative shit in a box.
>>739352070>>739352261>dirty bombstill has developer item servers present to maintain access to items, and community servers were present before the decision to sunset.so the game is still being supported by the developers>chivalry MWas far as i can tell the item servers were shut down as wellso the player mod case.>evolvesunset completelyitem servers are gone.>loadoutsunset completelyitem servers are gone.>knockout citysunset completelyitems are only available through community efforts>battleritestill being maintained by the developers.>spellbreakeffectively just a developer mod that gives you access to everything.remember: the idea here was access to YOUR items, the ones YOU bought.but i'll count this as half a one since the developers did make a mod for one>rumbleversedoesnt even have reverse engineered fan servers.>multiversusfan mod to unlock items in fan servers, and you only had a four month window to claim your premium items for the offline version.i'll count this as half of one since you did have some time to claim your items>battlebornshut down completely.so you're 1/10 right now!
>>739352939>item servers are gone.>but the cosmetics are still fukly available and accessible offline>OK I COUNT IT FOR HALF A POINT EVEN THOUGH IT DOESNT COUNTJust look at the kike writhe, lel
>>739352675It's called boiling the frog. Gamer goy already see this as acceptable. Jews start with something small like games then work their way up. Goy cattle will accept it as they do with games as long as you introduce it with games and other things first.
>>739352939>Literally example has the cosmetics still be available to the player>B-BUT THESE DON'T COUNTLol Kike btfo
>>739352212Fuck you shill we're all united in this. You actually CANNOT divide us at this point.
>>739351629It sets precedent. If they can't shut my game down, they can't deny me the use of any digital products I paid for, including cosmetics.
>>739351629>STG is only about being able to play the game, its not about keeping access to shitty cosmetics.Reality>If consumers spent money on a game — including cosmetics, battle passes, characters, or other MTX — the game should not become completely unusable when official support ends.Lying kike
>>739352798>>739353065You're losing.
>>739352798>Last month John Deere got raped into the ground for trying this shit >But even so eurotards sit all around making shit up about Americans while ignoring the factsWhy are they like this........?
>>739353146Thankfully Ross saved us
>>739353150Mental Illness
>>739353040>>739353085>no no see it counts even though the terms were that the company gave you access to your cosmetics.and even if i were to count those as full points, thats still only 2/10. most examples listed for "these devs care about us, see?" dont even have fanmade servers.>>739353142where does this >If consumers spent money on a game — including cosmetics, battle passes, characters, or other MTX — the game should not become completely unusable when official support ends.say that you'll maintain access to premium cosmetics after end of service?it only says that you'll maintain access to the game.
>>739353170Not your hateful ass. We're getting out rights back.
>>739353146>>739353150see >>739352662Is it just mutt mentality to ignore shitnthat doesnt align.with their corporste programming or what? >John DeereThey've started appealing and lobbying the decision already, so......
>>739353261>>739353262if you want people to take your movement seriously you need to learn to spell.
>>739353259Lol this kike seething so hard.
>>739352448It's already happening for more volatile and smaller appliances, like IoT smarthome shit, service is being shut down and then gated behind new paywalls.They're also seething, because this runs counter to how a lot of enterprise software has done its business for the last 40 years, namely by buying out their competition and sunsetting their services until they're the only game in town again(special mention to Autodesk for being human garbage).
>>739353259The EU debate literally brought up cosmetics and keeping them. Every example listed allows you to keep your skins.You are trying so hard Pirate Cuckware
>>739353315>your examples are wrong and here's why>LOL SEETHING KIKE IM GOING TO GET SHIT FOR FREE FREEEE FREEEEEEEEEE!!!!
>>739353259>even though the terms were that the company gave you access to your cosmetics.Which they did by putting them in the offline version. A point you literally cannot deny>still cant provide any examples of his ownWhy are kikes like this?
>>739353150Isn't that just a temporary concession that they can change once the time is up?
>>739353354>Every example allows you to keep your cosmeticsWow so jew is seething yet again
>>739353386What's stopping them from losing again when they go for round 2?
>>739353349>Which they did by putting them in the offline versionagain, YOUR cosmetics, not all of them.if they just unlock everything its no different than community servers using a plugin to unlock everything.>Every example listed allows you to keep your skins. (and for you >>739353415)ok. how do i access the skins i paid for in rumbleverse, and how do i play rumbleverse.
>>739353262Your hatred has eroded your brain into a complete frenzy mush. People are winning yet this sends your chimpanzee-ass brain into seething, why? I just hope God shows you more mercy than the people around you.
>>739353436>UH YOU DON'T GET YOUR COSMETICS YOU GET EVERY COSMETICWow so its even better
>>739353436So I get to keep my cosmetics and get even more. Wow. You sure showed us Jew
>>739353434The fact that they can go for round 3and round 4 and round 10and over and over until the judges and their opposition give up
>>739353585wow so if i commit enough crime eventually they just give up and let me win
>>739353479>>739353538>no see, if i ignore the plainly stated conditions that means i win :^)right, im filtering SKG threads from now on.you niggers are genuinely retarded>see we HAVE to save shitty games that died for a reason>how do we do this? we'll simply give the government permission to meddle with our hobby however they please!>and cosmetics, well we'll simply force companies to give all of them to me for free! this'll definitely go in our favor against greedy companies.>huh? play better games? create fan servers? make plugins for items>REEEEEEEE THATS TOO HARD I NEED THE GUBBERMENT TO SOLVE MY PROBLEMS FOR ME!!!!
>>739353301>>739353462Why are you like this? You do realize not even the jew masters you're defendig so rabidly see you as people, right? You're disposable property to them.
>>739353685>Uh you don't get to keep your cosmetics you get to keep your cosmetics and all the others!Thanks Ross!
>>739353727sorry, i play good games. this means that jewish monetization tactics dont apply to me.try not getting scammed by GAAS slop next time?
>>739353680Exactly! It's why Epstien's little pedo ring are still walking the streets as free men
Is Ross first vidya youtuber to make an appearance on political stage?>mmo guy was there tooDoesn't count.
>>739353786One man was able to accomplish more than a thousand Gamer Gate Grifters did. Crazy to think about.
>>739353778There was no pedo ring since the youngest "victim" was 17 which is legal pretty much everywhere>but the imagined 7 year old victims that have never come forward and cannot be proven to have ever existed outside of schizo rambling
>>739351276It also applies to game that are force shut down despite being single player games.EX: any game with Denuvo where the Denuvo license is lost but the publisher doesn't remove Denuvo so your single player game is unplayable.
>>739353778There's no "pedo ring". conspiracy theorist retard. Even in all the emails that were shown there was nothing to be seen apart from Epstein himself being a greedy greedy man.
>>739353685This isn't what SKG entails. But you already knew that, didn't you.
>>739351503Then we'll just make a law stopping them from doing that. Why would you think otherwise?
>>739351181You win small wins and move to absolute domination of your idea by small steps. This isn't small step but this is right one to make sure that software will be owned properly.
>>739353768>just ignore it!See that's what I mean. Why should anyone tolerate indefensible jewish tricks in any capacity and not smite them on sight?
>>739353858>>739353984>It's a conspiracy! there was no pedo ring! There were no victims!Did Epstein commit suicide? Answer me, golems
>>739354118>no see i just HAVE to spend all my money on trash games that arent fun!>its simply impossible for me to play good games#PlayGoodGamesAgain
>>739353778Even funnier: The island got bought out and is being turned into an "adult resort".
>>739354258Anything but posting proof to support your claims regarding him.
>>739354258Show the emails proving anything. The only thing we found out is Prince Charles literally sold UK secret stuff to him.
>>739354259>No saar you play good games like me saarThen why are you so agitated about SKG uprooting jewish tricks you cant defend in games you dont even play?>NO SAAR SHUT UP SAAR BITCH BENCHOD SAAAAARRRR!!!!
>>739354384Wrong prince, you retard
I just love the whole "WHAT YOU WANT US TO KEEP THE SERVERS ON FOREVER?" argument. Even if it turns out to be 100% true (it's not) it doesn't change anything. It's like if a company was keeping prices down by using carcinogenic materials and the government forced them to stop. They can't just be like "NOOO IF YOU FORCE US TO USE NON-CARCINOGENIC MATERIALS WE'LL GO OUT OF BUSINESS". They put themselves in that situation, and it's no one's obligation to care what happens as a result of that. So yeah, if a dev sold a product that needs to be maintained eternally to keep running, well, they better hope they can find a way to change that.
>>739354398because you are giving the government permission to mess with my hobby however they want, which influences me infinitely more than some jew scam failing and all the scamed retards getting rugpulled.do you really think giving unchecked government known for overreaching the precedent to regulate hobbies however they please is a good idea?
>>739354372>>739354384>that cognitive dissonanceLolCome on cucks, it's a Y/N question. Did Epstein kill himself?>Prince Charleslmao dumbass
>>739354432>>739354476Keep seething. Still 0 argument. Also I'm not from the UK so all your princes are the same to me lmao.
>>739354507It's hard to engage with a retard with 0 attention span and no knowledge of facts
>>739354462>more than some jew scamKek so you admit to the existence of indefensible jewish trickery. That's a good first step.>giving unchecked government known for overreaching the precedentDo you really believe anyone is going to fall for this ancap fearmongering peddled by the same jews directly targeted by SKG?
>>739354462So your hobby making and publishing online games?
>>739354576You lost.
>>739354462I used to be an ancap like you. Then I realized people are retarded, especially niggers.
>>739354589>indefensible jewish trickeryextremely blatant jewish trickery.if you give your money to a machine labeled "the machine that steals your money", dont cry to daddy gubberment to>Do you really believe anyone is going to fall for this ancap fearmongering peddled by the same jews directly targeted by SKG?the current state of england refutes this point.>>739354624thats not what im saying.you're telling the EU government that its ok to fuck with your hobby however they please because you literally cannot help yourself>10 years from now>boot up unity>ERROR: you need a EU MANDATED GAME MAKING LICENSE to make games now>ERROR: you need to input government identification to make games now>this is so that you dont make something bad. you cant be trusted, you needed SKG to save you from your bad choices!>boot up steam>ERROR: you need a EU MANDATED GAME PLAYING LICENSE to play games now>ERROR: you need to input government identification to play games now>this is so that you dont play something bad. you cant be trusted, you needed SKG to save you from your bad choices!this is the future you're choosing with SKG.>>739354793and tell me, do you really think niggers dont deserve to get scammed?
>>739354686Not at all, I seem to be winning
Personally, I'm fine with The Crew shutting down after 10 years.
>>739354462>Scammed retardsThis effects every game that needs to phone home for authentication, updates, etc.>Invite the government mess with my hobbyThey already mess with your hobby, it's called copyright and the DMCA. The reason that publishers feel safe pulling this shit is because they have protections against circumvention, this just forces them to take responsibility for actions they have taken.
>>739354901>deflecting to offtopic shit after being wrong about right to repair>winning?
>>739354981copyright and DMCA are universal concepts, retard. or do you think that the only form of media is bideogame?
>>739354793>i used to believe in personal choice and accountability for one's actions,but now i lick goverment boot in order to force my belief system onto othersCongrats on your transition xixter, i guess..Mandatory goverment dilation stations and pronoun checks soon.
>>739354873>extremely blatant jewish trickery.And indefensible>if you give your money to a machine labeled "the machine that steals your money", dont cry to daddy gubberment toNo. My argument is that if you see a machine like that you should have it removed. Not ignore it.and let it continue to propagate the idea that machines like this are okay.>the current state of england refutes this pointSo no, you dont have a response. And England is not part of the EU either. Jews really need to stop hiting jeets for this shit
"I will not sign your petition" says a very intelligent man about an initiative that already collected more than enough votes many months ago.
>>739354873I don't give a shit about the niggers. But they're existence is the friction in a theoretical frictionless model. Eliminate all niggers before you try talking about the responsible consumer.
>>739354981>They already mess with your hobby, it's called copyright and the DMCA.oof. This is the intelligence of the average skgger.
>>739355030Being able to maintain media and keep it usable is also a universal concept, this is a total non-sequitur.
>>739354873>niggers deserve to get scammed>your own fault for falling for a scam, the machine should still existHmm I'm starting to see a pattern here. It's like how >>739355043 says, hired jeet shill for sure.It's extremely jeetish behavior to be fine with scamming existing and letting unfortunate people fall for it, blaming them and then ignoring the problem instead of fulfilling a moral obligation and removing shit like that.>it's your problem saar I am morally correct in scamming retards saar my izzat go up saar!!!
>>739350665Americans are so vile and corrupt, why does the EU have to save the day everytime
>>739355331American created SKG to stop EU company ubisoft.
>>739351549Can anyone answer this
>>739351549>All I see is a lot of talking but very little listening and even less doingWelcome to the european union.For their next trick they will either get bribed and redraw the entire thing to make it unrecognisable from what it originally was supposed to be or failing that ignore and supress everything and bury it under a metric ton of paperwork and red tape.
>>739356012Kike seetheUSB c
>>739350665Jews seething hard
>>739356012Except all the times EU saved consumers from mega corps
>>739351262>Far right idiot is a plant to ruin attempts to make shit a little less shittyWOAH
>>739357027the desperation: palpableyou better hope they care about viddy games as much as their iPhone (protip: they don't)
look mutts it's very easy, we get to profit from your work and we either tax and ban your companies in our market or your companies bend the knee and comply with our regulationsusb-c? easysaving video games (I'm entitled to your source code)? easykeep those gibs coming thanks
>>739351276You will have rights whether you want it or not you brainwashed US goy cattle.
>>739353858>>739353984They eat people btw, also Peter Nygard predates the Epstein craze
>>739352472>>739352576>>739357204Wow, they really paid you to post three time ITT?AAA games are funded by taxpayers, so yes, I didn't pay to play as a nigger, get fucked kike!
>>739351276
>>739352506Look at this post immediately going for divide and conquer once the small hats get called out: >>739352506
>>739358237>(I'm entitled to your source code)It's not just the source code. SKG will make it so that you can walk into a game developers house and raid his fridge. Source: our updated anti SKG shilling brochure.
>>739358131Jeet seething
>>739359845I don't careI bought the game == I have the right to use it foreverdeal with it
Do not mess with another man's automobile game.
>>739350839you lost, pilatesoftware
The Jeet demoralization campaign is hilarious
>>739351232If that was an attempt at metaphor/allegory, you need to swallow some of that corpo cum you're working so hard for, maybe some iq will trickle down along with it
>>739350665They should start a new movement, Stop Owning Games
>>739350665It'll just get used as yet another excuse to roll out OS-level authentication for age verificationAfter all, if games are playable fully offline then how will we prevent kids from accessing adult-rated games?
>>739359875You bought a license
I just don't like that government has so much power over how you have to run a business. Free market has always been the best option for innovation and betterment of human kind. You need smaller government and lower taxes so people can live better lives. Like I know majority of Europeans are jealous of USA, and you need your own Elon Musk with DOGE to clear up the shitty bureaucracy and excessive spending on shit like condoms for Somalia etc.Europe will fall otherwise, just follow what USA has been doing and get rich as well
>>739352448just don't buy cars that phone home?
>>739352115Probably learned from his kike overlord piratecuckware
I don't support SKG, because the type of people who I hate support it. I don't care about what it's trying to achieve or how it might benefit me. I don't think about that at all. It's just that abhorrent degenerate retards want it, so I know it must be bad somehow, and so I'm opposed to giving them what they want.
>>739352448>Jews jews jewsIts just rich people. I have no idea why people try to make it always a fucking race thing when its always and will always be the rich.
>>739361553for me it's more like that people have no clue what it's actually about. reminds me of when steam greenlight came out and people put warcraft 3 on there
>>739361553Good job thinking for yourself there, retard.
>>739361553I support SKG because it makes (You) mad.Killing the degenerate gayming industry is just a bonus.
>>739361457>I[...]m[...]r[...]e[...]t[...]a[...]r[...]d[...]e[...]dWe knew anon there was no need for confirmation
>>739361457Why don't you shoot the police then?Oh wait, because you want a government.
>>739350665>>739361457>Free market has always been the best option for innovation and betterment of human kind.Free Market has worked for about 30 years for ONE generation if even that. As soon as corporations became a de-facto shadow government it was over. >B-but communismI don't want to eat shit doesn't mean I want to drink piss
>>739361759They defend us from the leftists and joggers
>>739350876>chud
>>739361164nuh-uh goymuttit says "buy" or "purchase" in the storeit doesn't say "rent"so your "erm it's a loicense" or "erm it's a service not a product" cope won't work here, Mr. Shekelstein
>>739350665I don't care this here is more important >>739351262
>>739361457This isn't an issue of free market. This is an issue of changing a customers product after it's been purchased. We aren't in the realm of market anymore. We are in the realm of theft or anti-consumer practices. We are setting boundaries and making that line between purchase and license a lot more clear.You can not sell a license to a product with an indefinite, unconditional expiration date decided by the seller. If that is going to be legal, it's going to clearly defined to the point no developer will want that label.
>>739361920>it says "buy" or "purchase" in the storeYeah because you bought/purchased a license. Next time read.
>>739362017>This is an issue of changing a customers product after it's been purchased.Nothing changed.
>>739352472>>739352576>>739357204>just ignore the elephant in the room!fuck off
>>739362057Your retarded post isn't getting a serious reply from me.
>>739362165Because you don't have ground to stand on.
>>739362027You cant "buy" a license, dumbass mutt
>>739362027at the time of checkout it doesn't say anything about a loicense mr. goy, I'm purchasing a good and a good is mine forever
>>739362179Tell that to the EU government, and they'll throw SKG out
>>739362179Let me tell you how the argument would go with your monkey brain. I'd reply that the fact I can no longer play the game I paid for is considered changing the game, and you'd argue semantics that nothing in the game was technically changed, just access to servers was cut.I can smell your disingenuous stench through the screen.
>>739362198Every piece of home media you have ever bought is a license.>>739362210Oh but it does.>>739362234Soon.
>>739362318>SoonUh uh. 2 more weeks. Cry more, jeetshill
>>739362318>If I (goymutt) say so then it totally works like this!ok, I still own the game forever
>>739362384EU is about to do nothing yes.
>>739362318>buys dvd>on the way home creator revokes all licenses>this faggot returns the DVD like a good cuckI thought you were serious with previous posts, I see I'm just being trolled. Well done.
>>739362392Fire up The Crew and see what happens.
>>739362421Tell that to your kike employers and assure them they have nothing to worry about, jeetshill.
>>739362017That is absolutely the free market. Nobody is forcing you to buy games with microtransactions, it is entirely a product of supply & demand.
>>739362487Tell that to your nigger family
>>739362459The Crew shut down after 10 years.
>>739362513Nobody interfered with my purchase. Nobody needed to. It was a free market exchange. What occurred afterwards was not. How dense are you? Stop having adult conversations when you are fumbling this hard.
>>739362514>NO YOU NIGGER SAAR!!Jeetshills are so funny
>>739362569You bought a ticket and the show is over.
>>739362513>buy game with credit card>have bank charge back immediatelyI guess my money had an expiration lmao
>>739351262Chuck a grummzcel in a movement to kill it. Genius corpojews.
>>739361610I am thinking for myself.>the people who I hate want this>they make exclusively bad decisions that destroy everything>this must be another bad decision That is my rational thought process. It eliminates the need to examine the actual issue, and boils it down to historical/observable outcomes of the type of people who want the (thing). It's bad because the type of people who want it are bad. It's that simple.
>>739362591Bro, you're just trolling. You don't actually believe the shit you're saying. By your own words, you could pay for a license to a game and the next day it gets shut down without a refund and you'd slurp that cock up. Nobody with a backbone thinks like this in defense of some company. You're trolling, that's all there is to it.
>>739362678Your bad hypotheticals that never happened aren't very convincing.
>>739362017You purchased a license to use software. You did not purchase the software.You need to be 18 to post here.
>>739362674No, you're not. You're deciding based on what other people are doing. Whether they are for it or against it is irrelevant. You didn't come to the conclusion based on your own research. There is always going to be overlap of things liked and hated by all parties. I don't think I've ever read such a stupid post in my entire life. I'm surprised you're not dead. Fucker would probably drive on the train tracks as soon as his enemy told him not to.
>>739362741Stop samefagging. Nobody believes you're a different poster.
>>739362678Most of these games with online requirements are shutting down after several years, some after more than a decade. The ones that are going out fast and in a hurry are massive financial failures where no amount of legislation would do a damn thing because the money simply isn't there.
>>739362790call him a jeet or a kike next
>>739362678>keep the servers for the $10 on sale game I bought running forever or I will have the european union arrest you a very childish communist fantasy that will never materialize
>>739362835You're right! Maybe we should have some kind of...I don't know...initiative that will make sure we never have games end up in this kind of situation? Holy shit you are beyond retarded.
>>739362569>>739362636Just don't buy games with microtransactions if you don't want games with microtransactions. Having to explain basic shit like this is like conversing with a tranny.
So is Nintendo going to release tools to play mario kart online after they close the servers? lol this shit is so doomed and very PC centric.
>>739362756>You didn't come to the conclusion based on your own research.Correct. People who I hate want this, and that is everything I need to know about the subject. I don't need to look up anything about it. All I need to look at is what type of person is 'for' it. Leftoid EU stooges, communists, socialists, children, drug addicts, clout chasing streamers.So, I know it's bad and will have bad results. If you want my support then you need to stop being an abhorrent and retarded parasite. Sadly, that is beyond you, so we are probably at an impasse.
>>739361457>Free market has always been the best option for innovation and betterment of human kindFree market and small government means chemicals being dumped in rivers, plastics pumped into food, all the drinking water being bought and taken to make Coca-Cola, child labour, no roads, super expensive healthcare, no minimum wage, working 6AM till 9PM unpaid overtime, workers losing their arms in industrial accidents with no compensation, supermonopolies owning 99% of all oil sources and bullying the competition out of the market, no refunds for faulty goods, etc, etc, etc.We already lived through something very close to a "free market", it was called the Gilded Age, and unless you were a Carnegie or Rothschild, it was a fucking horrible time to be alive.In Ancapistan you would not be the cryptobro running a successful startup, you would be the wage slave who can't afford to pay for his asbestosis medication despite pulling 100 hour work weeks.Communism is retarded but Ancapistan is almost just as bad. Capitalism is great but it doesn't work without healthy regulation.>Somalia Ironically Somalia is one of the most free-market places on earth. A real Ancap paradise.
>>739362912Retard, could you point me to my post that mentioned microtransactions? Are you confusing me with someone else?You're malfunctioning.
>>739357204>Woke shit has been ruining vidya for over a decade>Literally destroying gamer culture as a whole>Longer than "le game shutdowns" that people now are screeching about>We finally get a chance to talk about wokeslop>"REEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! DON'T! DON'T MENTION ((((THEIR)))) AGENDA NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WOKESLOP IS GOOD JUST FOCUS ON LE GAMES SHUTTING DOWN AND BULLYING SMALL ONLINE-GAME STUDIOS OFF THE MARKET!">"10/10 for Mixtape btw and next game of the year and if you disagree you are a chud! Buy le strong offline only *indie* game to support SKG you chud!!!"Fuck off lmao nobody likes wokeslop
>>739362924I'm convinced I'm talking to a bunch of bots in this thread. I'm out.
>>739363001Run back to your echo chamber on reddit
>>739362945Does it matter? Don't buy games with transient servers if you don't want transient servers. It's the same principle.
What's bad about this?>inb4 muh indie developersThey don't create always online live service slop and big developers can afford to find a way to keep a game in a playable state after they've lost interest.
>>739362882there isn't a situation, nobody actually cares about old dead online gamesits just some faggot communists pretending there is a scandal when there isn't one, and trying to use it to get @ their political enemies we know this is true because all the most abhorrent leftist socialist faggots immediately jumped on board since they recognized it as a wedge issue, while all actual human beings who actually govern rolled their eyes
>>739362956you need to stop championing the "poor small online games." completely outs you as a big publisher shill.
>>739362956Are you genuinely retarded? Woke slop is outside of the scope of SKG, simple as. How about you start your own customer movement to combat women shit in gaming instead of co-opting an existing one?
>>739363168It's a problem you need to address.
>>739363001I accept your concession leftoid faggot. BTW I am heavily armed, and if you ever attempt to stage revolutionary activities in my country, I will happily murder you and all your friends.
>>739363168>everyone who realizes I'm a retarded communist college student must be a corporate shill lol
>Shill gets completely btfo and goes so far off script that its unsalvageable>starts posting porn to try get the thread deletedThis is the true abhorrent face of your corporate enemy. Never forget
>Be an indie dev>Make a game which has some in-game hiscore things for level clear times or scores>14 years later decide to exit the game development>Shut down your servers that have hiscores>EU's SS troops raid your home>Beat you unconscious>"You will pay ze €500,000 fine if you shut down ze game features">Say that you can't really upload the hiscores in to public because there is data for stuff like Steam ID or something like that which could be used to doxx>Deleting all that and making sure that the possible tens of thousands of players who have cleared 1-1 info is gone can take fuckton of man hours and you don't simply have all that time because you are a singular dev>"Well you can hire ze EU firm to clear them... For €5,000">Either take a fucking massive fine, go to jail, or buy "EUs protection"Sounds like fun and encourages small devs to implement even smallest of fun online features in their games!
>>739361606>people have no clue what it's actually aboutGames should not have always online DRM. That's literally it. But mongrels turned it in shitmerican communism debate because they are soulless golem bugs.
>>739362913>Stop Killing Games (SKG) is a consumer movement that seeks to preserve video games after they are taken offline. It was started in 2024 by Ross Scott in response to the shutdown of Ubisoft's The Crew, a racing game that required a constant internet connection despite being mainly single-player. It uses various legal avenues to push for requiring video game publishers to keep games playable and in a reasonably functioning state even after their discontinuation, challenging the industry trend of selling games as a revocable license or service that can at any moment be rendered obsolete by the publisher.>Stop Killing Games does not demand for games to be supported and updated forever, rather suggesting that they be left in a reasonably functional state after discontinuation, such as by introducing an offline mode or the ability to host private servers.[10] Scott also clarified that it does not focus on delisted games that are still playable after discontinuation or any financial censorship issues.[16]
>>739363342If you don't understand the concept of "reasonable" and "common sense" in law you might be autistic and/or jewish
>>739363342Based. I bought ze game so I VILL have access to it for all eternity.
>>739363136>It's not a situation because nobody caresCorporates being able to do this at all is a very big situation. Now go take a shower with actual soap, jeet
>>739363342 Endless rape and torture for small devs dabbling in always online components. Skin them alive and line them up against the walls with their families.And I'm not joking.
>>739363420But the mario kart box says online play that's why I bought it.
>>739363342this is overly dramatic but it is essentially what will happen, the EU wants it because it makes them essential as a regulatory body for yet another 'thing', thus giving them more power, revenue, influence, and oversight >>739363281idk who you think you are fooling, communist faggot retards are losing everywhere badly, and you just roped a bunch of communist faggot losers into a bandwagon about something that could have been broadly popular and bipartisanbut not its a communist faggot thing, and so people will oppose it and fight it in principle and you're going to lose, again
Start Killing Games
>>739363342>Reductio ad absurdum: the post
>>739363432We said in past it was reasonable to not let races mix, and see how people react to that statement now. Same with trannies grooming kids, it was reasonable and common sense to not let them do it but now if you say that you are instantly deplatformed.In the future your "reasonable" is gone or then you are just trying to distract and make fun of people who actually points out flaws and easy tools of abuse.
>>739363507>You're goign to lose, saaar!!!What's wrong, jeet? Did the mods ban you from uploading files?
>>739363342>EU says you have to implement a way for people to make their own scoreboards OR run the game offline (as per what SKG is actually requesting)>You do this >Problem solvedThere, fixed your stupid fantasy scenario
>>739363452>leftoid communist faggot>casual racism when opposedmany such cases, and its also one of the many reasons why you fail as an actual populist movement when it matters reminder: you cannot be an actual communist and hate shitbrown vermin, because they are REQUIRED for your utopian society to function, as the underhive labor class
>>739363260yes. for one, first post in the thread. two, only big publishers who don't want to compete with their own games later would be averse to including "exit plans" that ensure games can continue to exist after the publisher stops wanting to support them.
>>739363553>everyone who opposes my ideas is an indian, a paid shill, or evil this worldview is why you lose, you fail to understand that your opposition are intelligent, human, motivated, and well funded you think everything will be easy, because your "enemies" must be retarded and poor, after all what other type of person would dare question your motives?then you wind up politically irrelevant and raped, and destitute and blame 'jews' or 'capitalists' or something
>>739363484>>>>>or the ability to host private servers.[10]
>>739363647what in god's name are you even babbling about at this point
>>739358131I think the industry is the only one feeling any desperation from SKG
>>739363673>>739362913
I get preserving the good games, but what about trash games? All that garbage subversive slop. From the past 15 years for example. I really hate that stuff. It actually would be cool if future generations couldn't access it imo.
>>739363213>BTW I am heavily armedWith a collection of horsecock dildos i presume.
>>739363675Run, anon. Or end up in an endless unwinnable battle like the other guy. I think we got real skitsos in the thread. I'm scared.
>>739363723you say that as a joke, but you should fear a man with a large collection of horsecock dildos
>>739363705Just like all artistic efforts before Disney lobbied world governments, it's going to be up to the people not to a shadowy publisher to decide what is and what is not worth preserving by doing the preservation effort
>>739354462>because you are giving the government permission to mess with my hobby however they want,The government already has that "permission". They could make laws on it without citizens being involved at all. The government is being asked to use the power it already has
>let me play this game online forever or I'm gunna have the secret police kill you >:(skiggers are pathetic, make sure you create a list of all your "friends" who support this garbage
>>739353685>play better gamesso what YOU dislike is the metric what should be destroyed? Likes and dislikes are subjective. Someone out there likes things that you don't, the quality of the thing being enjoyed doesn't matter, if any of it costs money, players should be expected to keep their playable copy forever, end of story.>make plugins for itemsElaborate, because shit like this doesn't matter if the game is dead.>create fan serversOh yeah, that'll go well
>>739363795>appeal to extremes
>>739363673Does Nintendo Switch as a platform even support such a thing either technically or legally?I can't imagine Nintendo actually approving a feature that lets users connect to random online servers based on nothing but an IP.
>>739363795>onlineI’ll assume you are too underage to remember private servers.
>>739353685>and cosmetics, well we'll simply force companies to give all of them to me for free!No, people PAID for those cosmetics, you lying, disingenuous piece of donkey shitIf you paid for a good (not a service), you are expected to have ownership over the paid thing
ALL BOW TO THE MOLD
>>739363823its not extreme at all>you didn't comply, you are fined>you didn't pay the fine, you are going to court>you didn't go to court, you are under arrest>you resisted arrest, we can kill you nowits an implicit threat of violent / attempt to delegate violence to force compliance the fact that you don't understand that is telling
what if its the schizo's intent to look absolutely insane to make his non-support of the thing look absolutely insane.
>>739353984How many of the files have yet to be combed over? How much redaction was included in the files already examined?
>>739363843Splatoon 1-3 didn’t have dedicated servers.
>>739363843most, if not all console online is p2p anyway.
>>739363865I turned on the Benny Hill theme when reading your posts. Really helps.
>>739363850>give me a private server NOW for this dead game that only 3 people play, or I'm going to have the secret police kill you!!!! >:Oeven more stupid and pathetic, which is why it will ultimately fail/result in an hilariously pitiful monkey paw situation
>>739363691Yes. Doesn't seem like a hard ask of a squillion dollar company to give people tools to run servers. People already host multiplayer private servers for hacked Switches. Seriously what's the issue?
Call me when they finally make it so that the devs can't change the game with updates after everyone has already bought the game. I once again want to remind you how messed up that shit is since it again happened today.>Be Plantation Simulator game devs>Your game gets no attention>Suddenly on Twatter some woke retard notices your game and wonders how the fuck did Steam allow this game>Tweet becomes viral>All the rightoids rush to buy the game to own the wokies and support your game>Game dev still caves in to the woke retards>After a lot of people have bought the game, suddenly change the game completely, even screenshots and videosThis should be fucking illegal unironically. If a game can be changed like this, then what is the use of "stop killing video games"? They still kill them, just different ways.
>>739361553>I won't support something that benefits me and every other gaymer because of spiteReal high IQ way of living
>>739363939https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>>739363843They never address the console side of this. They just keep posting screenshots of PC games with a server browser like that is ever happening on a console. This would require every console dev to patch their game to somehow enable custom server integration and this needs to be safe so it doesn't allow hackers brick your console.
>ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS!>DEFUND THE POLICE!!!!>....except for the police that will arrest anyone who violates SKG regulation!!!....???
>>739363923not true at all
>>739363953looks like he just added indentured servants, which were also a thing in slavery times, and just as abused, that no one gets upset about because... uh.
>>739363965I'm glad you realize how ridiculous skigger ideology is
>>739363923P2P sure, but letting an user just go "connect to 192.168.0.5 please"?I'm like 99% sure that not a single Switch game allows a manual direct connection, with everything using either a master server that handles everything for you or a server browser. Even the few games with private servers on PC via cross-plaform multiplayer on PC/Switch still need to connect via a master server.
>>739363953>All the rightoids rush to buy the game to own the wokies and support your game>Game dev still caves in to the woke retardsLet me guess, dude got doxxed and his family got death threats from leftists.
>>739363994That’s more the job of the courts and feds, not cops.
>>739363984the fact modders do that themselves, with no actual dev tools, should be a testament to how easy it would be for developers to do it.
>penniless teenagers and leftist politicians unite to levy fines on multinational corporations
>>739364086hell yeah motherfucker
>>739363994Your post makes no sense
>>739363939What does corpo boot taste like, anon?
>>739364086>>739363994SKG is pretty bipartisan. Why do you keep referring to all of us as libtards? Make it easier to attack the argument? I'm sure you'll respond back saying I'm lying about it. Brain can't handle a reality that contradicts such a strong emotional belief.
>>739363984>This would require every console dev to patch their game to somehow enable custom server integration Oh no! A PATCH?!?!? Sirs please do the needful or Activision Blizzard will collapse! Do not redeem patch sirs!!!
>>739364082point me to the mario kart fan server
>>739364082It's not about whether it's possible to implement with enough effort, but rather that the platform isn't built for it and it's not supported by the platform holder.Anyone remember the good old days of hacked Xbox 360 servers? You'd connect to a hacked COD lobby and your 360 got instantly banned from Xbox Live forever because of modding even though everything was server-side and out of your control.
>>739363953I remember this also happened to Tifa from Final Fantasy where years later they suddenly decided to update the game just censor her tits, the fucking update was like 10GB too, all that just to censor her tits. Same with Skullgirls.
>>739364151if you can't tell his goal is to confuse the issue, you might have brain problems.
>>739363647My "enemies" are the megacorps trying to take my shit away and justify it with legalese bullshit. And they're scared their subservient customers are ready to fight back and use the government against them.You are just an errand boy they hired to derail discussion on the topic.You are not my enemy, you are just a dirty jeet.
I can totally see this anti-SKG skitzo in this thread being the CEO of some game dev company. The crash out is off the charts. Has the same energy as that McDonalds CEO eating the hamburger. I think he'd argue like this.
>>739364169>the platform isn't built for itexcept modders have already done it?
>>739364132sure it does>state violence good when it benefits me>bad when it doesn't benefit methe monopoly on violence is why they can regulatethe implicit threat of violence is what forces compliance with court orders and lawsyou want to defund police who arrest violent niggers, but you love the idea of well funded federal secret police enforcing communist goals
>>739364160https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=upz0U5jD2Rw
>>739364219yes, state violence should only ever benefit the people. state violence that doesn't benefit the people is called "corruption."
>>739364151>SKG is pretty bipartisan.>look inside>all the most banal, retarded EU socialist faggots in existence oofies
>>739364160Not a single Mario Kart is online only. What retarded misdirection attempt is that?
>>739364157It's not easy especially in the walled garden that is console. Now you're meshing official online accounts and infrastructure designed to only work with Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft with unknown fan crap.
>>739363550TAD
>>739364267>its not easy for consoles>ignore how console modders have already done it
>>739364217By ignoring every single safeguard and standard set forth by the platform holder. As per the licensing agreement signed by every single console developer, an actual official retail released game on any of the current console platforms is not allowed to let the user just point their machine at some unverified IP on the internet in the hopes that it contains the right kind of game server.
>>739364237That is PC on a emulator. I knew you had no example lol
>>739363647Shhh, It's a game. A fifth generational game.
>>739364198>my shityou purchased a license to use a piece of software within the terms of serviceif you don't agree with the terms of service you can either not purchase it or return it for a full refund nobody paid me to call you retarded, and they didn't need to: it's simple obvious truth that you are a dirt poor imbecile who lives on welfare and suckle on the teat of the government, and so you think they will do anything for you
>>739363806japs are such kikes it's insane
>>739364313no licensing agreement has ever held up in court.
>>739364263But the box I purchased says I can play online sir. I thought you wanted consumer rights?
>>739364313So just exclude consoles from SKG. It's not like their customer cattle deserves it.
>>739351549Parliamentary sessions are not debates this isn't where arguments happen. That happens behind closed doors - the public sessions are theater to present their position to voters, visitors and the media. Nobody is fucking changing his mind based on a 2 minute speech so nobody wastes time arguing for solutions or with other speakers there.Maybe you can generate some public pressure for certain topics but everything important happens in committees and backroom deals.
>>739364331Shhhh sweaty
Why are people so eager to let corporations tread over their freedom, liberties, ownership and basic human rights, but the moment da gubberment wants to put those companies and their abusive policies to a leash, the abused populace starts defending the companies and starts screeching at the government to stay out of it, and how they're "overreaching" with the rules and regulations?This isn't affecting you, the consumer, negatively in any way. It's the companies that need to start building their games to last, how the fuck is this something we even have to argue about? Or is every single fucking person here some lobbyist or a shareholder of some big game company?
>>739364307very vague
>>739364331>you purchased a license>legalese bullshitBut Im the one losing because you say so.Go ahead, jeet. Preach how people dont actually own their games and how corporations are fully justified in removing them on a whim. Tell the masses they shouldnt do anything about it because communism.
>>739364331no licensing agreement has ever held up in court.
>>739364219lol
>>739364347Well at that point you could argue that the console platform holders aren't allowed to decide anything at all, and every game must be allowed to be released regardless of what it contains or how it works.
>>739364331>or return it for a full refundYou've implicitly admitted you've lost before and will lose again. And you dont even know it.Fun fact: the reason you can refund digital purchases at all is because the EU ruled so.
>>739363342>My game literally cannot be played if it can't connect to an online scoreboard100% deserved
>>73936442680 years of licensed home media says otherwise
>>739364331What is this argument supposed to accomplish? Nobody that supports SKG is going to change their mind just because you talk about licenses
>>739364445>console platform holders aren't allowed to decide anything at allPretty much. Their power lies exclusively in how no private citizen is going to hire a law firm to engage in a legal battle over $60. Just as no console manufacturer is going to even try to sue someone for modifying something they bought.
>>739364503>Fun fact: the reason you can refund digital purchases at all is because the EU ruled so.yeah the eu invented the refund lmao
>>739364321http://www.lan-play.com/install-switchPeople play multiplayer on private servers on cracked Switches
>>739364086Based. Corponiggers and their bootlickers should all fucking hang.
>>739364503No, California did it, then the EU followed them. You don't even know your own history you stupid shitstain.
>>739364508>>739364537
>>739364525He uses the legal arguments about licenses and how the law is final, but in the next post he'll crash out with absurd tales of FBI agents busting into the game dev's houses and annihilating their families because of a scoreboard. He's a skitso.
>>739364387>the public sessions are theater to present their position to voters, visitors and the mediaOkay but why?
>>739364525Oh geez and here I thought arguing on 4chan was productive. I'm just teaching you how the law works in the real world so when the EU does nothing in a month you won't be so shocked.
>>739350665I´m thrilled about this. You see, if companies are forced to keep servers forever they are likely to just stop making online games that require them. It´s an absolute win.
>kike trying to run chutzpah getting demolished by /v/ autists that can name videogames where you got to keep all cosmetics after community took over developmentBased autismos, thank you for your service.
>>739364543You're not addressing his argument. You're misinterpreting what he said. He did not say the EU invented the refund retardo. You're really bad at this.
>>739364606EULAs are not "the law."
me on my way to stop that studio from shutting down their 20 year old mmo that literally no one plays
>>739364635No but licensed media is.
>>739364537Well I hope you enjoy the future where "Super Hentai Puzzle Action 17" and its 600+ identical asset flip sister games on PSN and eShop all ship with a built-in bitcoin miner just because you really really wanted to play The Crew some fifteen years after it launched.
>>739364525What is this comment supposed to accomplish? you aren't going to change my mind. It's performative. Like all your commie shit. You are making noise to be seen making noise, so you can claim you are the most heckin active online communist of them all with your little collective of shitdicks on discord. You absolutely are in love with the sensation of being an 'online activist', and you think what is happening right now in this thread is some sort of protest/revolutionary action. You literally, actually believe you are some sort of counter-culture revolutionary with this banal shit.That's why most skiggers are there. Performance. You do not give a single slimy rat fuck about shitty dead old games you don't, and will never play. You don't. We all know it. So what else could it be?Performative outrage, for internet clout.
>>739364658Sure thing Vile Shlomo.
>>739364628It didn't invent the digital refund either. There is no difference.
>>739364658We really are enjoying your unhinged schizophrenic fantasies.
>>739364606You won't convince anyone through terminology
>>739364685Not that anon you're responding to, but I stopped reading after the first line. It's a clear crash out like the 2 dozen other posts. *benny hill music continues*
>>739364724I'll just keep being right.
>>739363342>Deleting all that and making sure that the possible tens of thousands of players who have cleared 1-1 info is gone can take fuckton of man hours>DELETE steamid FROM highscores;If running one single SQL command takes you a "fuckton of man hours" then you should get a job at Rockstar
>>739364685This performative outrage for internet clout has reached the European Parliament where real political bodies are now stepping up to support it. All your seething is going to reach would be the archive, when this thread dies.
>>739361106Jew post
>>739364638>EXCUSE ME DID YOUR SERVER FOR THE ONLINE GAME THAT NOBODY PLAYS GO DOWN FOR 2 DAYS? THE FINE FOR EVERY MINUTE OF DOWNTIME IS €24,000. PAY THE FINE OF SKG ENFORCERS WILL BE DISPATCHED TO THE PREMISES. NO WE DON'T CARE THAT THE DOWNTIME AFFECTED NOBODY. THE LAW IS THE LAW.
>>739364685Whatever you say, "anon"
>>739364707He didn't say that, retard. You should never debate anyone. You're using 5th grade tactics. Strawmen, appeal to extremes. It's amateur shit and absolutely nobody in this thread thinks you're anything more than batshit insane.
>>739364331That’s technically correct. However, the games industry has played for decades with the perception of ownership, more even once GAAS became prevalent. And the only ones who’ve come clean about it is Steam in recent years.
>>739364543https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/369C-3E9F-76FD-DEDA>dumbass jeet doesnt know when Steam did not have an option for refunds until the EU bitchslapped themAgain, the reason you have that option at all is because your employers lost before. And they will lose again.Do your homework next time you incompetent brownoid.
>>739364657It really isn't. The reason no one ever sues over mods of existing games is because they'd get laughed out of court. even lawsuits over emulation get laughed away. The only avenue for legal action is copyrights, and as long as no one person or entity is distributing materials they don't have the copyrights for, laughed out of court.
>>739364712You fuckers said the same thing when I told you all that the Tim Epic lawsuits would result in Google getting rid of sideloading on Android. Enjoying your future already?
>>739364743nothing has happened
>>739364593Idk, a perfect world would have great amazing open debates but our democracies don't work like that and parliamentary discussion isn't a discussion at all. That's how it is.
>>739364504Never said that.But you removing gameplay and data from the users is gonna get you fucked up. Its treated like removing jumping from your game when it comes to "SKG" logic.
>>739364743>real political bodiesyou mean a bunch of faggot socialist clowns who are also in it for the performance? Oh well donewhat games do you want to stop from dying btw? what is so important to you? (lol)
>>739364780Nothing ever happens, lowercase tranny.
>>739364775>steam was the first digital refundlmao
Remember anons, play the thread theme when debating the looney toon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWO8tgHtSbg>DO YOU REALLY WANT FBI AGENTS BLOWING UP DEV COMPANIES BECAUSE A SINGLE LINE OF CODE??!? THAT'S SKG REEEEEE
>>739364826>shit nobody said
>>739364858>Fun fact: the reason you can refund digital purchases at all is because the EU ruled so.
>>739364857its called yakety sax by boots randolph
>>739364880So where does it say>>steam was the first digital refund
>>739364903>>739364775
>>739350665I think the biggest issue with this is that the whole of Europe is functionally defunct with regard to global power and influence and has become ever-increasingly insular and detached from global affairs over the course of the last century. So it doesn't really matter what European nations decide, because it has about as much impact and influence as Liberia deciding to add a rat on a skateboard onto their flag.
>>739364785>But you removing gameplay and data from the users is gonna get you fucked up.>removing gameplay and dataso just.....dont do that.
>>739364826
>>739364980steam was his example not mine.
>>739364934>Ctrl+f ">>steam was the first digital refund"The first post that comes up is this shill post >>739364826Classic jeetshill tactic, act stupid and derail the conversation after getting btfo.
>>739364980
>>739365057You had that one saved. You must get the other one A LOT.
The EU seeks broad and sweeping authority over all forms of media. Expanding the scope of their oversight to include this type of thing is in their interest, and useful idiots like the children supporting SKG are perfect pawns for their authoritarian goals.It's a win for the EU if they can have 'popular' support for deeper regulatory actions. Bureaucracy live and die based on how much trivial regulation must be interacted with before money can be made in business. Layers of regulation at every step of the supply chain is how they maintain the status quo and an eternal revenue stream. Niggercattle think that more regulation benefits them. Especially the type of european literal feudal peasant living on government money. The more power their government has to levy taxes and regulation, the more feed they think they will get in their slop trough. In this case, the promise is literally 'infinite slop that cannot be taken away', which the niggercattle peasant very much likes the idea of.
Damn, shills are really getting their arses raped hard in this thread, huh?
>>739364621That would be fucking amazing, holy shit
>>739365118It's embarrassing. You'd think they'd give up. Not one solid argument. Just a bunch of monkey dancing and poo flinging. Constant misdirection, misrepresentation.
>>739365117Translation: AAAAAAAH BIG CORPO DADDY SAVE MEEEEEE
>>739365012Then you probably shouldn't use steam as an example lol
>>739364940I am eager to see the day when big multinationals simply begin telling the EU to suck a cock and daring them to try and enforce their gay commie shit.I predict that if their bluff is called their whole system will collapse, due to their lack of ability to broadly enforce in such a case.
>>739364980>>739365057
>>739365117aAter the past 10 years of woke slop? your argument is fucking dumb lol. corpo governance my ass.
>>739365165You are supporting actual former Stasi agents shoving their tendrils a little further into controlling media because they might end up fucking over EA on the way
>>739365152>i want free stuff the government needs to give it to me and punish anyone who disagrees >no that's stupid>THATS NOT AN ARGUMENT, ITS NOT A SOLID ARGUMENT, SHOW ME ONE ACTUAL ARGUMENT AGAINST IT REEEEEEE
>>739365206steam came up because the EU passing laws that require the option of digital refunds is why steam allows digital refunds, why digital refunds are a thing at all, etc.
>>739365309post anyone of them working for Stasi
>>739365206You lost, bro First when SKG was successful, then in this thread. The beatdown you received from these fine gentlemen today will be studied by politicians on how not to debate for years to come. Thanks for the entertainment.
>>739365342>why digital refunds are a thing at allNo, Because digital refunds in the US/EU predate the EU. Try again.
>>739365404>digital refunds in the EU predate the EU
What gave are you trying to save from dying? Nobody here plays 'The Crew' or has ever heard about it before this (please stop lying). So lets hear what you are hoping to preserve, personally. No hypotheticals, I want to hear what you are personally concerned about.
>>739365382I'm going to enjoy when the EU does nothing the cope will be great.
>>739365251...And other such fantasies i daydream about to make myself feel better.
>>739365419europe before the european union you blindingly stupid piece of shit
>>739365419The continent genius.
>>739364738You're arguing in semantics. "License" doesn't even inherently mean temporary, because perpetual licenses exist. >I want to keep my games>no you see you actually don't own the game because we sold you a license!>oh gosh then I guess I don't want to keep my games after all, because it's called a license! Thanks for clearing up that misunderstanding
>>739365482>the european union before the european union
>>739365445You're playing chessSKG is playing 5D Chess.----->>739364621
>>739364743truthnuke
Neither European nor American, so just hope this conflict continues until both sides have hurt enough.
>>739365117>>739365309Name ONE single form of authority this bill gives them that they don't already have, you faggot.The entire fucking point of SKG is that the government already has the responsibility to prevent fraud, but they are not enforcing the existing laws correctly.
>EU makes a law that only aplies within EU>thirdies start crying, seething, shaking and cutting wristsMany such cases
>>739365449Sure dude, just like the petition never reached a million signatures
>>739365534typo look it up
>>739365445its not retroactive bro, we don't care about past shit games we care about potential good games being ruined in the future
>>739365583You mean after the ferret fucker saved it? really impressive.
>>739365587typos are provably more frequent the more flustered/humiliated a person is
>>739364621SKG doesn't want devs to keep their servers running forever
>we don't need government overreach!>askhully you have a license for your game. You'll own nothing and be happy.Has a corpo shill ever been more apparent? No gamer talks like this. At all.
>>739365630In other words, it indeed reached over a million signatures
>>739365635or typing fast.
>>739365459>EU good!!!!>big corporation bad!!!!The EU threatened small countries with expulsion from their capital access system unless the accepted infinite mass migration from african and nafri shitholes. They bind them with chains of debt, then yank the chains and force them to commit slow suicide. The EU is literally evil. Corporations just want to make money, and while their methods of doing that are sometimes underhanded, they don't seek the actual destruction of europe and the eradication of distinct european races. Anyone who isn't aware of this/doesn't care about this/wants this is either - very young- brown/muslim- communist- jewishIt's not a question of what the EU should do. The question is why the EU exists at all, when their actions are leading to the slow destruction of the people they supposedly exist to enrich and defend. The EU must LOSE legitimacy, not gain more. Going to the EU for anything is tacit admission of their role as a governing body, and this is a terrible mistake.All EU politicians must go to gulags and work camps. It must be dissolved. European nation sovereignty must be restored.
>>739365689because of how flustered/humiliated you are
>>739365561Fraud? What fraud has occurred here?Online games clearly state on their physical boxes and product pages that they "require internet connectivity" for some or all functionality.Any sane and reasonable person would of course be able to deduce that this connection requires something on the other end which will eventually be shut down, and this is also included in very clear writing in the license agreement you agreed to before playing the game.There is no fraud. Only your inability as a consumer to understand what exactly you have purchased. And unfortunately even consumer laws have to draw the line somewhere on how retarded the consumer is allowed to be.
>>739365685for drama
>>739365449Dude, creating new excuses for noncompliance fines is exactly the shit the EU loves. Why the fuck would they pass up an opportunity as lucrative as raping Apple with USB-C?
>>739365729Thank you for confirming it reached over a million signatures
>>739365705why do youpress enter twiceatthe end of everysentence?
>>739365716license agreements aren't law. you can put in a license agreement "also i'm going to defraud you and you must accept that and you can't sue me" but it doesn't mean its legal.
>>739365743Because upending the entire software industry (this would not just effect games) is not as easy as putting a different 5 cent charger in the box.
>>739365705Cool. Nothing to do with skg though so go kill yourself for your shitty attempts at derailing the thread.
Contrary to popular belief it is indeed possible to want the government to do some things but not other things
>>739365743lightening was absolute shit so not sure why forcing apple to use a "universal" connection was a bad thing.
>>739365768for drama
>>739365810noooo you can only ever have complete government authority or zero government authority noooo
>>739365835Sure
Just going to reiterate this point again.This skitso doesn't like government intervention. But is totally okay with game licenses being revoked unconditionally at any time, including immediately after purchase. He also likes to remind us that we've purchased a license and don't own the game. He's also willing to argue this point, as well as every other unrelated and retarded point for the last several hours. Am I getting that right?Yup, I'm thinking he's totally a long time gamer and definitely not a paid shill.
>>739365787So you're claiming that any and all online-only functionality is straight up fraudulent? That you cannot possibly sell via a one-time fee access to a service that may not be there until the fucking heat death of the universe?I bought a lifetime pass to a theme park, and after 28 years it shut down, so now I'm entitled to a full refund.
>>739365929>including immediately after purchaseNever happened.
>>739365958That's not what I said. That's what is possible at this given moment. The argument you are in favor of.
>>739365935>trying the theme park tactic againYou could not make it more obvious you're arguing from a script
>>739365974I don't need to defend your fake scenarios.
>>739364086If you just fucking behave you get mostly left alone. And they couldn't do that.
I'm a gamePlease don't kill
>>739365935Claiming you can terminate the functionality of a purchased at any time for any reason is a clear violation of first sale, yes.
>>739365935>I bought a lifetime pass to a theme park, and after 28 years it shut down, so now I'm entitled to a full refund.Yes. Though one can get technical and claim "lifetime" was in reference to both you and the park. It wouldn't hold up in court, but the company is defunct anyway so no ones getting a refund.
>>739365974And companies only do that when they're either shutting down or offering full refunds anyways, due to the reputational damage it causes. A fine wouldn't do shit to change that, and additional legislation would only set a new bottom (like what happened with Android sideloading).Otherwise server shutdowns tend to get announced years or even months before they're gone. Lego 2K Drive just announced their server shutdown a year in advance.
>>739357194Such as?
>>739366082The land should be given to pass holders so they can build their own rollercoasters.
>>739366119USB c charger standards
>>739365935>I bought a lifetime pass to a theme park, and after 28 years it shut down, so now I'm entitled to a full refund.If the company that owned/ran the park still exists and is solvent, and shut down the park for no real reason, yes, absolutely. Now a loophole here would be to make every "online game" its own shell company, but then that would lead to a crackdown on the practice of forming shell companies.
>>739366137typically when a theme park company goes bankrupt, everything is liquidated to pay debts. if there is enough left over for refunds of lifetime pass holders, they are entitled to refunds.
>>739366085The games will be developed with an EoL plan, which is vastly less costly than any potential fines levied
>>739366178>and shut down the park for no real reasonwhich literally never happens ok
>>739366174Is that it?
>>739366235It has happened with video games. All the companies responsible are financially sound, they just don't want the older game to be an option anymore.
>>739366219Lifetime in the fine print is always the life of the park. Park is gone and so is your money.
>>739366296Not sure about that, The Crew had like 20 players daily at the end.
>>739366304and just like license agreements, doesn't hold up in court. but if the park owners are defunct, there's no one to sue.
>>739365716>Online games clearly state on their physical boxes and product pages that they "require internet connectivity" for some or all functionality.I am connected to the internet, so why can't I play The Crew then, faggot?
>>739366358yes, and?
>>739366384That would easily hold up in court. You bought a lifetime pass for the park and lifetime = park which was clearly stated. It is spelled out on the actual pass.
>>739354923people who use this meme always have something shit to say
>>739366294USBC ChargersGDPR (Ownership of personal data)Digital Markets Act (Must allow alternative app stores)Right to RepairEU Battery replaceabilityRoaming Charges AbolitionMicrosoft Browser Antitrust CaseBanned loot boxes in some country forcing overwatch to get rid of themSteam Refund RightsSubscription Auto-Renewal & Dark Pattern bannedStopped Killing Games (Soon)
>>739366423That is the vast majority of cases.
>>739366508Nope. Again, you can't just put illegal things in a contract and expect it to hold up.
>>739366583Careful, anon, all that pro-consumerism is going to make the skitso burst a blood vessel. >YOU'RE HURTING THE POOR COMPANIES TRYING TO FUCK YOU IN THE ASS
>>739366583>Banned loot boxesYou should check out the most popular game in EU, FIFA.
>>739363213Did your boss only give you 3 images?
>>739366583Amerikikes fear him
>>739366614Nothing illegal about it.
>>739361573Yeah, it's actually Buddhists who are massively over-represented in the group of rich people.
>>739366585Yes, and? Its not like the crew required a monthly subscription that wasn't paying server costs or some shit. It's also not like it would've been a simple matter to just allow private servers. Its not like it drove ubisoft into bankruptcy.
>>739364785If people can play your game offline then SKG won't apply to your game, fucking dumbass. Quote the part where it would.
We're going to end up with new games being subscription based only.
>>739364151>Why do you keep referring to all of us as libtards?Because he thinks 4chan is a right-wing place and this will make "us" stop wanting to have consumer rights.
>>739366695just a politically correct way of saying Asians
>>739366631The ban was sadly only partial and not EU wide so it effected some games but others were willing to bite the bullet.
FYI folks, I've been reading this thread for the last 7 hours. If anyone ever says shills aren't real, send the archive of this thread where a guy goes on for an entire night in favor of mega corporations and anti-consumerism. Night!
>>739366779Ah sounds like lootboxes are alive and well in EU!
>actually corporations SHOULD be allowed to just delete your product at a moment's notice and there's nothing you can do about itin retrospect, this position is kind of silly. anti-skigger sisters, i'm having second thoughts...
Guys I should work here I can't be entertained by a jew having an absolute nuclear meltdown over customers getting more rights
>le theme parkKill yourself, stupid kike.
>>739366583>Steam Refund RightsThat was Australia. The EU never gave a shit.
>8 hour mark>skitso stops respondingDamn. Guess he had to clock out.
>>739366695White people.
>>739366868Watching a kike squirm is better than 95% of modern vidya
>>739366583>Subscription Auto-Renewal & Dark Pattern bannedWhat? When? I live in Finland and every single service automatically enters you into an auto-renewing subscription with no option to disable it when signing up. Even when just doing a free trial. You have to go in after the fact and cancel the subscription.
>>739367069most of that list are lies
>>739366868You were still proven wrong.
>>739366946Wrong.https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/returns/index_en.htm
>>739367145You refusing to accept reality is not really "proving" anyone's wrong.Also I just entered the thread
>>739367195standard everywhere
>>739350665>stop killing games>completely kills MMOsepic
>>739367208>Also I just entered the threadTry reading it.
>>739367248After the EU mandated it
>>739367248Also wrong. There are no federal laws that garantee refunds and either depends on state laws or the seller's own policies.
>>739367110x`>most of that list are lies
>>739367248Gujarati shitskin?
>>739367298I just did, you've been seething for hours non-stop because SKG might give everyone the possibility to enjoy all the cosmetics once the company decides to pull the plug.The kike asking if it ever happened in the past doesn't matter for what will happen in the future.I'd give props to him to diverge half the thread on useless drivels.
>>739362924>god i hate these people, they keep doing bad stuff and trying to control the way i live>wait, i've got it>i'll just let them control the way I live AND think, that'll show em
>>739364086>to levy fines on multinational corporationsis this supposed to be a pitiable group I'm meant to feel bad for in any context? oh no, the people with most of the power in the world will be slightly inconvenienced by having to look for more loopholes to screw people over and break the law
>>739367751It's always "drivel", whether plural or singular.Examples:>His collection of arguments amounted to nothing more than useless drivel>A typical shill is a retard posting drivel off a script
>Make an online game>Add an offline mode where you just walk around empty maps>SuccessIt's that simple. But even that is too much for companies like Ubishit.
>>739368258In most cases, you don't even need to add anything, just replace whatever address they have with a 127.0.0.1 as a valid auth address and it's done. That's literally how The Crew was re-enabled, a simple file edit.
>>739350665TOTAL CHUD VICTORY
>>739351262fucking far right moron got more attention than the goddamned fucking hearing.
>>739364621>companies are forced to keep servers foreverSAID NOBODY EVER ABOUT THIS MOVEMENT! THAT IS LINE ONE ABOUT WHAT WHAT THIS DOESN'T ASK FOR
>>739368932>keep servers foreverAt this point I believe we're getting trolled hard.Nobody is that stupid to repeat the exact same argument since the SKG initiative was launched.
>>739351262can you stop derailing you stupid faggot?stop killing video games
>>739367195>Exceptions>Please note: the 14-day cooling-off period does not apply to: >online digital content, such as a song or movie, that you started downloading or streaming after you expressly agreed to lose your right of withdrawal by starting the performance
>>739361457If a market is TRULY free then it'll instantly become not free, as companies seize control over it with various bad practices that would normally be regulated.regulation means the government stepped in.
>>739352448Nah nigga, i am just waiting for this kind of shit to become the norm, and then manufacture cars without all the gay shit.I will make money without inovation by simply selling "outdated" commoditiesthat havent been touched jews.Crazy times.
>>739370523In what world are you in the position to manufacture cars on a big scale? And how are you gonna stop BMW to send their lawyers to kneecap you?
>>739361573Semantics.I dont care, they are spiritually (and most of the times literally) the same.Both will get what they fucking deserve.
>>739362669Yup.Just like politicsThey are glowies
>>739350665CoolI have no interest in buying the shitty online only games your movement is trying so hard to keep around though
>>739371182Cool, then you have no reason to oppose it.
>>739351262This guy clearly just wants to push his own agenda and is using Stop Killing Games as a vehicle for it. He’s probably trying to score points with a far right audience by turning everything into another “woke bad” rant. The problem is that none of what he’s saying has anything to do with the actual initiative. And before anyone says, “but he’s right, it is a problem,” that completely misses the point. Whether you agree with him or not is irrelevant his comments are entirely off-topic and only derail the discussion surrounding SKG.He comes across like a content creator trying to cash in on outrage and farm attention off another supposed “woke character” controversy. During his rant, it honestly felt like the seriousness and professionalism of the entire hearing dropped for a moment. What made it even more telling was that nobody at the hearing engaged with him or debated his points. They just ignored him and moved on.
This is kind of ridiculous, I have never seen this much defense run with the most retarded illogical reasoning. It has to be trolling and shilling right? How come this is the free-market hill people are so willing to die on? It has to be shilling, I refuse to believe that there is that much inbred goycattle on this board.
>>739372208>How come this is the free-market hill people are so willing to die on?Because it's the foot in the door and they are afraid of what comes next, as they should.
>>739372208You will own your games and you will like it
>>739362674You're basically admitting that you're less than subhuman, that you're an instinct driven beast. You wear the most degenerate, caveman impulses and rejection of human thought processes like some badge of honor, and If you aren't just trolling for the kicks, you should be dispatched immediately for the sake of our species and its collective IQ
>>739357204>Conservatives are the actual pawns of the billionaire class Given the fact the only people opposing the California version of SKG are far right conservatives, this should have been obvious.At the very least unless some massive corruption takes part, that looks to be a lock to pass the general assembly. Hopefully this same bullshit doesn't derail the EU version
>>739371312Exactly.But I need to remind you that the games SKG is about are live service slop, not real games.
