>more powerful than PS2>still lostwhy?
more powerful graphics card, worse cpu, smaller game storage
>>739439072xbox was stronger and also the crapcube had the least amount of good games that gen.
PS2 had a dvd player while being cheaper than a DVD player.
Nintendo lost the Japancore audience on N64, and lost some american publishers due to their idiotic insistence on cartridges. Gamecube requiring special mini-discs made some ports unviable without multiple discs and special game logic needed, and the Japancore crowd stayed on Sony's platform.
>>739439072>>more powerful than PS2It really didn't look like it in the games. Back in the day people wanted Gamecube for exclusives or some quick loading times, then the Xbox had the horsepower and some good exclusives, but the PS2 did everything well enough and had millions of games.
>>739439072Because by that point everyone had a PS2 and a shit load of games.
>>739439072Didn't have GTA 3
>>739439150@grok is this true?
>>739439170>Xbox>gameslol
>>739439170>>739439072iirc shadow the hedgehog and sonic heroes were best on xbox. gamecube was alright. ps2 was utter shit.
in europe gc was never popular. some had it for smash but it was very niche. everybody had a ps2 though, as it was one of the better and cheaper dvd players too
I wanted orange so bad broskis
>>739439403No orange for you, gaijin.
>people only bought it for a dvd playerWhat is this revisionism? People bought it for the games. Also it was backwards compatible with the shit load of PS1 games you already had (or if you didn't have a PS1 before can now pick up for cheap and play).
Minidiscs killed it
>>739439072That's like asking why the US is losing to Iran. There's more to war than raw power.
>>739439321compare ssx3 on ps2 vs ssx3 on gamecube.gamecube had a bit better graphics but downgraded everything else.
>>739439662Maybe its due to minidiscs not internals?
>>739439321grok here, I dunno
>>739439563it was true though, several friends convinced their parents to get it as a dvd player (and then the parents hogged the console). it was priced similar to your average dvd player too.t.37
>>739439072It came out a year later, didn't play DVDs, didn't have as much third party support as the ps2, and was also competing against the xbox.
>>739439692they could have done a dual dvd release like other gc games. the ps2 iso is only 3gb. but they didnt. anyways ssx3 & ssx tricky were butchered on gamecube. the controller is literally missing inputs required so you get reduced tricks. also audio sucks ass.
>>739439885Was it good as a cheap entry to 6th gen?Like if yoh couldnt afford a ps2
>>739439072>worse controller>was not a dvd or even cd player>playstation prioritised framerate to suck tekkens dick and keep it exclusive and people care about that more at this point than graphics as the realism meme had not hit yet.>much as i loved it extraordinarily weak nintendo lineup compared to sonys strongest launch lineup ever>memory cards were rare as rocking horse shit for some reason and could wipe themselves at random, ps2 memory cards can be found in a draw 20 years later and still work fine>its attempt to push online was PSO after sega tried to make it a sub game while sony had FFXI, socom and fucking monster hunterI owned every console that gen and loved every one of them but the gamecube was just set up to be unable to compete on an equal footing. It was Nintendo trying to target the sort of audiences more into konami, capcom and sega and Xbox and Sony simply offered that audience better.
People overvalue the DVD explanation. That's what Sony used to advertize it to parents, like saying "buy this computer to help the kids with their homework" that used to be said back in the day.Plus there's absolutely zero reason that it playing DVDs shouldn't be an advertized feature. I remember my first CD was bought to work with the PS1.
DVD playerfunny small discsperceived as the kiddie console
>>739439403Paint yours orange. Or 3d print orange parts and replace the purple ones with them.
>>739439072At the time (and still) Nintendo was seen as a weird kid console.
>>739439563Rewriting history. It's what they do.https://www.edn.com/dvd-player-average-selling-price-in-the-united-states/
>>739440135GameCube and N64 look more mature than anything previously or after nintendo released
>>739439980Console was cheap, but good games weren't. I never saw them on sale.
>>739439072The height of Nintendo "anti" 3rd party antics. The Capcom 5 was an extreme outlier and all those games eventually got ported.The mini discs meant you had less storage space then the standardized DVD disc's that were being used and the only ones selling this specialized format was Nintendo themselves. A literal rebranding of the cart mess they pushed in the N64 days. GC had a strong selection of Nintendo titles, but that was honestly it.
>>739440265The Gamecube has the largest player's choice line of any Nintendo console, there were a shit ton of games going for like $20 later in the last few years of the system's life.
>>739439072PS2 was easier to pirate. PS1 was the same.
>>739439072Timing is everything.PS2 - 2000GC - 2001GC was too late and N64 in a way got too much support. Switch 1 beat Xbox/PS easily because it came out at a perfect time. 2017 led up to 2020 corona virus and they had the perfect exclusives. Meanwhile Xbox/PS has been busy porting everything to everything else. NS2 came out last year, project helix and PS6 will probably be late 2027 at best. I can't see them selling even 30m but NS2 will have sold 50-70m by then. You can see how important timing is throughout console war history. Reggie on DS vs PSPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWKuUymKdMEnd result: DS sold 154m, PSP sold 76m
>>739440761Dreamcast owners are laughing at you like little baby.
>>739440883I'm a bong and all this is true. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, at college had a DS. Only one guy had a PSP (and he also had a DS).Why do people always accept things like this when Nintendo win but not when they lose?
>>739439072>Minidiscs small storageThere goes the third party support>Can't play DVDs>bad launch line upThere goes the the rest of the audience
>>739439072>1,5GB space the cucked mini DVDwhat was Nintendo thinking?
yet Talesfags can't shut up about their 60fps combo simulator
>>739441015While sega is cackling like an evil fetus in a jar.
>>739439072third worldies bought PS2
>>739441126When Nintendo wins, it's because they're the best. When they lose, it's due to external factors. You can see that behavior in all console fans, except maybe xbox fans, but that's because they've already starved to death.
>>739440883Why did Dreamcast fail then? it came out before the PS2.
>>739439072The PS2 carried it's momentum of third party support from the PS1 era. Cheap to manufacture CDs and DVDs because of Sony's patents meant publishers got a bigger split of profits after Sony and distributors got their cut.
>>739441508>When they lose, it's due to external factorsthe no-responsibility company
>>739441498didnt know that Japs are third worlders...
>>739441198If you look at Nintendo's 1st party output, most of their games weren't even close to using all the space on those discs. Baten Kaitos Origins was the only game they published that needed two discs.
>>739441498>The PlayStation 2 (PS2) completely dominated the GameCube in Japan, selling over 24 million units compared to the GameCube’s roughly 4 million by 2008.lol
>>739439072>cuck yourself to third parties with minidiscs in an attempt to stop piracy>rush out your premiere mario and zelda games>cancel all online plansi like the cube, melee, re4, and fzero gx are some of the best games that gen, but its no wonder it got assraped by the ps2 and even surpassed by og xbox when everything about it felt sabotaged
>>739441508I think the frustration is that if you look at it from a value-free perspective, it makes absolute sense why the PS2 won, and all the "but muh DVD player" and "but muh sold at a loss" nonsense is just like you're accusing them of cheating.Of course they made a big deal that their DVD-based console could play DVD movies. That was the new thing. Anyone old enough can remember how they'd advertise the DVD versions of movies on the VHS one you just bought.Remember that old advert?>THE SOUND IS INFINITELY CLEARER!>*guy with a piano*The new millennium was a time when everyone wanted "the new" and there was "the new"s everywhere.
>>739441831Even when the Wii rolled around Nintendo didn't want the DVD market. They could have stole the Xbox's playbook of making it a separate license purchase on the eshop.
>>739441941*wii shop channel
>>739439072>Nintendo predicted 50 million GameCube units by 2005, but only sold 22 million GameCube units worldwide during its lifespan, placing it slightly behind the Xbox's 24 million and well behind the PS2's 160 millionThe GameCube is widely considered a commercial failure
>>739439072Where are all the games?>>739439219Also this.Tons of people bought a ps2 who were only incidentally gamers, because it was simply economical.We forget, there was an era where not fucking your customers to death, was a thing you could do sometimes.
Number of consoles soldNES>61 millionSNES>49 millionN64>33 millionGameCube>21 millionNone of those feel right to me. The N64 number is way too high, the GameCube way too low. Hell, the NES is kinda too low since it felt like everybody on fucking earth had one, how were there almost 3x as many PS2s?
>>7394415161) EA wanted exclusive sports games on Dreamcast, SEGA didn't accept that because they had bought a company for that. (Yeah ball & gun games always mattered lol)2) Limited games and HW problems3) Saturn's launch already burned relationships 4) Nintendo was too established and Gamecube would beat everything on the market, plus Xbox/PS2 was comingSEGA and dreamcast had way too many problems. SEGA also believed Dreamcast could compete vs GC and PS2 but at that point fans were already dedicated. They'd rather wait and buy the system they wanted instead of buying what's available. "Moore said that the Dreamcast would need to sell 5 million units in the US by the end of 2000 to remain a viable platform; Sega fell short of this goal, with some 3 million units soldQ
>>739441941The thing is, you can understand why they thought that way, even if it is in hindsight fighting the last war. They thought "well, DVD is going to replace VHS, and the console will still be the console." When the desire at that time was for the console to also moonlight as a multimedia appliance.Of course now in the age of streaming there's no appliance needed and the television itself is the streaming device and you can split the two off again, but that wasn't the case in the 00s.
>>739442296>Saturn's launch already burned relationshipsOnly thing I'd adjust is that the Saturn burned everyone, and so did the Sega CD, and so did the 32XSega had absolutely run their good name into the ground in the span of two or three years
>>739442246NES rode a rising wind after the crash. Every gen after had fierce competition.
>>739442246Fewer gamers back in the day and SEGA and PS1/PS2 stole a ton of sales. Don't forget PS1/PS2 worked as a CD/DVD player as well. Everyone had CDs/DVDs back in the day. >>739442426At least SEGA chose the smart route and go software, them going bankrupt would have been bad
>>739441730ThisThere are about 10 games worth mentioning on the Gamecube. Truly, there are. In some ways, Nintendo's game design philosophy peaked on the Gamecube. Just make good games, don't cram asinine gimmicks to wow old people and saw limbs off to fit into this weird suit better.But that's fukkin it. Third parties mostly didn't want to touch this fukkin thing for a variety of reasons. It offered less networking possibilities than its competition. The vast majority of the games on the Gamecube, are the shitty recreations of popular things on the Xbox and PS2, because Nintendo had to make those themselves. See third parties not wanting to touch the thing. The golden era of video game experimentation, more or less skipped the Gamecube entirely, because nobody could be assed to put their weird art project on the box that refused to let them. The PS2 was, for the most part, a piece of shit in this generation, but it was piss easy to develop for, cheap as sin, had one gorillion games ranging from big name productions, to indie tech demo tier, proof of concept "things", and in a worst case scenario was a DVD player cheaper than most other dedicated DVD players, with a less confusing remote. I KNOW there are some old PS2s still living out their twilight years as the DVD player of aging parents of millennials, who are only vaguely aware the machine plays games at all.If the PS2 proves anything, it's that "good enough" is fucking great, and making a revolutionary, next generation device that makes people question what the future could be, is sometimes a lot worse than making something functional, affordable, versatile, that doesn't ask much of users or developers.
>>739439072no gamessimple as
>>739439920>the controller is literally missing inputsI am just now realizing the GC controller is missing L1, L3, R3, and Select versus its contemporaries. That is pretty stupid.
>>739439072PS2 came first and had a DVD player. The GameCube was also seen as the kiddie console at the time and if you were playing the GameCube you were seen as gay and lame. It was socially accepted to own a PS2 or an Xbox, not a GameCube.
>>739439403i vanted orange, it gave me lemon lime
>>739442426I'm a Bong and the shift away from Sega was massive. By the time even the Saturn came along there was a feeling of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." Even people who didn't buy the Sega CD or 32X (I had a CD but not 32X) felt burnt just by the idea of them.I remember the day my dad took me into Dixons for us to both pick our new console as he just got a comically massive payout from being laid off, and they had a Saturn and Playstation running, and the Saturn was running Sonic 3D, and the Playstation was running Tomb Raider.It was a no brainer.
same reason ps3 floundered.NOGAEMS.It had sunshine, and pikmin and windwaker.
Where I live, a lot of people made fun of the Gamecube for looking like a lunchbox with the handle. Purple was seen as a homosexual color while the Xbox and PS2 were slick black.
>>739442791>If the PS2 proves anything, it's that "good enough" is fucking great,It was a work horse console.
>>739439072>>739439403>>739439980It's fucking surreal how ahead of its time Gamecube was with online connectivity and play. An entire generation.
>>739443152Where was this?
>>739439072>why?No games. Nintendo cucked themselves again with the proprietary mini-DVD format.
>>739441831>I think the frustration is that if you look at it from a value-free perspective, it makes absolute sense why the PS2 won, and all the "but muh DVD player" and "but muh sold at a loss" nonsense is just like you're accusing them of cheating.Because some people really did just buy it as a DVD player. Same with PS3 and blu-rays. That doesn't diminish its other good points.
>>739439170I read a huge autistic writeup on the G4tv forums about how the Gamecube was actually faster than the Xbox. I don't know if it was cope or the guy was on to something, but I think about it from time to time.
>>739439403Kind of weird how they released the spice orange controller in the US but but not the console. I wonder if it was initially planned to come here but they changed their kinds at the last minute
>>739443238Mexico
>>739443316The Duke was a fucking monster. 733mhz, 64MB of RAM, a video card that was a stripped down GeForce 3 when that was the most powerful card in the world.Of course this power never really got utilized except to port Half-Life 2 and Morrowind.
>>739439072It was kiddy shit
exclusives is the main reason to own a console over anotherthe ps2 got morethe lies of the shit devs doesn't help
>>739439072Half the planet used an altered PS2 to play pirated games. Piracy on GCN took about 4 years to be possible, too late.
>>739443395I'm of the belief Symphonia was a lazy/quick port. The PS2 couldn't possibly run pic related at 60?
>>739439072Garbage first party games but of course gamecube trannies will seethe at this fact
>>739439072They all had their strengths and weaknesses. I'm lucky to have had all three, the last time it was worth doing so. Also, dreamcast rules.
>>739439563the dvd player was is accountable for a MASSIVE portion of it's sales.
Why is selling the PS2 to grannies for the DVD player any worse than selling the Wii to the same grannies for the waggle?
>>739439072Wind Waker's initial reveal by Miyamoto was a total clusterfuck. It would have been funny if /v/ existed back then but I remember the shitstorm it caused on gamefaqs. That reveal basically put the nail in the coffin for nintendo as the kiddie choice. That's why so many gamecube owners became trannies many years later. Due to all the bullying they received from PS2 and Xbox chads
>>739442246The population in general, and population of gamers specifically was a lot lower back in the day, and games were comparatively more expensive. A new, big name SNES game was closer to around 100 bucks in today's money.Nintendo was basically the only game in town for the NES generation, and has steadily lost market saturation since then. The N64 and Gamecube specifically have a perception issue, where they had pockets of high adoption rates; usually these were lower-middle class, for lack of better words, newly-sustainable families and communities, that saw Nintendo as the "safe" option for their kids, as opposed to the comparatively edgier and more mature Playstation, and Xbox of their respective generations. Sega was dying during this time, but was otherwise in more the same boat as Nintendo. (As an aside, this gave rise to the weird sonic kid. The sheltered, usually mindfucked christian kid, for whom Sonic was the coolest/edgiest thing he was allowed to have, and thus developed some strange traits around it as they grew up, and their tastes, uh, 'matured', and came in their fucking pants when Shadow the Hedgehog happened)However, these were comparatively small parts of the overall population. If you lived in one of these bubbles, then everyone had an N64/Genesis and Gamecube. But, outside of that bubble, the PS1 and much more the PS2 dominated. The Playstation simply had more and better games. The PS2 doubled as a DVD player, making it something kids and parents could compromise on (and was cheaper than most DVD players anyways, meaning it was a compromise that could be a win-win). Whether you had money, or didn't, the PS2 in particular was just the better choice. It was really only that narrow intersection of "we have money recently" and "I am concerned about my kids learning about satanist black magic from video games, and will get the Mario/Sonic machine I remember" where the N64 and Gamecube truly thrived.
>>739443934fuck off grok
>>739443875The issue with the Gamecube being either gay or for kids basically ruined its chances with an entire generation who grew up in the 90s and became teenagers in the early 00s.No one wants the console that'll make a girl laugh at you.
>>739444092>saying this as if girls find video games an attractive trait
>>739444092>the xbox stays ON during sex
>>739442246>the NES is kinda too low since it felt like everybody on fucking earth had oneAFAIK the NES is the only console where there were as many real clones of it was there were legit ones. Any small electronics manufacturer in a patent poor country could just whip out the soldering iron and make a working Nintendo, so there were millions of additional consoles not in the official count.You can't go on Temu today and buy a Lucky Happystar Polystation V and just slap a Returnal disc in it and have it work
>>739444149The Playstation and Xbox at least was a "heh, boys and their toys *rolls eyes*" response.
>>739439072The most powerful console never wins retard
>>739443556Yeah I wouldn't have bought a PS2 if it wasn't possible to mod it and pay a bit for pirated games at the local tech store. But westoids had game rentals which I guess accomplished the same thing for all consoles
>>739444092>>739444251>caring this much what females think
>more powerful than ps2>woefully undersized storage medium that can't hold high resolution textures, high quality audio, or FMVsNintendo has a long history of making retarded decisions
Gamecube may have been less popular but it had a few very soulful charming games and I don't regret getting one as a kid
>>739441516I can sayThe older Sega consoles had a bit of a games problem, where they focused too much on being the competition (look how this runs on ours compared to theirs) instead of just doing their own thing. When you thibk of Sega, you think Sonic, and while Sonic as a leg of the brand is certainly good, it also highlights a problem, as there's not much else that stands out. Part of this was probably the bizarre relationship that Sega, and Sega of America had (legitimately, I'm not sure there's any other case of something much outright hostility between a company and its localization branch), a lot of Sega exclusive IPs just didn't get sent anywhere else and remained Japan exclusives. The Genesis also had the tumor problem that turned a lot of people off. For those unaware, there were several attachments to the Genesis that allowed it to play different kinds of games (think like the N64 Expansion Pak), that while interesting in theory, mostly lead to confusion. You absolutely do not want consumers not understanding how they're supposed to put something together, or buying a game for a console, and the console can't play it. Console tumors are just generally not a good idea. Then the disastrous launch of the Saturn and Dreamcast kinda sealed the deal.
>>739439072>no goldeneye or perfect dark>no proper donkey kong gameRare's FPS and Zelda basically carried the N64 as a cool console among teens in the late 90s. Donkey kong was also seeing as a cool and edgy version of Mario. Nintendo lost all of that with the gamecube so they lost part of the edge they had compared to the N64 era. They had support from Capcom with Resident Evil but that obviously didn't help. Xbox and Halo basically took all that crowd and in the end it paid off for them because the xbox ended up outselling the gamecube
>>739444224This is also trueOf the three NES that went through my life as a kid, I think only one was legit.
didn't play dvdspoor third party supportlack of marketing
>>739444590Jungle beat
>>739444067Fuck you I'm autistic not a clanker
This conversation has been done to death but anyway. The ps2 used a lot of the momentum of the PS1 which consumers flocked to because it cheaper and edgier and developers flocked to because it was easier to make games for. This in combination with it being cheaper then the competition, coming out before its competition and being a dvd player gave it a massive lead that it never dropped.Those last few things are a way bigger deal then most zoomers will realize especially being first. Being the first new and exciting thing is a really big deal just look at the 360. Before the internet there was kind of a snow ball effect with consoles kids would get hat their friends had because they used them first hand regardless of what was strongest or had the best games(i actually lived in a Game Cube town where basically no one had a ps2 but everyone had a game cube before getting 360's). I also believe the ps3 would have legitimately flopped if it wasn't for the blu ray player if it wasn't for guys at bestbuy telling moms and dad's about it things would have been way worse for the ps3 so don't ever say the ps2 being a dvd player didn't heavily effect sales.Some people might chime in that culturally the N64 and NGC won in the end because they are still talked about but thats likely because Nintendo parades its past while Playstation actively buried it(until very recently with astrobot)
>>739439321Ask Grok is currently available to 4chan Gold users only.
>>739439072>kiddy reputation>no DVDs>much smaller library >no breakout ball/gun gameIt's a cult console now largely appreciated because of how good of an emulator Dolphin is. But people discovering a decent lineup of exclusives in retrospect doesn't make up for the fact that the Game Cube was lacking some of the biggest hits of the fifth generation. No GTA, no Burnout 3, no Halo equivalent, no online connectivity worth note. And the good games it did have came out months if not years apart. I love the Game Cube like I loved the N64 before it, but both deserved to come up short in their respective markets.
>>739446394Back then I did not cared about online, but yeah games wise there would be an issue
>>739443228>It's fucking surreal how ahead of its time Gamecube was with online connectivity and play. An entire generation.huh
No games
>>739447607
>>739439072Test
>>739447672>>739447607are there versions updated for 2026?
>>739439219PS2 was never than a DVD player
not enough games
>>739439072Nintendo have always been a kidslop company.6th gen is a realistic/edgecore genre golden age.People chose GTA:SA and Killzone over Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker.
>>739447935My parents bought PS2 because it was a DVD player kek. And this was LATE in a rich country. I don't get why everyone gets so pissy about it, even if PS2 had games it also worked as a dvd player and was used as such all the time.
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>>739448048No, they didn'tStop lying on the internet
>>739445996@grok is this nigga telling the truth
>>739439403>hung out with a buddy who had one and two orange Japanese gba's so we could play crystal chronicles together. Region locked hardware was aids though.
>>739439563games in that pic are all slop and I am tired of pretending they aren't
>>739447607I always try to like Geist but I always give up halfway, maybe I just don't like shooters anymore period, but I really like the concept of ghosts and possession in a game where you're the ghost
>>739443696>>739439763Except if that were true, the PS2 wouldn't have sold classics like DMC3, the GTA games and MGS 2 Sons of Liberty like hotcakes. People bought the PS2 primarily for the games since if you wanted just a DVD player, you could've just bought one for the exact same price as a PS2 by 2001, maybe even cheaper.In fact, standalone DVD players were cheaper as per >>739440182 since a PS2 cost $299 and even by 2000, a DVD player cost $200. So no one bought the PS2 ONLY for or PRIMARILY because of its DVD capabilities.
>>739439072Retarded controller, Mini disks. That's about it.
>>739439219reminder that The Fast And The Furious started out as a street gang boosting DVD players, not PS2s.
>>739439072No dvd playerIts predeccesor was the N64And a lot of minor weird choices that made a lot of people dislike the console without actually playing the games
>>739439072it's hilarious that they gimped themselves by using the mini-DVDs with a fraction of the storage to "prevent piracy" and in the end it was the most pirated and most advanced emulator of all time
>>739439072IIRC the proprietary CD format killed it. Also people were more willing to work with Sony since Nintendo was still in their draconian phase.
>>739439243the japancore audience was also rapidly moving away from the more nintendo friendly genres (like platformers) into RPGs which everyone knows Sony was killing it with them during the PS1 which then continued into the PS2 era
>>739448115See, why are you so pissed off PS2 only sold so much because it was a DVD player?
>>739448534>They gimped themselves Not so much, actually. Look at ps2 iso sizes, many games could fit perfectly a GC mini disc because they're around 1gb. And in a hipotethical scenario big games like Final Fantasy X could fit two or three GC discs without much hassle. The real problem with GC mini discs was the fees Nintendo asked to third party developers to make games for the GC, you know, the same exact reason we have the GKC bullshit for the Switch 2, that part has never changed.
No, you see, GC would sell as much as PS2 if it had a DVD player!
>>739439072I remember the day my dad came to me and tried his hardest to convince me to get a PS2 instead of the GameCube cause he wanted a dvd player lol, he was right but I did not relent, but hey kids are retarded.
>>739439072Besides the SNES, there is not a single generation where the most powerful console won.
>>739448973Yes
>>739449145Only if you consider the Atari Jaguar, Phillips CD-I and the 3DO part of the PSone/N64/Saturn generation
>>739439563These games aged like shit i want to play mario and pokemon and zelda and smash not this 3rd party slop
>>739439072>console uses mini-DVD's which was a deal breaker for many big developers, notably square soft>In contrast to the current 9th gen of home consoles, the "winner" of the 6th gen was largely decided by 3rd party support over 1st>well behind PS2 and Xbox in regard to 3rd party titles largely due to mini-DVD limitations>unusual design of the C Stick prevented significant development of FPS titles which were extremely popular at the time>only console of the 3 that didn't support dvd video playback making it a harder purchasing decision for families with less expendable income>well behind xbox in regard to online services>first time in Nintendo's history where they had 2 major competitors instead of 1>company reputation for making child-friendly titles where a huge percentage of video game audience was teenagersThe Gamecube was honestly one of Nintendo's best consoles of all time on the virtue of 1st party library quality, it just dropped at the wrong time and had too many strange quirks.
>>739439219This is often repeated but complete bullshit because most people at the time couldn’t afford dvds, and bootlegs didn’t work on an unmodded ps2. The truth is people just liked the ps2 games more. Huge hits like GTA3, metal gear solid 2, SOCOM, and kingdom hearts all dropped within a year or two. Literally every boy in my middle school class had a ps2, some also had a gamecube or xbox, but they all had a ps2. It was just flat out the more popular console because of the games. Anyone saying otherwise is full of shit.
gamecube/ps2 threads are always the same 5 posts on repeat
>>739448312>MGS 2 Sons of Liberty Sold roughly as many copies as Melee.If games sales are roughly equal as the GCN then something besides the games bumped up hardware sales. Perhaps it was the DVD playing feature.
>>739448915>AKTSHUALLY you're talking about chd files and shit? back then when we used swapmagic it was straight up ISO baybay 4.6 GB no matter what game it was. you might not have been even born yet. GTA could have easily been on gamecube but the sheer amount of audio files made it impossible. it was a foolish mistake and then they doubled down with the wii and didn't allow it to play movies even though it was fully capable. nintendo just has some retarded japanese logic nobody will ever understand
>>739449470Jaguar and 3DO are absolutely 5th gen consoles, they released in 93 which is one year before the Saturn and Playstation. CD-i would be considered 4th gen but Philips never treated that as a game console in the first place but a media player instead.
>nintendo panicked completely, thinking that its console wasn't selling because of the lack of a DVD drive.>the dvd version of the GameCube was a flop in Japan, so no release in the west and production was discontinued>sales continued to fall, so Nintendo decided to reduce the price considerably>sales still tanking>at the end of the generation, the xbox, a dudebro soulless gaijin console, managed to outsell a nintendo consoleI few bad for the Gamecube. Too much humiliation
>>739442246The n64 is the beginning of the end for Nintendo. Lost them most of their third party support. If you really just like first party nintendo shit then it made sense to still get a gamecube. I had one. But I also had a ps2 and a great deal more games for that system than the gamecube.
>>739450819>fewfeel
>>739450819>awesome choices gamers want>e-readerthey tried
>nintendo >building theme parks and shit making childrens movies billions in merchandise sales >sony >i guess GTA 6 might come out soon? that's going to be a big pop >xbox >please just let us go back to PC we regret entering this game please don't make us do it any longer
>>739439072Didn't play DVD's.6th generation is when women took over as the primary demographic in the games industry.And women love their TV/Film because it's a """hobby""" that doesn't involved getting up off the couch.
>>739451457*I had both. But my PS2 was primarily just to watch my box sets of anime, simpsons and HBO shows.If i wanted to play games i turned on the dreamcast, the gamecube, or my neogeo MVS cabinet.
>>739439072>launched late>no killer apps to rival Halo and GTA3>no hardware features like Xbox voice chat or PS2s DVD playerXbox basically stole the couch gaming scene out from under Nintendo
>>739439563It's not revisionism. t. 45 year old who saw it with my own eyes.
First DVD I watched on my PS2 was The Grinch
>>739439920None of that has to do with cpu
>>739451603PS2 was risc that could do cool stuff. Xbox was x86 which could also do cool stuff. GC was powerpc that could only do lame stuff.
>>739439334>halo>kotor>jet set radio f>shenmue 2>ninja gaiden>morrowind>panzer dragoon>chronicles of riddick>psychonauts >fable>doa>burger king
>>739439072>Almost no games>Insisting on using tard discs because they were still seething about Sony stomping them the previous gen>Shoddy controllers (I am not interested in hearing from you smashfags the controller sucked dick)>XBOX entered the gaming scene which was also better than the GCIts another example as too why Nintendo can't really make homeconsoles. At least not normal ones that compete with PS and XBOX.
>>739451457>Didn't play DVD'It had. but since it wasn't a system seller feature, it got discontinued due to poor salesNintendo should've released zelda twilight princess in 2003, not in 2006, because the games are the system seller feature of a video game consoleAnyway, not having GTA and Final Fantasy was a death sentence
>>739439920>double discs for a sports gameno they couldnt have.
>>739439403i lost all my memory cards :(
>>739451982hey we had crystal chronicles
>>739451802Grim.
>>739444224>>739444637>there used to be an entire market of third-party Macintosh computers>they were often cheaper, more powerful and more expandable than real Apple computers, although they weren't colorful and fashionable>this made Steve Jobs so angry that he got AIDS and died
>shitcube>more powerful than PS2lmao
>>739452271Gamecube had more soul/second. Sorry.
>>739450819And that's why nintendo hates emulation and piracy. They got completely raped by it in the console wars.
>>739445436>but thats likely because Nintendo parades its past while Playstation actively buried itThisThe PS2 actually had the longest active-obsolete lifespans of any console.Not even counting its use as a DVD player for decades after.Nintendo just won't let the past die, for better or for worse.
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>>739452297>They got completely raped by it in the console wars.Except for the DS. They only wanted to protect their golden goose from the evil R4.
>>739452297ThisI imagine some middle manager saved his job by convincing his superiors pirates were why the Gamecube failed, not any of the obvious issues inherent to it, and the industry has felt the effects of that lie ever since.
>>739451875>almost no gamesbraindead take, the gamecube had one of the best 1st and 2nd party libraries of any console to date, though obviously in sheer volume it couldn't compete with the ps2>tard disks because seething about sonyThe small disks were a huge mistake for several reasons but they were used instead of standard dvd's due to manufacturing costs and piracy concerns>Shoddy controllerspurely subjective, there were a lot of strange choices made with the gamecube controller but when games are designed to work specifically with that face button layout they work very well, you still actually see people using GCN controllers which isn't something you can say about the duke or the dual shock 2>xbox entered the gaming scene which was also better than the GCDespite selling fewer units
Looking in my old game bins tells the story.I count 44 Xbox games, 68 PS2 games, and 18 Gamecube games. Even more embarrassingly, the Gamecube is actually the one we got first
>>739452271we can argue about relative compute powers all day, the simple fact of the matter is that PS2 mutliplats always looked noticeably worse on the PS2 than they did on the Gamecube or especially the Xbox. It doesn't matter if it's actually more powerful if it is functionally less powerful
>>739452271>the PS2 was over twice as powerful as the Xboxlolis that why GTA3/VC ran at higher resolution and FPS on the Bawks
