Did the Soulsfags ruin Armored Core 6?
Souls wishes it was this fast
>>739455127I just want more FROM games man. More Armored Core, more souls shit. I don't care. I like the games they make as a company and have since the late 1990s. I still have my original copy of Armored Core Master of Arena (I lost the second disc for like 5 years though and found it in an old drawer). The only game I wasn't a huge fan of was Elden Ring Nightreign.
>>739455986>AC6>fast
>>739455127They ruined the entire action/adventure and RPG genres
>>739455986The game has lock-on, Soulsish bosses, and also fucked up physics where you can unnaturally turn super fast in what is supposed to be a heavy mech several meters talls.
Filtered by the copter or Balteus?
>>739455127Absolutely not. No. Next question?
>>739455127Nah, with an asterisk there. I'm not a fan of the removal of turnspeed, but every AC game past 3 was trying something new. I would only be disappointed if AC7 (not AC6:V or whatever we may get) was the same old shit. I want to see them iterate on 6 once, then move on to more new ideas for the series.
your series is dogshit, no one cares about it, and now you want to blame people who have nothing to do with your game for why it failed?maybe its just fucking boring
no, it was the accumulation of souls assets over 15 years, coupled with ac5's terrible reception which led the developers to lean towards their more current safer design frameworks. soulsfags had fuckall to do with the direction ac6 took. what the fuck are you even trying to imply?
>>739455127No.Sekirofags did.
>>739455127I uninstalled it. Looking forward to reinstalling in a year or so.
>>739456517Filtered by the Chained Ogre?
>>739456421Armored Core is the most underrated franchise in gaming. It deserves even more fans. It deserves modern PC ports.
It suffered more from Sekiro shit than Souls shit>limited engagement ranges>stagger is not well implemented>falling off the map isn't instant death, just a % of health gone
>>739457012You're retarded if you want this
>>739457059So you're saying the game would be fixed if:>You could snipe from beyond 250 units >Stagger was "well implemented," whatever that means>Falling off just straight up killed youDoesn't sound meaningfully different to me, just nitpicks. I don't disagree with your sniper point thoughbeit. The financial aspect of 6 was also simply less relevant to the game as a whole, I suspect that's why falling is less punishing. Implementing these changes, in any case, would hardly change the game.
>>739457090Why would you not want the old AC games to become playable on PC outside of emulation? This is a great thing.
The soulsfags screeching that it wasn't I-frame nonsense was amusing at the time.
>>739455127>Did the Soulsfags
Game would be fixed by removing auto-aim and instant turning
>>739456215Copter I got on my second try, once I realized you can just hack it to death with your sword even though the tutorial tells you to fight it from a distance.Balteus took a week, it's absurdly hard with the handful of parts you have available at that point. I'm glad they nerfed him.
>>739458009Its the first half I have the issue with. AndBecause I played and kept all the games on release
>>739458297It still has soulsborne style boss fights though
>>739456171This nigga gets it
>>739455127It doesn't play anything like a Dark Souls game, so no. Armored Core fans ruin every attempt to actually talk about it because they think anything slightly different from Project Phantasma is not Armored Core and therefore shit.
>>739459253What kind of secondaries have you been talking to?
>>739456215>tfw all nightfall models are scalped to death or sold out
Just recently finished 4. Should I do Hard mode missions or just move on to 4A? I couldn't follow why White Glint went postal at the end.Still uber kino.
>>739459275The entirety of /m/. Don't worry, I don't talk to them any more.
>>739456421>>739457012I just want some FUARKING CO-OP MISSIONS DAMNNITTHIS AND ACE COMBAT ARE THE PERFECT GAMES FOR BUDDY MISSIONS LIKE DMC5BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739455127Yes, but it's ok since Dolls Nest is the real AC6 anyway.
>>739456421AC is the sole reason fromsoft is still around today pumping out dark soul clones, show some respect.
To anyone who wants more armored core, give Daemon X Machina a try (only the first one, fuck the sequel)It was made by ex-fromsoftware AC devs, specifically the ones from 2nd and 3rd gen
>>739459445>He missed out on Verdict Day Bro-op>He'll never pile bunker a boss AC in front of noobs and they all lose their shit>He'll never make friends online asking for help to S-rankGet what you deserve for being a Souls FROMfag
>>739459890That shit was 30 years ago
>>739459445>>739459890Shitting on you again for missing out on Ace Combat Infinity too.>He'l; never take on Godzilla in Tokyo Bay with his wing>He'll never fly a B1B while three other bros take on the Yellow Squadron so you can bomb the struts on multiple Stonehenge installationshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0WRW8gEXOM>He'll never take on super weapons special missions like Moby Dick or Excalibur>He'll never run assault with A-10s on CAS missions
>>739459890Nigger the first FROM game I actually played was 4A. I just was too young to properly understand the mechanics so got filtered by the first hard AC fight.>>739460198FUCK YOU ANON I HOPE YOU PISS BLOOD
>>739460237That's what you get for being a casulInifnity is at least getting a fan revival. Don't fuck up this time
>>739460336>Inifnity is at least getting a fan revivalReal shit?
>>739456804I hope you backed up your builds at least
>>739459743The first game felt like For Answer At Home. No matter how much I chased speed, I was never fast enough. The body modding shit was a cool idea but the way it made you look homogenous sucked ass. The second game, I felt like I could judge more honestly because it was trying to do its own thing and be a powersuit game but then that ended up not being very fun either. I feel like a mark having bought both at full price and now hoping, praying they can get it right on the third try.
>>739459743It's really good that you can customize the hud and if I'm not mistaken the training mode is more useful than anything put out before its release. I didn't hate it, but the cast of characters was abhorrent. I didn't really enjoy it for anything other than the mecha.
>>739460572They've got the Campaign working so far and a few planes. Look it up.
>>739455127>Did the Soulsfags ruin Armored Core 6?devs did that themselves by over nerfing the PvE. Miyizaki proven wrong about difficulty modes once again. they really should have an easy mode for the shitters to play so the devs dont need to throw out their original vision.Here is ongbal beating Balteushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1mV_6-cvDAHere is some random shitter (me) beating balteus after he was nerfed into the fucking ground.https://youtu.be/H-joNaUdXfE
>>739460025More like half of that but yeah, it’s been a while.
>>739460025That's your problem.
>>739460809Anon...They have multiplayer workinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twvm-aievZU
>>739460901DisgracefulThankfully you can mod the unnerfed bosses back in
>>739456215nobody was filtered by this baby game where you could just put on the strongest weapons and kill the bosses in seconds
They really need to let us put a melee weapon in each hand. That way we can make dual wielding melee builds.
>>739455127Ruin it? They couldn't even beat it.
>>739461390>light specced boost maxxed dual wielding katana mechcummminggg
>>739461390There was nothing more terrifying to me than seeing a meleefag coming at me going mach 10 with dual moonlights in VDWas cool because when you activated them at the same time they looked like a butterfly
>>739461390I think if they do that then melee might need to be re-balanced. If you can follow up two melee attacks with a back swap to another two melee strikes, you're looking at pure instagib builds. I do hope they bring back the arm parts that had dual blades, which is appropriately balanced in that you can't swap anything into their hands.
>Gen 1 fagsOldfags that hate trying new things/>Gen 2 fagsNon-exisitant and iirevelant>Gen 3 fagsLoud mouth that think lore and being the "hardest" part of the series make them think they're above everyone>Gen 4 fagsCrack Addicts>Gen 5 fagsMUH PVP>Gen 6 fagsSoul tards baited into the series
>739461732>RedditspacingfagsNigger
Chromehounds 2
Yes, fromslop tourists ruin everything
>>739461943You might get someone with this
>>739461576gen 3 gameplay with gen 4 weapon controls would be perfect
>>739460901>they really should have an easy mode for the shitters to play so the devs dont need to throw out their original vision.There's no h+ in 6?
>>739455127I like them all.Some are stronger than others but they're all really enjoyable.Mech games are rare, good ones even rarer. Grand scheme, the differences are pretty minor. Impactful at times, but still minor.
>>739461861That was just ACV
>>739462217>he likes Formula Front and 9Breakerliar
>>739462094Just give gen 4 gameplay and gen 4 controls with gen 4 writing and gen 4. All gen 4 was missing was playable netcode.
>>739462145No, but he's probably actually referring to a screen at the start of the game asking if you want to play on Normal or Easy. I think they stopped doing Human Plus on the PS2 somewhere
>>739455127Absolutely. It's not the worst armored core game but with how stagger works and how there's no downside to tank legs, it's definitely bottom 5 in the series
>>739462285I enjoyed them when they were new, I probably wouldn't go back to play them though.
>>739459375>I couldn't follow why White Glint went postal at the end.From what I understood, they'd essentially threatened to kill all of his loved ones if he didn't do it
>>739462352Stagger is just that one mechanic that was praised early for being interesting for how it changed approaches.But it's a dog shit mechanic when it's in everything.Was it Resonance of Fate that started it? I can't think of anything earlier off the top of my head. But that was the game that was praised specifically because of it.
>>739459375I fucking miss stabilisers.
I'm currently playing Armored Core 2.I just got a question, why is it being addressed that Leos Klein is the main protag of MoA, when that was the guy briefing missions to you, that winds up cutting you off after following Progtech tasks halfway through the game? Or am I missing something?
>>739462279I can't mount five howitzers and play artillery boy on my AC in V. The walljumping and urban warfare was fun, but I wasn't a fan of Scan mode.
>>739462510FF13 combat heavily involves staggering, to the point that boss battles are generally about filling the stagger meter so you can get to the part where your moves actually do damage.
>>739455127>Removal of turn speed>Every enemy except bosses are fodder>No downside to picking the generator that gives the largest amount of energy>No downside to overboostIt's fine as a way to introduce players to the series but it's not really an armored core game. They really just ruined a lot of shit so soulfags would give the game a try
>>739462743Yeah, but everybody was hating that game in general while Resonance was praised for it in particular.Paradigm's also muddied the hell out of it.
>>739455127>Had a shit ton of fun with this game on my dual laser pistol build>Get the urge to play it again>Load up my old robot>Aww shiiiit here we go>Shots keep overcharging and bringing me into firing stance>The fuck>Check patches>Laser pistol charge time got reduced to the lowest in the game>If you tap the trigger for a fraction of a second too long you get put into firing stance for a charge shot, a death sentence for any lightweight carrying this thingFUCK YOU FROM YOU FAGGOTS WHO WANTED THIS???
>>739460901honestly if the spider and balteus switched positions in the story there wouldn't have been so much crying
>>739462597I didn't know what the hell I was doing with them. Apparently they assist in directional boosts?>>739462510FF13 was all about it and it was fucking annoying. Constant spastic command selecting and job switching to keep the stagger bar up too.
>>739462894The kinteic postols are better anyway, always were.
>>739462894bro just switch to kinetic pistols or SMGs
>>739462984Fuckin loved that AK knockoff and the DUHRILLUShotgun shoulder laser was kino as fuck too since it did great damage at close range or you could charge it for a beamshot.
>>739462939>Apparently they assist in directional boosts?They affected quite a lot of movement. Enough to be noticeable but most just aimed for balance over using it to their advantage.>>739462939Everything about 13 was just kinda shit though. It alos fell heavily into the the 'you do no damage without it' crap which just made things so much worse.
>>739462743Did you forget to take your sunglasses off when you took this pic?
>>739462942>>739462984I have another build for kinetic pistols. I'm just mad I have to make my laser build heavier to grab laser rifles instead of speedmaxxing the way I like.
>>739462285>Shitting on Formula FrontYou're gay
>>739457012Fires of Rubicon sold over 3 million units, the highest in franchise history. Safe to say it got it.
>>739463140It doesn't make the game look good, but there's so much shit on the screen, I wanted to draw the eye to the thing I was talking about.
>>739463352This is pretty disingenuous when the last game before that was over 10 years ago and FS had not surges in popularity
>Raven, your next target is a giant heavy tank, built on bipedal legs"Ok, so obviously it's movement is crippled due to all that weight on just two legs?" >Actually Raven, it's VERY FUCKING FAST
>>739463352Yeah but this only assures that we are getting AC6 style games for the foreseeable future
I never used any mech that wasn’t melee focused with basho arms or whatever they were called, also fucking loved the coral sword and moonlight sword
>>739464198I love that little laser dagger too much to use any of the other options
i dont understand the cognitive dissonance of people complaining about the fast turns>ACs from previous gens being able to instantly accelerate into retarded deranged speeds in an instant? going from top speed in one direction to top speed in the opposite direction in an instant? yeah this is fine and absolutely fits my heavy weighty mech fantasy>a bipedal futuristic robot can turn around at the same speed of a perfectly normal biped? AAAAAAHHH CASUALIZED SLOP
>>739455127I grew up playing the AC games and loving them despite their excessive jank. I fucking HATED AC:V, I didn't want to give AC:VI a chance because of it but the promise of another change got me curious. I remember buying the game. Playing the game, getting stuck on a few bosses for a while and then beating them after a short break... and then nothing. I had to look at my achievements to see if I beat it and apparently, I did. It was a game so completely and utterly forgettable that I don't even remember beating it. I don't feel hate or joy for Armored Core anymore. I can't even tune into my nostalgia for the PSX and PS2 titles, all I feel is just feel apathy for it now.
>>739464517Same. Hated V. Loved VD though.VI is ok but the posture break from sekiro is in it so you're just stacking as much damage as you an to get that up while dodging to go full retard on bosses. Story is pretty gud. Music is meh which is sad for FreQuency.
>>739464517Irrelevant drivel of a jaded mongrel
>>739464769i dont know why they call it posture break from sekiro, its nothing alike. I mean sure it is a stagger bar but sekiro, ac6 and elden ring are all part of the same development cycle and they all had this shit
>>739464517this is nonsensical drivelpeople unironically praise ac6 specifically for having a memorable story and charactersits not the games' fault you were drunk or whatever when you decided to beat it like holy shit youre the first person to ever say some retarded shit like this
>>739455127Played 6, loved it and went backTransferred both my saves from the last 2 games, on Master of Arena nowCan you guys share some wallpapers and artwork of the franchise?
>>739462783dude just kite the heavies lmaooo
>>739462352Haven’t you heard? Tanks were nerfed to the ground!
>>739462323Well, at least you’re getting Omega Phenex.
The people who shitposted about the lock on and your AC being able to turn on a dime before release were more right than wrong at the end of the day.
>>739456171kek
>>739465089I didn't really like the posture break in Sekiro because filling it basically killed the enemy and most bosses were way easier to posture break than beat normally. AC6 tones it way down to being a chance to hit them again, so it seemed more like it fit with everything else.
>>739464774>>739465162Get mad. Stay mad. Die mad. I still play tons of games and have fun. AC:VI though, eh? Meh.
>>739465269Give DxM a try if you enjoyed AC6 >>739459743
>>739456189Slow turning is bad gameplay.
>>739465269there's a CRT filter now?
>>739455127I played AC 2 and a little bit of 3 as a kid and I don't remember there ever being big fuck ass huge boss fights. There were a few set piece missions, but most "bosses" were just other AC's from what I remember. This was my biggest complaint about AC6. If I wanted to play a game that was just fight garbage to get to the next simon says moveset memorization boss fight, I'd go play Dark Souls or Elden Ring or fucking Monster Hunter. I'm not interested in Mecha boss rush, I'm interested in Armored Core. In that aspect, yes, soulsfags absolutely ruined AC. Overall though, I enjoyed the game. I'm not as butthurt about the turnspeeds and movement tech, it felt like natural progression for the series rather than a departure from. I was disappointed by the lack of customization as well as the overall look of AC's being too sleek and flowing rather than very harsh and angular like previous entries. I didn't mind the stagger, but most fights just turned into who could stagger first before dumping massive burst damage rather than being a sort of dance to try and track your opponent while also dodging them. The last complaint I had with the game is how limited you are in fighting range. The damage falloff of most guns and the ineffectiveness of long range weapons means pretty much every fight is a close range brawl and so the meta at launch was two shotguns and two cannons. I'm glad the game was made and I'd definitely play more, but it's pretty clear the direction they went with the game was just Dark Souls but with guns. I want to see less bosses, more parts and viability, and tone down stagger to bring back the dance feel from the old games.
>>739466197>I played AC 2 and a little bit of 3 as a kid and I don't remember there ever being big fuck ass huge boss fights.You don't miss much really
>>739466197IIRC SL had the Giant MT missions and Nexus had IBIS4/a had quite a few giant bosses but that was a Miyazaki directed game/ V had some. VD had quite a few in the MP Special sorties
>>739462783>No downside to overboostThis is the most retarded thing they've ever put into this game which is really odd to me since they understood that it needed a downside in every other AC game
>>739460901I fought both versions of him then. I actually played through most of this game unpatched. Its wild to me how even after nerfing the zimmerman's those damn things are still like SSS tier as weapons. Also really enjoyed using those heavy machine guns. Better than the gattling guns imo. This game had some really great boss fights overall.
>>739466705I've heard good things about 4A, I would have been interested to play the later games but my family ended up getting an xbox though and so I got into MechWarrior and Halo and also played a bunch of RuneScape at the public library. Had a lot of good memories with 2 though. I really liked the main menu music and sound effects.
>>739455127Well, no, fromsoft did.
>>739462510>>739462743It's not inherently bad for action or even semi-tb games, just doesn't belong in a fucking AC game at all. Especially when the series previously had stagger that worked in a way that actually made sense.
>>739456215I did burn first then save and this was kino as fuck. If you didn't run into Raven during your first playthrough in it he loses so much menace.
Bring back lockboxes instead of auto lock
>>739461732There wasn't any real generational separation fanbasewise until 4a(a specifically).
>>739465162>people unironically praise ac6 specifically for having a memorable story and charactersNot him but I praise for the retarded amount of customization and "side" grade builds you can use, even if Stagger is faggot tard tier.
>>739467409>Especially when the series previously had stagger that worked in a way that actually made sense.That's precisely why they went with it.
>>739464374It’s just a specific brand of lightweight autism>I should be able to run circles around him so he doesn’t even know where I am!
>>739464374Go fast boosters make sense, fast turny walky doesn't.
>>739464374>I'm a newfag to AC and my identity is being attacked
>>739469362Going faster than they can turn or faster than their ACS can track was legit though.It builds an entire strategic layer around positioning, spacing and prediction.I never used the hard-lock in 6, outside of specific fights, because of the reduced tracking. If you can keep up with soft-lock only, you have the advantage.
>>739469451Being able to decelerate and accelerate back to top speed almost instantly is not realistic at all.
>>739455127'fraid so
>>739469641It absolutely is when you are doing it via fat fucking boosters. Granted the Gs would kill you.
>>739464374Can you make it anymore obvious that you haven't played any AC except for 4A and 6?
>>739455127I wish we had a multiplayer with big maps, 64 players, and also with the tech including turn rate, old school fcs ( manual control lockboxes ), weapon arms, special parts, different radars and tech included with specific parts that change the UI, all that stuff. If no big multiplayer at least an arena mode with bots you can customize. Can you believe that AC arena had bots you can customize ( time spent in the air, aggressiveness, playstyle, firing habits, endurance managm, and more )? ON FUCKING PS1?
Are you guys ready for the June release of this Rogue-like Armored Core game?
>>739456140ditto maneI'd prefer them not to retread elden ring because the DLC was, I think, the absolute limit of how much gitguddery I can tolerate. I'm 30 years old, I have a kid, I don't want to resort to brute force memorization of boss patterns and timings
>>739464374>Midwits nigger confusing gameplay concerns with muh realism awardtaking away weight and positioning management so the game can be fully about stagger and melee turned it almost into an hack n slash and I despise that. Mind numbing weapon cycling operation with magnetized melee slop. Good thing the art, atmosphere, story, ost, everything else really were 10/10 or I'd be mad.
>>739470374Nah it's pretty bad.
>>739460901I have a physical version so I can play the original armored core 6 game at will.
>>739463140The game was putting him to sleep, so his eyelids were half closed when he took the capture.
>>739455127AC6:FoR is a great game. Having said that: yes, to some extent.
>>739463240I have an idea to fix armored core and make it the greatest game ever made are you ready, really you people should sit down. Instead of making average mech noises the robots make F1 sounds, like the cars. Same way they did it in wipeout on ps vita. And the bad guys make that engine noise you hear from the orb shaped ships in star wars. I authorize fromsoft to steal my genius idea.
>>7394605852 bombed so bad there won't be a 3.
>>739471113>orb shaped shipsI mean those guys for reference https://youtu.be/-iGk7MT_0R0
I just picked up the game a few days ago and have been destroying it in my spare time as a stay home dad. I'm not even playing directly on my monitor, I'm streaming it from my gaming PC over Ethernet to my router and then over Wi-Fi to my phone in another room, with a DualSense linked to my phone all over the Moonlight app. I'm finding the game pretty easy all things considered. So far the only thing that gave me trouble was the damn stealth mission until I just said fuck it and rammed right through between the skyscrapers and snuck right in.
>>739470506>magnetized melee slopGreat job outing yourself as a secondary.
>Listen, I don't like annoyances.
>>739469703no its notno fast vehicle on earth can do it at 100km/h at the pace an ac does let alone at whatever the fuck nexts fly at
>>739471354Sorry I only played og ps1 ac, where melee was hard as shit.
>>739463352AC6 sold more than any mech game ever made at any point in history. It obviously didn’t clear Elden Ring numbers but to call it a massive success is an understatement.
>>739470030Old AC was more grounded but thats besides the pointMatter of fact is that everyone moaning about this shit in ac6 sees no problem with 4A
>>739461732>tranny fags(you)
>>739470506>being able to turn around instantly removes all positioning management, but being able to instantly zoom infinite distances that completely invalidates every npc enemy in the game doesnt????at least in ac6 you interact with the enemy on somewhat equal levels. In 4th gen the enemy ai cant put up with mosquito bullshit at all
>>739465269MYSTERY NIGGA (again)
>>739471367*jobs*
>>739459743>>739465694>literal anime shit with a shitty story>goes to power armor after AC6 exist and humiliate themlol no
>>739465461make it so lock on works within the lockbox and doesn't automatically turn your ac by targeting eternally. And leave the ability to do quick turns while boosting and 180 but at the cost of half your EN.There fixed the game, bosses are still fromsouls bosses not obeying the same logic however so they need to be reworked entirely
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>>739471162That's fine too, frankly.
>>739455127No? AC6 doesn't have i-frames on the dodge/boost so by default soulsfags don't like it because they need their i-frame baby button to feel hardcore and cool.
>>739471517I was thinking about pvp scenarios, and insta lockon/turns do kill positioning. Play ac PS1 games it's all about facing your opponent and repositioning when you fuck up. The biggest nightmare is losing sight of your enemy in them.
>>739456421>maybe its just fucking boringrollslop
After seeing how miserable ACfags are I don’t think they deserve this gem. It’s too good for them.
>>739455127Not especially but they did bring their expectations to the series trying to make it their own thing as usual shifting towards it, before ultimately either getting filtered to Balteus or that fucking helicopter or just finishing one play through of the game and bailing on the rest.
>>739471447I don't like 4A either.
>>739471746Dude, give up on the newtype outmanuveran memes and just kite against heavies.
>>739471418You really shouldn’t be saying shit about something you haven’t properly experienced.
>>739471418Melee was magnetized even back then.
>>739456171this
>>739472602I do remember using sword spam to kill the ECM drones in the Chemicaldyne mission.
>>739471405Cars don't have fuckhuge boosters on them you retard.
>>739473036Then shouldn’t they be able to instantaneously turn as well? No, not like quick turns, I mean all the time.
>>739473160If they used thrusters, sure. Otherwise no.
>>739456215i got helicopter on first trybalteus was the first hurdlecel smashed my balls. though the second playthrough i killed her on kbm without the use of my shoulders (long story)
>>739472318>>739472602>niggerfaggots who don't like being wrong and dare to compare meleeshit in ac6 with PS1 ac
>>739471447The reason people don't have an issue with it in 4A was because heavy NEXTs are way slower than lighter ones and they have a turn penalty like in all the previous games. That isn't the case in AC6 which is why people are bitching about it.
>>739472273How exactly do you kite against tanks who are just as fast as you and are harder to stagger and kill?
>>739456189The animation shows the small boosters firing when you turn. Maybe they planned instant turn to consume boost gauge, but it was just too annoying.
>>739472602Maybe in 4 and 4A. It was absolutely not magnetized in generations 1-3
>>739473496Build better. No tank should be as fast as a lite biped even the wheelchair. Stay in the air.
>>739471746>i was thinking about pvp scenarioscomplaining about this in the context of pvp is actually extremely immensurably retarded1. Its fucking pvp. People will be naturally better. It does not kill positioning or movement because you are dealing with another player that will pull any bullshit necessary, whoever does it slightly better wins. So as a result theres a lot of positioning and freeaim autism in both styles of games. Like yeah you no longer care about losing sight in ac6 but you also now care about other things that dont matter in ac4a, ps1 games, or vice versa. And it makes no sense to dick measure which one is better or tougher because they are all retardedly unbalanced anyway.2. PVP is by far the most irrelevant part of armored core. and i say this as someone who likes pvp in almost every game
>>739473362Not either of them, but I'm playing PS1 AC right now >>739465269 and I can attest that the melee magnetism is insane in first genIf you melee in the air, the magnetism is so strong that your AC wigs out and accelerates in like 3-4 directions by way of tracking if you're above the enemy
>>739473036Literally nothing with thrusters and boosters can do this you double retardGo ahead and show me one vehicle on earth capable of doing this. Spoilers; We cant even fucking do it in space.>>739473461Heavies in AC6 have their own share of setbacks all things consideredThe "heavy is automatically better" meme never made sense in PvE and it quickly stopped making sense in PvP
>>739473672retards here who fanboy inferior old games just like to say shit because they think its unlikely anyone will call them outyou never see people doing this for old games that are actually good
>>739458297Then you'd have to convince From to stop being wedded to stick aiming, because trying to aim with an analog stick without auto aim is a fucking nightmare.
>>739473742Don’t be a hyperbolic faggot. Lots of the old ACs are good, it’s just that 6 is better.
>>739473694Going Heavy in AC6 has 0 downsides and you've never played PvP if you honestly think that's the case. Nothing stops a tank from just assault boosting in your face 24/7 and you can't break the lock because hard lock exists. All of the downsides of heavy AC's no longer exist in 6 and with how stagger works, they are just objectively better than everything else.
>>739460901Thank god I beat this before any patches. AC6 has issues but the thing that would fix most of it for me would be a proper hard mode.
>>739473837>it’s just that 6 is better.lmao
>>739473865first of all, going heavy in PvE has 938492 downsides and thats what matters mostsecond, i reached S rank as a light mech and struggled staying there with a meta heavy mech so idk. The ability to boost and dodge shit so much faster is extremely good specially if youre playing gimmicky freeaim projectile buildsIf someone is assault boosting towards you its simultaneously an opening for them to eat shit if you land a good move just right, if you really wanna keep distance you can literally just boost away and have way better EN for that>okay but whats the good of boosting away? Theyre looking at you and youre not looking away from themclearly you never tried a 384u283828km freeaim chip bullshit strat
>>739473898On the feel of melee alone I think that’s close to an objective truth.
>>739455127They're not the same people
>>739473620You are gay for niggers
>>739464517>I fucking HATED AC:VSame. Turning scan mode on and off every other second made me feel like I was manually breathing the entire run of the game. I almost had a fucking heart attack in the AC:VI trailer when Raven's visor goes on at the end because it looked like an AC engaging scan mode. Fuck the weapon damage triangle, fuck the story, fuck that game. No surprise it buried the series for almost a decade.
>>739473694Show me a single vehicle on earth that is even remotely as advanced as even a gen 1 AC. You can't. Anon this is simple physics, you apply enough force in a direction and shit moves, you apply more and it accelerates faster. All you need is big enough force.
>>739473817The lockbox worked perfectly fine with a stick, especially because you could change out your parts to tweak how it worked to fit your build.
>>739473975Keep in mind that heavies got nerfed while lights got buffed. Those not up to speed will make erroneous statements based on obsolete knowledge.
>>739474275I keep missing my shots even with a wide FCS combined with a weapon that also has a wide FCS, therefore hard lock should be mandatory!
>>739471367How are the PS1 era AC games /v/?
>>739473620you know I refer to the mechanical work of positioning yourself, of course people still "position" themselves to have the advantage. They move around. Or else it'd be a turn based rpg.>>739473672>>739473742And another case of "technically I'm right" nigger, twice in a row. Using rhetorical tricks to get a dopamine shot on /v/ like if you were fishing for upboats on twitter. Very feminine posting and despicable. When someone's complaining about the melee slop in ac6 and he's getting interrupted by someone spouting "AKATHUALLY ITS MAGNETIZED ON AC PS1 TOO" you really wish for a nuclear holocaust. LIKE IS THOSE MELEE SYSTEMS ARE IN ANY SENSIBLE WAY COMPARABLE NIGGER BOARD FOR NIGGER BRAINED INDIVIDUALS
>>739464374The giant robot fantasy relies on arbitrary parallels to tanks and fighter jets which were established as the core fundamental game mechanics of the series while the only fantasy you have is about sucking cock.
>>739474530I think the melee was harder in AC6 tbqhwyf, but I'm going to continue having fun working through the series regardless frenI kinda wish I could abuse the blade beam, but human plus seems like shitter mode so I stayed a basic human all the way to MoA now
>>739474714>played moa on a shitty emulator making the frame rate even worse, no save >finished story mission/arena>boughterined the game again on a whim on snoistore to send a signal to from>"oh hey you can activate human+ in a bonus menu">didn't feel like it changed my experience drastically I deleted hustler1 on emulator all the same the moment I entered his cuck factory after nuking his minions, same for the arena. Is it glitching or broke on ps store? I had way more EN I guess.
>>739455127No.FROMSOFT forgetting how to design a boss that doesn't cheat is what ruined some of it.
>>739475131Out. Fucking. Skilled.
>>739474512They’re good.
>>739475131the virgin stakemech vs Chad unoptimized shitbuild
>>739475171I don't think there's skill involved in cancelling the stagger gauge whenever you're in danger of actually being hit.
>>739455127My issue with ACVI was not enough OST with lyrics, needed more weapons and armor, a DLC or spinoff is long overdue and edit locks preventing me from using custom decals someone made because I don’t like their weapons
>>739474676But before they were compared to military machines, they were mechanical superheroes.
>>739475281I made and shared a meme Pfizer paint job on a terrible core using the viento and made it horribly balanced on purpose because fuck viento
>>739475131The enemy A.I. has been cheating since the first gameThe top 20 Arena contenders in Phantasma blatantly cheat in different ways, I was taken aback because AC vs AC fights in 6 were pretty straightforward in comparisonSimply put, the A.I. cheating is a series tradition
>>739474512>timed train mission>timed bomb planting mission>sitting on a tiny submarine with pests flying around>timed hitman mission while fighting another mech >boarding the derelict spaceship ( we need a mission justifying the existence of the automap function please understand )it's great fun
>>7394741626 still had the damage triangle and some enemies with high defense of a certain type, it just still crumbled under the same weapon no matter if someone had defense against them or not.
The music in these games is quite based I must sayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nCg1yCUOTc
>>739473496Dude is technically right, you're basically invincible while falling in 6. With the coral generators you recharge instantly on touching the ground too, so you end up bunnyhopping and it's really annoying. I'd rather just have to worry about turnspeed, it's considerably more interesting.
>>739474213>you can apply enough force in a direction and shit movesIf you wanna argue for simple physics, the force necessary to make an obstacle go from 500 KM/H in one direction to X KM/H in another direction anywhere under 1 second is EXTREMELY strong compared to the one that can get to 500 km/h from an idle position in 1 second.In other words: you are absolutely fucking retarded and theres no logical justification for a machine to be able to instantly reverse its own movement like that, unless its maximum speed was much higher than what it was going for the first place. Which it isnt
>>739477731>X km/hmeant to write 500km/h
>>739477731>>739477805dude just quickboost twice in quick succession lmaooo
>>739460901>pre nerf Balteus
>>739455127No. The game shifted its pacing in 4 & 5 to fast and already killed off half the die hard fan base. People who adapted loved the changes but the bullshit that the interface was good was the most ridiculous kind of copium to have sprouted. Even old school JP only Gundam games worked out the interface and you had the arcade lock on that was miles better than the camera locking. 6 was refreshing the formula and did it really well since the story and delivery of it got way better.
>>739455127Ruin how? By not giving a damn?
I'm tired of people pretending that Balteus was hard.
>>739461276>you could just put on the strongest weapons and kill the bosses in secondsGood luck with that when Helicopter is a tutorial boss and you're locked to certain weapons fighting Balteus, bandwagoner.
>>739455127Armored core is an overrated 6/10 game
>>739475131You would've lost anyway shitter, lol
>>739475319Capeshit is shit no matter how it is presented.
>>739481327I agreet. spent my whole day 100%'ing AC3 from scratch today
>>739475171kek this. Dummy should have known that wasn't going to work.
>>739456189I would not call these Soulsish bosses. I would just call this modern boss design in 3D games. We are not going to have shit like Phantasma with the level of interactivity that had
>>739472602>>739473672>>739473742this is the same retarded shit arguing 6babies always do>staggers were always in AC bro (even though it was just a normal hitstun which you can mitigate with optional parts and not a permanent meter you fill up so the enemy stops working for a minute and you can blow all your big guns for extra damage)>turn speed didn't always matter in AC because of 4A bro (even though quick turns take skills to be effective and use your boost meter unlike a game that literally plays itself for you)>magnetized melee was always in AC bro (even though it was just a simple boost in the direction of the enemy that was most of the time useless and caused overshooting if not used well and not a literal autotracking slop that slides your mech directly in front of your enemy, will glue your mech on his face, and will change directions midway through if needed)
>>739483306Doesn't change the fact that blade homing was always a thing.
>>739483538yeah yeah you are spiritually jewish and morally corrupt, you've presented yourself that way multiple times alreadywe know
>>739483621Should've been more precise with how you articulated your arguments then. People may have different views from you on certain subjects.
>>739483306Jesus christ, I haven't played 6 yet but what the fuck is that webm. That's not armored core, that's zone of the enders(and I like ZOE, but it's not AC).
>>739483775You’re the type of faggot who would keep insisting that AC1 had hardlock.
>>739483897Why shouldn’t Armored Core be Zone of the Enders?
>>739483306Genuinely what the fuck am I supposed to be seeing here?
>>739484290A pulse blade-krsv combo, I think.
>>739483306Don't encode webms in 1080p, it's overkill and looks like total ass when you need all the bitrate you can get.
I'm going through NG+ now and the the game is still pretty dull. The levels aren't great and every enemy bar the bosses are mindless fodder. Feels like a musou game.Anyone have a fun build for me to try? I'm playing a tank at the moment and the first build was lightweight dual laser pistols.
