Thoughts on Team Asano games? Are they good? Are u looking forward to the adventures of Elliot?
>>739467310My most anticipated game yeah
>>739467310>70% yapping about nothing>30% gameplayno thanks
>>739470627>yappingDumb zoom zoom
>>739467310they are the definiton of soulless nipslop, just look at those titles and font
Painfully mid
>>739467310>Are u looking forward to the adventures of Elliot?I hope there's some kind of "normal mode" cause the steam demo has you playing on the easiest difficulty ever created in games ever and that dumb princess bitch doesn't shut the hell up.
>>739467310Square Enix should shut them down and make like 18 different GaaS titles instead.
>>739467310Bravely Default 1 is close to being the best JRPG ever made, the only set of games that even compete are SMT3-5Brave/Default system is on-par with Press-Turn, it's just THAT good
>>739473270The mechanics are great, shame about the writing.
>>739467310They are overrated and it blows my mind to see Square Enix fans argue that turn based enjoyers should be happy with Team Asano shit. When the reality is that they will never in a million years be able to make something like FFVI. Adventures of Elliot was designed explicitly to replicate the experience of a vtuber commenting on every of your moves and that is something no other dev studio would have allowed in their games. Cause they know lots of people will absolutely hate it. Same with Octopath Traveler and 8 characters not interacting with each other.
>>739473270I hate Bravely Default 1 for setting unrealistic expectations going forward. Team Asano made 7/10 games before that and have done nothing but 7/10 games since. The only parts that elevated Bravely Default 1 was hiring outside talent in form of a scenario writer and composer.
>>739472786This. They're the equivalent of gacha fast-food for bugs in that niche.
they need to get someone to name their games.I thought Octopath Traveller was the worst generic name ever made, then they topped themselved with "Triangle Strategy". Then, when I thought their bad naming powers has peaked with that, they outdone themselves with "Elliot"
>>739467310I don't care what anyone says, I like the HD-2D look in their games and I'm tired of pretending I don't.
>>739467310somehow these titles simultaneously embody all the downsides of fake western jrpgs like Sea of Stars and off-brand japanslop published by Kemco or whatever. i would really like to see a secret of mana/ys-like do well but they had to step on their own toes by calling the game the fucking "Adventures of Elliott"
The first Bravely Default was a solid jrpg and Octopath Traveller was interesting in how it tried to implement wrpg mechanics into a jrpg game but everything else Team Asano has made has been mediocre
I can't believe how fucking ugly these games are. And I know you can make 2D-HD look amazing, they just have 0 talent for it.
I liked Bravely Default until the retarded repetitive part. I am playing Triangle Strategy and there's way too much talking for an uninteresting story, but the gameplay is fun. HD 2D is horrendous. I wish they stuck with the BD aesthetic instead of this dogshit.
It was that easy all along.
>>739473424>The only parts that elevated Bravely Default 1>composeryes>scenario writerwutIt was the gameplay mechanics, art, and music, that's what makes BD1 so fucking good. No ones gives a shit about the scenario
Triangle Strategy had a really great story but reading 2 hours of story and then 10mins of gameplay wasn’t what I expected when I got it. Still great though, the story is really that good.Octopath Traveler sucked. Octopath Traveler 2 was amazing. Octopath Traveler 0 was good, but overly long. Adventures of Elliot should be good, the demo is good, I have high expectations. They need to work on their naming though. Like if your ideas are this bad maybe just use AI to get suggestions for good names that will sell.
>>739473825Visions of mana was the most tedious shit slop ever though. I got to the earth dungeon and dropped it because I simply couldn't handle any more complete shit. I was *desperate* like it too because I love mana games
>>739473825we like convoluted story lines and tons of repetitive anime style juvenile dialogue along with a self insert mc here actually trails of shart steel is beloved for this reason the amount of tedious yap garbage dialogue is proportional to how glazed it gets in jrpg circles
>>739473853The writing is clearly the best of any JRPG released since the PSX era. It was written by the Stein's Gate author. Even just the setup for the sequel's scenario is better than anything in the sequels.
>>739467310I was looking forward to the adventures of elliot until I found out it's packed with Kernal level malware denuvo, and it's not on switch one. fuck those people I'm going to pirate. too bad I wanted to buy it.
>>739467310they keep making better games than the bloated mess AAA final fantasies that square keeps shitting out. I liked octopath 0 and I'm planning on getting elliot. they need to hire a guy whose only job is to produce title names.
All these names are dogshit. They need to hire someone to make the names less awful so people actually buy them.
>>739473171It lets you choose the difficuly. I played on hard and it wasn't bad. There was a very hard mode too.I agree that the princess doesn't shut the fuck up. There was a setting to make her talk less but it didn't seem to do much.
>>739473171Check the options, retard.
Sex with Ochette
>>739467310They need to find a better naming director or whoever the fuck comes up with the name for things.
>>739472745sorry ill translate to millennitroonish: "hecking talkerino!"
>>739468810Bro has low standards kek
>>739467310>Elliot Roger>Elliot PageI have never seen, heard, or known a person with the name Elliot that was worth a damn and that game will not be any different.
>>739474029Funny enough, the reason I don't like Trails games is exactly everything you just said. It's not that I hate anime tropes, but when they go way overboard with them, it has the opposite effect on me. It's so painfully generic that I feel kind of insulted.
>>739474193what about Elliot from E.T.?
>>739467310These are the only square enix games I play. And pixel remasters. And SOP. And DQ remasters.
>>739467310>Bravely default Perfect>Triangle strategy Fire Emblem likes suck ass>Octopath TravelerToo much grinding I dropped it>ElliotIs going to be Kino>Overall So so
>>739474454>Is going to be KinoWhy? How? Just having that annoying fucking fairy commenting on everything makes it worse than any other game in the genre.
>>739474161He's not wrong. An RPG could only spend the first 20-30 minutes establishing the characters and world-building before taking off, and zoomies would think it's slow-paced; attention span is dead nowadays.
>>739467310octopath is one of the ugliest and most soulless game I've played, havent played the others
Team Asano has souls. They never stop experimenting new ideas in traditional rpgs
>>739467310Asano and the Paranormasight team carry Square at his point.
>>739474750Zoomers are right. When was the last time you randomly picked up a JRPG and just played it without a recommendation? You can't because the timesink is too significant if it turns out to be unremarkable.
>>739474942last jrpg I picked up with a rec was chained echoes and it's legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played.
>>739474942>When was the last time you randomly picked up a JRPG and just played it without a recommendation?E33. Looked forward to it from its initial reveal. I remember thinking during the opening, "Huh, that was quick. wish I could've spent more time in Lumiere."Only to see ADHD zoomers like yourself complain that it took too long to begin. And it's not just the opening. Literally any cutscene; anything that requires them to stop playing for a moment to drive the story forward is too much.It has nothing to do with being a "timesink" or respect for your own time, but a lack of attention span.
>>739467310>Games retards larp as if they actually played themand of course they actually bought at full price
>>739473806>And I know you can make 2D-HD look amazinglies, it has never been done and it can't be done2dhd is a garbage medium
>>739475213Are you implying they buy them at full price only to never play them? Or you not know what "larp" means?
>>739475190E33 wasn't slow, it was just pretentious garbage.
>>739475247It's one thing not to like it, but don't pretend you're not in the vast minority for thinking it's ugly.
>>739475190Based zoomersYou can keep your slow ass games to yourself, UNC
>>739475327I was asked to name a game, and I did. The point is, zoomers have no patience for proper storytelling today. They demand instant gratification; no time for world building, no time for story beats, no time for character development, no time build up.Don't act as if it's due to a lack of respect for their time, when in reality, they're just dumb.
>>739474750zoomers like RPGs because they have actual gameplay. JRPG's are barely RPGs and are mostly cringe melodramatic moviegames with horrifically shit "combat" that is baby level simplistic. look at the popularity of baldurs gate 3 if you think zoomers somehow dont like RPGs
>>739473270>Bravely Default 1 is close to being the best JRPGI didn't even bother reading the rest of your sentence. Holy shit, you're dumb.
>>739475341prove me wrong thenshow me the mona lisa of 2dhd
>>739475491Why do you resent having your time respected?
>>739474652It won't have grinding
>>739473806Is that supposed to be your example of amazing 2D-HD? Because lose sprites are fucking ugly.
>>739473171Sounds like it's set just right for someone like you who can't do anything at all without having someone tell you to do it first.
>>739473806>they just have 0 talent for itTheir Dragon Quest remakes say hello.As for why they don't do that with their original titles? They simply don't want to. They're cultivating a signature style, and it still looks good.
>>739473857>2 hours of story and then 10mins of gameplayEvery time someone makes this complaint I wonder what game they were even playingSome of the narrative stretches take a bit, but definitely no longer than like 40 minutes, and half of the cutscenes are flagged as completely optionalAnd the combat itself takes forever due to how breaking formation cascades into a loss extremely easily, did everyone play on easy mode or something?
I only played Bravely Default 2. I like the idea of the game but it runs out of steam and I never finished it. Crystal Project was unironically better. Also the HD-2D art style in general is pretty bad.
>>739467310overrated and unexcited for red mage knock off
>>739473270>default four times, then brave eight times to unlock combo rewardsIt added a layer. I mostly enjoyed the job system.
>>739467310Bravely Default is the only good one.
>>739467310>BD wasn't that good but the twist was cool>OT1 was alright but too long>OT2 I finished the story of one character and dropped because it was just more of the sameNo idea if I should give their new game a chance.
>>739467310They're all just solid games. I do wish they would go back to proper pre-rendered backgrounds instead of copy-pasting 2D-HD, though.
>>739467310I think Triangle Strategy kinda flew under the radar for a lot of people.
>>739475693Buildup requires time. If you consider that wasting I don't know what to tell you. Instant anything just gets you cheap thrills.
>>739478190You're given something while other things build up. You can't just build up. See Star Control 2, there's the short-term scope and the long-term consequences to keep you interested and pay you off in the end.
>>739474750He's not wrong, asano games just aren't examples of that complaint imo
>>739477097Honestly it's the combination Job system alone has been doneB/D by itself would be neat but nothing crazyThe two together are really really fun
>>739473936It's funny because Visions had on display all the bad tendencies of modern game design. In comparison Trials was that simple blast from SNES past and worked just fine.
>>739478167>Triangle Strategyis it good?
>>739475947>Their Dragon Quest remakes say hello.yea bro I fucking love cut content
>>739478585that's not made by artdink, dumb dumb
>>739473270>Bravely Default 1 is close to being the best JRPG ever made
>>739467310The last vestiges of soul in Square Enix. Literally the only SE games I play now.
>>739467310Elliot Rodger got a game?
>>739467310Asano carried Square through the Switch generation as they threw tens of millions on flops like FF7Rs and FF16. They're so jealous, they'll never let him remake FF6 in his style.
>>739473825This shit sucks.
>>739473825No one's gives a shit about mana.
>>739474942Zoomers are brain damaged from using ipads and phones instead of pencil and paper.
>>739473379>When the reality is that they will never in a million years be able to make something like FFVI.Thank fuck. FF6 has the worst combat out of ff4-10.
>>739467310>great>great>goodMaybe Elliot will be good too
>>739479249You can always try the 5 hour demo.
>>739467310so fucking excited for Elliot, lets fucking go
>>739473379I actually really like the concept of a cute navigator gassing me up everytime I hit a long chain or find a lost cat. It's why Kid Icarus Uprising is one of my favorite games of all time.
>>739476454I didn’t make it to the third battle due to all the story bs. Way to much at least in the beginning.
I still haven't played Octopath 0. Is it as good as 2?
Despite seemingly popular opinion here I like the art style but in terms of story and gameplay they are extremely unremarkable.
>>739467310I've only played Octopath 1 (dropped), Triangle Strategy (finished) and Bravely Default 2 (finished).The writing was really terrible in all 3 (very dry and abysmally paced, with characters spelling everything out with 0 nuance, the writers clearly think you're a moron), but BD2 and TS had kinda neat gameplay, so I played for that.Absolutely don't get the obsession with Octopath though, it's soap opera level dialog and the combat is severely undertuned and extremely poorly balanced as every party member has a separate EXP bar, so you'll end up with the MC (who cannot be removed from the party) overleveled af and stomping the game. And this dumb shit wasn't fixed in the sequel, so I didn't bother with that either.The Elliot game looks giga casual with even more handholding, so that's a hard pass, but I might grab the BD1 remaster when it's cheaper.
Elliot new demo is cool, but man I hate when their idea of difficulty is you're constantly in two shot range. >block attack>75% of the gauge is goneIt's not miserable because you have such a good, free heal at the start, but it pushes me to potshot with the boomerang a ton.>>739473171It literally allows you to set it as you start the demo you actual dumbass.
>>739480031Asano has only made one good game and that was Bravely Default 1 back when Square didn't even bother making good turn based games. Anything else after that is just mediocre at best. I never got the appeal of Octopath, Triangle Strategy was just okay, Elliot is just a dogshit version of Alundra.
>>739467310What type of name is Elliot kek
BD are probably my favourite RPGsI did not like Octopath, it's all around tedious, battles take forever. I dropped it when I got to a point where to progress the story I need to succeed a 1% steal chance or somethingI was enjoying TS until it became apparent they expect you to do 3 NG+ playthroughs to get every character
>>739480031>with characters spelling everything out with 0 nuancefucking every game does this, I hate it.
>>739467310If even these games can garner a million copies for being early on Switch, why won't SE release their AAAs there as well? Even if the console is botched as fuck it's clear that the jrpg audience is present there.
>>739467310I didn't play the others but triangular strategy was cool
>>739478517it an ok gamethey didn't really bother balancing hard mode so it's just a last-minute stat multiplier for enemies
I've seen someone playing the game and it felt like the devs watched this video and thought that's how supporting dialogue is supposed to be donehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC656o7_zVk
>>739474750Yes he is, at least for the octopath games, they're pretty gameplay heavy for jrpgs, certainly more than 30%
>>739474081>It was written by the Stein's Gate author.>looping>"time travel" of sorts>terribly written "anti-villains"Of course. Of course, he had to that.
>>739478167I keep trying to play it, but the constant cutscenes really take it away from me. I also had that with Tactics too.
They have dogshit writing and good music
>>739478517My favourite TRPG.>>739483081Almost all tactic games become a turtle simulator on their hardest difficulty.
>>739473171>PC faggot>retardTypical.You can mostly shut up the princess in Options you fucking imbecile.There are also 4 difficulty options.
>>739467310And yet the person praising the team probably never bothers to buy their games considering how mid sales usually are.
>>739473591>I'm tired of pretending I don't.You pretended you did up to now? How fucking insecure are you to say "I like this tho". Are you 12 and want to fit in? Jesus Christ, man
>>739478517It's great. You must make peace with the fact that it's also a visual novel in parts. Hours of dialogue. But damn it's great.
I think they're at worst competent at sanding down the corners on existing genres and making them more palatable for tiktok ruined attention spans
>>739467310Bravely Default > Triangle Strategy >> Octopath >>>>>> dogshit >>>>>> Bravely Default 2They're hit or miss, but I like them overall
>>739474942>When was the last time you randomly picked up a JRPG and just played it without a recommendationBlack Souls 1 back in like 2019/2020 or so, but I was just looking for a quick wank, I didn't expect to actually like it.I guess E33 too, just like the other anon. Immediately added it to my wishlist as soon as the first trailer dropped.
We need more games with lower budgets, less staff and with older generation graphics and no I'm not joking
>>739467310Loved 4 warriors of light, default and secondThe switch is a vacuum of talent
>>739474081>It was written by the Stein's Gate authorSo the writing is shit then, got it.
Triangle Strategy was good, could have had a little less talking maybe and been a little more nuanced with the plot but was still good
>>739473936>filtered
>>739483759LMAO, 100% nailed it
>>739475276yes, I am implying thatI know several of my old friends bought games only to never play them
>>739483759>chuckled a little at the mario one>haven't even had my lips twitch at the rest because its just the exact same joke
>>739467310Triangle Strategy is garbage
>>739479427You're right and he's wrong— too many words and too little gameplay.Also, the gameplay sucked.
>>739467310>Adventures of ElliotI have seen multiple threads about this game. Is it just people trying to shill the game hard or is it actually a good game?
>>739491701I just like cute faeries.
Bravely Default 1 is my favourite FF game hands down and one of my favourite games ever. Love this game. I'll refrain from commenting on the other BD games for now. But I also liked Octopath 1. And really, really liked Octopath 2. And I am really looking forward to Octopath 0, which I'll start playing soon-ish. I also really, really liked Triangle Strategy. Though halfway through the game, I may or may not have had party members who died, and still saved over my save file. I don't think I saved afterwards, but I might have. And I was doing and wanted to do a death-less run. And since the game doesn't tell me, it has sadly just really demotivated me from continuing the game. I'd kind of hate to continue the death-less playthrough all the way to the end, only to find out that it wasn't actually death-less because I fucked up once in the middle somewhere. But I'd also hate to restart the game from the very beginning if it was completely unnecessary to do so. And as a result, I kind of just stopped playing the game altogether, even if that might have been the worst choice? Or non-choice. All that said. I think the new Elliot demo is kind of incredible and a huge step up from the first demo. I'm super looking forward to the full release now. Then I'll probably finally start Octopath 0. But I'll play Elliot first. I really loved the demo.
>>739491701>or is it actually a good game?It's actually good. Download the demo. Choose the highest difficulty. Have fun. It's a 2D Zelda game.
>>739467310They're not very good outside of BD
>>739467310They're the last good team at Square
>>739492843Whatever the team that does SaGa is called is there still
>>739475327Braindead retard
>>739467310Literally the only good dev in SE
>>739474454TS mogs every FE that has released for the past 20 years.
>>739474815>ParanormasightWas excited till I googled it and it turns out to be a gay visual novel "game"
>>739478167Not for me, game is fucking GOATed
>Bravely Default and Bravely Second were decent, but 2 was mediocre>OT1 wasn't good, but 2 and 0 are actually good>TS is shit, about 90% VN and 10% strategy. As bad as Digimon Survive.>Elliot seems pretty decentHonestly overrated.
>>739467310>meh to bad gameplay>great pixel art ruined by blur and fov that cant be removed>amazing music>bad story writing>rushed character writing that fails the execution 8/10 times>last game Octo 0 is everything wrong with the games they create bundled into one with even garbage music.oh boy what luck. Elliot will flop as bad as octo 0 i feel. The octo games are atrocious, but i will be damned if the soundtrack of octo 2 isnt one of the best created.
>>739491701It's pretty alright. Very Hard is kind of a meme with near every attack doing 4 1/2 points of damage of your 5 total, but you have a free heal.
>>739492953>Took 10 hours to respondThat's not slow huh?
>>739467310I like how they aren't afraid to make wildly different games while maintaining the the great OST and characters.
>>739474029It's funny how Rean is the most beloved protag of the series.. despite him getting mogged several times in literally every game he's in.
>>739496524The high damage of attacks makes finding heart pieces actually feel valuable. But you also have your shield. Which is extremely valuable.
>>739484458Around chapter 5 the real war kicks off and it's not as cutscene heavy.
>>739496820Oh yeah, but do we know if the game has the sort of "one shot" protection that BotW does? For all we know, these enemies doing 4 and a half are actually doing like 6.I should try out the defense potion and test that, if someone hasn't yet.
>>739467310Writing usually ranges from mediocre to "so bad it's offensive" but the gameplay is solid so they're alright in my book
>>739497284>For all we know, these enemies doing 4 and a half are actually doing like 6.They don't. The 4.5 damage attacks still dealt 4.5 damage even after I got more hearts.
>>739467310Complete garbage
>>739496654Made me laugh actually, fair enough
>>739473806Tree of Savior devs did it right a decade ago shame they couldn’t unstuck their heads out of their asses
>>739473806I hope sacrifire turns out fun.
>>739498395Kek
>>739492843they're the only ones putting out games because of the restructuring they've been doing over the last few years, the company would've been putting out nothing without asano
>>739493913But they all have shit gameplay
>>739467310They are good but definetly overpriced because of square enix usual practices
>>739467310Triangle Strategy is like Tactics Ogre except instead of being written by a guy who studied history and foreign policy and travelled the world, it was written by a guy who never left his home country and who developed his idea of what war is like from Fire Emblem Fates.
>>739473806>guys check my example of good HD2D>niggertownkill yourself
>>739478517It's censored, so no
>>739502405I think you got those titles mixed up. matsuno is a hack.
>>739475556Name yours so we too can bluntly dismiss you as a fag with shit taste
Triangle Strategy is unironically very good and if you get filtered by its slow start you get exposed as an adhd zoomlet
>>739504573He looks like a fag
>>739503989shadow hearts: covenant
>>739502405Tactics Ogre's story is so unbelievably overrated.
>>739473270>Bravely Default 1 is close to being the best JRPG ever madeFFV is leagues better. Octopath is much better than BD too.
>>739478517its terrible, kept playing trying to get to some point where the combat wasnt just surrounding enemies and hitting them with basic attacks made it 15hours maybe it gets good at 16
>>739507526Delusional.
>>739492523You should just continue your playthrough, to get all the characters and endings and see all the battles you need to continue the game New Game+ anyway and you continue leveling up and learning new abilities and getting upgrades and the battles are all so different it's worth seeing all the paths and your deaths will be undone so you can just do the deathless run on your next loop around, it'll be more manageable anyway with new abilities you learn and fun new characters to try
>>739506056and yet hes extremely based
>>739510391Yeah. I feel like I should. It'll feel real bad though if I reach the end, and only then I learn that the run I thought was deathless, wasn't actually. I kind of wish the game would tell you somewhere (it doesn't, right? Right?). But yeah. I'll get back to the game. I was super into what I had played. Even if there has been like a 3 years long break between then and now. I think I remember most of the important stuff. But maybe I ought to restart from the beginning anyway. I'll see.
>>739467310Triangle Strategy is a fantastic fucking game, at least. I couldn't really get into the first Octopath, though, the way it wa structured left things feeling like a bit of a chore at times.
Is Elliot the one with fairy sexo?
>>739512007It has this fairy. Bravely Default has a fairy that is sexo as well
>>739474164What should he be excited for, GTA6? Pfft.>>739473270If only the dungeons weren't NES-tier
>>739512336That's a child! Out of 10.
>>739467310Bravely Default is amazingThe rest are bland, boring, redditcore and overrated games
>>739467310>hd-2ddisgusting. at least in that style. replaced did it right
>>739467310BORIIING
Octopath Traveler is fun for maybe 10 hours then you realize it's complete ass.Bravely Default for the 3DS is their best game, followed by Bravely Second.
has the bravely default remaster or whatever it is been on sale yet
>>739474029i bet you watch frieren
>>739489196TRPGs are already a hard sell for 98% of gamers. Triangle Strategy is a TRPG that isn't fun at all, and the story is shit.
>>739514746Frieren is pure kino, troon.
>>739474942Dragon Quest 1 because it costs 1.50$ on Play Store.
>>739474942>the timesink is too significant if it turns out to be unremarkable.Isn't that just all modern games? Hell, the games in the OP are WAAAY shorter than most AAA slop that expects you to put in 100+ hours.
>>739514746Does it matter? He's on point.
>>739467310Is adventures of elliot a game key card on switch 2?
>>739493991Yup. If the minimal dialogue of a common Asano game filters your ADHD-riddled mind, Paranormasight would make you kill yourself.
>>739467310>Thoughts on Team Asano gamesI boughted the bravely default remaster and it's honestly a bad game, I can see extremely autistic people liking that game, but as a more normie autist myself, I found the game to be extremely mediocre and subpar, specially for 40 fucking euros it costed me.
>>739517703i didn't say he wasn't, but it sounds like his ONLY frame of reference is trails
>>739467310I really enjoyed the BD games on 3DS but I never got around playing II. Was it any good? The art style looks kinda ugly in HD lol.
>>739518735I liked 2 more than second, but still worse than BD1. Some people seem to hate BD2 though.
>>739517713Yes
>>739467310>Thoughts on Team Asano games?Poor man's pastiches of older games, not a single original thought or shred of ambition in them.Also "Team Asano" isn't really a thing, the actual games are developed by different external contractors on rough concepts that Asano and a couple of other people throw out, he has no actual stable in-house staff of his own unlike other SE directors and most of the hard work is done by these external teams.>Are they good?Nah, they're passable at best.>Are u looking forward to the adventures of Elliot?Nah, nothing about it looks interesting and I've been already burned enough times to know when to give up.
BD was fun. Triangle Strategy and Octopath traveller are painfully mid.Not going to play Elliot.
BD1 is not that good and I'm pretty sure people only rated it so highly cause it was a Nintendo exclusive.OT2 > TS > OT0 > OT1 > BD1 > BD2Hopefully Elliot is good.
>>739519496you didn't like octopath?
>>739467310Not yet, but they might make a good one at some point. They need better writers.
I want more napishtim engine games I'll take whatever I can get that is remotely similar
>>739467310Why has no-one told them that these names sound incredibly stupid to English speakers
>>739467310Never felt a desire to play one. OT2's the only one I've been given a convincing pitch for, but I'm not getting to it any time soon. There's a chance I'd play Elliot first if the dungeons and/or combat turn out to be respectable.
>>739467310Didn't care for their other games, but the Elliot demo was great and Asano himself isn't director or producer of this one so I believe it'll actually be good. One of the few games I'm looking forward to this year.
>>739473825This is bad and needs correcting.>Turn based battles but not random grindy encounters, enemies on field is peak>Simple premise, but engaging character driven storylines with some drama>Stylized art designFan service is right, but if it looks like a chink gacha then it's shit.
Tried a bit of Elliot>looks alright and you can disable DoF>camera is way to far>story/characters seem pretty bland>combat is alrightI'll just just wait for a sale. Doesn't seem worth the price.
>>739478517Do you like sRPGs without a class system, bog standard FE style combat, long winded cutscenes without good characters, and shipper bait?
>>739519851No, they're an extremely poor copy of the Romancing SaGa games and probably the worst games Asano produced so far.BD was a somewhat competent copy of FFV, Triangle Strategy was a decent attempt at classic SRPGs that was also hard carried by the nerds at Artdink in terms of scope, Octopath games are just embarrassingly low effort all around and decidedly schizophrenic in terms of design, which is rather surprising since the core dev team was largely composed by Endo's longtime staff at Acquire who would know how to handle SaGa-likes since WoTS games are famous for their open ended non linear progression and autistically complicated scenario, so I'll chalk it up to the usual SE incompetence at an executive level.
>>739473806>2D-HD look amazingYou cant.
>>739475947>Their Dragon Quest remakes say hellokys, tr00n
>>739474942Radiant Historia, original version. Not the demake.
>>739503483>AIYEEE BLACK MEN NOOO DONT BEAT ME UPget new material clipped cock
>>739467310oh well that at least puts a name to the people responsible for the worst products square has ever put out.hope they get shut down like the forspoken team.all of squares resources should go into KH, FF,, and DQ
>>739473825doesnt everyone hate VoM's story and BD2s artstyle
They went downhill with the tendie money
>>739521732>BD2Yes, but that guy's a zoomer who never played BD1/BS so he has to use what he knows about.
>>739475556>>Bravely Default 1 is close to being the best JRPGMaybe it would be if it continued having new content after 10 hours mark
>>739474161you should put that joke in a tiktok im sure youll have all the zoomers laughing.
>>739467310Most boring and generic games ever made.
>>739519903This is it for me. Only so many “poor rebels fighting against the evil empire” generic jrpg stories i can take
>>739478081Nothing about this looks good.
>>739478473Godly female designs.
>>739524113Looks like generic goonerslop
>>739467310they're carrying shart enix and should be assigned to the monumental job of fixing ff
>>739467310They are average to good but nothing amazing.
>>739467310The voice acting in Triangle Strategy was so fucking cringe, I had to mute it. It sounded like a bunch of amateurs tryharding.
>>739524195You have zero taste, you're an uneducated subhuman.
>>739467310Maybe good for casuals, but not JRPG fans
>>739472745nah he's right.t. gen x.
>>739474750JRPG's are one of my fave genres but the writing in those games in OP's pic is atrocious.You can call it """world building""" all you want, it's rubbish.
I'm tempted by the Legend of Elliot but not enough to pay $100 or whatever a new game costs these days.
>>739528814post your favorite JRPGS
OSVALD SEXO
>>739529365based
>>739529365Go away faggot
>>739520863>he wants his tactics games to be brainless rpg’s insteadlmao retard
>>739520863>shipper bait???the MC's fiance joins in literally the first mission
>>739520863>and shipper baitwhatare you like one of those gachatards who has a mental breakdown if a female character talks to a non-MC male character
>>739528814>JRPG's are one of my fave genresDoubt.
>>739520863LOL get called out, faggot! You haven't played it!
>>739467310My only issue so far with news of Adventures of Elliot is the name of the hero. They should have named him Sigvald, Torvald, or something else.
>>739467310Why are they incapable of making games that aren't chibi slop?
I love Bravely Default but never played their other games.
>>739473574various daylife cracks me up every time
>>739531475There is not a single good Japanese tactics game without classes. I have no idea what nonsense you're getting at by calling them brainless RPGs. Explain your retardation.>>739532185>>739532230I'm not talking about the the main character, I'm talking about side ones like the princess and the yuribait guard. Half the fucking threads when the game was new were shipping arguments.>>739532309You're brown.
>>739493913Like hell it does. Half of TS's maps are garbage, like the one just before the final chapter of Benedict's route that is just an open plain. Hard mode is terribly balanced where the only option is to turtle because any other strategy is too punishing, and on top of that the enemy AI takes forever to decide its actions. If you think TS is better than Conquest or Engage you haven't played them.
>>739516739frieren fans are anime rick and morty fans lmao
>>739475636nta but Little Goody Two Shoes is the best I've seen. but you're just going to say it looks like shit anyway.
>>739533691It's actually an apt title for the way you're grinding and progressing through it.Music and characters carry it and the writing of the story is pretty decent with a royal conspiracy involving the silencing of the citizens via murder, regicide, family murder, and the reason why the game can played infinitely despite having a calendar system. That last one's even called out because that's a major plot point.
>>739534217It’s vastly better than both. Those game still have the core problems of FE, being the high damage and per army vs per unit turns. They can’t get away from crawling your army across the map and ganking individual enemies, no matter how much lipstick they put on the pig. And none of the classes are as interesting or cersatile as the average Ts unit, let alone ones like the mechanic dude
>>739534215>I’m a retard, dumb it down for meNo. Also, post a single thread from the archive that was significantly about shipping, dumb clown
>>739467310>normalize 2.5Dshit
>>739535313That's HD2D anon
>>739473825visions of mana simple story.i still dont know how are we supose to takle in that they are sending the cute girl to her dead and everyone knows and the parents are like. have a nice trip honey we never gonna see you again but is really not that big of a deal.that said.... i reallly like the game
Stop playing sloppa
>>739467310Ive never heard of two of these games. Marketing aint what it used to be for ol square huh?
>>739536723I can totally understand why this game flopped since it's just a less appealing Secrets of Mana.
They're really flawed unfortunately and lead to games that are hard for me to rate over a 6 or 7 at best.
>>739537891bd1 was a 10 tbqh
>>739535194>They can’t get away from crawling your army across the map and ganking individual enemiesWhich is why many of the most challenging maps in both games heavily disincentivize turtling by way of spamming reinforcements, having side objectives, or having other gimmicks. While TS, for the most part, actively encourages you to waste as much time as possible slowly trudging along because anything other than a death ball is a death sentence.I actually liked TS's unit variety and the EXP system pairing well with an all-unique cast despite those being common complaints. Still a shame about that map design though. The arena fight with the spikes was cool at least.
>>739467310Yes and yes
>>739470627I can only assume people like you are low IQA game needs more than mindless gameplay
>>739467310I like some of them like Bravely Default and Bravely Second. These games must have been much cheaper to develop and sold enough to keep them going.
>>739467310Sell me on Elliot. Is it more Ys or Zelda? It's crazy how zero indie titles manage to capture the feel of those two genres despite the fact they've been around forever.
>>739538602It's A Link to The Past
>>739538474I wish the story didn't have to twist itself in dumb knots to get the three paths, or pigeonhole you into specific endings because you didn't get enough of a specific route's points through dialogue options or character interactions. Like there's nothing satisfying about selling Glenbrook to Hyzante because Roland is just too fucking wishywashy to actually commit to ruling.
>>739538602Definitely more Ys than Zelda
>>739538602It's inspired by final fantasy adventure
>>7394738062dhd will be the new bragging rights genre. people are waking up that no one can do it good.
>>739467310Bravely 1/second were nice after all games didn't have fanservice so won't bother. Just shitty slop from SE
>>739539027It should be easy to do. I don't know why SE decided to make it hideous brown 'n bloom.
>>739538848Yeah, I was expecting the golden ending to be literally anything other than >we are presented with three vastly different objectives, we must choose which one to prioritize>lol nevermind we can actually do them all at the same time
>>739538602Mana
>>739538903Didn't the director say it's more mana than zelda
>>739467310The funny thing about SE is if they learned how to do sales they'd be in a pretty good position. Nobody would be mad at any of these games for $15. They're not great but they're not garbage wastes of time but people have large enough libraries to ignore any game and SE is making their own games get ignored.
>>739520982>seething nigcel
>>739467310out of those I only played Bravely Default and the time loops really started dragging on towards the end
>>739542425Yes but that anon was specifically asking between Ys and Zelda and I'd say Ys is closer to Mana than Zelda.
They’re all kino
>>739538474TS has better disincentives than FE, and has them baked into the systems of the game as well, like per unit turns and lower damage, making your unit being hit not an instant death sentence. Handwaving that is ridiculous. FE’s crits essentially being an instant unit death, and those deaths being permanent, is a much higher incentive go death ball /turtle than anything in TS. And the maps being 3d requires much more thought to play through, in addition to their being decent objective variety to disincentivize turtling/deathballing. I can’t speak to hard mode, I don’t remember if I playing it or normal, but FE high difficulties are degenerate as hell too
>>739543257>if they only sold their games for dirt cheap, they’d be so much more financially successfulpc gamer baby brain advice
>>739467310BD is good. The rest are slop.
>>739467310Everyone I've played is mediocre. BD is the closest to being actually good int hat it has a good combat system, but the pacing is truly appalling. The story does not warrant the hoops it wants you to jump.
>>739538602It is very, very much like the very first Zelda games. But the combat has been made more like Ys or Mana.
>>739546190>if they only sold their games for dirt cheap, they’d be so much more financially successfulYes, exactly.
>>739538553>A game needs more than gameplaykys
>>739546190>pc gamer baby brain adviceeverybody playing the demo is on the fence because of the pricing, you dumb fucking niggerthis game was made on a very low budget, but is priced as a full AAA game, kike
>>739473574i will never get normalfags obsessive nitpicking about the names. Octopath is a bit clumsy, sure, but its not that big a deal, and triangle strategy is even less of an issue.
>>739535271>I'm a fucking retard and you called me out for talking gibberish so I'm not going to talk about game mechanics because I know I don't have a pointThat's what I thought. Every time one of monkeys makes a vague blanket statement it's all the same.
>>739538602It's like Mana (because obviously SE talks up Square games) and is very like Ys. The ones saying it's like Zelda are probably tendies with no frame of reference. Just play the demo and you'll see.
I seriously can't believe how many people in this thread are pretending Triangle Strategy was good. It was the most boring fucking TRPG I've ever played, and that's saying a lot.
>>739554054thiscope beyond belief
Heh
you now realize that the last traditional JRPG from SE with a budget was 9 years ago
>>739467310I tried playing octopath a while backCouldn't get into itIt insists on itselfI liked E33 and old FF
>>739552960of course it does you retard
>>739467310I was willing to forgive the flaws of Octopath Traveller since they were "pioneering" a new type of JRPG styleBut as they release more games, I truly believe them to be hacks. Their only flawless game was the Live a Live remake, they should just stick to remakes IMOTheir original games are weak
>>739538553>every single arcade game ever in your pathWhat a game needs that isn't gameplay is good aesthetics + music, because that's what makes atmosphere, which is what makes SOVLStory isn't worth a damn unless it's brief or extremely well-written
>>739554054What's wrong you don't like endless yapping with bits of mediocre gameplay tossed in like an afterthought?
>>739556998ok gramps
>>739470627do you even like this genre
>>739556993There's nothing new about Octopath
>>739467310why is the princess spying on me at all times let a man piss
>>739467310only good games Square still releases.
>>739559104yes, when it's written and paced well
>>739556993there was absolutely nothing innovative or new about octopath traveler other than its ugly artstyle
>>739553560>surely reducing their margins will increase their sales enough to make significantly more profit because some people on here said solmao retard
>>739561086>BD is good. The rest are slop.You're a tendie, aren't you?
>>739553969Sorry you’re too retarded to understand a simple concept like stronger rpg mechanics weakening the importance of the tactics mechanics. Feel free to kys to remedy your impotent seething
>>739538553>you can't just eat this food analogy by itself, have a pile of shit for diversity See how I used the power of food to show you how dumb you are?
>>739474029>weKill weself.
>>739467310Aside from the name, Triangle Strategy was fucking awesome.Posting best girl.
>>739561127Illiterate retard, why are you attributing some opinion I don’t hold to me as some whatabout boogeymen cope?
>>739561225>Sorry you’re too retarded to understand a simple concept like stronger rpg mechanics weakening the importance of the tactics mechanics.It's not a simple concept, it's just objectively wrong. Even if you want to pretend you can just grind through everything, plenty of games cap that. RPG mechanics are for more in depth character building and control, but you're too much of a dumb brown little monkey to understand that.
>>739561343I had a post highlighted without realizing it. What I said still stands, you're a tendie because of you're impossibly stupid views on pricing. Only a tendie would think that pricing a game like this at $60 is a good thing.
>>739473806>"yeah I'm a real patrician">look under hood>broke graphics whore literal surface level criticisms and nothing else from you people. I guess that'd require you to stop beating off and actually play a game though.
>>739561657>ignore I’m retarded, the rest still standslol
Good gameplay, garbage story writing.Been like this since Bravely Default.
>>739561784Me having had a post highlighted changes nothing. You're a tendie for the exact reason I said you are, and as a result your opinions on anything game or finance related don't matter.
>>739467310I really, really liked octopath 2
>>739561540>being able to turn everyone into the most overpowered class doesn’t diminish the tactical rigor you’re incredibly stupid, and it’s funny. You can look at the big names in the genre and see exactly how this plays out
>>739561835>y-you’re muh boogeymanPlease point to these other big studios with lower cost releases that are experiencing massive success
>>739553885there's an apt saying>don't judge a book by its cover. But how can you trust the writings of an author who can't even make a good cover about his writings
>>739554038>The ones saying it's like Zelda are probably tendies with no frame of reference.Bro. You can't be serious?
>>739561891>being able to turn everyone into the most overpowered classThere are very few sRPGs where you can break the game like this. There are 0 good Japanese sRPGs without classes.
>>739561980>boogeymanPost your PC specs, then.
>>739562207Name the good japanese srpgs with classes that don’t have a class or two that break the game
>>739562147Zelda games are a lot more focused on a specific framework that you don't see in more action oriented games like the ones Falcom makes and what came after them. Yes, it's only people without a frame of reference that would play Elliot and say it's more like Zelda than Ys or Mana. And yes, I've played every Zelda game.
>>739562290Will do, right after you answer that actually relevant questions I posed to you first
>>739538553>"UMM IT HAS A STORY, STUPID, STORIES ARE GOOD">is it a good story?>"... IT HAS A STORY"
>>739562321The recent remasters of Tactics Ogre and FFT are explicitly balanced so that you can't do that. Now get mad and insist those don't count because they're new, then get even more mad because Shining Force is old as hell, has classes, and doesn't have broken balance.
>>739562321Infinite Space
>>739562396>a-answer my question so I can avoid yours!Team Cherry with Silksong. I answered your question. You don't get to move the goalposts or backpedal. Post your PC specs or admit that you're a worthless tendie whose opinion is objectively worthless.
>>739520863I sincerely don't understand why people call FE style combat "bog standard" when nearly every other SRPG out there goes the FFT/TO route
>>739562601Like what? The only other long running and consistent series is SRW and that's FE style as opposed to Matsuno style.
>>739556993Octo 2 and TS are both amazing.
>>739562503>you’re gonna be so mad, cause ai’m so righthttps://youtube.com/watch?v=XXuMplk2fSE&ra=mlol. Literally all discussion around those games is about overpowered builds. Did you really not even google this shit? Infinite reddit shit about it. Thanks for proving my point
>>739562638>long runningSneaking in additional requirements like that is cheating. Most SRPG games out there are one-offs
>>739562821>Sneaking in additional requirements like that is cheating.Add up all the sRPGs released in the last 20 years. Most of them are FE style, not Matsuno style.
>>739546053To clarify I'm mainly talking about hard mode; some of my complaints probably don't even apply to normal. Healers and other squishy units were able to take about as many hits as they'd be able to in FE, but frontline units such as Roland folded in only a couple more. Sending anyone ahead of the main group will have them die a swift death getting ganged up on with follow up attacks. Deaths aren't permanent but it snowballs fast when it takes half your team piling on to kill one enemy. Some FE games are stupid on high difficulties, but Engage Maddening was completely fair and let you rewind crits.The 3D maps were great when the game took full advantage of the systems that make TS unique. Then you have shit like open plains or mostly flat salt mine, and a good chunk of others where those systems hardly made a difference. I only did 1 run of the game + 2 endings and didn't see every single map, but most of the ones I played were either rout the enemy and spend 15 minutes mopping up stragglers, or gave no real incentive to not take things as slowly as possible.
>>739562571>big studio>team cherrylmao, yeah, why doesn’t square enix follow the example of a 2 man indie outfit? you really are a complete retard, amazing! Have fun self soothing with your boogeyman cope
>>739562771I know you're a retarded shitskin child that doesn't know what he's talking about and you literally just searched for broken builds on youtube, but setting aside the fact that you didn't address 2 of the series I mentioned, even in that video you linked you can see that the comments are calling the guy who made the video dumb for messing things up and doing unnecessary things. Try again, retard.
>>739562363And I have played the Ys and Mana games. And this game is way more like Zelda games than of the others ever were. In some respects it's almost shameless how closely to Zelda the game adheres itself to. Even if the game is made into more of an action game akin to Ys or the Mana games.
>>739562941If I provide a list, are you going to do the /v/ user thing of going through it and saying "nuh uh doesn't count because of reasons I just made up now" because I really don't want to do legwork for that kind of nonsense
>>739562995>one of the absolute largest releases ever>so big that it almost broke Steam at launch>not big because a retarded tendie says soPost your PC specs and prove you aren't a tendie. Why are you so afraid to prove you aren't from the subhuman group of demented fanboys that know less than nothing about video games and deserve to be mocked and derided in all discussions of games?
>>739467310>Thoughts on Team Asano games? they're peak and the only team at SE that still knows how to make SOULFUL vidya >Are they good? They're SOULFUL PEAK>Are u looking forward to the adventures of Elliot?yes. already pre-ordered it.
>>739563103When I post the deluge of SRW games that constantly come out, are you going to write them off for no reason at all because you're mad that the numbers point to more FE style games? And I don't think I need to say this, but I hope you're not dumb enough to try to take western Xcom style games and pretend they aren't their own category.
>>739563093>And I have played the Ys and Mana games. And this game is way more like Zelda games than of the others ever were.On what fucking planet? Setting aside the fact that Elliot is way more combat focused, Zelda games are built around a relatively small number of large, stereotyped dungeons where you get a plot MacGuffin in each one. Elliot is based more around combat/utility moves than tools and has more "natural" smaller dungeons and caves. Which specific aspects do you think are closer to Zelda games? The multiple weapons are straight out of Mana and the puzzle style is nothing like Zelda.
>>739538602even the producer said it's more Mana than others.
>>739563038Yet the retard still was able to break the game that you said was unbreakable. The comments are all telling him that it’s even easier than he made out, because he didn’t realize that some things were unnecessary. But sure, “doesn’t count, do it two more times!!” lol You’re self evidently wrong, why the fuck would I waste more time evidencing it when you’ll just spew more dumb shit
>>739563209I don't think multiple games in the same series is relevant to the discussion. It'd be like me saying that I don't want an action game to have "bog standard Dynasty Warriors combat." It wouldn't make sense; saying it's bog standard implies that it's across many different series and pointing to the giant list of released Dynasty Warriors games doesn't matter. Unless the action game category is getting overwhelmed with that style of combat, it's not "bog standard." I don't understand why you're getting so defensive, I haven't been rude to you.
>>739563369>Yet the retard still was able to break the game that you said was unbreakable.You didn't even watch the video. You don't know the game. You ignored the other 2 games. You're retarded and brown.>why the fuck would I waste more time evidencingVery brown.
>it's the tendies that are saying the game looks like zeldaholy obsession.
>>739538553>gameplay is mindlessJust watch a movie instead, you are on the wrong hobby
>>739563404>I don't think multiple games in the same series is relevant to the discussion.Funny how we talked about which style has the most games, you said I was going to arbitrarily say games don't count, and then you were the one who turned around and added a qualifier because you know you're wrong. And yes, this was always the conversation>>739562601>when nearly every other SRPG out there>>739562941>Add up all the sRPGs released in the last 20 years.We were talking about sRPGs, not sRPG series. >I don't understand why you're getting so defensive, I haven't been rude to you.You got up on your high horse assuming I'd add arbitrary qualifiers to not count certain games, and then you did exactly that because you know that a vast majority of sRPGs released over the last 2 decades are FE style and not Matsuno style.
>>739563456>doesn’t know evidence is also a verblol, you’re genuinely too stupid to engage in communication
>>739563636I thought "games series" was implied but I guess not. I'll leave you be, yeah, those long running series do have a lot of games. Hope the rest of your day is better.
This has the retro-style PS1-like graphic style like Octopath Travellers and Live a Live remake has, so I was expecting this to be similar game made for adults who want nostalgy style, but are still in fact adults like 30-40s to whom Octopath 2 is obviously aimed for.But this seems like it was written by some 10 year old, for 6 year old kids who have never played anything in their life before. All the writing is just as basic as can possibly be, useless filler "Oh, its a treasure chest, I wonder what is inside?" and Town NPCs have 0% of the charm that Octopath Traveller 2 characters have with their dark and funny backstories.Having a travelling partner/narrator is fine, but if you have one, you also need to write him/her well. This princess just rambles 24/7 very basic useless filler text that is neither funny or interesting, and doesnt build anything. Just "its a door, I guess we need a key?!?" zero effort nonsense.I played the first 2 dungeons of the demo, then got some filler quests "go there and kill me some monsters" and I am like ok, enough, I am not going to even finish this demo, and wont play the game for free. Just boring and basic. Also, is it possible to die in this? I didnt try the hardest difficulty, but just HARD and in that I cant see how anyone would be so bad that they would die to anything. Free healing and extremely simple enemies and bosses.Graphics and musics are nice though. But this has none of the adult depth that Octopath Traveller 2 had. Trailer looked cool, but game just feels like its made for someone who is 6 years old in gaming skills and story telling understanding, but also is 30+ to appreciate the retro art style... Why?
>>739563648>doesn't know common vernacular and uses unnatural constructsVery common issue with browns who don't have functional control of the language and spit out odd expressions they learned from an old textbook.
>>739563636holy autism melty, is this the big brain audience that SRPGs attract?
>>739563705>I thought "games series" was impliedNo, absolutely not. You don't get to say this>are you going to do the /v/ user thing of going through it and saying "nuh uh doesn't count because of reasons I just made up now"while then also saying "btw this criteria I didn't say was implied." >Hope the rest of your day is better.My day is going fine. I hope you stop arguing using double standards and then try to act like calm, rational victim of an unprovoked attack.
>>739563872>meltyHello, turdy.
>>739563754>evidence as a verb is an unnatural constructdamn, bro is illiterate fr fr
Out of curiosity's sake:Hey, everyone else here: if one says a certain type of gameplay is bog standard, would you count the quantity of games in a single series or would you count the number of series that use it?
>>739563971Post the last 5 times you saw it used that way in writing. Books of any genre, news articles, academic papers, anything.
>>739564058sneed
>>739563527Are you trying to argue that's wrong? Who the fuck else would say that?
>>739564058Quantity of games if games and not explicitly series are being talked about. I also sure as shit wouldn't get into an argument about something and then start meta-posting because I was butthurt.
>>739563971Not him, but>You’re self evidently wrong,Common vernacular and flow would have it be>You're evidently wrong
>>739564058Games. You were wrong. Move on.
>>739564154I was attempting to divorce it from our conversation so we could have less biased information. I'm not butthurt my guy, but your immediate replying makes me worried that I upset you. I don't think I'm the average /v/ user, I don't get off on angering you so I am genuinely remorseful if I did.
>>739564058I woud just ignore the poster because he's mentally disabled.
>>739564252>I was attempting to divorce it from our conversation>ourYeah, I can tell you're not a /v/ user.
>>739564282Don't do that. He just has a differing opinion from me and doesn't deserve insults.
>>739564079Are you completely autistic? Why would the presence of an easily understood word be something I’ve catalogued in my brain, ready for citation? You’re genuinely losing it>>739564181No, dumbass, him being self evidently wrong is the whole point that there is no need for me to gather evidence to prove it
>>739467310Elliot seems interesting. That's not switch 2 exclusive is it? No way they're that retarded?
>>739564058It's games, especially when you go off about not arbitrarily excluding games listed. You're doing the exact thing you complained about.>>739564252>but your immediate replying makes me worried that I upset you.And you need to learn this isn't reddit.
>>739564416It's not, it's advertized predominantly with Switch 2 for whatever reason but it's on PC and PS5.
>>739564482>PC and PS5Thank goodness
>>739564363>no examples>still couldn't show how 3 games listed had classes and weren't broken outside of an incorrect youtube video he didn't even watchThere has never been a poster who doesn't like classes in Japanese strategy games who wasn't a retard.
>>739564363You don't use SELF when you're talking directly to the person, you fucking ESL dumbfuck. Now I know you're relying on a shitty AI translator to shit out your replies.
I'm looking forward to Elliot, I liked the demo and I preordered it but it's killing me how utterly half-assed the name is.>Bravely Default>Triangle Strategy>Octopath TravelerThey're short, punchy and intriguing just because they look like gibberish but actually mean something in the grand scheme of the game. "Adventures of Elliot" sounds like a fake game or movie or book you'd read about in the flavor text of a real video game.They couldn't have called it something like "Millennium Vagabond" or something?
>>739563304>Zelda games are built around a relatively small number of large, stereotyped dungeons where you get a plot MacGuffin in each one.No they aren't. If your alluding to all those "The Zelda Formula" ideas people have, that's not even how the franchise started. And games like SS breaks the formula too but in different ways.Zelda1 has dungeon crawling yes. It has rudimentary puzzles yes. And it has esoteric secrets.But even though the dungeons have items that allow you to progress further in the game, I'd claim that it's pretty ludicrous to say that's what the game is all about.And Elliot's game has gated progress behind items and new abilities too.And I mean. Even with all the differences in how combat in implemented. The game does have the Sword & Shield, and even the Sword Beams. Then it has the boomerang, bow, and bombs. It has the bottles. And it even has a fairy companion. And you cut grass, and throw bushes and pots and explode walls.And it does have dungeons and caves. And they do have secrets, and block puzzles and stuff even if the dungeons might not be the unwinding puzzlebox type of dungeon that the Zelda franchise -later- adopted. The time travel and its layered maps is also a pretty Zelda-core thing even if plenty of other games have done stuff like it too. The fact that something like Chrono Trigger exists, and leans in heavily on it, without being like Zelda, doesn't mean that it can't also be an element that can make a game even more like Zelda.If the next 2D Zelda by Nintendo was had a more intense emphasis on action combat (Zelda started as action games by the way), would it all of a sudden stop being a Zelda game in your eyes or something? I don't really get why you seem so opposed to the idea of the game being compared to, or spoken of, as if the game is like Zelda.No matter if you'd think the similarities are close or surface level, I dare claim it is undeniable that the devs deliberately copied Zelda. And that's awesome.
>>739467310They finally made an Elliot Rodger game?
>>739564416wish it was just so faggots like you would be mad lol
>>739564058I ignore people who call things generic or something along those lines. Either provide actual criticism or shut up. Fucking everything gets called generic on here to the point where no single quality can be pointed at that qualifies something to be generic.
>>739564539You really don’t know that self evident is a common term, huh? Christ, the instant seethe because you couldn’t understand the simple sentiment I was conveying is pathetic. Dumb fuck
>>739564528>nuh-uh, checkmatelol congrats, enjoy your casual rpg slop
>>739564783>Relying on the fucking AI summary to make your pointIt also shows you used it wrong you fucking idiot.
>>739564612>No they aren't.They absolutely fucking are. Outside of the most recent Zelda games (post-BotW) which ones had smaller dungeons or caves littering the world that didn't have plot important items after the boss?>that's not even how the franchise started.LoZ is different than the post-OoT games in how it handles exploration, but it still absolutely has a small number of large stereotyped dungeons with plot MacGuffins at the end of each one.>I'd claim that it's pretty ludicrous to say that's what the game is all about.I never did claim that, and I'm not going to keep arguing against your strawman. Now try addressing what I actually said. And keep in mind I love the first Zelda game. I'm not calling it bad, I'm just saying that even as different as it is to a lot of other Zelda games, it's still got a set number of dungeons of similar size that have plot items and that Elliot is closer to Ys and Mana with how dungeons and caves and weapons and gear and combat mechanics are handled. >And it even has a fairy companion.Now this is just insane. The first fairy companion in Zelda was in OoT, and all the companions in Zelda are annoying hint givers. The Fairy in Elliot has actual gameplay utility. They are not the same.>I don't really get why you seem so opposed to the idea of the game being compared to, or spoken of, as if the game is like Zelda.Because it's not. It's much closer in design to Ys and Mana, and the devs already explicitly stated they modeled it after the first Mana game. Comparing every single game to Zelda is something tendies do and are rightfully mocked for.
>>739564935That’s not the AI summary you relentlessly illiterate retard lol
>>739564918>slopWe already know you're an underage thirdie ESLfag. No need to double down on it.
>>739564918>>739564935nta but if you google "you're self-evidently wrong" with quotes around it, you see a billion native speakers using it the way he did
>>739565065>you used an uncommon word? ESL>you used a common word? ESLthe desperation is self-evident ;)
>>739565004>and the devs already explicitly stated they modeled it after the first Mana gameAnd if we compare the first Mana game to Elliot's game. One is very close to Zelda and one is not really at all. You're really just ignoring all the similarities.
>>739473270Bravely Default 1 was a really good game for the most part but I have a feeling if I were to replay it I would not want to sit through any of its cutscenes. The final act also did the game no favors whatsoever and tarnished its goodwill. The finale itself was fine. But it did not need to do what it did. Absolutely shameless.
Everything this company makes looks so ugly and generic, however I can respect the commitment to pixel art graphics more than the ugly "intern using blender" enviorments that most JRPGs have now (in particular JRPG remakes)
>>739563192Ewww huehue
>>739564712based. but I find it funny how the faggots that use the 'generic' argument are the ones with the most generic casual taste out there lol
>bravely default I'm glad PC finally got the remastered version, but I am very pissed that it has been censored. There's a mod to fix some of the costumes, but it is still lacking some of the enemies/bosses, and Ringabel's "eastern combat gear" which is probably THE most revealing kit in the entire game.
>>739473574their names are peak kino in japanese that heavily utilizes language normsit just doesn't translate and they don't try to translate them, so they seem retarded in english
>>739565375>You're really just ignoring all the similarities.No, you're just ignoring the stuff I said about combat and dungeons which is what Zelda did uniquely and differently. The general exploring stuff was already done by Falcom with Xanadu before LoZ was a thing and the one screen dungeon stuff with puzzles and tools was already done by Druaga, so unless you're copying Zelda's dungeons/tools/puzzle/structure then it's not copying Zelda, it's copying Falcom. If the best you can do is point out that you can cut grass, then it's most certainly not a Zelda-style game. The weapon switching alone being a huge part of the game stops it from being like Zelda.
>>739564461Reading this conversation feels like watching someone attempt to interact with an abused dog. No matter how gently or kindly one tries to approach the animal, it reacts violently out of a learned need to protect itself.
>>739565004You don't even level up in The Adventures of Elliot. It is not an ARPG. Why would you claim it's closer to the ARPGs than Zelda?
>>739566621Check your address bar, this isn't reddit. No one here is getting fooled by feigned kindness and your attempts at condescension aren't clever.
>>739566892Oh no, it's nipping at me too!
>>739566795>Why would you claim it's closer to the ARPGs than Zelda?Because the world, locations, dungeons, gear and weapons are all closer to Falcom games and Mana.
>>739566405>The general exploring stuff was already done by Falcom with Xanadu before LoZ was a thing and the one screen dungeon stuff with puzzles and tools was already done by DruagaAnd yet Elliot's game is closer to Zelda than those. Isn't that interesting? You can claim that LoZ was just Xanadu or Druaga or anything else from Falcom. And yet the titles you'd be able to list from them, a lot more different from Zelda than Elliot's game is. Elliot's game is a lot more of a Zelda game.
>>739566976No matter how smarmy you act, you'll never be clever. You'll never have any sort of high ground in internet discourse, either. You'll always just be a dumb, angry little fag. Now give me another reply that looks like an angry woman wrote it so you can pretend you made a point.
>>739566795>It is not an ARPG. ???
>>739567110I'm not the guy you were arguing with (frankly he was being a bitch and should have just called you a retard), I just think you're a fag. If you want a reply that "looks like an angry woman wrote it," I can provide that. The best part is that it will be true! You will never be loved.
>>739567032>And yet Elliot's game is closer to Zelda than those.And yet it's not for all of the reasons I explicitly mentioned. Isn't it interesting that you're blatantly ignoring what I said about dungeons, tools and gear and doubling down on vague blanket statements?>You can claim that LoZ was just Xanadu or Druaga or anything else from Falcom.How fucking stupid are you? I literally said>the stuff I said about combat and dungeons which is what Zelda did uniquely and differently.I already said Zelda did stuff differently. I also said that the stuff unique to Zelda isn't in Elliot.>And yet the titles you'd be able to list from them, a lot more different from Zelda than Elliot's game is. Elliot's game is a lot more of a Zelda game.Wrong, you dumb ESL tendie. Elliot's game doesn't have any of the stuff specific to Zelda.
>>739538553Sad but true/v/ is the lowest IQ board
>>739567235>I'm not the guy you were arguing withWhen did I say you were or that I was either of the original people arguing? You replied to my post like a reddtior, so I'm replying to you directly and calling you a faggy redditor. It's not that complicated.>If you want a reply that "looks like an angry woman wrote it," I can provide that. You already have. Multiple times.
>>739567235>fagCareful anon, you used a no-no word.
>>739567319Enjoy being a kissless virgin. Every time you look into your bathroom mirror and see your reflection, you'll remember this conversation and get angry all over again.
>>739567116Yeah. I know the trailer, store pages, and website calls it an RPG or ARPG. But it isn't. The only thing even close to an RPG mechanic are the magicite gacha stones. But claiming it's an RPG because of those is very silly. If The Adventures of Elliot is an RPG, then Zelda, Halo, and Ape Escape are all RPGs too. But they aren't.
>>739567510What happened to the feigned aloofness and wit? You just switched to assblasted projection because you're mad that you got called out for being a dumb faggot.
>>739467310The only reason I still care about S-E
>muh tendie out of nowheretruly obsessed.
>>739567571What happened to >>739567319>When did I say you were or that I was either of the original people arguing?Like damn man, can you keep a single coherent thought in your schizo addled brain?
>>739546190Pc fags are as greedy and cheap as jews
>>739567568whatever helps you sleep at night.I for one can't wait to play this peak ARPG.
>>739567683Nigger, you just went full retard. Even for a redditor, this is pathetic. You very clearly have no idea how to follow a reply chain or to read.
>>739567248>the stuff specific to ZeldaWhat do you mean it's like a Strawberry cake?? Yeah it has strawberries, cream, and cake layers. But none of that is specific to Strawberry cakes. The Tudor Strawberr Tart and Linzer Torte predates Strawberry Shortcakes by hundreds of years. And Egypt and ancient Mesopotamia had cakes that are even older than that. You'd have to be dumb to think that picrel is actually a Strawberry cake. Especially when the person who baked it famous for their tarts and said the cake was inspired by Strawberry Tarts.
>>739564612Should have mentioned the heart pieces.
>>739568010>inapplicable food analogy>further doubling down on general ignorance regarding games by trying to paint Falcom games as irrelevant and unknown when talking about action adventure games and action RPGsIf a game doesn't have dungeons, world progression, tools and puzzles like a Zelda game, then it's not a Zelda style game. You're the kind of idiot who would say Brave Fencer Musashi was copying OoT. Only retarded tendies think any action adventure game that exists is copying Zelda.
>>739568315>If a game doesn't have dungeonsThe game has dungeons. >world progressionIt has world progression. >tools and puzzles like a Zelda gameIt has tools/abilities and puzzles like a Zelda game>then it's not a Zelda style gameTrue. But it has all that and is like a Zelda game.
>>739568010>Yeah it has strawberries, cream, and cake layers. But none of that is specific to Strawberry cakes.>The Tudor Strawberr Tart and Linzer Torte predates Strawberry Shortcakes by hundreds of years.Tarts don't have cake layers, they have a crust. In this metaphor, the tart is a Zelda game and you're trying to insist that something made without a crust and with a sponge cake layer is a Zelda game. Why are you so stupid?
>>739568382>The game has dungeons.Like a Zelda game. I know English is hard, but "like a Zelda game" applies to the whole sentence. If it doesn't have a small number of equally sized and similarly structured dungeons that all contain a plot MacGuffin, if it doesn't have a world that's mostly open where the end goal isn't to reach somewhere in the world but to collect all the plot MacGuffins, if it doesn't have tools/abilities you get that act as keys but not weapons/utility items then it's not a Zelda game. Elliot does not have those things, so it's not a Zelda game.
Zelda is a RPG so Elliot is a RPG too.
Dat nigga nae?Elliod.Sheet...
What's the deal with that one guy losing his shit in this thread? He sounds really pathetic and gay.
Why are you retards trying to argue with the console warring faggot? Just ignore him.
>>739568769>someone says Nintendo didn't invent everything ever>"Stop console warring"Why are you like this?
>>739467310>mid>mid>mid>below mid
Was twitter screencap really necessary for such thread?
>>739566795>You don't even level up in The Adventures of Elliot.You don't? What's progression like then?
>>739568827They didn't need to invent anything for these devs to clearly copy them.
>>739569424>You don't? What's progression like then?You find/buy new weapons/tools/magic. You find heart-pieces. And you also spend money on gacha materia that you can attach to your weapons to modify them to an extent.
>>739569671>They didn't need to invent anythingAnd they didn't. Unless you count mentally ill and deluded fanboys in the world of vidya.
>>739569804And things that aren't unique, can still be copied.
>>739569804Cope
>>739470627Try>70% grind>10% gameplay>20% yapping
>>739467310The writing and dialogue completely turn me off. So much pointless dialogue written in such a boring way.
>>739470627Thanks for the warning, im gonna skip. If a game is less than 25% menus its not my kind of game.
>>739572573ESL or low intelligence?
>not enjoying poor writing>HURRDURR LOW IQsqueenix not sending their best
>>739470627But it's closer to 70% gameplay and 30% text. How could you get it completely backwards?
>>739572882I actually played the pisseasy demo on hard and it was indeed 70/30
>>739572778I'm thinking it's both.
>>739571783Correct, and if they said they were copying Zelda or if they were copying things specific to Zelda then they'd be copying Zelda. But they said they were copying Mana and the game doesn't borrow mechanics or structure from Zelda, so they're not copying Zelda
>>739573230>they said they were copying ManaAnd somehow it's not even an RPG. It's not like Mana.
Elliott is a Zelda just like the game that influenced it: Final Fantasy Adventure / Mystic Quest
>>739573365>>739573435>tendies are broken botsChecks out. And I guess that means Genshin wasn't copying BotW since BotW isn't a character swapping RPG.
Triangle Strategy did not have good gameplay.
>>739573568And Zelda is a Xanadu/Druaga/Atari Adventure-like.
>>739573642Correct, it had excellent gameplay
>>739573715Ok boomer
I only played Bravely Default out of all that, I didn't like it very much. The "classes" very extremely shallow, it was what, you get what, 4 or 5 commands/spells per class, but you have dozens of classes, so it's completely a quantity over quality deal that you are getting,, I thought the encounter slider showcased that random encounters should be a thing of the past, the story wasn't that interesting, I arrived at the part where there will be a beauty pageant and just dropped it
>>739467310Of those 4, only Adventures of Elliot won't be released for Nintendo Switch. It is what it is, I can't deny that it makes sense, Nintendo Switch is on its way out, it's losing popularity (a little) and the successor is available right now.
>>739573772Forced myself to finish it all the way to the true final boss. I couldn't stand the characters and the music had to carry the game since the Brave/Default system got tedious and old after finding class combos to break the game apart (ex. Stillness).Octopath 2 had some stinker characters, but there were actually some that I liked which allowed me to persevere all the way to the satisfying epilogue. Octo 1's cast was mostly just "there" to "nothing" after a certain point.
>>739575117>Of those 4, only Adventures of Elliot won't be released for Nintendo SwitchBD1 isn't for the Switch 1 either because of the shitty minigames being shilled.
>>739575264True, I forgot that for a moment. It's available for Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo Switch 2 but not Nintendo Switch.
>>739572872Okay.
>>739565061Well I could also point out you're a trash phone poster who thinks that screengrab isn't the part of a google search that shits out its AI summary.>>739565091Two pages of results, and so many are from blogs/twitter/social media posts. That's not billions.
Bump!
>>739573230I mean in the survey they did ask if you played any zelda games
The sexo fairies are the only good thing team Asano has given us
>>739467310No, I'm not looking forward to The adventures of Ellion personally. That said, I hope people enjoy it
>>739470627>10%>90% Gameplay>100% ADHD
>>739470627this a comment about jrpgs or yank coms in comp game VC.
>>739582335Lol!
>>739580790Oof, I think that's going too far...
Bump.
>>739582792I don't get it.
>>739579572No! It's all just coincidences! The devs would NEVER deliberately take after Zelda!
>>739467310>$40 for cartoon looking unrealslop No thanks
>>739588292Is there anything developed with Unreal Engine 4 or 5 that isn't ''unrealslop''?
>>739579572I'm sure the marketing intern that wrote that question really knows what's going on with the game. Meanwhile, the response SE put out regarding player feedback was entirely about mechanics and nothing else.
>>739588585Afterimage, but its hardcarried by artstyle
>>739589569Huh, that side-scrolling game, I didn't know that it was developed with Unreal Engine.
>>739564058Damn I wish I was around for this shitstorm in real time. Anyway, yeah, across game series obviously. If a lot of games in a single series use a certain gameplay style or mechanic, it's that series' thing, not generic or "bog standard" unless it's common across a bunch of other series. Duh?
>>739590172This makes sense to me.
>>739573763only boomers played nes tloz
>>739590172When 90% of the entire genre is 2 series, then pretending random one offs count just as much as those entire series is beyond retarded. You have to be mentally ill to talk about strategy RPGs and say that Wachenroder counts just as much as every Shining Force game or every SRW game.
>>739590172>unless it's common across a bunch of other seriesIf you can only point to single game then it's not a series to begin with. You shot your argument in the foot.
>>739591619>>739591680>90 seconds apart mad as fuck repliesI'm guessing you're the guy from the shit flinging that happened earlier?
>>739591810>90 secondsThe reply cooldown on this board isn't 90 seconds, you fucking idiot.
>>739591680Also, who is pointing to a single game? I didn't mention any games.
>>739591870>I didn't mention any games.Then feel free to list all the series that have had entries this millenium that use TO/FFT style combat as opposed to FE style combat.
>>739591619>>739591680>>739591858>he waited in a thread for nine (9) hours
>>739591810>>739591937>the angry retards is from /vg/That actually explains a lot.
>>739591983What does you being obsessed to the point of sitting in one thread for nine hours have to do with /vg/?
>>739592034The cooldown timer is 90 seconds on /vg/. You've had the thread open just as long and you're assuming that only 1 person is calling you an idiot. All of that points to you being from /vg/, which explains why you're a mentally ill retard. Try not to get too assblasted over getting found out.
>>739592107I am just plain confused to be quite honest.
>>739592159Sure you are.
>>739592107Anyone can be a "mentally i'll retard" regardless of board.
>>7394784733D Angela > 2D Riesz > 2D Angela > 3D Riesz FACT
>>739470627True, ALL Asano games have trash pacing to extend the playtime for 60~80hrs, from Bravely to Octopath, despite trying so hard to follow 90's FFs, that's the golden goose of the genre in that regard.
>>739478167Plenty of people played it. It's just one of the worse TRPGs ever made.
>>739559104Yes, that's why I like good stuff instead of garbage like Bravely Default/II and Octopath Traveller.
>>739473424People were that desperate. It was either that, FFXIII/XIII-2 or XIV 1.0 in 2011/2012.Bravely is still bad, nonetheless.
>>739594430If we grade on a curve, it's perfectly fine because Dark Deity is such a shitshow that it makes everything else good in comparison
Look at that DEI cast kek
>>739572973Do you read slowly and or ignore enemies or something? Or play on something lower than the most difficult difficulty?
