Modern CRPGs are so boring
>>739481367Those are not ARPGs
>>739481397Than what are they?
>>739481367Modern crpgs are just party romance and therapy session simulators
>JRPGs
>>739481367CRPGs are the only video games with decent spellcasters in them.
>>739481426not arpgs. ARPGs nowadays are diablo clones. those are just open world rpgs dumb fucking dipshit
>>739481367remove that dogshit of TW3
huh arent arpgs supposed to be seasonal only games where you press a button and it clears all the screen of enemies and you do that over and over?
>>739481426Action games. Arpgs are what you call poe 2 and diablo 4.
>>739481426A JRPG, a sandbox and 3 open world RPGs
>>739481367I think CRPGs being bad has a lot to do with modern writing spaces being filled with women and faggot redditors. CRPGs are much more writing heavy so they flood the space and make it cringe but writing being "woke and gay" is considered a good thing in contemporary writing
>>739481490Was getting shirtless really necessary to cast that spell
>>739481446>Modern crpgs are just party romance and therapy session simulatorsIt's sad how true this is. Modern CRPGs feel like they're written by women or men who think they're women.
>>739481516Yes. They used to be called hack and slash games but then they focused on metacrafting and stat spreadsheets so they are real time rpgs with number autism.
>>739481446>Modern crpgs are just party romance and therapy session simulatorsThe only way you could come to that conclusion is if you got all your information about CRPGs from /v/ threads about CRPGs instead of actually playing them because the typical CRPG romance is generally less than a sidequest's worth of content.
>>739481367ARPGs are a pathetic genre. The entire point of an RPG is complexity and choice that comes from the flexibility of a turn-based system. The entire point of an action game is a skill check of simple mechanics that demand good reaction time and pattern recognition. RPGs are like tabletop games, action games are like ball games. ARPGs are like trying to shove basketball mechanics into chess - the result is just incoherent.
>>739481675>The only way you could come to that conclusion is if you got all your information about CRPGs from /v/ threads about CRPGs instead of actually playing them because the typical CRPG romance is generally less than a sidequest's worth of contentTrue, you enter any crpg thread on /v/ it's usually spergs waifu warring and discussing if their waifus cucked them.
>>739481367>throne of bhaal>modern
>>739481397>level up rpgs stats>lots of actionARPG
wrpgs (crpg is a cope term) were never good because wrpg players don't expect them to be good. they have this weird autism/hubris where gameplay doesn't matter to them and all they care about is how hard the game is trying to be single player dungeons and dragons. it doesn't matter if it's total jank, as long as it's hitting the checklist of what a "real rpg" should be like they will say that makes it a good game. even if it doesn't actually do the thing they will say "at least it's trying."other games will try to hook the player with addictive gameplay or a narrative you want to follow or some kind of gimmick, but wrpgs basically expect you to be invested in them before you even start playing. think of all of the absolute shit starting levels in wrpgs. the game dumps you in some stupid dungeon like the temple of trials in fallout 2 or tanith in kotor with hardly any in game motivator to get through it, because you're expected to bring your own motivation.
>>739482057>they have this weird autism/hubris where gameplay doesn't matter to them and all they care about is how hard the game is trying to be single player dungeons and dragons.There are Crpgs that aren't based on D&D you know?>the game dumps you in some stupid dungeon like the temple of trials in fallout 2 or tanith in kotor with hardly any in game motivator to get through it, because you're expected to bring your own motivation.I bet you have ADHD, lol
>>739481825and then you open that same crpgs subreddit and see that 90% is women asking "how should I fuck in this run?"
>>739481565Summons out, guns out faggot
>>739481367Is that supposed to be John Carmack?
RPGs are all about writing, and guess what, current generations can't write for shit.
>>739481472This
>>739482323>There are Crpgs that aren't based on D&D you know?it doesn't matter you have the same mindset with games like fallout or morrowind.>I bet you have ADHD, lolit's not about attention span, it's about whether the game is trying to interest you vs expecting you to be interested already. in other games the first level is about getting the player to think "wow this is cool I want to keep playing." in wrpgs it's like "ok I have my character idea planned out let's get through this starter area to start working on the build."
>>739481367Elden Ring is not an RPG
>>739482638>Elden Ring is a 2022 action role-playing game directed by Hidetaka Miyazaki with worldbuilding provided by the American fantasy writer George R. R. Martin.
>>739481446>>739481592>reee it's actually about those 3% of content >I know this because that's what all the girlies talk about Kill yourself, failed normalfags.
>>739481446This
>>739481509>>739481531>if the camera angle isn't isometric it isn't an arpgwhy?
>>739482751It's not about isometric cameras. Arpgs nowadays refer to diabloclones and similar games.
>>739482693>armor items that do not meaningfully reduce damageit's not an rpg
>>739482786I searched arpg on steam and the first game that came up was nightreignwhy isn't it an arpg?
>>739481367They were always boring, they provided either escapism or autism (for build fags). Peak gameplay being spell rock paper scissors.
>>739482618>it's not about attention span, it's about whether the game is trying to interest you vs expecting you to be interested already. in other games the first level is about getting the player to think "wow this is cool I want to keep playing." in wrpgs it's like "ok I have my character idea planned out let's get through this starter area to start working on the build."No, that's exactly the point. CRPGs don't try to hook you with instant dopamine in the first 10 minutes. They expect you to bring your own curiosity and investment... because the genre is about ROLE-PLAYING. The game is saying: "Here's a world. Here's your character. Now go make something of it" ADHD niggers lack imagination so it's no wonder you hate them.
>>739482901Yes very deep, poorly written power fantasy #156, now with gay romance and more (pointless) builds.
>>739482715both of those anons are right though
>>739482806>armor items that do not meaningfully reduce damagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmEmSjojWIo
>>739481367These aren't ARPGs, they're adventure games with RPG elements.ARPGs are picrel.
>>739482937>Yes very deep, poorly written power fantasy #156, now with gay romance and more (pointless) builds.You're describing JRPGs
>>739483020oh, so nioh 2 is an arpg
>>739483020>adventureMeans everything and nothing
>>739483075Ackshully yeah, because Nioh is just diablo loot and numbers go up gameplay loop especially in the end game.
>>739483020>The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt[c] is a 2015 action role-playing game developed and published by CD Projekt. It is the sequel to the 2011 game The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings and the third game in The Witcher video game series,
>>739483069No, I'm describing all RPGs, just that arpgs have less emphasis on poor writing/gay romance/build 'tism.
>Power fantasy BAD
>>739483202If we are going by this thread's definition of arpgs, then they are the most reliant on built autism since they live and die based on how creative you can be with builds.
>>739481730>The entire point of an RPG is complexity and choice that comes from the flexibility of a turn-based systemROFL what complexity. You select attack and then heal from a DVD menu with zero interactability. Turn based slop can barely be classified as games
>>739483075Yeah>>739483164It really doesn't deserve that label. ARPGs are still derived from those old CRPGs (formerly known as RPGs), but all these third-person games are something else entirely. It’s probably fair to just call them RPGs given that they make up the majority these days.>>739483202All these CRPGs from back in the day really didn't have deep or interesting stories in most cases, they were more about the experience. All this obsession with narrative is a fairly modern phenomenon.
>>739483325>t. someone who has never played a turn-based RPG outside of FF7
>>739483020Nobody thinks about this when they say ARPG, these are called cookie clicker games
>>739481367Blame millennials for that.These fuckers ruined gaming for everyone
>>739481367>like CRPGs>like action RPGs>like JRPGs>tfw
>>739483407Witcher and Disco really don't deserve to be here. They're soulful slav junk
>>739483465Finns are not slavs and both games are fucking trashWant to play some slav kino? Play atomic heart, tarkov or gostomel heroesThese are real deal
>>739483462>Like slopGood for you, I guess.
>>739483407>trying too hardI hate this term more than you can ever believe. You should try your hardest at every aspect in life, even shitposting on the internet. Otherwise just die you fucking evolutionary dead end.
>>739481367That image was made by a faggot that has at most played only Skyrim for 5 hours from that set.
>>739483407Stop playing western slop
>>739482901>CRPGs don't try to hook you with instant dopamine in the first 10 minutes. They expect you to bring your own curiosity and investment... because the genre is about ROLE-PLAYING.that's exactly what I was saying. wrpgs don't care about being good games or interesting games because players don't expect them to be good or interesting games. all they care about is whether the game checks off the boxes for what they consider to be important for "real roleplaying" and that alone makes it a good game as far as they're concerned.
>>739483554Cope
>>739483514Disco was made by Estonians and they all are Slavs no matter how butthurt they get about it. Even Finns are Slavs, the actual indigenous population was driven out long ago.
>>739483601> Disco was made by EstoniansFirst of all, no, the game was made by Finns.Secondly, no Slav considers Balts or Finns to be Slavs.I am Russian, and I believe that the Baltics and Finland belong to Russia and should submit to Moscow, but I do not consider them Slavs. No one here considers them as such.
>>739483576Nah, I want power armor & to shoot a deathclaw with a minigun. That "slow burn" nonsense ain't for me - balls to the wall, baby, I got plenty of imagination & access to 5 different mod havens, so GIVE ME FUEL, GIVE ME FIRE, GIVE ME WABAHAMAGAMMA>writing = irrelevant
>>739483659Yes, I'm sorry, someone named Alexander Rostov is definitely not a slav.
>>739483761Yeah. A name doesn't make you ethnically different.The Baltics belonged to the Russians for many years, and we ruled the Balts. Naturally, they adopted our naming traditions. But that didn't stop them from being Balts.
>>739483817Balts do not, in fact, exist as a distinct ethnic group. Slavs conquered and displaced them on several occasions. The people who originally lived there were killed and replaced by Slavs even before Russian Empire was formed. Even Finns are basically Slavs and Swedes while indigenous peoples have essentially died out.
>>739483407Almost half of those games have great writing.
>>739481426I've seen people call them character action games
>>739483583This shit is so tiresome, but fortunately you can fix it with a mod. It totally works too. It's almost entirely white guilt "diversity," so all these characters are literally just race-swapped white European people with the exception of the one druid guy, so you can just swap them back.
>>739484149No, they are not
>>739484202> but fortunately you can fix it with a modMods are gayJust don't play shitty games instead of trying to fix the unfixable and ruin the experienceMods should be illegal
>>739484251>trying to fix the unfixableBut you actually CAN fix it. Like I said before, BG3's diversity is almost completely just white guilt race-swap diversity, so you can literally just swap the characters back.
>>739481367weird, all the games on the right I lost interest after less than two hours. they're just incredibly repetitive with boring empty worlds.
>>739481675This, and it makes it even more bizarre how the retards here get this hung up about and basically define the whole experience around them.I unless there is some benefit or best ending I literally don't care I just want to beat the big evil guy and loot
>>739484303> But you actually CAN fix it.You can'tA shit ton of characters are woke, dialogs are woke, story is woke, companions are woke> so you can literally just swap the characters back.Yes, but you won't be able to rewrite roughly 80% of the dialogues in the game. You won't be able to change the setting or the tone of the game. You won't be able to change the main story and the companions' personalities.The visual part is only a small part of the problem. The entire DNA of the game is saturated with woke ideology.
>>739481367>slop>slop>slop>jank>good gameWhoa the chuds really showed us.
>>739484149AHAHAHA
>>739483407I think the nigger who made this post (what is this even, insta?) was trying too hard
>>739481367Nigga tried to sneak Witcher in there. The dogshit combat alone disqualifies it from being an ARPG
>>739484462>Kingdom Come is not not jankall my sides
>>739481490Dominion-likes/MoM-likes are the rest.
>>739484571It's less jank than M&B.
>>739484632>It's less jank than M&B.Not true
>>739484632You literally have not played it if you think doing anything but talking and walking isn't a complete shitshow in that compared to the crude but intuitive gameplay in M&B
>>739484451>pic related consumed gorillion pages of Mass Effect fanfic>a space opera series full of body horror, blood, violence and injustice>troons out>proceeds to create quirky chungus safespace slopI dont fucking get this pipeline. How the fuck do hardcore fans of dark and gritty IPs go ahead to produce the most soft and cushioned bullshit imaginable???
>>739484451Realms Restored - gets rid of the color-splash diversity and some some of the more bizarre decisions with character modelsNo Alphabets - gets rid of all the gay shitEven Better Romance - Same-sex companions won't flirt with youWhich gets rid of basically anything that could be considered "woke" in the game.The game's main plot is not "woke" in any sense of the term. The main plot of the game is about mindflayers and dark gods. It's a fairly standard fantasy adventure with woke stuff grafted onto it that can be fairly easily modded out.
>>739481367>WOTRPathfinder games are terrible, i don't see how ppl play that rubbish or any owlcat game for that matter
>>739484778>anon has shit taste>anon is unable to grasp why people like things he doesnt likechecks out. I belive we call this autism. Did you ever get checked for that?
>>739484726> The game's main plot is not "woke" in any sense of the term.In Act 2, you are FORCED to kill Ketheric Thorm no matter what choices you make, even though he’s the most based character in the entire game.And that’s not even mentioning the branching point where, if you want to restore justice and punish the Nightsong, you are FORCED to side with an absolutely evil and ridiculous goddess who patronizes cuckolds.And after all that, you’re going to tell me the game isn’t woke? Are you an idiot?
>>739484715Bold of you to assume that the "people" who consume fanfic slop are actual fans of the source material.
>>739484863True, but they must have engaged with the material in the first place, right?They must have put in the game with Humans being put on spikes, with shady cutthroat government, space racism on every corner, crime all over the place and non stop horrific human experimentation and said>yeah, this shit but gayer and safer and more lame
>>739484853>In Act 2, you are FORCED to kill Ketheric Thorm no matter what choices you make, even though he’s the most based character in the entire game.He's a worshiper of a dark god and one of the people controlling the Absolute. Even if you like his character, he's pretty antagonistic towards you in a pretty irreconcilable way. You're complaining that you have to kill the villain.>And that’s not even mentioning the branching point where, if you want to restore justice and punish the Nightsong, you are FORCED to side with an absolutely evil and ridiculous goddess who patronizes cuckolds.The conflict with the Nightsong is pretty directly a conflict between Selune and Shar, and killing the Nightsong is siding with Shar. If your problem is the lesbian shit, No Alphabets switches the Nightsong to male.
>>739484814>Owlkek tranny immediately jumping to defend their slopYou can't say one thing bad about those shitty games without some autistic sperg like you acting like a clown, lol
>>739481509>argument: nowhere to be seen
>Getting bullied by a broccoli head with a game pad.
>>739485001projecting your insecurities
>>739484778I ask myself the same thing when people exalt open world slop.
>>739485043>muh projectionKWAB
>>739484987> He'sHe’s just a father who wants to save his daughter from the clutches of death and homosexuality. And he’s doing everything possible to achieve that.His hostility towards you is nothing more than a ridiculous plot device and badly written storytelling. Woke idiots just couldn’t resist inserting such nonsense.> The conflict with the Nightsong Nightsong is evil. Shar is evil. I don't want to choose between two evil things because the game is a postmodernistic shit> If your problem is theMy problem that this shit's attitude is EVIL but the game tries to portray it otherwise because it was made by r***it postmodern atheist cucks
It's not just the writing. There is also something off about the world design, it feels too gamey and fake, themepark like. The last cRPG I remember having a decent world design was Pillars of Eternity 1, even if its writing was already meh.
>>739485021>argument: nowhere to be seenThere's no need for a debate just visit the wikipedia for each of those game and near the top you'll see [action role-playing game]
>>739485197No Alphabets changes the Nightsong to male.
>>739481446Yep, they went hand-in-hand with PnP RPGs into being social roleplay simulators for fags and their fag friends.
>>739485197>guy serves the guy of evil undead>and leads the mind controlled armies of the absolute>and is currently gathering a host to conquer the realm>with body horror necromancer guy as his right hand man>just a father, bro, dont worry, brodo you have any idea how retarded and unsincere you come off as
>>739481675>The only way you could come to that conclusion is if you got all your information about CRPGs from /v/ threads about CRPGs instead of actually playing themThis honestly applies to so many games these days. Yeah "/v/ doesn't play games hurr durr" and it was a thing in past as well.But now anons argue in-depth about games they have never even touched. At best, as you said, read /v/ threads and watch a Youtube review from their favorite Youtuber. Be it a plain grifter for "THIS GAME IS WOKE!!!! WEST HAS FALLEN"-level of videos or actually someone talking about it somewhat proper.But it still stands that you see same arguments repeated over and over again from same /v/ approved opinions and same webms from Twitter or /v/ threads repeated to "prove" why game is bad and they don't play them.I honestly wish more anons could just say "Eh, not my thing and I don't wanna play it" instead of spending all their time arguing about quality of a game they aren't gonna play. And yes, there is difference between laughing at a disaster like Concord. But now I see still threads about the Marathon game and people screeching how bad it is. Week 1? Yeah sure go at it, but still same people who have never played it posting internet opinions. People should play games they actually enjoy and stop letting shitty AAA-slop live rent free in their head. Same with any other game and genre. Like if you dislike indie games why spend all day in threads about them? Same with CRPGs. Hell, same even with fucking gachaslop.Actively disliking something and never showing what you like makes a person very ugly.
>>739481367literally the other way around + not ARPGsthis image was made by a tranny
>>739483123wait really?i might get into nioh then, i love ARPG autism and always wanted a 3rd person diablo like gamealways thought Nioh was soulslop
>>739481367>>739485328>"This genre is made for trannies!">"Nu-uh! YOUR favorite genre is made for trannies!"Exact low IQ retardation you could expect from /v/. Imagine stamping a whole genre of medium to be "for people I dislike". This is on level of consolewar faggotry or kids fighting over best shonen manga or fucking music genres.
>>739485383It's a lot harder than the cookie clicker ARPGs you're used to playing
>>739483465they absolutely doDisco especially
>>739485413so its soulslop with ARPG elements
>>739485328>not ARPGsThey are. The definition of ARPG you’re clinging to is no longer the consensus. I don't get why that's so hard for you ppl to understand. Is it autism?
>>739483659>First of all, no, the game was made by Finns.It is this kind of anons being so confidently wrong without even googling that always surprises me. Seriously, someone says that "no it wasn't made by finns" and anon just doubles down rather than re-checking.And the fact they never recognize the fact they were wrong or admit it, instead of trying to change the subject.Its strange human behavior, do people's parents teach them to act like that? What causes this? We are in one of the only "safe" environments to be wrong about something when we are all anonymous and anons still argue like their life and honor depends on it.Its worrying to me, because a stupid person who is confident they are right while everyone else is wrong are kinda dangerous IRL.
>>739484303>BG3's diversity is almost completely just white guilt race-swap diversity???How? Majority of the characters are white. Especially important characters.
>>739485386seethe harder faggot
>>739481367>play WOTR>get through siege retaking Drezen>immediately become bored >fuck it restart a new character >rinse and repeat
>>739485683The non-white characters are just race-swapped white characters. They didn't even limit it to the humans, even the dwarves, elves, halflings have it done to them. But they're not foreigners, they're all supposed to be native Baldurans. And no one brings up their race ever. So you can just switch them back to white without causing a problem.
>>739485563>live through multiple decades where a label refers to something specific>some fags change it>"Why won't you just accept these two different things use the same label now, Unc?"
>>739481367WotR is power tripping kino. Regill is always right.
Shartlennials can't write for shit.
>>739486216Except back then we called all diablo-likes "hack and slash".
>>739486216What this anon said >>739486283
>>739481367those aren't cry rpgs
My favorite thing about KCD is that it's arguably a survival-centric game with how much effort you put into being prepared to fight 2 or 3 guys in an entire in-game day, plus needing regularly to dress wounds and sleep off the damage if you suffered any.May sound boring on paper, but its execution to that end was stellar. Last supremely immersive game I've played.There also never was a sequel.
>>739481934>level up stats is RPGFar Far West is not an RPG, you are a retard
>>739485286We've gotten to a point where blatant misinformation about games just circles around forever because people would rather watch a fucking YouTuber or read a shitpost about a video game instead of actually play it. I get that you might want to avoid playing a shitty game, but it gets to the point where you have to ask if anyone is actually playing video games.
>>739481446They should make NPC romance pools totally seperate from your actual party, romances don't get dragged down by party stuff and party doesn't get dragged down by romance
>>739481367They are. It's like someone decided they are supposed to have mandatory "talking sections" that ruin the flow of gameplay.
NuRPGfags are fucking insane. Full of shit taste.
>>739481426wrpgs
>>739486667Without fail, the games people do talk about having played are utter gook waifu slop or some "pc masterrace" boredom simulator for white collar faggots in their offtime.
>>739481367>good>meh, never finished it>good>kino>goodvs.>overrated fromshitslop>overrated>overrated>meh>awful combat but otherwise okay i guesstranny post, kill yourself>shartynigger
>>739484572I really enjoy watching mp campaigns of this game but cannot into itI've never played mp it's the only pvp game that I get anxious just thinking about how I'm gonna get fucked up
>>739487516Think about it that way: Everybody is getting fucked up except one guy who becomes the new Pantokrator.It is kind of a "last man standing" type of scenario after all.As long as you talk to other people and don't appear to threatening you can even diplo yourself out of situation with superior enemies by having other players gang up on them.
>>739481490I actually fucking hate CRPG magic systems because they inevitably try to turn every element into the same thing with no unique identity.Want to be a fire mage? Cool here's your basic spell fireball and your aoe spell fire cone and they both cause a burn dot amplified by oil. Your advanced spell is a meteor that rains down from the sky.Want to be a lightning mage? Here's your basic spell a lightning bolt and your aoe spell a chain lightning that does bonus damage against armored enemies or enemies in water. Your advanced spell is a lightning cloud that rains down damage from the sky.Want to be a ice mage? Here's your basic spell an icicle and your aoe spell a cone frost breath that slows enemies. Your advanced spell causes icicles to rain down from the sky.Want to be an earth mage? Here's your basic spell a rock and your aoe spell is a cone shockwave that stuns enemies. Your advanced spell is a boulder that rains down from the sky.It's all so boring.
>>739484160as opposed to geometrical shape action games?
>>739484251>out of weaknessMaybe they want to explore the levels freely and take screenshots? No? Immediate projection of own insecurity? What a shame
>>739484715Mass Effect was full of body horror, blood, violence and injustice.Mass Effect fanfiction is quirky chungus safespace slop.These statements are not mutually exclusive and the end result of troons writing quirk chungus safespace slop is still a valid and accurate deduction
>>739481426action games with RPG elements
>>739484149
>>739481367>JRPGs
>>739485563Skyrim isn't an RPG. It has no abstraction of combat skill.
>>739482882I searched bullet hell on steam and the first game that came up was enter the gungeon
>>739485286>I honestly wish more anons could just say "Eh, not my thing and I don't wanna play it" instead of spending all their time arguing about quality of a game they aren't gonna playYou sound like a zoomer baby. Bad stuff does not exist in a vacuum. Every facet of its existences detracts from and harms stuff that might not have been shit, and this is why everyone who likes Switch Zelda should be waterboarded.
>>739488321>abstraction of combat skillThat's not what makes a role playing game, you cretin. It is one thing that makes a bad game, but that's a separate matter.
>>739485239Yeah, but the writing is the same woke shitIt's not about the faggotory, it's about the anti-father anti-christian messege
>>739481367Not reading this thread, just gonna say that using jaks should be an instant perma
>>739487997You did not beat the game weak ass pussy
>>739481367What are old CRPG's?
>>739488707but opposition towards or support for christianity is completely orthogonal to wokeness, unlike faggotry which is strongly aligned with wokeness.
>>739488581>Every facet of its existences detracts from and harms stuff that might not have been shit, and this is why everyone who likes Switch Zelda should be waterboarded.This kind of attitude exactly is what I mean.I think BotW is shit and TotK is a shit with a ribbon on it.But spending every waking moment of your life being angry at media that you don't like fucks up your brain. Surrounding yourself with negativity makes you negative. Again, no hurt in expressing your distaste of something but it shouldn't make you fucked up to the point you see a thread about a game you don't like or care about making you genuinely angry.Because you probably think other people being irrationally angry about games you like is... Irrational.Imagine the "worst person you know" complaining about a game you like every day. Like some pointless shit like "The girls are oversexualized!!!" etc.Every day.Their waking moments.You make a thread about a game you like, and that person is there screeching how only chuds like it. Then posting some Twitter screenshot of some laughably loser guy arguing on Twitter and using it as an example.Or maybe that person just insists the game is bad for gameplay and spams same webm of a game everyday to the point they have to start changing the metadata to get around bans. And that webm might not be even true or accurate. Maybe its a glitch that got patched 3 years ago. Maybe its emulator being baka. Hell maybe its just someone playing like shit.And when you told them to stop, they would call you a zoomer baby and that bad stuff does not exist in vacuum. "And this is why everyone who likes [game you like] should be waterboarded."Would you see any point trying to converse about vidya with a person like that?This isn't me trying to "own" you or "win". Just some self-reflection for you, because all of us are hypocrites to some end when it comes to vidya discussion on /v/. Just try and avoid defending low quality posting and shit behavior.
We are eating RPG bros
>>739488707Anti-chr*stfaggot messaging is based and Virtue-pilled. Your jew slave morality is evil dogshit, and chr*stcuckoldry itself is explicitly anti-father, kill yourself
>>739481490Wizardjerking is the worst thing about classical RPGs
>>739489205>This kind of attitude exactly is what I mean.I know that's what you mean. It's the correct attitude and yours is the wrong one. We've seen that "letting people enjoy things" and "keeping politics out of it" directly causes everything to go to shit. Every moment of your life is a fight against entropy, usually in the form of the pigshit stupidity of other hominids. Stop being a ninny, and I didn't read 90% of that post.
>>739489330Kafkaesque, but I am confident the Covid shut-in boom is over so after these fiascos we are done with RPG woke slop for another decade again at least.
>>739489330>ANOTHER Cringedom Come>mein Gesicht wenn das so istWas the Divinity game known to be an actual GAME like Divinity II, or is it another turnslop bookcringe game like Divinity Original Sin?
>>739488692That's the classical definition of a RPG. They are games that abstract player skill out of the experience so you can inhibit being another person. That's the point of RPGs, that's why they have dice rolling mechanics and not skill based mechanics like hoopla or tiddlywinks for resolving conflict.Any videogame or tabletop game that has player based skills involved is by definition, not an RPG. Many have RPG elements like stats or loot.Slightly related, but that's why there's always big debates on the in-game social element of TTRPGs, because social skills are a real world player skill and old school RPGs didn't gamify those as much whereas modern RPGs offload these to dice rolls and it's a weird sort of inversion of the definition.The main point was always combat though, because they were based on wargames.
>>739489330> Woke trash> Woke AND pagan trash> Woke trash> Woke trashEvil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made
>>739489395Christ is KingYou can be saved, friend
>>739489205You sound like a whiny bitch, desu
>>739489886Kingdom Come and Divinity are both original IPs you dumb Owlcuckold
>>739489926What if i'm indian?
>>739489569>and I didn't read 90% of that post.I still don't understand why zoomers have so much trouble spending one(1) minute reading a post. Must be adhd or smth
>>739489573All three studios delivered successful games both before and after COVID boom>>739489886KCD and Divinity are original IPs
>>739489972Yes, and? It is still woke sloppa for a woke millennialsBoth games are considering Critical Role fans as their primary audienceBoth games are liberalism-pilled and divinity is pagans as fuck also
>>739490016Then you are based aryan and if accept orthodoxy then you will be savedListen what Dugin says and you will be alright
>>739490054>I still don't understand why zoomers have so much trouble spending one(1) minute reading a post.nobody wants to read your whiny post, lol. You should be thankful we're even giving u (you)s, faggot
>>739490159You are a drama slopper who hasn't played KCD or Original sin
>>739490159>He gets his opinions from synthetic goyHahaha, holyshit. You're pathetic. You do realize that guy deepthroats dildos right? LMAO
>>739490230Voluntary ignorance and promotion of anti-intellectualism is just sad.You must be a mutt
>>739490159Streaming ruined the channel. Instead of actually being passionate about games, now he just does ACG tier reviews with lip service for chuds while saying gaming is heckin dead every five minutes.
>>739490249Played it and dropped it mid playthroughI also played Balls Hurt Gay 3 and it was terribleNeve played KCD but it i saw enough info about the game to know for sure that it is a woke humiliation ritual.
>>739490467>Streaming ruined the channel.him deepthroating dildos and acting like a faggot ruined the channel
>>739490524>russianopinion discarded
>>739490524Nice to know you play based games like WOTR Also >Neve played KCD but it i saw enough info about the game to know for sure that it is a woke humiliation ritual.Holy larp
>>739482618Take it as if it's an investment. You give it something and expect something back. Whereas if you were playing slop, it expects nothing of you and the rewards feel diminished.
>>739490560Thats Ukrainian
>>739490604>based games like WOTRWotR is a pozzed cuckolded humiliation ritual, he's an unironic Owlshill and you have shit taste
>>739490657Same thing
>>739490657>Thats UkrainianSame thing. Also aren't you supposed to be fighting a war? Why are you on 4chan, lol
>>739490693Ik retardI was being sarcastic. WOTR somehow has more theater kid energy than BG3.
>>739490560CringRussia is basedRussia is tradI know what i'm talking about>>739490604> Holy larpSo, you're ready to claim that in the game there is none of the following:1. Mandatory friendship with a black person in medieval Bohemia 2. A mandatory quest to save a synagogue that historically didn't even exist there at the time 3. An additional quest to create a golem where you have to taste feces on the orders of a Jew 4. Mockery of the Holy Inquisition and attempts to portray them negatively as insane fanaticsRight? Is this the hill you're willing to die on?
>>739490739>>739490693both of you are wrong & retarded
What makes Divinity trannycore? Only seen an hour of gameplay but it looks like a silly little generic fantasy game?
>>739490776Pagan shit and troons LOVE pagan shit because they hate Christianity
>>739483534this post is trying too hard
>>739490693>WotR is a pozzed cuckolded humiliation ritualThere's no cuckoldry in WOTR
>>739490745If you get hung up on this faggot shit in KCD2 you are a fake chud. The non stop kike propaganda is the really fucking offense. The faggot shit and Munsa are literary only in the game to distract from that.
>>739490745I know a larp when i see one you said KCD 1 was woke while posting Simp pathetic man
>>739490770Oh so WTOR is based now?
>>739490885I literally said about that>>739490897Never played KCD1 because the second one is wokeThy the fuck i should play the series that already corrupted?
>>739489926Very cool graph! Let's test it by making another one comparing church abuse of children compared to the overall population! :)
>>739491037>Never played 1 because i knew it's sequal will be woke>More synthetic man Lol go play more WOTR
>>739491104But first, lets do secular schools and social services ;)
CRPG players vs ARPG players
>>739491037That guy like gay btw. There's a vid of him sucking dildos
>>739481367Gacha>>>>>>
>>739481367>play CRPG>words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words here's some combat words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words >play ARPG>looterslop (a diablo-like)
>>739491105> >Never played 1 because i knew it's sequal will be wokeI never play games on release because there is no point and that this shit is woke was known since 2022 when Vavra made THIS statement
>>739490997not based, but miles better than BG3; Rogue Trader, Mechanicus 2 and Daemonhunters mog both
>>739487804shit you described is nothing like magic systems in crpgs, definitely anything like in d&d ones
>>739491382so you’re just an all around Russia shill? Lol
>>739491435I’m sure it has great build quality or whateverI just couldn’t get past the quirky chungus writing
>>739490159>incel who lost his shit when Moistcritical passingly mentioned him in one of his videosLMAO
>>739491494No, but i love my country, i'm a patriot and i know that Russia is basedI'm not ashamed to be a Russian and it's sad to see that some developers prefer political stance over making good games
>>739491661Sure thing Blud
>>739491583Why does that guy hate Crowbcat so much?
>>739491702Because crowbcat speaks in truths
>>739491661I hope you guys win your war. Big fan of cs.rin.ru
>>739490803So is Norse Mythology tranny approved too? I genuinely don’t understand what you’re trying to tell meGo ahead and post a woke compilation image from Divinity, since I know you have one. If it’s actually pozzed I will accept the truth.
>>739481367
>>739491949>game is unironically compared to Tolkien like it's a good thingSounds about right
>>739491902> from Divinity,The entire game trailer is literally a homage to the wild pagan tradition of the Wicker Man and its human sacrificesAnd right after this ritual in the trailer comes an orgy.What more proof do you need, friend? This is literally the embodiment of pagan obscurantism.> So is Norse Mythology tranny approved too?Yes. New God of War, Hellblade, Crusader Kings 3 - all this shit is extremely woke
>>739488707>Anti christianWhat. Last I checked necromancy, consorting with dark gods, Mass slaughter, etc etc is not Christlike
>>739491902notice how anything that's not exactly what they want becomes "trans-coded". give everything they don't like to the in this case imaginary enemy. now even ancient mythology is for "trannies" LOL
>>739490803Paganism just writes much better fiction than christianity.Simple as.
>>739481531>>739482786>>739481509You are wrongDiablo clones were always called hack'n'slashaRPGs are in fact correctly categorized in OP. Mass Effect, Witcher, TES. Action games with some RPG elements
>>739492083Im talking about the earlier two Divinity Games from 2014 and 2017 not the unreleased game with a generic shockbait trailer
>>739481367>ARPG>None listed
>>739492380refer to >>739485563 >>739492293
>>739492267No, the best games are Christian-pilledPlus pagan shit is evil and evil is not coolAlso the best vidya classic from the past is SUPER Christ-pilled because it was made by white Christian guys
>>739492551"Pilled"=/=based on
>>739492551>>739492582Not to mention the bible has been scrubbed clean of every interesting and cool element that their lore once had.
>>739485462More an arpg with soulslop elements
>>739492551>the best games are Christian-pilledThe best games have girls fucking their fathers, child murder, sex with donkeys, and rape? Count me in
>>739492849> Count me in
>>739484715They don't play the game. Try readinfg some foidslop fanfiction sometime. It's demented what these people are spending their time on.
>>739484853Are there any major villains beside Minthara you can spare?
>>739492083Okay soccer momNiggas crying about paganism in gaming in 2026
>>739492926>no refutationEnjoy your animal rape book Rabbi :)
>>739493081Gortash, but he dies in cutscene laterEmperorLae'ZelShawodhear and her troon friendZevlor
>Hammurabi's law gets memed on for thousands of years because magic sky dad book says it's bad>archeologists find actual copy of said laws>it's actually more fair than most legal systems until the modern timesNow why would the book written by jews slander a fair legal system
>>739492551Pic unrelated?What best games are you referring to?
>>739490885>don't mention the game is pozzed because of THIS pozzed stuff, anon. mention the game is pozzed because of THAT pozzed stuffHow about both? And the conclusion it's a pozzed shitheap that no self-respecting person should ever engage with.
>>739493224Where in the Bible does it say that? Chapter and verse please.
>>739493273BG 1-2ArcanumPlanescapeNWN1
>>739493224I remember reading it long time agoWasn't it something likePaying small fee for killing slaveHeigh fee for wifeEqual punishment for hurting your equal Idk how fair or right it is but it would definitely make an interesting setting
>>739481367This is what happens when you don't actually play games and instead consume online slop discussion. This is a tourist opinion.90% of CRPG threads are between schizophrenics arguing about romances, meanwhile those "romances" are a single averagely written quest at best in the middle of an 100 hour game with a ton of story and build complexity.Motherfuckers talk about WOTR as if it's a dating sim and not an Excel simulator with a trillion different classes and two dozen endings.
>>739493306How about playing the game instead of being a drama tranny
>>739493198>a female dwarf has a beard Lore accurate
>>739493364What's Christian about them? None of them take place in our world, there's no Christ in their reality.
>>739493418Yeah drama faggots don't play video games
>>739481367I love all 10>>739481472Based
>>739493224It is absolutely true that the Torah/Old Testament has poisoned public opinion on a lot of people, because historically illiterate cultures like Americans put a ton of weight on "studying" the "Bible" and take it as an inerrant divine text.The Mitanni, Seleucids, Phoenicians, all get slandered because the goat herder Israelite tribes didn't like them. "Philistine" became an English word for the crude and uneducated, meanwhile the Philistines were a highly cultured Greek-adjacent society. It flip flops on Assyrians, Persians and Babylonians depending on if Jews were sucking their kings off at a specific period.
>>739493428I am white, so I have no interest in paying for and playing pozzed garbage.
>>739484853>he’s the most based character in the entire game.Huh? He is by far the biggest embarrassment in JK Simon's illustrious career. Seriosly, why was he so bad.
>>739493418Do you have any more art like you just posted?
>>739493740Because you are busy playing other pozzed garbage ?
>>739489330Eventually... Besides E33 its been an absolutely brutal 2 years.
>>739493786I am busy playing things that aren't pozslop.
>>739493740>muh pozzed muh slop am I a based chud enough yetDon't play videogames then you sensitive faggot, goddamn
>>739493418WOTR is for cucks
>>739493315You're the christkek, you figure out which page talks about the "eye of for an eye" shit lol>>739493379Some of the examples I saw were that cases must be given a fair trial, defendants must be actually proven guilty in a court of law, detailed laws against all sorts of scamming and jewery, etc. Very advanced for something written in dune baboon lands thousands of years ago
>>739489886>#5, cant break through their saving throws anyway.Explian?
>>739481367>Elden Ring>Skyrim>Witcher 3>In the same categoryMaybe it's time to start learning new words, you guys.
>>739493837KCD2 was greatTainted grail was alright
>>739493859No, I will just play games that aren't pozslop for cattle.Simple as.
>>739493771I saved it from an old Tamriel Rebuilt thread, sorry
>>739494046Dang, i love the style of it
>>739490159woke =/= liberalYou're dumb
>>739493878Not everyone romanced Camellia bro
>>739493840Such as?
>>739490159Chud fatigue is very real.
>>739493903You can make a real powerful build that allow you to guarantee any control even on demon lords
>>739494191>look i don't mind leftoids shitting up my games with their garbage ideology, but when people start talking badly about that, THAT is where I draw the lineGood fencesitter LARP, anon.
>>739494415NTA, but the problem with anti woke shit is that it’s often shallow and repetitive. It’s like: Yeah, I get it XYZ is le woke because A, B, and C. Now can we talk about something else?Games have merits and demerits beyond being woke
>>739481367I'm glad I was never a fan of DnD, W40k, Pathfinder or any of these other franchises. The degree of rainbow melting pot wish fulfillment gay body positivity nonsense from Blizzard was bad enough for me.
>>739494702Games that are woke have no merits because any merit was sapped away by it.It's like saying "this dish has merit if you take away the lethal poison mixed into it"
>>739494776The fact that you put 40k instead of Warhammer Fantasy between two other fantasy settings pissed me off more than it should.
It's insane that this thread hasn't been removed yet. Especially when there are 4 other threads like it. The mod letting rpg shit slide needs to be canned because he's letting all sorts of abhorrent spam go uncontested. How many times has this retarded thread been made? There's no such thing as rpg discussion, it's all petty bait. The genre is simply not interesting enough for discussion, so it's all spam to push any other avenues for discussion out. And that's why every board these threads appear in gets slower and slower then dies.
>>739494871Well, I did tell you I never got into them so I don't know much about them.
>>739494837Well, by chud logic, you can prove that pretty much every game is woke, so you can’t talk about any game.Woke is like the swamp in DS3something that should be addressed, but isn’t the entire game.
>>739494415I genuinely don't care what people like that think.
>>739494837>food analogy
>>739494776>I'm glad I was never a fan of DnD, W40k, PathfinderDnD and its offshoots are inherently gay. Warhammer doesn't belong with them.
>>739495078In all gaming genres but particularly RPG, as heavily narrative driven as they are, woke is a poison that eats away at anything else the game might provide. That is not even to get into how the abilities of those who do peddle those beliefs are often compromised.>>739495145>No refutation
>it’s not ARPG just because it’s an rog with action >it’s not a JRPG just because it’s an rpg from Japan, and it MUST be turn based>it’s not a hacknslash, that’s j-action, -actually it’s character action, actually actually it’s Stylish Character ActionI see the same types of spergs claims they’re above sonic autism, yet seethe about non-verbal colloquial agreements.
>>739481367A lot of them are better than old CRPGs though
>>739495249>In all gaming genres but particularly RPG, as heavily narrative driven as they areSounds like you're at fault for choosing "narrative driven" games. You don't play anything else. You chose this genre because it's lazy, there's zero gatekeeping, and it's an excuse to gaslight people about politics online.You don't like video games at all.
>>739494415must be exhausting to fight that endless political fight. try enjoying video games instead
>>739495164>DnD and its offshoots are inherently gayThis. Every DnD autist i've met IRL turned out to be massive faggots. There's just something about DnD that attracts trannies and furries, maybe it's b/c they like larping as things they aren't.>Warhammer doesn't belong with them.I haven't seen this issue with Warhammer so i'll take your word
>>739495249KCD1 and most RPGs and AAA games have some liberal or woke elements because they have complex stories that feature multiple ideas and ideologies I guess they are unplayable now because of le woke
>>739495346I mistakenly assumed you could actually read, register and reply accordingly. What masquerades as an interest in knowing the reasoning of things is really just a hook to start flailing ineffectively at someone telling it how it is because you don't like them doing that.
>>739481367I just want 4 niggas in a row, with op equips, and grind to over level so I destroy everything, including extra/ hidden super bossesWhy is that so hard?
>>739493198Only Gortash and the Emperor are villains, and only Gortash is part of the Big 3 behind the Absolute.
>>739481490Neither extreme is good, at least at ghe upper end of the left. 10 flavors of doing the same damage is lame but so is "nuh uh my character is super special and he just instantly kills your level 9001 nuke resistant behemoth by vanishing its brain (lol zero defense except pure luck) and he's invisible and invincible and he can teleport behind you and and and and..."Ideally a wizard can, yes, deal multiple elements of damage but has some variety there like aoe, low power but true damage, high cast time expensive nuke, debuffs that debilitate the enemy, and maybe buffs that let him fight better. None of this testicular torsion memery where you can't dodge can't power through can't kill him first because he has a ward that causes you to sodomize yourself with your translocated femur if you ambush him etc. I'd rather have dbz screaming retard beam wars than the lame and dinky uncounterable yet lamely non flashy reality bending shit like teleporting your aorta outside your body with a wave of the hand.
>>739493667>"Philistine" became an English word for the crude and uneducated, meanwhile the Philistines were a highly cultured Greek-adjacent society.Fits the modern ones quite well though.
>>739493894It's actually "an eye for the value of an eye" i.e. what we'd now call a tort. Wasn't a dig at Hammurabi.
>>739495164>Warhammer doesn't belong with them.Hasn't Warhammer started retconning previous lore for more representation lately? That sounds like stage one rainbow infestation to me.
>>739495387I do enjoy video games.But not when they peddle hostile and subversive ideologies.Even then, I'm no craven requiring constant audiovisual stimuli in the form of button presses and hackneyed cutscenes to the point that I'll sabotage my own self-preservation and support those who wish to see me and everyone dear to me destroyed and will actively relay those messages through the media they create (or, more usually, co-opt).My life is worth more than a handful of overrated video games developed by mediocre and astroturfed studios.
>>739481509>>739481531I will forever hate the fact that arpg is somehow not an abbreviation of action role playing game. diablo slop (which are neither real action nor real rpgs) was a mistake.
>>739495793That's why you are seething video game threads
>>739495884I *am* seething video game threads?I have come to embody the very concept of seething video game threads.I've grown in power.
>>739481367Elden Sloppa is trash thoughHere in Russia we fucking HATE this gameLike we despise it with the full power of our souls
CRPGs have writing and interactivity ARPGs have good moment to moment gameplay WRPGs are jack of all trades master of none JRPGs have anime girls and... idk i don't play JRPGs
>>739495884seething in*
>90s>"video games are satanic and violent">00s>"video games are sexist">10s"video games are racist">20s"video games are woke"How does it feel becoming the very thing you always hated?
>>739496003JRPGs is what normalfags copy, then replace all of its soul with UE5 WEGslop asset flips, and then they pretend it's an unprecedented formula produced by true visionaries
Starting to feel like anons don't even know what woke means anymore
>>739496076Satanism is cool if 80s rockers are doing it, cause my dad liked them!
>>739495793try not thinking about politics. of course you find something to seethe about when looking for woke stuff
>>739481367/v/ & /vrpg/ can't define RPG and often resort to tranny logic.
>>739496089I can feel the hate for E33
>>739496076Damn, you literally did the thing.
a pox on all rpgs
>>739495784>Hasn't Warhammer started retconning previous lore for more representation lately? That sounds like stage one rainbow infestation to meYes, but Warhammer isn't inherently gay. It's just that GW's current CEO is a normie faggot suit that loves jewish money.
>>739481531>poe 2 I'm pretty sure that is a crpg, anon :)
>>739496210Never understood this image, is it really implying that you can't call someone bitching and moaning about niggers all day as annoying as a woman that bitches and moans about men all day?
>>739496203>The sky is blue>This is true>Grass is green>Yep>E33 copied JRPGs, then removed 'the icky' Japanese parts that normalfags pretend disgusts them and replaced them with 'realistic' preproduced assets in a premade engine known for a specific style.>heh, i can feel the hate ;)Hmh.
>>739481472Nobody asked you to name the most trash """"""rpg""""""" genre but if you must.
>>739496256DnD wasn't gay either well at least not the woke gay it was more of tom of Finland kinda gay
>>739481367I don't know about that, but I miss the days when Larian made different games and not just Divinity OS over and over again. Even if they were janky as fuck.>What if we took Diablo 2 but turned it into an actual RPG?>What if we make a semi-open world RPG where you can turn into a dragon at will?>What if we made a world conquering strategy game with politics, RTS gameplay, and you can turn into a dragon at will?Meanwhile:>What if we made Divine Divinity again...but turn based?>What if we made Original Sin..again?>What if we made Original Sin..but set in D&D world?>What if we made Original Sin..for a 4th time?
>>739496302>Never understood this image,We know.
>>739496076>90s>video games are based>00s>video games are based>10s>video games are based>20s>video games suck now.Idk, maybe just make good games again, retard.
>>739496307I mean don't get me wrong I also hate it for getting "indie" treatment and getting best rpg over KCD2
>>739496426ok
>>739496349>DnD wasn't gay eitherYes it was. It just wasn't as gay as it is today. That shit is built into its DNA.
>>739496439Got em.
>>739496256>>739496349Warcraft was never gay either. It was just a legally distinct Humans vs Orks copycat, then in WoW they started adding some humor such as Finkle Einhorn. Then the slow rot started and it's basically a pansy gay furry simulator now with many existing npcs raceswapped for diversity quotas.
>>739483407You mean thank millennials?
>>739481367technically they're all CRPGs since they're all playable on computers :)
>>739497058They aren't all RPGs.
>>739497143which one isn't an RPG
>>739484160>character action gamesnah, those are DMC like games
rpgs were always the gay non-gamer genre. they were always a laughing stock.
>>739497297Dmc is an Action game, like vanilla definition of the genre
>>739490745>4. Mockery of the Holy Inquisition and attempts to portray them negatively as insane fanaticsAs if this isn't the universally accepted history, even for Christians. Though it's mainly the Spanish Inquisition that gets the bad rap.
>>739485595Kek, so fucking this.
>>739497453> As if this isn't the universally accepted historyNo> even for ChristiansFuck noInquisition literally did nothing wrong
>>739481367There are good and bad cRPGs, good and bad action RPGs, good and bad WRPGs, and good and bad JRPGs. The only true blanket statements within RPGs that are true are that RTWP combat sucks (no exceptions) and RPGs trending towards becoming dating sims was the worst thing that happened to them.
>>739497667I'm perfectly willing to accept that high school history was wrong on this like it was wrong on some other topics, so... sauce?
>>739496542Thanks to you hes now going to post it in every thread for another decade. Thanks a lot.
>>739481490Like what? Tell me you think BG2 has good magic because of the number of spells so I can laugh. The only video game where magic genuinely feels fun is Dragon's Dogma.
>>739497778https://youtu.be/aEOfQg2SP4U
>>739497905I'm not giving your channel views. Use your words.
>>739497769>RTWP combat sucksI used to really believe this, but playing Rogue Trader, I really miss it for mopping up. Turn based really needs a way to more quickly resolve the battle once its been clearly won. Also single MMO like Xenoblade .hack and FF origins is the worst.
>>739481397This. >>739481446Also this. You can thank Bioware-slop for becoming the template for hacks like Owlkek and Larian.
>>739497836Because magic actually is magic in crpgs. They have utility uses and theres a wide variety of ways to play around with them. No other genre offers this except western crpgs
Real talk what's the difference between an Action game and an Action Adventure game?
>>739482786Wrong. Action RPGs from Falcom predate Blizzard garbage by many years. ARPG means action RPG like Dark Souls, and hack and slash means stuff like DMC, not Diablo. Blizzard games are terrible and irrelevant.
>>739498070Give examples. Specific games. Not blanket statements.
>>739481367the witcher goes straight into the tranny category but yeah
>>739498083Dark souls are action rpgElden ring is action adventure
>>739497803Why would I?Plus it's a meme that gets posted quite often as is. It's years old.
>>739498083>Action GameDMCBayoDarksidersGod of War 1-3>Action AdventureZeldaDark SoulsDragon's DogmaWitcherNu-God of War
>>739497186The A"RPGs". There is no meaningful distinction between an RPG with action elements and an Action game with RPG elements.
>>739498083It used to mean action games that have puzzle elements from adventure games, like zelda 1now it's meaningless. probably has more to do with adventure films, games with narrative bits or set pieces you'd see in Indiana Jones
>>739498160Baldurs gate, all three of them. Both pathfinder games and a couple of other crpgs. Its a niche genre, I'll admit (hopefully this changes with BG3s success )
>>739498294Isn't Darksiders an action adventure game? Or is that only the sequel
>>739498372Ill never understand how such hit games as Skyrim and BG3 haven't produced a ton of clones like Dark Souls. It actually pisses me off, id love Lies of P skyrim, FF Tactics BG3.
>>739498372>Baldurs gate, all three of them.>BG1 and 2>wide variety of ways to playAbsolutely fucking not.
Imagine being a Soulsfag and thinking you are a Chad
>>739498083>ActionReflex & skill based>Door is locked>Go kick that guy's ass>AdventureInductive reasoning game >Door is locked>Go find the key from the owner of the house>PuzzleDeductive reasoning game>Door is locked>Solve slide puzzle to open door
>Action gameMeaningless umbrella term for anything with Action>Chatacter Action game/Pure Action gameGames like DMC and Bayonetta>SoulslikeGames that specifically copy Fromsofts formula from Dark Souls, to BB, to Sekiro, to ER.>Action RPGMeaningless umbrella term for anything that has Action and RPG elements regardless of how shallow or different they are.>Isometric RPG/HacknSlashDiablo clones like Diablo/POE>CRPG"""Classic""" WRPGs that typically have a isometric pov and focus on classes, dialouge choices, are split up into acts, and have too many romance routes. Owlcst, Larian, Bioware, Underrail, classic Fallout, infinity engine games. Most from the 90s and early 2000s or modern indie games.>Open WorldAnything from Morrowind and modded Skyrim to slop like Assassin's Creed.
>>739498864>>Chatacter Action game/Pure Action game>Games like DMC and BayonettaFuck off with your reddit term. We called those hack and slash long before you infected this site.
>>739498425Darksiders 1 is more of a Zelda like2 (and especially 3) are action
>>739498505I think it has to do with the amount of effort it takes to make one of those games. A lot of effort, love, and time goes into making a game like baldurs gate or skyrim. Wheras to make a darksouls clone all you need to do is slap on a roll mechanic and throw in a boss that does your entire health bar in two swings.
>>739498514You ever play a wizard in it?
>>739499178Yes, which is why I know you're full of shit. Playing wizard involves tard wrangling your party to not walk into your webs and AoE damage while you cheese enemies from slightly out of their aggro range. There's no versatility, it's just differentiating single projectile, AoE or debuff. And no, casting a boilerplate set of buff and debuffs does not make the spell system complex, it just makes it tedious, repetitive and boring.
Problems with grouping and categorization are that they are never perfect.Even many scientific classifications are only there to make study easier and they ignore some exceptions. So it’s kind of impossible to do it for something as vague as Roleplaying video games
>>739499327Its a twenty year old game come on. Alot of the foundations for a game like BG3 were laid there
>>739499507>Its a twenty year old game come on.Don't care. People that claim it involves lots of ways to play as a caster are completely full of shit. The spells have almost no utility or meaningful differences. They're as basic as the JRPGs that infinity enginefags will regularly make fun of.>Alot of the foundations for a game like BG3 were laid thereNo, that was Larian's work and systems for games like Divinity.
>>739499136Skyrim, yea thats probably true. BG3 though, it was high effort but has a Solasta as a clone (that wasn't a clone becuase it came out first). Nobody called Solasta high effort but Id love way more of even that.
>>739499610RPGs are pain in the assi was trying to make text based minimal rpg using AI and you have to think about way too many variables just to have the most basic one without classes
>>739494702>>739495387I would rape you all to death if I could. Your kind aren't welcome here
>>739499756Thats why you go small. An rpg set on a small island with a couple of named NPCs. Go for quality and not quantity.
>>739481367are zoomies unironically self inserting as the chud meme now?
>>739499804Okay homo thinking fucking guys in the ass
>>739499804Simmer down faggot.
I used to like RPGs.Some things that have been added that I don't like, or once liked and now no longer do.Character / Party focus - mostly the interpersonal drama. This is something I mostly think of from JRPGs, but it's become much more of a WRPG thing now.Branching dialogue and story. I just plain don't like this. It's irritating because I'm very unlikely to play your game again. I'll just browse a wiki to find the optimal choice if I have to. This should stay in VNs.Romance, once used to think it was an ok addition, but now find it mostly detrimental.Trying to fit tabletop rules and design into something that just doesn't fit. It's very clear some game developers are just trying to ape tabletop and it's not a good result almost every time.Some rpgs too interested in balancing all the choices. Disparity between options is good. Sometimes I want things harder, sometimes I want things easier. Some times I want to go full meta power gamer. Balancing these makes a lot of choice just not matter.Overall, I don't like RPGs at all anymore and will avoid almost every time. The good news is they very often don't even appeal to me even when they catch my attention. I don't know what it is, but really don't have a coolness factor anymore.
>>739485563>The definitionThe definition of JRPG is Japanese role-playing, so elden ring should be with Final Fantasy and DragonQuest
>>739499872Imagine making a linear point and click game. It would take a lot of time and assetsNow imagine adding choicesevery choice multiplies the workload because you have to take it into consideration.That’s the issue with RPGs and the amount of content you have to make to make it feel like the player has real choices.That’s why pretty much no game actually has entirely different routes, because that would require them to make content for 2 or even 3 games in one, instead of just a few alternative endings and dialogue variations
>>739500095I always laugh at the choices dont matter Anons. I dont think they grasp how exponentially hard choices get. What Witcher 3 did was insane.
>>739481367>>739481397>>739481426>>739487018>witcher/dmc/souls are action games that are rpgs>arpgs is already claimed by poe/diablo type gameswhat the fuck do we do here?>call the 1st something like acrpgs or wrpgs (even though most are japanese)>let them be arpgs and rename current arpgs to diablo-likes or poelikesbros we have to solve this
>>739485462>SoulslopIt plays more ninja gaiden
>>739500086>so elden ring should be with Final Fantasy and DragonQuestCorrect. Those are all Japanese RPGs.
>>739500478>arpgs is already claimed by poe/diablo type gamesThose are hack'n'slash. Always were. Gothic, Witcher, Mass Effect were always aRPGs
>>739496314>Even mention JRPGs>Sends some schizo into a frothing rage every single timeI don't know. Sounds like a pretty chad genre to me.
>>739501156so its gaidenkino and not soulslop
>>739481367>I don't understand artistic mediums Life without an acknowledgement of art feel like it would be so shallow. What's left? Working and gooning until you die?
>>739501721other way around. DMC etc are hack and slash, diablo is arpg
>>739501808>Redditspacing
>>739502073DMC is slasherDiabloclones were always hack'n'slash since it's rpg term
>>739501578No
>>739481367I have not seen a single man who liked kingdom come deliverance 2 that wasn't LGBTQ
>>739489413t. unimaginative fighterfag
>>739483407this is a great example of poisoning the well
>>739483659>I am Russian, and I believe that the Baltics and Finland belong to Russia and should submit to Moscow, but I do not consider them Slavs. No one here considers them as such.If they're not Slavs, why should they submit to Moscow? Wouldn't it be better to be ruled by their own people?
>>739483407Where's the illustrated diagram that explains it?
>>739481472Cringe. I'm so sick of everyone on here pretending that JRPGs are good.
>>739483583A bunch of these are player characters someone made, the rest play such small roles i don't recognize all but one of them. Literally random town guards with two lines of dialog and billions must die.
>>739483407Where's the illustrated diagram so we can understand the difference?
>>739503682> Wouldn't it be better to be ruled by their own people?No. They are too stupid to be ruled by their own. They need us to keep the lights on>>739503906> A bunch of these are player characters someone madeShow at least 2 such examples
>>739484853You put the hair on the orc and now you're mad about it?
>>739504042>No. They are too stupid to be ruled by their own. They need us to keep the lights onSounds a lot like what Germanics said about Slavs a few decades back.
>>739481490Don't be so harsh on Modern Video Game Wizard, he also has Arcane Barrier(absorbs 90 damage) and Arcane Blink(moves 9 feet)
>>739504042Believe it'd be these.Even if I'm wrong I'd still accuse you of cherry picking these aren't major characters, its insane the obsessive thought processes of racists.
>>739504121And they were fucked up by us so hard that they've never recover
>>739504868That is Larkissa in a grove with bad lightning> these aren't major charactersThere are NO major characters in this game, anonEvery character is fucking useless and has no pointAnd more than half of them are gay, black, trans or some other woke shit
>>739505969What about the other one?You're wrong (hyperbole ik but still wrong) and if you were right, I wouldn't care. Fact is I just don't care about something trivial like that cause I'm not racist. Racism was the idiot joke on 4chan for the longest time and now real racists think they're welcome.
>>739505120>while they die outA problem they could easily solve by fucking.
>>739504868>>739506147Here is the other one> and if you were right, I wouldn't careYeah, because you are fucking woke tard and has an allergy for truth> Fact is I just don't care about something trivial like Facts, logic, statistics, reasons etcYou believe in your woke ideology because it replaced the true Faith for you
>>739483465disco elysium belongs at the top of the list because it is the most transparent in its desire to push communist ideals on the viewer
I don't understand how you can dislike JRPGs, but like WRPGs. WRPGs basically stole everything from JRPGs to make modern WRPGs.
>>739505969Weird how whoever made that collage universally picked images with bad lighting.
>>739506573Modern wrpgs but there's a massive difference between anything pre bg1 and a jrpg
>>739506284Fair enough i was wrong saying they were player characters.You caring the race of fictional characters is still insane. Call me woke it doesn't matter because none of your conclusions are accurate.
>>739506601Because the game has a terrible lightning despite no having day-nigh cycle in real timeDuoh
>this entire thread
>>739507094Anyone who cares about this shit should kill themselves. In both directions its inane to give a shit.
>>739481367trvth nvke
>>739507094Thank you for killing the site for me, /pol/faggot-kun.
>>739506573>WRPGs stole everything from JRPGsFucking weebs everybody.
What the fuck are all those letters in front of RPG supposed to mean? I get JRPG is Japanese or whatever but what's C? Canadian? Cambodian? A? Argentinian? Autistic?
>>739507614around the early 2000s after FF7 WRPGs stole everything to become more mainstream. BG2, PST all those "fan favorites" are tainted and they shit on JRPGs constantly.
>>739506573>WRPGs basically stole everything from JRPGs to make modern WRPGs.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizardry_(video_game_series)"JRPGs" are just Dragon Quest spinoffs, and DQ is japified Wizardry but significantly worse.
>>739507414>>739507503it always gets the discord trannies
>>739506782You are woke and retarded
>>739507414>JUST LET ME WIN, JUST SUBMIT CHUD, JUST FOLLOW WHAT I SAYnah
i want a remake of the entire rance series but as a crpg
>>739507414>the people trying to fuck up games with their shitty ideology and those who are against that are... totally the same. just stop rocking the boat and just consoom i'm tired of going out of my way to find places to discuss games only to find people discussing the game
>>739507414I'm not gonna lie to you, lad, you've been cooked. Roasted even.
>>739507685What did they steal and from which games did they steal?
Reminder that "CRPG" gaymes are for pornsick trannies.
>FAGGOT ZOOMER NIGGER NEWFAGGOT NU-/V/ POST
>>739508142>Baldur's Gate 2>Director's Reaction: BioWare director James Ohlen was "scared shitless" after playing FF7, realizing its party members and romances made the companions in the first Baldur's Gate look like "cardboard cutouts.">Design Shift: This competitive spark led the team to overhaul Baldur's Gate 2, adding personal narratives, romance options, and complex backstories for party members like Imoen and Jaheira. >Key Figures: Interplay producer Dermot Clarke and BioWare designer David Gaider were instrumental in adopting these JRPG-style character dynamics, which became a hallmark of BioWare's future titles. >Planescape: Torment>Open Influence: Unlike Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment openly credited Final Fantasy in its credits and manual for its design choices. >Specific Mechanics: The game adopted FF-style character-specific weapons (e.g., Dak'kon’s Karach blade), unique music for each companion, and dramatic, pause-based spell animations similar to FF7 and FF8. >Narrative Focus: The game mirrored FF’s emphasis on personal story over epic world-saving, giving every party member a deep, optional background storyline that developed over the course of the game.
>>739508189Are you one of those alphies that they mention in those polls, who are scared of sex in entertainment?
>>739500478>arpgs is already claimed by poe/diablo type games>what the fuck do we do here?We tell the Diablo tards to go fuck themselves. Those are hack n slash games.
>>739502073DMC is a character action game
>>739508189yeah bro im sure the girl on the left doesn't have tons of porn
>>739485197How is Nightsong evil? She's literally an Amazonian angel of a good Goddess who's only flaw is going over the top when killing wicked people who have personally caused her great pain.
>>739507931You are half right, you unironically are the same to me because you won't shut up about politics. Cornering your decision because you like or dislike inclusion is retarded. We used to care about gameplay and now its an army of politically obsessed knuckle draggers.>>739507834The only thing I want out of you is silence, if you had any non-political thoughts in your head I might want something else.
>>739508278You're bragging that they stole the party romances fromjrpgs? Isnt that the first thing you weebs cry about when BG3 comes up? Either way its kinda sad if thats it given that romance is like 1% ofthese crpgs (yes even BG3)
>>739508546Yeah the real reason BG3 sucks is not the bad romance, but the fact that it's based on fucking 5E, the most anti-fun TTRPG system ever devised by man
>>739508450>Porn in gameYesss, good, hecking wholesome and valid>Porn made by gooners online about a gameREEEE!! This is literal rape apologism, I will cut my penis off and stalk women in their single sex spaces!
>>739508526>you unironically are the same to me because you won't shut up about politics.Yes, if people won't stop ruining my games with their shitty destructive subversive politics, I will rail against that.
>>739481367Wasteland 3?
>>739508642>Porn in game>Yesss, good, hecking wholesome and validthanks for supporting the VN industry
>>739508546read more. they fundamentally changed WRPGs. how often did you have interpersonal drama between party members? how often did you even have companions that weren't made my you or were NPCs that joined for a short period and left (and you had no control)WRPGs are more like JRPGs from the 2000s on. Japan literally won the RPG battle.
>>7395086285e sucks because its extremely streamlined. Even so it it has much more variety then even the most complex JRPG.
Anyone have a recommendation for a good entry level babby's first CRPG?
>>739508801Everything you're describing could be found in DnD, which is also what your JRPGs ripped off in the first place. It really is crazy watching weebs to to claim DnD mechanics
>>739508645You're not railing against politics you're just bleeding from your ass that it's not your politics. None of this is discussion about games its 20 people calling shit woke and jerking each other off over it. The internet equivalent of bottom feeders consuming each others shit over and over.
>>739508903BG3 if you just want something with the biggest budget and prettiest presentationRogue Trader if you want sci-fi or like warhammer
>>739508903BG3. 5e isnt the most fun combat system but they knocked the reactivity out of the park.
>>739508903Baldurs Gate or Icewind DaleDont listen to this >>739509034 troon
>>739508832Nah JRPGs are mostly worse. 5E is bad because it does everything possible to neuter the player. The entire concentration mechanic should be thrown out, for example.
>>739506573not a single good game was ever made in AsiaThey cannot design gameplay, nor write anything. Their tranime artstyle sucks. There is no roleplaying in their games and gameplay is braindead and simplistic.
>>739508995Before the 2000s WRPG and JRPG actually had a categorical difference. Just as I described. Japan popularized the narrative focus, and party interpersonal drama. Afterward, you can't define one from the other because one gave up and followed the leader.
>>739508189>file already existsmy nigga
>>739509087>sometimes you get a class specific dialogue option that most of the time doesnt even have a unique answer>OH MY HECKING REACTIVITY!!!shill
>>739509087>This game is good because I can push people into le water and kill them instantlyFuck Larian and fuck you>>739508903Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
>>739509109>asks for baby's first entry level game>"erm here's some boomer shit from 20 years ago that was directly made for veterans of the genre"never change /v/
>>739509025>You're not railing against politicsI am doe.
>>739509119Yeah concentration sucks. The problem there is martials being whiny babies because their endgame fighters couldn't stand toe to toe with an endgame wizards. The sooner we realize that all classes aren't equal and stop trying to nerf everything into oblivion, the sooner we can go back to kino.
>>739509348>The problem there is martials being whiny babies because their endgame fighters couldn't stand toe to toe with an endgame wizards. I mean that was a problem in 3.5 yeah. The solution was not to neuter casters, but to give martials more shit.
>>739508903Dragon Age Origins is pretty good mid-ground between a real CRPG and cinematic experience instead of a game
>>739509205Baldurs Gate was literally made to be accessible to anybody, a child can beat it.
>>739509174You know that we still classify games as JRPGs till this day right? Meanwhile WRPGs are just called RPGS (hint: its because they're the standard)
>>739509280Congrats sister show em whose boss
>>739509181>ROLEPLAYING! IN MY ROLEPLAYING GAME!?!Fucking weebs. I guess it would've been better if they just took dialogue options away and had entire wikipedia articles scrawl by in the textbox amirite?
>>739509205It's babby's firstIt's entry level>But it's oldYou start from the beginning when people ask about serieses, why would genres be any different. Maybe he should try a Gold Box game instead.
>>739509174explains why JRPGs struggled in the 2000s too. Why play JRPG (Japan) when we can play JRPG (@Home)
>>739499603It's a lot more fun using spells to buff your party control enemies, and sometimes nuke others. Single character games(like dragons dogma) can never achieve the same satisfaction, because you only control one character and thus, you end up just spamming your highest damage single target spell over and over again.
>>This game is good because I can push people into le water and kill them instantlyExactly. The fact that you can't see the appeal here tells me that your testosterone boosting regiment isn't working.
>>739508903>~00sBaldur's Gate 2/Kotor>~10sDragon Age:Origins>~20sBaldur's Gate 3/Rogue Trader
>>739509746>using the push action is le high testosterone What?
>>739509410Martials don't need more shit though. You want to be le muscle man with sharp stick? Then be it but don't cry that you aren't stopping time or mentally dominating dragons.
>>739481565>gettingthat implies he was ever wearing one
>>739509847Why should a caster be able to do such nonsense?
>>739509847They should be ignoring time and physically dominating dragons
>>739509641That anons right. 5e is more beginner friendly then thw the classics. It also help that BG3 is much better presented and has much more reactivity then the older gamed . The maths autism shit from BG2 is not easy to get into.
>game is in the 'RPG' genre>doesn't actually give you the ability to create a character or make meaningful choiceshere's a super simple litmus test: if the protagonist is voiced, it isn't an RPG
>>739507094Read>>739494702
>>739510082BG3 has high fidelity but it looks like shit, and DOS barrelmancy is fucking retarded
>>739510082>lower numbers are betterwow so hard to figure out
>>739509576I know you think you've found a kindred self-mutilating spirit, but I'm actually a straight white male. :)And yes, I will.
>>739509813The fact that there is even a push option. I get it though, bugman. You are incapable of enjoying freedom.
>>739510087>If I cant be a freakshit woman its not a RPG!lol
>>739509883Because magic.>>739509934Physically dominating dragons I'll give you.
>>739510191yes
>>739498160>>739497836Arx FatalisArcanumDaggerfallGeneforge (if you consider making creatures magic)System Shock 2
>>739510127>It looks like shitCompared to CRPGs of old? Its a niche market man.>>739510134You seriously want to have this argument?
>>739510184Bald n Gay for Free doesnt even have a map, what freedom are you talking about? The freedom to make a different roll in the three or five pre determined encounters that actually accommodates the push gimmick? Because I cant think of a single fucking encounter after the Goblin camp and the forge where pushing matters.
>>739510398>Compared to CRPGs of old? Some of them yeah. BG3's artstyle is fucking horrible, cancelling its high fidelity. Arcanum blows it out of the water despite being technologically archaic.
>>739510191the most basic part of TTRPGs is character creation and video game RPGs are aping TTRPGsif they can't even do the most basic part and instead just hand you a character with a premade personality, appearance, voice and beliefs, then guess what? you're not roleplaying, you're just playinggetting to pick a different colored ending does not an RPG make
>>739510398>You seriously want to have this argument?Baldurs Gate was made so anybody, even with 0 experience in RPGs, could beat it. I have no idea what makes you think a Bioware game or its derivatives are in any way complicated.
I have Fromsoft fan fatigue
>>739510453>BG3 doesn't even have a mapWhat did he mean by this?>I cant think of anywhere except these two huge areas where pushing mattersYou're retarded. Its becoming clear to me now.
>>739510143>brings up race unprompted>too stupid to realizeSorry, I'll stop anymore would be cruel.
>>739510498TT is an entirely customisable and infinitely flexible medium. Video Games are predetermined so a predetermined character benefits them. Character creation does nothing for roleplaying and actually harms it because every option has to be turned into something generic to encompass all the options players have for their freakshit snowflake.
JRPGs won
>>739508526you lost, you will keep losing, your entire life will be nothing but loss and suffering defeat after defeat
>>739510548You aren't joking are you? You seriously believe that BG1 and 2 are more beginner friendly then 3?
>>739510643>What did he mean by this?In Baldurs Gate you can open a world map and travel wherever you want to go. Dos3 doesnt have that.>You're retarded. Its becoming clear to me now.Name one. Push only ever gets relevant in certain fights at the Goblin Camp or the Forge, literary a disingenuous EA gimmick.
>>739508278So FF7 turned BG from a series about adventure into a shitty melodramatic dating sim? I've always found the PS1 era Square games to be mostly overrated, but now I really hate all of them save a few standouts.>>739508903Fallout. Ignore anyone recommending Infinity Engine games. RTWP is fucking garbage, and anyone trying to sell it as some high IQ thing that simply filters people is a retard. Fallout is relatively short, doesn't have party management, and lets you play quickly and enjoy branching quests with multiple ways to do things. It's a great little microcosm of what cRPGs should be with the exception that the combat isn't very good, but that applies to pretty much any cRPG.
>>739510726Bro I was ten when I beat those games, I am sure you can manage too, its not difficult at all. Besides Dos3 is a completely different game and 5e slop has barely anything to do with RPGs anymore.
>>739510843>In Baldurs Gate you can open a world map and travel wherever you want to go. Dos3 doesnt have that.>>739510453>Bald n Gay for Free doesnt even have a map, what freedom are you talking about?You focking wot? Also are you trying to spin the fact that they added a situational mechanic as negative?
>>739510939>When I was tenYou're legitimately fucking retarded.
>>739510987k
>>739510720I definitely believe you care about video games now anon
>>739509690>It's a lot more fun using spells to buff your party control enemies, and sometimes nuke others.No it's not. Using the same buffs over and over again for almost every encounter is not fun, and every attack becoming a different color of the same nuke that does the same thing is not fun. Action games where attacks have actually effects like Dragon's Dogma are infinitely more fun because combat is more dynamic and emergent. Nothing in BG2 will ever come close to a pawn shooting an ice spike into a cyclops's eye to knock it down, then doing a charged heavy attack on it, or combining different spells like this where they naturally work together because there are actual physics and effects and one freezes them in place while the other launches them. Only profoundly retarded people think lots of different colored numbers going up or down are more fun than actual mechanical interactions.
>>739511064uhoh meltie
>>739511069>kpostingGrim. Let me let you in on a little secret. BG3 does have a map AND you are capable of teleporting to where you need to be on it.
>>739511175You cant be fucking serious.
>>739510087>RPG means the devs are talentless retards who think copying tabletop mechanics in a video game is a good ideaWrong. Tabletop is good because of player agency. Having a blank slate non-voiced main character is a stupid mechanical translation that doesn't work in video games because they're fundamentally different than tabletop games, and it offers none of the same role playing options as a tabletop game because in a video game you the player are not voicing the main character and having the world react to what you say.
>>739511101Im starting to think you havent played BG3 have you? There literally are environmental interactions and status interactions between spells. If you're going to go on a JRPG wanktrip, the least you could do is to actually know what the fuck you're speaking about
>>739511123>Its a twitchzoomieWe're reaching levels of grim only found in the abyssal depths
>>739511363>Im starting to think you havent played BG3 have you?And I'm starting to think you can't read, because the reply chain was about BG and BG2.
>>739510695Then at that point, there is no such thing as a video game RPG. Because something like Witcher or Mass Effect just has you playing as a guy. Just because they throw you a few dialogue options doesn't mean you actually get to make choices. At that point, there are Call of Duty games that could be considered RPGs, because they have 1-2 branching choices in the whole game. I love Armored Core 6, but it is not an RPG.
>>739511209https://youtu.be/vKWnW4lbzWk?si=luBLPSBSW3HBISNx
>>739511363>gaaaah if I make person wet then electricity is betterer!!!!revolutionary>>739511420???
>>739511101I have played dragons dogma 1 and 2, and I've played most CRPGS. I have to say that I find it more fun to set up spells between mages and clerics for different kinds of encounters, than just controlling the one character you do in action games.It's just a difference in taste and what you find enjoyable in video games.
>>739511478>Witcher or Mass Effect just has you playing as a guyYes, you are roleplaying as Geralt or Commander Shepard.
>>739511556That's cool, but most cRPGs have really bad combat with almost no reactivity or interactivity and combat is the worst part of them, and that includes games I love like Fallout. If a cRPG's combat is just buffs and debuffs and then nuking everything, or even worse, cheesing enemies, then it's boring. Interacting mechanics and skills are fun in both real time and turn based systems.
>>739487804>CRPG magic systems>fire mage>lightning mage>ice mage>earth mage
>>739484715>Mass effect>Hardcore>GrittyBut its actually more like old trek where the future is clean and humanity has their shit together and how they as a race try to carve a path for themselves in the galaxy. Its also a game about the rise and fall of civilizations but also about breaking the cycle of death and destruction.
>>739511101>one freezes them in place while the other launches them>Hold Person, Fireball; CRPG :|>Hold Person, Fireball; Action game :O
>>739511845Name a few mechanics that you would describe as "interactive" in a turned based game. From where I'm sitting it seems like you're more geared to playing games like DMC and God of War.
>>739511908>hit moving targets and freeze them in real time and then actually launch them into the air with an explosionGood>stop target from moving in between actions (no physics simulation) and then hit them with red magic damage (has no physical properties and just does fire damage)Boring>>739511968Larian games have them. Infinity Engine games do not.
>>739497836>The only video game where magic genuinely feels fun is Dragon's Dogma.The magic in Dragon's Dogma is literally just the "do damage but in red, do damage but in blue" shit. It is literally the "wizard" on the right in that image.
>>739512034>Larian games have them. Infinity Engine games do not.Fair enough. Seems like you might just be biased to newer games though as in two decade old games they were incapable of implementing interactivity of that level.
>>739512047>The magic in Dragon's Dogma is literally just the "do damage but in red, do damage but in blue" shit.Show me another game where I can use an ice block left over from a spell to trip to a large enemy.
>>739512047Who are you replying to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCtARsbRjzM
>>739511568No, you aren't. Somebody else made Geralt, wrote all his lines and somebody else recorded them. His appearance, backstory, tone, choices and relationships have all been decided for you. You cannot make any choices whatsoever. Compare that to something even as barebones as Morrowind. You get to decide appearance, race, class, skills, backstory, motivations, intentions, ideals, personality and there essentially are no pre-written lines because you just click a one word topic, where you just have to insert how you think your guy would pose the question. Even in that, where you can't decide differently on the main quest, the character creation part actually leaves room for roleplaying. You literally cannot roleplay as Geralt in the game, you are not acting out a role. At most, you puppet his body during combat and decide where he'll go. Everything outside of that is just him. Again, by that metric, you are roleplaying as Mason in CoD 7 because you get to choose how you shoot guys and when to throw grenades.
>>739512196>Seems like you might just be biased to newer gamesLike I said, I love Fallout. I just don't pretend it has great combat.
>>739512047Actionfags are retarded, if things aren't flashing all over the screen they can't enjoy it.
>>739512249>You get to decide appearance, race, class, skills, backstory, motivations, intentions, ideals, personality and there essentially are no pre-written lines because you just click a one word topic, where you just have to insert how you think your guy would pose the question.And as a result the story and setting suffer because the reincarnation of the Dunmer messiah can now be a retarded Khajit or Argonian girl because the game needs to account for every single option in the character creator with a one size fits all solution. Tabletop mechanics do not always translate into video games.
>>739512328>argument about complexity and unique nature of magic spells within games>"Haha yeah, actionfags just love their flashing colors!"I know you were really excited to post that webm and pretend to be smart, but you fundamentally missed the point of the argument.
>>739512205This is still you using a spell to control the enemy to set up a second spell for more damage
>>739512521You said>>739512047>The magic in Dragon's Dogma is literally just the "do damage but in red, do damage but in blue" shit.How is that true if only the blue magic can freeze enemies or leave things on the ground for them to slip on? That's a distinct mechanical effect that only applies to one spell type. How fucking stupid are you?
>>739512472So far your "complexivity" has boiled down to chaining a spell that holds in combination with a firewall, and the games physics engine recognizing that a peice of ice could cause a monster to stumble. Seems like RPGs may just not be your thing. GOW and DMC all allow you to do these things.
>>739512713The blue magic can debuff the enemy? I thought that was boring?
>>739512817>The blue magic can debuff the enemy?That's an impressive attempt at twisting words to hide the fact that you're objectively wrong. Are you jewish?
Kill all jakniggers.
>>739512734>GOW and DMC all allow you to do these things.Show me where you can make enemies slip on ice in DMC. I'll wait for a real answer.
>>739512910Is being frozen not a debuff?
>>739512713That wasn't my post, but the concept of elemental magic having one more property other than damage isn't really that novel. The engine being more complex than Baldur's gate 2's is a given, since there is 24 years between then. Newer crpgs as you probably already know, does the ice = slip thing as well.
>>739513002Sorry kike, but I'm not going to play along and let you redefine debuff as "anything negative that happens to the enemy" while also ignoring the fact that I said casting the same set of buffs and debuffs every fight is boring, and ice spells leaving things behind that can cause physics based falling of enemies that hit it is distinct from that. Now address this directly>>739512713>The magic in Dragon's Dogma is literally just the "do damage but in red, do damage but in blue" shit.>How is that true if only the blue magic can freeze enemies or leave things on the ground for them to slip on?or kill yourself. No more replies unless you can actually follow up on what you explicitly said.
>>739513117>but the concept of elemental magic having one more property other than damage isn't really that novel.Please list all the RPGs that let you do things like that and have them work with real simulated physics. For real time games I know of DMMM and DD, and for turn based there's Larian's stuff.
>>739512998https://youtu.be/ZBjozom4DQY?si=uvH6AgoIYG-MSXikIts not slipping exactly
>>739513302When did Dante become such a better man?
CRPGs won
