There is not enough functional differences between these two to keep them separate
>>739499654Ground is for burying your opponent alive. Rock is for tossing shit at your opponent. That's the difference
What are you even saying? Kitsuchi and Gaara use the same element?
>>739499654Rock represents actual stones and fossils.Ground represents the Earth. Things like sand, mud, clay, etc.This isn't rocket science
>>739500159they do btw
>>739500231Sediment doesn't include rocks? What is you even saying my nigga?
How many fully evolved Rock/Ground types are there anon? And no, Onix is not fully evolved.
Quad weaknesses are funny though.
I just want Aggron to lose his crippling earth and fighnting weakness.
>>739499654Ground is the earth you walk on. Rocks are non-metallic minerals. Not that hard.
>>739500392Golem, Rhyperior
I always found it redundant and stupid how basically all Rock were also Ground and all Grass were also Poison. At least in gen 1. Also all Ghost types were also Poison.
>>739500392Isn't it Golem, Rhydon, and that mole?
>>739500524Poison being a type is kinda lame all around.
>>739500386Do you look at a beach and go "wow look at all these rocks! Haha oh by the way I heard you call that snake poisonous actually it's venomous and the monster isn't named Frankenstein and did you know that dinosaurs aren't extinct They're just called birds now By the way we're all fish actually" if I ever met you in real life I would bash your head in with a rock to teach you the difference
>>739500454actually, rocks are pretty hard
>>739499654I think functionally they actually did a good job differentiating them. However, they also could've just had ground type only, and included rock/gem/etc related things with it, and no one would've thought anything about it. The differences in essence that people are bringing up ITT are fairly arbitrary.
>>739500454The soil trees feed on used to be rock. No, no... things can't evolve out of their clade.Soil IS rock.
>>739500524it's not like torterra learns sludge bomb
>>739500524There's less than you expect and they basically never return after gen oneGo ahead, try to name Rock/Ground types and Grass/Poison types that aren't Gen 1 right now without looking them up.
How come there isn't a Lava type?
>>739500392why does steelix look so fucking creepy, he looks like he wants to read me the communist manifesto and then bite off my penis
>>739500702Camerupt
Gold should be a type. It's natural occuring, unlike Steel. It makes more sense.
>>739499654>Rock>Strong Against: Flying, Bug, Ice, Fire>Ineffective Against: Steel, Ground, Fighting>Resists: Flying, Normal, Fire >Weak to: Fighting, Water, Ground, Grass, Steel>Ground>Strong Against:Fire, Steel, Rock, Electric, Poison>Ineffective Against:Bug, Grass, Flying>Weak to:Water, Grass, Ice>Resists:Rock, Electric, PoisonThey overlap on weaknesses and basically nothing else
>EVERYTHING MUST BE BALANCED AROUND A COMPETITIVE META
>>739500702Riftforce is about the only thing that makes Lava its own thing alongside Fire and Earth.
>>739499654There is when you think about it mechanicallyGround and rock are basically meant to be similar types but one is offensive and the other is defensiveOriginally pokemon were balanced in a more complex way and I think a lot of people don't understand the design of gen 1 in this wayFor example Pokemon were far more heavily defined by their move poolIn gen 1 rock only had 2 (bad) moves rock throw and rock slideGround got earthquake...
>>739500807Him, Heatran, Heatmore, Magmortar. Those all should be Lava type.
>>739500668Roselia
>>739500916I think steel was supposed to be metal. But I do like the idea of a type that only one pokemon has. Stellar doesn't count.
>>739500572Tons of things in nature are poisonous, it would be stupid for it not to be a type
>>739501013CoolGravity should be its own type too.
Rock typing usually feels like a detriment
>>739501112wWhat the fuck is stellar
>>739501112Steel kinda makes sense for pokemon that look man made, like swords and whatever the fuck metagross is supposed to be.But Metal should be its own type for more mineral/wild looking pokemon like Aggron and Skarmory
>>739500668Larvitar
>>739500668>Dude just memorize pokemonNoAnd my post was specifically about gen 1
>>739501051>rock slide>badIt's the one reason Rock type is sought after. Go tell the current champions meta the Rock Slide is bad, i dare you.
>>739501173>usuallyAlways, ngl.unless of course, you're Mega Aerodactyl in this new meta.That speed stat is fucking crazy ahah what the fuck were they thinking
>>739500668Go ahead and do a mental check for all 1000+ mons, no cheating don't you look them up!
>>739499654Thematic, you mean. Functionally they are almost opposites.
>>739501213A type made specifically to counter other pokemon using a regional gimmick.
>grass not plant type>steel not metal type>ground not earth type>flying not air type>fairy not light type
>>739501051Neither type is particularly defensive on its own. Ground only comes off that way because of its electric immunity, but being weak to water and ice definitely hurts it
Bird type should be a thing.
>>739500596embarrassing post
>>739500916By this logic Fire shouldn't be a type since it's not something tangible but the product of a chemical reaction.
>>739499654Rock attacks are essentially projectiles. Just don't ask me why Sandstorm is Rock type.
>>739501123https://elementsthegame.fandom.com/wiki/GravityIt was tried, but it all just amounted to "normal but big and heavy."
>>739501384fairy is fine, it's for gaymons
>>739499654There is, but Gen1 having ALL its non-unique rock representative be rock/ground forever fucked up the separation in people's mind.Onix and the Grolem line should have been Rock only and this stupid debate would have never existed.
Aggron should've been Steel/Dinosaur type. This would fix all my problems in life.Twist: dinosaur is strong aganst fighting (no human could win a boxing match against a dinosaur) and ground (dinosuars stomped the ground with their mighty weight better than any other animal species)
>>739499654The offensive differences are distinct enough. Rock is effective against flying, fire, bug, and ice. Ground, offensively, has poison, rock, fire, electric, and steel. The only similarity is fire.
Flying is still the weirdest type to me. It was basically designated as a secondary type until Gen VI with a one off legendary as tthe only pure Flying type.
Alien type: strong against everything, weak against everythingThis would fix all my problems in life.
>>739499654There are functional differences since Flying types are immune to one and weak to the other, among other things. There's not much thematic difference since dirt and rocks are close enough except one is bigger.
>>739499654It's Ground type, not Earth type. Ground moves are strictly related to the ground surface, while Rock are based on minerals. It makes more sense in Japanese with jimen and iwa, they are different concepts.
>>739501390>Neither type is particularly defensive on its own.but it's obvious GF intended to balance it that way with the way it designed rock and ground pokemonRock types are usually slow with high defGF used to balance things in a way less straightforward way before the phys/spe split using type, movepool, and stats
>>739501564Tornadus is gen V though
>rock + ground has insane coverage>they're all slow shitmons
>>739501564That's because Tornadus is a deity, it represents the act of flying.
>>739501703Give Aggron an ability to set trick room on switch.
>>739500596Based post
>>739501384>flying not air typeThey're meant to be animals not demigods.
>>739501703>insane coverage>gets absolutely fucked by the most common types, water, grass and fighting
>>739501173Rock is one of the strongest types it’s just most Rock Pokemon suck ass
>>739501874>grass>most commonThe other I agree but grass not even close
>>739501678I meant it only had a primary flying type starting Gen 6, discounting Tornadus in gen 5 as the only pure flyer. I didnt make that clear.
>The meanest, tankiest, ROCK/STEEL, dinosaur Pokémon when Rattata uses mud slap
>>739500497As you can tell, this leads room for creativity.
How is it the Rhyhorn line is the only Ground/Rock typing?
>>739499654Keeping them separate is more common than you think.
>>739499654>everything single game ever made: earth>pokémon: RoCk & gRoUnDI don't think this is really a topic worth talking about but yes it's pretty silly
>>739499654ground is immune to electric and rock isn't
>>739499654Correct. Also normal and fighting are also functionally the same but you're not ready for that conversation.
>pomemon that fly are called flying type rather than air type>pokemon that swim aren't called swimming type but rather water type
>>739500807fire/ground is such a cool pairing, and it's a shame it doesn't get used morea fair few romhacks seem to like making typhlosion fire/ground and he's always great to use in that way
>>739500668Yeah but no one whose opinion matter give a shit about whatever happen after Gen1.
>>739501934Ah, i see what you mean.
>>739502326Be appreciative the "Bird" type didn't make it in the final dex.Would have been much more restrictive design-wise than just "Flying".
>>739500524>Also all Ghost types were also PoisonAll Ghost types was literally just the Gengar line, AKA the only Ghost types in Gen 1, that and they's Poison specifically because they're made of poisonous gas.
>>739502245Are you saying you'd the same as Mike Tyson in a fight?
>>739502245Normal by it's own name is a terrible type. It way to broad and vague. It sound like it's type is the lack of an actually type. Like normal pokemon should just be a regular animal.
>>739500596Birds are based and deserve the title of dinosaur you little cocksucker.
>>739502623It's normal raw power, without any particular taint. Pure energy.
>>739502326So Gyarados should be Swimming/ Air?
>>739502801He should be Dragon/Fairy
>>739500751Looks like he wears red hats and votes republican
>>739502007>>739502245I think the issue with Pokemon types is that creature types and attack types draw from the same list. Then things like STAB and the desire for competitive balance results in tons of moves that are clearly just physical attacks being given types to make the type chart work.Like, there's nothing inherently "bug" about smacking someone with a giant horn. But Megahorn is bug-type because... they wanted Heracross to be good, I guess?
>>739499654Because there's a gameplay purpose to it. If there were we would have a steam intead of just water (and ice I guess), smoke intead of just fire, and wood instead of just grass.
there should only be 3 pokemon types, dragon, dinosaur, and bug
>>739501213In Gen 9, the gimmick is Terastal. Basically, you have the ability to change a Pokémon type. You can turn a Fire/Dragon Type into a Pure Water type. Stellar is is suppose to be a "new" type where a Pokemon basically have ALL of the types as one.
>>739502623>Like normal pokemon should just be a regular animalThey pretty much are.
Psychic need some help, this typing is just pure fucking shit nowadays.
>>739502648>deserve the title of dinosaurbased on what? there's very limited DNA evidence that links them to each other, just circumstantial evidence that isn't in any impressive quantity it's fine to be a birdfag, but it doesn't make birds any more cool or lame to just repeat midwit speculative anthropology
>>739502801It SHOULD be water dragon.But if we want to keep the types unchanged but just change the names of the types, it should be water air. And make ground earth while we're at it so all for classic elements can be represented.
>>739502245>>739502623>>739502758Yeah, Normal type is basically meant to be raw energy. That why you have moves like tri-attack being normal despite being able to burn, freeze, or paralyze, as well as weather ball changing it's type depending on the weather.
Water is the best type.
>>739501861By your logic, every Fire type is a god of fire, every Water type is a god of water and so on. The point is that a creature good at using Air Cutter isn't necessarily flying, but they do specialize in air type attacks. One of the Flying types is basically a manta ray. The word flying just isn't very descriptive.
Give me 300000 reasons why we shouldn't have an Alien type and why it shouldn't be strong against all types and weak against all types at the same time. Algo Psyduck and Golduck should be that type for absolutelly no reason.
>>739499654ground is the groundrock is just hard stuff
>>739503424Like my di..
>>739502801>>739503162Fun fact: just like how Gen 9 introduce Convergent pokemon that gave us Wiglett and Toedscool, in the game data file, the Magikarp line was going to get one as well and they were going to be Pure Dragon type.
>>739501874but it is insaneonly 7 mons and rock resistant levitators resist both
>>739499654>Fighting weakness >Electric nullification >One super effective against flying, the other can't touch at allI can see your argument to an extent, but some of the big differences are too big to consolidate
>>739503419Aliens are put under Fairy type for being associated with the moon/other worlds.Just like real life.
>>739503754Deoxys is psychic and Eternatus is Dragon/Poison though.
>>739503419it's stupid and no one would use them. It would come down to their base stats instead of typing, you may as well just make them ??? type instead.>>739503754>Aliens are put under Fairy type for being associated with the moon/other worlds.Elgyem line is psychic. Deoxys is psychic. Lunatone and Solrock, psychic.
>>739503914No one would use them? Deoxys would see usage now that he was strong against everything-
>>>/vp/
>>739500596Holy based
>>739500596nice
>>739503990>Deoxys would see usage now that he was strong against everything-but it's also weak against everything, one mudslap would fucking kill it, even if it were in defense form.
>>739503539This just proves that rock is the best type
>>739503990Deoxys isn't used because it has been playable in exactly 1 reg and it wasn't even used for tournaments>but smogonI don't play fanfic metas
>>739503539>toedscool>toedscruel when the fuck did those happen
>>739500596>if I ever met you in real life I would bash your head in with a rock*Sediment
>>739504312Scarlet/ Violet. Unironically the best-designed pokemon in the game.
>>739500447Shame that Mega Aggron is the only way.Pure steel type with Filter, just hate that it's tied to a mega.Also I don't like how the mega looks compared to the normal final evo.
>>739501252Metagross is the Antikythera.
>>739500159Isn't the particle ray just really fast moving sand?
>>739501112>supposed to be metalpretty sure it is Metal in japanese, no idea why they went with Steel instead, it isn't even less letters.
>>739500524>all Grass were also PoisonWell the there was an exception to that rule in Tanglea but who the fuck rememebers Tanglea?Even if I like the dumb guy, it's very forgettable.
>>739501912Similar problem Ice has, top tier offensive typing, but bad defensive typing, and yet they exclusively give it to slow defensive pokemon.
Pokemon types can be broken down into 4 different categories Elements: Forms of energy and materials that make up the natural world as we know it (Fire, Water, Ice, Ground, Grass, etc)Creatures: Categories of animals and creatures, fictional or otherwise (bugs, dragons, ghosts, fairies)Concepts: The hardest one to define, can think of them like properties we attribute to other things that only exist within the human mind (Normalcy, fighting ability. Psychic and Dark could arguably go in this category too, but they're kind of elements as well)Methods of Locomotion: The weirdest category of all because it's so specific and there's only one type in it, flying. Would probably make more sense if it were recategorized as an element like air or wind, or even a creature category like bird, but even those aren't fully accurate to what the type encompasses, so it kind of has to stand it's own weird little category.
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>>739499654there absolutely are enough functional differenceswhat you mean is there aren't enough thematic differences>functionallyGround - is a strong offensive type that has the benefit of being immune to the also very offensive type that is electric. Good to switch into those and pretty much do good damage to all other types except flyingRock - was once a defensive type that was important to handle normal types when they were strong. thats no longer the case and rock is more of a utility type that has strong attacking moves but is held back by most of those moves having lower accuracy >thematicallyit does seem that they are redundant to be separate but thats only because the most common rock types were dual types in gen 1 and it wasn't really clear what ground's theme was but there is a distinctionGround - more of a "beast" type for its earliest entries. Most of the early ground types were burrowing animals but its more like they're all the animals that would have been to unique to just call normal. (see sandslash, dugtrio, marrowack). if future gens ground would also encapsulate desert, clay or mud related pokemon Rock - in gen 1 most rock types were either elementals, fossils or pokemon meant to have a hard shell or skin. and this has been pretty consistent the gen 1 pokemon that were duel type were>the Golem lineGolem - is some kind of turtle monster so its a beast with a very very hard shell. Geodude and Graveler are elementals but are also meant to be burrowers Onyx - Honestly should have just been pure rock but i guess you can say it also burrows >Rhydon line - a beast that has very hard skin so yeah its not so much that they aren't really different enough to be 2 separate types, its just that their earliest examples were duel types
>>739501173Rock and ice are great for offense, liabilities for defense.However rock use to be better in gen 1 because the biggest bulk of moves were normal, so resisting normal was a huge boon
>>739504528Same thing with Plant = Grass. They're all plants, none of them have anything to do with actual grass.
>>739501995its weird that it happened twice
>>739505017>none of them have anything to do with actual grass.i will NOT tolerate this Oddish erasure.
>>739505103oddish is a radish
>>739503286>make mega feraligatr>make it gay
>>739504981water was always a problem for rock but it also really suffered when every pokemon got access to close combat and earthquake
>>739499654It's like BionicleSame way ice and water are separate
>>739500807why do people even like this retarded turtlle
If you had to exactly double the current type pool what would you add.
>>739505158it's a patch of grass with legs. you fell for the slave name the white man forced on it. its real (JP) name literally has grass (クサ) in it.
Says you.
>>739502007>getting rekt by a post made 12 seconds earlier
>>739505368abnormalwindwoodgassound
>>739505379but it looks like a radish with legs its based off a mandrake
>>739502374KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>739500524DONT YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT MY KINO ODDISH
Sound, Cosmic. Light, Shadow, Crystal, Tech, Nuclear, Wood, Steam, Plastic, Magnet, Chaos, Dream, Mythic, Acid, Gravity, Time, Glass
>>739499654The difference is that rock is fucking dogshit and ground is one of the best types in the game
>>739505814Rock is one of the best types for an attack but one of the worst types to have on a pokemon.I wouldn't say it's a dogshit type.
>>739505791Sound = NormalCosmic = PsychicLight = PsychicShadow = DarkCrystal = IceTech = ElectricNuclear = DragonWood = GrassSteam = WaterPlastic = NormalMagnet = ElectricChaos = PsychicDream = FairyMythic = FairyAcid = PoisonGravity = PsychicTime = PsychicGlass = IceYou didn't even fucking try lmao
>>739505767Fuck Oddish, this is a Gloom board!
>>739506234>Glass = Icethis nigga doesn't know what glass is.
>>739506234>Magnet = ElectricIsn't there someone you forgot to ask?
>>739506243whatever you say
>>739506424For me, it's weedy
>>739506459Weedy is peak Oddish. I have like 841 custom-animated Oddishes just to spread the good word about them.
>>739500524>Also all Ghost types were also PoisonYou fucking retard.
>>739505767How did you get this photo of me?
>>739505791>Sound,works better as a move typealso don't forget that before you think of a type, really think that it needs to encapsulate a physical and special side. i guess a physical sound type would be "drumming" but thats a stretch >Cosmic.already encapsulated with psychic, a type that is all about the occult, in which cosmic shit includes>Light,special fighting>Shadow,special dark>Crystal, already works as a subcategory of rocks>Tech,what kind of attacks would that even include>Nuclear,what would even be the point?>Wood,subcategory of grass is fine>Steam,we need something to take away from the overabundance of waters, but i just don't see many opportunities for pokemon and attack designs>Plastic,stupid>Magnet,electric/steel is fine>Chaos,stupid>Dreamstupid>Mythic,what do you think fairy is>Acidi like this idea as acid and poison are NOT similar at all, and acid as a concept includes of things in nature and can be extended to be thought as a "cleansing" type. like don't just think burning liquid, also think of lemons. >Gravity,stupid >Time,stupid>Glassincluded in rock
>>739500596It's Frankenstein.
>>739499654Same shit with Psychic and Fairy Type
>>739499654>ground: pokemon that live in caves, deserts, beaches, etc, and pokemon made of earthy substances generally found in soft form>rock: pokemon made of earthy substances that are generally found in hard formThat's the rule of thumb, with a few exceptions. Rock/Ground as a dual type is the one that's tricky, and we haven't had a new one in forever anyway
>>739506614Are you on your period?
>>739506740How are you so stupid?
>>739500392I always thought Rock/Ground was a super common dual type, but after gen 1, we pretty much stopped getting them. It's only Larvitar and Pupitar, who lose the ground type, and then Rhyperior, which is a gen 1 evo anyway.
>>739506459
>>739500497This goes out the window with moves though, they're oddly inconsistent; sand attack and sand tomb are ground type moves as you'd expect, but sandstorm is a rock type moveIt bugs me that rock is the type that gets buffs from sandstorm, and ground doesn't get anything besides no damage
>>739506731fairy was introduced for balance, it does cover themes already included with normal and psychic and now for some reason food based pokemonbut was necessary to handle dragonsas far as game balance is right now i can't think of any types that are oppressing but we need something to lessen the overabundance of normal types
>>739500454This is too Hard Man…
>>739506652Dream already exists in gen 4 and is usually related to psychic. Palkia also got water for time
>>739500545Excadrill is Steel/Ground
>>739501173Rock/Dark is a really bad type combination that's saved by Tyranitar knowing Sand Stream
>>739506332hw evolves into an electric type so it doesn't count
>>739499654Are the TCG types better?
>>739500435>Quad weaknesses You are like little baby, watch THIS!
>>739506872>fairy was introduced for balancewell they sure missed the mark on that one by a country mile. Fairy types are 10x the problem dragons were.
>>739499654Make rock weak to electric
>>739506961Excuse you?
>>739501648Yeah, well, whatever your notions of that were, Aerodactyl and Kabutops, both gen 1 rock Pokemon were neither particularly slow nor bulkyit's the same shit with Scyther and Pinsir being higher tier bugs available in gen 1. They weren't sticking to any particular archetype with types
>>739500668QUICK name 3000 pokemon right NOW!TIME'S UP GOOFBALL
>>739507034I don't see it. Before, every match was send out dragon and press outrage.
>>739507051Rocks do not conduct electricity.
>>739499654>we have like five ground/ghost types>still no rock/ghost type despite several candidatesWhy
>>739507015Fucking Parasect man.Give me a regional varient that saves the thing already.
>>739506424qrd
>>739500524Gamefreak should remake Kanto with the new types in mind BUT, redistribute each of the 151 to have more accurate typing. Like for exampleEkans/Arbok should be Poison/DarkVulpix/Ninetails should be Fire/GhostParas/Parasect should be Bug/Ghosthttps://youtu.be/uTD13Ihp5oY
>>739507192Parasect cannot be saved. Embrace comfy Oddish supremacy.
what if they made more slow, defensive rock and ice types?
>>739506652Neat, now share your 18 new types without repeating any of the ones I said
i used to think rock was immune to electric and i never used electric attacks on rock mons until i realized that's because early on nearly all rock mons were dual rock/ground
>>739507290gamefreak hire this man
>>739507328criticizing your types does not mean i want there to be more typesif you like these types as a concepts maybe that could work for your game
>>739507290they would never get used because those types have dog shit resistancesI kinda understand that types need those to distinguish between just being rock paper scissors but it gets boring after a while when all the good mons of one type are either fast sweeper or slow defense/stallinb4 avalugg (love that fat fuck)
>>739507238No, fuck you, I hate this.
>>739507290We do need more, but they're in good company
>>739507290I think they would have to balance it out by giving rock and ice more weaknesses. Electricity is pretty hot so ice should be weak to it too, and rock should become week to psychic because people sometimes say "dumb as a rock" as a metaphor to say someone is stupid, so that means rocks are stupid and should be weak to mental attacks.
>>739500596>Do you look at a beach and go "wow look at all these rocks!sometimes
>>739507436Alright then give us two new types, none of which I said.
>>739499654Rock os defensive.Ground is offensive.
>>739507445What an actual disappointment, hey let's make our slow ice and rock defensive type faster so it can't even work in trick room anymore!
>>739507484this man is cooking
>this thing kills dragons ok
>>739501173Rock just exists for stab stone edge and rock slide.
>>739507523Ground is offensive, Rock keeps fucking MISSING STONE EDGE
i love ice mons even tho they get shat on by so many types and offensively they're pretty pointless unless you're fighting dragons
>>739507541You don’t get it, that 10 extra attack changes everything. Now it can OHKO Mudsdale on crit with Icicle Crash!
>>739507697Articuno getting a random niche in gen 9 thanks to hail/snow changes was pretty nice.It was like playing Gen 1 all over again by spamming blizzard.Articuno is still my favourite of the legendary trio that they always seem to add in these games. I didn't care for the regional varient at all though.
>>739507719Actually looking at it, the fucking crab was able to get a better deal for trick room.I REALLY wish I knew what the fuck gamefreak thinks when ti comes to balance.
>>739507697because they kept making dogshit ice types. A speedy ice/fight type would destroy the game but they'll be another dozen slow, defensive kind before that happens
>>739507719Thank god, Mudsdale is the one pokemon I've always been concerned with. second only to Gogoat
>>739507065Kabutops and Omastar have high def and Kabutops isn't notably fast it's just slightly fast compared to other rock typesIt's also different because of they're (at the time) unique type combos and unique status as fossilmonsActually to this day rock/flying is still one of the rarest type combos because they're basically opposite typesIt's like a water/fire type so Aerodactyl is just an outlier
>>739499654>game design changeshehehe heheHEEHHEHHAAHHAhere is a cat that turns into a fuckbuddy. it is also a motorcycle.
>>739507440Too bad. Oddish is strong, while Paras is weak. Deal with it.
>>739499654Should have been combined and called earth type and grass should be called plant type since that makes a lot more sense thematically. Questions?
>>739507697Hint: Most Water pokemon can also learn ice attacks>t. swampert
>>739508069and steel should be metal and flying should be wind, right?
Let's not be disingenuous, everyone refers to "rocks with reduced granulometry" as soil.
>>739499654It's like saying that Ice and Water should be 1 type
>>739508134Yes to the first, no to the second.
>>739508000>ice/fightyou wanna add flying, fairy and psychic to ice's weaknesses?
>Literally one of the most efficient live formsHow would you buff bug type?
>>739499654If you’re fighting in a wide-open environment, how does Earthquake do any damage?
>>739508069>>739508134water should be fluid type, fire should be heat, electric should be plasmaand psychic should be called science type because god doesn't exist
>>739508209nobody gives a fuck about weaknesses when you're outspeeding and 1-2 shotting the whole game
>>739508234The mechanical waves travel through your body and do internal damage, like crushing bones or severing arteries
>>739508268what does psychic have to do with god
>>739500807>>739501064>lava type>list everything but the literal lava slug
>Ice bad*proceeds to sweep you with my Weavile*
>>739508432uh shut up
>>739508134No flying type is okay as it is since most flying pokemon are some type of winged creature. Steel being metal would make more sense especially if any pokemon in particular is said to be a specific type of metal. Some of the moves themselves like iron defense indicates a different type of metal entirely.
>>739508268>electric should be plasmaHow would their attacks even work? Do they increase their voltage? Wouldn't that just make them immune to other electric types and make them unable to target other Pokemon?
>>739508432Its psycience
>>739508554*mach punches you*
>>739508637
>>739508213>How would you buff bug type?make good bugs, they've done it before
>>739499654Agreed. Should be the Earth type.Same thing with bug and grass. At least until they make bug actually have decent mons past the midgame.
>>739508696I think all we got for good bugs are Pheromosa, Volcarona and Lokix?With some others randomly showing up to use sticky web.
>>739508213SE against fairy and resists fairy
>>739508572that's a good point
>>739508842Scizor was good for a while too.
>>739508842Aren't pinsir and heracross good? they even got megas
>>739508938>>739508951Oh how can I forget my boy Scizor and fucking Heracross?I can't speak for Pincer too much unfortunatly.
>>739500668Not that many. You had Larvitar, Pupitar and Rhyperior for Rock/Ground and the Budew and Foonguss lines for Grass/Poison.
>>739501451>Normal but big and heavyJust sounds like normal type. It already has a bunch fo big and heavy pokemon. The most threatening ones are all special walls with enough HP to survive physical hits from anything that isn't Fighting.Imo, we needed a Cosmic type for all the Psychich bullshit that is actually an alien or meteorite, and a Sound type. And they should be super effective or lose to shit that currently interacts with too few types. Like, I don't care about the logic, make Electric super effective against sound, but take super effective from cosmic. Uninteractive types beyond Normal are bad for the games.
>supposed to be a defensive type>50 zillion weaknesses
>they couldn't give pikachu a mega so they gave raichu two of them>they both look like pikachu anywaycan i assume they're both still somehow worse than a pikachu with a light ball
>>739507056The goyim knows.
>>739499654>Bones are Ground type, not Ghost>Birds are immune to throwing bones at them>Acid is poison>Steel is immune to acid>Birds flying into trees kills the tree>Most of the fire is implied to have some sort of internal fuel>Water beats it anyways, evaporation is never considered>But fire melting ice and turning it into water means fire beats ice>Electric resists steel, despite disrupting circuits with new conductive material being generally a very effective way to destroy electrical systems>Plants are weak to fire, despite plants and trees being more resistant to fire than animalsNone of the type interactions make any sense. They never have. Autists just don't know anything else.
>>739509391Even base Raichu is better than Pikameme
>>739507521i don't even think pokemon needs more typesits easy to list words, thats all you did without considering any actual aspect of pokemonif you want to see new types introduced you have to think about what pokemon is from a gameplay and thematic perspectivewhat does the game need?what themes deserve more specificity? sound is one of those types that seems like its a theme that deserves specificity but fails in what could work for gameplay i would think of types that could be necessary for gameplay but then thats harder to find what theme that could include. i would think psychic needs a boost since it kinda sucks right now or that something needs to be done with just how many damn water type pokemon there are but its hard to find what theme you could make but i will try to think of some types
>>739509391>so they gave raichu two of them>look this up>they're named X and Y despite not coming from Pokemon XY>they're literally in the shape of the letters X and YPut this shit out of its misery, good lord.
>>739499654I always thought rock types were immune to electricity for the longest time because in gen 1 practically all rock types were dual ground type.. mainly brook's two pokemon
>>739509494Only sensible post iit
>>739509391Raichu is already better than Pikachu by not needing the Light Ball and having better speed.
Basically all it comes down to is that Pokemon has to have types that cover the entire natural world plus some extra special rule of cool fantasy typesRock and ground have to be different because rocks (AKA minerals) aren't dirtSame with grass and bug and water and ice
>>739509598I only recently found this out too lol. Grass types being weak to phsyic too because so many were part poison. And ghosts and psychics being super effect against each other for gen 1
pokemon needs a reboot or rather to start exploring alt universes which have already been established in concept with no/little crossover. but gamefreak is too small indie company to have such ambition
Steel type is dumb, why isn't it called metal, iron, etc...?
>>739506787I'll take it as a yes. You clearly have sand in your vagina.
>>739509494ThisAdding more types without fixing the existing type balance just leads to bad types like Fairy being introduced. It was a cudgel to fix the meta, and wound up becoming the meta, not fixing it.And adding new, microscopic types that would have like 6 pokemon in them, that mostly just steals things from other types, doesn't help that balance either.
>>739509494>>739507521i already like the idea of an acid type but thats a word you listed so lets try>Mist type (this is different than steam!)there's already a separation between water and ice so why not. Mist Pokemon include animals known to hang around foggy places around the world. A few water types that aren't specifically aquatic can be switched here. and to extend the themes of "mist" you can also include steam and "mist-erious kinds of things. there's lots of legends of monsters that hide in the fog.from a gameplay perspective i would think that mist attacks would be utility based, its harder to think what it would feel like to be attacked by mist but maybe "mist fist", an alternative to sucker punch>Beast or Monster type Its a pokemon type based around monsters are purely violent. think of ogres or angry monsters from legends that only existed for destructionit already feels redundant since all pokemon are monsters but hear me out for a second. Its not like Dark type because Dark type are "evil" not violent and their attacks revolve around fucking with their opponent Fighting type pokemon love fighting but are all martial artists in some way, Beast type are that reckless counterpart their gameplay would be much more risk vs reward based attack and they would have lots of weaknesses but lots of strengths. kind of like ice type. it could also be a type that is weak to psychic pokemon since psychics ward off evil and are about self discipline. and also be a type that fairies are weak to so they are nerfedthe biggest issue with this type IS that it already covers a lot of themes pokemon in general covers but i don't think pokemon really tries to focus on "violence" as a theme usually
>>739507203Claude AI playing pokemon got its overlevelled starter Charizard/Charmeleon Blaze ko'd in Rock Tunnel. The next battle his Cut slave Oddish Leafy dodged Self-Destructing Graveler and legend was born. Next Claude's Oddish Blade beat rival's Venusaur by the opponent spamming Poison Powder and Blade Cutting 30 times. The final Claude's lvl 15 Oddish Weedy beat Victory Road's Pokemaniac's lvl 40 Lickitung.Claude's Oddishes are crazy.
>>739509790>pokemon needs [ideas that always flop].
>>739508268Science type does exist though.
>>739509801This is a pokémon thread, tranny
>>739499654>GroundBest pysical defensive type before gen 4 special splitNo physical weakness and a bunch of resists>RockBest physical offensive type befoer gen 4 hits almost everything for neutral and has 5 types effective>CombinedShit type combination a bunch of special weakness and 2 4x weakness to common types and overlap on the types you hit effective
>>739500524I saw something about how the poison type was originally meant to be the dark/evil type in the game. This is why Team Rocket mostly used these type of pokemon in the games and anime until the creation of dark type. In hindsight though its kind of dumb that a gang that is doing all sorts of criminal illegal activity would have this kind of a type preference in the pokemon they capture. But hey I guess its a kids game and you weren't supposed to think too much on this.
>>739509902>every alt universe or multiverse bs flopped
Poison's defensive coverages never made sense to me.It's resistant to Fighting because???It's weak to Ground and Psychic because??????It's not immune to itself because??????
>>739509857>mist and beastcan you give me some examples of each type? I'm thinking ursaluna and suicune
>>739500497so ground type is just dirt type
>>739507238oddish supremacy indeed
>>739510251>slop posterFuck off.
>>739499654let's be honest, the pokemon type system has been fucking awful since gen 1 and should have been reworked a long time agoit's impossible to remember about 75% of the matrixinstead, pokemon game design is still informed by a poorly thought out implementation quickly slapped together almost 40 years ago in the initial design document
>>739510059>It's resistant to Fighting because???Moving around makes poison spread faster. If you are ever poisoned, try to stay still>It's weak to Ground and Psychic because??????You can use your brains to come up with antidotes, and uhhhh I don't know why it's weak to ground.>It's not immune to itself because??????Poisonous animals are often not immune to their own poison. They have specialized organs to contain it, sometimes in parts that are only poison when they mix, but if they were to, say, bite or sting themselves they would die.
>>739509792
>>739509420I realy don't get why they specifically made water and ice interact as well. There is no logic with water specifically resisting ice but not vice-versa other than tbey felt like Ice deserved to suffer against one of the most versatile and common types. If they BOTH resisted each other, there would at least be some degree of status becoming relevant where Ice gets an advantage from its support moves. Instead Water just kills it.
>>739509713Wind and birds are different, but both are just Flying.Bugs and crabs are different, both are just Bug.Dirt, mud, clay, and bones are different, all are just ground.Why are water and ice different, but water and steam are the same? Why are psychic abilities, magic, aliens, a few robots, emotions, and a big sea dwelling storm dragon all Psychic?Why are both Fighting and Bug "heroic", shouldn't there just be a Hero type? How can a Fighting type be heroic if it's an asshole? Why is Dark both literal darkness and sneaky, cheaty behavior? Why is biting Dark when half the things that have it are fucking dogs, cats, crocodiles, ect? Is Tyranitar composed of literal darkness, or is it sneaky/cheaty?Why are literal blocks of ice, and animals that live in cold environments the same? Why are snakes and piles of sludge the same type? Why is light Steel sometimes, Fairy other times, Rock other times, Grass other times, and Psychic other times?Why is punching someone Fighting, but punching someone hard is Normal? How come punching a rock is effective, but punching a rock harder is ineffective? How come closing pincers on someone is normal, but closing pincers on someone and keeping it closed is water?How come throwing a rock kills a bird, but throwing a bone does nothing?
>>739510301mad that watching an AI stream got users to draw OC? kek
>flying type>no swimming type, walking type, slithering type, crawling type, floating type, jumping type, rolling type, swinging type, teleporting type, stationary type, surfing type
>>739510361Poison is not immune to poison, but is immune to poisoning, including from toxins and pollution.
>>739510301>Complaining about Claude>With Weedy no lessNeck yourself
>>739502245Normal is supposed to be Pokemon equivalent to your standard rpg non-elemental type that exists outside of the standard element rock-paper-scissors, think Almighty from SMT/Persona or Free from Digimon. Not weak to or strong against anything, except Normal type is a weird because it DOES interact of the typing chart
>>739500596Owned that dork
>>739510251indica. in da couch.
>>739500497soulless artstyle
>>739510301Based
>>739510051Pokemon already had alt universes anyways. Gen 6 and 8 are explicitly not in the same continuity as a 1 through 5, as the villains show up in their altered designs in the Rainbow Rocket section, after ORAS and Sun/Moon had previously established to be in the same one.
>>739510301>Complains, yet cannot do betterSad. You need more love. Pic related: me giving all my love to you so you can stop being such a miserable piece of shit.
>>739500702Having separate Lava and Magma elements was already copyrighted by Gormiti
>>739500596Powerful post
>>739507192paras split evo soon
>>739506984Yes if we are talking about only the classic 7 types
>>739499654*blocks your path*the strongest
>>739509857i also forgot, a "beast/monster" type as pure violence type could also include pokemon specifically based around weapons so in a way "nuclear" can also be thought as a theme for this type>>739510083Mist Pokemon are Pokemon that would hang around marshes, coasts, or any place where fog is common. you could haveGolduckLaprasSuicunePelipperMasquerainSeismitoadSwanna>Beast/Monster/Destructive or whatever word works for this themeOctillery TyranitarExploudRampardosHaxorusGuzzlordMorpekoi do like the idea of Blood Moon Ursaluna being this type, it could be a type that is mostly alternative versions of Pokemon
>>739509918Someone clean this woman's vagina immediately
Steel, rock, electric, normal, and dark are all shit types that need to be reimagined and fixed.
>>739511921your face needs to be reimagined and fixed
>>739510973It's ok to admit when you don't know what soulless means, anon.
I'm honestly surprised Pokemon hasn't moved to having separate offensive and defensive types. Several of the types clearly only work one way or the other, and several of the interactions are clearly envisioned as being one way or the other.Guess that would be too complicated for the 4 year olds the game is intended to be played by, though
>>739512219they probably havent done it because it would be a fucking shit idea.
Gen 1 to 3 was totally different back then.
>>739512351Ghost being physical and dark being special always seemed odd to me.
>>739512285Better than having shit like a steel attack that's just headbutting someone, though.
>>739512609wrong.
>>739512841I think you're just actually the intended audience for this, so, you know what, you're right.
>>739501451Oh shit is this game still alive?I played when people were discovering rainbow was the meta and you'd run those towers that gave you 3 random element resources a turn.
>>739512958you had a retarded idea and your main argument to defend it was "iron head bad" without any explanation whatsoever.
>>739513062No, no, I totally agree with you, this is exactly what the intended audience for Pokemon can be trusted to understand
>>739505393Earth and Stone shouldn't have been separate either. Retarded move.
>>739513171>running after shitting your diaper
>>739500596in between based and cringe post.
>>739508432Both are imaginary
>>739506984No, because having my Electric Pokemon weak to Fighting types (Mega Lucario EX) is annoying as fuck
I used to not care about he rock/ground split but getting back into pokemon i get the rock theming is different from ground but it's honestly close enough that if it never existed int he first place basically no one would care
>>739500497Rock type = Ground but in bigger chunksGround type = Rock but in smaller chunksLame!
>>739512351The new symbols for the types are so bad
>>739499654When I get a boner I'm rock hard but never ground hard
>>739503162>It SHOULD be water dragon.Hey, Water/Flying is pretty good too, except, you know... THUNDERBOLT
>>739499654>a mountain is the same as a desertFigure out why your IQ is nigger tier.
>>739506864rock needs all the help in can get desuthe disparity between hail/ice and the other weathers is what gets metho the frostbite/snow stuff is actually a pretty good change in that direction especially from a newer game
>>739500071>pick up ground>it becomes rockyeah, we really needed two distinct types for this. pocket monsters are so fucking lame just let the franchise die.
>>739500392I wish Steelix was good.
>>739513954I'm kinda surprised they didn't keep the Legends frostbite and instead just kept/nerfed freeze when it was already extremely rare to see and just as cancerous as sleepBut I guess they thought special attacks had it bad enough already, I dunno
>>739500596
>>739503148We literally have the transitional fossils.
>>739512437>dark as a special type>dark moves in gen 2: beat up, bite, crunch, feint attack, pursuit, thiefextremely weird decision
>>739508683>>739508637>>739508554I want you two (or three) to know that this exchange improved my day. Thanks guys.
>>739500596A bit dramatic, but I appreciate the sediment.
>>739514064>throw rock at bird>it should be immune to it because its a ground type attackthis is what you sound like
>>739514859>bird is standing on the ground >immune to a mud shot anywaysIt's bullshit
>>739500524Gen 1 really had a hard on for poison typing
>>739500596Can someone PLEASE put me in the screencap of this INTERNET MURDER?
>>739514990Sorry you feel that way
>>739500596Based
>>739499654Types have always had retarded things since day one. Look no further than what type of damage Ghost was.
>>739510973Antiboomer artsyle
>>739509739>ghost attacks are bugged to have no effect against psychic type in gen 1>night shade deals static damage that wouldn't get 2x'd even if it did work >all ghost types are dual with poisonGen 1 was made by Alakazam himself.
>>739506234>Nuclear = DragonHe definitely tried you don't have to lie just because you don't like it
>>739510251She was robbed, fucking Rage ignoring cheating ass fat retard
>>739500497>golems are found in the USA analogue region Those fucking Japanese bastards.
>>739499654Rock is characterised by hard things. Rock-hard flesh defending against attacks, sharp splinters cutting and heavy objects dealing blunt damage, and so on. It's also the type of choice for most "ancient" monsters, with fossil Pokemon being revived from stone fossils and prehistoric monsters being defined as more rugged and for the lack of a better word "sturdy" than contemporary lifeforms.Ground is the more traditional "earth element" type that covers most things you would associate with that concept. Monsters that live in, utilise, or embody the soil.Hope this helps.
>>739499654>tfw groudon is earth type instead of fire/earthThey tried to fix it with the omega form but it sucks
>>739501384Now imagine if they actually went with Bird type.
>>739499654spoken like someone who's never dug a hole in the ground and hit a rock
>wtf bros ice is just water!!!
>>739517441
>>739500596Premeditated murderLol he mad
>>739510361Using earth to leach out toxins is a millennia-old trope with some limited IRL accuracy. In short, it absorbs and neutralizes poison.
This thread made me think up what a new type system could look like for a new monster-taming game (or maybe adapting Pokemon into it), tell me what you think
Ground rocks your opponent and rocks ground them. It's simple.
>>739512983I randomly played that game like 2 years ago when I downloaded a bunch of flash games. I was astonished by the amount of grind you had to do to get more cards or whatever.It did have soul, however. No idea about online play.
Recommend me an obscure monster catching game that is not pokemon, digimon, palworld or smt.Preferably not a pokemon clone.
>>739519924I feel like the element/class system has less interplay than the dual-types of pokemon. A water/ground pokemon being 4x weak to grass makes sense, as those are the interactions between the three types. Once you add classes there's no longer as much texture to the fact that fire is good against nature and decay because a monster will only ever have one of those types at a time. It flattens the system.
>>739520513I didn't like the endgame of Monster Sanctuary but parts of it are cool. I've also had https://store.steampowered.com/app/1886210/Mirrored_Soul/ installed for months after hearing good things about it, but I keep playing other shit instead.
>>739520831I do say in the notes that there definitely still could be dual-elements or maybe dual classes for creatures. I think it's tight enough to where you don't need to memorize stupid arbitrary things like in Pokemon's but also complex/interesting enough to have a lot of fun, yet constrained design space to explore
>>739520910I already played monster sanctuary. >Mirrored SoulI remember that game being the project of some /v/ anon, I might check it out.
>>739505283It's a llama you uncultured swine
>>739520513The virus farm minigame in Megaman Battle Network 3.
>>739519924It's basically a side step where everything is just multitype you're using two different ways to call types out more or less, but because the classes type dictates form factor, you're limiting yourself a lot in design concept since you only really have one knob to twist at that point to drive design in element.This ends up resulting in a system that is going to end up carrying a lot of the same baggage as more modern pokemon games where everything is multi type, but your designs will be less inspired because you are only picking a form factor and then a type to build around.In a smaller roster this can work, but you're going to struggle developing designs which is where every monster collector game tends to fail. Making good memorable designs that resonate with people is tough and people also over-complicate things which further stresses it.Design is the most important thing to grab people. Battle system and story are important, however the characters are what get people in the door.
>>739516743Ghost should have been changed to special and dark should have been physical. That would have certainly fixed some issues before gen 4.Wish there was a GUI based tool to mod gen 2 like there is for gen 3.
>>739502801gyarados should have been water/dragon, in exchange magikarp would evolve at level 50your reward for carrying a shitmon through the game is one of the best type combos at the time
>>739519924how will colorblind people tell the elements apart?
>>739501384>>739501564>>739502326>>739510697Flying type was supposed to be more of a "bird" type, this can be seen with moves from gen 1 like Peck. That's why it's effective against bug and grass types, since birds eat bugs and plants, and why it's weak to rock (Killing 2 birds with 1 stone).
>>739523046They could just have labels for the element but pattern overlays on top of the class icon could work too
>>739523217Not necessarily. peck is a flying move thats only given to birdlike flying types.Same way you only get horn drill on pokemen with horns.Aerodactyl as an example doesnt learn peck.Also japanese are probably not aware of that idiom.
>>739520513Beast taming is only a small part of the game, but Troubleshooter: Abandoned Children has it, and it goes pretty well with the character building system.Each element type and each beast type have access to unique masteries (the game's version of skills/perks) so each elemental beast combination can be built in a different way.
>>739519924Might be better if Classes determined base resistances and elements were just an additional modifier on that. Maybe that'd be too hard to keep track of.
>>739510661>muh oh see. Muh oh seeNothing makes me believe all that is forced more than the fact shills ram it down peoples throats as a positive like its organic. No other cult classics do this, which leads me to believe it was all unorganically comissioned. And the amount of butthurt calling it aislop generates by shills only proves the point>you arent ALLOWED to hate it!get bent niggerfaggot
>>739523814I'm thinking like, elemental weaknesses/resistances deal 1.5x/0.5x~ damage, class weaknesses/resistance do 1.25x/0.75x~ damage, so there's less emphasis on knowing class matchups in comparison to element ones but it can still help you out.I'm not sure if there'd be total immunities still, they seemed kind of lame. I think Pokemon's type system feels overbearing sometimes so I wouldn't want it to totally define the game.I think having a mental model of classes/elements and their effectiveness would be easier if there's two different, smaller, tighter grids to think about than one weird big one
>>739499654I agree, personally I'd cut the Rock type entirely and make Ground everything Rock previously was. They won't do it because they're Gen 1 types but if they did:>Offensively Ground is now weak against Grass and Fighting, neutral against Bug (and everything not listed), Super Effective against Electric, Fire, Poison and Steel. Flying is still immune to it.>Flying needs a new weakness since it lost Rock, make it weak to Steel I guess>Defensively it's weak to Water, Grass and Ice and strong against Poison, Fire and immune to Electric.
>fantasy elementsFire, Water, Ice, Poison, Electric, Psychic>specific kinds of flora/faunaGrass, Bug>fantasy creaturesDragon, Fairy, Ghost>materialsRock, Ground, Steel>behaviorsFlying, Fighting, Dark ("Evil" in Japanese)>whatever the fuckNormal, Stellarwhat were tajiri and masuda smoking...
>>739519924Ragnarok Online uses element+race.Its not as interesting as Pokemon.
>>739525586Stellar isn't really a type it's just a meme game mechanic that barely did anything.
playing platinum nowwhen do i get to marry dawn?
>>739526794when you switch to romhacks
>>739526794After I'm done matting pressing her.
>>739526794Sorry, I already married her.
>>739526885REAL?>>739527004>>739527020fuck off
fighting side by side with my futurepokewife Dawn
>>739504510Particle style jutsu is a combination of earth, wind, and fire. That's part of what makes it so strong, even the best ninja can usually only use two elements at once.
>>739527290It is not visible because of the pixel art style but my cum is dripping from her panties.
>>739527460It is not visible because you're delusional, and, very likely, schizophrenic.
>>739527602I got Dawn on 4, 10 minutes before you met her there.
I'm going to name this Butterfree after my future pokewife Dawn
>>739527787based butterfree enjoyer
>>739527787You will name her cumdumpster?
>>739527838I also found this shiny weedle.A gift to my future pokewife Dawn.Hmm. Yes.
>>739527290if the typhlosion files are right, dawn is actually a pastpokewife.
>>739508213Stop giving them low as fuck BSTs
>>739529390Bugs are IRL weak so their stats should be low.
>>739508213I think gamefreak completely forgotten about Paras
>>739529669bugs are "weak" because they are 100x smaller than animalsif they're the same size then they are 100x stronger
>>739529805nobody wants to see a human sized bug. Look at Heracross.
>>739525586>we'll never have a dragon/bug type
>>739529805Bugs can't be big because they are weak.
>>739529896>>739530047Can STEMlets stop replying to me? Thanks.
what the fuck
>>739530084You can't stop me because you are weak, like a bug.
>grass type also includes bushes, trees, mushrooms, algae
>>739530170a house centipede will crawl in your ear when you sleep tonight
>>739530248>it's-alive-but-it-ain't-moving type
>>739499654Why doesn't rock resist bat-dick-ass-shit? Not even ice or bug which would be absurdly useful
>>739523841>No other cult classics do thisNo other game gets OC anymo0re period. The fact that you can't even remember what genuine OC was like tells me you've either forgotten in your dementia or you're underage
>>739530251lewd
>>739530308Nine Sols still gets a decent amount. I think the bigger issue is few games get enough traction to have an actual community because any earnestness and consistency gets shat on
>>739530283Behold, a Grass type!
>play romhack that expands catch pool to include multiple generations of pokemon>mostly catch and train gen 1Is it just me? the genwonner?
>>739530441
>>739530485Definitely just you. Pokerogue was my first introduction to a lot of the nu-mons and I still had fun checking out creatures I'd never seen before. I like the ice tiger, chin-something.
>>739499654Yeah there is. One is dogshit, one is good.Hope this helps.
>>739530316There are no bugs in my house because they are too weak to get past the poison.
>>739530684Hint: it's the one that cucks pikatroonfags
>>739513662facts
greetings, /v/
Ground-Rock-SteelGrass-Bug-PoisonIce-WaterGhost-Psychic-DarkFight-Normal-FlyingFire-ElectricDragon-FairyMost of the typings have a pairing or pairings.
>>739530251pretty sure one did recently, my left is fucking leaking and itching when I wake up every morning now
>>739507290holy
>>739508842Lokix is an absolute unit and I liked what they did with him in the Pokemon anime. What a beast.
>>739530935>Ice - water>Fire - electricwe need new types to match these up
>>739500497Ground is generally for habitat and manmade objects. Rock-types have bodies (at least partially) made of minerals.
I want to build a golem but it feels like a major troll wtf is this ground+rock bullshit anything can just spit on it and kill it
>>739520513Yarimon Master
Have there been any documented cases of humans (read: psychos) conducting chinese water torture on rock pokemon?
>>739507192Which way, Regional Paras/Parasect?>a fully grown Paras that is happy and has flowers growing on its back>a completely different creature with a giant mushroom on it
>>739508696You have no idea how bad i want to fuck this bug.Such thickness, softness, so plump and inviting, fuck i'm hard just thinking about it.
this thread is the perfect example of why there is a containment board for these specimens
>>739531340Why does Golem have only 45 speedLiterally all it does is roll around fast as shit
>>739531652Shockingly, they discuss videogames far too much. Can't have that here.
>>739531223Snow could work for Ice and Water, Water could be weak against it or Snow could resist Water and Ice both. For Fire and Electric, Light in the actual sense. Light energy.Flying can get Wind or Air for non-winged Pokemon.
>>739531787vikavolt apparenly flies around at mach speed. its as fast as golem.
>>739531570Both, split evolution.>level up paras while *new pokemon* is in the party>paras evolves into bug/whatever>new pokmeon evolves into whatever/grass
>first form design is better than final form designmany such cases
>>739525586It's more like>Anything not special/magical on its own. Pretty common shit.Normal>Originally Birds, but mostly for creatures that attain the ability to fly by mechanical forceFlying>Fundamental factors that involved Tajiri's adventuresGrass (in his iteration, they are mainly dangerous ones to be wary about), Bugs (the core concept of what a pokemon is relies on the idea that bugs "Evolve" and that you could put different species of beetles to fight)>Elements of Nature/Natural PhenomenaFire, Water, Electric, Ice, Rock, Ground>Things that would harm kids that don't pay attention or pollute naturePoison (either venoms or toxins and whatnot)>Metaphysical ConceptsFight (Body), Psychic (Mind), Ghost (Soul)>Fantasy beyond realityDragons (Kaiju type body pokemon that also can master all other Natural elements. This was the original concept before types were even a thing).Dark and Steel were later added for balance against the super powerful Psychic Type, but Dark is just another state of the mind. Steel is more ambiguous in category as it isn't man made but also not just 100% mineral and Bugs got it as early as Gen 2, in this fiction steel is more like a very specialized exoesqueleton that anything can develop (Bugs always get some interesting evolution gimmicks in all gens, they at least respect that to this day). Fairy was another addition for balance and it would fall into Fantasy beyond reality in my opinion as it's the check to Dragons, something not even Ice (as a defensive type) could achieve.
>>739532775>one shots you with water gun or vine whipmany such cases
>>739532775True, but I still like Rhyperiors design.
>>739523710does it have some monsters with big breasts?
>>739533051no, but it has human girls with big breasts
From a game balance perspective they kinda need to be seperate. Ground is far more offensive but rock is more defensive, having resistance to fire poison and normal is very helpful and allows you to switch in against a lot of threats. But ground being able to hit steel and poison types with super effective damage is also very helpful because those types often have high defense stats. Pokemon makes more sense when you stop thinking about types for what concepts they represent and instead focus more on what roles they are supposed to play on a team. You get a rock type when you need a physical wall, you get a ground type when you need to do a fuckload of damage.
>>739520513fuck you play a romhack of pure red blue green or polished crystal.
>>739499654Rock should resist Ghost and has always been an irritant of mine.
>>739510301Faggot
>>739533167dang it. might try it for that invernurable man walking vid i seen
>>739533361But Ground is a better physical wall than Rock.
>>739533704Boy are you going to love the purifying salt line that does exactly that.
>>739523558exception that proves the rule
>>739533704rock and steel should resist ghost but then the other mon will be stronger
>ElementalFire,Electric,Water,Ice,Grass,Rock,Ground,Steel,Poison>SupernaturalPsychic,Ghost,Fairy>CreatureBug,Dragon>OtherDark,Normal,Flying,Fighting
>>739534313>>Creature>Bug,Dragonthis is why i think a bug/dragon type hasn't been done yet
Grounds STAYS on the ground (can't hit flying) because it's sediment while rock is solid object that can be thrown for damage. This density leads rock types to have characteristically high defense. It's enough of a distinction, like the difference between a mountain and a desert.
Split Flying into Airborne and Wind
>>739510661I was there>>739523841Stfu faggot
>>739510661Mewtwo being CC was the biggest twist no one saw coming despite CC spending year to tease it
>>739500668>grass poisonAmongus the shroom thing that's strong in competitiveRoseradeThat's it I guess kek>rock/grounduhhhhhh geodude onix idk man
>>739535716
>>739535716>>739535871
How to fix the fairy type balance for good>make bug and psychic super effective against itthere you go
>>739507192
they basically have. rock barely exists these days.
>>739512219You would get bodied by kids in pvp pokemon. Pipe down
>>739507568>aliens are super effective against dinosaursMakes sense in a weird way.
>>739509878How do you dodge an explosion attack
Why is the Claude lore so God damn deep, why is his dad the badge guy from cerulean
>>739537040where is it said that oji-san is his dad?
>>739536827Gen 1 had 1/255 chance to dodge anything not guaranteed hit like Swift
>>739535946This is me frfr
>>739510251Why does the clanker love the radish
>>739503356by your logic, gyarados and butterfree would be a bird type
>>739530137its got pig physics
>>739499654>throw water on rock>nothing happens>japanese people: dude that totally wrecked the rock
>>739537040>>739537112I don't think Badge Oji-san is dad. Claude Sr did end his run in Cerulean and settled with the cerulean lass. Badge Oji-san has simply watched over all the Claudes. Claude Jr especially was very fond of him and would spend hours to just biking around Badge Oji-san's back yard
>>739538651Don't bother arguing with ESLs
>>739538790*psychics
>>739540005I said in my day in my year if they ever started putting pig psychics in my games, I'd quit video games
>>739499654There is and you don't play the games.
>>739508213Time machine to undo the one job they had
>>739510661>final panelfuck I actually felt something
>>739500596kek
>>739535716>Mewtwo being CCwhere did this idea come from
>>739544115Mewtwo being in Cerulean Cave (CC), CC being turned off for the run, CC quick appearance in Pokemon Mansion after the vod was unfrozen and Pokemon Mansion having Mew and Mewtwo's origin story in the journals, CC's feedback color being same as Mewtwo's psychic powers, CC making first appearance on Feb during Claude JR, Feb also being mentioned in the journals, Claude immediately gendering Mewtwo as female
>>739499654>There is not enough functional differences between these two to keep them separate
>>739502245i actually entered this thread to make this exact post.
>>739544327Ah I see, so Claude fans are more schziophrenic than he is.
>>739544327I'd add the name of Psyche, or spirit/ghost
>>739500231>Ground represents the Earth. Things like sand, mud, clay, etc.sandstorm is a rock type move and supports rock types xim xum xough
>>739500497>all these fakemons
>>739544520That was never in question
>>739499654Ground doesn't hit flying.
>>739504562only living in some god-forsaken bush in the ass end of nowhere was a factor too
>>739501432gonna need to hear your take on the psychic type
>>739544695Ground learns Rock moves.
>>739544115In case you need more context.
>>739502623Normal deserves to have its Fighting type weakness removed now. Close Combat made them all useless in competitive anyway.Either fully commit to being neutral or don't have it at all.
was this the team?
>>739545305that's the one
>>739499654Rock hardGround soft
>>739545305>>739545394i wanna see this on the background of rainbow road 64 and i want it yesterday
>>739514261He's very good in gen 2 and 3, a lot of record runs at the battle frontier use him. But yeah he dropped off a cliff after gen 4 gave every pokemon infinite coverage and the physical/special move split.
>>739513371it's just seethe innit
>>739510661When did he beat the game? I thought it was over when the government cut their contract.
>>739545936Started 3 weeks ago, beat it a week ago. It took 2 weeks from Claude 8th. He started with Bulbasaur who cant learn dig and he filled his active team with non-diggers. He tossed Dig TM in Safari to make room for Gold Teeth
>>739514859>throw mud at bird>it is immune to it because it's a ground type attackYou sound retarded. I'm saying it explicitly because you're retarded.
>>739501120>tons of things in nature are warmblooded, it would be stupid for it not to be a type
Pokémon is such a dogshit franchise.
