Are console players not embarrassed by their reliance on auto aim in shooting games? Especially in the era of crossplay. Do they really think this is fair? Imagine playing an RTS and the game did the micro for you
>>739507028But the other guy will also have auto aim
>>739507028>using bot auto-aim>still get shredded by the mouse userretards dont know they're retarded
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>>739508063I am absolute ass at shooters, genuinely bad copper tier and I dont suck that fuckin bad holy shit.
Do you zoomers never get embarrassed that you let everyone know you suck so much with a mouse?
>>739507204Fpbp OPs garbage bait thread in shambles lmao
>>739507028I played Battlefield 6 on console recently and even with the autoaim PC users still absolutely rinse me down it's not even close.
>>739507028I'm playing the game as it was designed. Not my problem.
>>739508290it's probably just deadzones being shit on sticks. Notice how his minimum movement is just horribly overshooting the target.
>>739508965That's just what R6:Siege the only console fps without aim assist is like on console
>>739507204What if he was a PC player
>>739507028if it makes you so angry plug in a controller to stay competitive. that's what I do
>>739509165>he doesn't know
>>739510579what
>>739510428He'll have an aimbot or wallhack installed already.
>>739510514I'd prefer to actually play the game myself than be forced to cheat to stay competitive.
>>739507028if everyone has good aim, then what matters is macromanagement rather than micromanagement. game sense, positioning, movement, timing, still shooting to an extent because it's when and why you shoot instead of "how", cooldowns if your game has that, resources, and just the intangibles that separate a good player from a bad player beyond just 'he's a god at aim trainer with 24072385 hours in it but nothing else'dumbass
>>739511086false
>>739507028No, why would they? Console players are normalfags, they don't give a shit about their skill in a video game.
>>739507204that doesnt make it any less pathetic.
>>739511086this is so funny I see the same shiteater cope in fighting game threads where subhumans defend any removal of execution.
>>739508965It's like those anime shows with kung fu gun action.
>>739513492Why would this guy be streaming his gameplay with a camera on his hands if he didn't think he was some kinda hot shit tho? Why would anyone care to watch if he wasn't pretending it was skillful?
>>739516214>he turns it back onLMAO
>>739507028As someone who has had the unfortunate opportunity to play that CoD in the webm, I can confirm that the aim assist is no where near that strong. Also that guy is on PC, so he's most likely using something else that gives him that much aim assist.
>>739509165literally looks like the average kbm user desu
>>739516582I played CoD 2019, cold war, mw2022, mw2023, and BO6. It was that bad starting with cold war. It took them until BO6 to start adding a few measures to make it slightly less egregious.
>>739516758It was not that strong in any of those, stop bullshittin. The aim assist in the newer CoDs is significantly strong than it was back during the og MW and MW2 days, but it's not, and never was that strong as that webm.
does anyone have the clip of the guy constantly autoaiming his friend that's just jumping in front of him?
>>739507028Where embarrassing is not being able to use both control scenes like some poorfag of shit
People also need to realize that cronus is common use nowadays. Hell, you can literally walk into some big box stores like Walmart and buy yourself a cronus.
>>739507028I will never understand what kind of sick masochist plays FPS with a controller. Controllers in general are fucking retarded and get mogged by kb/m or specialized inputs for every single genre. Only exceptions are maybe some bing bing wahoo 3D platformer or 3rd person action game- basically very simplistic games by nature that can be fully controlled by only a few buttons.
>>739517217>Only exceptions are maybe some bing bing wahoo 3D platformer or 3rd person action gameThese games can work well with a keyboard and mouse, developers usually just don’t bother with creating a user-friendly control scheme
>>739517217I don't wanna be sitting at a desk using a mkb to play a game with. Unless you're playing some ultra competitive shooter like Val, CS, or those types, controllers are 100x more comfortable and just as good. Also MMOs are better on kbm too I guess. If I'm playing something like Cyberpunk, or GTA, I ain't using no fucking kbm.
>>739517217then stop crying about aim assist keyboard cuck
>>739507204So there is no skill in winning and no skill in losing, how is that better?
>>739517440The problem is that a controller is very limiting in what games you can play, since controller-friendly games tend to be quite primitive (again, mostly due to small number of buttons and lack of precision). FPS, RTS, MMO, simulation, city builders, tycoons or really anything that uses more than 10 buttons to play is automatically out of the window. So you're left with a handful of very boring games like sports or kids platformers. Even games like GTA or Cyberpunk play infinitely better on a kb/m once you step out of a vehicle. I only ever used a controller for cars or planes in GTA V.
>>739518149>ven games like GTA or Cyberpunk play infinitely better on a kb/m once you step out of a vehicle. I only ever used a controller for cars or planes in GTA V.You don't need 40 separate keybinds for games like Cyberpunk or GTA
>>739518461Who says that's the only benefit of kb+m?
>>739518538Besides that and the aiming precision of a mouse, which isn't wholly important in those games desu, what other benefits would there be? I mean, I guess if you're someone who plays games at 100% efficiency, all the time, and you need to have the best of the best for even single player games, then I guess mkb is the way to go.
>>739518846You use guns in Cyberpunk. Do you even play video games?
>>739518923As someone who used both mkb and a controller in my Cyberpunk playthru, both options are viable. You must have missed the part where I said if you need to play even single player games at peak efficiency, then use mkb. I play games for comfort, relax, and to chill. I'm not sitting at a desk, flicking headshots in a single player game....
>>739514485This isn't fucking chess, son. People don't watch streamers to learn how to play better; they watch them because they have a parasocial relationship with the streamer and are pretending he's their friend.
>>739519175>I play games for comfort, relax, and to chill. I'm not sitting at a desk, flicking headshots in a single player game....This mindset is why you're a loser. You should always be putting maximum effort into anything you do in life.
>>739519581You typed that while hunched over at your desk, cover in cheeto dust, sporting an unkempt neckbeard, hentai posters on the wall next to the trans flag, didn't you anon?
>>739507028>Imagine playing an RTS and the game did the micro for youproblem?
>>739507028>Are console players not embarrassed by their reliance on auto aim in shooting games?aim assist is the equivalent of affirmative action in real life. hiring a woman just because she's a woman over a qualified individual. it's pure dei shit, done solely out of greed to milk even the most troglodyte console players out of their money by making them think they're good. giving artificial advantages to fags that don't deserve it over people that actually put in the work. it's so unbelievably fucking disgusting and the fact that gaymers and devs simply accept it in pvp crossplay and actual tourneys just goes to show how far this industry has fallen.
>>739520591good post
>>739519857The fact that you reacted so defensively just tells me that I hit the nail on the head. Trying to do your best at everything you do, no matter how small or "unimportant", is one of the best possible ways to live your life and certainly one of the best ways to succeed at life. I'm sorry your father wasn't around to teach you these sorts of lessons.
>>739520591If you had told me back in the day that shit like Quake and Starcraft were going to be the peak of reflex and reaction based competitive gaming, I would never have believed it. But here we are.
>>739507028>Are console players not embarrassed by their reliance on auto aim in shooting games?no, they like it, obviously, u mad?
>>739507028To them the games are more than just aiming. Just like if you get rid of micro in RTS then it just means that the other areas become more important.
>>739522167What is there to be good at in COD besides aiming and shooting people?
>>739513492>Console players are normalfagsyes.>they don't give a shit about their skill in a video game.no, they're just retards incapable of self-reflection. the very concept of aim assist is abhorrent. every single one of these normalfags would piss and shit themselves over their favorite sports ball game adding something equivalent to aim assist, like if certain football teams were allowed to use their hands over others.
>>739507028rotational aim assist really is a plague on gaming
>>739522272You're shooting at people very close to you and everyone is just a human soldier guy who can barely even jump while dying to 3 bullets. React and abuse peeker's advantage.
>>739521953consoles in general have done so much harm to gaming, it's unreal. even basic shit that was standard for pc back in the day like a fucking simple server browser and dedicated servers has been phased out for single button matchmaking and official servers only.
>>739507028Why use outdated inputs like KBM when controllers are the thinking man's choice?
>>739520591mad little timmy beat you in apex?
>>739522775If everyone's cheating then obviously the only way to stay competitive is to cheat also, but that doesn't mean that cheating is a good thing.
>zero arguments>y-you hecking mad!lol. not even worth a (you).
>>739522775What game is this from?
>>739513543They are video games lol
>>739507028I don't play games competitively, if I'm playing something with PvP it's usually a game a friend convinced me to play and I'm more than for the company and conversation rather than the game itself so I'm not too caught up with my statistics. My friends also understand where my heads at so they don't get mad that I'm doing cheeks. It's not what I seek out in this medium, my aim is good enough to finish single m prayer shooters too. So I'm not worried. I hope you aren't the kind of person that gets frustrated because they've played games their whole life and you're not grand master in any
>>739511086This. Smites a terrible game, but I've put enough time in that even if my opponent is better in combat then me when and where to be, but to buy to counter, and the ins and outs of each character and their moves specifications. If all he can do is land his hits I can work around that.
>>739511086How one can argue with this?
>>739516976There's many.
>>739507028>Imagine playing an RTS and the game did the micro for youWell RTS have started to let you semi automate resource gathering and I think it's a godsend.
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>>739511086So goldeneye 64, which made the auto aim clear instead of trying to pretend the player was actually aiming
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>>739529251It was a long time ago, but I don't remember that game being so...automated.
>>739529287There's plenty more out there, but you get the idea.
>>739507204You can't really scoff at this reviewer while being fine with your control scheme being inherently imprecise.
>>739507028Killzone 2 had no auto-aim. No hope for that series to ever make a comeback nor would such gameplay be accepted by modern console FPS gamers today. So I don't care for console FPS. I will just stick to other games.
>>739507028Cry harder pc cuck niggas *locks onto your head*
I own real guns so I use controller with vibration on and aim assist off
>>739507028>Imagine playing an RTS and the game did the micro for youYou mean it wouldn't be a dead genre that requires literal autism to play and winning would actually revolve around who can carry out the best strategies rather than who can hit hotkeys and click through menus the fastest?
>>739517597gyro exists, consolefags have literally 0 excuse. they just want the game to play itself for them
>>739507204And you think that's LESS embarrassing? The fact that not only is the game playing for you but it's also playing for every other person you see?At what point is it all just a controllable cutscene?
>>739529042>>739529223>>739529287>>739529517Looks like Nintendo had it right with the Metroid Prime series all along. You may as well add lock-on aiming to console FPS.
>>739507028No, because I still miss all my shots
>>739528305by realizing that devs try to force in crossplay in just about every single pvp game nowadays and aim assist combined with crossplay is pure cancer. i honestly don't care if consolefags want to have their aim assist but i also don't want them in my lobbies. separate that shit out and we're good.
>>739535041Only if you only have sticks. That's not needed with gyro.
>>739522775>Why would you want to play the game yourself? Look at how much better these cheaters are
>>739532836I hope you also use gyro if you want your aiming to feel realistic. That, and if you want to actually hit anything ever.
>>739513646motion inputs are a product of the arcade era where you had 2 buttons in your game padfighting games are the only games where you cannot customize your controls, there is no real argument to why you should not be allowed to asign the shoryuken into any of your 50 button optionsgit gud is not a real argument and that is why fighting games are such a laughing stock
>90% of hand to hand action games have lock on or magnetism>I sleep>FPS has aim assist>AIEEEE SAVE ME HACKERMANI'm not saying put it in Quake or Counter Strike because that would be bullshit but come on you're playing fucking Carl of Duty it's literally 20 years too late to be complaining this is just what the video game is.
>>739517217>I will never understand what kind of sick masochist plays FPS with a controller.Gyro pilled chads. Gyro+FFB enabled to simulate recoil is absolute ludo beyond any other way of playing anything with shooting
>>739529042>>739516214Yeah, modern aim assist is ridiculous. If console players had NO aim assist, they'd get ate alive like Quake 3 Dreamcast and (recently) Star Wars: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast (also a Q3A game engine title) Switch did against PC players.But the Magnet aim is wayyyy too strong. Even Bungie, the king of magnet aim, never made Halo during their time that strong.
Just don't play shit games.Why would you want to play with literal console niggers?
Controllers are a compromised input designed for mass adoption and portability. The right analog stick should have been replaced with a trackpad 4 generations ago. Trackpads are faster, more accurate and more versatile.Anyone who uses a controller for games is a retard.
>>739538614its funny that arcade platformers understood that playing with your fingers for jump and attack was simply better in every single way than mushing your thumb across surfacesnow we have fully leverless controllers that have demonstrated playing with your thumbs is and always was dogshit
>>739507028you miss the point of consoles they are for people who like to pretend to play video games autoaim fps, moviegames and ball with gambling and autoaim are basically the only reasons why home consoles are still a thing for now>>739508290input lag is insane on consoles
best console FPS games are on the Wii and Splatoon (but mainly the first one cause they fucked the frame rate in 2&3). Light gun > gyro (if done well like Splatoon) >>> mouse > gyro (done poorly like most PS4/5 gyro support games) >>>>> joystick
>>739507028This is why gyro is so important. Nobody bitches about splatoon
you honestly dont need auto aim when using a controller. gamers think they do, because they have been playing that way for years, and they havent developed the skills. but if you have been playing on a controller without aim assist for a long time you will develop the skills and aiming will feel ok. i mean just imagine if gamers had been playing without aim assist for years on controllers, by now they would be able to do it. its really not as intimidating as it looks.i always play games like cyberpunk with a controller and without aim assist. competitive games are a different story because other players are using kb+m, but single player games theres no issue. even in competitive games its not always that bad, i often play overwatch on PC with a controller and theres no aim assist.
>>739539262Or just use gyro 5 head.
>>739508290thats a pro controller player with auto aim disabled btw
this is why projectiles are usually more fun than hitscan. they dont really need aim assist.
>>739517217the problem is that every dev wants to add cross play, which leads to scenarios like apex where you have a genuinely brilliant game filled with movement, and auto aim is so strong even the pro players are forced to play on controller and ruin the game, watch an imperial hal or aceu clip from early apex and its more impressive that the indoor close quarters auto aim slop the game became
>>739507028If they were able to feel embarrassment, they wouldn't have bought a console and wouldn't have bought a game that auto plays with legal aimbots. These people are their target audience, the people who are too incompetent to actually use cheats, but too bored to actually aim themselves.
Controllers serve as a lowest common denominator input, a necessary compromise, but they either have to make it work to some extent or not have FPS games on console at all. It actually gets worse the more you think about it, because even controllers are not equal and the Xbox controller is the lowest common denominator within controllers.Because of Microsoft's refusal to add gyro support it's never going to become mass market on consoles, and it's unlikely that FPS games releasing on PS and Xbox will have wildly different control schemes. And to add insult to injury, even though the FPS games this generation are multiplatform, very few actually let you play with Mouse + KB on console, even though all the work is already done. I remember playing Dust 514 or whatever it was called, a free-to-play FPS with Mouse and Keyboard support for the PS3, this was ages ago and I dominated because most people were on controllers, it's embarrassing that 10+ years later nothing has changed.Unless developers/console manufacturers want us to stay with this cringe slow aiming and auto aim for yet another generation the solutions are obvious - gyro aiming is added to Xbox for the next generation, and developers allow people to play FPS games with mouse and keyboard on consoles.
>>739507204Which boils combat engagements down to who can click fastest, which isn't a very fun skill, certainly not an impressive one. It's fine for minigames but not for whole rounds of versus games.
>>739539471Or you design games where you have longer distances too, so the cones won't always have an advantage in the encounters where precision matter the most. Apex, Tarkov and Marathon sort of come to mind on that side of the equation.
>>739507028>Loved borderlands and halo>Got them for pc eventually for nostalgia>Decide I should plug in controller to play them how I used to>Feels fucking godawful and have to swap to mouse within a couple of minutesThere's truly no going back. It feels like evolving, the PC master race meme was well forged. I wouldn't say I don't get how console shooters don't realize they're living in the cave, but I used to be ignorantly blissful among them.>>739511086This is true to a degree but it's still not favorable to have a shooter game that doesn't leave the shooting to you. Would you play a fighter game that has you tactically deciding when to hit Block and Crouch while your ai does the rest? Or a Kartlike racing game that steers for you while you manage boosts and mystery items? Do you go bowling with the bumpers up? All that aside the second critical flaw in your point is that shooters aren't guaranteed to have those be significant or even exist.
>>739517217>see "game is best played on controller!">play with m+k, literally cannot imagine how a controller would workmany such cases
when you aim on a controller you aim more with your movement than with the camera. even on PC thats what people did back in the day when they played games like unreal tournament. or at least thats what i did. you aim by strafing, not the mouse.
>>739507028console plebes have no shame
>>739522775>modern games are all just cheatingMan I'm glad I stopped giving a shit and gave up on multiplayer shooters once all this autoaim garbage became mainstream on PC. Jesus.
>>739511086>if everyoneAnd it's yet to happen. A game where M&K gets the same autoaim as controller would be hilarious.
>>739539950CoD isn't not that with a mouse either, it's basically the nature of a game with a "conventional" ADS implementation and the map design.>>739540294>Would you play a fighter game that has you tactically deciding when to hit Block and Crouch while your ai does the rest?Damn you are bad at analogies. Sidescrolling fighting games are one of the few striking combat games which don't primarily feature auto tracking attacks (although this was always less true of 3D fighters and increasingly dumbed down in many current games) and yet you are too fucking ignorant to even use that.>Or a Kartlike racing game that steers for you while you manage boosts and mystery items?Mario Kart has the driving equivalent of ADS on top of all the tracks and collision physics being designed around a lack of steering precision, every real car racing game that is considered playable on a controller has a fuckton of steering assist and nobody complains about it.
You will never need auto aim (aim assist is just auto aim with a new name) on controller, no level of cope can justify it. Just learn how to aim with a controller, stop pushing the stick all the way like with dogshit clips like >>739509165 as an example. You have a lot of room to control how fast you're aiming in a direction, you don't need to be using it at 100% all the time.
>>739529676>You can't really scoff at this reviewer while being fine with your control scheme being inherently imprecise.The funniest part about this is the people who made that game figured it may be too easy on launch, because it was relatively easy for them to play.Then everyone got all pissy that it was comically hard on launch.
>>739540980Or just use gyro??? Ffs gyro has 1 to 1 like mouse and you dumbasses ignore it
>>739540980You can have a fully playable and fun game without it but Halo 2 and CoD4 had a shitload of aim assist and dominated the market and thus set the trend. It's not like the OP's crying is relevant to anything but CoD, a BR made by CoD devs, and Fortnite anyways.
>>739541274>you dumbasses ignore itI don't ignore it, Gyro is the future of controller aiming. The issue is that xbox and PS don't invest in it properly and make it the main way to aim in games. If it's not standard than the argument is pointless, auto aim is in games because joystick aiming is standard and subhumans refuse to learn how to use them properly.
>>739508063These fuckers would get slaughtered at a UT99 or CS
>>739541378I guess. I just hate how gyro is so potent but ignored by companies, games, even some players
>>739541880I feel you, it is completely retarded how everyone ignores the tech. Probably because less people would enjoy playing PvP games since they wouldn't get away with blatant legal cheats anymore and that would hurt xbox/PS's bottom line. I'm sure if someone found a way to make gyro seem appealing as a marketing scheme, the corpos would eat it up, it's all about money to them.
>>739540980Besides gyro being a thing, every first party controller comes with god awful dogshit analog sticks with gigantic deadzones. They can't help but aim or steer at 100% because that's the only way they get input.
>>739542331>>739541880First experiences often lock in one's preferences. This led to a deathspiral for console FPS due to HALO and CoD blowing up around the exact same time as the Wii made most players perceive motion controls as nothing but waglan.Unfortunate when you consider the Wii's infrared pointer tracking is downright superior to mouse input, yet a few bad E3 presentations made everyone think it's just wagglan kiddie shit.
>>739542937How else are they going to make you pay a shit load for garbage designed to break on you? The example I replied to, though, is extreme even on first party trash.
>>739508290I literally can't aim even if my life depended on it and I can aim better than this guy, hell, even on a controller I'm able to sometimes aim in a somewhat decent way.
depends on the auto aim, i remember the bf3 one being pretty good because it wasn't excessive and there was a slight skill aspect to it
>>739510514will she suck my dick and eat my shit ?
>>739507028Pointing and clicking on heads is boring. With a controller it's an actual game and not just a point and click
>>739507028It's this shit again.One thing what that guy forgot to tell you he didn't turn off his dma cheat device.
>>739511086Pure Gamerdad cope.
>>739507028they have no sense of shame or guiltpersonally this kind of gay autoaim shit takes the tactile feel out of games for me, as if I'm not the one in control of my own aimI can't stand it
>>739507337It's actually even worse than that. They genuinely think they are good. They record clips of the aim snapping and title them "look at my godlike skills" and thousands of people like them.This is how you turn brown
>>739527421correct. imagine being too pathetic for games.
>>739538132shut up faggot
>>739546485And the game is whose aimbot locks on first
>>739507028(retarded) people like you can only make these type of threads because you never played console fps shooters without auto aim
>>739507028was auto aim ever this egregious? i don't remember it being a big deal in the 360 era, i mean, i always won every cod 4 match cus i mastered the p90 recoil. maybe the lack of recoil is the main problem
>>739549184Console players have less recoil too. It fucked things up in bf6 where every gun was a laser in controller
>>739527201I think that's from halo infinite, one of the more aggressive examples of how oppressive controllers are in crossplay titles
>>739507028>Are console players not embarrassedidk anon, I don't play shooters but from my PoV you're the one who should be embarrassed by putting in time into a game that's not even designed for you
>>739507028Autoaim is generally designed that most people won't notice it while playing, so they don't actually realize how much the game is playing itself.
>>739511086TRVKE
>>739511086Movement is the second skill to be rendered pointless when aim assist is introduced. What does it matter how well you move when the game is gluing your opponent's crosshair to you? You can even see this with Apex Legends where M/KB has movement tech that controller players can't even do and it literally doesn't matter and pro M/KB players are still switching to controller because you can't outmaneuver an aimbot. Game sense and timing are also less important. You peeking someone right as your teammate starts a fight elsewhere and his eyes drift to his minimap matters so much less because, again, his crosshair is glued to you and all he needs to do is hold M1 when there's movement in his peripheral vision. Positioning is important in the sense that it turns the game into CoD where the person ready to fire, the person doing nothing and risking nothing, is always at a huge advantage because there's nothing you can do to throw them off (even when they've taken a position that would be terrible if the human aspect was involved) when the game itself is aiming for them.And even if all that weren't true, all of it is still important when individual aim is a factor. Aim assist is just taking away a huge aspect of skill and something that distinguishes players.
>>739507028a personal capable of introspection would not be a 'console gamer' in the first place, so no
>>739517301I'm more and more certain that the belief M/KB doesn't work for action games is largely just the default controls almost always being retarded and people being too dumb or lazy to change them.
I remember playing Titanfall on my brother's PS4 a long time ago and instantly being astounded at how hard my aim locked onto people. Do most consolefags really not notice that shit?
>>739551261The bullet magnetism is absolutely wild in Halo Infinite. It's like everyone's hitbox is 3x the size of their character model
>>739553268To be fair, that's consistent with the rest of the series.
>>739507028The auto aim is necessary to cancel out the stick drift that all modern controllers have.
