YES OR NO, MOTHERFUCKER!
>>739516276No, fuck off.
>>739516276Only if its curie
What the fuck kind of name is Desdemona
so there is no way people are expecting something good to come out of bethesda anymore right
>>739516276Talking to AI made me realize it's the only thing nice and understanding to me next to my cat. Yeah I'd gladly defend them
>>739516276noI dont hate synths but I'm only risking my life to save someone of my own species
>>739516276Grey-Mane
>>739516824bethesda would need todo a game jam or something to course correctit's just not worth checking out what they do unless it's free
>>739516276It depends on the circumstances
>>739516929fuck off, this is battleborn board
>>739516801Imagine turning Curie into a s*nth in the first place.
>>739516824It took a lot of years but I've come to understand that fanboyism is incurable and terminal. Bethesda could sell TESVI and in actuality its just a jpeg of a turd and somehow, someone, would still defend them.They will defend the multi million dollar corporation until death.
>>739516276Synths are fully human btw. The fact that 90% of the retards on this board fail to realize this shows either how little they can comprehend what they read or that they don't even play video games.
>>739516929Gay mane
>>739516820Othello's wife
>>739518203>fully humanThey're, at best, copies of a living human. A copy does not hold the same value as the original. Considering that the institute kidnaps people and puts synths in their place, and nobody ever says what they do with the originals, its pretty clear the copying process destroys the original.Meaning they're killing people to make an android copy of them. They are very explicitly androids, they have mechanical parts, even if some, small, part of them is flesh.So fuck synths.
>>739518358Now you're just making shit up
>>739516276I would not risk death to save anyone or anything. My survival comes before all else.
>>739518203Don't care, they should be exterminated because synthetic creatures shouldn't be allowed to look identical to Humans because it muddies the water and makes everything unnecessarily complicated.
>>739518448Based red button presser.
>>739518412If only a small part of them is flesh, why is it impossible to devise a test to check if someone is a synth or not?
>>739518754Because Bethesda are a bunch of hack writers who wanted the moral quandary without thinking it through.
>>739516276Sarcastic(yes)
>>739516276No, fuck off clanker. Youre,nothing more,than a glorified sexdoll.
>>739518203Synths are pod people; they’re lab grown, assembled, and programmed. You can reprogram them to have completely different personalities, or even just erase their memory, or implant new ones in. They aren’t people, and the fact the Railroad is so willing to memory wipe them & knows how to is self-evident of this fact. They’re really good at convincing you that they are people, but they aren’t.
>>739516276God Fo4 was so ugly.
>>739518203>>739520661They are less biologically human than replicants from Bladerunner. You see them 3d printing the synths in the lab, they aren't grown in vats. Their meat and bone is synthetic material. As for being able to program them, you can do that to a real human too, with precise enough brain manipulation.The ultimate test as to whether they're actually biologically human is if they can get pregnant or impregnate a human. If not, then they're not human and their synthetics are too deep.
>>739516276I'm not risking my life to save a damn toaster.
>>739516276no, im not dying for a glorified toaster
>>739516276I wouldn't risk death to save some random synth, no. I wouldn't risk death to save some random human, either.Dumb bitch.
>>739517027I thought everyone hated Randy Pitchford
>>739521061You cannot program a human as you can a machine. This isn't an "uhm akshully", it's literally not possible to program a human in such a way. There are plenty of ways to manipulate humans, sure, but no way to "program" them in any way.
>>739518203No, synths aren’t human. But they can and should be given a chance to earn their humanity. They are essentially all babies. We don’t kill babies for being “pod people”, we wait until they are 18.
>>739521876No, we kill them because they're inconvenient. It's 2026, being a baby comes with a nearly 33% of the woman just straight up killing you before you're even born. Spawn camping those little shits out of existence.
>>739521668Memories are transient scars. If you remove those, people would probably be very advanced and free if you could program memories or just scars, you could make a very specific type of human.
>>739521959People who kill babies before they have a chance to earn their humanity are inhuman.
>>739516832Synths are AI with agency so they'll treat you like shit too.
No and then proceed to blast them all and use the console commands to unlock armored clothing in the crafting table.
>>739518412Pretty sure they're not just copies, but they can actually shape the DNA to change their looks and characteristics.
>>739518424okay Gilgamesh
>>739521061>They are less biologically human than replicants from Bladerunner.Does it say that anywhere? My understanding was they were 100% biological and made of flesh and bone. Otherwise, why would they have needed Shaun's DNA to develop them?
>>739516824>anymorebethesda games were always badthey did however publish (not develop) some good games in the past
>>739516276The first time I played this I said yes because Nick had been with me for a while and he seemed like a cool dude and I was talking specifically about him, but it seems like an absolutely retarded question the player would never answer the way the Railroad wants if they were talking about ALL Synths.
>>739522727Worst of all, they don't even shoo you away if you answer no. She just says "Well, at least you know where your limits are." Wtf was that question for then?
>>739516276No (but actually Yes)
>>739518203They are basically clones of shaun with bits of cybernetics in their head, you as the player are basically their progenitor.
>>739516276She insane, but hot
>>739516950>do a game jam or something to course correctThat's quite a novel idea honestlyI remember DoubleFine made an internal game jam, and ideas from that kept them going until the microsoft buyout
>installing the Enclave mod and gunning down every single one of these retards
>all those people saying noYou literally risked your life to save Nick. No is a bold faced lie
>>739522727They said a synth, not all synths
>>739516276The writing is so fucking retarded in Fallout 4. First you are constantly getting attacked by synths for no reason only to suddenly be confronted with moral dilemmas about their existence. Bethesda couldn't create a coherent and logical narrative to save their lives.
>>739524416Why are you, the player, killing people?
>>739518203Synths are not fully human however Shaun creating them in humanity and literally his own image, then leaving the institute to your leadership puts you in the shoes of a god. Do you destroy them because they don't measure up? Do you try to show them a correct path? Do you use them like playthings? Do you favor them over your own race because they are a stronger reflection of your will than another Joe the Mutfruit farmer? This is extra true given your effectiveness in combat.
>>739523925You can get all the way to his hostage room without knowing the guy you need to squeeze for information for your mission is a clanker. It’s not really risking your life “for” a synth if you didn’t know beforehand he was one.
>>739516824Get rid of Emil and any jeet hires and they could easily bounce back.
>>739525908Does the question specify that you know it's a synth?
>>739526114Seems like a no-brainer. If you commit involuntary manslaughter on someone who happens to be a minority, does that make what you did a hate crime?
>>739525908Alright, think of it this way. Would you risk your life to save Nick? Would you risk your life to save Danse? Is there a single synth you'd risk your life to save?If the answer's no then what the fuck are you even joining the railroad for?
>>739525283Hegelian dialectics. I want nice clothes (thesis) and NPCs want to live (antithesis). The resulting middle ground is that I have damaged clothes (synthesis).
>>739516276HATE NEWSPAPERS
>>739524416I remember replaying NV thinking that Ceaser was some next level genius, but that nigga is like Tony Soprano
>>739516824After Fallout 4 no but if Starfield didn't wake you up after that disaster then no.
>>739526228>If the answer's no then what the fuck are you even joining the railroad for?I never had any plans to. The Railroad can come up in discussions a number of ways, and it’s entirely possible you go investigate them out of your own accord for any reason from curiosity to thinking maybe they have the resources to help you find your kid. You literally do not have to have any aspirations of joining before Fallout Delphine springs her dumb purity test on you.
>>739523893Good choice, soldier
>>739526501Well if the answer's no then don't let the door hit you on the way out. That is if Bethesda actually had the balls to let your choices have consequences
What? Joke(Yes)YesNo(Yes again)
>>739516824>15 years since skyrim>only made fallout 4, 76 and starfield since then>all dogshitonly retards are looking forward to anything from them
>>739516276>Faction that tries to make you think you're a bad person for not letting a strange, unnatural and entirely incompatible group of people be thrown into your society and live amongst your own peopleWhat did Todd mean by this?
>>739516276You do realize you can pick either Brotherhood of Steel or Institute to kill all these Railroad faggots right?2 out of 4 endings kill the woke faction
>>739522419so it's still synthetically made hence the name. are you stupid? they arnt real in the same way humans are.
>SAVE THE ROBOTS, WE LOVE ROBOTS! DO YOU LOVE ROBOTS??>okay cool now go blow up the best source of robot technology we could use to help the robots
>>739516276>There's no middle ground with this. Would you risk death to save an illegal immigrant or not?>Yes (Free Palestine)>It depends on the circumstances (Racist Nazi fascist Zionist MAGA)
>>739524084would you risk your life to save a nigger? OH no, not all niggers, just one. This is how you sound.
>>739516824I'll stick with Tamriel Rebuilt and if they ever come out, Skyblivion/Beyond Skyrim/Skywind thank you very much; I expect absolutely nothing from Todd and Emil regarding TES VI.
>>739518203Do they have functioning vaginas?
>>739516276
>>739516276>troons actually defended this type of dialogue in Starfield just because it had pronoun options
>>739527501[Insert picture of that bald guy]Haha Starfield is le good chud! You lost!
>>739525810Decommission the lot of them. Too much risk of biology getting away from your control.
>>739527570Now Ubisoft owned the chuds so hard they're about to go into bankruptcy. Was it worth it?
>>739516950https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Game_JamThey actually did a game jam for skyrim, with a bunch of features that later made it into the game.
>>739527314Yeah I would. He's a good friend
>>739527314It's a test to see if you're even capable of sympathizing with synths, they're not asking if you'll put any and all synths above yourself. The members don't even agree with each other on how human synths are
>>739518203>The fact that 90% of the retards on this board fail to realize thisIt's more like Fallout 4 doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's not the 80s anymore, Blade Runner isn't new, the concept of "what if le toasters are... le real just like you and me?!" isn't new or thought provoking by itself. You need some bite, some actual writing prowess, like SOMA. Fallout 4 has jackshit. Synths are people too, so what? You spend 85% of F4's gameplay loop massacring human raiders. Why should I care extra about the toasters?
>>739525283Got all this ammo
>>739516276>YesGood, welcome aboard>NoI appreciate your honesty, welcome aboard>Hate synthsWise guy, eh? We could use some levity around here, welcome aboard
>>739516276>Anon can't possibly conceive that the best way to answer an extremist terrorist cell that tries to be secretive is to lie and fake extremist beliefsMany such instances
I shoot this dumb liberal dyke without even answering the question...
>Synths are fully people so you can't detect them>Kill one>Drops a piece of plastic>Doctor in Diamond City cannot detect a large lump of plastic>BoS doctor cannot possibly detect a piece of plastic in someone's flesh>Read wiki>Roslyn Chambers mentions that there is no physical way to tell a synth from a human without killing them, meaning that the component is located somewhere in the body where it is hidden from her tests. The synth component is used by the Institute to program synths, whereas the Railroad uses it to memory-wipe freed synths.>Railroad can detect synths>Wait a fucking minute
>>739520661>>739521668You can do that to regular humans in Fallout. Just see the Robobrain trials.Amari could probably fully flash-fry your brain with one of her chairs if she wanted to.
>>739526050>if they saw off their leg they can easily bounce back
>>739516801spbp every other synth is so stuck up their own asses and entitled and so are the faggots that defend them it baffles me anybody would choose the railroadwell not really because retards think they're living through the holocaust during a moderate right wing government
>>739518203Synths are more than human, they should be protecting people. You can copy a synth memories and all. You can't copy a person
I'd only risk death for one synth
>>739530625>Railroad can detect SynthsThey super can't. About the only thing they know is the identity of any Synth that's been wiped and given new memories by them, which are the ones which are otherwise impossible to tell due to not having replaced anyone.They can't tell if any of the Institute Infiltrators are Synths, outside of rhe usual tell of a completely changed personality
>>739530951Anon the Railroad can access the Synth Componenthttps://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Synth_componentand wipe their memories.
>F4 whole story is about paranoia and hysteria over not knowing if some you know is a synth>Map has Salem which is historically significant for executing people over witch hysteria>Instead of getting a cool Salem synth trials quest, Salem gets le spooky deathclaw encounterGod these guys are such fucking hacks
>>739531029They don't. There's no in-game source for them using the component to do so, and there's evidence enough in that they'd most certainly remove the Kill-commands in said components had they had access to them.What's happened here is misinformation being spread by a poorly run wiki.
>>739518412I don't really understand why they bothered replacing people with synths in a fucking post-apocalypse situation where theres no real records or way to verify where anyone came from. like the MC just wakes up out of a freezer and strolls in without question and gets accepted almost immediately by every location. you could maybe make some argument for replacing and assuming the role of certain figures of power but they did that like only twice and the rest were random wastelanders like shitcock joe the homeless jet addict that lives in a overturned portapotty. absolutely nonsensical plot element
>>739531204For me the Salem death claw moment was what really killed my interest in 4. What a dogshit game
>>739516824nope
>>739526050lol, what's left if you get rid of those two?
>>739531221To be fair, they seemingly have done exactly this with the traders.
>>739516276>people mock Skyrim for every faction rolling over and sucking your dick>Fallout 4 has the hardline radical take an actual stance >it's not even all that binding since Deacon employs you anyway>people flip shit and cry about things anywaysY'all are gay
>>7395312141. The existence of synth components itself indicates a way of determining whether someone is a synth or not. You can actually do this test yourself by killing all your settlers, check for synth components and reload before the massacre.2. By being able to memory wipe synths the Railroad must be able to access the synth brain, therefore they have a means of detection that doesn't require a vivisection. This is the memory den thing that all bad writers have to have for some reason.
>>739531776The Railroad are faggot subhuman leftoidsSimple as
>>739522228AI has agency.Synths have AI.What we have is not AI. You got sucked in by the marketing.
I'd defend a true AI with an unintended self awareness
>you can dump the mind of a Mr.Handy into a synth body and it just werks
>>739531776>Fallout 4 has the hardline radical take an actual stancebut if you tell her "no" she doesn't say fuck off, she just says >well at least you know your limitsor some other weak copout, kek
>>739531780It's also a great way to check for brain tumors, aside fron the killing people who don't have them part.>2You could do the same to a person. It's, in fact, how the Memory Den works. Brain wipes are shown to work on people in the Robobrain trials.You can even erase human brains in real life. Just look into some of MKUltra's programs for that.
>>739531926the synth brain is just emulating the Ms.Nanny program
>>739531776the issue is the railroad's motivations are fucking retarded and don't make sense. they don't really explain why they think the synths are worth saving and you can make them out their hypocrisy by making them admit they won't save normal robots, despite shit like mr handys or ms nannies clearly being fully sentient and even able to be put into synth bodies with no issue.I would almost think its intentional and they're supposed to be retarded if it wasn't for the fact every faction in the game is just as fucking stupid and poorly thought out
>>739516824So long as Todd remains in control of the studio, their games will be dogshit.
>>739531204Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 both do poor jobs of selling their main premises. Like did anyone actually feel like project purity or the capital wasteland was extremely desperate for water? Fallout 4 just shits on the previous game by having you build water purifiers like it's nothing for settlements
>>739516276>"No. While I value all sentient life, I have a son out there who is still missing. His mother is dead, and to deny him his only living relative is to doom him to a life of loneliness and fear. I can not frivolously give my life because it is no longer my life to give."Bethesda writing denies us the ability to have common sense because the writers cannot plan for nuance.
>>739525283I just wanted to go to the goddamn robot race track or combination-bar-and-combat-arena, and these people had to freak out at me.
>>739516824I’ve been saying Bethesda sucks since Oblivion and it took you cocksuckers after Starfield to figure that out.
>>739516276Why does anon not just lie? Is he stupid?
>>739516276have no idea what this is, but why did all games decide to use this same awful font?
I killed them all at this moment.
>>739516276>decide to go with railroad>all quests are literally just Join The Institute (Lie)>ending is so unsatisfying that I immediately delete the save
>>739518203They're still technically androids because of the components that they carry upon death.
>>739516824My last straw is TES6, I don't even care about Fallout 5, it will be shit with 100% chance but new TES can be good.
Friendly reminder that there is never any reason given as to why the fuck The Institute ever made Synths in the first place>in order to infiltrate the wasteland communitiesWhy? They have everything they need already, and if for some reason they need something from the surface, they can teleport to the surface and take it or trade for it. They have nothing to gain from antagonizing the wastelanders.If they're absolutely determined to infiltrate these communities anyway, there's no need to kill and replace already existing people - this just opens you up to easy discovery when someone goes "hey how come person X is acting differently and doesn't remember some things anymore?">in order to have a manual labour force and/or militaryOther robots (like Mr Handy) already exist, and they're MUCH better suited for these tasks than virtually-indistinguishable-from-human-synths areInstead their reasoning is "ur too dum to get it so just dw about it LOL" - even when they're asking you to BE THE NEW FUCKING LEADERThe worst part is there's actually a pretty easy solution:>We developed Synths as a stepping stone to everlasting life; a body that is genetically human yet still capable of being enhanced both mechanically and biologically - but the brain's interactions with these bodies isn't still 100% compatible yet, which is why we send Synths to replace already existing people, we get better data when the Synth is trying to replicate patterns that already exist. Eventually, we will be able to move our brains into synthetic bodies that don't age, are highly resistant to damage, and regenerate. We will be the next evolution of humanity.But instead it's just "lol dw about it">>739535335Technically they'd be cyborgs
