Why are more and more people being vocal about liking Dark Souls 2? How and why did this happen?
Is this AI?
>>739531919Because the zoomies who first got into the franchise with Elden Ring have been going back and playing the ones they missed, and by the time they get to DSII they realize it's not nearly as bad as all the crybabies made it out to be.
>>739532003It's an edit.
>>739532003Are you AI?
>>739531919Because while it was bad it was also different and that gives people things to latch onto.Also vtubers played it a bunch over the last few years and you'll notice that that's when the real faggots latched onto it hard.
Dark souls poo
people are starting to realize that fromsoft is becoming ubisoft a la assets flips like nightrein and bloated, repetitive games like ER.
>>739531919>dark souls 2 fans are ai jeetspottery
>>739532436I think Dark Souls 1 is actually not as great of a game that niggas on /v/ and YouTube essayists make it out to be and people aren't ready to have that conversation.
>>739531919I never played Dark Souls 2 but it's a shit game
>>739531919Peak souls 2
>>739531919Because peeps are starting to realize that DS2 being the worst Souls game in the franchise =/= being a bad game in general
>>739532830favela tier comment
can i play dark souls 2?
>>739532925is that like a Taco Bell menu item?
>>739531919It's a meme
>>739533017no
>>739531919>How and why did this happen?does it emotionally disturb you when people like things you don't liek
>>739533079damni will delete it.
>>739532032>it's not nearly as bad as all the crybabies made it out to beYeah, I realized it's so much worse than anyone could possibly convey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSoGZa3Hrw
>>739533017yes
Dark Souls II was fucking painful but it felt like far more of a journey than DS3I don't really know why, but I really don't like this about DS3. Despite the map being practically a line it just doesn't feel like a journey.
>>739531919Because a lot of the people who hated Dark Souls 2 played the vanilla version that was dogshit and ignored SOTFS and the DLC because of it.
>>739532762It just aged like milk. At the time it was genuinely revolutionary.
>>739533178oh. okayreinstalling
I never hated DS2, I just didn't like it as much as 1.
>>739532762it's overrated but still good2 is overhated but flawed
>>739533017now that I think about it, no.
>>739532762No matter how bad or overrated you call Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 2 will always be worse than that
>>739533192DeS was an ocarina of time knockoff;ER is a BOTW knockoff.
>>739532003looks like an AI edit to me
>>739533273shit okay then I will cancel the download
>>739532003Yes, it's obviously AI superimposed over >>739532173
>>739533501boo hoo nigga it's ai
>>739531919People are more vocal about it, and in fact Dark Souls 2 is probably one of the most obnoxiously vocal fanbases on out there but they don't actually put their money or gameplay where their mouth is. People can praise Dark Souls 2 until the fucking cows come home, but Dark Souls 2 had roughly twice the amount of peak players than both versions of 1 combined, yet never ever manages to have more players? Why do you think that is? There are hard statistics that show what people would rather play.More doesn't always equate to better, but when these trends occur over such a long term, it becomes more than just a fluke or skewed statistic, it's just a straight up fact. Dark Souls 2 gets heaps of praise, but when it comes time to replay it where did all the fans go?
I liked ds2 despite it's flaws. There's something about it that keeps me coming back every one in a while.But I can't even will myself to play through 3. I've tried several times.
>>739533535I made a factual statement with no inflection, why are you butthurt?
>>739532762Dark Souls 1 is both overrated and underrated at the same time. It is of utmost meaning that it be understood why Dark Souls 1 is the only one of its kind, and the one rarely imitated by soulslikes. It is not merely due to being old. There are games older than it of which people still imitate and copy.
for whatever reason, ds2 is my favorite dark souls game. i don't have a dissertation prepared for the class. i just enjoy my time playing it the most
>>739531919You're making it sound cringe, you stupid tranny!
>>739531919Dark Souls 2 was always good, its just the worst Souls game. I feel like people who got into these games post Elden Ring are either told to skip it or go with what they think popular opinion is and shit on the game because they think it'll make them fit in like a bunch of lemmings. Its weird and Im tired of how common things like this are after the normal fag online boom that was covid.
>>739533773>because they think it'll make them fit in like a bunch of lemmings.Alternatively plenty of people played it after 1 and got disappointed when the strengths of 1 wasn't properly iterated upon and realize that whole there is a lot of stuff that brings mechanical depth to the series and interesting ideas the framework in which the strengths of dark souls 2 lies is so weak that you can't properly take advantage of what the game does do well.Nah... That can't be it ..
>>739533773Dark souls 2 literally outsold 1 until 1 got an HD rerelease. Nobody "skipped" 2.
>we have the best taste and the most amazing game in the franchise and it's so much better than all the other>It's a misunderstood gem that happened to sell over 10 million copies! Nobody player it!>People only think it's a weak entry in the franchise because of YouTubers!!!
>>739531919>more and morethey're the same contrarian kids from 12 years ago, eternally assblasted that their game got shat on
Dark Souls 2 being the highest rated by journos tells you all you need to know
>>739533936>>739534084Im not talking about people who played 2 on launch. Im talking about post Elden Ring discussion thats been poisoned by group think and lacks any semblance of nuance because of the very large amount of people who didnt play or touch a Fromsoft game before 2022.
>>739534516They got the pre-graphical demake due to console limitations at the time. Can't have a game looking better on pc than on a console!
>>739533572What's the rotation on those stupid Return events?
>>739532032
>>739533585It's because 3 is fucking ugly. >first area is dark and brown>second area is dark and brown>third area is brown>fourth area is dark and brown>fifth area is brown>sixth area is dark>seventh area is dark (with under shades of brown)>many places that would be pretty are covered in muck and slime because a huge theme of the game is the world's fall from graceLike I like the fucking game but gawdamn it's such a moodkiller and I've really gotta be in the correct mood to play it. DS1 and 2 have areas that are actually kinda nice to be in, or at least changes the color pallet once in a while. The only area in 3 that's NICE, visually, is Izalith because you've got the burning archtrees and the lake n' shit. Also DS3 has the worst roll and poise system, no matter how opaque Adaptability was. It's really hard to make your character feel actually different to play because of how much they flattened all the nuance out of stuff.
Did they fix the Path Tracing mod, yet? I wanted to try it but it erases so much of the original artistic vision that it looks way worse from an art style perspective.
>>739535246The materials just arent good enough for ray tracing, its going to take years for that. You can try to manually tune each area in the menus.
>>739535310I'm mainly referring to things like the skybox, filters and tone maps.
2 represented a clear drop in quality from what we got in 1, the response had to be drastic to show that enshittifying the series wouldn't fly and that Miyazaki's guidance was still necessary to roll that much shi into a proper game.
>>739532762You literally just had to be there. I would never in my life play ds1 ever again unless they re-released it with the unfinished areas completed, but at the time of its release there was nothing else like it except for demon's souls which was a ps3 exclusive. it was truly a product of its time
>>739531919>Why are more and more people being vocal about liking Dark Souls 2? How and why did this happen?Performative contrarianism
>>739531919I dunno about "people" when you make these threads and talk to yourself every day.
i buck break fans on the reg
>>739532032>things that never happened>only defends DS2 for some reasonKill yourself.
>>739534947i think 3 looks way better than 2, the artstyle in 2 is probably the worst thing about it. not to say there isn't some ugly stuff in 3 and nice looking stuff in 2, but 3 is overall just lightyears ahead in terms of artwork
>>739531919DS2 was a lot of people's first souls game. I don't blame them for being unable to recognize a sloppy unfinished piece of shit. All they knew of the series was that it's supposed to be hard so any nuanced (or lack there of) in design just gets completely ignored because, hey, its supposed to be hard.
>>739533245Same desu. Can still manage comfy playthroughs.
>>739535861>You literally just had to be thereI was there. I remember saying it was the most overrated contrarian game ever and people gave me so much shit about it. The game lost its legs as soon as you got to Sen's Fortress and the game peaked after the Ornstein and Smough boss.
>>739536298DS3 is way higher fidelity than 2, which is completely fair, but 2 has actual areas that I like a lot more than 3. They've got more distinct character imo. Although I'll certainly give you the point that DS2's building interiors are bare as can be.
elden ring is what ds2 tried to be back then. no wonder people can't shut up about both games
Is Scholar of the First Sin worth it? I have the base game and I'm considering getting the dlc for it because I've heard they're great and haven't played them before. Only reason I'm hesitant to get SotFS is because I've already started a character and I'm some ways into the game now. I know Scholar has a bigger player base.
>>739536891>>739536298DS2's biggest issues were how bad the development was (which they had to get a new director who had to duct tape the game together) and the fact that it was still tied down to extremely outdated hardware. If DS2 was developed exclusively for the 8th gen consoles, it definitely would have looked way better.
>>739531919Never got the hate for it, it was always the best for meBut I played Scholar so I don't know if there was something massively different for real. It is my favorite DaS adventure
>>739537041Scholar has morestuff in it. After playing it i'm shocked when i look back at base 2 and see how many things are empty
DS2 is greatScholar however is SHIT
>>739537041Last true Souls game
>>739535892/thread
DS2 has always been peak.
>>739531919Based fucking post. I love you DS2 schizo anon.
>>739532173FF3 is my favourite variation.>>739532762100%, back half is a joke. DLC was too eady.
>>739536967This
>>739537041It doesn't really matter for the dlcs, they're pretty much the same experience. The main difference is that buying the dlcs for the base game will give you the dlc keys in your inventory. In scholar you have to find them in the world first.One of the big issues with scholar at release is that no, it wasn't worth paying for it as an upgrade if you already had base game + dlcs. It doesn't change or improve enough things to warrant a different release.I think buying the base game dlcs costs as much as scholar, so it's really up to you. If you don't care about the playerbase difference you won't miss much.Personally I play the base game for vanilla playthroughs and play scholar for randomizer mods, as the enemy rando only works for scholar.
>>7395362983 has high res textures but is just ugly from the design perspective. Often intentionally so, because the whole theam of Fromsoft at the time was "what if everythign in the world had aids and anemia????". I wouldn't even fuck most female NPCs becuse it looks like i'd catch something from them
Its fun, easy and nice to look at
>>739531919AI slop
>>739532845where do I get this lighting mod
DS2 is good and the DLCs are great but those bonus areas in the DLC will always be bad meant as a teaser for those who didn’t have the DLC will always be bad. Areas purposefully made shit to punish those who didn’t spend money on the actual DLC. DS2 also has a few minor quirks that aren’t in other games and 50% of them are cool and 50% aren’t.
Dark Souls II's bad rep is from weird obnoxious people online defending it.
>>739539458I love Dark Souls II but I hate this gay, retarded psuedo-intellectual faggot.
DS2 is the game i struggle the most to replay because of how boring and rote it is, most areas are incredibly bland or plain frustrating after you walk past the initial prettied up vista, immersion is pretty much non-existent after that and I'm not a fan of the room/encounter structure in general since it feels too gamey with no wiggle room for immersion and setting sensibilitiesI don't think it's a bad thing to enjoy it and to think its a good game but thinking its better than any other souls game is delusional
>>739539680I feel the same exact way about DS3.
>>739539680It's the one with the most open begining, just take a different route. Fucking Aava can be your 1st boss if you realy tryhard
>>739532762QoL makes it unplayable if you already got used to newer games. I can't imagin it not being someone's 1st souls gane
>>739539858I never understood this point about DS2's openness because outside of a few gimmick weapons you're not really locked out of any abilities that would change how you go through areas or fight different bosses whether you fight them at hour 1 or hour 50 besides having higher stats. DS2 isn't zelda
>>739537643>>739538869Appreciate it. I'll probably stick with base, and maybe do Scholar some other day. I'd heard DS2's online was fun.
>>739532762It's uncomplete after Ornstein and Smough. FromSoftware ran out of money
>>739531919Dark Souls 2 was always the better game.
>>739531919All bad games get their apologists who try to rehabilitate the image of the game after a certain amount of time. It is inevitable. The people who disliked are willing to move on after a simple, "It's just bad." But the people who liked it, and have invested a portion of their self-worth into their entertainment and what they enjoy, it is important to them for the game to be seen as an "underappreciated masterpiece." This is why the apologists will always dismiss every criticism, no matter what it is, and will misrepresent aspects of the game, usually making the few good features seem like they are a bigger part of the game than they actually are. The apologists also know this has a good chance of working because the truth is, after enough time, the people they are trying to convince aren't going to be willing to actually play the game and confirm if what is being said is true. Instead the ignorant audience is likely to just accept it, and believe the highly curated "evidence" that the game is good. This assuages the apologists ego, and now they feel the validation they so desperately, and pathetically, desire that of course the game is good, because there is no way they could enjoy something that is janky, or bad, or just not the best.
>>739541082Yeah it's a shame ds3 was so bad
>>739532032this is me, I played Elden Ring first and then went through the souls games.so many people told me to skip 2, but it's actually much better than 3 imo.
>>739539259It's the path tracing mod on the Nexus
>>739541247many thanks friend
>>739541082>All bad games get their apologists who try to rehabilitate the image of the game after a certain amount of time.Name me one example that isn't Dark Souls 2.
>>739532762Most of the qualities people attribute to Dark Souls came directly from Demon's Souls, it's not on the level of vaguely inspired or prototype ideas but 1 to 1 features and mechanics. What people really aren't ready to discuss is that the first half is overrated.
>>739541338NTADS2 not a bad game. But let's ignore that for now. Please notice how people pretend to like Armored Core now. In fact, I'm willing to bet my right testicle that if FS decides to re-release Ninja Blade now, with just slightly upgraded graphics and intact gameplay, people would treat it like the 2nd coming of Christ.
honestly ds2 has its issues, but i got a split mind on it. on one hand it's a really neat king's field successor as a dungeon crawler, creeping through weird and nonsensical places and inching progress out step by step in a frankly relentless game. on the other hand, it started gank squad nightmares and an overreliance on twitch memory/reflex boss fights beyond anything else, encouraging rollspam or cheese, and that just sorta became the souls standard and i fucking hate it.
>>739541559>Please notice how people pretend to like Armored Core nowThere's always going to be posers in any community who want to fit in and have stolen fandom valor. That exists everywhere. Besides, Armored Core VI was a strong title that was highly rated. The very early AC games were good too>I'm willing to bet my right testicle that if FS decides to re-release Ninja Blade now [...] people would treat it like the 2nd coming of Christ.Yeah, of course they will, if it's good.
>>739531919Because with hindsight, people realized DS2 wasn't actually the literal spawn of satan, just kinda mid.It can still be fun, but it does kinda suck as a followup to DS1.
>>739532032>play dark souls 2 again for the first time since original launch>all the jank hitboxes are gone>shockwaves practically nonexistent >even enemy strafing toned down dramatically>shrine of amana cunts no longer snipe you from outside render range>can now use a ring to pause your soul memory, co-op characters no longer have a finite lifespanIt's simple, they aren't playing the same dark souls 2 I did
>>739540019Difficulty of a given area scales with how much levels you sunk into your stats/equipment, so places are harder the earlier you go to them and the less options you have. Which means you might have to pay extra attention or get cretive in places you'd 1-shot your way through if you came there last instead of first
>>739541770>and an overreliance on twitch memory/reflex boss fights beyond anything else, encouraging rollspam or cheese, and that just sorta became the souls standard and i fucking hate it.you literally cannot do this in 2. BB started this but it worked for that game given the pace, and 3 continued with it in the wrong way
3 is the worst game of this type that they've made by far, it's just boring and ugly reheated leftovers of 1. the only people who suck it off are the bandwagoners that jumped in with that as their first rollslop.
>>739531919they actually played it now
>>739539458>keep attacking it>noooo you cant defend it
>>739544629H Bomber Guy's "defense" was just critiquing Dark Souls 1. It's a two hour video of pure "whataboutism."
>>739531919DS2 is still the best souls game, only redditors and troons say otherwise.
>>739544773no idea who that is but hes allowed to show the predecessor is guilty of doing a lot of shit ds2 gets flak for while ds1 gets a pass or is even praised for doing the exact same
>>739531919>more people>Ai slop
>>739544975>no idea who that isThen maybe don't join in a conversation about this shit? You really are a DSII fan. God.
>>739545018>youre just supposed to know who that random noname eceleb isnah
>>739545062Yet you're in a conversation about him. Shut the fuck up. You don't have to be involved in everything.
>>739545094uh no? im in a conversation about your written post not the reaction image
>>739545117Which is about a guy who made a "defense" of Dark Souls 2. Which you haven't watched. So you don't know what you're talking about. You're just being a faggot wanting to get the last word in.
>>739545172i dont need some random guy on youtube to know about the games strengths and weaknessesnotice how youre still trying to force the conversation to be about the eceleb because you cant express opinions that didnt come from one
>>739531919can't play ds1 remastercan't play ds3can't play elden ringmy potato pc can only handle ds2.and in ds2 i shall stay.
>>739545397What kind of potato can run DS2 but not 3?
>>739545306So then have a conversation about that rather than sperg out over a topic you don't know anything about.
>>739545432>So then have a conversation about thatare you ok? youre the one who sperged out when i did just that instead of talking about the eceleb
>>739545490I made a post talking about obnoxious people rabidly defending DS2 gave it a bad rep, and I pointed to an e-celeb who I felt embodied that. Then you decided to shove your fat gut in, any proclaim to not know anything about that e-celeb, or his defense, but you REALLY want to get into an argument with me anyway. You truly are a fucking Dark Souls II fan.
>>739531919Dark Souls, and many fromsoft soulslikes, are formulaic in nature. They're great games, but in terms of innovation, they prefer refining pre-existing conventions over innovating. Dark Souls 2, for all its flaws, had many innovations that haven't been done (or done as well) for the remainder of the series. Many people liked to shit on B-Team, but letting someone other than Miyazaki take the reins has resulted in some nice things (I wouldn't say objectively better, but things that Miyazaki doesn't try out.) Nightreign is similar, too.
>>739545559you still havent made any point about the game itself
>>739545617The conversation wasn't even about the game. It was about the people around it. And you proved my point.
>>739545643average dark souls 2 hatercant even say anything about the game. just points to ecelebs
>>739531919zoomer contrarians who started the franchise with elden ring desperately cling to DS2 because liking something universally accepted as dogshit and developing a victim complex over it lets them pretend to have a personality
>>739545676Nah, now I'm pointing to you, someone who didn't know the subject being spoken about, but wanted to join in and add your opinion anyway for no reason. You know what I might call that? "Obnoxious."
>>739545717>dont talk about the game>talk about this ecelebs personality >not even his talking pointlol
>>739545772Yet you felt compelled to reply to a post about said e-celeb, while not knowing anything about it, which is simultaneously derailing this entire thread, because now we're just talking about nothing. You're desperately trying to change subject, and get me to get into a debate about Dark Souls II overall, since you know you're embarrassing yourself on the actual conversation at hand.
>>739531919It was always good. Best pvp in the series, best sense of flow in the seriesMost frustrating start, too, but once you're over that hurdle it's pretty much Flow State: The Game which is the ideal thing to have imo
>>739545772>>739545857you're both faggots
>>739545857>if youre here to talk about the game youre deraling the threadcool but im still not watching your ecelebtry forming your own opinions
>>739545930I made a post about how people online obnoxiously defend the game, and used a popular (bad) "defense" of the game as an example. You have now spent over 30 minutes running in circles in a conversation about this with me. On a subject you apparently don't even care about, or know anything about. That's pretty "obnoxious."
>>739546043>attack the game and its defenders while having nothing to say>if you defend you are obnoxiousim sure thats how it works in your mind
>>739546209You know what's funny? I didn't even attack the game. Look through my posts. I have said nothing bad about Dark Souls II itself. Just the fans. Continuously you prove my point. You are an obnoxious twat. It's very funny.
>>739531919zoomers are obsessed with ragebait
>>739531919cant you let this game already die , dork souls posts on a daily basis , so tiresome.
>>739546290because you have nothing to say about it. you made that clear a while ago
>>739546340I don't need to say anything about it. I made my claim here. >>739539458 You then jumped in, claimed to not know anything about the review in question I was alluding to, and then really wanted to get into an argument with me regardless. That's obnoxious.
>>739546390so youve been seething for an hour in a thread about a game you dont want to talk about because a random guy i have no desire to know about defended a game you have nothing to say about and his so called defense consisted of saying how ds1 does it toodid I get it right?
>>739532762>and I'm here for it>and that's a good thing>and that's ong diddy blud frkill your whole family you empty hole of a being
>>739532032It's a pleasant experience when compared to Dark Souls 3. Maybe it's because I hate miyazaki, that guy is a cunt who remade his first videogame ten times in a row and people love it.
>>739546528No I've been enjoying myself watch an obnoxious Dark Souls II fan continuously prove my point that they love to defend the game obnoxiously.
>>739546642defend it from what?
>>739546745Apparently someone, somewhere, may possibly have alluded to not having totally positive thoughts towards Dark Souls II. This warranted you getting in an hour long tantrum towards me.
I never finnished DS2. I've done like 3 playthroughs and I couldnt get passed the big knight guys in the dlc. Actually, I did once or twice but then was despaired to see a boss at the end of it. On my last playthroughI realised then that I had to use different infusions, but I just couldn't be fucked at that point, I had burnt myself outI might give it a go again. Try for a 4th time. Fuck it
>>739546906youre the one who has been seething because i dont care to watch about a video on the internet that you dislike because it draws parallels between the predeceasing game
>>739546906Give it a rest. He is right, you are wrong. You can stop now
>>739547137why dont i get a (You)?
>739547153Because you don't need one, you hungry (You) whore
>>739534658>Im talking about post Elden Ring discussion thats been poisoned by group think and lacks any semblance of nuance because of the very large amount of people who didnt play or touch a Fromsoft game before 2022.You are crafting a boogeyman nothing. There has never been fucking nuanced dark souls 2 related discussion since fucking launch kid
>>739547042I critiqued Dark Souls II fans as being obnoxious. You have spent over an hour arguing with me over nothing. I think that speaks for itself.>>739547137Why exactly is he correct? Articulate yourself.
>>0739547178if you put a 0 before the post number you quote without a reply appearing above the post
>>739547203Actually I meant to reply to him, not you>>739546745for you >>739547137
>>739538731>Carried the rest of the series>When DaS2fags say every game before and after 2 is worseYeah some carrying you got ther4
>>739547260Oh, thanks.
>>739533247it's bit more complicated. release 2 was bad. dlc and scholar patch made it good. but then scholar re-release made it bad again.
>>739547241Thanks for the (You)
>>739541447I played DeS last (after Elden Ring) when I first played these games a couple of years ago, and it's absolutely insane how hard DeS shits on all the other games in the series.>>739532762Dark Souls went from a really good game to a Gmod map showcase, I actually don't understand why it's jerked off constantly by faggy youtube essays and praised by everyone and their grandma.FromSoft games are all incredibly overrated though, it's not just Dark Souls.
>>739547203your only critique of ds2 fans was a guy on the internet talking about how ds1 also did similar thingsyou have no stance
>>739532003it's not Al anymoreit's DUNK
>>739536298This and also the game's artstyle was all about fighting in a dead world, we literally witness the end of the world, and the RIGHT ending is letting the fire die out, Miyazaki doesn't like sequels anyways, he said it himself, but after the shitshow that 2 was he had to end the IP on his owm terms, nowadays DS2 is not as bad as it were, but that's because there are more options on games to play. That's pretty much it. Hopefully the rumored remake does 2 justice and stops embarrasing itself outside the DLCs, those were alright.
>>739548596Unless they finish the cut content it's not gonna become good but that's a different game at this point
>>739531919They actually played it, and can now form their opinions instead of parroting what their favorite 90 IQ streamer had to say. I've played through it 4 times, first on release on the 360, then with DLCs, then twice Scholar. It's the best game Fromsoft has ever made, and alongside Dragon's Dogma (though mostly thanks to Dark Arisen) they're the only games that have fully caught the Wizardry style spirit of adventure outside of older turn-based dungeon crawlers. We live in the age of roll and parryslop thanks to this game's relative failure. There is a timeline in which instead we received an endless stream of kino adventurer games, and that keeps me up at night sometimes.
>>739546608>remade his first videogame ten times in a rowAnd what's wrong with that?
>>739531919Cause more and more people actually played it and realized it's actually pretty good.
Which Dark Souls game do you enjoy replaying the most?
It's about time for my yearly DS2 playthrough. Think I'll do magic this time.
>>7395488053 as 2 is crap and 1 has Bed of Chaos which alone deters me from replaying that one
I don't care what you think about DS2 you can say it's the GOAT or the second worst game ever made or anything in between and those are all valid opinions but anyone who says ds2 is worse than ds3 is legitimately a subhuman
>>739545397you could probably play ds1 ptdealso based for not playing any games with those mods that make them look like minecraft on lowest render distance, why even bother playing the games if the experience is so compromised
>>7395488053 by itself or modded. You can always enjoy a good overhaul mod from time to time.
>>739531919Dark souls 2 was incredibly liked on release. The idea that it was hated is an extremely interesting part of internet “history” because it’s a good case study on how novelty and format can amplify a certain idea’s memetic properties.The reason why dark souls 2 gained its fake reputation as being bad IS because le epic video essay critiques, but that isn’t actually the whole picture. The reason why isn’t because the video essay critiques themselves individually, but because, at the time, said video essay critiques were actually a novel idea when applied to a video game.It was basically THE genesis of the video essay takedown when applied to video games, or popular media in general that wasn’t an absolute behemoth (something like Star Wars) and it ushered in a new type of content creation. Before, critiques had a comedic slant to them, often using skits, an exaggerated persona as the critic, etc. It’s just a fascinating part of internet history. The superior “meme” is the one that lasted, the critique format itself, rather than the idea presented, that of dark souls 2 being le bad. Dark souls 3 was their best selling game in the series at that point. That doesn’t happen unless the previous installment is well liked, if it actually garnered serious negative reception it would have greatly effected 3.
>>739547585Dunccachino?
>>739535892Performative contranianism is pretending dark souls 2 is bad, you do not get it, your e celeb faggotry is not consensus
>>739548805Built for Yamato men.
I bought SotFS on sale some time ago and I've been playing for around 20 hours. Not only is the game pretty great and doesn't have anything fundamentally wrong with it like I've been led to believe, it also makes some parts of DS3 look comical the way they over"corrected" things in that game.>REALLY good world and level design, I can currently move in around 5 different directions in vastly different looking regions, level design is nicely complex, the game's scale already feels even grander in scope than DS1, to say nothing of DS3 being a literal hallway>NPCs are super interesting and likable and Majula is comfy; I had a KINO moment when I encountered the head of Vengarl>huge amount of NPC phantoms and invaders is soulful as fuck>setting seems fresh and unique without making too many overt connections to DS1, like a Soulslike sequel should be; it's fucking stupid that DS3 suddenly has all these direct DS1 connections when DS2 was already so far in the future that only bits and pieces of knowledge about DS1 remain>bosses and boss runbacks are the only major weak point so far, the bosses don't feel complex compared to the post-Bloodborne games but some of the runbacks are a huge kick in the balls. I'm fine with getting vaporized by titty pyromancers while exploring a level but the boss fights seem underwhelming in comparison so far
>>739531919>Why are more and more people being vocal about liking Dark Souls 2Zoomies who played it when they were 8 grew up. Any sufficiently old franchise will ALWAYS get Zelda Cycle'd by NPC nostalgiafags. This is also why Halo 3 gets glazed so hard on /v/ despite being mid as fuck in every respect besides custom games.
>>739551158The NPC quests in DS2 sucked ass. Oh yeah Lucatiel tell me more about going hollow when you literally have a human effigy in your pocket. Blacksmith bro spends the entire game whining about his missing daughter who's 50m away from him selling rocks. Nashandra who's master plan is 1v1ing you after spending the whole game making you her errand boy for all the chores she's too weak to do herself. The sequelization/setting/story of DS2 is also bullshit. They start the game by telling you that the way to cure hollowing is by hoarding souls and hitting SL813 which is flat out wrong. You've got a bunch of weird shit that makes no sense like lord souls getting reincarnated every time you link the fire flame, yet somehow Seath and the Bed of Chaos are still alive. There's the same amount of memberberry content between DS2 and DS3, like Catarina and Astora sets, Ornstein coming back, Manus's daughters driving the plot, etc., with the only difference being that in DS2 the narrative is simply "mayhaps we'll never know what happened here... It's all a curse... Without really knowing why... Kehehehehehehe...">A direct numbered sequel to a franchise shouldn't advance the story of the firstThis is a stupid ass opinion.
>>739551158>I'm fine with getting vaporized by titty pyromancers while exploring a level but the boss fights seem underwhelming in comparison so farOn the alcove above the boss entrance are two illusory walls. One of them contains a bonfire.
>>739551158I played the hell out of it. My favorite in the series. I love exploring and this one make it feel like a journey especially with each area being visually distinct with nooks and crannies every which a way. I'm very curious about the OG DS2 and how it compares. I'm planning to pick it up next sale.Love Majula. Love the Emerald Herald.
>>739551563>"mayhaps we'll never know what happened here... It's all a curse... Without really knowing why... Kehehehehehehe..."That is kinography thoughever
>>739549691>That doesn’t happen unless the previous installment is well likedYeah, Bloodborne was and still is beloved.
DaS2 always had the best DLC.
>>739536298>DS1 an illusion>DS2 looted bare except for the painting(for a reason)>DS3 everything is fully furnished 100 gorillion years into the future for some reasonGreat pic, explains fully how DS3 completely missed the point of the original series.
The abysmal mocap and hitbox shit, somehow being put on top of the stellar formula that was already established, is just such a buttfuckingly hard pill to swallow.It's fine in most ways, great in some, but every moment is a bit handicapped by the gameplay feeling like chinese bootleg harry potter obama sonic backpack.It can't possibly have been any easier to do that shit from scratch, and there was no hypothetical good reason for doing so, yet there it is.
>>739553601To even get to Drangleic castle you need to obtain an ungodly amount of souls or kill four godlike beings. The castle is fully furbished with soldiers, golems, traps and other amenities. The idea that it could be looted is stupid.
>>739548805Does Bloodborne count?
>>739531919Tourists. DS2 was disappointing.
>DS1 hipsters were for years just telling you to 'git gud' believing that circle strafing around slow enemies and stacking poise was challenging gameplay>from makes DS2 believing their audience is hardcore >retard fanbase throws a hissy fit because enemies follow after you and fogwalls dont have iframes
>ITT DS3 babies pretending to be soulsvets
>ITT DS2 babies pretending to be soulsvets
I play it for she
>>739552540Ironically Bloodborne is now being exposed by people that didn't need to cope they wasted money on a PS4/non FIFA brained retards for who BB was their first real video game that are playing it on shadps4. It's without a doubt From's weakness souls game but >Kos, some say Kosm xD le epic babby and ayylmaosis just too compelling apparently
>>739532032>zoomers trying to make their own identity by going against what their uncles all think because their culture is nonexistent
>>739557337Nah, you're just getting psyopped.
>>739557337truet. bought the bloodbornestation and was let down
>>739531919contrarians want an internet fight.This applies to both people that are very vocal about liking and disliking DS2
>>7395573372/10 because you got me to rate your post
>thought it was fine when it came out>enjoyed my time with it>didn't get all the hate>now people are claiming how great it was>i am become the contrarian hipsterGame's fine, always was. It was just different. I don't know why people lost their shit so hard when it came out.
>>739551158unironically the interesting part about the bossfights is often reliant on not leveling ADPDS2 first playthrough had the most fun fights in the franchise for me when it came to the best ones, like sir alonne, smelter demon, fume knight, ruin sentinels, among others. Dodging and rolling through their attacks is infintiely more interesting because the game actually expects you to evade instead of roll. Theres a lot of cases where you gotta look at the enemy attack animation and decide whether youre dodging left or right, or backwards, or...If you level ADP they become a lot more uninteresting, they become just generic souls bosses but kind of slow and without as the creativity of early ds1 bosses. At least up until DLCs.However the problem with not leveling ADP is that ADP doesnt only do i-frames. So you will have pretty slow item usage for the whole game if you dont level it up. On the flip side though you do get a lot more to spend on your actual stats
>>739557337>From's weakness souls gamederivative shit 3 exists and the gap between it and any other from game is measured in light years
