Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTE (or even Forza Horizon 6)?This has been a big topic around here (I mean in Japan, not /v/).Here are some relevant yappings you can Google Translate.https://note.com/ukyousan/n/n81c966daa16dhttps://note.com/shira_game/n/na02a3682ce72
>>739535967>Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTEBecause these games are made on the backs of disposable chinese workers paid less that livable wage, they literally through thousands of bodies at the wall to make them. Something like that wouldn't fly under japanese law.
>>739536358>Something like that wouldn't fly under japanese law.I dunno, wouldn't it? I'm a foreigner, (working from home today, so you have me here yapping), but when I go to the office, I can see people remaining quite late (mainly older generations, fair).
>>739535967>Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTE (or even Forza Horizon 6)?Because they are simply incapable of making them. They are still stuck in the 2000s culturally and technology wise.And even if they had the competence to make such games they wouldn't bother anyway since their corporate executives see no point to it anyway when they can just churn out low quality slop and have the cattle otaku masses buy it anyway.Not too mention companies are basically worshipped over there and higher up executives see themselves as untouchable and infallible. It's how you can have delusional retards like that SE top say shit like they should have made Genshin when he would have vetoed that project faster than the speed of light.
>>739535967>Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTE (or even Forza Horizon 6)?Because they make good games instead.Forza might be good. I don't know, and I'm not very interested in yet another car game. Ananta and NTE are dime-a-dozen Chinese games probably attempting to be a mishmash of a bunch of Mihoyo games.
>>739535967Not enough budget. Simple as.
>>739536358lol it's even worse in Japan with their black company culture. The disposable chinese workers is just an excuse.
>>739536513>their corporate executives see no point to it anyway when they can just churn out low quality slopthis applies to those same chinese gacha games btw, lord knows why you're singling out japanese games in this regard
>Why can’t Japan make gacha????
>>739536358Sure thing, buddy
>>739536358The korean could make mongil (not open world but close). The korean have half the population, half the marketsize, and higher average salary, yet their output mogged japan
>>739535967People still spend top money on puzzle & dragon and fate goWhy would they make higher budget game when they can coast on old 2d games and cheap ip games and rake in all profits
>>739536619Big, high production open world gacha action game.Not a turn-based PNGs mashing against each other simulator.
mobileshit is the japanese AA industry, they bow to the market but completely fail to recognize that people will funnel money into better games made with the same monetization as fucking umamusumeits why shittier japanese games just look like mobileshit, but also why you only see anime getting trash gacha tie-ins rather than one off games 90% of the time
>>739536619why cant japan make something comparable to fortnite or LoL? genshit is shit but its a huge chinese soft power icon comparable to those
>>739536673>america stopped the on hundred years warL.O.M.a.O.
>>739536603Last time I checked only the Japanese are still making 2d turn based autobattlers. And most of them are IP slop anyway because why take the risk with and original IP when you can just an established one.Say what you will about Chinese gacha but at the very least they almost all original and have actual effort being put into them.
Why can't chinks make anything other than gacha garbage and soul slop?
>SEAfags itt actually want gacha games to become their own AAA industry instead of keeping them in the small budget hell that they deservei've never seen a golem breed be any angrier than in this moment because they're not getting milked hard enough like cattle. gamers truly deserve the wider industry that trickled down from this garbage
>>739537229seanigs want more AAA gachas because they don't drop money on them but they attract significantly more whales and lolcows
>>739537208Lost Soul Aside wasn't Gacha Slop or Souls Slop.
>>739537321It was a complete flop that took like 10 years to make and nobody cares
>>739535967Because it would cost so much more if they want to be original about it. Which those japs would want, regardless of the result.
ITT: 100% Retards
>>739535967japs are megajews when it comes to funding any kind of productionyou will only get shoestring budget projects and you will rike it
NTE got polished up a bit but I think I was right to follow my gut instinct to not even try it after seeing it was from the ToF devs. There's just something about it that reeks of mediocrity despite having some nice bells and whistles and no 50/50. I think part of it is the character designs, which they have also recently committed to butchering post release. Their knock-off dollar store Hoyo patch stream was so funny how they casually dropped>Also, you can not have male and female companions in the same house.With no further explanation.I'm hoping Ananta will just be a better NtE that is worth trying, but I really can't tell what their plan is. They seem to be pouring more into the MC than you'd expect for a character gacha, but they still have unlockable characters. The fact they're just cramming in ideas from 50 different games is already a redflag, but something about the last few trailers has me curious. Are the devs/publishers green or red flags for Ananta?
>>739537476I'm extremely sure that their voiceover was AI generated but I can't prove it
>>739537229Gacha is literally immune to wokeness and DEI. If the game is fun, has cute girls and is entirely free while still being AAA tier what's not to like? And compared to what western AAA offers, gacha is leagues better.The fact you can't grasp such a simple concept leads me to question who the real golems are in this case.
>>739535967Both those games model their city after Tokyo, so doesn't matter, does it? Funny how the Chinese aren't proud of their own cities kek.
>>739535967because japanese devs are retards and fell behind on the big tech revolution. mecari was the first big jap tech company and that was all the way back in 2013 which was way too fucking late.
>>739535967They knew gachas are the sloppiest of slop but retards will dump money on them without thinking so they only give it lower budget like uma musume, idolmaster, or fgo
>>739535967Why change when low effort garbage like Uma or FGO still make millions per month ? If the customers are willing to put up with it, the developers have no need to change.
i dunno, Japan used to like racing arcade games. They just really handled the transition from 2D games to 3D games poorly and never recovered their footing.
Japanese games lack polish. Look at Bandai and CyberConnect2 and Compile Heart, studios that have been running for decades and still can’t get the right budget for things.Then again, China can’t make single player games because they lack any knowledge of game and level design. They only know how to copy really good looking boss and character animation sets. Japan have no budget, no workers and boomer boss culture. China can’t make original gameplay systems to save their life. West still browsing Troon.com he/him in the mail. Remember that the entire 3D gacha space is built on the back of Breath of the Wild.
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>>739536358>Something like that wouldn't fly under japanese law.Didn't Fromsoft use hundreds of Indians for Elden Ring?
>>739538490No.
>>739536358ESL or retard?
>>739537089No, just both world wars and the Cold War. You're welcome.
>>739535967because slave labor is illegal in Japan
>>739537476These things are designed like fucking vtubers: desperate to stand out so they add a million different accessories and all end up looking the same because there's no anchoring element or theme to their designs.
>>739538423>China can’t make single player gamesJust from the top of my head:AI LimitAwaken: Astral BladeAfterimageHardcore MechaWuchangWukongRabi-RibiThere's probably a lot more. Just this https://store.steampowered.com/curator/32768202-Games-from-China-and-Taiwan/ already has close to 200 entries and then you also have the myriad of live service games that are basically single player games or very close to them.
>>739538957how many isekais start with the MC dying to it though
>>739535967>Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTE (or even Forza Horizon 6)?Japan makes shit games all the time, wdym?
>>739535967Why can't China make a game like Pragmata or Sam & Max Hit the Road? Why is it always bugman grindfests with malware?
>>739539014Rabi-Ribi was made in Taiwan, not China.Wuchang and some others show there are talented game developers in China, but even won't necessarily make something good when they're expected to make a ZZZ clone instead.
>>739535967They can make dogshit games, thankfully they often don't.
>>739539162because that's what their audience want. they are easily impressed with shiny open world with anime characters
>>739536673Is it wrong? Do you know a single thing about history? Europeans have been slaughtering each other since books were invented. It's America that forces those little countries to behave today
>>739539236>Rabi-Ribi was made in Taiwan, not China.It's the fucking same. They are all chinks regardless on whether you acknowledge Taiwan or not.
>>739539389This isn't semantic. I wouldn't raise an issue about saying something made in Hong Kong is made in China even though that's technically not a province of China. Taiwan and China have completely different governments. Taiwan hasn't been very close to China for more than 100 years, and the government of China throws temper tantrums even being reminded it exists.Some people moved from China to the United States. That doesn't mean the US is the same as China.
>>739536673Europe literally owes its entire existence to America. Stay mad, eurotroons.
>>739539861lol the only reason you are not still UK's slaves is because France decided to meddle.
>>739536415Japanese workers have notoriously bad time management.
>>739537748>AAA tierInherently impossible if your game is a f2p live service slop on a very short patch cycle.They can pump AAA money in but the output is still the same generic low quality ajrpg.They story is always utter nonsense past the initial patch cycle and it's plagued by character bloat and no intention to ever let the story deliver a satisfying ending.
>>739535967Japan makes good games instead.
Not a Japanese game in sight
>>739538490In the 8 minute credits roll for elden ring, indian names are on screen for a grand total of 15 seconds.
>>739537748It's also immune to being good.>B-BUT THESE OTHER GAMESDon't care. And they're probably still better than daily skip sim #237
>>739540585You're fucking delusional mateGenshin and all the other Chinese 3D gachas all shit on western AAA titles. It's absolutely fucking possible.
Why would you want them to? Modern Japanese games are already garbage but they're still better than gacha slop.
>>739541057>Best mobile game awardYou people should be laughed off the board....oh and Reddit screenshot, I guess.
It's natural to get tons of haters when you're on top
>>739541329>It's also immune to being good.you are the only one who thinks this breh
>>739541429Nta but chances are he's been here longer than you if you're still seething about reddit in 2026 even though hiromoot explicitly said they were welcome ages ago.
>>739541408lol no
>>739541057>best mobile gameThe paralympic awards.
>>739537093tfw Tribe Nine died so Kaiju 8 or whatever it's called could be a turn-based IP-slop game.
>>739537093>originallollmao
>>739541334If you think that revenue somehow means quality, then I can see where you're coming from.Literally any AA generic jrpg is a better overall experience than those chinese gachas but your monkey brain will not let you see past the psychological trap of ritualistic daily logging and dopamine rush from gambling away your free (or whaled) pulls.I feel a little sorry for people like you.
>>739536358Ah yes, the famous respect of Japan for work rights, kekLook kid, Japan has been dragging behind in the game industry for the past two decades. They stagnated with their png gacha games and 3DS visuals and now China and Korea are eating their cake
>>739535967Speaking of NTE...I need some money, money. Money's all I need.
China has not originality or soul, but they were able to fill a niche that Japan refuses. Anime (and part of japanese culture) is enjoying an all time-high popularity, and since they have the manpower (China is basically a giant factory) they can pump out anime ""games""" and profit from said niche.That said, their games and design philosophy are just an inferior copy of japanese ones, and China (neither Korea) will never take over the anime bubble because it's japanese to its very core.
>>739541784Can't you just pay up with real money to level up?
>>739541726They literally have no established IPs to fall back on retard. They can't coast on the billions of manga and LNs out there like the Japanese can.>>739541671>Kaiju 8That series turned to shit so fast even though it had so much potential. Even that gacha is close to EOSing.
>>739536358hotta is a meme gacha dev and yet they managed to make an open world anime game that the japs love enough to keep it at the number 1 spot on playstation regularly for the past few weeks. jap devs really have no excuse.
>>739541784isn't that zzz interface?
>>739541820They took over the anime game bubble though.Meanwhile Japan keeps making those horribly dated anime arena fighters wasting all the potential from their most popular manga/anime licenses
>>739541769Even ignoring the revenue argument, those games are still objectively better than 99% of western slop. You're either on some western company's payroll or have been living under a rock for decades if you deny this objective truth.>I feel a little sorry for people like you.
>>739542075>Meanwhile Japan keeps making those horribly dated anime arena fighters wasting all the potential from their most popular manga/anime licensesWhich China keeps buying? Do I have to remind you which country in Asia is the largest consumer of japanese-made games?
Cus japan has been fucking behind for the longest time in the gachashit league, everything has to be from some bigtime franchise backed by by greedy corporations who are trying to cash in on the popularity of the franchise while following the most godawful successful gacha format, FGO. Why fucking spend money on animation and gameplay when they're selling popular characters, sexy pics and voice actors?
boy, sure it smells like /gacha drama general/ in here...
>>739535967I don't know about gachaslop, but why would they bother with Forza Horizon? They already have Gran Turismo which is miles better imo.
>>739541562>Guy slandering japan for not producing enough mobile trash>On a website made to discuss Japanese otaku culture>chances are he's been here longer than you
jap games just don't do shit like this anymore.
>>739541784Weekly reset is in two hours so you're in luck, soon anyway.
>>739542162>Which China keeps buying? Do I have to remind you which country in Asia is the largest consumer of japanese-made games?Which is funny because the reason japan only shits ot shitty anime games is because they keep trying to appeal to westfags instead with not anime troon coded trash instead.
A lot of these Chinese gacha wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are now or even exist at all if Japan wasn't retarded. How many of these Chinese games exist solely because Japan refused to publish them outside of Japan and/or refused to make them? The best example of this is Azur Lane. It literally only exists because Japan is retarded.
>>739542397>china only dominated anime games because japan is retardeduh, that's the point bwo.
>>739542280Not enough inter-gacha shitflinging.
>>739542294>Gran Turismo>japanese https://x.com/Mideefe/status/2058444027796550029
>>739535967No nip company has the budget or workforce for those kind of gachas.
>>739542323He's not the one still seething about reddit in 2026. Stop larping already you wannabe oldfag.also>slandering JapanHoly bootlicker. Are you perchance also a Nintendo fan?
>>739535967Before you ask this question, you should first ask why Japan is not capable of making more games like Uma Musume and Gakumas.
>>739537748>Gacha is literally immune to wokeness and DEI.Nah, a chinese gacha I played ran afoul of whatever government oversight games have there and suddenly all the cleavage was censored and it went from "china was wiped off the map years ago" to "did we mention china has been rebuilt and is super cool"
>>739541467Nah that's a pretty common thought when you don't have a gambling addiction.
>>739535967Japs have an issue with publishing and localization. They're still in that mentality of oh we'll release it in Japan and only Japan then if it succeeds we'll port it over with a huge time gap and shaft the "global" server. Which leads to them making smaller scale titles and inevitably a shafted global release.chinks and Gooks have it down already release the game worldwide asap and collect money, because no server gets shafted and the home server doesn't get to hold the devs at gunpoint for exclusivity rewards, just the fact that the game has a SYNCED patch notes is a huge selling point to modern gacha games, and it shows. proportionally, global players spend way more often on Chink and gook games then they do japs.
>>739538463Those are some unusual-looking 3d racing games
>>739542512Never claimed to be an oldfag, just pointing out it's retarded to assume the other guy was here longer. >Are you perchance also a Nintendo fanThis thread is filled with gachafags, it's a compliment here.
>>739542476What does the movie have to do with anything?
what china lacks in soul or originality they make up for manpower and budget. they can basically saturate the market, giving the sensation that they are dominating the place.their games suck however, and the gameplay is just a side chore to the gacha, the chinese "game"'s main mechanic.>>739542280indonesia and singapore really need to rangebanned from accessing the site, i have never seen such chinese dickriding from them.
Complacency, faggots, and faggoty old people. Old devs refused to learn any new techniques so now they've fallen behind in everything ranging from 3D animations to project management. Any proteges studying under them learns jackshit because there's nothing to learn. Then you got the fags in management who cockblock fresh but risky ideas that could blow up in favor of "old shit but worse." Now you got an entire industry full of oldheads who don't know how to make games anymore (like Nagoshi), people emulating said oldheads because that's how they were taught, and boomers who are too afraid of doing anything so nothing ends up happening. Obviously this doesn't apply to every JP company, as Capcom and FromSoftware seem to be doing fine. Japanese games nowadays are just eurojank (not an insult) but slightly better. Soul but painstakingly low budget, and even low effort some times.>>739542397>>739542639This too. It's also why they can't do live-service correctly. Gooks were already on that shit DECADES ago.
Japan either needs to catch up with the rest of the world, or kneel to the chads who pirate their slop. They can't stay behind and get angry at people that won't spend for their garbage, when China can sweatshop better games in a year.
>>739542560That game's dev is notorious for scamming and rugpulling. They lied to the government as to what was actually in the game while pushing the line as far as they can. And instead of laying low they provoke everyone left and right because MLfags are mentally ill. But the tipping point was when they had the bright idea to collab with the fucking GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES when they collabed with the national post office.That the game was allowed to return at all is a miracle.But you know this isn't even the first time they fucking pulled this shit. This company's whole M.O. is churning out ML bait that pushes the line as far as possible, put the games on life support when their mental illness gets them caught and then move on to the next game.
>>739542717>indonesia and singapore really need to rangebanned from accessing the site, i have never seen such chinese dickriding from them.Both Indonesia and Singapore have the largest chinese diaspora in the world.
>>739542623Again it's just you breh
>>739542904Hating gacha is one of the most common views on not just /v/, but the internet in general.
>>739542798anon isn't talking about your game, you retarded schizo
>>739542656>This thread is filled with gachafags, it's a compliment herelmao called itOfcourse it's a tendie
>>739542904That's not me though.
>>739535967They probably think that return on investment into such games in domestic market isn't going to work out or they're just not feeling in trying to compete over this field since they've been beaten to the punch a while ago.
>>739542980>Frogs and jacksAnd just like that I WIN.I didn't buy a switch 2 btw.
>>739535967They have stuff, just not necessarily overtly anime (or mobile shite). I think most AAA releases this year will be from nips. Ninty, Crapcom, questionably Fromsoft, whatever.However I do feel like there's less jap games competing around the mid-low budget sectors. Or maybe they're just not translated or something. Kinda sucks.
>>739543105>western slopHey look, it's half the gachafag posts ITT.
I actually watched a video on this subject the other day. I think it's just some guy translating the articles the OP linked, I dunno.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoQeIfKW9WEBut basically there's no one single reason for it. It's a lot of different reasons. And Japan more or less has no chance of ever really competing in that market anymore. They'll just keep making westernized versions of their 20+ year old IPs like Final Fantasy and Resident Evil forever, because that's all they can do and people still slurp it up.
>>739537208Domestic market has spent the last 25 years perfecting the hypermonetized F2P live service model. They forgot how to make single-player games.
>>739537208even gooks are better at variety lmao, atleast they have crimson desert
>>739543226the high budget, high profile games are a lost cause, and even the AA tier come pre pozzed by japs that think that's how you sell to the west. china has the ccp censoring anything too sexy. korea is the only one left and even then they still have to censor at times.
>>739543226The only Japanese-made game I'll touch in the coming years (since they burned me with Tribe 3 months) is KH4Not like they can make anything half as interesting even though I'm fully prepared for the wild ride to crash and burn, since they had to cancel Missing Link
Believe it or notThe Japanese Gacha market is more then happy with literlly just PNG collector games with Auto battlesSo why try harder when you can make money with no effort?
>>739543332korea is the gooner gaming futurechink losers just bend over like a little pathetic cuck everytime ccp knocks on their door every single time
Both Enfield and NTE were supposed the heavy hitters of this year, but you barely heard of them outside some petty drama caused by their schizophrenic chinese fanbase.
>>739543434They're both massively popular in Japan.More so than pretty much any of their own games.
>>739543358>So why try harder when you can make money with no effort?Because the Chinese government is literally funding a gigantic campaign to essentially hijack the entire anime aesthetic to manipulate youth across the entire globe. This shit has actual political implications but I guess I'm just a silly nigger
>>739543539>hijack the entire anime aestheticlol good luck bro, nobody watch their garbage donghua and manhua
>>739543539>That whole postYou seriously need to stop going to that board
Retards in this thread seem to completely ignore that Japan has Nintendo, Capcom, From, Squeenix, etc. They don't need to catch up; they have more tech and skill than most devs in the world. They just don't put money into gacha games because gacha devs in Japan were historically tiny studios working on "smaller than portable" budgets. Mihoyo, in comparison, is a mega-corporation that has three SEGAs worth of staff, all of whom work on four games around the clock. Mihoyo is one of very few large Chinese devs, the only other being Tencent, a company with more staff than Sony, Microsoft, Google, or whatever else. You're comparing tiny indies to megacorpos, equate them to Japan and China as a whole, and wonder why the numbers don't seem to add up.Meanwhile, the actual quality of these mega-expensive gacha games is fucking terrible. I say that as someone who plays a ton of them. Genshin's pacing is absolute dogshit, most exploration is uninteresting, most characters don't do anything interesting, etc. HSR is even worse. Out of everything Mihoyo does these days, only ZZZ is still somewhat interesting, but even they are forgetting their own initial pitch and becoming more and more generic. Gacha mechanics turn these games into an endlessly running slop that won't ever have an actual ending, where you just collect dailies, grind shitty late game number checks, and hope that the next patch won't be a chore.Literally nothing Mihoyo has ever made compares to Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter, a quality game you can just buy and play, with no gacha dogshit, made on a fraction of a budget with a fraction of staff. That's how real video games are made.And the worst part to me is censorship. Everything made in China is censored, and it's only getting worse. Remember how Mihoyo had to hastily rework their entire new region in HSR, including recoloring all of their sakura trees piss-yellow, because of the CCP? That's how you know they won't ever make anything not castrated.
>>739543589The kids literally jerk it to fucking Genshin porn>>739543594Please be more specific Jinping
>>739543385what do you expect the chinks to do, nigga? they live an authoritarian country.
>>739543510Also, outside China, Japan is their only relevant market.>>739543539China will never take over the anime culture because their products are very derivative from japanese ones. They will always exist within the bubble created by japanese anime culture.The only chinese thing about anime games made in China are its developers.
>>739543614capcom and from are the only players in the arena, and they don't make anime games.
>>739543539Well it ain't working because the only one that people remember is Solo Leveling, and that's because Sony made and shilled it hard. I'm actually surprised Lord of the Mysteries had no staying power though, because that one seemed like the one that would break through the mainstream in the west.
>>739543698yeah and guess what language genshin is indoes that name sound chinese to you? what chinks does is helping nips spreading their weeb trash culture, thats it
>>739543736That's the problem, you're only talking about anime games as if that's the only thing Japan makes. But even beyond that, Japan still makes plenty of great anime games, way better than anything you'd see from China or Korea. You just ignore them because they're not gacha games.In reality, you're not talking about Japan as a whole, or even Japanese anime games. You're talking about gacha exclusively.
>>739543930Wasn't that game kind of shit? Probably better than any gachaslop but still...
>>739543829I sure love my Chinese government funded video games being released inside of Japan day 1 with a full Japanese localization and dub while anyone trying to do business in china first needs to have anal sex with the CCPnothing suspicious going on here
>>739543930That game killed the entire franchise
>>739543930>Japan still makes plenty of great anime gamesThey don't.>way better than anything you'd see from China or Korea.That bar is so low it might as well not exist.
>>739543614>Retards in this thread seem to completely ignore that Japan has Nintendo, Capcom, From, Squeenix, etcAll hasbeens who cannot make good games anymore or can only make the same shit over and over again. Didn't read the rest since it's not worht reading anyway if you're already starting off with glorifying shit companies like those.
>>739544084Because you said so?
>>739535967It is weird that japan has to rely on the UK to make a big budget driving game about japan. That's something polyphony should have been doing. Instead they are making the same ps2 game they always have.
>>739544103>chink desperately tries to ignore the existence of Resident Evil because he know his country could barely shit out a couple of Unreal asset flips before going back to copying anime
The tantrum over Taiwan also revealed that China's anime soft power barely hangs from a thread. Considering that anime culture is already looked down for being japanese, the moment Japan does something that the CCP considers a provocation will be also the moment that the CCP will crack down on anime in general.The reason the it gets (begrudgingly) tolerated is because it bring some decent dosh, but having to fund the spread of japanese culture over the chinese one, with the money of the chinese people must be a very painful humiliation ritual.
>>739543614I mean the topic of this thread is why can't Japan do anime gacha like chinks do in addition to what they have now? It's pretty obvious that they DO want some kind of gacha or live-service game (which will just be gacha in the end) considering Bamco funneled tens of millions into that fucking abortion Unknown 9 and Poo Protocol, not to mention their like 5 failed Tales of gachas. Square Enix has also made numerous gacha games which all flopped Why can't the big guys like Square Enix and Bamco do something big and rake in the billions in cash that they're just leaving on the table for chinks to grab? This is a rhetorical question by the way, the answer has been posted numerous times already. It's because japs are stubborn and complacent faggots who refuse to adapt, instead relying on "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Which works until it breaks, then they're caught with their pants down.
>>739542280It's not /gdg/ without the occasional BA/Wuwa seething
>>739544170No, it's because Square Enix in its entirety would have to stop all their operations and focus entirely on developing a single gacha game to compete with how much resources Mihoyo puts into Genshin. Did you think a game like that appears out of thin air, and doesn't require hundreds of playtesters alone? No one's gonna fucking do that. What they want to make is something cheap and portable, which is a shit idea at the time when the mobile market has fossilized ages ago, there's no money to be made there.
>>739544158Come manFucking SE. Seriously?
Realistically speaking, how hard it is for Fromsoft to create a gachafied version of Elden Ring?
>>739544272Square Enix right now has fewer employees than Mihoyo, and they have to be paid a liveable wage too.
>>739536513The corpo culture in Japan is comically ossified, it's an immovable object where everyone is expected to worship and obey their superior and never question them. If you know Warhammer fantasy lore then the Japs are pretty much exactly like the dorfs who take a thousand years to adopt a single new idea and even then it's considered new and suspect. It's such a stark contrast with how the doujinshi culture in Japan is teeming with creative energy and passion.
>>739544281It's impossible for them.They are STILL using assets from like what 20 years ago?
>>739544281Why would you ask something so disgusting. Gatcha is a genre built exclusively around monetisation, every shit company on earth already does this, from is one of the only ones who succeeds because they don't.
>>739535967What are you actually asking? Why doesnt japan make shitty chinese gatcha slop? They do. Why don't they make big budget games set in japan? They don't make big budget games at all because that has caused the entire western game industry to collapse. The only real question here is why gran turismo is so ancient feeling compared to forza but this is a 20 year old question that has been asked since forza motorsport 2 or 3 .
>>739543758>I'm actually surprised Lord of the Mysteries had no staying power thoughim not surprised at all, after watching reading both of their stuff, gooks are just better storyteller than the chinksthey got mogged hard by sololeveling even after all that boasting about how china is going to take over the anime industry, absolutely embarrassingchina is only good at making gachaslop
>>739535967Japan already makes a lot of censored dogshit to appeal to feminists and westerners just like NTE, though?
>>739543614Only Capcom and From are making good games anymore
>>739544281They don't have enough people, unlike the people republic of china
>>739537748>Gacha is literally immune to wokeness and DEICan't imagine saying that when every gacha has dipped into some safe horny western faggot mental illness fetish, like fatslop or musclehomo trash.>b-b-butNo, I don't care about what any of you faggots who engage with that cancer, in any capacity, have to say. You're all closeted faggots.You can't show me a single one that actually engages with traditional female beauty that doesn't end up raped by censorship or this homo garbage.
>>739543930Tales is a terrible example. The Tales franchise is dead, with only 1 new game in over a decade, the rest just being half-assed ports and dead gachas. Even Arise wasn't that well received with how the game went downhill after the 5 lords.
>>739535967The last time Japan tried making a big budget world exploration-focused gacha it bombed and got shut down within three months.
>>739535967They would be prohibitively expensive to make but they're backed by the Chinese government. They invest an otherwise unsustainable amount of money into these games because their goal isn't necessarily to make money but to disrupt the global gaming market and cement China's foothold in it. It's a blue ocean strategy of creating a bunch of games that are simultaneously AAA budget but free to play, and it's paying off for them in spades. Even IF Japan were to attempt to make games like them, they're already too late and won't be able to capture the same audience again.
>>739544778>gooks are just better storyteller than the chinksMarginally so. Solo Leveling is not a good story by any stretch of the imagination.
>>739545359There's something fundamentally fucked up with Jap devs, they shit out a million gacha games every year but pretty much all of them die right away and 99% are utter shovelware with a popular brand name designed to leech a few retarded whales before vanishing into EOS. Even if they succeed or at least survive the Japanese devs are hideously lazy and unwilling to support their games, in non gacha games too as soon as the game is out they just sign out while gook/chink/taiwanoid devs keep on supporting their shit for years with updates and content.
>>739535967Lack of time, lack of money, lack of interest in the outside world. It's an insular and overworked society, which was fine before the internet but is causing them to be stagnant now. Extends far beyond gaming too.
>>739538998That's gacha characters in general.
>nips>elden ring>MH>FF>RE>silent hill>chinks>gacha slop like OP mentioned>black myth wukongIs OP retarded? Are you asking why the nips don't make gachaslops instead of making good games?
>>739535967Japs don't have the workforce required to maintain an open world live service game. They took 6 years to make BotW 2.0, imagine if Genshin took 6 years to release Inazuma. Live service model simply doesn't work if you can't work fast enough
>>739545990>silent hillAnon the last SH game was literally made by Chinamen
>>739541239Elden ring is an indian developed game
>>739543614Mihoyo wasnt a mega corporation before genshin hit it big, they were just a couple of dudes making games about their waifus.
>>739545508It's funny how>you can't compete with communism in a capitalist societyis a popular criticism now. I thought governments meddling in business was a bad thing, now it's apparently an unbeatable strategy
>>739544170Cute PC-98 girl. I'm sure she gets plapped good.
>>739546115My bad then, but my point still stands. I'm not saying china can't make good games, they did with wukong, but OP is highly retarded when he only considered gachaslop lmeow.
>>739543614>Everything made in China is censored, and it's only getting worseI feel the same way about Japan. People are complaining about Chinese lack of bikinis but DD2 cut out lolis entirely, bikini or not
they make final fantasy, atelier, tales, xenosaga, etc games so why would they need to make nte
>>739546242This, thank god Taiwanese and gook devs are still at it. Look at Endless Alice for example, no fucks given with reverse bunnysuits. Meanwhile Japs made sure to nuke Senran Kagura to the ground.
Why is genshin's story so goddamn awful? Mihoyo is not some indie companies, they can afford to hire the best of the best out of 1 billion prospects. How the hell is the story still so fucking bad?
>>739544170Nightreign aside, Sword Art Online Fractured Daydream had what it takes to compete with gacha and even PSO2 but it's basically dead because 3 month update cycke lmao and all hands at DIMPS are on fucking Xenoverse 3. I hope Echoes of Aincrad goes over well with a lot of people so that I can get another 10 years of above average JRPGs (.hack//ZERO aside).>>739543614What appeals to me for Chinese gacha is mostly animation quality and a lot of anime games are closing that gap now, like Trails in the Sky 2nd Chapter, for example. Atelier Yumia was cool, and FuRyu is FuRyu. If the games can look super pretty and grab the attention of total normalfags, things will work out. They just need the necessary support even though things kinda suck right now.
>>739546526Considering the quality of the animations of the Trails' remake, which were made with not even the 1/100th of the budget of chinks gachas, gives me hope for the japanese industry.
>>739546242Good.
>japanese games suckchinese gachas are very dependent on them to draw new players tho.
>>739546189They were already a mega corporation by then; their big hit was Honkai Impact 3rd. Genshin just made them balloon to the point of building their own nuclear reactors.
>>739546326>Meanwhile Japs made sure to nuke Senran Kagura to the ground.That was Sony, not Japan.>>739546326Gooks are not much better; their feminist schizophrenia rivals the West. Also, you will never see actual hentai produced in Korea, because porn is forbidden there, like China.
>>739546801lmao is it still 2020 or something? chinese porn is on the rise and korean porn is just heavily regulated like china. Maybe it's because both countries have government internet?
>>739547331I'm talking about drawn porn, hentai. Nothing will ever compare to the Japanese doujinshi scene, because no other country in the world has the same freedom of expression.And even talking about 3DPD, of course either China no Korea will ever compare. Their industries are entirely underground, their governments would never allow anything to become too popular, especially in China, where they even jail softcore porn makers. On the other hand, Japan's porn production makes even the West look like vanilla bitches, in both scale and variety.
>>739545871Mainly chinese gachas. Older JP ones weren't as awful with this.
>>739547434>because no other country in the world has the same freedom of expression.Save for them jailing you and finding you, bare minimum, the equivalent of a few thousand dollars if you miss one pixel of mosaic.So that's pretty cucked.
>>739547710Couldn't be any more reductive if you tried. No one gives a shit about mosaics, it's everything else that matters.
>>739547823A lot of people give a shit about mosaics, especially the Japanese, since they risk jail time and hefty fines.Keep handwaving any valid criticism of a populace forced to bend over and spread to their big daddy gov, though. Oh, disregarding the continued censorship of their porn industry by the west, mind you. Fantia just cucked even harder on censorship in an obvious bid to reach out to Global Markets™. Watch them make it easier to use visa and mastercard on their platform in the coming months.
>>739548006>muh mosaics>valid criticismSo what's the other possible option, chink? Does your fucking shithole produce anything not AI-generated? Does Korea? Of course fucking not.
>>73954619499% of these games flopped. Tax payers have to put up with the bill, but the Chinese never complained on where their tax is going anyways.
>>739548110>wahhh you are teh bugmanThe fact that glazing retard cocksuckers like yourself don't realize Japan is closer to bugland than any first world nation with "obscenity" laws and their rigid enforcement of them would be fucking hilarious, if it wasn't for the fact how utterly blind and sycophantic it is.Good job completely dodging>Oh, disregarding the continued censorship of their porn industry by the west, mind you. Fantia just cucked even harder on censorship in an obvious bid to reach out to Global Markets™.>Watch them make it easier to use visa and mastercard on their platform in the coming months.these points btw, since they shit all over your "JAPAN IS TEH LAST HECKIN' BASTION OF BASED REDPILLEDNESS!!!1!!!" narrative that hopeless retards love parroting ad nauseam.Mind you I regularly shit all over gachatrannies for supporting chinese dogshit, so find a different boogeyman.
>>739548586>no one even mentioned bugmen, but he still started projecting>still couldn't offer any other option because he knows Japan is the best>only keeps talking about how Westerners are trying to destroy it, as if it's not the Westerners' faultYup, chink.
>>739548685>no one even mentioned bugmen, but he still started projectingYou good, revisionist retardGOD?You literally just claimed I was your bugman boogeyman last post lmfao. Seems you're throating teh based redpilled Nipponese cock too hard. Slamming it into the back of your throat so hard that it's rattling your brain, faggot can't think straight.>couldn't offer any optionWhy do you think I'm calling them a cucked people? The implication is that you should stop being a cuck.This isn't rocket science, I don't need to write out a thesis for you, do I? Stopping the abuse you get from others is a pretty simple thing. The root cause is in plain sight, it's not like you're figuring out how to treat some new disease or something.>muh west's faultIt's both.Japan is equally at fault for pursuing "global markets" and whatnot, dipshit, to the same degree that the west is commanding them to do so.Good job dodging the points again to continue handwaving with your boogeyman, anything but even entertaining the thought of good faith discussion with your hopeless weeaboo dumbfucks.
>>739535967Nooooo, you don't understand kisama! Muh tradition of making shitty 2D Fate auto battler!
>>739548996Keep going.
>>739535967Stagnant/ Declining economy. Been this way since that one bubble popped.
>>739549153>can't even muster a reply nowMind you, nikke is one such piece of shit I've been in threads dunking on.The tribalist lunacy is amusing, I'll admit. So utterly asspained.
>>739542639And if you don't buy the games they go "Look, gaijin piggu don't buy games, they only pirate!".
>>739535967Who cares. Gacha is a disposable garbage genre anyways and shouldn't even count as gayming. The acceptance of gacha, even on this website, made me loose my faith in humanity. At least japan is still producing some normal games though
>>739549294>the chink admits he comes into gacha threads just to shit them upKeep going, and maybe one day Daddy CCP will allow pink trees in your games again.
>>739549343they're right though? They compare sales with the japanese market and paying sjw localizers isn't worth it for poor sales
>>739542639Japan has been global releasing all their big titles for a while now, and they've all been self-censored dogshit because they let tranny localizers act like the final arbiters of what character designs, theme, dialogue, etc. are allowed in the games.>>739549437Damn, you're almost as buck broken as your beloved Japs.Keep it up, any day now they'll stop putting body type trannyshit in their games, adding faggot romance in series that never had it, letting men and women wear each others clothing, and putting their women in burkas. Directing all that rage at bugmen instead of them, willingly, engaging in all that cancer will certainly fix it.>still no response to them cucking even harder on porn censorship because of visa/mastercardlmfao
>>739549604>the chinese rage keeps growing>brings up women in burkasHow very ironic.
I don’t get the appeal of gacha
>>739549750Holy shit, what the fuck did they do to Asuna
>>739549771>good>free>onlinepick all three
>>739536358Fpbp
>>739535967For some reason they're only capable of making menu based gacha games (FGO, GBF, Uma Musume etc.), guess it isn't that surprising due to their love for turn based RPGs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ble4ulv5qSs
>>739549771People are retarded and fall for gambling and waifus, even if the actual game is shit
>>739549750Yeah, bugmen are just as cucked as Japs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prPT4Zucf9UMind you, this was (keyword) a series for men, with very obvious "male gaze" outfits, but nearly all exposing female armor is gone, or the dudes can wear them now. Oh, sorry, the Type As* can wear them now, after you're lecture by mystery meat tribal people.Good ol' Japan!Modern Crapcum wouldn't even dare push out something like this again, lest they upset their rabid westranny fanbase they adopted over their domestic audience.
>>739535967>there are 1 bazillion chinks>CCP has money to burn>their slot machines target the most widespread machine ever: mobiles phones, meaning that even thirdies get to try these shiny chinese casinos disguised as games>rides the trend of what is popularfigure it out
>>739549604Just shut the fuck up, Chang.
>>739550063Another post completely ignored so he can attack his boogeyman instead. Epic, epic, epic.Mindbroken.
>>739549750this picture is making me angry
>>739535967>NTEYou mean a game that flopped because it promotes black culture?A game that only westoids like? Lmao
>>739550006>wouldn't even dare push out something like this againLike what, a woman with huge tits? You mean like this? Truly, chink, modern Capcom could never. Do you wanna see how she was censored in China, by the way?
>>739535967They're too worried someone would pirate it
>>739535967Nips are simply too slow to the market, have no "fuck you" tencent money and/or billions of unpaid insect hive workers.There was effort to make a high quality one but out of all the Hoyo garbage they can pick to copy, they chose HSR for the Madoka gacha.
China's inability to innovate means that they will burst their own anime gacha bubble eventually. Way too many clones and more to come, with no signs of slowing down.
>>739535967Not sure why you bother bringing up Forza here, but the articles say correct things, and I agree with them. China's strength lies in scale - they hire thousands of developers and pour infinite government resources into development to make gigantic games, but they also only make F2P PC/mobile games. Japan is the opposite - their strength lies in smaller, meticulously designed console games, as well as strong IPs. China can't compete with them there - China has no IPs worth a damn, and their console games were mediocre at best, could never compete even with Capcom's normal output.Gacha games are just not a priority for Japan. For them, gacha is something salarymen play on the subway during their commute, nothing more. Meanwhile, for China, gacha is literally their entire gaming industry, and also their entire cultural export. Unimaginable money goes into it, so obviously no one can compete. But do you really want Japan to invest tons of resources into fucking gacha games when they could be focusing on the next Dragon Quest or Splatoon? Leave it to China.
I dunno why jeets have to bark each other about chinks and japs when we all know censorship is pushed by jews in their attempt to make us consume blacked or yuri porn.
>>739550529yikes
>>739550518This. What's worse - gacha has a very limited audience. I play three Mihoyo games already, and I'm not gonna even try NTE simply because I don't fucking have enough time to grind so much gachashit every day. These games are insane timesinks, they don't ever end, and this issue only compounds the more gacha games you play. You could, of course, only play them once in a while, but then you're not getting new characters, and characters are always the heart and soul of any gacha game, they don't offer much else.
>>739536358holy cope do you think chinese game devs are in a fucking gulag?
Unfortunately while the world are getting away from DEI and woke bullshit, Japan actually embrace those because they always being taught that everything that came from the west are good. Plus their "nail that sticks out gets hammered down" culture where you can't be different or risk of getting canceled neuter their ability to create new, exciting things. This is why games that came out from China, Taiwan, or South Korea feels more Japanese than the japs itself.
>>739550801>This is why games that came out from China, Taiwan, or South Korea feels more Japanese than the japs itselfLearn English first, chinaman.
>>739535967Because 10 year old flash game FGO still hangs around the top and is STILL the king of gacha in japan, why do all that when you can sell PNGs?
>JAPAN IS DEI WOKEI have the feeling that I have seen this third world ESL monkeybabble somewhere else already.
>>739550801>while the world are getting away from DEI and woke bullshitCan you send me an invite code in your world? Because mine definitely don't do it.
>>739550204Her tits are smaller and SF6 is the most western + tranny pandering entry yet. If it didn't have those caveats Mai wouldn't have even been allowed in.Good job ignoring everything else once again.
>>739549519Because they don't put a modicum of effort into marketing those games to the international audience who wants to play those games. It's why the chinese are raping them in the industry.
>>739550949Is one of the largest vidya corpos pushing body type trannyism, letting men and women wear each other's clothing, and having a faggy twink in rainbow colored furfag adjacent clothing somehow not pozzed?
>>739550518hoyo games will survive because theyre gamefreak of gacha, low effort slop for millions.Kuro Games seem to be the leading force in gacha innovation with wuwa and PGR so they will likely survive, even more so since Tencent is backing themgfl2 company will likely survive too, for some reason theyre allowed the kind of fanservice thats only ever seen in snowbreak but snowbreak already got kneecapped
>I have the feeling that I have seen this third world ESL monkeybabble somewhere else already.Because you're talking to the bikini schizo, the gachatroon's final form.
>>739550968So you did wanna see? Here you go. This is what your government demands from anyone entering your market. This is why you will never compete with Japan's freedom of expression, no matter how hard you try to pretend otherwise.
>>739550529https://note.com/irvisions/n/n23eeba0bf749Though it's a different point.
>>739550992china literally has nothing except gacha games while japan is half of the industry
>>739551104Heckin'-based-repdilled-never-cuck-to-western-troons-and-DEI Japan did this to her, though?>Actually, the design for Mai was changed dramatically this time with her ‘rider’ costume. Considering the timeframe, we had perceived Mai becoming a bit older and hoped to establish a new image for Mai.Sterilize everything for westoids that hated your series forever, and everything about you and your culture. So based!!!!11!1111!!!!!!!!!!
Bro your Mario Kart 8 ?
>>739551431>did thisPut her in an alternate costume that was rolled back after backlash from the fans? Truly, it is the exact same as the fucking government demanding to paint her black and remove all jiggle physics.
>>739551431It's an alt skin you fucking schizo, her original outfit is in the game too
>>739551527>that was rolled back????????Fucking retard lmfao, you're not even a secondary, this is tertiary behavior.>da gubmintAs opposed to the will of the WEF trickling down into Jap media, adding in literal tranny pandering like crossdressing, homo relationships, removing "male gaze" shit to appease feminists, etc., etc., etc.?Gigantic investment firms are their arms and are effectively on par with a government anyway with the power they have over these mediums. They're on par with mafias and they do the same protection racket bullshit, some even get government gibs for engaging with the DEI cancer too.>>739551629It's her default skin in COTW, retardbro.
>>739546194>muhg communism>muh capitalistsgovernments inherently are the biggest capitalists
>>739551726>As opposed to the will of the WEF trickling down into Jap media, adding in literal tranny pandering like crossdressing, homo relationships, removing "male gaze" shit to appease feminists, etc., etc., etc.Your people really love this tactic - equating some /pol/ conspiracy theory about WEF and the feminists to their actual government actually putting people in prison for making softcore porn and forcing gaming studios to cover everything head-to-toe in the name of communism or some shit. Because these two things are totally the same.They're not even trying to convince normal people as much as themselves, because they hate thinking that they live in a country that actively hates anime and everything Japanese, suffering their existence only because they're not important enough to get gulag'd. So they're desperately trying to paint this fake world where Japan is also totally bad and totally jails people for wrong reasons (usually bringing up one or two fringe examples while ignoring the entire history of human rights violations in their own country) and will totally be taken over by the evil tranny feminists orum created by the evil Americans, so only the great China will be the shining beacon of anime (unless it gets banned, but again, they try not to think about that). It's a hilariously false dichotomy that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.Here's the truth, chinabro. Japan produces the best porn, drawn or otherwise, and will keep doing that. They produce the best video games. They produce the only anime and manga that matters. This will never change, no matter how much you salivate at the thought. Japan knows what it has, and no matter how much you, or any Westerner, will try, they won't stop doing what they're doing. At best, you will just make them shut you off, like what Kei Urana did after finally getting nigger fatigue on Twitter. And I really hope they do shut you off.
>>739535967Japan still has its pride to make a proper single player games. Even if it become uninspired shit in the end. Gacha is not a video games
>>739552438>group of elite who all get together and do cult shit and openly talk about treating the common man like cattle and fucking with them isn't le doing anything le badOkay retard lmfao>these two things are totally the sameYes? There's tons of heads of state that are part of the WEF, as well as those leading in the economic and tech side of things. Every major corpo has DEI cancer talks, just rebranded to "Bridge" or some other long winded, but still DEI themed bullshit at the end of the day, and it all trickles down to even smaller corpos.That includes vidya corporations, by the way, in case you can't put 2 and 2 together which seems to be the case.Disregarding feminist outcry causing tons of media series and media in general to shit the bed for the last 12+ years, of which you retards still act like wasn't a big deal. Must be nice plugging your ears and closing your eyes all the time.>some unbelievable schizophrenic bullshit about propping up china, stillI could upload a video of me shitting on a picture of Xi and you would still cry out "C-CHINK!!!!", let's be honest here nigga. You're as braindead as that one Nintendo schizo who says the same shit, and there's a decent chance you're the same faggot/know him. Very similar posting styles, very similar disinterest in actually discussing anything, just immediately defaults to "C-CHINK" spam when challenged in any capacity.>the best pornOf which is being actively encroached on by the west. Still censored tags, despite having their own payment processors now.>the best video gamesSame deal. Troon, homo etc agenda garbage out the wazoo.>anime and manga that mattersAnime is all censored dogshit now and manga is not far behind if the trend continues. Way too many large, western corpos with their claws sunk into the former's medium, like FagflixAlso, I'm glad you completely dropped that shit about Mai Shiranui too, since you were totally wrong as you're an uninformed faggot. What a fucking blunder kek
>>739535967niggapan is dying
>>739537951Retard hoyo bought a fucking nuclear reactor and now they're investing billions into aiNips have absolutely nothing on hoyo you fucking slurper
>>739541429>>739541643>d-doesn't count!kek keep coping
Gachas are video games. Get over it already.
Why does this type of thread topic get the exact same schizos everyday who repeats their bullshit all the time.
Japs seem to hold a solid position that gacha is cheap, expendable shovelware that deserves no effort to devote to. Chinks meanwhile specialize in mass produced cheap garbage and have resources to throw around so they can afford to risk making somewhat expensive shovelware.
Damn bros, did I make a mistake by learning Japanese, moving to Japan and living here for almost a decade now?Does the future belong to China?
>>739553818>muh agenda>two more weeksChina will rise again. One day. For sure. And while that's happening, I'll keep consuming Japanese content, while you keep seething.
>>739535967Large companies are stuck iterating on older business models and genres while small companies and creators don't have the resources
>>739554260t. schizo that makes this same post every day
>>739535967making huge AAA or AAA-like games is a big market risk because you're putting a lot more time and money into something that could easily fail.china massively subsidizes game development as part of their efforts to break into and dominate various global markets and this has only increased over the past like ten years. this is a huge edge when you're making a game that carries a lot of risk; it's why they're able to produce so many big games.japan doesn't subsidize game development to this degree, so they don't have that edge. moreover, japanese corporate culture is known for being more traditional, slow-moving, conservative, and risk-averse. even in corporations known for trying to innovate more frequently like nintendo, it's usually just one or two business units or even just a couple of teams that are flexible while the rest of the corporation is still very typically japanese.this is why a lot of japanese games tend to be small- or medium-scale productions and even the huge, well-known franchises are usually slow to change and adopt innovations from modern gaming.
>>739554665>japan doesn't subsidize game development to this degree, so they don't have that edgeCope.The fact is, Japan used to make good games and now they don't. Only Capcom and From release anything worth playing.
>>739535967My personal understanding is that the Japanese boomers in charge of most companies aren't willing to go all in on a mobile game like China does which is why Japan completely lost the mobile game market despite being the ones whom really started it.The younger staff want to, but the boomers still see Mobile games as they were in the 2010s. PNG games that you make a quick buck off of then EOS it.
>>739549771Gambling, porn, live service (particularly the old World of Warcraft kind). It's 3 flavors of addiction. Asians in particular gobble that stuff up because they have more money than time or brains.
>>739549771gacha games are free to try and come in a variety of genres, typically the gacha itself isn't the appeal but rather the underlying gameplay (for genshin that's exploration, puzzle-solving, and teambuilding)
>>739554742>Japan used to make good games and now they don'tNintendo exists
>>739555036>nintendo
>>739536358>disposable chinese workers paid less that livable wage,so the chinese are copying japanese salarymen?
>>739535967the domination of china and korean gacha over japan is really a sign of how old fashioned and rigid japanese corporate and investment culture is, not to mention their focus on japanese market and profits over everything elseyou think profit squeezing in america is bad, it's nothing compared to Japan
>>739554742>Cope.it's a fact that china subsidizes their game industry much more heavily. it's weird that you call it a cope when i went on to immediately explain that japanese corporate culture is just as big of a factor in their stagnation, though.>The fact is, Japan used to make good games and now they don'tthere are still a few good ones that come out, but overall the trend is downward, i agree. it's less a question of why are they worse now and more why were they so good in the 90s and 2000s. probably still rolling high off post-war investment into the economy if i had to guess, but i don't know enough about that time period in japan.
>>739555210I think part of it is that the internet was still growing so Japan's total insularity was less of a handicap than it is now. Now everything gets a lot of exposure and everyone has more of a chance to learn from others. First it was the west and now China's joined in as well.
>>739549426how do you look at genshin impact, honkai star rail, zenless zone zero and ananta and act like they're the same genre
>>739549426Low IQ logic. Opinion discarded.
>>739535967Gran Turismo is better than Forza
>>739550628do japs even use steam? All the twitter japanese players I see played forza on xbox or even that stupid cloud service firestick or whatever
>>739555524Gacha as genre is like different than RPG or Roguelite. Despite not describing the core gameplay in question, it's just as appealing as it is repulsive to people, and fans of those don't care what the core gameplay is. I've barely seen any lifelong JRPG fans actively enganging with Star Rail and far less action game fans giving two shits about ZZZ. You won't be seeing many GTA fans messing around with Ananta either despite the 13 year drought.
>>739535967They can’t really make good games anymore period.In that case what I would do is start adapting their light novels into games. If I were Kadokawa and was losing to Chinks what I would do is make rpgs out of light novels. For example something like Witcher 3 which is basically just a visual novel. Witcher 3 doesn’t really have anything innovative in terms of pure gameplay but it has excellent worlbuilding and the writing is decent. For example Crimson Desert has 0 plot and it makes 0 sense but it has some pretty fun things in terms of open world. The japs won’t be able to beat that.In that case japs should just capitalize on things they’re good at. Take a random slop light novel and turn it into an RPG.Simple as.If you can’t beat the chinks and gooks via money, animation and gameplay then try writing because everyone and their mom knows gooks and Chinks can’t write just look at LOTM it’s just another cultivation slop with a different paint.What japs are good at is writing better characters and stories compared to chinks and gooks. If they don’t utilize that, gap between them will just keep growing.
You wouldn't geddit
>>739557643>Yuruse, Sakiri...
>>739541429Wheres your grand aaa game that isnt shit? Oh right there is none. No aaa or aa game does anything right nowadys. Meanwhile gacha games actually update on the regular and make money.Unlike blast havers and the like.
>>739535967Japs have never been known to be hardcore PC gamers that care about fidelity, graphics, FPS, and other such things. They like simple things since their lives are already difficult enough, simple things like turn-based.
>>739555524Action game and RPG are different genres that will appeal or ward off different people. Still, those gachas all have intentionally piss easy main gameplay and then side content that you either spend forever on to complete or go get stuff they're charging real money for to make it easier. That's an immediate turn off for most.I'll also say that Ananta isn't out yet and might not even be a gacha so a lot of those points don't apply to it.
>>739550518Chinese gacha bubble comes entirely from the fact that China invented the swapslop combat system. Keep coping>too many clonesYes people who don't play games think that Endfield and NTE are literally Genshin, I know. The only thing they share is the swapslop system
>>739559232Honkai 3rd Impact seems to be the first instance of the action combat system every Chinese gacha is copying. That was very directly a copy of Bayonetta, even starring a girl who summons big hairy limbs out of thin air to attack with. It would suck to play Bayonetta on a phone, so combat was heavily simplified and you'd take a few characters into a fight so there was more reason to try the character gacha.
>>739538463>zinDon't these mother fuckers know that nobody has used kunrei shiki for like 30 years?
>>739549604not for gacha games. and ya that's another issue they let western "localizers" do whatever they want its like the neglectful retarded parent who goes here's my kid do w/e you want just remember to pay me my cut.
>>739535967>Why can't Japan make a game like Ananta or NTE (or even Forza Horizon 6)?>This has been a big topic around here (I mean in JapanBecause America and Israel Jews have been raping japan for a century now
>>739542904No dawg, you're just some poorfag who has to justify their free games. Gacha is a sickness and that's the largely universal opinion. People who defend or fund these companies are just gambling addicts who are in too deep and have no perspective on how much money they've sunk in.
>>739535967Lack of infrastructure for it. Companies that make these sorts of gacha games make them EXCLUSIVELY. A single game has a good several dozen people tied exclusively to it until EoS. Japanese companies weren't built with this in mind.If you want a Japanese company to make an open world gacha, they need to set up an entire new division who's gonna work on nothinb but that game, ideally for five or more years. More than that because these games are meant to run at least a decade.
>>739535967because they're based and don't need them.
>>739536358holy mutt
>>739559682It looks cooler so it's okay.
>>739543164Gaming is healing *butt shot*
I always blame Japanese corpos for how slow everything has been over there. They're acting extremely complacent and slow while technology has advanced really quickly and they don't even try to catch up. All of the passion is stuck in smaller projects and indie stuff as usual while they spend millions on stuff like Forsaken.Square Enix doesn't even put any of the money back into FF14 which has basically been their only profitable game and it's still stuck with PS3 infrastructure and spaghetti code. It's incredible how backwards they can be
>>739544281it's not a gacha but you've already seen what live service souls slop is. shouldn't be too hard to extrapolate the rest of the way
>>739537748>I LOVE FOMO JOB SIMULATORS WITHOUT THE PAY OR HEALTH INSURANCE, MRPHPMRMMMRRRM I FUCKING LOVE KIKE COCK IN MY MOUTH>followed by "The fact you can't grasp such a simple concept leads me to question who the real golems are in this case."these brownoids cannot be real
>>739539376Silence, parasite slave.
>>739540304The empire that ran the UK now runs the US and has done for the best part of 110 years.We are all vassals of the banking empire.>>739536358>CHINA IS BAD, BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE OKAY!>OFFERING CONSUMERS VALUE FOR MONEY AND UNDERCUTTING WESTERN MANUFACTURERS IS BAD!
>>739539376Euros find the most asinine reasons to deny the fact that American hegemony is litterally the single greatest driver for peace and prosperity in the modern age>but muh Israel, muh UkraineTwo wars in the last decade, yes, America isn't perfect, but none of you retards will ever acknowledge all the wars that were prevented because the rest of the world depends on the US securing their international trade or otherwise don't want to rock the boat out of fear of reprisal. Our tax dollars pay for your peace. You should be thanking Americans instead of cultivating some kind of deranged superiority complex against us.
>>739571861>American hegemony is litterally the single greatest driver for peace and prosperity in the modern age You've been at war for 229 out of 249 years of your history you massive fucking retard.Your entire economy is built on the back of being in a constant state of warfare to the point where you deliberately create enemies when there are none.
