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Why does /vpol/ worship a rich evil politician who would kill them without a moments hesitation but then goes on angry rants about how politicians, jews and elites want them to die for israel?

>>739537459
Whoever wrote this probably felt very euphoric at that moment

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>>739537518
Because it triggers fags like you.

>>739537545
I did feel a little sublime when i typed it out yes, but not quite euphoric

>>739537518
One is a video game character and the other is real life. Wow that was hard to figure out. Fucking idiot

>>739537518
>but then goes on angry rants about how politicians, jews and elites want them to die for israel?
talk about yourself, i would gladly sacrifice every american in the name of israel

>>739537518
Someone got filtered by Armstrong's boss fight.

>>739537459
I look like this and say this

>>739537518
The "rich evil politician's" entire theme is calling out the ignorant consumerists that lockstep to their governments tune while allowing their freedoms and rights to be stripped away for monentary happiness.

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>>739537459
What Armstrong failed to see and that Raiden felt wrong at a fundamental level without being able to articulate why is that self actualization leads to the ones that are able to do it to turn others as cogs in their machine.
Being fee do do anything you want is being free to also enslave someone else.

>>739537518
I would have to ask Armstrong one question: Does Israel have a right to exist?
He certainly has the power for either answer.

>>739537518
Because Armstrong hates rich evil politicians, his entire plan is to kill those kinds of people so that the strong can rule the country.

>>739538901
He would say yes because Israel is strong and constantly at war.

>>739537518
False prophets anon. Read your Bible

>>739538839
We must eat food

How is might makes right actually true in this world Armstrong sees when the rich have access to crazy personal technology like I don't know, nanomachines? Even Raiden who was a child soldier orphan was only as strong as he was because those with money gave him exceptional gear to match his talents. Even then he still needed a mythical sword gifted to him by Sam to kill Armstrong.

>>739538901
He's a US politician, if he answers anything but yes his career prospects for president are over.

Why does everyone forget the whole "brains in jars" thing by the end? Like, I get that the whole thing is a front/conspiracy, but I can't help but suspect that putting brains in jars makes you a bit of a shithead by default.

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>>739538901
Israel is strong enough to make you its bitch and eternal target of enmity, but you do nothing about it. By his logic they deserve to exist more than you do. Funny how that works!

>>739537835
Don't you have some strongly-worded letters to go write, Mr. Schumer?

>I want to kill the military industrial complex
>And by that I mean actually kill the people putting our nations through perpetual wars and profiting from people being thrown into a meat grinder

Wow, what an asshole.

>>739539045
They were shitskin kids so it's all right.

>>739539045
That's kind of the point. He's literally a scummy politician. He spins an insane worldview where anyone not rich enough to afford crazy ass military tech augments is just meat for the strong into sounding like some kind of noble savage utopia.

>>739537518
Are you retarded? He wouldn't send anyone to die for Israel. He'd tell them to fight their own wars instead of acting like parasites , hiding behind the powerful

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>>739539085
Without America, Israel would be gone in a week. Pathetic country.

>>739539138
>protagonist fights to protect/return to status quo
many such cases

>>739539261
America didn't help at all with the situation in Palestine, and they still won.

>>739537518
Because Armstrong has balls to kill you with his own hands, not send you to die in pointless forever war

>>739539336
He didn't realize he was doing that, and in the end he decided to fight against the status quo.

>>739540369
>Because Armstrong has balls to kill you with his own hands
True
>not send you to die in pointless forever war
False

>>739537518
you wouldn't get it.

let me guess, brown?

well the writing says raiden agreed with him to some degree with the ending where he quotes him verbatim. but because konami sucks and platinum is dead in the water we'll never see a sequel.

>>739537459
>"You know that thing, civilization, that we as a species have touted as one of the few defining characteristics that no other animal on earth has achieved? Yeah. It's bad. I want to get rid of it and replace it with animalistic anarchy. Rules bad. Strength good. Might equals right, and I want everyone to follow it."

>"And you think this is a fucking good idea? That is quite possibly the most batshit insane idea I've ever heard."

>"YOU JUST DONT GET IT, FAGGOT!"

That's what you sound like, OP

>>739537518
Because most /v/irgins are weak fucking sisters, no better than the average ghetto baby who blames all their failures on someone else instead of taking any accountability or just admitting life is not fair. Most of them are Marxists, whether they actually realize it or not, and like babies they just whine, "Me me me me me," and any time something prevents them from fulfilling their selfish wants it must be the fault of someone that they can blame. It's why their worldview isn't coherent. It's why one minute they are deep throating government cock, and the next calling others boot lickers. Their only principle is, "I should have whatever I want, even if multiple of my wants are contradictory," because they are not serious people.

That or they are just muslims, but there is not really much difference except, possibly, a history of inbreeding in their genealogy.

>>739537459
>self actuallization rather than just being cogs in someone elses machine
I don’t see how this would actually work out for the average person based on his speech. It might sound le epic because he shits on bureaucracy, the media, pointless wars, etc., but what he describes sounds like some weird anarchist state without any laws, in a world where some people have superpowers btw. As an average person, you’d probably end up being enslaved by one of the various warlords that would emerge after the previous government and rule of law were dismantled.

>>739540560
I've never seen a projection like this.
It's like you're schizophrenic and projecting thousands of things at the same time.

>>739538839
why did he call him batshit insane then when that's exactly how modern society already works?

>>739540690
His plan is not to destroy the government, but to empower the people to fight for what they believe in.

>>739540914
>gets bodied
>cries
How embarrassing....

>>739540967
He agrees that society has this problem, but not with the solution he proposes.

>>739540979
In Armstrong's america people are free to shoot drafters if they demand you to die for Israel and he's supposed to be bad guy?

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>>739541051
Yes

>>739540979
> Fuck all of it! America is diseased. Rotten to the core. There's no saving it - we need to pull it out by the roots. Wipe the slate clean. BURN IT DOWN! And from the ashes, a new America will be born. Evolved, but untamed! The weak will be purged, and the strongest will thrive - free to live as they see fit, they will make America GREAT AGAIN!
that very much sounds to me like he wants to destroy the government. But everything he says is so vague that you could interpret whatever you want on to it I guess

Jew are massive cowards who survive by parasitizing more successful communities and would be first to die in might makes right world which would fix most problems in modern era

>>739537459
Wasn't the entire point of Armstrong that he was a lying politician that would say all the good shit you wanted to hear just to convince you to do what he said?

>>739541120
>I do need capital. And votes. Wanna know why? "I have a dream." That one day, every person in this nation will control their OWN destiny. A land of the TRULY free, dammit. A nation of ACTION, not words. Ruled by STRENGTH, not committee. Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice are back where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every man is free to think -- to act -- for himself!
It doesn't sound like he wants a country without a government

>>739541287
that was whatever he said to Raiden before his rant, I think he genuinly believes whatever he said after that in his speech, which is why Raiden calls him insane, because it seems like he really thinks this is a good idea

>>739537518
Because I want this world to burn faster
WW3 can't start soon enough

>>739537518
I never played this fucking game, but didn't this nigger literally pay to upgrade his body with nanomachines? "those who are strong" my ass

>>739541341
How not? nothing about this suggests a government, if anything this further implies anarchy. And the part after that with uprooting and burning everything down sounds like the clearest way of describing destroying the government without straight up saying the exact words

>>739541287
Something like that, he pretends to be a pro-status quo politician in order to later use his power to destroy the status quo.

>>739541474
Everyone does it in the game, tourist

>>739539261
This but Japan.

>>739541556
Without america japan wouldn't be full of pajeets, it's just slower death of losing national identity

>>739541556
South Korea and Ukraine are also included.
and Europe, Canada, Australia, England, etc.

>>739539138
Quite literally in the game they talk about how without the Patriots people are still going to war. The Patriots were putting the world into endless wars, after the Patriots there were still endless wars. It doesn't matter who's running the show Armstrong is just grifting you.

>>739541606
?

>>739541650
To be fair, Armstrong really did want to end the senseless wars.

>>739541494
>Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around.
That's not anarchy.

>>739541741
law in this case can just be rule of the strongest, law of the jungle etc., which he also flat out says mutliple times. nothing abouth this implies a centralized government that enforces anything. you'd have to ignore everything else he says to interpret this one sentence that way and to come to this conclusion about his world view

>>739541553
>but EVERYONE is doing it!
that really doesn't discredit his whole philosophy at all.

>>739541553
except for sam, he's just that good

>>739541553
They literally aren't, the average person doesn't have any cybernetics, only military or mercenaries or whatever, or if you're super rich and just want to have some I guesss. So you wouldn't have any and wouldn't belong to the strong and would get purged

>>739541904
You don't even know the guy's philosophy since you've never played the game.

>>739541963
Yes, he is based
>>739541989
His plan is for everyone to join the army and destroy the government so they can govern themselves.

>>739541698
He would only end the current senseless wars. Someone new will take over just like when someone took over after patriots. Just like before the patriots. Armstrong would just be the next in a long line.

Raiden figures this out after and decides the only freedom he really has is deciding what to fight for. That's why he goes off in the ending to fight his own war.

>>739537518
He's being honest about it so it's refreshing. Not a two faced bastard making hollow promises, even if only for a moment.
Better than despicable worms backstabbing and blackmailing or being blackmailed into fucking us all in the ass.

>>739542068
>His plan is for everyone to join the army
He never says this, he already was on his way to enact his plan without enroling everyone and giving everyone cybernetic implants (which again he never says in any way)

>>739541849
He is literally talking about the law in this sentence, not an abstract interpretation of what the world was like before civilization.

>>739541474
It's only making his skin hard. He's as strong as shown in the game or qte, and yes anyone can become that strong by training hard and playing college ball you know.

>>739542131
Are you stupid? The part of the game is when he was trying to control the country; what I'm talking about is what he plans after he achieves it.

>>739542160
And everything else he says just means nothing? The law suits the individual, everyone decides their own law. This is perfectly in tune with the rest of the speech and describes anarchy more than any other kind of political state

>>739542089
Yeah, that's Armstrong's tragedy. His dream was possible, but he wasn't the one who could fulfill it.

>>739537459
He is, most people will always be pawns of something bigger than they are, its the basis of civilization, even at its lowest form of dumb spear chucking tribes.

Fags can try to cope and cry about their individuality but at the end of the day you will 99.9999...% of the time always be the side npc character to someone else's rule.

Cool villain, cool ideals, insane to think they can be put in practice.

>>739541963
Sam still had expensive armor, minor cybernetic enhancements, and a borderline magical sword passed down in his family. He's definitely not just a random Joe.

>>739542220
Why does he need an army of people to destroy the government when he already controls the country? And again him wanting to enlist everyone is pure headcanon, this is never said anywhere. And it also isn't a response to the fact that most people just don't have cybernetic implants

>>739542254
>The law suits the individual, everyone decides their own law
Those are two different things.

>>739542339
Not at all. And you're still ignoring literally the whole speech because of your interpretation of one phrase.

The law suits the whims of the money lenders ( with interests ).
Gigacucks from the far right will defend that at any cost btw.

>>739542326
>Why does he need an army of people to destroy the government when he already controls the country
Because the president is not a god, he needs an army to destroy the people who oppose his plan.

>>739542369
You are misinterpreting the speech.

>>739542279
It's not even his dream. At best he's nieve but considering he made a fortune off of committing atrocities and then spent said fortune on making himself the biggest and baddest dude around with nanomachines it just makes him a hypocrite.

>>739542405
Armstrong's plan is literally to destroy that

>>739542415
He himself has superpowers and paramilitary forces and access to metal gears and other robotic forces etc. And he would be in control of the country.
But aside from that, again, the enlisting everyone is just made up by you. And even if that would happen it wouldn't mean everyone gets cybernetics, you're completly sidestepping the point.

>>739542474
He's not a hypocrite; when he lost, he admitted that Raiden was better.

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Armstrong is a more honorable villain than Solidus

Even a cursory understanding of the wilt chamberlain problem would allow Jack to point out that unlimited self-actualization means one person ends up with all the resources without even having to lift a finger after his first acquisition

>>739542497
There are thousands of private armies in this universe.

>>739538901
No, because there is no inherent "right to exist"

>>739542547
Was Raiden better? Raiden was losing in a landslide until he was gifted a mcguffin sword. That's my problem. Armstrong acting like the strong will come out on top as if him having billions of dollars in tech in his body has nothing to do with it.

At the end it wasn't personal strength that won.

>>739542747
Soldiers don't win by using only personal force; we've been using weapons for over thirty thousand years.
Besides, his dream was true freedom for America; the rule of the strong was the means to achieve it.

>>739542747
You autistic browns I swear…

>>739537459
>everyone should dump the current system and fend for themselves
>why yes, i did use the current system to amass as much personal power as possible, leaving me in an insurmountable lead should chaos occur. Why do you ask?

>>739540967
Because he is the final boss and has to sound like Solidus but they don't know how to do Solidus a second time

>>739537518
Cause it's fictional

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I find it honestly quite incredible how Armstrong is just a filter that exposes who's a genuine thinking human and who's the perfect citizen that claps for politicians who say random bullshit with charisma.
Reminder that Trump bragged how he'd end the Ukraine war instantly and wanted to have the Nobel Peace Prize, then he proceeded to invade Venezuela, start shit with NATO over Greenland and happily join his Jewish masters in starting a new war in the Middle East.

>>739537518
Because understanding what is right and adhering to reality are not mutually exclusive.
Armstrong abuses the system in place to tear that very system apart. An average anon here might understand how things could get better, but he is powerless to change anything, so the next most sensible thing is to make the most of what you have, even against your own ideals.

>>739544825
>SpongeBob is a redditor
to no one's surprise

>>739538839
https://youtu.be/JuRhL6rafNo

>>739546212
>If you hate kikes you're a redditor!
Wtf Reddit is based?!

>>739537606
>My entire ideology is based on you
>...but white genocide is wrong
Make it make sense.

>>739537459
This nigga wanted an apocalypse except he has op nano-machines and robot soldiers to fight for him. Raiden was right, he's just another politician. All cock and no cum

>>739540315
>what's an "Iran"?

>>739537518
The low IQ thirdies on /vpol/ self insert as the jews in fiction. This is also why they talk about Eren being based when he wants to glass the world to preserve his people's (((promised land))) even as they talk about wanting to rebuild the gas chambers in a second tab. They don't hate the jews, they hate the fact that they personally aren't the jews.

>>739537459
No human can exist without some form of reliance on others even indirectly.

His so called "plan" contradicts thousands of years of evolution and is basically "Survival of the Fittest" which is ironic because the only reason he is strong is because he has money to afford nanonmachines. Raiden was at least a child soldier who had to fight to survive longer before he got enhancements.

>>739548689
a broken clock is right twice a day

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>>739553838
Cringe
>>739551370
literally another country and another war.
Israel is still winning this war as we speak

>>739553273
>The Democrats were the real Nazis, you are fake, you chuds
pure clownworld.
We've already completed the full circuit.

>>739541474
he could've gone pro in football if he hadn't joined the navy

>>739554003
>literally another country and another war.
Iran is hostile to Israel precisely because of Palestine. There's no scenario where the Islamic Republic lets the Israelis complete their genocide without a fight. If Israel can't take both of them without America's help, they're dependent on Uncle Sam.

>>739554307
>Iran is hostile to Israel precisely because of Palestine.
Please read a history book in your life and stop watching CNN.

>>739554307
Iran is beating both Israel and Decrepit Sam. Maybe this might makes right ideology is a terrible idea...

>>739553767
He was a normal soldier before he had cybernetic augmentations.

>>739554550
Silence, JIDF shill

>>739554867
>Winning is when you get killed on the first day of war

>>739554890
I will not stop telling the truth, terrorist

>>739554550
>Iran hates Israel just because
OK, then. The country still disintegrates without continuous American support, which is the main point you have avoided responding to.
>>739554867
TBF, America would win if they went total war, but even Trump knows this is a retarded idea that would ensure a Chinese world order.

>>739554982
It would be a very phyrric victory because the regime would instantly target all desalination plants and vital infrastructure of american allies. But, I mean the strait will be open after that...

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>>739537518
I like how not a single comment addressing this denies or takes offense to being called /vpol/. Says alot.

>>739554982
No, I already answered your point.
You ignored it like a classic Redditor

>>739539229
You saw the thousands of kidnapped boys' brains in jars he was prepping to fight his next wars with your own eyes.

>>739537459
why did he want everyone to play college baseball in texas? Wtf does that have to do with literally anything????

>>739555063
You're complaining about that, but not about the fact that a comment above yours is complaining about Israel?
The left are the new Nazis

>>739537459
Based Armstrong making the leftist bootlickers seethe

>>739555171
>baseball
it was football

>>739555236
Huh??? No that doesnt make any sense.

>>739555063
Why didnt these goyim respond to your buzzwords?

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>>739542091
What exactly makes the honesty better?

>>739555286
Why?
>>739555341
Hillary Clinton committed the same crimes as Richard Nixon, in addition to being the wife of a pedophile rapist.

>>739555080
>make a billion enemies
>can't defeat them all without outsider help
>but you're NOT depended on foreign aid because you can take on your weakest foe in a 1x1 match
You sound like a Tankie denying Stalin would have lost without US help. Jesus Christ.

>>739555543
because thats not what he was referring to

>This turned into a discussion of Armstrong in a TDS thread
Do you realize they're completely different things? One is a real person and the other is a video game villain.

>>739555662
No but you see they both said the line

>>739537459
Well he died like a bitch so that makes his philosophy worthless, according to his logic.

>>739555584
>make a billion enemies
just for not being Muslim
>can't defeat them all without outsider help
Yeah, nobody can beat all their neighboring countries without help.
>but you're NOT depended on foreign aid because you can take on your weakest foe in a 1x1 match
Yes, when you have money to pay for the help you receive, that's what it means.
Besides, Israel is kicking Iran's ass right now, so I really don't know what you're talking about.

>>739555714
They both copied it from the same guy.

>>739555832
He gave Raiden his memes right as he was dying; his dream is about to come true.
he won

>>739555832
You fucking retard, the game ends with him laughing because Raiden proved him right

>>739554867
>Democracy is might makes right
Leftists really are low IQ retards projecting

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>>739556050
Raiden doesn’t go gallivanting to purge the weak, burn the West to the ground, nor encourage anyone else to fight their own battles.

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>>739537459
His solution was worse than the problem. He wasn't a misunderstood hero, he was a villain with a point. Raiden doesn't adopt his philosophy wholesale but he doesn't reject it entirely either, he takes something from their fight without losing himself.

Here's the real question: why do chuds constantly idealize regimes and philosophies under which they would be far worse off than the average person? It reminds me of nerds during the zombie fad who thought they would totally become winners if society collapsed.

>>739556382
They idealize they people they hate suffering even worse than they do because they are psychopaths

>>739556258
In the end Raiden fought for what he believed in, for his own ideals, which is why Armstrong accepts defeat and dies with a smile on his face.

>>739556258
> burn the West to the ground
That wasn't part of the plan.

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>>739542091
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>>739548943
explain how jeet genocide is wrong

>>739537459
yeah, they should have shown raiden realizing he actually agreed with armstrong in the ending cutscene or something. wouldn't that have been neat

>>739556664
xittertroons can't meme

>>739555989
>>739556050
>plan foiled and dies
>won
Hm. Okay.

>>739556382
>why do chuds constantly idealize regimes and philosophies under which they would be far worse off than the average person?
Leftists literally do the same thing.
The real question is why there is a rise in extremists

>>739556619
But he wanted a world where everyone does that. Well, not really since he was training children to fight exactly what he wanted them to fight, but he wanted a lot more than just one guy. And Raiden with his allies made quite the effort to make sure that none of those boys would fight again afterwards.

>>739556734
He lost, but he won the "debate".

Armstrong's speech was written by the localizers. They presented it to the devs, the devs liked it so much that they made it canon in japanese too. Looking too deep into it to understand the character as if the speech precedes everything else is misguided. People need to actually discuss the entire game instead of this one dialogue if they want to understand the characters.
But the fact that they don't validates the localizers entirely, it was a banger of a speech.

>>739556753
He wanted to change the status quo; the children were a means to achieve it.

>>739556875
>Armstrong's speech was written by the localizers. They presented it to the devs, the devs liked it so much that they made it canon in japanese too.
By that point they are no longer just localizers, they are writers

>>739556810
>Yeah, I lost, whatever, but I am very calm right now.

Anyone that thinks Armstrong actually wanted people to be capable of fighting for their own dreams is completely retarded.
You go to fight him after discovering his gigantic room full of kidnapped child brains that he's turning into brainwashed mercenaries. He's pumped full of so much proprietary nanotech that he could slaughter entire armies by himself, he's so full of shit it's coming out his ears.

It just goes to show how incredibly easily swayed people are by the simplest populist memes. It's the same thing that makes satirizing fascist regimes so difficult - you can't make clear what you're satirizing without using the aesthetics and empty language, but those two things are the entirety of fascism and are what people find appealing.

>>739556985
Sure, but it was still an addition made on top when the story was already finalized, with the conclusion and character arcs decided. The speech is full of substance but its inclusion is still style over substance.
Which isn't a bad thing, I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, it is a banger of a speech and it made the game better. But when people refuse to interact with any other part of the character than this speech, they're not even interacting with the work of the writer who came up with the character in the first place. They overthink the aspect that is the least tied to his origins, and underthink the parts that actually made him who he is, and motivated the people who wrote the speech.

>>739557008
That's literally how it happened in the game.

>>739557130
Yeah, but the rest of the game doesn't contradict that part.

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>might-makes-right niggas when you blow their arms and legs off (they're begging for mercy all of a sudden)

>>739557101
which part of "I'm using war as a business to get elected so I can end war as a business!" you didn't understand?

>>739556741
I know this answer has been beaten to death already but the rise of the internet meant that formerly isolated nutjobs can now congregate online and amplify each others complexes/insecurities while drowning out reasonable or normal perspectives. People who often have sad personal life circumstances are sucked into dysfunctional communities who channel their anger and discontent into narratives that protect them psychologically but distort their worldviews. For example, look at Asian incel communities, black incel communities, and white incel communities. Many of these groups are deeply convinced that the only reasons they are having problems is because society is deeply biased against their particular ethnicity. That narrative provides psychological comfort at the expense of looking clearly at the problem.

So basically much like Armstrong the Patriots in MGS2 had a point. A point that nobody really has a good counter to except that nobody trusts anyone else to do that job.

>>739557426
The part where you actually believed that horseshit for a fucking second.
You are a gullible fuckstick.

>>739557426
He's a blatant hypocrite, yes. What is your point?

>>739557330
>He admits that he needs his enemies to be armless or legless to have a chance of winning.

The world Armstrong envisioned barely changes anything about the world's power dynamic. It's the power that was in place for most of human history. Those with might hold all the cards, and make all the rules. It's happened time and again in the history of human's conquests.
What is supposed to happen in this supposed anarchy? As soon as someone is above everyone else they will consolidate their own rule at threat of violence. There won't be anymore darwinistic meritocracy where these strongest people will overthrow each other once that happens.
The systems we live in already follow these dynamics, people live in either fear or worship of the rule of law. Those rules are made by the people who have all the cards already. Wealthy lying oligarchs already own all the violence. Armstrong just became one of those same wealth lying oligarchs to exert his own violence. He claims that this somehow flips the power dynamics on its head but it doesn't, it's not like the nations of the world haven't seen countless coups before. The endgame for violence isn't just killing people until everyone who opposes is gone, it's ruling what remains by the mere threat of it. The person with all the violence will simply own all the wealth and be able to lie however they want. It's self defeating philosophy because there's only 3 outcomes, either he or his champion becomes what he hated as a rightful expression of their might, someone else is stronger and becomes what he hated as a rightful expression of their might, or what we see in the game which is someone from the start disagrees entirely and wins. Because it's insane. He desires a world where humans throw their lives away just to attempt to tear down their betters instead of the betters enriching the lives of those under them. It's simply inhuman.

>>739557426
You definitely fell for "I’m so rich, I have no need for bribes!"

>>739557507
>What is supposed to happen in this supposed anarchy? As soon as someone is above everyone else they will consolidate their own rule at threat of violence.
Armstrong will. He's literally building an army of brainwashed soldiers to consolidate his power in preparation for destroying world powers.
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>>739557474
>>739557484
He is a fictional character; he was telling the truth because the script said so.
You guys talk like he's a real politician, it's cringeworthy

>>739557638
>Fictional characters cannot lie or be hypocrites
Holy shit nigga how do you breathe without choking on your own spit

>>739557543
I literally don't know what you're talking about.

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>>739557638
Cringeworthy indeed.

>>739537459
Without government/structure of law the world would go to shit. A world where everyone is totally free of everything including morals would be an absolute nightmare to live in. I say bring on the police state

>>739557727
>Fictional characters cannot lie or be hypocrites
only if the script says so and the script doesn't say that he was lying or being hypocritical.

>>739557756
Yeah
>>739557785
Okay, but what does that have to do with the topic of the thread?

Armstrong never even answers how exactly a brainwashed child cyborg army or a false flag to get America in yet another war in the Middle East brings his "dream" to fruition. Underwear gnomes have a more transparent strategy.

>>739557785
>Anonymous gets clubbed to death by cops in his precious police state utopia

>>739540315
Shitting on unorganized civilians using cutting edge weapons they got for free from America.

>>739537459
>literally asking for "survival of the fittest"
>/v/ still doesn't see the issue having to fight a murder hungry nanomachine roided maniac as a lanky fleshbag

>>739557426
I understand that, both logistically and ideally, that's a complete horseshit lie
first off war has always been a business, it's always been about control of scarcity. Even in cases where it's simply a blood feud or a moral crusade you are trading in the scarcity of the populace's allegiance.
what's supposed to happen? He inflicts violence and anarchy on the world through the rule of might and has all humans locked in such a struggle, all these people inheriting their memes are technically, at that point, using war for personal profit.

>Invades your home and starts beating you
>Heh, why are you fighting back? I thought you liked peace? Yet you are using violence to get what you want in this situation, how curious

>>739540315
>America didn't help at all with the situation in Palestine
Yeah I'd like my $
60 billion in tax dollars back, then

>>739548689
If jews had brown skin leftists would have zero issue with Israel

>>739557609
that's what I said nigger
what makes his rule of law different than the established one? virtually nothing unless people are willing to ignore it, he wants people who are free to die under his boot because he's left them no other choice.

>>739557474
>>739557829
"I'm not going to use any of this, I'm ending war as a business so the world can be a meritocracy" Says the man that bought himself superpowers and a mech designed to crush small nations, owns a literal army that rivals the largest nations on earth, and is currently large-scale kidnapping children to brainwash them into loyal battle mechs, about his plan to start a war in order to wear down everyone else's military capability and gut the one political-military force that would be able to oppose him.

"That makes perfect sense" says this complete goddamned retard.

>>739557879
the gameplan is something like this
>owns world's largest private army
>uses this influence on the political stage to become president
>instantly performs a coups to remove all limits on his own power
>declares war on established powers for the sake of it, planning to come up on top
>supposedly encourages people to overthrow him if they hate it
>lol too bad he already has the biggest army and the strongest weapons and can personally pulp anyone on the planet whoops. Good luck, sport.

>>739557891
Everything you said is a lie, especially the part about it being free.
>>739557879
No, he literally says he's doing this to win the election.

>>739557904
>>739558051
It wasn't free, you're an idiot if America does something without getting paid. Only Biden was that stupid to do that.

>golden spoon Nepo baby who gave himself superpowers and probably didn't even serve in the military preaches to afrikan child soldier about how great war and fighting is
Are you serious right now?

>>739541741
Having the law "change to suit the individual" is 100% a statement in support of anarchy. How else could this possibly be interpreted? Prohibitions against murder are the individual changing to conform to the law. Guess what happens when that relationship is reversed?

>>739558150
>>739558004
>That's not realistic, it must be a lie!
The script said that he wasn't lying, not me.

>>739537459
Based
>>739537518
Is Armstrong really the type of guy to do that? Even so, he's still right for saying that.

>>739558328
>owns world's largest private army
He didn't start there

>>739558513
That isn't how scripts work.
You don't literally attribute the lines with
ARMSTRONG [lying]: lorem ipsum

It's time to stop posting.

>>739558451
>headcanon and cope
Wow, you're completely crazy.

>>739558578
In fact, that's literally how they work.
>It's time to stop posting.
Bye

>>739558349
But that wasn’t the alleged end goal. He never elaborated on how capital and votes creates his professed might-makes-right world vision that his supporters say he "has a point" in pursuing

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>>739558759
Bye
>>739558735
What don't you understand? He wants to win the elections.

>>739558448
Wrong. Israel gets tons of free shit from America. Weapons, money, and other things.

>>739559089
Nope

>>739558513
Maybe on some philosophical level there is some sort of distinction here:
Whether he is doing it intentionally lying about his motives
or
He fully believes in something that is a complete lie and is gonna try his hardest to make it happen until it fails
Just because he is delusional and believes the lie himself doesn't mean he isn't delivering one.

>>739558569
If anything he did, he went to UoT, so was probably a commissioned officer when he "joined the navy", used connections in the military to build up his private security company. His political career almost certainly started from that vector first and foremost, the alternative is he's a daddy's money guy like majority of politicians, the only way he can be a boostraps guy is if he started with the army first.

>>739559161
You know what a lie is, right?

>>739537459
But was he wrong?

>>739559306
something that isn't true
if something can't exist in reality it isn't true
it's a lie
you just want to argue semantics of whether he believed in what he was saying or not, but it's the least important argument about what Armstrong was attempting.

>>739548943
Explain to me how genociding non-White people in a world that was entirely built by White people is wrong.

>>739559853
No, a lie specifically is when you know it's not true.
>you just want to argue semantics of whether he believed in what he was saying or not
No, that was you and only you.

>>739560114
Genocide is wrong.

>>739559124
Who do you think you're fooling? Everyone is tired of Israel's cowardly bullshit, like a little dog barking at everyone then running to hide behind America.

>>739560889
Okay, I don't care that you don't accept reality.

>>739560583
You can't argue reason to goycattle

>>739560963
Muslims are also genocidal.

freedom for the pike is death for the minnow.

this is first year undergraduate pol sci stuff.

even bioshock was more advanced than this because it actually had an opinion about that idea at least.

>>739561165
Leftist bootlicker logic

If I have free speech who is that taking speech away from?

>>739537459
He uses evil methods for a debatably good cause, the problem is that every real American president in living memory uses evil methods for evil causes. Armstrong is unambiguously a huge step up from any of our alternatives, Raiden should have left him alone.

>>739561295
it's quite hard for humans to listen to more than one person at a time so i can say quite literally that if you are speaking you are literally taking away everyone else's ability to speak.

imagine, if you will, a big fat autistic man sitting in a room screaming at the top of his lungs.

>"b-b-but"
no, there is no secret subtle point to this analogy. i am literally saying that if you sit in a room screaming at the top of your lungs you interfere with everyone's ability to talk to each other in that room.

to my mind this is an example of how your exercise of freedom interferes with other people's lives and freedoms.

>>739560952
You slimy lying faggot. Among many other things, Israel gets money from America with the stipulation they have to spend it buying military shit from American companies, which means Israel gets American tech and weapons for free.

>>739540315
>America didn't help at all with the situation in Palestine, and they still won.
You mean besides giving them all of their weapons for free and funding their entire fake economy? They were also up some of the poorest and most helpless people in the world.

>>739537459
the thing people miss about armstrong (and then by extension, why raiden ends up adopting his policy) is that he had good intentions with an “end justifies the means” approach, which boils down to
>man should be free, be his own person and not a slave to a company or government
>i will achieve this by killing everyone and making the new generation follow this ideology

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>>739537518
just call them what they are, losers

>>739541014
>gets bodied
>cries
This is more projecting

>>739561557
Cope

>>739561676
/v/ and /pol/ won though. You bootlickers lost

>>739541741
>That's not anarchy.
That's exactly how anarchy works. If someone with enough power decides you have to do something, that's the law now. That's also how every system of government works, but with more window dressing

>>739561547
Can those other people speak? Are they free to express themselves and is their legal consequences for doing so?

If not then they still have right to speech. One right does not take away from another

If he really believed in the ideology he espoused, his plan would involve leveling the playing field somehow. Make it so there wasn't such a physical disparity between people that would be fighting for what they want. If his actual plan was to disseminate nanomachines into every human being, for example, then he'd actually be supremely based and worthy of respect

>>739544825
Yeah but trump is a giant pussy who talks big, always pushes the risks and costs of his endeavors onto someone else, and clearly wants nothing more than to give netanyahu another blowjob and take another trip to epstein island. Armstrong personally went to assassinate the president himself, that shows a lot of conviction.

>>739561924
>That's exactly how anarchy works
No, anarchy doesn't work.

>>739561952
>If not then they still have right to speech
i could not give less of a shit about theoretical rights that cannot be exercised due to a fat screaming autistic man. and neither do you. if there was a fat screaming autistic man in the room with you right now, you would want him removed.

i fully understand the point that you are making and i even agree with it within its context. the logic is ironclad. it is a very pretty academic and intellectual system that a lot of people have worked very hard to sharpen and refine over centuries. my argument does not exist within that system. my argument is that i will not accept or tolerate certain kinds of behaviours and to whatever extent your perfect pretty ironclad logical system requires me to i will simply disregard it.

you, on the other hand, choose to disregard the consequences of your beliefs. but we are both disregarding something. you are choosing the intellectual purity and appealing rigidity of your logical system, presumably because the black and white simplicity of it is a comfort to you, and i am choosing to live in the real world because my concern is primarily the wellbeing of real people. i do not believe that rigidly following some theoretical framework designed by fart-sniffing academics in a university ivory tower 150 years ago without deviation or consideration of the consequences is a virtue. i think it's stupid.

>>739558453
>Prohibitions against murder are the individual changing to conform to the law.
Bro, are you okay? Nobody thinks like that.

>>739561547
Can you try making your point without the retarded hypothetical about screaming so loud that no one else can hear? Free speech takes away others' rights to prevent you from speaking, and their right to not hear what you have to say. It's overall clearly a net win for personal freedom

>>739562292
>No, anarchy doesn't work.
It's not any worse than representative democracy

>>739537518
Because killing and dying is based, as long as it's not for Israel

>>739562386
How about we have laws about making too much noise in public but no restrictions on which beliefs people are and aren't allowed to express

>>739562681
No, it's much worse.

>>739562626
do you think i am arguing against a right to free speech? i'm not. for obvious reasons i think free speech is a good thing.

i was asked how someone's right to free speech could possibly take away someone else's speech. of course, it can't. but the manner in which speech is exercised absolutely can take away someone else's ability to be heard, which ties in to what i said about not giving a fuck about theoretical rights and how they're theorised to function in online debates.

the retarded hypothetical is essential to my broader point, so i will not desist with it.

>>739562784
sure. the point was never that fat autistic people should have an untrammelled right to scream wherever and whenever they want. the point is that how speech is exercised can interfere with others' lives. whether or not i sign off personally on the exercise and content of speech being 'okay' will depend in part on the consequences of that speech. it will also depend on other things, like the overall importance in having a society free of censorship. what it does not depend on at all is the formal construction of what counts as a right and how it's allowed to be expressed based on a 200 years dead german philosopher's hot takes.

so, if the question is "how does my right to free speech take away from other people's speech" the answer is i think that question is too focused on formalism and ignores the world that people actually live in, but fundamentally it's correct to say that it doesn't.

i think that freedom is something you do, not something you have.

>>739562796
Every nation ever puts restrictions on how speech is allowed to be exercised. I've never seen a free speech advocate claim that theft and murder should be allowed if they're done for the purpose of spreading a message. Your argument is a big old strawman

>>739563189
>Every nation ever puts restrictions on how speech is allowed to be exercised
i'm aware. in fact, that's my point. speech has consequences and so it's regulated. a person's exercise of speech may not interfere with another person's formal right to free speech but that doesn't mean it doesn't cause other problems. this is hardly a controversial take which is why when i saw it was being called 'leftist bootlicker logic' i decided to start the argument where i did.

>>739562387
people who would otherwise be happy to kill whoever they want to, do in fact think like that. "If only I could just kill them"
hell people constantly do it despite the law, because they don't care about the rule of law.

>>739538839
Real freedom doesn't mean you can do whatever the fuck you want because at that point you'll just regress to functioning purely based on instinct, so if you want to rape, you rape because you're "free" to do so, but in return, you basically become a slave to your own whims and desires and become addicted to all manners of things you can no longer function without now. So where's your freedom now?

Real freedom is actually about being able to discern between what's good and bad, then choosing, out of your own free will to always pursue the good and stick to your morals, rather than choose to do evil and compromise on them just because it's the easier thing to do, or because everyone else does it or society pressures you to conform and do say things which are bad (because even then, in that situation, when you conform, you don't have real freedom since you have let others, you are just as clueless as you are, and likely lacking in even more freedom than you might have at the time enslave you).

>>739562386
>I could not give less of a shit about rights
>and neither do you
The fact you try and dictate what strangers care about does enough to show you're a bootlicking retard who can't fathom anyone who disagrees with his childish opinions. That's why we have free speech laws in the first place.

As for you not caring, why start an argument about rights then? You say you don't care, and you clearly don't understand them

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>>739537518
That's mass brainwashing. Ever notice how all these shows/movies/games start out with the baddies making points that seem very valid, rational, justified, only for it to all be rugpulled when it turns out at the end they were just moustache-twirling, cartoin-evil money grabbing terrorists all along. It subliminally trains you to think that whenever someone fights for one of these just causes, they're all about money or personal gain beneath the inspiring speeches. So you don't trust anything anymore and remain in perpetual limbo of inaction and ignorance. And for those that have some powder left to fight? "Look, there's immigrants/women/blacks/elderly! They're your enemies!"

>>739563723
>try and dictate what strangers care about
i am simply drawing conclusions based on behaviour. i have never met a single free speech absolutist who wasn't exposed as a laughable hypocrite in less than half an hour of conversation. of course, i could be wrong.

i'm not trying to tell you what you care about. i'm saying that i don't believe you when you say that you do. i think you're a liar, and you're either lying to me or lying to yourself. i think it would be childish to ignore that possibility, especially considering that it's the most probable one.

anyone who sets up a rigid formal system is setting themselves up for failure because it will eventually require you to tolerate intolerable things and when you can't do that you just contort yourself in incoherent knots and make a joke of yourself and your system. many such cases.

>As for you not caring, why start an argument about rights then
i don't care about rights in the sense that i don't really perceive them as persuasive determinants on my behaviour in this context. but even that is not true. i think a system of rights is an important legal concept and has great pragmatic utility. and in fact i am very interested in polsci which is why i did a PhD in it.

what i mean to say is what i later said here: >>739563127

>>739537459
armstrong, in his own words, is all about bootstraps and individual merit, but he never had to truly practice what he preached. raiden did however so he sees armstrong as a pampered upper class hypocrite. armstrong is probably not going to give up his wealth, political power and superpowers (probably won't) in his new world and to be at the same starting line with everyone else. raiden hates his past and would not want to spend his days starving and fighting for mere survival again. so he sees armstrong as retarded to want to be worse off, or more accurately in his words, batshit insane. it's actually his most generous assessment of him, since it assumes armstrong actually believes the shit he says

if you liked armstrong then you should love raiden, because raiden is armstrong but without the hypocrisy and deluded idealism. and raiden actually knows that fighting for your survival is actually gay and annoying instead of based and trad. i believe that was the core point the ending tried to make

>>739537518
He wants freedom (to get killed). I get what he's trying to achieve. Shame he's unable to beat robo gay.

lol