why do people hate on this game? now that the story is finally picking up (just got to tethe'alla and got the loli and fag in my party) I'm having an amazing time. presentation and combat are both great and the cast is really comfy, I even like lloyd even though I normally dont care for shonen stereotypes. Im excited to find out exactly what is going on with the plot and kratos bitch ass.
nice excuse for a thread
if you made it to tethe'alla then congratulations. most people get filtered by the time they reach the boat town or the tower of mana.
>>739553371I never saw anyone hating on it except when they fumbled the Switch remaster
>>739553371I liked it when I was 12 and gamecube didn't have lots of RPGs
Symphonia has really gay dungeon puzzles that only get more irritating the longer you play. Abyss and Vesperia also do the same thing. The final dungeon in Vesperia makes me want to KMS.
>>739553371>peak of the series released on nintendo>no matter how many times they rerelease it the gc versions till is the best
Everyone glazes abyss and vesperia but I think Symphonia is better than both. I simply like the characters, graphics and battle system more. Vesperia and Abyss has a bunch of unlikeable retards and sociopaths in the party. Best 3d tales and second best tales after Eternia.
>>739553371It's a mid Tales of jerked off by nostalgiafags. At least the story if good even if the characters are not that great.
>>739553371i played this fully through in person with a friend during childhood and it was great.Para ball Colette was actually busted, idk how we stumbled on it.
>>739554219>best and hottest character>is easily the worst character in combatwhy did they do her so dirty bros
People that didnt have a gamecube have a bias against it, because the other versions have all been inferior. Tales fans, which numbered in the dozens, also made a stink on release because it was on a Nintendo console.
>>739554327Story is mediocre as fuck, a copy of Phantasia and Eternia. The characters are the best thing of the game.
>>739554438I'll still never pick Colette over her.
>>739553371iirc the dub is missing voiced skits and thats like half the charm of the game
out of all the classic Tales it's gets some of the biggest glaze next to Abyss
>>739554514why pick>Presea lead>Sheena Colette Raine supportobvious best team
>>739553371A lot of people go into this game in auto mode and wonder why the game plays itself
>ynr the sequel
>>739554058Don’t play Destiny, then, it’s even worse for that.
>>739553371It was boringly average. Never owned a CG but had a Ps2 and Xbox and eventually got a modded Wii many years later to play CG games. Found it to me the most boring jrpg from that gen. Like a rpg on a system with no other jpgs so everyone just overhype this one up because it was all they had.
TIGER BLADE
>>739554864I love how Yuri and Flynn and Lloyd all have Tiger Blade but they do it differently
>>739554438Her gimmick being hard to pull of is the biggest mistake in the gameplay.
>>739554717kouli's guide saved me for that game
>>739554219>>739554438How the fuck did you make the gameplay concept of a Ninja sub-classing as a Summoner boring?
>>739554650Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality
>>739555306Someone on the dev team played too much Ragnarok Online and realized that 2d doesnt translate well into 3d late into development
>>739553371The save system is atrocious.
>>739553371how is the combat in this game?
>>739555306wouldve been fine if you didnt need to over limit before summoning. just stupidly worthless
>>739554734I wish there more conventional trope-y anime jrpgs like this instead of whatever bullshit SE has been pumping out for the past 25 years.
>>739555503It's alright if you play a good character, extremely painful if you don't
>>739554018every port is a fumble because they lost the source code so they just keep porting the PS2 version over and over again.
>>739556320never fails to amaze how many times this happens in the game industryHOW FUCKING HARD IS IT to back up your extremely valuable source code and assets you spent millions producing?
>>739556149There were, you just never heard of them.
>>739553371Because it was the only good tales game. It was so good to the point where they felt the need to make every game that came after a rip off of symphonia.
>>739556738Posts like this are exactly why I don't play JRPGs. I bet you put 1000+ hours on this game and know everything about it too. Very fun to play a game for the first time knowing all you're doing is wasting your time.
>>739554219I also hated the free run in combat for Abyss (never played Vesperia). It was so poorly implemented and broke the game making it easy mode from memory.
>>739553371Dwarven Vow #69: SEX with PRESEA
>>739555375The Ninja in RO released several years after Tales of Symphonia.
Tiger Blade. Tiger tiger tiger
>>739553371>>739554219Not enough sex with Sheena.
>>739559817>that's it? I was just getting started!
>>739556320>implementedCouldn't they ask Nintnedo for their version of the code seeing as the GC is the best they got out there or is this another case of prideful nips?
>>739560641I want to say a few years back, Nintendo strongarmed Square Enix with a similar request. When Square was trying to remaster Seiken Densetsu 3 for the Mana Collection, they asked Nintendo for the originals of SD1 and SD3, they'd only do it if the Collection was switch exclusive.I imagine Bamco would rather use their existing version than have a console exclusive version
>>739559671Do not stream that film
>>739556674Allegedly japs don't really care about that sort of thing.
>>739559671>Demon Fang!>Demon Fang!>DAMN! I must be a GENIUS!>DOUBLE Demon Fang!
I was gonna get into Symphonia after beating Elden Ring actually. Which version should I get?
>>739554650I have enough brain damage to enjoy the sequel.
>>739556674You'd be heartbroken over the stories on how they lose these things other than a fire, deleted cause we need more space, lost in a move, tossed in a dumpster, sold in a yard sale hell its not even Jap devs too Western devs have done such bullshit like that one guy who came across Blizzard's gold disc for WCIII or was it Starcraft 2 as far as I know I think Nintendo is the only dev who properly back up and store their games even third party versions.
>>739553371I don't hate it, but I like Tales games with more freefrom combat based mostly around doing cool combos and dealing with enemy attacks using precisely timed specific counters, and Symphonia feels very limiting there.
>>739555503>>739556160to clarify what the first anon said heres a quick tier listTop tier:lloyd - extra basic arte and fairly easy time linking high combo moves.High tier:zelos/kratos: super chain and ability chain. youll only have 1 or 2 real arte chains, but theyre reliable and fairly high combo countcollete: has more options, but some of them arent that good. para ball line is very good, but struggles to perform combos on her own. very good in maintaining combos with the teamMid tier:presea- combos arent very intuitive, but can add a lot to the combo counter when assisting other character combosregal: combos string in a unique manner which can be more restrictive for newer players or less restrictive for people who try to figure him out. despite this, he doesnt have a lot of high hit count artes anway, so his combos arent that goodBad tier:Sheena: can get up to 7 hits with a full combo and the best ex skills for combos, and the 7th hit would have to blowdown the enemy if you wanted to use it. pitiful combo game that can interfere with the team. however, shes mandatory on the team late game once you get her joke weapon. gotta get dat money.Mage tier:Genis/Raine- thes guys cant string artes together. theyre mages. theyre not supposed to. you get 2 basic attacks and you pray you can stunlock with your teammates till you get yata mirror/spirit ring. photon is great for maintaining combos, and genis has several very good high hit count spells, but you cant directly string them from other moves. you need to string moves into the spell casts. still great to have in the team since they have the highest hit count combo move
>>739554219Symphonia is definitely praised way more than Abyss
>>739562593At least recently on this site, Symphonia's been getting some shit while Abyss is being lifted onto a pedestal as a kamige.
>>739555448What do you mean? It was a very normal save system for the time. Being able to save everywhere wasn't the standard, it was normal for games to have specific places where you could save. If anything I thought Tales was kind of a stand out for letting you save anywhere on the world map.You won't see discussion like this now but when games starting letting you save whenever you want, it used to cause big arguments about games being casualized.
>>739559671>"Tiger blade!">"I am a great genius: Double Tiger Blade!"
Every dungeon in Tethe'alla is "that part" of the game where you have to do some tedious gimmicky shit. None of them are difficult, they just enjoy wasting your time.
>>739559103Free run was planned for Symphonia and implemented by the testers at the very end of its development cycle. They removed it because it was “too easy to cheat the enemy AI.” They then put it in Abyss, where it was… too easy to cheat the enemy AI.
>>739553371I think everyone agrees this is the best one. Vesperia had better combat maybe but that's about it.
>>739562814Maybe Abyss' writing sticks the landing a little better compared to other tales games. Symphonia is a better more ambitious adventure to me but it has so many of the JRPG stereotypes that get made fun of relentlessly.
>>739562593Abyss is just a shittier and edgier than symphonia.After playing symphonia i thought that they could never ever top the edginess of that game what with the body horror, four genocides, and all flavors of violence inbetween, but they found a way.
>>739561721>dealing with enemy attacks using precisely timed specific countersDoes Tales have many of these? I can't think of any off the top of my head aside from Calamity Stance.
>>739564946Graces
>>739564989Oh, you mean the quickstep thing.
>>739564946Both R games (hearts and innocence)
>>739553371Tales of Fans are vocal loudmouthed bastards. I've heard plenty of them say Tales of Graces f is one of the worst ones because of muh story and muh characters when it's onpar with all of the others. Meanwhile it has the best combat in the franchise. Symphonia being shit on is likely the result of it being highly regarded. I don't think it deserves to be praised as highly as it is, but it's not shit either. Don't worry about what others say.
>>739565661I always thought people oversold just how bad Graces writing is, they make it sound like the JRPG equivalent of The Room when it's actually just okay, I can bame multiple games within the same series with worse writing
>>739561941Don't think it's right to judge purely on combo potential. Regal having innate ability to freely mix techs, and Presea having unrivaled unga are great benefits.
>>739562865he probably means the memory gem system where you have to fight enemies until they randomly drop an item to unlock save points in some dungeons.
>>739564858Being earnest to a fault is the exact opposite of 'edgy'.
>>739553371>why do people hate on this gamegr8 b8
>>739554650Magic is the courage that turns reality into dreams.
>>739555327Thats an amazing line, we should repeat it constantly and also have the scene mocapped because its so specialt. some dev on this game
>>739561394I’m incapable of hating the sequel because I fucking love taming monsters and there’s so few action games like that. Would kill for a separate Tales game with its own lore with the monster stuff
>>739564946Calamity Stance is not precise at all, it has a very wide window of opportunity>>739568281Play NDX, it's Symphonia 2 if it wasn't so undercooked
None of it ended up hooking me. It felt like all I did was mash attacks. I ended up finishing it but it didn't leave a big impression on me.
>>739568281it tapped into my pokemon autism pretty well. People were complaining about the handling of guest members when I was just having fun turning my starter imps and wolves into archedemon/fenrir things.
Did they ever implement the affection/romance system in other tales games like they did with Symphonia? Star Ocean 3 comes to mind as being similarly cryptic on what character the main characters ends up with. I wish the affection system in Symphonia was better implemented though.
What his name again?
>>739568828ToS is the only Tales that something like the affection system. They never did anything like that in later games.
>>739569102Demon Fang
>>739569102Double demon fang
>>739568828Xillia 2 has something like a bonding system so you can unlock dual mystic artes with ludger and another party member.They've never repeated the system in a way that determines a love interest however
>>739553371They hate on the fact every version of the game is gimped in some annoying-ass way and it will probably never be fully rectified into a proper definitive version.
Since Eternia is pretty much confirmed to be the next game to be released how do you think they'll handle the english dub issue. Skits were not included in the original english version because Scamco at the time didnt want to pay the VAs to record them but Eternia also didnt have any way of displaying subtitles either so they couldnt just do the silent skits like Symphonia and Abyss had Will they presumably redub the entire game to include skits in the remaster or just go with silent skits in the english version. or go nuclear and just make the whole game JP audio only?Keep in mind the original english dub is also very 90s/2000s low quality they literally picked up some dudes off the street to record it quality
>>739569572make a proper dub with an option for the original unchanged or japanesethey will never do this. providing options is aids to devs apparently
>>739553371It was only an exceptionally well received RPG on a system that desperately needed more of them, I can't believe it hasn't been nominated for sainthood by now.
>>739568828Nope, and it's fucking stupid. Every other tales game I have ever tried has failed miserably to stack up to symphonia.
>>739570070>Nope, and it's fucking stupid. Every other tales game I have ever tried has failed miserably to stack up to symphonia.I felt like this when Falcom dropped all the romance options from Kuro onwards, why introduce top tier girls only to not allow to date them.
>>739568354Nigger what the hell game is NDX?
>>739570390Narikiri Dungeon X
>>739553371We need more Colette porn and tales of loli porn in general
>>739570758Colette is pure and not for sexual.
>>739568170>Thats an amazing line, we should repeat it constantlyThats the point though. Some shit-ass punk kid going around drilling basic moral lessons into the heads of immortal deities is the entire appeal of ToS. The reason the game still shines 20 years later is because its theme is ironclad - no matter how powerful someone becomes, no matter how distant their view of the world becomes from the common perspective of the everyman, one should never forget the simple intrinsic pleasure of being a decent person and helping others, of sharing in their smiles and the simplest joys. The evil in tales of phantasia lies in the careless hearts of young men who act on impulse without care for the far-reaching consequences of their actions, and the evil in tales of symphonia lies in the callous hearts of old men who believe that their own experienced wisdom overrides the foolish desires of the naive.
>>739569572The person that leaked the game (one of the people from Life Bottle, guess he/she works for Namco) said the game would feature a new dub, the unlocalized Skits and QoL like encounter rate and exp modifiers.https://www.reddit.com/user/Fistinguranus69/
>>739569572If the original is indded a literal dudes of the street dub and not a union dub, the game is almost certainly going to be redubbed if it releases in the west again.
>>739553371>why do people hate on this game?They don't? It's literally the most popular Tales game.
>>739572270felt for the ragebait, sorry
T or S type for presea?
>>739575113I'm pretty sure T felt better to play overall.
>>739575113S if you like knockdown. T otherwise.
>>739553371Combat, character models, and "cutscenes" aged like milk.It's still a very solid entry to the series but it shows its age.
>>739554640>obvious best teamObviously not in gameplay because Sheena is dogshit.
>>739568828>>739569103They kind of did that with the sequel but it was either "accumulate enough points to lock you out of the true ending" or "continue on to the bad/normal ending where you can continue to the true ending for the latter"
>>739554438>love presea>is the only character besides lloyd who's actually good and fun to playSucks to suck
>>739555306Because she doesn't even fight like a ninja like Suzu or Jay. She just slaps cards on enemies.
>>739553371When i tried playing it i hated it because of the writing.
>>739576739Regal and Kratos/Zelos are plenty fun too.
>>739569103Hearts R had an affection system to unlock Mystic Artes
>>739579790I beat hearts R before but I just forgot it even had such a thing. My mistake
>>739569572>Keep in mind the original english dub is also very 90s/2000s low quality they literally picked up some dudes off the street to record it qualitySounds great, just release it like that.
>>739580869Are you sure about thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzRNAivv7lAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWwUdtYaPxMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1jkp6o8AS8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3_TnzZn1chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJCe9gf-jt4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Ta4GocHachttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhKAUci9dB4
>>739581885theres nothing wrong at all with the eternia dub, go check out megaman x4 if you think thats bad
>>739554650Marta is too good of a design to be forever associated with that shitty game
>>739562814It's mostly just shitposting. Abyss is genuinely an inferior game on so many levels.>Fewer playable characters>Less equipment, basically no interesting equipment in the game>Character customization is totally fucked because of cores>Combo system completely butchered as a knee jerk reaction to infinites in Symphonia >Hard difficulty clearly not even playtested properly>Defensive options like blocking/backdash have been nerfed to the ground unless you spend 20-40 levels just to get them back to Symphonia levels >Absolutely horrible sidequest system where you miss out on tons of content unless you buy a strategy guide>WAY too much backtracking>Super big towns with tons of rooms, which sounds cool until you realize you have to go through 50 loading screens to find a random NPC hidden in a corner to progress the story with no indication where they are in the townTales of the Abyss is a step back from Symphonia in pretty much every department. The only people who like it are people who thought the story was deep when they were 13 and never learned what good writing was. Symphonia's writing isn't anything amazing either, but at least it doesn't have people pretending like it's something more than it actually is.
>>739584039>yeah this turd is not that bad because there's a completely different pile of shit that's worse
>>739584661I legitimately dont understand why people think eternias VA sounds bad. what the fuck is so bad about it? its like people who complain about FFX VA when its objectively one of the best ever made for a video game.
>>739584615Holy fuck I hated Abyss' sidequests>Tales of Symphonia>Side quest unlocks>Can do it whenever I want (Unless I just want to see cool optional cutscenes)>Sidequest involves fighting awesome optional bosses or challenges, checking some new cutscenes for new lore>Unlock new content, costumes, equipment, etc>Tales of the Abyss>Side quest unlocks>Need to do it RIGHT NOW because if I don't do it before the next story beat I lose it forever>For some reason the side quest requires me to talk to an NPC in the previous town where I have no reason to go to>Side quest involves some menial bullshit like a fetch quest where I go back and forth between towns 10 times>Finish the quest, but wait you didn't complete some completely unrelated NPCs quest who was on the other side of the world 10 hours ago?>Sorry no reward lol see you on your next save fileI think the worst sidequest in Symphonia is the one where you need to donate 1 million gald. If you know that one, just recognize that Abyss has the exact same sort of sidequest but it's worse in every way imaginable. Imagine grinding 1 million gald and giving it away only to learn that the game just fucks you out of a reward because you didn't give a potion to an NPC 40 hours ago. What kind of fucking asshole would design the sidequests like that?
>>739585460>have to beat wandering skeleton dude to get lloyds best weapon>ok Ill be sure to do that before I go to the tower of salvation and tethe'alla>oh but you saw this cutscene too early so even though you're still in sylvarant the skeleton is gone forever now teeheesymphonia is filled with bullshit like this too.
>>739585460An anon put it best when he said that Abyss was designed just to sell guides. Vesperia too.I just wish the world maps in the two games weren't so goddamn tedious to navigate.
Since Scamco apparently has zero intention of fixing the Switch port of Symphonia they should just throw the Gamecube version on Switch 2
>it's cool you guys, she's actually a 28 year old dragon.
>>739554734>Like a rpg on a system with no other jpgs so everyone just overhype this one up because it was all they had.dingdingdingThere are dozens of better JRPGs on the PS2, but you had to look for them because the PS2 library was saturated with good games. Gamecube kiddies had slim pickings and idolized the few games they got, leading to them being massively overrated.
>>739585460>Need to do it RIGHT NOW because if I don't do it before the next story beat I lose it foreverTo be fair, ToS did this too. The most stand out in my mind being all the sword dancer fights. If you missed the first fight well, ggsbro gotta restart the game because you miss out all the other ones Symphonia games just loved this kind of stuff
DE-DE-DE- DEMON FANG
>>739585658>>739585460Its actually insane how much content I've missed out on in the symphonia/abyss/vesperia trilogy.I dont think I've ever played a jrpg with so many esoteric unlocks. Its kind of cool in a way but a completionists total nightmare
>>739562814There's always been a few who act like abyss or vesperia are the best tales. Abyss was driven more by fanboyism and vesperia more by a sense of superiority over being able to play it due to weird xbox exclusivity. Symphonia unironically mogs both.
>>739585881>dozens of better JRPGs on the PS2name ten of them, I'll wait.>inb4 you don't because you're full of shit and ps2 jrpgs were mostly trash
>>739585658>>739585883Ok fair enough, I think that might be one of the few rare cases of something that's missable. Still definitely not as bad as most of the sidequests in Tales of the Abyss though, especially considering how easy it is to bump into the Sword Dancer as long as you do a little exploring in the current dungeon you're in, while in Tales of the Abyss you usually have to backtrack to somewhere you have no reason to be and talk to a seemingly pointless NPC which is leagues easier to miss.
>the fagZelos is the most compelling and well-written nigga in the game.
>>739585859Stop being a consolepleb
>>739585859yeah, Its never getting fixed the source code has been MIA for decades now, and the most optimal way to play it has been emulating the GC port. If Virtual Console on Switch (I dunno how it works) ever gets the GC iso itll be the best way to play it.
>>739586149I've not been convinced that anything is better than undub ToS on Dolphin. The mystic artes are a nothingburger and the activation conditions for some of them are completely retarded
>>739554058better than xillia dungeons and beyondi wouldn't even call them dungeons.
>>739554438her attacks are abysmally slow and short rangeworst of both worlds
>>739586149>implying it wouldn't be fucked too
>>739586149The best way to play it will always be PC. Nintendo's rent a rom sucks.
Alright tell me how bad Symphonia 2 was, I had been wanting a sequel since I was a teenager who finished 1 but upon finding out how bad 2 was and was exclusive on the Wii (I got a PS3 for my weeb games atp) I disregarded it.
>>739586618It's bad. Its a creature raising game more than a Tales game. You only have two permanent party members and the returning cast is severely limited.
>>739586618Symphonia 2 got an official release on the PS3 through Symphonia Chronicles.It's a weird game. It apes Abyss's combat system instead of relying on Symphonia's, makes odd gameplay mechanic choices like locking the levels and equipment of the old cast, and lacks many features you'd expect from Tales games of the time like costumes and cameo battles.I think this game is also the first where the devs really messed with motion-capture. It's a bit jarring at times, but some cutscenes definitely play out smoother because of it.The monster capture system is a hit-or-miss. Some love it. Others hate it because it's seen as an excuse to intentionally cripple the original cast.The overall story's a bit weak, but I thought it addressed some predictable points after the conclusion of the first game. What happens when the worlds are forcibly reunited? How do the people of both Sylvarant and Tethe'alla interact with one another with no one to really mediate between them?Most people would rightfully tell you to just ignore it, but I had my fun with it.
>>739586618The good news>They've upgraded to use the Abyss engine for a functional and fairly balanced free run battle system.>They've made real cutscenes with mocapped animation>They've created a pokemon/persona style monster catching mechanic where you can befriend the monster you fight and evolve themThe Bad news>The budget is significantly smaller, and so they've cut the overworld and replaced it with FFX style location select>The MC is a bitch>The game is like 75% reused assets between symphonia and Abyss, 25% new content made for the game.>The english dub is a big downgrade with nearly none of the cast returning.>Returning characters are not permanently involved, to make room for the monster raising mechanic and Marta
why dont critics like tales of games, the only one they ever even gave a second look was vesperia
>>739586618somehow what ticked me off the most was no overworldotherwise i mostly enjoyed it
>>739575113Cheat and use both.
>>739587380Its because one of the biggest questions everyone had is how the new world would look like after the merge you worked so hard to pull off.Then in the sequel everything is loading screens so it doesn't even feel like you changed anything
>>739587380>Eizen in Berseria is a literal pirate with his own ship and crew >no world map to sail around on I’ll never fucking forgive Scamco for killing off world maps
>>739587443I always thought Sylverant and Tethe'alla were layered over each other, like the worlds from FF5. Instead its literally cut in half.I'd played Phantasia but you never really get a good look at the full world map.
>>739585943>fanboyismSymphonia is the one people suck the cock of just because it came out on the Gamecube when they were 10.
>>739569102Hot cold
>>739588454Symphonia is legit the most fun game because the combat in it is designed like a legitimate fighting game.>Tons of freedom with the combo system>Can't just free run around your opponent in circles, have to tackle them head on>Defensive options like blocking and backdashing are extremely useful>Most attacks are plus on hit but minus on block, just like they should be in a fighting game>Combat is actually about playing footsies with the boss and recognizing plus/minus situationsThe problem was that once you figure this out, Symphonia is actually pretty easy, especially if you realize how easy it is to do infinite combos. Also the thing about fighting games is that while being plus on hit makes sense, the AI in Symphonia is too stupid to recognize "Oh no I'm minus, I should block", so you can basically psuedo infinite a lot of enemies by just doing AAA demon fang. It's fun but it's like beating up an easy mode AI in a fighting game.The issue is that in the games right after Symphonia, the devs didn't say "We have a cool fighting game + Action RPG base to work with" and making the AI smarter, they went with "wtf players are too strong we need to nerf them". They basically removed all the fun out of the combat system and in return we got free run, which is sort of cool because it gives players freedom, but at the same time it devolved games like Tales of the Abyss' fights into just running circles around the enemy until your partners kill them or something.
>>739589157>Plus on hit/minus on lockTales of the Abyss and even Vesperia are awful about this. So many attacks are so laggy that even if you hit the opponent with it, you're punishable on hit and you'll get your ass kicked. Most attacks are basically worthless if you don't manual cancel/spell cancel them because you'll leave yourself too vulnerable even if it hits.
>>739553371Characters are unlikable and the plot is a bad ripoff of FFX>>739554029This is the correct answer.
>>739589330kek the first hour of vesperia I'm learning to regularly guard cancel because the game feels so hostile to you otherwise
>>739589589I still have nightmares of that first Zagi battle on Hard.
>>739553371Because it's Anime Tropes: The Game. It's only your favorite if you played it as a kid. Mechanically, future games like Xillia 2 are better. Narratively, Abyss BTFOs it. Years ago when oldfags still reigned Tales discussion it was overated, nowadays it's more often thought of as what it is: mid.
>>739590350As someone who played Symphonia, Abyss, and Vesperia all around the same time, Abyss is just actively unpleasant. I don't know what anyone sees in its narrative, but if you're complaining about anime tropes in Symphonia, but not Abyss, I don't think you have anything insightful to say.
>>739586070yeah but OP just met him and he's a pretty annoying fag at first.
>>739590549Sounds like a (You) issue to me.
>>739590549>I don't know what anyone sees in its narrativeYou stopped to think that maybe you're the exception fren?
>>739590770I do not care what fujos think, they are not human.
>>739590549>Abyss is just actively unpleasantI'm conditioned to automatically dismiss anyone who talks like this about Abyss because there's a high probability they're one of the bumbling retards who just can't get the Akzeriuth fallout scene through their heads.
>>739590770They have good taste in OPsIt is fascinating how they like Abyss just so much more than the west
>>739590864I can't even remember what you're referring to or if I even got that far. When I say actively unpleasant, I meant everything and I dropped it. The last thing I remember is killing the little girl and being forced to do more backtracking.
>>739591158>I can't even remember what you're referring tonta but that automatically means nobody should take any opinion you have on the game seriously.
>>739590215that fucking wolf, man. that god damn fucking wolf
>>739591213Don't care, but I'd say being forgettable is a flaw and my main point of contention with the other anon was his bit about anime tropes.
>>739590864No, its genuine>most of the party are SUPPOSED to be awful people, its good writingWell then suck off buzowski or something.
>>739591431>most of the party are SUPPOSED to be awful peopleBut they're not?
>>739591431They aren't.
>>739553371It was originally only on Gamecube so it caused immense amounts of seethe
>>739591494>>739591504We know they're not SUPPOSED to be awful people, they just come across that way because the writing is garbage
>>739591597They don't though
>>739591431Being awful is one thing, some could still be awful and charismatic. It's worse when they're obnoxious and actively unlikable. The only remotely likable characters are Guy, despite being over the top allergic to women, and Luke post humbling. Compared to Symphonia's cast it's not even close.
>>739591504>>739591494please play the video game before you discuss the video game. does the party not improve and learn to stop being awful people in the third act of the game? are you denying that this plot point happened? are you trying to say that the first two-thirds of the game they were actually bright and friendly and nice and wonderful to be around, and that this plot point in the third act fails because of this because they have never been bad people and have no need to attempt to redeem themselves?
>>739591597>they just come across that wayBut they don't?
>>739592195>does the party not improve in the third act of the gameAs much as any other JRPG party does in their respective games. Red XIII improves after Cosmo Canyon, Raine improves when she confronts her mom.>and learn to stop being awful peopleThey never were, thoughever>are you trying to say that the first two-thirds of the game they were actually bright and friendly and nice and wonderful to be aroundPretty much, yeah. They act professionally, they just realistically take some time to become actual friends instead of it being a thing 0.3 seconds after joining the party just because it's a genre staple and someone talks about the power of friendship defeating all. Some of them have lived long lives (all of them, compared to Earth standards) and are weary of people they met a week ago. Jade, Tear and Anise are military, Natalia is royalty, Guy is ex-royalty. They talk and act accordingly throughout the first Act like deciding to protect Ion and Luke because they're civvies, while still having plenty of skits to show friendly banter and joking around. Tear apologizes early on for taking Luke's "amnesia" lightly. Guy/Natalia agree part of Luke's personality is on them given he grew up around 'em. Jade's entire internal character conflict is over his creation of fomicry and the guilt that came with it after he separated from Saphir on their Nebilim project, to then go so far as to ask Luke for forgiveness for his past mistakes (and be surprised when Luke tells him he is glad in a way, because otherwise he wouln't have been born). It will always fascinate me how Abyss is the one game that randomly makes people with low attention spans seethe.
>>739592482I don't think it's a matter of attention spans, it's people who can't read social situations. You know the word.
>>739558024>JRPG hater is mentally ill and also deeply unhappyWhy is this so common?
>>739592596You're a weeb, have some self awareness.
>>739592482And here I repeat my point, just go read bukowski or hemmingway instead. What is the point, honestly, of this level of dry realism in a series built around a band of teenagers killing god? Why even bother with the bait and switch of Luke being a party member when in reality the core of the game and all of its conflicts are between the three military deserters (*eventually, for anise) of three competing armies with three different viewpoints on how the overarching conflicts are best solved and how their respective factions are best confronted? The game's story is wasted as a teen action game, and the Tales game is wasted for attempting to half-deliver a story that it knows is too complex for its audience if presented in full force.
>>739591597Only Jade and Anise, saying Tear and Guy are awful is your headcanon
>dodging abyss spoilers itt like the matrixyoure not getting me this time fags, its next after symphonia
>>739592884>just go read bukowski or hemmingway insteadI think I'd rather keep playing well written games like Abyss, thank you anon.
>>739586618I actually really like Symphonia 2 my biggest gripe is the super meter fills up way too fast so a lot of the game boils down to using your mystic arte or the new unison attacks with monsters especially on the higher difficulties.
Played through symphonia like 5 timesDropped abyssDropped vesperiaSymphonia 2 doesn't existfreeshrugs.jpg
>>739593167Sorry anon, for my part I'll stop posting about Abyss. Hope you enjoy it.
>>739593285play eternia. dont wait for the shit demaster. play it NOW. ps1 version, hard mode.
>>739593446Garbage take, PS1 version ran at half fps. Play PSP version.
>>739593660enjoy your cropped backgrounds bro
>>739553371I find the gameplay incredibly hard to go back to. Story and characters still hold up but god I hate actually playing it.
>>739589157>tons of freedom with the combo systemLevel 1 > level 2 > level 3, add in an extra level 1 before 2 if you're using Lloyd with ability plus. Or you play as Zelos/Kratos and use super chain in which case you can do them in any order, but depending on your EX skill setup you may not be using these skills on those characters. Also lmao if you try to play Genis or Raine.>can't just free run around your opponents in circles, have to tackle them head onThe AI is capable of using free run just fine, it seems like an arbitrary restriction to not let you do it. And I'm not talking about enemies, your party members can in fact run freely while getting to where they want to be.>defensive options like blocking and backdashing are extremely usefulOnly because they decided you can't free run to reposition yourself. Quick turn is generally better because you can just walk away from attacks instead of having to eat them.>most attacks are plus on hit but minus on block, just like they should be in a fighting gameAnd how often does this even come into play? This is ignoring how most higher tier spells like Photon will go through a guard anyway meaning it doesn't matter.>combat is actually about playing footsies with the boss and recognizing plus/minus situationsIt's actually keeping the boss off your mages while you and your other physical party members wail on them, or if it's a summon spirit fight Sheena spends the whole battle on the ground because she's trash.
>>739553371Its the best tales game, and Sheena is best girl.
>unicorn can only meet with a "fair maiden">raine says she cant do because "shes an adult"raine is a canon slut for BHC confirmed
>>739594131Duh, how do you think she afforded to keep Genis and her fedDo you really think teaching covered it
>>739553371I don't hate it. I think it's juvenile and overrated.
>>739593167Based. I hope you never get spoiled that Van is Luke from the future lol that blew me away.
>>739593446Not in the loop, what's demastered about it?
>>739593904I'm honestly impressed at how much you just disregarded the entire game just to try and be contrarian.I mean seriously do you even know how video games work.>How often do plus and minus frames come into playLITERALLY EVERY ATTACK. Have you NEVER played a fighting game before? Or even a Tales game for that matter? Like I get it that Tales fans don't usually talk about frame data but still. I mean even your first point just makes it clear that you've either never played a Tales of game, or you interact with them on such a low level that you have no idea what you're talking about anyways. I'm genuinely disturbed at why you thought making such a dumb post was such a good idea.
I'll never understand those Symphoniafags who hate every game in the series except Symphonia but whatever I guess. Tales games are nice.
>>739593904>Defensive options are only good because you can't free runYou do realize that all the previous Tales games also did not have free run and there was a whole line up of 2D games where the concept of free run wouldn't even make sense right
>>739594541nta but why would symphonia be better for having less refined gameplay?
>>739594339We literally know nothing about it. He's just being retarded.
>>739594449Its probably a gamecube thing. People who grew up with it worship the good games it got. The jrpg library on it was also absolutely dire and ToS was objectively the best on the entire system for that.
>>739594639>>739594339idk maybe because every demake in the past 20 years across all devs has been worse than the original? some outsourced jeetware is never going to be better than a classic game made by talented devs
>>739594691>objectively the best on the entire system for that.not when TTYD exists nigger
>>739594339You're replying to a schizo who doesn't even the series
>>739594712it's just going to be a port with QoL stuff
>>739594769Mario rpgs are not the type of jrpgs people usually talk about and you know it.
>>739594712Knowing Namco, it will literally just be the PSP version.
>>739594449Its not that, its just that the bulk of people who arent symphoniafags hold up some of the most dogshit titles as the best instead. Like, if people went to bat for Legendia or Eternity or Destiny 2 or Phantasia it would be one thing, but instead they're going around trying to raise Abyss and Vesperia as the paragons of series quality.
>>739595001>ABYSS AND VESPERIA BADTone it down sis
>>739595001>they're going around trying to raise Abyss and Vesperia as the paragons of seriesYou people aren't even subtle. Is it fun to you?
>>739595038ah yes, i should have mentioned that these posters also defend these favorite games by shitposting alone because they played the game once, over half their life ago, and dont actually remember why they liked it.
>>739559817At least the devs were based enough to let you have her be Lloyd's waifu.
I was a little baby when I played Symphonie and I enjoyed it but after returning to the series with Vesparia I can't remember if Symphonia also drip fed mechanics this slowly? I feel like I'm halfway through Vesparia and I'm only just getting the last of some pretty basic combo mechanics.Also that betrayal twist was dogshit.
>>739595163Symphonia drip fed you party members over the entire game. Vesperia dumps the entire roster on you 10 hours in (except judith, who is 20 hours in) and then gives you no tools to actually play them until the end of the game.
>>739554018I was planning on playing it just now on the switch, but it is better to play it on a hacked wii u to play the ngc version?
>>739594691No, that would be Skies of Arcadia Legends
>>739595163The problem with Vesperia is that 90% of battle mechanics are tied to grinding out equipment from the moment you start. Backstepping, linking basic artes to advanced artes, being able to combo in the air, being able to recover mid-air. Then there artes you can only learn by using specific artes X amount of times with 1-2 skills equipped. And finally artes change or obtain new properties the more you use them (50, 100, 150+ uses). It's a chore to get all the stuff needed to do cool combos all for enemies to die in two hits (unless you deliberately equip skills to reduce damage output) and bosses to escape whenever they fucking feel like it.>>739595378The Switch version is literally the worst version. Play any other.
>>739553371cuz its dogshit like all tales gamestrash self insert beta male rpgs for pencil dicksreminds me of sword art online lol
for me its solo presea
>>739593703Enjoy your crappy fps and non-widescreen
>>739595887>enjoy the game the way it was designed and meant to be playedthanks I will
>>739594712Destiny R DC was betterGraces F was betterVesperia PS3 was betterPhantasia X was betterInnocence R was betterYou're still retarded
>>739595969>It's supposed to run like shit!
>>739595765Give me modded Presea.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoIhaRexhJ8
>Another one of THESE threads.
>>739585460Vesperia is worse, just so you know.
>>739594449I wanted to like this series. I gave it an honest chance and recommendations a shot. I came away from it thinking every other tales game I've ever played is essentially around symphonia 2 levels of quality.
>>739597245List them. Not all of them are good; pretty much everything after Graces is trash.
what the fuck is wrong with him?
>>739598251He can only get hard when he betrays others.
>>739598251The party deserves him for forgiving him so many times.
>>739598251You lie to him throughout the entire game and his loyalty was established right off the bat to be contingent on the deity you were supposedly chaperoning to save everyone's lives. When he finds out she's a fraud, he doesn't care who gets in the way. So Leia deserved that bullet.
>>739596587Sex with Eleanor.
>>739593268>Apiss>well written
Abyss story isn't bad because of its characters, they're actually done well and are some of the most likeable of the franchise. The problem comes from its depiction of serious and nuanced issues in a very simple and childlike way. You have multiple factions with conflicting politics but LMAO CRAZY EVIL BAD GUY IS EVIL AND CRAZY. You even have the MC abruptly go through his character arc in a very inorganic way just be cause the script said so. Like, where are his morals coming from to even care about his mistakes? Doesn't seem like he's well versed in the church considering he didn't even know why Ion was important to begin with. All this comes off as somewhat dated and pedantic since even modern anime understands how to handle these plot points by using RotTK as an influence.I feel that this is what people have major misgivings with the game since the majority of the time is spent watching the story unfold, cutscenes and progressing dialog boxes, instead of actually playing a jrpg, dungeons and exploration with lots of side quests. If anybody wants me to elaborate further, I'd be willing to but my memory is fuzzy since the game wasn't a pleasant ride for me despite enjoying the world and characters.
>colette is back to normal againngl it felt really good :')
>>739600616To be honest, I'm always down for actual effort posts even if I might not agree with them. Anything is better than "ur brown and trans""No! Ur brown and trans!"
>>739601236UR BROWN AND TRANS
>>739554018The Switch version is fine, it's on par with the other remaster versions, but the real issue is that all ports of Symphonia use the PS2 version as the basis. That one only runs at 30fps, which isn't too important for Tales but it does make for an inferior experience compared to the Gamecube's 60fps. And the PS2 content is still japanese dub only.>>739554058>Getting mogged by sokoban of all things
>used cheats to unlock all the alternate costumes cause I dont give a fuck>check out sheenasHOLY FUCKING SEXXOOOOO
>>739602443Sex
If you didn't play the gamecube version, you didn't actually play Symphonia.
>>739603982The real way is GC Symphonia on Dolphin.
Symphonia just is a magical game where you spent like 20 hours wandering Sylvarant before finally reaching the Tower of Salvation, thinking that your journey is finally over. What a journey it's been...Then you find out that you're only about 1/3 done and the game is fucking massive, absolutely blew my mind as a kid. When you get to Tethealla and the new battle music kicks in, it's so fucking kino
>>739601571>The Switch version is fineIt has audio and visual bugs none of the others do plus worse loading. And it got zero improvements on Switch 2 since it's locked to 30fps and they never updated it again.
>>739561941At the most optimized high-end play -- like super autist level -- the actual high tiers would be anyone who could spell cancel for infinite combos. Lloyd is mid due to being unable to do so while also being TP intensive, but he's a very safe character due to his mobility and get-out-of-jail techs.
>>739604915Spell canceling legit feels like an exploit and I don’t like to do it just makes the game too damn easy once you can do it consistently
