They brought back the spectacle and epicness of FF with FFXVI, now they just need to iron out the general gameplay for FFXVII and you have a solid modern FF. FFXVI was what FFXV should have been: a solid foundation.
FF16 was shit and no amount of cope will change that.
>>739562278FF16 is the type of game that is useless to discuss on /v/. No game is hated so gratuitiously as 16.
>>739562514Yeah well, when you realize /v/ will always overrate the most mediocre shit you will realize that you just need to stick to your guns and what you believe and not let vermins tell you what is wrong or what is right.
Is the combat in FF7 Rebirth better than in remake? I kinda like the remake but I'm not the biggest fan of the combat.
>>739562719depends on what you didnt like from remake combat
ff16 had the worst sidequests ive ever experienced in a jrpg. the game felt like hardcore rollercoaster whip lash. one minute you're having fun with the speed, sounds, and visuals of the ride and then your neck SNAPS back into reality with dullness, pain, and suffering.
I've never been more disappointed in a AAA game than I was with XVI.How the hell do you set out to make a Final Fantasy game but end up making a mediocre devil may cry clone? Like how the fuck does that even happen?
>>739562278True. FFXVI was 10/10 Final Fantasy kino
>>739562278FFXVI's "spectacle" is pure garbage. The careful visual direction Nomura showcased in FFVIII 27 years ago on the PS1 outdid anything in this bloated pile of shit.
>>739562278>now they just need to iron out the general gameplay for FFXVII and you have a solid modern FF.My view also. Go with Rebirth's combat, and it's perfecto.
>>739563049probably the first main series ff game where you dont get a real party. the only playable character is clive. at least in ff7 remake you can switch to big booba or black man.
>>739562792It feels like it’s trying to mix action combat with tactical gameplay without fully succeeding at either.
>>739563142I enjoyed XVI's combat a lot more than Rebirth's, honestly. They just need to make it less repetitive.
>>739563216needed a party
The game felt like a bunch of Unreal Engine 5 levels stitched together
>>739563051You’re the only person that has been spamming this for years of your life and yet the game is still deeply hatedCurious, at least XIII has fans
>>739562719Yes and Yuffie makes playing the game worth it by herself.
>>73956251416 is fine. Just ignore the melodramatic zoomies that rush to call everything shit.
>>739562278I generally don't think of Final Fantasy as having the grand scale that would have an early game fight where Godzilla beats up another giant monster. It definitely has huge escalation where the last boss is a threat to the entire world, but that's at the end and you still usually hit him with a sword until he dies. FF16 didn't really have the spectacle I'd expect from a Final Fantasy game, both in ramping up from killing spiders to battling Satan, and in traversing an entire world on foot to see the massive scale of the game. That hardly matters, though, compared to whether the combat is fun or not. FF16 combat is at least the most fun the series has had for 20 years, and more fun than some of the ones before that.
>>739563051True
>>739562278i just preffered E33's mystery niggas in a row to be honest my man.
>>739562719There's more of an attempt to make an action game where timed blocking or whatever is rewarded and characters have more moves available to do things they basically couldn't before. It's still clearly Remake combat at its core, so don't expect a page 1 rewrite. They sanded off some of the edges.
>>739563631>I generally don't think of Final Fantasy as having the grand scale that would have an early game fight where Godzilla beats up another giant monster.10 had a giant monster destroying cities and villages and armies
>>739563515False.>>739563592It's an epidemic these days, for sure.
>>739563742Good to know. Thanks!
>>739562278
The real problem with 16 is that it was boring. The cast was a bunch of basically reasonable people wanting basically reasonable things wearing basic, conservative clothing. There was no brash hot head like Barret, no airheaded idiot like Zell, no sex appeal like Lulu and no quirky elements like cactuar to add bits of levity and charm. Barnabas and his lackey were the only ones allowed to be slightly unhinged and weird before they were killed off and then the plot goes right back to being a fucking snoozefest. It's like the creators were scared of having fun with the world.
>>739563592So fine that nobody talks about the story, nobody praises the gameplay, autistic obsessives don't sped run it, lore schizos don't invent retarded fan theories about it, nobody posts images in awe of any cool moments from it, and so on
They should the octopath traveler ost guy to make it. Uematsu was a large part of why 6, 7, 9 and 10 are so fondly rememberedI think Nishiki has it. Mitsuda did as well at a time ( during xenogears era ) but he is washed now
>>739562278I liked Final Fantasy XVI but I liked Final Fantasy XV better as going on adventures with the homies was far more fun.Also Both FFXVI and FFXV are better than Slop Obscur 33
>>739562278I just want 3 (or 4) niggas in a row. Is that so hard? Expedition 33 proved it's still a viable formula.
>>739564403Fuck off, the uncle is the best character in the whole series thus far. If you didn't smile at the play scene you are too far gone.
>>739564631Naoshi Mizuta. He's the guy that did XI and SoP soundtracks.
>>739564671>Expedition 33 proved it's still a viable formula.Then keep playing that
>>739564674insecure VIII-fags are brain damaged from years of abuse from the FF fanbase, there's no point in engaging with them at all
>>739564674Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Yeah, he's based but sadly not enough to save the entirety of the world from being bland.
>>739562278Who's making FF17? CBU3 is busy with XIV and CBU2 is busy runining 7R
>>739564146Damn, now imagine if this game had a party, and like a job system, and like was an RPG.
>>739563912Yes, and that's the final boss. You don't kill Sin 5 hours after the game starts and then go after the even bigger monsters Hin, Min, and Rin.
>>739564782>name dropping characters form the Kitase games = VIII-fagam I missing something or ???
>>739562278There are still a lot of FF fans around, but they're mostly just nostalgiafags that spend time talking about FF online. They don't actually car about buying and playing the games. And the sales reflect that reality. Rocket League just announced it's being ported onto Unreal Engine 6 in front of a live crowd of tens of thousands. It has up to 100 million monthly active users. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ifIN2VWrmUIt's time to move on or just play the only successful FF game these days: FFXIV
>>739562278I finished it like hour ago on my xbawks and I loved it. Im not FF fan though only FF games ive played before this were Jacks game and FFX. Always wanted to try FF7 but fans of this one are corniest faggots in the universe so im skeptical.
>>739563592Idk, I thought it was genuinely pretty bad. I usually have a pretty high tolerance for bad games but I got as far as the first meeting with Benedikta before I realized that I was bored out of my mind and dropped it.>>739563486It felt like Yoshi-P really wanted to make his own version of Game of Thrones, and Square Enix said "you have to actually add some gameplay to the cutscenes" and he just rolled his eyes and threw some bullshit together
>>739565059BasedYeah don't bother with 7R it's corny animeslop
>>739565116>posted it again award
>FF13Versus shows over dramatic depictions of conflict layered with soap opera style phrases like "This is a fantasy based on reality" and character designs reminiscent of emo/punk/visual kei street fashions of the mid to late 2000s that never came out>schitzo conspiracy theories and cope for decades over a possible comeback>FF16 shows actual historically paralleled depictions of conflict, more grounded phrases like "the history of the crystals have shaped our history long enough" and character designs that seem to fit the setting and tone, also it actually released>cricketsFF fans don't deserve good stories, they just want KH style slop with a My Chemical Romance visual filter layered over it
>>739565480The story wasn't the issue, it was just boring as fuck to actually play.
>>739565480>FF fans don't deserve good storiesthose are just the Kingdom Hearts Nomura secondaries that have infected the Final Fantasy fanbase
Paraphrasing Yoshi-P's own words about wanting to make HBO normalfag slop is bait to these "people".
>>739565116>Yoshi-P really wanted to make his own version of Game of ThronesYou do know he wasn't the director right?
>>739565442>againThis is the first time I've ever posted about FF16 here lol
>>739565757Wasn't the game made by CBU3, which Yoshi-P runs? Don't really know much about Square's corporate structure, coming from FF14 we all talk about the game with the assumption that it's his project and I thought the same went for 16
>>739565625>The story wasn't the issueThe story was also boring as fuck and my proof of that is no one fucking talks about any aspect of it. No anons create autistic crackpot theories about any of the female characters, there are no memes, there are no moments anyone highlights as being kino, fucking NOTHING. Meanwhile Versus13 is a failed title that didn't even release and you have schitzos foaming at the mouth to create this false narrative that it was to be Nomura's magnum opus and Stella was going to be a top tier waifu.
>>739562278Demo tricked me just like the Duscae demo tricked me. XVII won't be good.
>>739565757He was the producer. Since you obviously don't know anything about this topic you should shut up and do some research.
>>739565959They should just do an Early Access FF game. Oh, wait. They already are.
>>739566020I clearly know more than you.
>>739562278Best summons in the series
>>739566121>retard is too arrogant to fact check himself, doubles down insteadIt's all so tiresome.
>>739562963I just stopped doing them unless it had a plus next to it.
>>739566363I did them all and had fun doing itIdk what the complaint is honestlyPeople do lots of pointless sidequests in most RPGs, XVI's really weren't as egregious as claimed imo
>>739566671In my opinion, they were incredibly boring.
People were expecting anything but an Asuras Wrath FF edition. As an AW fan I enjoyed it a lot, but I get the criticism, this should have been an entry to a spinoff action series, not a mainline FF game.
>>739565059Play 7, ignore the fans. Simple.
>>739562278>They brought back the spectacle and epicness of FFyes now they only need to fix the terrible gameplay, horrible writing, pacing, subquests, plot and actually be final fantasy instead of epic fantasy
>>739566671>I did them all and had fun doing itwhat a retarded bait
>>739562278Just finished FFXVI. I'm actually in shock at how horrible the story was and how excruciatingly long and pointless the cutscenes were.I like movie games and I like story games but this game would have been better with no story at all
>>739562461FF16 was an emotionally stirring masterpiece and no amount of uncultured detractors will change that.
>>739562278FF without party members is not FF. Idk why they didn't make Cid, Jill and Joshua playable characters. Also the combat shouldn't be this braindead.
>>739567598No, but it COULD HAVE been an emotionally stirring story if they cut out the pointless filler dialogue and made the cutscenes 10% as long as they actually were
>>739567779>it could've been emotionally stirring if we spent less time with the charactersthat's how you sound
>>739567598Based and true!>>739567779>cut game content so I can get back to my fortnites quickerNo
>>739563113nah fuck that. Ifrit rider kicking a mountain was kino and I'm not hearing otherwise.
>>739567941>if we spent less time with the charactersStories are not supposed to be friendship simulators. They are supposed to be dramatic narratives.Yes, interactions between the characters are important to the extent that the interactions develop characters or drive the story forward. If they just fill up time and repeat the same shit over and over again it's painfulGo play SIMS if you just want to hang out with NPCs
>>739567317dissidia was so fun man
>>739568037>big brown guy gets cucked multiple timesThat substory was weird as fuck lmao but him loving that whore so much was interesting contrast to how chad like his design is kupka is some weird ass chad cuckold mixture.
>>739562278Best combat in the series, can’t wait for them to polish it up with more party members besides torgal and more rpg like mechanics like status effects and elemental weaknesses Most retards who bitch about this game dont even know what they want out of the series and probably think 7rebirth has amazing combat or something Kino protagonist whos a chad Enjoyable villains Cool as fuck concept (asuras wrath with game of thrones with attack on titan with classic ff) Great music Cool ass areas Biggest flaw is shitty exploration and lack of party interactions
>>739568172Well in XVI's case, I think all the characters aside from Clive are basically wasted and get far less development and moments to shine than they should have. Majority of character deaths come off massively underbaked because you barely know any of them.
>>739568172You'd be right if you were talking about any other artistic medium besides video games, which are built on interactivity and immersion.
>>739568420>Kino protagonist whos a chadClive is literally a crybaby incel who spends half the game whining about his mom, is afraid of Veil whores, and afraid of kissing Jill. Jill has to literally molest him before he shows any affection
>>739568579He saved himself for his beautiful wife while they both battled their traumas to be better for each other, culminating in him having sex on screen and proceeding to beat the shit out of the two main villains You are retarded
Best character was Cid and they killed him too early.
>>739562278Can they bring back the good gameplay and story ?
>>739568159I know for a fact only mentally retarded people write kino so thanks for continuing the trend
>>739568936>gets cucked to death and becomes a meme
>>739562278>Already have a proven action FF spinoff that sold well and could become an entire series>Insist on making mainline FF action based instead of keeping it turn-based/ATB for which its knownThe retardation of suits is beyond comprehension for a mere mortal
>>739569137FFXVI outsold Rebirth 2x over btw
>>739562278>yoshipiss tranny is making these threads daily trying create a positive image of 16We all played it, it's dogshit covered in dogpiss, you can't gaslight anyone into thinking it was good
>>739569215>mainline game sold more than a 1/3rd of a remakeWow it must be a masterpiece then
>>739569114lmao
>>739569114Kek
>>739562278>FF15 (sorry, sorry: "16") flopped.>Yoshi-Piss is stuck doing FF14: Online forever now>Seems happier doing that than directing 15, however, going by Evercold and laying his big Asian cock on the CEO's desk and going "do you want Square to live? Fund 14 over stupid shit like single-player FF which are dead now."
>>739569215And both sold like shit overall, coincidentally both are mainline games turned action basedWhat point are you even trying to make
>>739564856no one, expect the next FF to come out in 20 years
>We chose a tranny-loving westaboo faggot who hates Final Fantasy and being japanese to direct the new FF game. Clearly this will save the series.
>>739569215This is not the praise you think it is. Rebirth sold like dogshit.
>>739569114Nobody predicted it, even in the leak phase nobody could believe it.
>>739569114
16 is the first mainline FF game I didn't buy at release since FF8. Modern FF games do not hold any interest for me. They've been shit since 12.
>>739562278The biggest flaw in this game's story is that it tries and fails to create a sense of intrigue.>Everyone knows there are supposed to be 8 Eikons, one for each element>But YOU main character have a 2nd Eikon of fire?>How could this be?>What explains it?>What an tantalizing mystery!As if the theology of the world isn't completely arbitrary, as if we haven't seen 10+ iterations of summons mechanics already
>>739569475Man, this scene was so funny.
>>739567598If I wanted to watch a movie, I'd go to the theatre.
>>739569475
>completely wastes your female cast
>>739570338Sad but true
>>739570338based, women aren't interesting
>>739570338Maehiro is a hack
>>739570338Based crypto chud nip. Show dem titties and kill them off.
>>739562278This game was ass.
>>739570338Mid was the best girl.
>>739571031nah, she was mid
>>739570041no you wouldn't
>>739568936Cid's VA was dying to create that shit awful voice so he had to die early in game before shit gets real.
>>739570772>We want the Jersey Shore audience
>wasted god knows how much dev time and effort on this shit
>>73956227815 is better.
>>739570772It's magic. That's why rid the world of it.
>>739570338yet these are all extremely memorable and beautiful heroinesyou're just upset they were written like real women and didn't girlboss or make moe-moe-kyun anime girl noises
>>739562278Bored me to sleep and every time I mentioned how piss easy and shallow it is I got told I needed to slog through 60 hours to unlock the real game which is just the same game again but the enemies do more damage.
>>739571834but enough about Kingdom Hearts 2
>>739571668what are you talking about? majority of the female cast are evil girlboss cunts. the meme behind the game is that it was written by fujos to make all the men appealing and sexy while most of the girls are evil or sluts. jill was made to be the female insert to be with clive. jill has no character and really does nothing the entire game.
>>739562278XVI was so bad it made me want to play XV again and I will forever hate it for making me waste $8 on a key for the Steam version of XV.
>>739571668This
>>739566163>projecting
>>739570959Nah it was alright, better than 15 at least
I could have fixed her
>>739572950Not projecting when you're factually observing what has occurred.
>>739562278>spectacle and epicness of FFOkay, so it's your fault the games are shit now. You think "spectable and epicness" are all that matter.
>>739571668Imagine hating Jill and not welling up with tears with her at the ending...
>>739562278At least 15 was an rpg and had sexy women.
16 was the best Final Fantasy since 10.
>>739571834It is way too easy, and I like the game. It should just have a hard mode available from the start that's similar to Ultimania difficulty.
Trash game will forever stay trash
>>739574867Posting this image all the fucking time just makes everyone see you as a simpleton unable to have opinions of his own who relies on e-celebs to decide what he should and shouldn't like.
>>739574867Yes but what is Asmongolds opinion about FF16?
>>739574867MrMattyShills loved Fallout 4 and 76 btw
>>739574867Also Sebbywebz said it was shit.
>>739571834This is what happens when you take inspiration from the wrong genre. I'd hate DMC games too if they dragged on for 30 hours for no reason and locked hard mode behind New Game Plus. But this is Final Fantasy, it's an RPG. You're supposed to have side content to justify the filler and difficulty, but XVI gives you probably the worst fetch quests ever with zero exploration and zero difficulty. Gran Pulse in XIII is more fun to explore than the whole of XVI.
>>739574406It is when you obviously don't know shit.
>>739574797since IX even
I got FFXVI on deep sale a few weeks ago, and I've slowly been playing through it, and I don't get the hate. I'm far more invested in the world and story of FFXVI. Compare that to FFXV, where I loved the characters but had zero interest in the plot, world, or romance. It was an excellent camping with the boys simulator but I never bothered to advance the story and I barely remember it now.
>>739562278>not turn based>flops>lower user rating than even xv >btfo 3 times over by e33 with 1/20th the budgetyoshitpiss would kill himself if he had any honor
>>739575054>shallow combat>few enemy mechanics that don’t boil down to just dodging attacks with an extremely generous dodge window>little build potential due to how few customization options there are>zero worthwhile exploration with invisible walls everywhere. Can’t even jump on things in a town.>corridor dungeons that are aesthetically different but functionally identical to one another, with zero level interaction aside from occasionally pulling a lever or opening a door>the dullest side quests ever implemented into a video game>boring dull characters. the handful that are good like cid stand out because of how monumentally better they are compared to the other 98% of the cast>generic “epic” orchestral soundtrack. only a handful of tracks can be classified as bangers>graphic fidelity is very high, but art style is incredibly uninspiredEvery time someone asks for honest opinions on XVI it's always one of the takes above. Then yoshipiss cult or retards defend it and the cycle just keeps going. The fact is the game betrayed what FF stands for and most people hate it, not just me. The fact that E33 did better than this game both financially and critically proves my point.
>>739575529Also, they did Benedikta dirty. I thought they were really going to go somewhere interesting with her after you defeat her and get her eikon, but nope! Axes out of nowhere instakill everyone. I nearly dropped the game at that point.
>>739575579It's pretty funny that their pivot away from turn-based was immediately followed by multiple turn-based games coming out and making bank (BG3, Metaphor, E33)
Graphics, sure. Music was ok, story was a mess, gameplay was a weird singleplayer MMO rotation that forced you to do fetch quests and the general RPG mechanics didn't exist or matter. SoP was a better feel for how an action based FF should be.
You can samefag all you want but that doesn't make it any less dogshit
>>739575313All of this because you refuse to look up what the directors and producer do @ Japanese game dev companies
Ultima is one of the worst and most forgettable villains in the entirety of videogames and the entirety of media in general.Anabella was a much better villain and one of the few memorable characters alongside Cid from this mess of a game.
>>739575671This pattern holds through the game. It had a good setting and potentially good characters but wastes it all to speedrun the Ultima plot.
>>739575720>SoPDiscount nioh gay looter shit, yeah no. Retarded contrarians prop up that dogshit too much
>>739575956I just destroyed the second crystal and now it looks like I'm gonna have to face off with Hugo. Don't tell me they'll do the same to him.
why does the same obsessed retard keep shitting up XVI threads with his copypasted opinions?
>have a game where Shiva and Ifrit are basically the main characters>somehow, there is not a single Eikon fight where Ifrit and Shiva team up
>>739562278they should have built on xv and improved the combat and open world design, but they did the opposite and managed to make a combat system even more boring than the infamous "hold on to win" game. it's a safe bet that the negative reception of xvi killed any chance of xvii even being remotely similar.
>>739576294Can you prove that they copypasted? Does it even matter when all the facts are there?
>>739562278FF wasn't about spectacle and epicness. It was about adventure and story/characters with more depth than what other games were putting out at the time.
>>739576504Rebirth is exactly that and proved to be the right direction. Not a single soul complained about Rebirth's gameplay, people mostly complained about the filler minigames and pacing.
I'm loving SoP but I think I'm done with it for now. The grind to end game was much more fun than the end game grind.Is FFXVI worth checking out to scratch more of that itch or should I just play Nioh?
>>739576728>Nobody bought it>Ubisoft checklist gameplay>Anime quirky grunts and dialogue>butchered story>too many minigames>DEIYeah no thanksI'll stick to high fantasy FF
>>739567941>Clive gets his ass kicked by the spaniard>It's completely one sided>Does nothing to improve his fighting capabilities in the slightest>Fights him again>Uhhhhh my WILLPOWER is so strong now akshully>WinsRetarded shit>The one interesting villain? Clive's mom>Conniving, politically maneuvering bitch>Catch up with her>AIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE>Kills herself>All of that fucking build up for nothingRetarded shit>Joshua is alive>Wtf Joshua why did you wait so long to reach out>idkRetarded shit>Clive and his friends become eco terrorists >destroying the world's entire economy and energy supply any time they blow up a crystal>This is never addressed and the consequences and moral dilemmas never shownRetarded shit>There are people who play FFXIVRetarded people>They say it has good writingRetards>Because of this, XVI is supposed to have good writing tooIt's retarded shit>FFXVIRetarded>FFXVI defendersRetards
>>739575832>I don't know what words mean
best Final Fantasy is FF14 Endwalker
>>739577594>im too low iq to realize loan words sometimes mean different things when foreigners use them
>>739577621that's not how you spell Tactics
>>739577467Kek
People have already said it, but the biggest problem with XVI's story is that the most interesting villains aren't given the proper time to breathe. You meet great villains like Garuda and Titan and then they're dead 1-2 hours later. I know they have different writers but XIV had the same issue recently. Fan favorite villains like Zenos and Emet were around for dozens of main story hours, while ones who were around for half an MSQ like Fandaniel or Zoraal Ja are completely forgettable. And in both games you have "true" final bosses like Ultima, Meteon, and Endless Sphene who are introduced too late to really care about them, but are given too much emphasis and screen time to be considered just pure forces of evil like classic bosses such as Cloud of Darkness or Zeromus.
VERY glad it flopped.
Missed opportunity to make Dion the main character. It would be cool to have a dragoon MC instead of a knight and you get to romance cute boys. Bahamut is cooler than If it too.
>>739577467>describe plot point>call it retarded>refuse to elaboratevery eloquent discourse we've got going here
XVI is basically a dumbed down version of Tales of Arise. At the end of the day Arise is still the better game just because it has actual playable party members.
>>739564529I dont really see music getting brought up either.That has to be a first.Even FF15 had that incredibly good combat theme with the violins.
>>739577858but enough about Rebirthwe're discussing the 10/10 FFXVI
>>739577467Like reading a Weekly Jump manga
>>739577676Instead of contributing anything you keep baby raging and getting rightfully called a retard.
>>739577961I'm glad third worlders such as IGN Brazil loved it but it does not appeal to first worlders such as myself.
>>739577961>>739578180Actually FFXVI reviewed very positively amongst critics and fans alike worldwide
>>739578169It was already posted in this thread how as the project's leader Yoshi-P said he wanted to use Game of Thrones as an influence for XVI.>>739565664
>>739577054>Is FFXVI worth checking out to scratch more of that itch or should I just play Nioh?Lmao 16 is nothin like SoP. If you beat SoP you will absolutely hate how braindead the combat in 16 is.If you liked gearing up your character, you will hate how 16 gear is just a linear stat increase.If you liked having a party, you will hate how 16 relegates the dog to being a potion holder.If you liked leveling up and gaining power you will hate how 16 level scales so the only thing that changes is the number getting bigger.Just get Nioh or Astlibra unless you like sucking dick because the only thing 16 is remembered for is being the first FF game to have 2 men kissing.
>>739562278doesn't matter they are compelled to hold back until they meet certain financial thresholds, they dangled giving XVI Jill gameplay if it sold better, so now we just live with the knowledge that every Final Fantasy is just going to be the bare minimum unless we get 5+ years of profitable DLC
>>739577961How is this behavior different from that Anon's>>739574867? He's spamming journalists' opinions, does that make him any different from a spam celeb?
>>739577054No, play Nioh.
>>739578269>retard missed the original point
>>739578391wait for Switch 2 releasetrust the plan
Reminder no one who has actually played the game has yet to debunk him
>>739577909>Highlight the lack of effort in said plot points>Story goes out of its way to avoid actual character or world development>Retard tries to defend itAs expected of a XVI defender
>>739578486he didn't even play itSebby is just a grifter that shits on every FFHe's right about 7R though
I don't understand why they don't just build off of FF7R's combat. It's more strategic than Brainlet May Cry and lets you have more than one guy.>waaaa every FF is different4-9 were practically the same, just with different ability systems. 7R's combat is the first combat since X that was generally well regarded.
Barry swept
>>739563592it’s not. I put 40 hours into it and beat it. keep in mind the cutscenes are 22 hours. I wanted to stop after killing shiva but couldn’t bear the thought of wasting all that money. it has tons of problems, all of which get brought up regularly in these shit threads
>>739578537So, just like Yoshipiss cult
>>739578646convenient falseflag
16 gave me the exact same disappointed feeling as 15. I could see the potential of the vision, of the world, the characters, the overall idea, but the execution in the actual game was dogshit.
>>739578565It was made by a different team, and the decision to make the combat brainless was intentional to attract a brainlet audience and they succeeded. That's why you still see retards defending it.
>>739578724Same
>>739566161well that’s wrong because they’re not summons >>739577931idk how many ff games you’ve played but they reused a lot of assets. I’ve pushed most of the game out of my memory but the zone with the vineyards is rolanberry fields with battalia downs combat music from XI
>>739578724The demo fooled me into thinking the story was going to be good.
>>739578483>initial salesr/premature_celebrations called and want their upvotes back
>>739578724XV was trash but I still respect what it tried to doXVI was peak FF though I don't really get why people whine about it
>>739578724XVI is more disappointing than XV for me. I've long wanted another Western-inspired FF like XII but with better gameplay, a bigger world to explore, a larger party roster, a politically focused story, and a rideable airship. I was so hyped when I first saw the trailer so imagine my disappointment when I realized XVI has none of this and even doubled down on what I hated about XV and XIII.
>>739562278I only liked that they went for M rating and summon fights but sex scenes shouldn’t be censored like they did and should show female nipples. -Gameplay sucked and only one playable character. Gameplay was too boring since you just spam skills-Stages were boring as fuck pretty much walking simulator -Barely any sexy character-Westernized trash also offline MMO like but glad you didn’t have to do fetch quests only one or two-Adding a fag for no reasonCould be a shitty movie honestly not a game
>>739578916Because you're a retard or underaged. Anyone who defends garbage FF should be given a name like Barry.
>>739578843>Demo shows a lot of promise>Buy game>Immediate time skip>Wait, aren't we going to see Clive as a slave mercenary and how it changed his views and personality and affected his sense of loyalty?>lol nah>btw Jill's back!>and your dog's back too!>anyways, can you serve these three plates of food to NPCs?It was pretty insane how quickly the tone changed less than five minutes past where the demo ends.
>>739578838>but the zone with the vineyards is rolanberry fields with battalia downs combat music from XIoh shit is it? I have to check that outXI composer Mizuta did work on one of the DLCs
>>739578843It fooled a lot of people. You had most streamers they gathered for their big ad campaign calling it GOTY based on the demo just for them to quietly drop the game 2-3 hours later.
>>739575529you’ve probably read less than 3 books in your life. I can only blame your upbringing and not you personally for your lack of literary inclination
>>739579031Which ones do you like? I've played them all and I'm definitely a fan of XVI.
>>739578916XVI was complete, but the fact it actually had such an incredibly low budget for a mainline game shows. Honestly, I felt that most of the Ultima/post Bahamut stuff should have been for a sequel so the first game could build up the characters and world better.
>>739577621that entire game is dogshit. literally a more casual WoW
>>739577919XVI is more focused but it's really funny realizing how the turntabled. Especially since Arise was to VII:Remake what Symphonia was to X and, Abyss was to OG VII, and Xillia/Berseria were to XIII. They were freaking out during the 2010s not having FF games to copy, Xillia 2 copped elements from Bioshock: Infinite, of all things.
>>739577852low iq take. the biggest problem with the story is the inconsistencies of the characters’ actions
>>739579145I don't play anime games so no idea what you're on about
>>739579087I wish I could enjoy every trash game like you do, it takes talent. I envy you. As you can see, I'm not a fan of XVI.
>>739578838I have played every FF game including 11 except for 15 and 16 because they are not Final Fantasy.Can you link that theme?
>>739579193XVI's story really doesn't have any big problems imo
>>739579207FF is always anime. XVI is just shitty medieval Naruto so you've already experienced an anime game.
>>739577852Ultima is great though. Embodied climate change Baby Boomer colonist that's literally the whitest thing on the planet, and you end the game by punching him in the face putting a hole through his chest. Who could possibly have a problem with that?
>>739579207Arise is an anime game. Tales is basically the platonic ideal mainstream anime game.
>>739566020In japan this is basically the same thing. He is the producer of FFXIV and you’re not gonna hear anyone say he has no influence over the game. A producer is also in charge of the product strategy after all so he very much gets a say in what goes into the game
>>739579290FF is a Western series. If you think it's anime you really don't understand Final Fantasy at all.
>>739579218might be this one. there’s like 2k tracks in ffxi and i don’t even remember the name of the area from 16https://youtu.be/QoC3oCUxQeQ
>>739579448I give up. I don't have the energy to deal with retards today.
>>739579253I have read over 1500 books and have an IQ of 138. There are a lot of problems with the story.
>>739579371Apparently because he wasn't the director he akshully had no sway over the game
I have read over 1501 books and have an IQ of 139. That anon is correct about XVI, I just want him to know I'm better than him.
>>739564146>No Black Mage>No White Mage>No Job system in generalNo wonder Yoshi-Piss is fucking up the MMORPG job system in the future.
>>739563592>zoomies>verbalIt's a psyop by one retard to make an 'alright' FF out to be the worst thing ever, and people just don't care passionately enough about XVI to bother fighting back against it anymore.
>>739577961>Literally having to put literal whos review scores on an image to try to spin the flop>3 million copies sold in a series that would sell easily 9+ million in a monthGrim.
>>739579672XVI's director is the same guy who made The Last Remnant. While I never beat that game, I already put it above XVI simply because it's turn based.
>>739579862it’s alright if it was $10 and if you could skip ALL of the side quests it’s objectively terrible otherwise
>>739579905>3 million copies sold in a series that would sell easily 9+ million in a monthFF7Rebirth didn't even come near to doing that, and that's riding on FF7's coattails.
>>739579862>Barry! Barry is making every post shitting on this bad game!
>>739579998Correct.
>>739579998that retard does seem to post whenever XVI is mentioned
>>739580145with all the same words, catchphrases and autistic fixation on "xv better than xvi"
>>739562278Shtranny marketing thread
>>739580167Even XIII is better than XVI. It is unironically autistic as fuck to presume anyone who compares XVI to the previous title in the franchise is all the same guy.>inb4 I'm assumed to be him despite not mentioning XV a single time before this post
What can he say? Every criticism of XVI is a fact. How can you argue against something that's true without sounding like a shitpost?
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>>739580249does it matter? the point of dunning kreuger is that you don’t know you’re retarded
>>739580240If just XIII alone, no. But as a trilogy, definitely. XIIILR by itself did action RPG far better than XVI despite also not having playable party members.
>>739580382fuck off retarded zoomerLR was assI played every XIII shit game on release and XIII-2 was the only decent one
>>739580240Nah, 16 is better. At least it had the good grace to`limit its "just serviceable" nature to a single game.
I'm convinced people who say XVI has a good combat system simply haven't played enough games. Even rebirth did a better job at weaving FF style RPG elements into an action game.
>>739580461I'm only comparing in terms of the action aspect. Sure, XIII-2 has deeper gameplay, and the paradigm shit is still the most underrated mechanic.
13 and 16 are equally bad for different reasons. So bad in fact I would almost apologize for 15
>>739580593I've played a lot of games and XVI's combat honestly felt a lot better to me than Rebirth's. I even liked 7R's combat more than Rebirth's.
Crisis Core Reunion is the pinnacle of Action FF.
>>739580593I only needed to play SoP to realize how garbage XVI's combat was. And to be honest, I might have enjoyed XVI more if I hadn't already played that game. It's like when you eat something that tastes so good everything else in the same category becomes dull if it doesn't reach the same quality. It's the same with XVI and SoP.
>>739562278Genuinely top 5 Final Fantasy Games >FF7 >FF9>FF10 >FF16>Tactics >>739580593>im convinced my retarded take is superior to everyone else’s Many such cases
>>739580721I've 100% CC and 16. Both suck but 16 sucks less.
>>73958062615 is worse than both
>>739580859that’s simply not true. 15 was mediocre in every aspect while 13 and 16 are abhorrent in at least half while not being good in any
>>739580846Same but I actually enjoy things so I thought both were great
>>739580240Barry is extremely noticeable because he writes in a very specific style, and is also easily caught literally copy pasting his same arguments over and over.
>>73958085915 and 13 suck ass14 and 16 are 9/10
>>73956251413 is just as bad if not worse, even though 13-2 is one of the greatest rpgs ever made.
>>739562278dogshit game for braindead retards
>>73958062613 and 16 are both fine and unlike you, a faggot parrot regurgitating youtuber opinions, I've actually played and beat both of them.
FF cultists are really weird. They'll have a completely fine game drop and they'll act like it's the worst game in existence ever because it wasn't exactly what they wanted.And they'll fight wars over it for a decade after its release.
>>73956227816 was ok, but it was a major step in the right direction, easily the best mainline ff in years, which is really more about how bad ff 13-15 were than how good 16 was. If they stop being retarded and reinventing the wheel every game they can make really good game
>>739581036I couldn’t really get into 13 but I own 13-2, could you explain why you like 13-2 so much? I tried LR and am enjoying it, also what other RPGS do you really like?
>>739580975>acting superior over enjoying eating shit.
>>739581008I assume you weren't here when XV was new? The real Barry only spammed twitter screencaps.
>>739581120>enjoying good gamesvs>hate-playing games
>>739581095Don't you ever get tired of samefagging your own thread? Do you really think no one notices your pattern?
>>739581107Great music, decent story, good characters, great art direction and graphics, good combat. The monster catching is really fun and addicting. Paradigm is far better than in 13-1. I couldn't get into LR but I do need to try again.
I can't remember the last time I felt more insulted by a game by the time the credits rolled than this. Genuinely an awful experience. It's sad to see something clearly so high-budget and decently put together on a technical level all be in service of such a boring, uninspired game.
>>739581179more like >enjoying shit games
>>739579253>Ultima manipulates things over thousands of years to create Mythos>finally finds someone he might have succeeded with>Ultima just loses track of him somehow for 10 years.also everything regarding Joshua being alive was awful. He ducks clive for half the game for no reason and when they meet up they Clive doesn't even ask him where the hell he's been? Joshua being alive just completely undermines Clive's character development of dealing with the guilt of killing him.
>>739581236The gameplay is a shoddy derivative of Devil May Cry missing many basic features that have been there since DMC1 and many of thrse features have been in past FF titles. This is where it goes from meh to insulting.
>>739581236but enough about Ubisoftbirthwe're discussing the 10/10 FFXVI
>>739581214I miss when threads used to tell how many unique ids a thread had, now retards just accuse anyone with an opinion they don't like of being the same person
>>739581371>now retards just accuse anyone with an opinion they don't like of being the same personthey used to do that anyway, even before IDs got removed
>>739581371>there's only one guy that's ever been positive about a Final Fantasy game
>>739581371>IP counter doesn't go up>Some newfag retards starts sperging out over people daring to reply more than once while having a conversationRemoving it was goodNow they need to remove the notification when someone replies to you
>>739581093I wouldn’t brag about having low standards
>>739581018>14you are a faggot or a tranny
>>739581525>faggot parrot thinks he has standardsNow tell me about how pineapple doesnt belong on pizza and nickelback is the worst band ever. Do you also enjoy every genre of music but country and rap? Talk parrot, let me hear what people told you to think.
>>739581371I'm only shitposting. No need for you to reply to me so quickly. Why would you sound so upset if there's no truth in it?
>>739581405>>739581475That's true, but it shows when it's my first post in a thread, so I can easily make fun of anyone thinking that post is samefagging. I think it did more help than harm, at least for me
>>739581602>strawman as expected of someone retarded enough to like 16
>>739562278The funniest thing to me about FFXVI is that it inherited the Barry tier autism with the victim mentality and constant need to defend it but from the XIV/Yoshida numbers to back it up even though it's generally universally seen as the most mediocre game if not outright bad.
>>739581650>doesnt even know what a strawman is Just stick to your youtuber's talking points, this is why you're a parrot, you unironically are a soulless retard.
>>739581674This but the opposite.It's a completely okay game, but nobody's going to try and actively defend the honor of a just okay game, so after the initial "fuck off retard" response to Barry and Barrylites, any attempt to tell anyone off for being retarded about XVI just tapered off, making it look like it's the worst game ever from the outside in.
XVI doesn't even have the XIV cult shills going for it since it didn't release on PC initially
>>739581620>No need for you to reply to me so quicklyWhat? My reply to you took longer than your reply to me. If we're using your logic then it's you who got upset by the truth in my post
We go from finding the real opinion on the game to finding who is samefagging. That's how I notice XVI threads usually go. Anything is better than discussing the game because it was never worth discussing.
>>739581698>strawman is also an esl lol
>>739562278I love FFXVI because it's a story about brothers with a little bit of Gurren Lagann vibe to it. The story itself was okay until the ending with Ultima. But I still had fun. I liked it enough to play through it a 2nd time. While Clive can be written off as rather generic, I thought he was pretty no-nonsense about shit (sort of, but not close to Jack's game).I still have a hard time forgiving the FF series as a whole for what was Versus 13. I spent all of my high school graduation money on a PS3 only for them to retract the title and keep it Lightning only. I'll never forget me hyping this shit up to my little bro on how good it was going to be until we get Sazh in a hotrod with a baby chocobo in his afro doing burnouts.
They claim the game is fineYou post any aspect of the game anyone with common sense can see is shit, such as the writingThen they claim you're just a barrylite and dismiss you
>>739581825You got it all backward
>>739569425they need one big release per year, so i'm thinking 2028
>>739581880This.
>>739581880dunning-kruger effect. they aren’t intelligent enough to understand its flaws
>>739570338!!
>>739570338Based Maehiro treats women like they deserve to be treated
>>739581880It is totally fine.You do know that fine doesn't = flawless masterpiece, right?
>>739571121
>>739582062Wow, thank you for this clarification. I in fact was not aware what "fine" meant.>>739581942Im thinking you're onto something
>>739582062It's fine doesn't mean it works either, as an RPG game I mean.
>>739574867afterlife said the game was bad cause no blacks, so he had to stick with his shitty opinion after launch kekgame is good. it's no nier replicant, but it's good
>>739582103>I in fact was not aware what "fine" meant.That does seem to be the case, yes.
>>739581880I agree about every flaw in the actual game design but the writing is good
>>739562278XVI looks terrible. It has that same pastel look XIV has. The characters looks like mannequins.
>>739577054Oh God no. XVI is fucking trash.
Olde FUCKING English = Good writing
>>739582062>im just going to move the goalposts to try to salvage my stance in this discussionkill yourself dumb nigger
>>739582234true
>>739582185The writing is honestly the game's most laughable part because of how edgy the game tried to be and yet it feels like it was written by a fifth grader
>>739582241What goalpost are you even talking about and I'm not your special archnemesis. I'm just saying fine =/= flawless.
>>739582283FUUUUUCK>has gay incest sex with ultima
>>739582283>this game is bad because a couple of people in the story died and that's EDGY and APING GOT
>>73956251416 is just an oddball, story feels like one of the simpler titles (ie 2-5, which makes sense given all the nods to 5 in it) but wears the same sort of flair 12 has, but where 12 delivers on its political drama and flops with its character writing 16 is just kind of ambivalent with both while delivering much more on the hype and aura that zoomers crave. The whole "yoshida forced the devs to watch game of thrones" thing that shitposters hinge on doesn't even make sense since the court drama leaves the spotlight like six hours in favor of the game being a jinchuuriki simulator up through not-Kaguya showing up
>>739582317Bad does not equal fine.
>>739562278FF16 should have been an indie roguelite deckbuilder extraction shooter with gacha mechanics
Very telling that a game about a masculine hero taking down a false god Jewish coward has such a gigantic army of people trying to trash it.
>>739582328>too retarded to understand how retarded he is
>>739582349Yeah, and it's not bad.It's fine.
>>739577054Play XVI it you want a movie game that you can beat with your eyes closed.
>>739582412it has just one sperging retard and a few ebin zany clones trying to copy him
>>739582461can you name some things that are fine in detail? I can name things that are bad in detail because I played the game
>>739582461>"Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!" 5/10, it's fineSays the loathsome dung eater
>>739577054XVI is basically a shovelware DMC clone, it doesn't really present the player with any challenge besides finding something interesting to do until you beat the entire game, and by that point you can cheese every encounter with your "press 8 buttons to throw every enemy into a cc blender for 5 quintillion damage" setup
Faggot game. Resetera shills need to go back.
>>739582490Yet the retard would defend this by bringing up hard mode, missing the point that this is not DMC. No higher difficulty should be locked behind new game+. DMC games get away with that because they are not 30 hour long games with shitty side content and massive amounts of cutscenes.
>>739562278I loved X, didn't play XI, loved XII, loved XIII trilogy, loved XIV (only played ARR to current not 1.0), despised XV, thought XVI was just ok (started strong but I disliked it more the further I got). Haven't played any of the 7r slop and have no desire to.
>>739582763oh I want to play strangers of paradise, is that any good?
>>739582763you have no right to call anything slop if you completed 14
>>739582889cope and dilate nomuranigger
>>739582607>you eat poop if you don't obsessively hate waht i hatevery salient criticism
>>739582936there is nothing you could say to insult me because you are so far beneath me that I don’t even consider you sentient. anyone that plays 14 is a disgusting failure
>>739562278It's ok I liked the bosses and music everything else is a mixed bag of fuck ups, the writing/plot is bad, sidequests not good, rpg barely there, exploration also very bad
>>739579767>>739579528I've read over 9000 books and my IQ is 420. FFXVI is almost a perfect story except that Clive and Cid don't have gay sex.
>>739582949How is saying>You are a poopy headDifferent from saying>Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
it will never not be funny that zoomers are self conscious about their illiteracy
>>739582698lmfao no wonder this samefag is going all out to defend this piece of trash
anything related to ff is mental illness
How can there be multiple final fantasy threads every fucking day here.
>>739583561because the entire ff "fanbase" is full of mental asylum patientsall of them complete mindbroken freaks to the last
>>739583339It does explain a lot actually. You don't see this level of mental behavior in any other FF thread.
>>739582889I dunno why anyone would be offended at someone not caring for the 7 remake stuff. I assumed it was a common opinion that those are cash grab memberberry slop. It's like Pokémon doing fifty remakes of red and blue or sony remastering the last of us fifty times. No thanks, I played 7 and felt no particular attachment to it so obvs not gonna care about remakes.
I finished action mode and final fantasy mode + dlcs. Took around 140h, even skipping cutscenes the second time around.Tried the bloody palace thingy but I was already burnt out by the FF mode run to try 20 floors of dick smashing with 3 rounds each. The combat isn't that good to warrant that.
When the fuck was FF ever know for spectacle and epicness? Whatever the fuck that means. Stick to your Western kusoge games if you want that shit.
>>739582698I didn't make it this far before quitting. >>739583603It didn't have the tag when I bought it. Will Steam refund me for this woke trash since they didn't include it and it's against my religion to support homosexuality?
>>739583736You can refund it and list the reason as "it's fucking trash". That's what I did and I had 6 hours in it.
>>739583736They got panicked and removed the tag I think. It caused some drama when the game released on PC.
>>739583678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqnzWuB0Poghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njl7aBS0Ah4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU1W7b4B2tYLiterally always, lil zoom.
>>739579058What a bizarre response. Why would you say that?
>>739583561there’s always a xiv general on v
>>739583869so spectacle and epicness mean having cutscenes and intros now?
>>739583678It's been specifically about that ever since the 3D transition. If not for FF7, the FF8 FMV intro is what set the standard FF games are still trying to pursue.Dem graphics are all that's left of their identity, they've gone the schizo route on gameplay 20+ years ago.
>>739575529Almost no game warrants the vitriolic kind of hate it gets online.
>>739583940On the NES it did. Later on it meant unmatched cinematic framing during full 3d turn based combat.
>>739583736Some schizo who really hates the lead dev got a bunch of people to add the tag (rightfully so) and the game got filtered by tons of people on Steam who have that tag hidden so SE manually removed it.They'll probably let you get away with 1 or 2 refunds past 2 hours, regardless of reason though.
>>739583927when you read something like 1984 or invisible monsters, a book like gayneck: the story of a pigeon loses its lustre. xvi is the literary equivalent of sesame street
>>739583959What are you rambling about, the only raid in FFXVI is the Echoes of the Fallen DLC.
>>739583959>Caring about parsing in casual social online rpgsGenuinely subhuman behavior, seek help
>14 troon deleted post lmao mental illness on display
>>739583949Yeah it was known for the CG and good graphics, but I don't associate that with spectacle and epicness. Those are things I associate with 7th generation bs where every game was trying to have ebin setpieces.
I feel like at this point the FF cult is too irreparably broken to be worth offering a place to discuss things. They clearly can't handle it.
>>739584047Schizo or not, the tag is 100% applicable considering this scene>>739582698 exists. Not even XV reached this level of gayness.
>>739584196true the new generation will literally buy any slop like 14 and 16
>>739584280XV has zero (0) homosexual content. None.Barry WON (bigly!)
>>739584280it’s not even just that the secondary antagonist has gay AND mother incest sex with ultima. don’t tell me that isn’t straight from the game of thrones playbook
>>739584286or ff7unbirth
>>739584196it's actually impressive how much they're willing to defend whatever Square shits out. FFXVI is legit terrible in basically every regard other than graphics and yet they still will act like it's an underrated masterpiece.
>>739584448This goes for fags like you shitting your pants too and trying to astroturf some kind of autistic narrative.
It's pretty good, albeit deeply flawed. The spectacle is top notch, I liked the world and characters (even if Ultima sucks), and the combat kept me engaged just barely enough to not be bored.Anyone trying to claim that XV or especially XIII are better than it are delusional
>>739584489>This goes for fags like you shitting your pants too and trying to astroturf some kind of autistic narrative.Impressive how you typed out an entire sentence, yet somehow managed to not actually say anything.
The Titan fight is 30~40minutes of pure kino. That song that plays during the final phase is fantastic.
>>739584497XIII might have been on par if it was just one game.Being 3 games made it way worse.
>>739584497>The spectacle is top notchI'm sorry to hear that your lobotomy was botched bro
>>739584497>deeply flawedto me the biggest miss was shifting from the political warfare and using Dominants as a nations equivalent to a nuclear bombs to a bit more tropey JRPG kill the god plot line.I still greatly enjoyed 16 despite a plot hole or two, and the shift to something I felt wasn't where the focus should be though.I really hope they revisit the idea of Dominants or the world of 16 in some way in the future though because I think theres a lot of potential there. Very cool concept.
>>739584413I said no when I saw how they fucked up the Moogle’s
>>739584607>Being 3 games made it way worse.Something tells me they didn't learn the lesson with 13.
>>739584497>the combat kept me engagedno hard mode and you can clear the game with counter and topple and not die a single time. it’s shit.
>>739584448There's only one or two anons in here actually defending it. The rest are just samefag posts. You can tell who's being honest they either outright shit on it or at best say it's meh because that's the most realistic praise the game can get. Anyone claiming XVI is above mediocre is guaranteed 100% shitposting.
>>739584636I honestly knew this was coming. At the end of the day it's final fantasy and I just KNEW they would just throw everything away and do the usual JRPG stuff.To be fair, even FFT gives up on most political stuff and just goes with the muh ayy lmao lucavi evol thingie in chapter 4.
>>739584047>the game got filtered by tons of people on Steamkek total barry victory
>FFXV love is totally organi-
>>739584595great movie, the kaiju fights are impossible to lose qte button spam tho
>>739584732Finish the sentence in your quote. It's not a great combat system by any means, but it kept me just engaged enough to beat it. That alone puts it above the entire XIII trilogy and XV which all have horrendous combat systems
>>739584594Translation: all of you schizophrenics squirming in the mud are headcases that lay waste to any place of discussion you might infest.
>>739584607Eh, I kind of agree. But I think the second and 3rd game were made to get more use out of the assets and engine. I don't think their development impacted the base game in any way. And I think XIII-2 is a much better game than the first. Both narratively and in gameplay.I still need to play XIII-3:LR at some point.
>>739584497>FFXVI above IV and on par with X or XVIlmao. you shills are legit delusionalIt was terrible in basically every metric-insultingly easy-shit villain-MC is okay but supporting cast is lame aside from Cid-plot sucks-no RPG elements-no exploration, can't really visit the cities and castles.-combat is serviceable at best but is inferior to lots of other ARPGs.-sidequests all suck
>>739584775I always find it funny that the playable party update was quietly cancelled but no one mourned or gave a shit.
>>739584847So anyone who thinks XVI is shit is schizophrenic?
>>739584889Yes but it has positive LGBTQ+ representation, you bigot.
>>739584889I put it at the bottom of A because I can't help but like it.
>>739562514>it is useless to discuss how most of the sidequests are simple point A to point B fetchquests.>it is useless to discuss how little gil matters in a game that is trying to be a medieval drama and how this hampers the "RPG" mechanics.>it is useless to discuss how the story devolves into fighting a hidden villain AGAIN>it is useless to discuss how none of the equipment has any meaningful impact on gameplay outside of number gets bigger.
>>739584823you have to be pants on head retarded to think this has better combat than 13. 13 was shit for many reasons, combat was not one.
>>739584938people who make a thread about a game to spam it for six hours are definitely schizos, yes
>>739584791>impossible to loseThere are a couple of dps checks failstates with lenient checkpoints, but realistically only Leviathan can really put up a fight. And the final boss eikon fight can totally kill you because there is so much shit on screen while Ifrit floats into a dimensional rift it's honestly hard to parse what can hurt you, where it's relative to you and what is just visual fluff.
>>739585112(try years)
>>739585112I didn't make the thread retard.
>>739585071yeah those are pretty well documented and don't really matter because the game isn't really much of an rpg to begin with, like any FF made after XII
>>739585101XIII absolutely has shit combat. You can comfortably beat both XIII AND XIII-2 spamming autobattle and using the same three or four paradigms in a rote pattern.
>>739585171kind of odd that you considered that post directed at you and not the question you were asking then
>>739562278>cooldowns in a SP gameLazy shit game design. SE is truly run by old fart hacks.
>>739585071Swords, vambraces and belts are like that but accessories actually make a huge difference on gameplay. Granted, the most game-altering ones are locked behind DLCs, but base game has a lot of damage/cooldown altering rings, others that affect your projectile, air combat, torgal, dodge and other stuff. The only "number go bigga" accessories are the Genji gloves and the ones that raise your atk/def just a little bit.
>>739584072Ok, then, what is the video game equivalent of 1984 or Invisible Monsters?
>>739585216>You can comfortably beat both XIII AND XIII-2 spamming autobattle and using the same three or four paradigms in a rote patternNow that's supreme bullshit if I've ever seen any. You clearly didn't play both games or at least, didn't get far
>>739584595Soken rarely misses.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gxZNiNxwII16's soundtrack was fantastic. Easily has one of my favorite battle themes in the entire series both in the standard battle them (Sixteen Bells) and Find the Flame. And I've played every mainline FF except Final Fantasy 2 and FF6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YivSvS_AvsQThem using this song in the trailers and saving it for a DLC was kind of fucked up though.>>739584771Maybe. I kind of thought because of the focus on a more "Ivalice style" of game setting that they might commit to it. But as I said, I still really liked it despite its flaws. Its definitely a setting or a thematic concept I want them to revisit though as dominants have definitely taken the top spot for me in terms of summon incarnations.Benedikta was under utilized.
>>739582698Is this real??? Why just why?
>stagger shitWhy? The ai is already fuckin retarded what is the purpose of making it stop functioning entirely?
I remember when Garuda was about to vore clive in the boss fight when she grabs him.
>>739585237>you're a schizo!>I'm a schizo because i didn't like XVI?>people who makes threads like this are schizos, yes>I didn't make the thread>odd that you considered that post directed at youAre you actually this retarded?
>>739585216That's like saying Sekiro has shit combat because you can beat it by playing it like you would a souls game. Theoretically true, but you'd have a miserable experience.
>>739585183Then the game is hampered by trying to keep the RPG mechanics. And why give 16 an out by stating that other FF games have not been RPGs? It wasn't good then and it's not good now.
>>739585331I've beaten the entire trilogy, the only time I even remotely struggled in the first two was against the final boss. Here's the secret formula to win every mandatory fight>Cast libra, begin spamming autobattle>MED/SYN/SAB until buff and debuffs applied>COM/RAV/RAV until stagger>COM/COM/RAV while staggered>Repeat as needed, maybe adding an extra MED to the first one if your health gets low enough>Use SEN if the fight has a gimmick that requires it
>>739582698Absolutely disgusting and totally wrong.The power imbalance in this relationship is toxic and coercive and shouldn't be shown in a video game that impressionable young children like the ones in this thread might play.
>>739585336Heart of Stone sounds like shit.
>>739585347Because the whole game's shtick was trying to copy GoT. The problem was it came off as if it was written by some 12 year old.
>>739582698I was never going to buy it based on all the negative posts I see about it here, but now I'm going to actively encourage others to never buy it.
>>739585336https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knwaXb9JfuU:groove:
>>739583263One is an insult, the other a curse.
>>739585447It's already a miserable experience. The entire trilogy is rooted in not quite being turn based while not quite being an action and being bad at both. They knew that rooting around the menu for spells was awkward during a combo so they made auto battle the default option, same goes for not being allowed to control your party members.They basically took every conceit that an ARPG like Kingdom Hearts does with regards to control and party members but then didn't go all the way so you're stuck with this shitty, gimped ATB system where you're still stuck in menus. It's awful.
>>739585336The way Clive gets new Eikons meant that the earlier hostile dominants would inevitably be under utilized. And the first one of them would inevitably suffer from short screen time.And he gets his eikons from friendly dominants in very emotional moments that couldn't be rushed earlier.It's one of those cases in which gameplay fucks up your storytelling.
>>739585606the funny thing is that it only really copied the aesthetic, which isn't what people really liked about GoT. If you want a JRPG with political intrigue and noble houses and shit basically any trails game does a way better job of that than FFXVI
>>739585572This is written as a shitpost but it's actually true.
>>739585479You still need to swap paradigm shift at the right time. Can you really call it autobattle if you still have to use more than two buttons and constantly monitor the fight and make decisions? XII is what I call auto because you can literally let go of the controller.
>>739583561>Why is /v/ talking about video games?It's a mystery.
>>739585761It's only semi-ironic cause I haven't gotten to that part yet. But it does lead me to wonder - how does a prince find anyone to date without a power imbalance? Clive lucked out by getting set up with Jill, an actual princess, but even then, she's a political hostage, so if mommy hadn't wreck everything, there'd still be a huge imbalance in their relationship.
>>739585812Do you just read parts of sentences then check out and reply? I made it pretty clear that you can use the same paradigms in the same order every time. I called it autobattling because the default combat option is literally labeled auto-battle
>>739585914This is why it's called a gilded cage. Those directly or very close to the line of succession probably have something arranged for them.The others probably mingled among other minor nobility. It's impossible not to have any sort of imbalance, even if you earn $5 more an hour, but for those way above the rest like literal royalty it's indeed a big hurdle.
>>739585937How does that logic make XIII different from past FFs exactly? You buff your party in boss fights and use the most effective attack with the party you have, while just spamming same normal attacks in random encounters. Then the point you make just puts XIII on par with the games that came before it.
>>739585606It's anime got, and they didn't make it a seinen.Even the branded thing to use magic and wyvern poison to tattoo slaves just to be extra evil is funny.
>>739585573I like it but Find the Flame is a much better theme overall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a925dm5smWU>>739585656Preferred the Titan Lost theme myself.>>739585712It didn't seem like it was necessarily a full "taking" of their Eikon. but more a copy or partial absorption. On my first play through, I actually though she'd get it back since she panics and freaks out thinking its gone only to go berserk and cause tornados every where. I was hoping for that honestly.
>>739586185To sum it up shortly: FF13 tries to go away with the "attack to win" meme and it makes even some menial random battles very long if you don't manage your paradigms to turn battle into your favor, increase your damage and reduce defenses etc.The autobattle option is actually very bad (it's better to select your action order then press a button to repeat it when ATB fills again), but you take so fucking long to unlock all the combat options that autobattle is literally the best option until chapter 7 or 9? I don't remember. Most people quit 13 before that so the autobattle narrative stands.
>>739562278>joshua and Jill playable>actual elemental damage and weakness>no cool downs>swappable loadoutsThere, the game’s combat would be fixed
>>739586343Bull. You could take advantage of paradigm’s mechanics as early as chapter 3.
>>739585712>The way Clive gets new Eikons meant that the earlier hostile dominants would inevitably be under utilized. And the first one of them would inevitably suffer from short screen time.She was retreating with her men. They could have let her go back to Waloed and try to cope without having her powers, but still having everything else. Or the king would kick her out and she would run to Hugo, who clearly loved her.Instead, it's just axes out of nowhere and edgy rape threats.
>>739586386>actual elemental damage and weaknessIt's lame we lost it, but it would make the system to mix and match abilities among Eikons after you master them a waste.>swappable loadoutsYou already have 5 loadouts of 3 Eikons each. They should've let you assign a respective accessory loadout to them, though.
>>739585479Can’t beat the final hunt like that.
>>739586185>How does that logic make XIII different from past FFs exactly?The rote-ness of it all. The fact that you can only control one party member. The brainlessness of picking "auto-battle" over actually choosing an attack to use
>>739586446Not that anon, but I agree with him.You are correct that you *can* take advantage of them early, but its much faster and easier to just hit auto-battle on most fights that aren't bosses and win up until the later chapters.That was the only point that I quit using auto-battle myself and had to rapid paradigm shift. Which was actually quite a bit fun when the game required that of you, its just that it doesn't require it until far too late.
>>739586446Yeah. You have 1~2 paradigms for 2 characters, the Crystarium is severely limited and the few abilities you have are optimally picked with autobattle.Once you unlock all 3 roles and get 3 party members, then autobattle turns into a shit option if you're not owning trash mobs. Everything up until then is a very controlled kind of tutorial.
>>739586510Why would I ever bother with side quests in a game that I don't like? I tried one hunt, saw it was just a backtrack to a recolor then never bothered again
>>739586480No because the game clearly separates boss battles and mob battles. For mobs you want aoe and juggles, but for bosses you want to maximize stagger. It gets tiresome switching between the two and having load outs for each situation would greatly alleviate the tedium.
The least ambitious Final Fantasy...
>>739586454But then we wouldn't get the ~epic~ Kaiju fight.
>>739562278FF7 Rebirth is the franchise at its peak, I hope they do more of these types.
>>739586576So you didn’t use the games mechanic me then complain about the game not having mechanics.
>>739586598I don't know what makes SE fixated with stagger. Is it the FF13 people? They put it into 7R and even 16 of all things.My memories of 16 are of nuking everything in seconds at the beginning or once they stagger so I can't remember how dreadful it is to play and swap around until you get enough AP to buy and upgrade stuff.
>>739586454>you’re a bandit>wandering in the woods with your buddies>find a lost woman>welp, time to rapeWhy every single time in fiction?
>>739586613Which didn't make sense, since she lost her powers to Clive. So how could she turn into Garuda?
>>739586662No I said that the game can be easily beaten with autobattle and three paradigms. What is it with XIII dickriders and illiteracy?
>>739586706Probably because the atb system has evolved as much as it can and adding stagger is the only way to go, hence why even action games are doing stagger now.
>>739586343>but you take so fucking long to unlock all the combat options that autobattleOkay, I'll agree with you there. The game was way too stuffed with a long tutorial, but they fixed that in XIII-2 by letting you customize your party from the start. Sure, it takes a while for people to figure out your meta but that doesn't make the game any less deep. You need trial and error to figure that out, that's just how good rpgs work. Autobattle isn't really the issue here because of how the game was designed. It'd be twice as tedious if you had to manually input every command.
>>739586743Yeah, and the other anon said so does every other final fantasy.
>>739586730Jill, Joshua and Dion also keep their dominant powers even after Clive sharingans theirs.Don't remember much of the lore, maybe Clive only gets part of their power and copies it.
>>739570772annoyed the shit out of me that we didn't get brother kino
>>739586710Especially in remote woods they have to reason to be in, and then attacking a group of heavily armed and armored soldiers. Too bad their armor does nothing to magical axes out of nowhere. And even worse, they already used axes out of nowhere to kill Aevis earlier in the game.
>>739586710Sometimes I think people just over estimate how much rape happened back in the middle ages.That or I personally UNDERestimate it.Regardless, she still technically "reactivates" Garuda there some how, but she has no control of it. So its like Clive severed control of Garuda for his own use, but, it would have been interesting if they let her live to play with that a little more.
>>739586797If you consider all the playtime 13 has, you unlock everything relatively early. But in terms of story point and chapter number, they do come late.13 battles can be a fucking drag, taking even 5~7 minutes sometimes if your deck isn't the best for the situation. It's everything but shallow.13-2 makes most random trash mobs a joke to even care about properly fighting.Square is constantly overcorrecting and shitting things they did right in favor of throwing everything away.
>>739579473Not the same track at allhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHSpuxEUYsI&list=RDxHSpuxEUYsI&start_radio=1
No one wants action Final Fantasy. There are plenty of other series that do that. Final Fantasy built its foundation on 3-5 niggas in a row combat, and doing away with it for a "potentially larger audience" ,assuming that your original fanbase is too deep in and will just "come along for the ride" is arrogant and will cost them everything.
>>739586710Because it's edgy and has a shock value while not compromising the morals of your main characters when read/watched by current day consumers.They're just trash bandits doing the rape, not your honorable knight lead letting their man unwind after a battle to keep them under your command, but wary not to let them go too far.
>>739564923>he didn't unlock the glin superboss
>>739586990I think there’s a difference between using an eikons powers and being the eikon itself.
>>739587121I still have no idea why the fuck Square got an important devil may cry 5 guy and told him to adapt Nero to Final Fantasy.And YoshiP as director, of all people. The guy of a game which used to have 3 bars full of buttons and skills into a job rotation.Clive doesn't even change weapon types to vary his base movete.
>>739587265Because they want to chase some kind of trend to attract a modern audience. But why their producer would think a DMCV clone would make the game more appealing than a Souls clone is beyond me.
>faggots were the best characters in the game
>>739586990I hate that they managed to make me care about her character only to kill her off like that.
>>739587442>soulsclone FFWe'll never have that. Shit.SoP is fine and all but I can't grind incremental gear like a retard anymore, I spent too much time doing that.
>>739587472Was Cid a faggot? He had a hot daughter they called Mid of all names.People can talk shit about 16 all they want but this Cid was based af.
>>739570772This game really has this washed up filter. I thought it was my machine.Do you have any kind of memory leak with it? It started running like ass after a while but came back to normal after restarting.And CBU3 works with another title widely played on computers lmao
>>739585336They had Soken working on FF16 and FF14 Dawntrail's soundtrack at the same time, and it's so obvious he put all his effort into 16 lol
>>739570338I don't remember Moenbryda being so hot.
>>739587791He just picked up eScape and renamed it Eikonoclam. And I'm pretty sure there are other stuff directly taken from 14 in there. A lot of familiar tunes I couldn't figure out their FF14 counterpart.
>>739585716>the funny thing is that it only really copied the aesthetic, which isn't what people really liked about GoTAnd ironically, GOT only really copied the aesthetic of ASOIAF. It's like a game of adaptation telephone, with each successive rendition getting worse and worse.
>>739587593Cid was not gay.He was with Benedikta at one point.>>739587791Thank god the raids came after the base game launch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccv9ayPYNPkSome of base DTs music was really good though, like Vanguard.
>>739587785Bad lighing + probably an incomplete in house engine. For some reason SE decided not to use the Luminous engine anymore.
>>739585716The aesthetic of GoT was excellent, tho. It wasn't the main draw but it was a huge supporting factor.>>739587917>Kings and Dominants want Benedikta>Benedikta wants Cid>Cid 'no ways' her repeatedlyPerhaps he was, to reject the most desired women on the twin continents.
>>739587893Eikonoclasm was a cool remix imo.
>>739587917Vanguard, Alexandria, and Living Memory were all pretty good. Notice all of these are in the second half of the expac where we stop fucking around with the stupid Tural scavenger hunt.
>>739588103YeahSecond half is far far better than the first.I still think the second half is weak, but it is much better in basically all aspects, and if the second half had been the full expansion, I genuinely think it would have been much better received. Closer to SB which was well liked despite being considered the weakest expansion narratively. At least things are looking up.
>>739587901Part of the reason I dislike FFXVI is because I believe it's a cheap slap in the face. After reading ASOIAF, it's a gutless, no balls narrative which thinks sex and swearing means mature while they don't have the balls to make Joshua die by Clive's hand and fumbles world building so bad the setting is more like Medieval Naruto than Westeros. It's just retarded.
>>739562278>>739562641>>739563051>>739563657>>739564043>ffxvifags begging to be taken seriouslyLmao
>>739568420>>739568789>xvifags really believe their brooding edgelord is muh deep
>>739588213Just let him samefagging. He'll be happy when the XVI thread reaches the bump limit because no one replies to his thread in /vrpg/.
>>739584905It's getting real fucking annoying that they ship games without the features people actually want and expect it to do well.
>>739588205It's like Square forgot how to do these things. Even FF8 had an interesting worldbuilding despite the poor narrative, with jrpg-Paris and soldiers side by side with magic users.
>>739583736You should add Rebirth to your ignore list too. They removed the tag there as well despite having 10x more LGBTSLOP.
>>739585183XIII and XIII-2 are 100% RPGs
>>739588318People want a good FF game. XVI just isn't classified as one.
>>739588072>The aesthetic of GoT was excellent, tho. It wasn't the main draw but it was a huge supporting factor.And you can see it with the way the aesthetic is hard carrying the spinoff shows. House of the Dragon is garbage from a writing standpoint but people love the vibe of the setting so it keeps pulling in big audiences.>>739588205>Part of the reason I dislike FFXVI is because I believe it's a cheap slap in the face. After reading ASOIAF, it's a gutless, no balls narrative which thinks sex and swearing means mature Agreed, and just generally I think it's an example of people taking all the wrong lessons from GOT. The story doesn't work because of the sex and swearing, it's a good story that happens to include sex and swearing in ways that tell you things about the characters.
>>739588205Crazy how we waited years for 16 from them announcing several different factions just to get pure action slop
>>739582698>>739588356The rot runs deep at Squeenix. I don't think FF can be saved.
>lets make the FFX sex scene, but without class or vision
>>739587265YoshiP did not direct XVI you dumb fuckIf anything Takai would've made it worse without any of his input
Another issue with FFXVI was that it had many great characters that were killed off quickly, Cid being one of them. Also this guy who wasn't entirely human, but also kind of a faggot.
>>739588649I don't even know what he was. He goes around ragebaiting people, talks like a turbo fag, calls himself a horse and comes back as a clone army.
An action game made by a studio that does not know how to make an action game. The combat was so bad
>>739588716Try Kairos Gate. It will make you hate it.
>>739588446I don't think having gays in a game really impacts its quality. BG3's entire cast is a bunch of bisexual swingers who flirt with each other regardless of gender and it's still a great RPG.
>>739587593Well Cid didn't know how hot his daughter would be when she was born.He named her Mid to play it safe
>>739586891We did though. They join forces and take down a biological orbital cannon.
>>739588702He's the horse. "Loyal steed" if you will. Too bad Odin was literally a fucking manchild.
>>739588072>The aesthetic of GoT was excellentno it wasn't. It was trash digital underexposed gray muddy garbage.
>>739563113>Nomura dicksucker>Posts a scene that makes no sense
>guy is only interested in his mother>somehow is still fucking BenediktaSeriously, what kind of poison was between her legs?
Necrophobe, Sleipnir, Barnabas atop Teme-ni-gru, Knight of the Blinding Dawn channeling ZA WARUDO and Omega were ludokino bosses.
>>739588205>>739588404I appreciate it for BTFOing anti-woke GOTbros and instead pivoting to reconstructing the hero's journey around a truly noble protagonist who drags himself through the mud to make things better for as many normal people as he can.
>>739588960She's down for stuff your girlfriend or concubine would never do willingly or would do begrudgingly.
This game was so faggoty
>>739580657Rebirth had way too much going compared to Remake. I get the overall theme of the game was "bonds" but the synergy skills were extremely clunky imo.
>>739589080This is a genderneutralfluid shapeshifter fucking with the schizo manchild's [mind], tho.
>>739588584>*shing*> <CLIVE LAID>>Yaho watashi wa katta ze~
>this amazing tutorial is over 2 hours long so steambabs can't refund>Game takes a nosedive after
Did we ever figure out who Typhon was?
>>739589178Maybe a failed Logos who was punished.
They really truly utterly wanted you to believe Jill wasn't raped a million times over, despite putting her in the most rape implied scenarios. Benedikta somehow got raped, but Jill did not, crazy storytelling. She and Clive also both stayed virgins until they were literally 30 years old.
>>739588935>NOOOOOOOOO ITS UNREALISTICNomura haters = autists
This shit wasn't funny. Pure reddit ending.
>>739589136>have awesome setup of guy needing to deal with the guilt of accidentally killing his little brother and getting revenge on his mother for betraying them>immediately undo that by revealing that the brother isn't dead>mother is just pathetic and kills herself when you find herI swear something is really wrong with Square. Like it was RIGHT THERE.
>>739588756>>739582698The people that cry and bitch about this scene are special kind of retarded and it's a great filter in a way. Not only is Dion's forbidden love executed as tastefully as possible, the scene is the only one in the game (hence why it's the only thing being reposted over and over again), plays a role in the relation to his bitch of a step mother and most importantly doesn't define his character.
>>739589228Jill seethes and malds at that volcano stage, the Iron Throne people definitely used her as a cumrag after she was too tired to prime Shiva.We don't know much about that island in general.
It bothers me that the game was essentially a cinematic masterpiece, but they failed to put meaningful gameplay in it.
>>739583603Where does it hint that Clive is bisexual?
>>739589228Why do they speak like this? So cringe. JP audio with JP subs is the only way to tolerate this tripe.
>>739589397FFT War of the Lions' script caused irreparable damage.Thou wilst speaketh aulde Anglaise in medieval games.
>>739589289>just kills herself when you find herI think you missed a couple steps there.
>>739589297You could have just said you were a faggot and are happy to be represented. No need to make excuses for that poorly written tripe.
>>739589289>immediately undo that by revealing that the brother isn't dead12-15 hours in.
>>739589397You could have just said that you have shit taste and prefer marvel quips in an american accents.
>>739589450>>739589397What's funny is that Ultimalus was speaking cryptically like an autistic weirdo until Clive started beating his ass.Then he spoke normal, like nigga what, how is that a plot detail.
>>739583736>it's against my religion to support homosexuality?Is it against your religion to support paganism? To support murder? Every Final Fantasy game has both, so why are you playing the series at all?
>>739589229I didn't say it was unrealistic, I said it makes no sense in the confines of anything that actually happens in the damn game
>>739587593>clive didn’t want the power but cid forced it on him>he takes a crying and reluctant Clive’s hand and places it on his bosom, groaning in pain as he does soIt’s an allegory for rape, can’t you see?
>creates political setting>does nothing with it
>>739589228>Benedikta somehow got rapedShe exploded before that could happen.Jill was held captive by a nation of religious fanatics who saw bearers and dominants as subhuman. I wouldn't be surprised if their religion forbids intercourse with them. The writers should have thought to mention that.
>>739589540Ultimalius could've worked in a different game. Like a weirder alien version of FFIX's Garland.But they created this """"GoT"""-esque setting with a lot of factions and infighting and just had everybody dindu nuffin because this ayy lmao was behind everything.
>>739589615Truly the least ambitious FF
>>739588890You got filtered by the story, anon. Barnabas is a great character.
>>739566671I did as well. Some were meh, but a lot of them served to establish world building and characters, which was enjoyable. It's just one of the "arguments" that "everyone" agrees on, so even people who haven't done any of them pile onto it.
Best version of Garuda I will admit
>>739589531I prefer the original natural flow of the Japanese version.
>>739589631The religion surely could forbid but her jailers sure wouldn't care.
>>739589684They even gave him his own version of Judgment Cut.
>>739589631Catholicism forbids gay intercourse, but little boys still get raped.
>>739589725But it was primarily written in English first, making it the original
>>739589736Nah, their religious leader had her on watch 24/7. There was no opportunity to rape her without instant being excommunicated and killed, and I think she could overpower anybody who tried once she awakened, which was right after she was captured.
>>739589397weeb faggot
>>739589654It's a fucking travesty that the boys reunite with their scheming cunt of a mother and because Ultimalus was the little boy she just kills herself. Plot after plot, just ruined.
>>739589791They actually don’t. That’s just a myth spread by both sides.
>>739589835Ok Koji-Fox, whatever you say. Your dialogue is still both shit & inconsistent, unlike the superior version.
>>739589458Considering the homo state of most modern games, this was am absolute nothing burger and didn't deter from the story at all.
>>739589879>character places single trait above all>trait is shattered>character has no more reason to live and kills themselfWhat’s so hard to grasp here, anon.
What's with Japanese games and glorifying women getting passed around?
>>739589986They learned it from the west
>>739589492>12-15 hours in.You find out he's alive literally immediately after Benedikta. so more like he "dies" at 2 hrs in and then is revealed to be alive maybe 3 hrs later.
>>739589879>realizes she, as the manipulator, got manipulated>lost everything in her strife for power>kills herself instead of trying to live with the shameDoesn't seem farfetched to me at all.
>>739589879The only well written character and they threw it all away because they were too pussy to let her get her face smashed in. Woke faggot devs.
>>739589949Why are you making up shit? She literally had a mental breakdown because she couldn't believe her sons were alive and couldn't bear to face the consequences. Her prized "trait" was that she could bear Eikon children - it didn't get shattered when she now had TWO of them.
>>739589986It's better if the really good ones can be enjoyed by many.
>>739590054Are you stupid? This is why FFXVI bombed; her character arch was dogshit and basic. They could've done more with her and they didn't. That is the travesty. Much like the entire game.
>>739590163It really wasn't, but enjoy repeating that mantra. Also you may continue to live in potential land, but please for the love of god, don't apply the same scrutiny to any other game with a longer narrative.
>>739589843I thought they had some kind of shackles that would prevent priming, like when you are at that deadlands map.
>>739590061Please understand, our protagonist can only murder generic solders and really evil people.
>>739567598that some people actually think this makes me realize FF16 is an IQ testit's like saying some weekly airing TV show is better than a movie
>>739590318Your game failed and nobody liked it
>>739590682Me and plenty other anons liked it, but you and the other mentally unstable, yet loud, individuals can keep on seething on.
>>739589031It wasn't what I wanted, but I enjoyed what I got regardless.
>>739589540He was smug and cold most of the time like he was above it allThen he realized he was getting his ass whooped and started getting emotionalIt was pretty funny
>>739590665>some weekly airing TV show is better than a movieThe anon you replied to might have been a bit dramatic, but that comparison without qualifier is pretty dumb.
>>739591192you failed the test too sorry bro
