40TH ANNIVERSARY STREAM TOMORROW!10 MINUTES LONG
Imagine all the gacha
>>739611548Wait, is DQ a Gacha game now?
>>73961149240 years and not ONE memorable character is insane.
>>739612348All of them are just Gohan
>>739612348*blocks you're path*
Cucking Gemma.
We are ALL looking forward to the next remake announcement. We NEED more remakes!
Hey, /v/ros.Is there a good english patched rom for DQ Monster Joker 3 Professional?
>>739614520I don't know if there was a newer version than this but its what I played a couple years agohttps://mega.nz/file/U8ADBC4T#n81-4ErMR7nTFf1HTmIjaGMh5dHPaLD924B-rVkSc-k
>>739614520Sure is. Very easy to find, too.
>>739616362ty, anon.
the schizos are already crying
>>739611492guessing it's a dq4 hd-2d remakeyou know because that game hasn't been rereleased 10 times already.
>>739612298It’s had several over the years. Most of them were shit down outside of Japan because they weren’t raking in enough money for the investors.
>>739612402That’s not true. Some of them are Trunks.
gragon quest games are boring slow retarded shit that stopped doing something new in 1990 or something. i don't know why japanese are playing them but this games are bad.
>>739616574NES, SNES, DS, and I guess Mobile but that's 99% just the DS versionLess versions of the same game than Starfox
>>739616735Wait I'm retarded there wasn't a SNES version
DQ 12 will have ff7's combat system a.k.a. the best compromise between turn based and action, screencap this
>>7396114929.5 minutes of mobile games and 30 seconds to look at a new logo for DQ12
The save file says 40 hours but i felt like i physically aged 20 years playing the DQVII remake, why is the pacing so bad.
>>739616604Tact is the longest lasting one out of the last batch I think?A lot of them don't even last that long in Japan either but they keep spamming them out cause its easy money.
>>739616986Because they just haphazardly chopped out a few islands, that doesn't really change that 7's main plot is very loosely tied together. Would've needed a full on rewrite to make a difference.
>>739617052DQM Super Light ran for 10 years, and if Stars is still running it released a fair bit earlier than Tact. In Japan at least lmao.
>>739611492>10 minsDQ12bros...
>>739616702esl brownoid
I WANT A HD2D DQIV REMAKE WITH PARTY CHATTER AND BONUS DUNEGONS AND I WANT IT NOW
My problem with DQ games is that on the surface, the villains all seem generic and look stupidI seen Adventure of Dai and Superior Form Hadlar and Vearn's true form looked cool.Are there any DQ games where the villains actually look cool or intimidating? Or at least the plot is good?
>>739617972shut the fuck up, pablo
>>739617456Literally the only thing I want. And it better be fucking glorious.
>>739618059i was just asking for recommendations on games and give the franchise a chance, guess i'll fuck off then
>>739616986>>739617148DQ7 is still fundamentally a repetitive as fuck game. The islands that got cut entirely were also complete filler anyway even if El Ciclo was kino.The weird part is how they paced Greenthumb and removed part of Nottagen. The bathmoose dude obviously wasnt the real boss of the first part.
im fucking ready
>>739617551Just play the english patched DS rom
>>739618162>guess i'll fuck off thenexactly
>>739611492I want remake of 4But monsters 3 went out of it's way to retcon the shit out of it and even force male mc
I'm readyfor disappointment
>>739618323What happened in Monsters matters about as much as DQ Heroes dudeAt most if they remake 4 they'll make some extra references to 4 and 5 like how they backported more direct references to 3 into 1 and 2
>>739618446references to 5 and 6*
>>739618446I always considered monsters series canon, so now villain looks like even more pathetic cuck than he was already
it's gonna be more HD-2D dogshit, isn't it?
Give it to me straight you fucking niggers. Is another Mystery Dungeon game even remotely a possibility or should I skip this shit entirely?
>>739611492It'll be a gacha game won't it?
>>739619159They said with the popularity of the shiren games they were considering other games in the series and brought up DQ being a possibility
>>739611492>only 10 minutes longWhat the fuck.
>>739619159I wouldn't count on it, if they're gonna do another licensed game it'll probably be to sweep in those Pokebucks.
>>739617551>HD2D
90% of it is gonna be mobile shit noone cares about and remakes no one asked for
>>739619159Did the last Pokemon one even do well? That was already like 6 years ago
>>739611492DQ IX port/remaster (NOT A REMAKE) I don't really care about anything else they could announce.
>>739619560Normalfags that will never touch an emulator have no current way to play 4-6 or 8 and 9It'll happen for all of those at some point, remake or port
>>739618323>and even force male mcFuck off tranny, ywnbaw
>ps1 DQ4 translation never
Given that it's only 10 minutes, I get the feeling it's just going to be about 12.Hoping that's the case.
Heroes 3 please
>>739619647I want that too, I think it would be hell to fix all those armours and weapons though. And a lot of the class requirement quests are bullshit, and having a more fleshed out online feature would be cool too, but still have it separated from the main game
builders 3 too
>>739619943great.now i have to fap to Erinn.
>>739617551>>739618323>>739619647>>739619843>even more remakesWhy are Dragon Quest “fans” so addicted to remakes? Do people hate DQ12 that much? DQ isn’t like Final Fantasy. It has a good track record. Why are you like this?
How much is DQ just boomer shit in Japan now again? Is it Lucasfilms levels of hopeless or can a game reinvigorate interest between new gen?
>>739611492>10 minutesgreat it's gonna be a short trailer for XII followed by by either Horii or some SE fag talking about absolutely nothing other than the game being in develpoment (no release date)new Monsters never ever, new Mori Mori never ever
>>739620596I want 12 but it's been 5 fucking years since it's been announced, and almost 10 full years since 11 came out.At this point I'll just take whatever to fill the gap a bit.
>>739620808its going to be a trailer for DQ4 remake and a progress update by Hori on 12.
>>739620596Because DQ is more of a uncle franchise than FF in Japan. Last decade only had XI as a non MMO mainline release, there is basically 2 generations of players who don't care, with a minor new one squeezed in between. Of course you will only nostalgia baiting with a fanbase like this.
>>739621068>only getFix'd.
>10 mins So there will be nothing pffffft
>>739612348Erdrick/Arusu
>>7396205969 is probably the only game every fan wnated a remake of given the extreme limitation of the consolebeing a (partially) 3D game on the DS isn't easy, and only Joker 2 managed to really pull it offthat said at this point people are so used to SE only shitting out remakes (new entries take a fucking decade to come out) that hoping for anything else is a one way trip to the land of disappointment
kill doomers
The whole psaro is a manipulated bitch and generic evil priest has pretty much been made the canon plot by now.
>>739619949This
why did the west never get the offline version of X?
>>739611492>X on switch 2Fingers crossed
>>739611492>Merchandise update>Gacha update>New Toei 10 fps anime announced>DQ VIII remaster announcement>DQ XII full trailer and release window
>>739621332Because the game ends with a transfer code to start playing the MMO lolIt's basically just a replacement for the very old original release part of the story
there's eight hidden videos on the youtube channel, so there's some hope, i guess?
>>739621332I still can't believe they specifically announced that stream as being a worldwide one, just to spend multiple minutes announcing a JP-only game.
>>739611492>10 MINUTES LONGSo it's just going to be a video?
>>739620757The HD2D remakes did really well but probably not with children. 4 niggas in a row games are as unc as it gets. Zoomers and Alphies do not have the attention span for that kind of gaeplay.
>>739621332What I don't get is why DQX never released in the west to begin with. I am sure MMO addicts would be enough to resupply the "westerners don't give a fuck about DQ" scarcity.
>>739621576every "stream" by big japanese companies is just a pre-recorded and edited video these daysgod I miss E3
>>739621651you're 40 years old, why do you type like this?
>it takes a decade for a new game to come out>therefore I want it to take even longer as long as I get some demake slop thrown in
>>739612348John DragonQuestVIII is memorable, that's why his damn outfit is in every remake DQ
>>739621534They’re all DQ7 remake YouTube ads lol
>>739620757It's almost over.There was an article some weeks ago that mentioned that for kids in the 90s, you would get like ~5 entries in a series while growing up, getting you attached for life, while kids now are lucky to get 2 games as a series in their entire childhood due to how long dev times are now.If you played 11 as a 10 year old, you're now 20 and 12 STILL isn't out.
>>739621769NTA but cause we're getting old, anon. It's time to resent zoomies and alphies like our fathers did with millennials, it's only natural...
>>739621831Remakes are never handled by the teams that work on the main games.The whole point of them, not only for DQ but for every franchise, is to have some new product available while the new entry is being developed.
>>739621656Came out in the middle of the execs deciding they weren't gonna localize DQ shit, plus it was a super late Wii release.
>>739616658Remove hair from Trunks and what do you get? That's right, bald Trunks. Lol Gohan who? go haunt my dick more like lmao
>>739621656it's simple reallythe answer is and will always be Square EnixFF14 only exists because Yoshi P worked on DQX and simply copy-pasted the game. Yes FF14 is just a reskinned DQX and SE is still seething about not owning the DQ IP so they've done everything they can in the past 20 or so years to avoid marketing or straight up publishing in the west (god forbid an IP they don't directly own competes with Final Fantasy)
>>739620757uninspired brown zoomer babble
>>739621996millennials were the original denizens of 4chan. it's literally a millennial site made by a millennial for millennials. zoomies refused to assimilate and instead became the worst cancer this site has ever known. it's not the same.
dq11 was the first jrpg i finished and i enjoyed it a lot but after playing some others i don't think i could ever replay it due to the soundtrack. it's fucking bad. i'm honestly not even interested in 12 unless they announce they got a young guy who actually likes making music to do the soundtrack and make more than 5 songs.
>>739620596It's great series, why shouldn't we want more enchanced good games?>bbbut my homo feelings all series need move forwardNopeThere a reason why best versions of jrpg were on gba and ds, enchanced versions are great, cope
>>739622262>t. homosexual chink
>>739622320i am straight white bald and more fat than you can possibly imagine
>>739622397how old are you?
>>739622397ok obese fat gay retard
>>73962244635
>>739621904We used to get entire trilogies in one console generation. Look how many Mario and Final Fantasy and Zelda games we got throughout the 90s and 00s. Because of these extended dev cycles, kids would rather just play one forever game like Minecraft or Roblox.
>>739611492>10 minutes
>>739622481at least you are not one of those bald zoomers.
>>739616604Well yeah because the fucking retards keep censoring everything.
>>739622612rather they get to the fucking point than having "eh? sugoiiii" reaction people.
>>739622203You took all these words in your sentence from zoomers.
>>739622959The average Pokemon Presents is 28 minutes of TCG and gacha, with a 2 minute trailer at the end. And people complain every time as if this hasn’t been commonplace for a decade.
>>739623024zoomers didn't invent those word, little zoomnigger
>>739611492>This video wil make you cum in less than 5 minutes
>>739620808There's a 2 hour JP stream before the 10 minute reveal trailer, so the Horii yapping will already be out of the way. It should just be 10 straight minutes of game trailers.
>>739611492DQ X finally comes to the west
>>739617551I want IV Channel with Anon Chatter!
>>739623181lollmao
>>739623087Sure kid.
>>739620596Two of the people you replied to weren't talking about remakes, one of which even specifically said he wants a port and not a remake
>>739623181Never ever, gaijin-san
>>739623331>s-sure k-kidyou took those words from boomers
>>739623181Too much text to translate. The single player games are easy because you can pay some trannies almost nothing to launder their own shitty stories into a localization. That’s harder with an MMO.
>>739623404such as?
>>739621415you just cannot announce much in just 10 friggin minutes.the best way they could go on with this is just the classic dedicatories, thank yous and so on, and rhe just resume the different stuff they wanted to reveal, and point people to the supposed 8 locked videos they uploaded yesterday in relation to the event.but as it is, i can imagine the only thing they will announce will be the first DQ12 true reveal.
>>739619647So long as I can make a bunch of party members, minimum thirty, I'm all for it.
>>739623181It never willthere's no money in it for Square or not enough to go through with itI'm playing with the translation bullshit though and it's fun so far even though it's fucking ancient.It makes me genuinely hope 12 is a new MMO that actually comes to the west even though the chances of that are near 0
>>739616604Were they mobile games?
>>739616803DQ4 had a remake on the PS1 that used the DQ7 visuals, but I will forgive you just this once.
>>739612298The newest is SMASH/GROW
Dragon Quest was never good, but of course nips love it
>>739624041God noFuck MMOsCursed ass genre
>>739619647DQ IX on Switch 2 and I'm out the door to go buy a Switch 2.
>>739624236ded genre. has been since wildstar flopped.
>>739624164I honestly had no idea. I only play Kairosoft games on my phone.
>>739624236retarded secondary
>>739624649You can have fun with the dregs of humanity that still cling to that moldy corpse of a genre
>>739624560Based, you should keep it that way.Man, I should play some Kairosoft games myself. Bought a couple on Steam and sort of forgot about them cause it was during a Steam sale.
>>739624889Did I hit a nerve? Gonna cry about it?
Bro just port the ps2 version of Dairy Queen 8. It's not hard
>>739624560i like kairosoft games, but they are kinda scripted.you become OP no matter what.
>>739625054>>739625195I like 'em. They're cute, simple and fun.
>>739625310yeah, i agree. I played them a lot.
It's been so long that 12 will only disappoint desu.They haven't shown anything for it, but so far what we do know is just a bunch of red flags imo.
everyone is expecting DQ12 but it's just going to be the remake of DQ9 lmaodon't expect anything and you won't be disappointment.it's that easy.
N-news!?
dq 8 with 11 art style + 3ds content
>>739618553>I always considered monsters series canon, so now villain looks like even more pathetic cuck than he was alreadyThey are all AUs/What-Ifs like every other spin-off. Even Caravan Heart is an AU to both the og trilogy and to VII.
>>739611492The only DQ remake I'd support is a remake of 9 with actual party members. I like 9 but the game feels lonely with just the silent MC and the fairy.
>>739625143Just emulate it, stupidYou can emulate ps2 on a fucking phone
>did I le strike le nerve are you le cryingoh the ironing kek
>>739611492DQ12 or bust
>>739612348
>>739624360always funny seeing people say this here and on reddit for the 500000000000000000000000000th time as they click their 23847230498234928 billionith mmo related thread>"heheheheheh dead genre">a genre that millions of people play everyday 24/7 across thousands of different games at the same time for over 30+ years>a genre with massive amounts of social media videos uploaded every single day for over two decades straight>a genre so dead that random idiots can spin up a server of a 20+ year old game and make millions of dollars of month - this happens in multiple different games from UO (outlands, forever) EQ (THJ) WoW (turtle) etcyeah super dead genre AMIRIGHT LOL
>>739621295Didnt they imply it since the original release before DS remake decided to state it outright by adding a bonus chapter.
Imagine getting a fucking day dedicated to your IP and the best you can do is stream for 10 minutes. SE might be the most retarded company on the planet.
>>739628285This isn't an MMO thread but go off
>>739629598He clearly already went off you stupid cunt
>>739629223>to your IPthey fucking wish
best wife
>>739628285name thriving mmos that aren't runescape, WoW, or FFXIV. you can't. also the golden age of those games is long, long gone. the point is there isn't any new MMOs being made so the genre is stagnant and arguably dead. it's all half dead or dead ones with people who refuse to quit because of the amount of time and effort they've sunk into them over the years.
>>739629790Please, this shit's a national Holliday in Japan.
>>739631180Don’t the games release on Saturdays because too many people were skipping work and school every time they released on a weekday?
>>739612348*blocks your path*
>>739612298There have been 5 or 6 gacha release since XII got announced, no joke. Half of them don't release outside of Japan, though.
>>739631656She had all kinds of vile sex with Booga
>>739620808Probably more like a new remaster and a short message at end that they are "working hard on XII please look forward to it haha"
>10 minutes worth of 8 videos.>8 videos........DQVIII remake bros!
>>739612641
>>739632724Cor blimey....
>gachaslop, ports and 2DHD demakesPass
>>739617551I thought people were overexagerating when they said the party chat in 7 was god awful but holy shit why do people not talk more about how badly they butchered this feature? Your party don't even have personalities anymore in party chat they're just glorified waypoint reminders.
>>739611492It's up in like 8-9 hours from now right (12pm Japan)?
>>739633648Nope. 9am EST, so more like in 18 hours
Is DQ XI a good starting point?
>>739633915Yes
>>739633727Damn, so we really will see DQXII because it's like 3pm in EU (last time it was at 5 am EU)>>739633915Yes, then you play DQ3, after DQ1 and finally DQ2.
>>739631965I think you mean vile handholding
>>739633915You can play in whatever order
>>739633915Yeah.Game also has a demo that covers the first ~10 hours, and you can then transfer the save into the full game.
how can i buy the dragon quest MMO with dollars? I heard its only 8 dollars anyone know how
>>739634969I think you have to do it through Japanese Amazon or somethingbut it does have a free trial with the base game and some of the updates/expansions so you don't need to buy it if you just want to play
NO BOOGANO BUY
>>739634029A stream in 15 bongs, that video is up in 17
>10 minutesf
>>739614450I just want them to get to V and then they can stop.
Will they say that Toriyama worked on it before dying?
sales are starting
>>739612348Torneko did not become the face of capitalism in Japan just to get disrespected like this
>>739636790What is they say Toriyama worked on it after dying???
>>739638162>digital deluxe just for 15 dollars when I got it full priced at 40 years ago physically.>only costume I'm missing is the Red Burgundy velvet.
>>739638162How the fuck is Treasures more expensive than Monsters 3 Dark Prince?
>>739639251i heard that game is kinda shit in comparison to the older monster joker games.What's your opinion, anon?
>>739639426average. haven't played it much. monster breeding is hell and more convoluted.
Is this in 8 minutes?
I'm assuming the stream in question isn't this one, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYz_CVdowACause that's taking place a tad later than a few minutes from now
>>739639975No it's this one unless there's another one I don't know abouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CiTOH42r7s
which hd2d remake should i get?both are on sale
>>739612298SquareEnix has been forcing nearly all their series to make mobile/gacha games. Created an entire division just to push them. As part of their ongoing embezzlement schemes. They just close them down a year later and make a new one. The point is never for the game to be successful but to tell investors "and we have six new mobile games coming out this year! Please invest more!"
>>739640121So basically they're doing a JP ONRY stream and at certain point the worldwide stream goes live with international announcements.They probably learned their lesson from last time lmao.
>>739640494DQ I+II is much better than III. DQ I+II got massive improvements that make them into entirely new games. DQIII is largely the same as the super famicom game with a few downgrades.
>>7396114925>>>>>4>>>6>>>>>8>>Dogshit>>>7
>>739621295Did you see what they did with that in Cursed Prince, lmao. Except for one major incident they couldn't get rid of, anything bad that Psaro did was actually done by his secret brother.
You just know they're gonna fully remake VIII, despite the artstyle being timeless and it only needing an HD port to modern platfoms.
>>739640793While that's a dumb plot point, Psaro was already made into a sympathetic villain on the DS remake. Given justification for what he did because "elves bad, I did it for love."
>>739640650thanks anon
>starts with a DQVIII remake trailer>multiple shots of a heavily censored Jessica>finishes with a DQXII teaser>2028 release dateThis is what I'm expecting
>>739642103>she have darker skin to appeal to Americans, and was formerly a ginger>midi soundtrack
god zoomers are so unfunny.
how was the newest Monsters game? I loved 2 as a kid and was excited that a new one was actually getting localizedbut I kind of forgot about it when it released
>>739620596half the series is inaccessible to english-only and most of the rest of the other half is stuck on old platforms without just cutting the middle man out and emulating
>>739639426It runs like absolute shit on the switch.The Size system can be annoying if you want a specific monster to be Large, because its materials either have to both be Large, or have to be a big enough Small that it doesn't plummet the size down.Shiny monsters are annoying to breed, but they're only for endgame/pvp so it's whatever.PVP is dogshit.If you like autistically planning out synthesis chains then it can be fun; for example you can make the A-rank Krystalinda by the 2nd area's dungeon.
Will they finally re-visit this gem? Remaster or sequel I don't care just let the little guys back into the spotlight I beg you
What are the odds they'll announce another DQ VII remake
>>739642103This is what I'm expecting too. Sprinkle in a mobile game in between as well. I also don't expect the DQ12 trailer to even show much, so it'll just serve as confirmation that something exists. Also there will be no platforms for the game announced for some reason.
>>739620596Multiple people you're quoting want a remake of Dragon Quest IV because every version of the game that came out in the west was fucked in some way. It's one of the best DQ games in its PS1/DS form in Japan, but the localizations fucked them hard. There's a hope that if they remade it yet again (which Horii has hinted at), they will bring it to the west without removing scenes, removing party chat, fucking up the translation and so on. But of course, I'm not that hopeful. I'm sure they'll keep the terrible dialects and just add in the party chat this time.The people who constantly obsess over wanting a remake of IX are annoying though. I'll give you that. The only other game that needs a remake is VI. And that's because the DS remake phoned it in so hard. It didn't improve anything over the SFC original.
>>739643193It got a prequel on the GBA and sequel on 3DS. Of course, Japan only.
10 is finally coming statesidetime to get me a depressed menhera jp gf
>>739643623VI is the game least people care about. I wouldn't be surprised if they skipped the remake
>>739643792>VI is the game least people care aboutI thought that was VII or II
>>739642227>horse medea is replaced with tyler perry medeabravo hori
>>739611492Please let the CF who’s in love with you follow you on your adventure this time...
>>739611492>10 MINUTES LONGThat's a wrap
let me play 9 again
>>739643849Hell no, those might be the most polarizing, but VII was the highest selling PlayStation game in Japan and II estabilished a lot of the series core traits. VI is just kinda there, not even the team cared too much about it since they were busy with Chrono Trigger at the time.
>>739643849II just got remade and it really impressed a lot of fans. It went from arguably the worst game to the remake being as good as III or IV. But basically, it's not going to be the black sheep anymore. VI is the forgotten black sheep because few people have played it even now, because it was released so late on DS and with a limited print run. And of those who played it, it has a pretty divisive view. A few people who rave about it being the best game and most everyone else is like "too much world swapping and sailing."
>40th anniversary Dragon Quest stream on Eidmashallah
Had a lot of fun with the DQ III HD remake.Ì still need to play DQ I+II HD. Think I will start my playthrough after the announcement. >>7396441429 remake tomorrow
>>739644372Turban nigga remake confirmed
>>739644312>>739644348I see, I see.
Will we actually get this shit? Finally?
>>739644518why did they make this and then not release it internationally
>>739644573"Fuck you, gaijin." - Yuji Horii
>>739644573I Have no fucking clue dude! They are just dead set on never releasing this one to the west! there must be some loli rape plot or dolphin eating mini game or some shit.
was the remake of DQ7 a financial success in the west?it only has like 1800 reviews on steam...
>>739644612wtf that's rude but I still like you Yuji
>>739644573DQX offline was doomed from the start. It's only like the base and first expansion of the game. They'd need to release 6 more expansions to it to complete the main DQX storyline. And having an "offline" version that you need to buy expansions for defeats the whole purpose.But anyway, DQX was never a full game. It's good we never got it. If they released the real DQX complete without the need to be online, then it would make sense. They should do this when the game comes to the end of its life.
>>739644728OOOF. thats too bad because it's really nice. Then again, americans are feeling the financial pressure right now so luxuries like video games are suffering.
>>739644876>But anyway, DQX was never a full game. It's good we never got it. If they released the real DQX complete without the need to be online, then it would make sense. They should do this when the game comes to the end of its life.OOooh okay. (i'll play the fan translation some day I guess)
>>739644498That anon is talking out of his ass but the other one you quoted has the right idea. VI is just weird because it came out in a weird period. It's still well regarded in Japan, after all, Terry was popular enough to star in the monster series (he was the first protagonist) , people love Milly too, the game is also frequently memed in jpn circles.If anything it speaks to how high quality the series overall is that a great game like VI is considered the "forgotten one". By western standards anyway.
>>739645115I'm not too well versed in DQ stuff but that's cool to know. I only knew Carver was from DQVI because of Fortune Street.
>>739644573probably because it feels like an onboarding tool for the real X. Like a last ditch attempt to get people into X and keep it around longer or drum up interestit's not all of X "just offline" it's not even all of the free trial I think
>>739644612>>739644760It's this guy, not Yuji that was blocking games like DQX.
>>739612348torneko, pic related, ortega, martina...?
>>739645207I recommend trying it if you ever get the chance to. Really the truth is 4 and 5 were such heavy hitters that there was no way they were going to be able to follow-up on them immediately but I think the scaling back and more abstract ideas in VI add to it's charm.
>>739633915If you haven't gotten into DQ after 40 years, you're not gonna get into it now.
>>739645115Much of the love of the characters in VI is actually things the fanbase added to them through fanart and doujins. Terry being picked to be in DQM was not because he was a big fan favorite but just because he had ties to monsters in DQVI. Terry became more popular over time because of his role in DQM.And Milly is like the only character in DQVI who gets decent character development and personality. So it's not a surprise she's liked. She's my favorite of that game too. But it's because almost everyone else gets barely anything. This is what the DS remake should have fixed. I went in with everyone saying how Barbera was the greatest character ever. And then she has just one funny scene when you recruit her and then one "sad" scene in the ending...that's it. I really want to like her and everyone else. But there's so little development for them compared to other DQ games. Let alone something like Crono Trigger. Hopefully if they did yet another remake, they would add to their personality and give everyone a story arc. Like they did for the cast of II in the recent remake.
>>739612348Every girl who's name ends with an -a. (And Maribel)
>>739645207>I'm not too well versed in DQi'd recommend the newest one that just came out, or the Playstation NTSC version of DQ8
>>739645775Thats a lot of Bulmas
>>739645858>or the Playstation NTSC version of DQ8well, I got that one, along with the switch version of 3hd and the 3ds version of vii.
>>739640494You're supposed to get both. I&II is technically better like the other anon said, but they are very much sequels to III and do a lot to tie in with it.Horii reworked DQ recently and a lot of the series since XI has been designed around that.I imagine the current Horii "play order" would look like this:>Dragon Quest XI S>Dragon Quest: Treasures (optional)>Dragon Quest III HD2D>Dragon Quest: Emblem of Roto (optional)>Dragon Quest I&II 2DHD >Dragon Quest Builders>Dragon Quest Builders 2>Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai (optional)>Dragon Quest VII: Reimagined Given that the stream is only ten minutes long I don't think XII will be there, but I suppose someone could say I'm wrong and a faggot by tomorrow. I think Horii is focused on presenting the 'ideal newcomer experience' so we very well could see the rest of the series release like this>Dragon Quest VI: Remake>Dragon Quest IV: Remake>Dragon Quest V: Remake>Dragon Quest VII: Remastered>Dragon Quest IX: Remake...>Dragon Quest XIIThat sounds absurd, but given the rate of these remakes, if they were planning to do more they'd likely already be almost done, like how VII got a surprise announcement only months out from its release.I could see Horii pulling a card like showing the Zenithian Trilogy or VIII and going "Expect more this summer!"Though I do doubt he'd start with VI, I can't imagine people would get excited over VI like how III got people excited back in 2021.
DQ8 remake incoming they already got 7 out of the way and bypassed 4, 5 and 6
>>739645939nice
>>739644518>>739644573>>739644667DQX Offline only exists as an introduction to DQX proper, where you can build up your own character and clear the early materials so you can get into Version 3.
>>739645325DQX just wouldn't be worth bringing over.At best it'd cut into FFXI and FFXIV. At worst the ENG servers would be empty after a month.
>>739646130>Dragon Quest VII: RemasteredAre you fucking serious? Another one? or did you mean VIII
>>739645775>exact same face 3 times in the bottom rightif I wasn't so lazy I'd edit everyone's face to be Ashlynn's
>>739646137Horii implied 4-6 were being worked on by saying "7 was just completed first." If they are remaking them, I hope they spend as long as they need. And make massive improvements like DQ2 got. I'm also fine waiting for 12. Hopefully if it takes even longer, it can come out after the great localization purge that's in process now.
>>739612298I only know about the Pokémon go clone, not sure how alive it is nowadays since Square killed at least half of their gacha games when restructuring.
>>739646397>>739645913This particular image was drawn by a guest artist for Famitsu magazine. And not Toriyama himself. Basically, it's someone trying to mimic/honor his style. But despite how much people like to joke, Toriyama is not this much of a sameface.
>>739646328Meant to type VIII yeah.I think VIII would get a remastered treatment simply because it already fits the current XI aesthetic. They'd just update the textures, clean up some animations, and release it all prettied up like Wind Waker HD I think. My predictions overall are>DQ4-63D remakes, but I could see them being chibified, like DQV PS2. I think Horii wants distinct aesthetics for each game, 1-3 are still sprite based but in a storybook way with the HD2D, since they're evocative of older legends.While DQVIIR is like dioramas, since it's a bunch of moments in time frozen in the midst of conflict. 4-6 are more character focused, so I am curious as to how a remake would adapt them. I really don't want HD2D for those games, I'd want 3D (also because it'd mean there'd be character battle animations like in VIIR). IX is another interesting one to consider since that one was only on one console and it has a unique gameplay setup with the online and coop features. Could be the actual game that gets the chibi aesthetic.
>>739646494>>739645775I want to say it's Nakatsuru given the highlights on Roto's hair.
'Sameface' is a fake problem, the more you differentiate a face the uglier it gets.
>>739646137>DQ8 remake incomingit is very popular and it has been a while. I would love to play a version of DQ8 in the DQ11 engine.
>>739646546Hire the guy that made Hylics and do 4-6 claymation style
>>7396464167's remake was a shame but I don't think any other game will be like it, and I think the response to the difficulty will have Horii tone down the baby mode going on in 7. Horii has a real chip on his shoulder with the game's initial reception and you can feel that constantly in VIIR. I was just baffled by the opening having you fight random fucking ghosts for no reason right at the start and you get to the first island after only 20 minutes tops anyways.
>>739645678None of what you said is reality. II actually wasn't hated like it was in the west and well liked enough in Japan; are you going to try to say the memes about the II hero and Prince of Cannock are what made it popular after the fact and not that is was a game that gained a lot of passionate fans through its own merit?>because almost everyone else gets barely anything.Carver, Milly, Terry and even Nevan get enough moments to make you endeared with them. It isn't anything compared to IV, V and even the ones the follow but its enough the make you care, not every game needs extensive dramatic character arcs. The party chat dialogs going to and from towns, going to dungeon etc. are more than sufficient especially since you'll spend a good portion of the beginning wondering what the fuck is happeningBy your other posts you don't read or understand Japanese so I refuse to press you further because odds are you're just going to dive into more translation culture war doomposting and that distracts from the actual subject which is VI being a good game despite being overshadowed by other entires in the series. >I went in with everyone saying how Barbera was the greatest character ever.No one ever said this about her outside the most dedicated waifufags. Even then, party chat existed if you want to talk to her non-stop.
>>739646494>This particular image was drawn by a guest artist for Famitsu magazine. And not Toriyama himself. Basically, it's someone trying to mimic/honor his style. But despite how much people like to joke, Toriyama is not this much of a sameface.i 100 percent believe you. Toriyama was probably too busy or sick or fatigued to draw it. He got a lot better as time went on true.
>>739646546>I think VIII would get a remastered treatment simply because it already fits the current XI aestheticI'd absolutely be ok with just a straight up port. Only reason I'd take the Remastered over the original is if it combines the 3DS extra content and the PS2 game into a "definitive" package.
>>7396465464-6 could go either way they started out as sprite based games so Horii might want to go HD-2D instead of the DS route to preserve the original spirit of them.
>got 3 remake>didn't like it>got 7 remake>didn't like it>don't see the appeal in 1+2 after disliking 3I kinda think 11 was a fluke and DQ as a series just isn't for me.
6 is my favorite because Hero looks coolest.
>>739646794Toriyama just doesn't draw a lot of promo art. Lots of promo art is done by guys at Bird Studio, and so much work is done by Nakatsuru specifically. Like the Dragon Quest III SFC arc, that's all Nakatsuru (also why it looks fuckugly). >>739646901Knowing Horii it would be a remaster, but I can only see him being faithful to DQVIII for the most part. He seems to view that game as a bible for "western appeal", which is why DQXI and VIIR have DQVIII shit in them for now reason.>>739646938Well DS is HD2D, but I don't think those games have their spirit in the 2D. DQV transitioned really well to 3D on PS2, and I'd want to see those games be distinct from 1-3 and 7.
It won't but I hope 12 has a class system
>>739646608I just find it weird how some people are obsessed about it in regards of Toriyama when it's common to virtually every anime artist.
>>739647001maybe. 11 was made with A LOT experience coming from the previous 10 games. Standing on the shoulders of giants. Up to you but I would say play DQ8, it's a masterpiece.
>>739647001You play one DQ, you played them all>all towns, architecture and forests look exactly the same in every game>same enemies over and over every game>all the music sounds exactly the same
>>739646720>None of what you said is reality. II actually wasn't hated like it was in the west and well liked enough in Japan; are you going to try to say the memes about the II hero and Prince of Cannock are what made it popular after the fact and not that is was a game that gained a lot of passionate fans through its own merit?I never claimed II wasn't popular in Japan, because I actually follow Japanese polls. And it would consistently surprise people by being high in polls. But beyond this, a number of developers like the creators of DOA and Mother cite Dragon Quest II as one of the biggest influences on them. Not to mention a number of JRPGs like Mother obviously use Dragon Quest II as inspiration, despite coming out well after DQ III, IV and V. They didn't choose to imitate those but specifically II.You're not really seeing that kind of reaction to VI. Just some dedicated fan artists who really like drawing the characters. And yes, they add a lot more personality to the characters in their art than the original game did.>Carver, Milly, Terry and even NevanCarver has like two scenes. One when you recruit him and one when you visit his home town. Nevan has just the scene where he takes you to his home town and then is effectively not there unless you have him in your party to react to stuff. Nevan is the prime example of a character not getting enough development. He has no personal character arc and no point in the story besides showing you to his town.>It isn't anything compared to IV, V and even the ones the followSo...you agree with me it's pretty weak compared to the others. You just add that you think it's enough to care about the characters. For me, it wasn't. Only Milly got enough for me to care.>No one ever said this about her outside the most dedicated waifufagsIt probably was waifufags telling me that then. >Even then, party chat existed if you want to talk to her non-stop.I tried and her party chat was really dry.
>>739647130He's popular but highly competent, so they struggle to find something to shit on him for
>>739647274>I have never played IV or V: the post
>>739646608retarded take>>739647130It isn't a problem, it's just retards desperate to shit on something. Toriyama has alot more variety of faces than most anime styled characters
>>739647001To play multiple DQ games I think it's basically a requirement that you have nostalgia for it because if you're a newfag getting into them as the other anon said they're basically all the same game so there's nothing new or interesting to find in the other games. It's not like FF where every single game stands on it's own as a unique experience cause they experiment with every single release.
Nevan has to be the worst design for a DQ playable character. I despise him so much.
>>739611492>thank you for buying our censored slop>now look forward to buying this censored slopnow you don't need to watch it.
>>739639387they gotta pretend they can recoup 7 years worth of dev hell
>>739647130It's levied at Toriyama a lot because of how little space there is between his projects which makes it a lot more noticeable. Hirai's gotten the same treatment in the 2000's and the modern equivalent would be Zero-G Juggs Yasuda
>>739647491>i-is that g-g-glasses?!?!??!?>AIIEEEEEEEE IM GOING INSANE
>>739647001Dragon Quest 11 is very different from most other DQ games. Which is why I tell people it isn't the best game to start with, despite so many people parroting that very thing (because it was their first game). Dragon Quest 11 is much more linear and cutscene driven. In other words it's more like a modern JRPG or Final Fantasy game than a classic DQ game. Older DQ games are about passive storytelling, exploration and item collection. Dragon Quest 11 is linear, direct story telling, less items, more cutscene triggers, etc. It's closer to Final Fantasy 12 than any DQ game. But I know some big FF fans who hate almost all DQ games. But for some reason they love Dragon Quest V. So maybe you'll like that one.
>>739647639>DQ11 is like FF12Bro I think you need to take your meds.
>>739647639It the most accessible game to start with t. started with 3
>>739621160I wish thats how he looked in the actual game
>>739646608
>>739647638>bald>midget>shitty color scheme
>>739647638The glasses are the least offensive part about him.
>>73964763911 is closest to FF IX if anything
>>739647639My dude you posted V which is also linear and story driven
>>739647639I don't know how anyone could think this. Sure there are more cutscenes but to even try and say 11 is story focused is unbelievably dishonest and I honestly question if you've even played it. It's just a modern DQ game where the DQ formula is refined to it's purest form. It's the most safe "just make a DQ game" they could have possibly made. Zero risks, zero experimentation, just DQ.
>>739647778turn on your monitor
It's crazy that in an era when even Mario Kart is open-world, Dragon Quest (a game that should naturally be open-world given its inspiration from titles like Ultima), insists on becoming increasingly linear.Dragon Quest should be an open-world adventure where you have to talk to NPCs and explore to piece things together and figure out what to do next.
now we have an open world schizo shitting his diaper
DQ PROTAG SWAG RANKINGS (NO FOIDS)>Top G: TerryNot a real protagonist but he was the coolest fucking one, Trunks with a bandana, there's a reason why his design got ripped off for Eighto.>12. LuminaryHe looks fucking gay, alright. The purple and brown hair make him look like he takes it up the ass.>11. Default Player Character (Forma X)Also looks incredibly lame but this is because he's meant to reflect a typical Japanese person. His hair is shorter so he wins by looking less faggy.>10. Solo (Forma I (Forma Design Revisions))This is the Super Saiyajin hair one with the red armour, I don't know what the fuck anyone was thinking with this, he looks like a Mexican OC.>9. MidenhallHas the design sensibilities of a South Park character. Chibify him and he'd fit in right next to Stan and Kenny with his all blue getup and his fucking HAT.>8. Solo (Forma I (Original))Knight's armor is cool but other guys rock it way harder in this series.>7. Erdrick He is super generic. That's because he had the initial design, but it still holds true.>6. RekThe belt across the chest makes the fit work. I think his hair is gay but other than that he's good.>5. Solo (Forma IV)He looks gay but in an approachable way, not like Luminary. >4. Default Player Character (Forma IX) Gets massive points for being a shota and an angel.>3. MadasonSimple is best. Cloak and turban just works. His son has a way cooler design but who cares, all of these guys look lamer than their party members.>2. EightoHe's just cool. Everything about his design screams cool. Unfortunately, his design gets spammed too much so number one goes to...>1. ArusSHOTA WINS AGAIN
>>739643193No. SE says japan doesn't want more Rocket Slime games. They also acknowledge that the west wants more games but they refuse to bring SMM1 or 3 to the west for whatever reason.
>>739647987hell-no, fuck off with open world.
>>739647274>all towns, architecture and forests look exactly the same in every gameBut they don't. Especially after the transition to 3D. But if you're going to make this claim, you could claim FF1-6 are all just the same game. And I bet you'd take offense to that.Fun fact: a number of the "innovations" Final Fantasy made in games like 3, 4 and 6 were done by Dragon Quest first. And the series creator Sugiyama even admitted his way of creating things for Final Fantasy was "look at what Dragon Quest is doing and try to do the opposite." Funny enough, he ended up doing the same more than doing the opposite.>same enemies over and over every gameThey add new enemies every game while reusing the old ones. Same as FF and most JRPG series that have many installments.>all the music sounds exactly the sameThe first three games have very baroque inspired songs, since that's the setting the games have. The next three games have a more Romantic/modern classical style while the games take on a more Renaissance setting. The games from 7 and on are very much modern classical like a film score.And here's where you respond "nah, it's all the same shit" and ignore all the points I made. Like every thread.
>>739647778Cool weapon though
>>739647987They can't make it less linear without sacrificing the story.
>>739648050no one cares about your gay pedophile ranking
>>739648192FAGS MAD
>>739648105>FF1-6 are all just the same game.You've never played FF1-6
>>739647987>make it open world>devs just slap enemies that are 50x higher level to block you off>have to talk to every single NPC random overexaggerated british dialogue to figure out what to do like the old DQ and FF gamesNah, im good. Just make another one like 11
>>739648261>>devs just slap enemies that are 50x higher level to block you off>>have to talk to every single NPC random overexaggerated british dialogue to figure out what to do like the old DQ and FF gamesYep, that's ludo.
>>739647935>Sure there are more cutscenes but to even try and say 11 is story focused is unbelievably dishonest It has the most dialogue save only for Dragon Quest 7. But also, it's super linear, constantly urging you to go to the next story point. And a lot less items/areas to explore between each story point compared to previous DQ games. It's clear the story is the focus of the game. But don't take my word for it. Take Horii, who said he was focusing more on telling a story this time. And that's why he insisted so hard it needed to be on a console and not handheld. And fought for making two different versions of the game.>>739648094Most DQ games are open world. Dragon Quest 1-8 were all open worlds. They just became more linear zones in 9 and 11. Open world =/= Activision Free roaming.
>>739648094Open worlds are in Dragon Quest's DNA. In the original NES game, a crucial part of the adventure is gathering clues through free exploration.One of the first caves near the starting point has basically nothing of much value except for a stone with some inscriptions for you to read and gain knowledge. This is the idea behind open worlds done right: you don’t need to collect a bunch of junk in every location, but you gradually gain knowledge about the game and the world, thereby discovering what you must do to proceed.
>>739648261The HD2D remakes just circle your destination on the overworld map because they know damn well you're mashing A through the dialogue boxes.
>>739648252>You've never played FF1-6And you can't read. Or are intentionally misinterpreting my point for deflection. I'm saying DQ1-6 are not all the same in the same way FF1-6 aren't.For the record, Final Fantasy III and V are my favorite FF games. And I bet I'm more familiar with FF1-6 than you are.
Fingers crossed forthere tobe aDragon Quest puff puff spinoff announced tomorrow Fuck? Marry? Puff Puff?
>>739648431When i cant understand half the shit they're saying because everyone is talking in native tongue and also 90% of them are just saying something useless anyway, yeah, i would be mashing too.
>>739647319>Muh scenesWhatever scenes they had were enough to gain a fanbase of people who care about them. The perfect counterpoint to your claim is actually III, which outside of the Hero, no one in your party will have characterization unless it's headcanon'd by the player. To date it's still one of the top selling games in the series (I haven't checked in a while but it is for sure within the top 3) and it was well regarded since its famicom days; it isn't memes and doujinshi propelling Jester, Warrior Class (F) and even Ortega into popularity. So I don't know why you're hell bent on discrediting VI outside of your personal vendetta because your fictional wife didn't get enough attention.>So...you agree with me it's pretty weak compared to the others.No, I am saying in terms of characterization it obviously isn't going to hold a candle to >IVWhich has character narrative driven chapters for each party member up until you control the Hero.>VArguably the best written game in the series with only 11 coming closeThose two are just tough acts to follow compared to >IYou're the hero and you need to save the princesss>IIYou're descendants of the Hero and you have to save the world again.>IIIIt's spoilers but you get the idea. You're just purposely being obtuse. You think it's a black sheep because people in America didn't buy it on the DS. I think it's well loved among the people who play it just less discussed in english spaces. >I tried and her party chat was really dry.Then it looks like you didn't really love your waifu after all, then. Not every conversation is going to be amazing. I don't have shit taste though and Milly usually had interesting things to say so that is a you problem.That being said I am hoping for a remake. I'd like to experience the world again with preferably a better remade OST. The DS remake did fuck up a lot of tracks from the original version
>>739648485Marry JadeLet the others live
>>739648105>>739648252On the FF side, saying "FF1-6 are all the same" is dumb, but I would agree that FF1-6 have less going on and less innovation than DQ1-6, in addition to the simple fact that FF just never commits to most of its changes.FF1 was basically just a way shittier DQ2. Was less open exploration and the option to choose your classes means nothing without a proper job system. Instead it's just optimizing your party one time before you even play the game, and then basically never again.FF2 drops that class system for set characters and a new leveling system that had issues, but also had a lot of intrigue. Instead of developing that though, it gets thrown out and FF3 regresses into being a low-rent DQ3 clone that doesn't iterate on FF2's actual big change- having real characters and a real story.But then FF4 backpedals harder into having FAR less interesting gameplay but with more story stuff, only for FF5 to backpedal AGAIN to the Job system (and its addition of ATB would be the only thing FF actually keeps for a long time). It's a lot of wibble-wobble between already existing ideas. DQ on the other hand reinvented itself meaningfully.2 adds a party and those members having different strengths and weaknesses.3 adds full customization of the party.4 drops the full customization but adds the caravan, which still retains that optimization idea of 3.5 sidegrades the customizability to recruiting monsters, having your party basically be tools you switch out as needed which is a big change. You don't have a set party in 5 until the final few areas when you get your wife and kids back.And 6 goes back to a lot of 3's systems while maintaining 5's monster recruitment.One certainly rocks the ship more, but it rocks it by just removing shit and then bringing it back with no real regard for developing things meaningfully. I'd say a lot of FF is just worse as RPGs than most other titles of their time, not just DQ.
>>739648473>V chadBased
>>739611492Anyone else thinks they are going to remaster dq8?
can mainline DQ finally move away from turn cringe to action kino please
>>739647090>Toriyama just doesn't draw a lot of promo art. Lots of promo art is done by guys at Bird Studio, and so much work is done by Nakatsuru specifically. Like the Dragon Quest III SFC arc, that's all Nakatsuru (also why it looks fuckugly)I see okay. Man i wonder if i could learn to be at least good enough to copy my favorite manga artist (hentai manga)
>>739648346Its not open world if you have fake barriers put up. They would need to design the entire game to be beatable with a low enough level, even making a level 1 run possible. Essentially a game that takes different routes that depend on how far you want to take it, like how end Chrono Trigger early with bad endings or fight the final boss early. And devs dont do that in this day and age.
>>739612348How fucking out of touch can someone be to think that what's likely the most referenced to game in all of video game history isn't filled with iconic characters. To this day every fucking video game and anime is filled with Dragon Quest references and ripoffs.
why does /v/ like DQ suddenly?
>>739648869/v/ doesn't. I recognize most of the effortposts here as being from the same 5-10 people as usual.
>>739647274and pokemonand fromsoft souls likesand cowadootyand marioand indie metroidvanias and monster hunteretc
>>739638162>30 for a nes game with a skinHoly fuck
>>7396470011 & 2 have a different feel to them than 3 does.
>>739612348Torneko is my nigga.
>>739648582Whatever scenes they had were enough to gain a fanbase of people who care about them. The perfect counterpoint to your claim is actually III, which outside of the Hero, no one in your party will have characterization unless it's headcanon'd by the player. To date it's still one of the top selling games in the series (I haven't checked in a while but it is for sure within the top 3) and it was well regarded since its famicom days; it isn't memes and doujinshi propelling Jester, Warrior Class (F) and even Ortega into popularity. So I don't know why you're hell bent on discrediting VI outside of your personal vendetta because your fictional wife didn't get enough attention.>No, I am saying in terms of characterization it obviously isn't going to hold a candle to I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. Because you're actually cementing my point. But then trying to insult me and then claim you're saying the opposite...>You think it's a black sheep because people in America didn't buy it on the DS. No, I'm saying it's the black sheep because of the myriad of reasons I gave. The Japanese audience is lukewarm to it compared to others. It's still a DQ game so it still sold well (though still one of the lowest comparatively). But it never gets very high in fan rankings, fan art, etc.And I never said anything about western sales because it got zero marketing in the west and a limited print run. Dragon Quest IV-VI all got shafted in the western release and sell for over $100 these days because of higher demand than supply. But we can't use that to gauge how popular DQVI was with western fans. So few people got to play it at all. Of the few people who have played it and comment on it on places like this or DQForums (which I frequent), the general consensus is lukewarm. A handful of people who obsess over it and most everyone else is like "eh...it exists and I played it once. Don't remember much besides annoying world transfers."
Okay, what's the run down on>Treasures>Monsters TDP>Heroes 1&2>Infinity Strashfor quality, since the reviews seem to be mixed to mostly positive. Builders seems fine, heard plenty on those even in 2 is the most complete game apparently, but i've got nothing on these, especially for PC ports.
>>739648473FF5 Chad I shall represent with you including FF4 and FF6 too
>>739649069I love him dude. Fat married guy going into dungeons for find loot for his shop? He's great. I know we have the mystery dungeon games with him, and those are great, but I I'd like something like a DQM game where it's all about managing your monsters and doing business too with him as the protag.
I just want Heroes 3I love action combat with DQ trappings, but i get that mainline shouldnt have itThis time instead of the actual characters from the old games it should just be new characters to represent each vocation in the series so far
>>739648679krile was in my dream the other night. also those AI porn of Krile is....kind of okay.
>>739649202Or how about a heroes game that actually has.... the heroes playable?
>>739648643>I'd say a lot of FF is just worse as RPGs than most other titles of their time, not just DQ.I used to think that way. But after replaying FF1-6 multiple times, I've grown to respect III, IV and V. III and V especially because they do many of the things I like in DQ games as well. But mostly because they're what I think FF should be. And it's the games that came after (including VI) which went in the direction I don't like.If Final Fantasy continued to be like III and V, with a focus on job system, exploration, character building and so on, I'd still love it. Bravely Default is a perfect example of how the FF side just can't figure this out. It went back to all those things...but then also threw in 60 hours of dialogue filler. Because they think every modern JRPG has to focus on that.
>>739646416>it can come out after the great localization purge that's in process now.quick rundown?
>>739649658Wouldnt nearly all of them play the same?
>>739646130>the adventures of dai>never got a sequel due to poor sales>ending left on a cliffhanger.
>>739649721If the devs were as small minded and idiotic as you, possibly
put Tact on Switch Hori!
>>739649752>the Adventure of "Die">diesKino....
>>739649752Dai actually ended due to health concerns. It was extremely popular as a manga.If you mean the game though, yeah, I don't think they ever thought it was gonna get a sequel honestly.
>>739649950at least Viz is publishing the rest of the manga hopefully this time around. they stopped at five for years and suddenly interest sparked again. maybe licensing issues? meanwhile Emblem of Roto seems good, yet haven't read the rest yet.
>>739649794What a rude person
>>739649706A number of localizers for anime/manga have gone on twitter/blue sky and admitted what we all assumed for decades. That they intentionally alter as much of the Japanese as possible to take control and "own" the product. After the recent thing where X allowed Japanese people to see translated posts, a lot of Japanese fans and some of the original manga/anime creators started to read these posts. And are livid. A few manga companies even forced the localization company to rewrite and reprint the manga, as well as replace (fire) the people bragging about improving and replacing the Japanese.How this applies to games is a lot of those same people work on game translations. And there already was a stink about stuff like Trials of Mana, Final Fantasy XIV, Aegis 13, Fire Emblem and some other games getting bad translations. As well as the whole SAG/AFTRA debacle where they tried to take over the entire dubbing industry. But now with these people on Twitter/Blue Sky just outright confirming and bragging about it means it's total open war. And in a lot of cases, the localizers aren't winning. Because it comes at the exact same time as the hedge funds and shareholders are pulling out of their companies and AI is poised to do their job faster and cheaper.The point of all this is, there's a growing trend of people preferring accurate translations over massivly altered "flavor" ones. Especially since the majority of people playing these games also like anime and manga. And so they don't want all the Japanese stuff to be covered up and replaced. That's why they're playing the games. Especially JRPGs.But we'll see if this extends to Dragon Quest. The same people who cry bloody murder over Mana or Final Fantasy having one changed line of dialogue will turn around and say it's fine when Dragon Quest does it.
>>739614305it's insane how much better the hero outfit is than 11's regular fit.
I hope DQXII has cute girls at least.
>>73965063411 protag in general is easily one of the most sauceless in terms of vanilla appearance, he's too generic despite the purple trying to be standout. But he rocks other costumes pretty well.
>>739650634I don't get Horii's reasoning. But the hero in 11 is kind of a big joke. His clothes and hair and everything was an ongoing punchline many NPCs pointed out. So I think it was Horii attempting to be a parody of the pretty boy trope we see in so many other JRPGs. But when the main plot is trying to make the hero into a sympathetic orphan and playing it straight...it kinda doesn't match the tone.It also clashes with a lot of other DQ heroes who were very much the everyman who isn't suppose to stand out. At least for games like 5 and 8. 8 did it perfectly. 11 is very much the opposite taken to the extreme.
>>739650308I doubt anything will change in Dragon Quest. I don't recall seeing anything truly bizarre in any DQ game in terms of politics, ideologies, etc.That nonsense of having characters speak in haiku, use various European accents, or all the creative liberties the developers take (usually for wordplay), will likely continue, because I’m sure that, in the original authors' view, it’s a way to compensate for the fact that various Japanese linguistic nuances are lost because they’re untranslatable into English.
>sauceless>fittotal zoomer death
>>7396508848's Hero is probably my favorite. his outfit on 11 is actually my 2nd least favorite, the hair just doesn't work right with the bandana. But the armor without the helmet or the tiara does look pretty good. though I still just use the classic hero fit when playing. 11's prettyboy stuff is fine, he is a prince after all. >>739650962>he thinks zoomers invented either of those slangjesus christ man how old/out of touch are you
>>739650792If by some strange miracle a smash 6 happens AND hero comes back, I could see this design (and maybe the alts) being swapped out for the DQ12 MC + 3/4 other heroes
>>739650932The original author (Horii) has expressed he doesn't like it. Specifically he asked them to stop doing the Olde English dialect in the NES games. Which they did. But it's many decades later and they brought the Olde English back in the DQI-III ports on smartphones, added it into the HD remakes and had it in DQIX and XI. So clearly they're not listening to his wishes.In the same interview he also admitted he doesn't know English and doesn't look at anything besides some name changes. And lets the localization team handle the rest. So it's very likely he doesn't know it's going on. At the very least, he didn't sign off on it, like tons of people were claiming he did.
>>739651279Honestly of all the heroes to get skins 11 is the least worthy, it's just an advertisement. Whenever I play Hero in Ultimate I use the DQ3 Hero, I feel like it's wrong to play anyone else, even 8.
>>739651309Or...he changed his mind.
>>739651459I get why they did it, but yeah I don't think it'll stick around for another smash appearance
>>739612348someone hasn't read enough doujins
I was wondering why there was no /vg/ thread, almost forgot this was today lmao
"Localizer" is not a thing. It's called translation.No, I am not condoning the shit translations we get so often. I'm just asking you to stop being retards.
>>739649106>I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. Because you're actually cementing my point. But then trying to insult me and then claim you're saying the opposite...I tried spelling it out for you but it's clear the porn has damaged your brain. I have time so let's go through each of your posts.>>739643623>Locailzation doomposting>>739644348>VI is the forgotten black sheep because few people have played it even now>because it was released so late in the DS with a limited print runHere's you directly attempting to say VI is the black sheep exclusively because it got a limited release in the west. >And of those who played it, it has a pretty divisive view. A few people who rave about it being the best game etc. etc.This is, again, probably your own schizophrenic view of how others perceive the title. Whether it's from other eng speaking forums or doujin comment sections. I still don't know where you got the idea Barbara/Ashlynn was the best character in the game. regardless.>>739645678>Much of the love of the characters in VI is actually things the fanbase added to them through fanart and doujinsAgain discrediting VI. This time attributing it's popularity to fan art and porn which makes no sense. III gets the most porn/fan content out of all the games and no one would try to say III is only popular because of fanart.>Terry being picked to be in DQM was not because he was a big fan favorite but just because he had ties to monsters in DQVISo did plenty of other characters in prior entries. They chose Terry because fans in Japan liked his character a lot. I personally think he's kind of an asshole but that sort of character type was popular there.The rest of your post is you being upset that you didn't utilize an in-game mechanic in the game you're complaining about to talk to your favorite character more. Which is schizophrenic behavior. You have two more that I already went though but I don't mind going through them again(1/2)
>>739651548He had this interview back in 2012. After they had been doing it in the newer games. He also had a much recent interview (March of this year) where he pointed out that much of the subtlety of his writing is lost when translated to English. This take sounds pretentious...unless his perception comes from the translations of his work in English. Which alter so much they are total rewrites. That would make someone feel like either the language lacks the ability to express what you're trying to say or...the localizers are just fucking altering it so bad it isn't anywhere close to what he intended. He chose the former option to be less rude, as is the Japanese way.Dialect defenders have to really bend over backwards to try to justify these changes. And are obsessed with somehow proving Horii approved of it, even when he flat out says he didn't.
>>739651309I'm surprised the archaic dialect survived for so long, considering it was just a marketing gimmick created by stupid marketers to make the game feel more like Ultima. This crap went on until Ultima fell out of favor and was largely surpassed in commercial success by JRPGs.I hate the archaic dialect, followed by the several name changes and the damn fucking haiku.
>>739651751It hit the bump limit a couple hours ago and has always been slow to make a new thread. It'll be back up, don't worry.
>>739651974Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to defend anything. I'm just throwing a possibility out there.Also, there's no such thing as a "localizer." It's called translator.
>>739651974NTA but I can't explain why I enjoy DQ's English localization as much as I do while also hating a lot of other localizations. I would prefer straight forward translations yes, but for some reason unknown to myself it doesn't bother me that much in DQ. Maybe other anons might know how to put that into words better?
>>739651797Localizers ARE a thing. Have you SEEN the people that "translate" DQ? It isnt even an actual translation half the time, it's basically fanfic.
>>739651797It's not translation because it isn't translating the text.It's "Fanfic Writing" or "Vandalism"
>>739651806>https://automaton-media.com/en/news/dragon-quest-creator-yuji-horii-says-english-translations-inevitably-strip-away-a-lot-of-a-games-flavor/Because III sold many more copies (a metric of sales) and gets tons more art (a metric of popularity) and constantly ranks higher in fan polls for favorite game. You keep trying to make this point thinking you're proving something. But you're actually creating a false dichotomy. Dragon Quest III and VI are not popular because one has more or less characterization. The point about characterization is just my personal take on why I didn't find VI to be that engaging. But clearly lots of other people are fine with less characterization, as other DQ games with a lot less character dialogue/development are still more popular than VI.I also never claimed VI is more popular because of fanart. I'm saying the fanart added more character and personality to them. Many artists create unique situations/manga panels with the characters doing things they never do in the game. That's just what fanart does.>The rest of your post is you being upset that you didn't utilize an in-game mechanic in the game you're complaining about to talk to your favorite character more. Except I specifically said I did talk to Barbera (Ashlynn) in Party Chat a lot. I just found it dry and it didn't add much character to her in my opinion. You're the one who's so mad you're not even able to comprehend what I'm saying. That or you're intentionally misinterpreting it to just have something to argue against.
>>739652192>>739652202Those are not "localizers", because that is not a job. Those are translators that are bad at their jobs. Localization is just a part of the translator's toolkit.Don't be retards. Would you call a landscaper a "backhoer" because he happens to use a backhoe as part of his toolkit? No.
>>739647319Here you go on a ramble about two; ignoring the parallel I was trying to make with VI. I'm not impressed you skimmed DQwiki articles. Ironically enough, all you would have to do is skim a wikipedia article and see DQVI's influence on multiple video game titles, you don't even have to look outside of Square Enix. Again, the more you post, the more you just seem like a very disgruntled waifufag upset that your vision of the characters didn't match some doujinshi you read.>>739649106This post you fucked up the quoting but>I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore. Because you're actually cementing my point. But then trying to insult me and then claim you're saying the opposite...I accept your concession. >The Japanese audience is lukewarm to it compared to othersNone of your posts mentioned anything about the japanese audience and perception of the game prior to this one. And no mentioning porn and doujinshi isn't the same thing. VI is well loved in Japan but it is less talked about. That isn't me agreeing with your because your points are dumb and mainly headcanon. (unless your fan artist argument is really what you're going with)>But it never gets very high in fan rankings, fan art, etc.VII doesn't either and it's one of the highest selling games in the series. Have you considered fanartists are a different audience compared to people who just play and enjoy the game?>And I never said anything about western sales because it got zero marketing in the west and a limited print runSo in closing your argument is; VI isn't popular because>There isn't a lot of fan art for it>It got no marketing in the west, released late on the DS and got a limited run>But you can't use that to gauge how popular it is with western fans>But it has a lukewarm reception in japan>This english dragon quest forum I go to doesn't talk about it a lotI genuinely have no what your grudge against this game is.it is funny and got me effort post so congrats.
>>739652095>Also, there's no such thing as a "localizer." It's called translator.No, there's literally a position called localizer. There is a "Head of Localization" position in both Japan and each region they localize to. And then translators under them. Most of the translations are done initially by the branch in Japan. Then a third party like Plus Alpha or 8-4 does a second pass, cleans it up, and codes it into the game. The head of localization of SE of Japan (the previous one at least) has gone on record as saying he's the one who kept pushing for more accent and dialect changes. And this was confirmed by 8-4 (the people who did the third party translation for Dragon Quest VI and VII on DS). They actually wanted to cut down on that stuff because it triples their work load. But every time they sent their work to Japan to be looked over, they'd get notes from the Japanese staff saying "More accents! More dialects! More changes!" And so they'd have to ham it up to the nth degree before the Japanese localization department was happy. Then every place the Japanese team didn't oversee, they just phoned it in and had normal English. This is why you'll play the games and one town will be just swimming in accents and changes. Then the next three towns have nothing.https://www.escapistmagazine.com/news-square-enix-localization-director-drama/https://8-4.jp/podcasts/2011/04/23/8-4-play-4222011-project-cafe-ole/
>>739652640Shit, things got worse when I wasn't looking. I stand corrected. I am the faggot.
>>739650308i wonder which manga this applies too
>>739649069>playing dq4 nds>appraising female-only items with Torneko>fishnet stockings, skirts, leotards, dancer costumes>mfw reading his lines as he keeps suggesting what he'd look like wearing it
>>739652564>I assume you just skimmed wiki artices>you're an idiot>you just come off as a waifufagAll things I said the exact opposite of in my posts. Like I already said I liked Milly more than Barbera. Yet you just assume I'm a "disgruntled waifufag." The irony that you accuse me of being delusional when almost all your counter points are deflection or blatant misinterpretation of my points to be the exact opposite of what I said. You just sound like someone who wants to win an argument, even if all you do is resort to ad hominem and mischaracterization to do it. But I shouldn't be that surprised on 4chan.
>>739651974NTA but I read the article about the interview and came across as if Horii didnt quite get the nuances between how English/Japanese convey information and the linguistic quirks between languages, so he just did the usual "well Japanese has several different words for it but English just uses I in every instance, so all the nuance is lost". But the ultimate thing is that while localizers do go overboard, the kind of alternatives that are often posted also throw away all of the careful word choices that Horii uses to convey the cast.What Japan can convey with stuff like boku/watashi/atashi/ore/etc, English and other languages will have to make up with other word choices here and there to convey the same intent without reaching meme level like Ragnar's heavy text accent or Nimzo's cyrillic shit.
>>739653052There is nothing to win. All your points just suck. If you refuse to admit then that's fine too. And you are a waifufag, thanks for the entertaining convo.
>>739612348Its a jrpg they dont have characters or story, just calculator gameplay
>>739612348Fuck you.
>>739652791Maid Dragon, JJK, Something recent called Gachiakuta, etc.But really, this shit goes all the way back to the 1970s. They heavily alter most manga. Azumanga Daioh, Ranma, Sailor Moon, etc. They had way more alterations than you even realize.
>>739651974>where he pointed out that much of the subtlety of his writing is lost when translated to English. This take sounds pretentious...unless his perception comes from the translations of his work in English.No he was speaking about Japanese to English translation generally. People who can only read twitter posts took it as shittalking DQ's translations, but if anything he gave them credit because of how he framed his response.
>>739653443>>739653157>>739652640>>739651974 Horii commented, “When it comes to English, the flavor tends to get lost in many ways. Things inevitably end up sounding simplistic.” As one example, Ishiyama brings up the variety of first-person pronouns available in Japanese – like ore, boku, washi, watashi, etc. While each of these can reflect the speaker’s gender, age and even personality traits, in English, they all become simply “I.” Horii seems to consider the shortcomings of Japanese-to-English localizations a result of inherent differences between the two languages, commenting, “I’ve come to accept that English is a simple language, so there’s no helping it.” On the other hand, he feels that this issue has been somewhat improved with the introduction of voice acting in games, given that voiced lines create extra room to convey a character
>>739650308>there's a growing trend of people preferring accurate translations over massivly altered "flavor" ones.As someone in these discussions, those people exist the same way people really like the idea of having a rich dark roast coffee or a thick pasta sauce.It's purely conceptual and they probably wouldn't notice the difference either way because they aren't actually taking in the works at a level where that matters.Most people are ultimately fine with translation inaccuracies and they only care when it becomes a vehicle to drive argumentative discourse. Big examples are Dragon Ball and Metal Gear, both were known for having massively altered or flawed translations, and nobody gave a shit until like 3-5 years ago. Most people tended to accept things like Goku saying "Hope of the universe" or MGS4's dialogue being incredibly autistic and borderline unintelligible
>could have added more in a way that links DQ1 better to 2 and 3 while expanding on what little the original offered>instead they intentionally short change it so it's easier to work on 2 as the main focus insteadmaking 2 a better game i won't complain about, but it's weird when a fan remake on RPG Maker cared more about messing with the game that started it all, even if filled with stupid fangame-isms
>>739653157>What Japan can convey with stuff like boku/watashi/atashi/ore/etc, English and other languages will have to make up with other word choices here and there to convey the same intent without reaching meme level like Ragnar's heavy text accent or Nimzo's cyrillic shit.Exactly. That's my point. I'm not one of those people who thinks we need literal translations. But what they're doing isn't even an alteration of the original because of differences of language. It's just a straight up rewrite. Which they have admitted to in many interviews. They have to completely change characters personalities or rewrite entire sections of the game to make an accent work. An accent the original creator never gave to the character or intended.But also, having characters talk in a masculine or feminine way (as was Sylvando's gimmick) is perfectly doable in English. Instead they just erased the parts when he was talking in a feminine or masculine way and made them neutral. Which changes his character and impact of his story arc. They also had to change the names and dialogue of a lot of the NPCs he interacts with. Like the guy who pilots the ship is named "Alice Chan" and he speaks in a feminine way. But in English they renamed him "Dave" and made him speak in a more neutral way, with only vague hints that he swings that way. The irony that they were too afraid to have openly bisexual/gay character representation when just a couple years later, tons of localizers were trying to change straight characters into being trans.
>>739649151Closest I can give you is the mystery dungeon game starring young Yangus on PS2, where Torneko helps you a bit. No, it's never been fan-translated.
>>739653591>It's purely conceptual and they probably wouldn't notice the difference either way because they aren't actually taking in the works at a level where that matters.This is true. And it's been proven by Dragon Quest. A common thing people say when the topic of localization comes up is that they got into DQ because of the localization and they wouldn't enjoy DQ without it. But if they've played a lot of DQ games...they have played DQ games without it. Because there's a number of games, especially the GBC/PS1 games and some of the spin offs, where they just have regular English translations. No accents. There's also large areas of the games with accents and stuff where they just drop the accents. It's funny when you play Dragon Quest XI and the second half of act 1, none of the town have accents. They just speak Queen's English. Then you go into Act 2 and some of the NPCs you talked to who had an Italian accent or the mermaids...suddenly the accent is gone for like a whole story chapter. As if they forgot to do it. Then you come back in Act 3 and the accent is back again for those characters. It's hilarious. But few people even noticed.
>>739653808Are you talking about Dragon Quest 1 HD? They added a ton of stuff that connects to the other games. That's it's original gimmick. The original didn't have the crests but now in the remake you collect the crests. And they have both a purpose as well as giving you flashbacks and story about what the hero of III did after their quest was over. What more would you have wanted?
>>739653808>Could have added moreDid you miss/ignore the entire fairy subplot and the sigil quest? Even collecting the legendary gear points you right back to 3.
>>739652497Actually, "localization" in video games has its own meaning, but it has nothing to do with translation. Localization is nothing more than modifying a game to make it more commercially appealing to a market with a different culture. It’s 100% commercial and 0% artistic.It’s literally swapping "ochazuke" for "hamburger", because an American might not understand that "ochazuke" is something you eat, and so they don’t immediately realize that if they choose that option on the menu, it will restore their HP.Or an even more mundane example: replacing "football" in British English with "soccer" in American English.
>>739654456the japanese game would say soccer, football would be the region specific localization
Is this still the best way to play every Dragon Quest game?
>>739655993Yes, with the additional note that you can now play IV DS with party chat through a patch. I don't personally agree with DS for VI but the English patch for the SFC version is kinda fucky iirc.
>>739656130>the English patch for the SFC version is kinda fucky iirc.how fucky are we talking? are the english fan translations for the other SFC DQ games any good?
>>739611492DQXII or I'll kill the fucker below me and then myself
>>739656181DQ1&2 (I think) still has a game breaking bug in DQII, where if you try to revive the Prince during an (optional) story event, the game will get stuck on repeating one line of dialogue and hardlock.The DQI portion is fine, DQIII & V are fine, VI's TL was just unfinished if I recall.
>>739656238Not gonna make me feel bad today, Chen!
>>739656238Show us a video, Chen!
>>739656308>DQ1&2 (I think) still has a game breaking bug in DQII, where if you try to revive the Prince during an (optional) story event, the game will get stuck on repeating one line of dialogue and hardlock.I remember hearing about this for II. Man, why was II so fucky until the HD remake?
>>739656308Oh, that bug was fixed with a newer patch.Unfortunately, it's still a little fuck, just not as severely.
>>739655993DQH not letting you play as any villains is still AIDS. Every good Warriors spinoff lets you do that.
>>739652497Then call them what they are, trannylators.
>>739655993mostly up to date, the HD2D remakes would probably warrant their own blurbs about whats new and different to them (especially DQ1/2), and it's worth mentioning that DQ10 has a pretty robust english fan translation by now>>739656181>>739656308all of them are pretty bad in my experience. SNES DQ3 is kino but i had two different save corrupting bugs on my first playthrough that were definitely only introduced in the patch, DQ2's patch is also way more broken than that, probably wasnt even playtested
>>739656181Plenty of incidental dialogue left untranslated and from what I remember the party status menu can crash the game, but you don't need it so it's not a big deal. Worth it for the excellent aesthetics imo.
>>739656517Wouldn't mind playing Builders 2 Malroth. Or even Buildrick from the first Builders.
>>739656517Heroes 1 had Psaro as an unlockable, he's a postgame boss who joins you after beating him iirc
Never played DQH before, what version is the best? I have a beefy PC so emulation isn't off the table if the PC ports are ass like Pirate Warriors 3 was
>>739657046No problems with the steam versions in my experience, they rarely go on sale though for some reason.The only english console version is PS4, there's PS3 and Switch versions that were Japan only. The Switch version adds Ragnar as a new character but apparently runs very poorly, not sure how it would emulate.
>>739657046I'll echo that the PC version is fine, best I can tell.
>>739653859For whatever retarded reason, the localizers are obsessed with the bull-mask guys having cockney accents and ONLY cockney accents. Even in situations where it doesn't even make any fucking sense, like in DQ3 when characters are literally separated from other regions around the world and places and there is no way for normal ass people to get to them.
When is news
>>739658791in about 9 hours
>>739657576This logic is basically broken by the entirety of Dragon Quest 11. In that game, it's a plot point that everyone in the world speaks the same language, which they learned from the watchers. But yet a bunch of towns have their own accents and speak French, Italian, etc. Makes no sense.Then you go into the sky and the Watchers speak in this broken form of English. The people who taught humans to speak...have trouble speaking their own language. And why don't they speak Olde English since the people of the past, the ones who were taught language by the Watchers, speak like that. It's like the localization team didn't even play the game they were working on...
>>739611492>Dragon QuestWho gives a shit.
