Do people generally like Front Mission 3? Or did they like it when it came out? I'm playing the remake now after having just played the remake of 1 about a month ago and I feel like in all the ways that matter it's a significant step down in design.>story is just as meandering except the characters are all way stupider>customization is far less interesting with every part having nearly identical stats>combat is much more boring with only 4 mechs to control and abilities being entirely RNG, plus constantly losing turns to people getting ejected or fainting
retards creamed themselves over the combatFM2 has an amazing system, but I can't complete either the original or remake due to bugs at the moment. FM just seems like a mid-ass series from playing bits of 1-3 anyhow.
>>739644879You shouldn't be getting ejected or fainted after the first third or so. But, it was an oddity in the series because they were trying to reach the American market and thought it would need some dumbing down.Still, gatecrashing the White House was fun.
>>739644879It seems to be a popular entry, but of the ones I've played I think it's the weakest one.
>>739645423The combat sucks though, you literally just walk to optimal range and attack and anything more interesting than that is up to luck
>>739646457>Firing SquadYou underestimate how entertaining that is.
FM3 has always sucked but it got a pass from most people because it was the first entry they played.
>>739644879>I'm playing the remakeDisgusting.
>>739646618Four mechs is a pitiful firing squad
>>739644879>and abilities being entirely RNG,Stack six copies of ROF Up I in a Normal computer and you'll get multiple activations pretty much every turn.>>739646898>FourAre you sure you played the game, anon?
>>739647015I'm like 15-20 missions in, fighting against the DHZ in I think Taiwan? I just got a fifth squad member but I'm still only allowed to field four people in missions.
>>739646618>Firing Squad
>>739644879>the characters are all way stupiderTo be fair that's only on the sister route
>>739647171Ah. Well, Firing Squad is a skill that makes two other mechs fire at your target as well as your own shot. Make sure you're picking torsos with the highest tier of damage resist (base 15%). Just in case you don't know, when Ryo asked you to come with him at the start, that splits the routes totally. >>739647173Ah, the free laser shot tricks.
>>739647482Is choosing to go with him the route that makes everyone retarded? Because that's what I chose and everyone is retarded.
>>739644879>Front Mission 3 was the first title in the Front Mission series to be released in North America, Europe and Australia.
>>739647663I'm afraid it's all retarded, all the way down. It is the better route, though, the other route is shorter and doesn't really branch. It's also a bit harder.
>>739644879I swear this game taught me that the only move to use is eject punch then to kill the pilot to steal the mech and become unstoppable
How are the FM games as far as srpgs go?
>>739647171The deployment cap stays at 4 the whole game and is one of the reasons why it's so bad.>>739647663The Emma route is WAY more retarded in general.The Alisa route concentrates all the retardation into Kazuki.>>739648267Overall pretty bad. There's only one decent game in the series 4. The rest are mediocre to bad.
>>739648267not great if we're being honest. English patching Shining Force 3 and playing all three parts is a much better use of your time>t. FM enjoyer
>>739644879I liked the part where he punched that women and everyone didn't really call him out on it because he was pretty much in the right.
>>739648267It's your power fantasy srpg where you deploy a small team that wipes whole elite armies. Basically any srpg, really.
I once had to deal with two turrets and three mechs with a single mech with no arms. In killing all of these with a pistol I found the turn counter stops at 99. I should have just restarted.
>>739644879>I'm playing the remakeWeightlessImpactlessTalentlessWorthlessSoulless
>>739648874Complaining that an already shitty game looks worse is missing the forest for the trees.
>>739648954>BlindComplaining it's dark doesn't make you less blind.
>>739648874Did the gameplay change though? Were skills not pure RNG in the original? Were the characters less braindead? Did parts have actually different stats instead of just a different hidden skill that wouldn't trigger across 10+ battles anyway?
>>739649003The remake could look 10x worse than it already does and it'd still be a very minor problem, retard.
>>739649047Skills are basically tied to your mech parts and storage. If you want to consistently trigger one skill, you can do that. If you want to randomly trigger 1 of 10 skills, you can do that too. If you want to randomly use 10 skills at once, that too.It's all in how you build your stuff.>muh characters are braindeadIt's a game retard. Read a book if you want to feel smart.
>>739649003>doubles downDig that grave deeper. Here, have something to drink I needed to piss.
>>739649228It's fundamentally still just random though. I can put four ROFUP1's on Ryogo and still have no control over whether they'll actually do anything (they won't until the enemy has 3hp) which is way less interesting than in 1 where every turn duelist and guide were guaranteed and I got to choose whether I wanted to trade general accuracy for targeted damage.
>>739650904Duel and Guide are command skills. All the other skills have always been RNG.
>>739651241Does 3 have command skills?
>>7396448791 was pretty basic, both story wise and gameplay wise. not bad but it's like the plainest white bread.2 is much better, but the story was even better when the teams were split. after the teams joined it just became kinda generic. also the gameplay is much more improved.4 and 5 are pretty good iirc, but it's been so long, I should replay them sometimes.
>>739651421I don't think so. They come back in 4.
>>739644879That's basically your problem, the remake is bad cashgrab and wil make you fire you emulator again. >>739649047Pure RNG but with more chance to be stunned and ejected and with the stun can last more than 2 turns (2-4 turns), grenade have same damage across all fields, and more RNG against you in skill activation, and as you see in that webm the whole animation is shite
>>739644879I've only played 3 and 4 and vastly preferred 4. Ring of red is better tho.
>>739655012Ring of Red had a much more interesting story and missions but the gameplay is the most insufferable garbage ever put into any kind of SRPG
>>739648874impacts on the remake feel like I'm playing legos with how weak the hits are.
>>739655012>liking Front Fantasy Tactics 4 over 3
>>739644879Most non-japanese started with it so there's a lot of apologists for it but it's all around dogshit and a massive step back from 2, the only good thing about FM3 is Liu
>>739644879I loved this game then and I loved it when I emulated it in like 2021 but I have never played any other front mission to compare it to
>>7396558014 is absolutely better than 3 on pretty much every scale imaginable. 3 is the low point for the series.
>>739656179There's nothing lower than Left Alive
>>739656410Dumb spinoffs don't count.
>>739656050>the only good thing about FM3 is LiuDennis is the only character from either campaign who's not completely retarded.
>>739644879It was generally well liked at the time when it came out because no one had any reference point for it. Kinda similar to how people generally liked FE7 because it was the first to be released outside Japan, but is generally seen as only ok in hindsight considering the mechanical and narrative depth of some previous games. People didn't get to experience the first Front Mission game until the DS remake and that was kinda hard to get a hold of even 15 years ago so I imagine distribution for it was very limited. Diehards played the first game on emulator with a translation patch, but that game had its own limitations due to being very derivative of FE. I'd say 4 is the best mechanically, but it's held back by its presentation. 5 is definitely the best in terms of presentation, but it's held back by frustrating design decisions like AI arena and resistance coating spam as well as its rather lackluster narrative. Kinda sad that if you want a more robust FM mechanical experience you'd need to play the gacha game squenix abandoned and chinks ran with.
>>739658975>5 is definitely the best in terms of presentation, but it's held back by frustrating design decisions like AI arena and resistance coating spam as well as its rather lackluster narrativeMega based.Don't forget that the core mechanics (squad system) takes a bit to get going and then completely collapses in on itself by the end.
>>739648874>the AI upscaled portraits
>>739659614The squad system feels really undercooked. You never need to keep units together long term because new recruits have better skills anyway. The game definitely needed more time in the oven. Some of the boss fights like the helicopter tank were fun, but parts acquisition, battle simulator, arena, squad system, general encounter balance, and the story all needed more revisions. Definitely feels like they were heavily limited and the corporate side had no faith in the game hence the JP only release and lack of revisions.
Square dares to do something that isn't animu waifu Akira Toriyama ball sucking simulator and some fucking faggot calls it "mid-ass"Fucking kill yourselfAnd fuck your (You)And by the way, play the originals on an emulator. The remakes are actual dogshit and completely ruin the artistic direction.
>>739646457That's literally how all TRPGs work, anon. At least Front Mission 1st gives you the chance to control a whole platoon of mechas.
>>739644879I liked it a great deal as a kid, though I haven't replayed it since. The remake is by the same subhumans who did The House of the Dead demake so I'm sure you're getting an absolutely raped experience compared to the original release.
>>739659974>parts acquisition, battle simulator, arenaWhich of these was that endless dungeon thing that was the only way to get the better parts? I realize that that was like an extremely shitty version of the item world mechanic from Disgaea. Which is already a tedious time sink but FM5 managed to make an infinitely worse version of.Still the best FM along with 1DS btw.
>>739660301That's how primitive TRPGs that descend from FE work. TRPGs that are descended from FFT at least give you a more robust decision tree due to abilities and magic. Up until recently, FE games were still stuck in having weapon selection as their most impactful decision aside from positioning when you were actually on the map.>>739660365It's battle simulator. It was especially egregious as multiple part sets were locked to that mode. Genuinely indefensible.
>>739644879Never played 3 or earlier. 4 and 5 are fantastic though. Light in the story and characters (4 is much better in this respect), but very fun.
>>739644879Yeah i liked it. The story is utter nonsense but i enjoyed playing it.I'm not sure if i could play it again today, i'd probably find it too slow and boring.
>>7396448793 is one of the most well regarded RPGs of all time, and everything I've heard about the remake has been awful.
>>739660803*also, it;s a game that benefits from overclocking, coz it has a hell of a lot of slowdown.(ditto chrono cross, and jumping flash)
>>7396603654 is better than 5 and it's not even close.If you're actually a fan of the series you should honestly hate the stupid retcons 5 chucks at you.
I have only really ever played the snes one on emulator, which other ones should i try? I never got more than an hour into the psx one because it looks so bad. I don't like playing 1st gen 3d stuff just because it tends to look like ass and i have no idea why indies try to recreate those floating point problems it had.
2 was the best game along with 4.Also pic related was the other soldier during the Larcus Incident, right?
>>739644879>plays remake slop versions>shits out a stupid postlollmao
>>739655694Worst offender is that pile bunker being used like a shank weapon.
>>739644879Haven't played Front Mission 4 or 5 yet but my ranking for the first three is:FM1(UCS campaign) > FM2 > FM3(DHZ campaign) > FM1(OCU campaign) >>>>> FM3(USN campaign)
>>739664485Haven't played 2 but the rest of that looks accurate. I'd be tempted to switch 1 OCU and 3 DHZ but that's because I can't stand Kazuki.
>>739645423It's only claim to fame is:Mech customization (J)TRPG.That's it. The whole "universe" behind is makes little to no sense once you dig into it a little and the stories are all mostly self-contained while shit pops off between the OSU and USN again.
I've got fond memories of FM3 because it's one of the first burned games I got for my modded PSX and I'd wanted to play the series ever since seeing a preview for the first game years ago in a Nintendo magazine. I remember being mind blown when I realized there was a whole second campaign. I've still got a sheet of paper in a drawer somewhere that's covered in network passwords.It's definitely not the best in the series but it's still a pretty decent game and I think it holds up. The FM remakes are fucking terrible and should be avoided at all costs.I should really get around to playing 2 and the second campaign from 1 (only ever played the fan translated SNES version) one of these days.
>>739648267Not that great: >>739664847If you can get the games for cheap (and/or emulate them) they're fine to go through, but nothing amazing.It's clear with the "remakes" (read: licensed out AI slop) it's Square's abandoned child and will never meet it's potential as a Mech SRPG.
>>739664847>the stories are all mostly self-containedThe reminds me that the schizos that worked on FM5's translation patch spent YEARS trying to convince people that the whole series was one grand interconnected narrative with tons of callbacks and foreshadowing, complete with a central antagonist that shows up in every game.
>>739665058I'm hoping with the (shitty) remakes, we finally get 5 in English "officially", but at the rate these are going, it's going to be like 2030 when FM5 is "remade" and going by FM2 (the other Japanese only release) it'll be fucking Google Translated and make no goddamn sense, to where editing the fucking script to put in the PS2 version probably won't be worth it over the fan translation.
What the FUCK were they thinking with Left Alive though? Now the series is fucking dead.
>>739664753True, true, that's the one I was debating on. The original started off with a pretty bold premise and intrigue for the time. It's the only one of the 3 I've played where the big macguffin superweapon is actually related to wanzers (the main selling point of the series) rather than some generic, interchangeable nuke or AI bullshit. Also FM1's gameplay might have been brain dead and sleep-inducing but FM3's is just offensively shit at times.And FM2 is honestly annoying as fuck to play too, the UI doesn't tell you shit and the load times are atrocious, but when it's good, I can say it is genuinely good. The other two never at a point where you can say they're genuinely good games or anything like that. This whole series seems extremely mid overall but I still find it interesting in spite of that.
>>739661040Who gives a shit about retcons? 5's plot is cool for following Walter's career and thr member berries shit is fine and sometimes cool. Much more importantly its the most fun I had with the actual playing of the game since playing 1 DS.Actually forget all that the best Front Mission is Gun Hazard actually.
>>739664847True. Honestly the first Front Mission offered some unique flavor for taking place on a made-up tropical island, mechs ravaging luxury tropical resorts is honestly a sick premise. The moment the series moved to mundane real-world locations it didn't hit the same.
>>739665725The retcons are so bad they actively make the setting and other games worse. Like Lynn is a shit character, but she only brings down the game she's in, not the whole series.
>>739665553I should probably give 2 another shot. Last time I tried playing it was with the aborted fantranslation over a decade ago.Can you go ahead and tell me if Lloyd/Roid shows up again or was that fanfiction?
I was not expecting the internet in this game to be as robust as it is. .hack eat your heart out
The creators finished with the Front Mission IP. I doubt we'll get anything good except Square Enix decides to wear the corpse's skin once in a while.>USA invading Venezuela 2026, colorized
>>739666217PHILIPPINES SUPER POWER BY 2112
>>739666150Exploring the game's psuedo internet back in y2k was definitely an experience you can't replicate anymore.
>>739658975Wait was Mecharashi an actual Front Mission game at one point?
>one of the beloved FM game>actually it's trash!>FM1/2 were better!What a twist!
>>739666139I played it reading along with the translated script. I've never encountered Lloyd but it might be an optional extra mission or something, I have no clue. If it's real then the script definitely doesn't guide you through it. There is a mandatory part where you meet a fake Lloyd imposter so I don't know if that was the game setting him up to appear for real. So I don't really know but I can confirm that a good part of the FM wiki and fan discussion out there is indeed fanfiction.
>>739666139>>739666726You run into Royd, yeah and its optional. He's a crazy terrorist cus drugs and ptsd or something idk. iirc the translators for the 2 remake didn't know who he was and totally botched his appearance.
>>739645423It has the best mech design
>>739667790I'm 100% betting it's fanfiction, peddled by the same fucks that tried so hard to convince everyone that Franz was really Morgan from 5.
>>739668046Yeah it seems like the old fan translators really wanted to stroke their epeens. Picrel is when he shows up but in japanese he supposedly goes by Crow (like Canyon Crows so it could be a reference) and makes no mention of Glenn. Really bizarre.
