Why do people act like thalmor are the most hecking evil faction in tamriel and just like the nazis when their actually objectivly correct about phisicall world being an imperfect illusion created by a trickster god, and altmer being the closest mortals to divine being all life originated from.>but muh racism and atrocitiesthe empire has racism and atrocities too.
Because they are not humans.Low iq retards automatically take the side of what they self-insert into (regardless of the actual lore), and since they are low iq, they can only enjoy fiction through the perspective of what is literally them (or what they think reflects them).
>>739644924they want to destroy reality and unfortunately i just so happen to live there, so yeah they are the evilest faction the whole series
>>739644924Well, I like the physical world. It's where all my stuff is at.
Aren't they trying to actually blow the planet up?
>>739644924>>739645426Wanting to kill everything to become higher beings is evil and gay, you fucking dumb faggoty retards. Also, they're objectively wrong because if they succeeded they'd just be raped by daedra for all eternity instead of becoming cool angel ghosts.
>>739644924The Empire doesn't have gardens of mutilated screaming flesh-sculptures.
>>739645617you dont actually kmow that, just because some youtubers said so doesnt mean its truth. The dwemer did that possibly by accident and their not getting raped in molag bal hell.
>>739646338maybe they should
>>739646508Ew, derivative.
>>739646338That was the Ayleids not Altmer retard.
>>739646586You're right, but you're still a smelly nigger for being rude.
>>739646414If ending up as dwemers is anywhere near of your margin of error you should stop whatever you are doing
>>739646780why? Because leaving the cursed imperfect false reality you're trapped in is somehow bad?
the Reach belongs to the Forsworn!
>>739644924there is nothing - and I mean NOTHING - faker and gayer than gnosticism
>>739645509>>739644924they're depictions of jews, not nazis lol even if it's coincidental, it's jews
>>739644924you motherfuckerthat kills people
>>739649529dishonest
>>739644924Them being correct about what the world is does not change the fact that they wish to kill everyone.
>>739649529it makes sense but only if you were living in agricultural middle eastern towns over two thousand years ago
>>739649529>Extremely hostile environment>Buh iz purty!
>>739649529No gnostic is trying to kill everyone retard. Unlike most of the cults of abraham they aren't an apocalypse cult.
>>739650160The Sethians were pretty blatantly an apocalypse cult and they manifested a lot of the more edgy "Reality itself is evil and it exists so the demiurge can torture us". The Valentinians were more chill but they were pretty much just Christians with fancy rims.
>>739649529The Thalmor want to rewrite existence where they are the gods.
>>739650160Bro the Manicheans literally taught that eating plants is murder but you can be forgiven if you donate a share of your crop to the Elect. Gnosticism in practice as a societally accepted religion is just guilt tripping the populace for doing normal things that don’t harm anyone while the gnostic religious leadership reaps all the benefit. Humanity has already tried gnosticism and it sucks; it’s why the Romans made your bullshit illegal and killed you morons by the millions before Christianity was ever legalized. When both pagans & christians agree it’s bad, then you know it’s really fucking gay.
>>739650848>gnostic religious leadershipYeah those people worship the demiurge. If you need a "leader" then you legitimately don't fucking get it.
>>739644924They're not trying to destroy the world out of some sense of gnostic duty, they're trying to destroy it because they think it will return them to being perfect immortal spirits swimming in the primordial soup - and if it doesn't, then they'd rather not exist at all. They'd rather destroy all of creation rather than accept the risk of their own imperfection.
If you're an Altmer why not have the option to join the Dominion?
fags pretend they want to unmake reality when there is no in-game evidence that they want to unmake realityepic maymay ex dee
>>739652084Because an altmer Dragonborn clearly isn't altmer enough.
>>739649529There is nothing faker and gayer than desert tribe death cult monotheism (Christianity/Islam/Mormonism) and I would saw your feels guy edit spamming hands off if I met you in real life.
>>739652250Oh hey look, it's the schizophrenia tree.
>>739652242I did admittedly have sex with a LOT of Khajiit and Argonians.
>>739644924They ignore that humans are also Ehlnofey and want to genocide them all. Also their goal won't work, their souls are too weak to exist without Mundus now and if they got their way everyone would dissolve into nothing rather than become gods again.
>>739652583Hey look, it's the popular 2016 buzzword new-to-4chan poster.
>>739652787You're not beating the allegations with a response like this.
>>739652904>2016+ buzzphraseExactly.
>>739652787Schizophrenia is not a buzzword.
>>7396535084chan did not launch in 2016 despite your best efforts to revise history.
while the thalmor want to rewrite creation if they got their way life would still exist in the new world. Humans were created by lorkan who he himself is a fragment of padomay making the plans of humanity and gods like sithis the plans of padomay which is the destruction of all creation. sithis and lorkhan whether they are willing to their own destruction or not are concepts of murder and lies which are both a means to an end
>>739652084because Akatosh and Shor wouldn't like that
Because they are honestly low IQ. They barely understand the realm of the gods, or even the gods themselves, not to mention that there is another realm beyond even the gods that they deeply fear. The Altmer not only do not understand those realities or perceptions, but they fundamentally get it wrong. They also want to reach godhood at the expense of others and guess what, others don't want that nor be erased. They also mention how this reality isn't real, but it is, since it is directly created by another god, and if you go as far back as chim, then that is also real, and so on.
>>739653878Thalmor wanting to unmake reality is not supported by any lore.
>>739653878Humans are a faction of Ehlnofey, et'ada spirits who were made mortal by the creation of Mundus. Mer are also Ehlnofey. The only actual difference is that humans sided with Lorkhan during the Dawn while Mer sided with Akatosh.
>>739649529we're not talking about real life though, we're talking about tes lore where its real and not even up to debate
>>739644924>the physical world is le fake>time to cause as much suffering and death as possible because men aren't real and don't have actual emotions, like mer>it's okay though because going back to being formless spirits will fix everything so none of this really matters okay?
>>739652084becauae skyrim isn't a real RPG
>>739644924They're retarded
>>739654317>corrupt the gods children>constantly trick them into weakening themselves>they just sided with lorkan and became an entirely new species yes
>>739644924How do the Altmer especially the Thalmor cope with humans being much more successful and having the favor of the Divines? Like I know the Thalmor say that they are the ones who ended the Oblivion Crisis but what about all the other shit? I mean the most powerful empires and kingdoms in Tamriel are human ones, and every time the mer do some bullshit they end up getting btfo. I mean the Alessian Rebellion alone must be pretty demoralizing? Not only was she blessed by Akatosh, but she had a demigod warrior who was most likely a Shezarrine, AND the child of Kyne/Kynareth on their side. And that is to say nothing of Reman (REMAN!) and Tiber Septim? Do they just ignore or lie about whatever is inconvenient to their supremacy narrative?
>>739654475>>time to cause as much suffering and death as possible because men aren't real and don't have actual emotions, like merthis never happened, it did happen the other way around with men sperging out and killing random mer who didnt do anything to them.
>>739654709>inb4 the alessia fought the ayylmaoI know, it was just an example of them being favored by the divines.
>>739654703Lorkhan's goal is for someone to reach Amaranth. The original Men believed in that goal, the original Mer did not. Simple as.
Everyone is Elder Scrolls is a racist
>>739654709>Do they just ignore or lie about whatever is inconvenient to their supremacy narrative?o lawd are elves the china of tamri-el?
>>739654793lorkan is literally a trickster god and it doesn't matter if a fool is aware or not of the plans of padomay. His ultimate goal is to absorb creation into himself and the deadra are concept that are not built for creation but the means to the destruction of Anu's attempt at bringing order to the void
>>739655017I'm not here to argue whether Lorkhan was right or if he was evil or whatever. I'm just pointing out that the Thalmor is mistaken in trying to pretend Men 'aren't real' or were created by Lorkhan directly. They are no different from Mer in fundamental being outside of who they allied with at the Dawn, and that hasn't even remained consistent in the years since, look at the Dunmer or the Imperials.
>>739654709>Alessian RebellionAyleids were not Altmer and Altmer actually hated them for being filthy deadra worshipers.I noticed that you "lore expert" that also constantly shill for humans keep thinking ayleids and altmer were the same.
>>739654850yeah, i remember a while ago when i was fighting some nords, lidya called them snowbacks and it cracked me up
>>739655113See>>739654768
Piss Elf apologist. The physical world is rough, but that doesn't make it worth destroying. Either be like men and appreciate it or be like the Dunmer and see it as a challenge. Stop being a little pissy bitch
>>739644924The lack of a cool and objectively nice view on morality kind of sours the world and cosmology of TES for me because I know there's no race whose perspective feel appropriate to root for. Even the human Talos was a total dipshit guy in his life and not worth worshipping
What I would give for this franchise to become a real CRPG.>AGENCY>Real time skill-based combat where attributes mattered>Low level/high lethality>No quest compass, no fast travel, have to read the log book and use your head>Traveling requires managing your resources, food, water/win, sleep, etc.>No level scaling >Proper dialogue options, choice and consequences>proper Thief build, actually having to sneak in the shadows, different sound for terrain, high dynamic range has to be used>Proper A.I./pathfinding>Failure states>actual magic system, where you would have to take a day's rest for your spells to "replenish". And so on.
>>739655620In 10 years somebody is definitely gonna make a KCD TES mod
>>739655136Then its a shit argument when they favoured them against someone who altmer hated more than they ever hated men.
can retarded please lorelets actually play the fucking game and read the damn lore that's actually in the game instead of regurgitating retarded fanfictionthank you
>>739644924How did the top level Thalmor (presumably) figure out theyre in a fake and gay world without either zero summing or getting CHIM?
>>739644924>"Destroy reality? What an exquisitely human panic — you hear one drunken monk babble about metaphysics in a cave, and suddenly every peasant from Skyrim to Cyrodiil clutches his turnips as though the Altmer mean to unmake the sun itself. Mankind will believe any lie, provided it flatters their resentment and paints their betters as monsters; it saves them the humiliation of admitting why Summerset has always stood above them."
>>739655497this was said before in this thread but thalmor wanting to destroy the world is not confirmed in the lore, its just something reddit came up and popularised so much than now the fandom thinks its a real thing in the lore.Their explicit goals are to control tamriel because they see themselves as supperior to other races and think they need to learn from them.That already should be enough to make you hate them so idk why empire shills needed to invent this whole new reason.
>>739655976They don't know about the Godhead, only the existence of Aetherius outside of Mundus.
>>739655992It's Kirkbride's (who worked on Skyrim) elaboration of their end-goal.>B-but that's not official and...Official lore is ESO so nah fuck that.
>>739655880Nah, I will not accept Emil's random middle-of-the-bell-curve written filth as the supercession of all TES lore.
>>739656029But how do they know to destroy the towers to break the merging of Anu and Padomay into the balanced chaos/order realm of Mundus? They must have figured out some real ass shit somehow
>>739650554They want to revert reality back to before the mortal plane of existence, well, existed. That's also why they want to suppress Talos worship as much as possible.
>believing schizo """"""lore""""""If you believe that's canon, then Peniel being a boyfucker who went on a rampage because elves murder-raped his faggot boyfriend is also canon.
>>739656087>t. mindraped emil derangement syndrome victim
>>739656214which in game source explicitly states that?
>>739656296Yeah. I'm not seeing an issue here.
>>739644924I bet you jerk off to the idea of getting butt fucked by emet selch
>>739656387>vaguepost heralding Emil as some paragon of literature*laughs at you in /lit/*
idk my interpretation is, I don't know if they really want to destroy it... after all they still worship the divines and the divines clearly believe in the value of keeping and protecting mundusI think the talos thing is just a very specific schism about keeping Lorkhan out of the pantheon. They DO think what he did is a crime and obviously he's the god of humans, so they simply hate him don't want him worshipped or see him as a legitimate god.
>>739644924They are wrong. The trickster god is right.Only one being can become selfish enough to escape to true reality. Going back to being spirits with the other "gods" is just a comforting lie that doesn't bring you out of falsehood into true self-actualization.
>>739656712jesus christ i'm sorry, i shouldn't have insulted you before, i didn't know you were mentally disabled
>Actually the lore isnt the actuall lore but what a former writer said he would make the lore if he was the sole writer on a forum 10 years after he left over "creative differences" aka not all of his iideas being put into the lore
>>739656736>The trickster god is right.Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.
>>739656841>can only communicate through ad-homsOh no it's new to 4chan and defending Emil of all people LOL
>>739655987
>>739656918Given it's either that or Ithelia, yeah. Seems like a sensible stance.
>>739657072Seen any elves?
>>739656428ESO fag
>>739652250This is easily one of the most cringe reddit posts I've ever seen. Good work I guess
I married the cat thalmor and force her on every thalmor mission with me. She has to kill 100 thalmor a month or I am not happy.
>>739657264he'll see an elf when she gives birth
>>739657324>vaguepost repetitionYou are scared of confrontation and new to 4chan. Embarrassing underage behavior.
>>739656296Oh no a character is gay, I must now disavow everything about the series I like because this triggers chronically online manchildren.
>>739657264
>>739656923Coyote and Raven were always right, and Loki's cleverness saved the gods more often than not.
>>739657234>it's either non-canon or non-canonvery sensible
If you choose to escape with Ralof into Helgen Keep during the tutorial of Skyrim, he unwittingly completes an aurbic ritual through the unbinding of your shackled hands (untying the Prisoner from fate) inside of a Tower (symbolic of the cylindrical wheel, within which all of reality occurs), where a chandelier casts the shadow of an eight-spoked wheel (strengthening the symbology) upon the floor of the same ritual chamber containing a deer head casting the shadow of dragon with spread wings, directly in the middle between the bear emblem of the Stormcloaks and the Imperial sigil.
i hate gnosticism so much bros
>>739657454>Coyote and Raven were always rightThat's post colonial nonsense because natives got apprehensive about giving their traditions any negative qualities, lest a missionary suddenly jump down their throat over it. Coyote tricked people into fighting bears for sport all the time.
>>739657395well the character isn't gay, so you needn't disavow everything about the series you like
>>739655620A couple of those are solved on most requiem modlists
>>739655880yikes
>>739657481>The only thing that's canon is what Bethesda puts in the games!>Except actually the stuff they put into the game I don't like doesn't count!Be consistent in your retardation please. It's one thing to take stuff written by Kirkbride, Goodall, and Rolston out of the games as canon, and it's one thing to only take stuff in official products as canon, but it's another thing entirely to poopoo the former using the justification of the later but at the same time picking and choosing from it.
>>739657551I actually prefer the opinion of the guy who wrote him to the opinion of a Bethesda dick-rider, thanks.
>>739644924>Why do people act like thalmor are the most hecking evil faction in tamriel>It's our destiny to destroy the Towers so we can become gods as a race OR all of Nirn drops into Oblivion gee
>>739657361True son of Skyrim(Elf)
>>739657387>shitting my pants on 4chan is confrontationlol>new to 4chanlmaoDo you think what you're doing is intimidating? I sure hope you aren't truly that pathetic.
>>739655987exactly what Elenwen would say to that schizo nord rambling kek
>>739657671Proof? BTW the redguards destroyed their own world.
>>739657605you can prefer the boyfucking fanfiction version of Pelinal, just don't pretend it's anything more than that
>>739657712The Thalmor believe the Towers are keeping them down because their god got tricked into making mortals.>world.Yokuda was an island nation that sank due to extreme racism.
>>739657769Nah it's canon to my c0da, sorry. You should grow up and stop being triggered about the space robot from the future being gay.
>>739644924You do realize that the player (not the MC, but literally the player) is Lorkhan, right?
>>739657510Kind of makes you wonder why they even made going with Hadvar an option.
>>739656387>>739657324>panties in a twist defending Emil Pagliarulo over the internetROFLMAOThe chink who wrote Starfield and the ESO loremaster are no better.
>>739652250Someone 1000 years from now will do this with companies like Wal-mart and other stores and it would carry the same weight
>>739657820yes i know it's canon to your headcannon, i'm glad we understand each other
>>739656087
>>739657916What are you even on about?
>>739658005Alright Ithelia worshiper.
>>739657671another tard bribging up fanfiction like its real, if anythibg men are going to destroy the towers by accident because they're stupid.
>>739658114>Self-inserts as an elf with jaundice
>>739657671>>It's our destiny to [made up shit]yeah... geecan you believe the shit some people say?
Stupid baka gaijin*slashes you into a thousand pieces*Respect your betters.
>>739658187Why did they abandon Altmer being a Chinese/Japanese fusion race? It would have been awesome.
>>739657605>I actually prefer the opinion of the guy who wrote himSo I guess you're gonna have to accept that Thalmor's goal isnt to destroy the world because kirkbride didn't write them?
>>739658061see>>739657481
>>739657863lorkhan during his time as Pelinal Whitestrake looked up at the sky while leading army against the elves and told akotash "Like when the dream no longer needs its dreamer." this was obviously to mock the fact that humans were given akatosh's blessing to kill his children and akotash has no need to summon the dreamer (the player)
>>739658139>he self inserts instead of creating a character pleb
>>739658284>>739657573
>>739658312I don't roleplay my character in threads on 4chan, anon.
>>739658262Because we have>Dunmer doing the same thing with its own flair>the Akaviri literally being japanesejapanese
>>739658268Kirkbride did work on Skyrim, though.
>>739657573>>739658367it's very consistent because Bethesda didn't make ESO
>>739658268Thalmor wanting to destroy the world is strictly a 4chan meme and supported by zero evidence.
>>739658472It was made by another company under Zenimax and Bethesda themselves have declared ESO canon.
>>739658059Who are you looking forward to writing TES VI?Kuhlmann was let go.Kirkblade wants nothing to do with TES since Kurt is gone.Who else is there writing any form of deep esoteric lore remnant of the earlier rabbit holes?
>>739658308from volume 6 of The Song of Pelinal>And Garid of the men-of-ge once saw such a Madness from afar and maneuvered, after it had abated, to drink together with Pelinal, and he asked what such an affliction felt like, to which Pelinal could only answer, "Like when the dream no longer needs its dreamer."
>>739657863The player mantles Lorkhan
>>739658601Nigger read my first post and then explain to me what you think is going on here?
>>739658510please be consistent in your retardation. is what Bethesda put in the game that's canon, or what they declared?
>>739658710I don't know anon, this is about your opinion. Who is the authority on Bethesda's lore in your view if not Bethesda themselves? If you get to decide instead, why can't someone decide for Kirkbride and other former writers?
>>739658774>>739658710Canon is whatever you like and prefer, some fag throwing dollars around doesnt matter
>>739644924I don't care about their beliefs and how right they are. We are in the way of each other's goals and so we must fight. That's all there is to it
>>739658824And that's the message of c0da. The point is this anon up and down the thread crying about how 'official sources' matter but trying to weasel out of how that counts ESO.
>>739658624pelinal bloodlust for killing elves as described as madness is lorkhan and this sentence confirms that the world is a dream and we the lucid dreamer
What is the 'Numancia' thing from Ithelia anyway? Some other Walking Way?
>>739658262LotR movies washed away orientalism from fantasy in the normalfag collective unconscious
>>739658936Everything from ESO is not canon
Since this is an ES thread: Is Morrowind worth playing?
>>739655693How many Altmer get their own dedicated demigod heroes, blessings which pass on through their bloodline and are reborn in other generations, and a child of a literally god to come down and aid their cause? Stop being obtuse, for fuck sake Martin literally turned into an avatar of Akatosh and btfo Dagon in the middle of the Imperial City.
>>739658824>>739658894michael, just because you're not working for bethesda or officially writing for them any more doesn't mean canon no longer existsfanfiction isn't a bad word or an insult, so you don't have to make up words like "C0DA"
