>learning Japanese isn't necessa-
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Take a look at this combo
>>739663369it literally, objectively means the same thing>man wonders if making [foreign culture thing] can be authentic, or if it'll feel appropriatedthere's just a phrase for it in english unlike Japanese, and yes that phrase has been overused by woketards, but it does apply here, especially as he's using it to doubt himself instead of getting policed by a zealot
>>739663769It changes what was just a thought about if your product is authentic into a political statement. Nobody but political fags use the term "cultural appropriation".
>>739663769>I'm a huge retard and love sucking dicksdon't mind me, just localizing your post
>>739663769>it literally, objectively means the same thingNo it fucking doesn't lmao.Also Japanese curry is better anyways.
>>739663769No it doesn't its completely and factually different. Also the entire localization is fucking atrocious its not just this line.
look how easy this shit is. Im gonna make it.
>>739663874>it's "political" is your IQ over or under 85?
>>739663369It isn't really. I only play American, French or Russian games, and i speak English, French and Russian.
>>739664279Well, you're smart enough that you could easily pick up enough Japanese to know when the english text is fucked.
>>739663369
>>739663369What's the problem with this translation? It means the same thing.
>>739663769>yes that phrase has been overused by woketards,Am I being trolled here? A big part of what localizers claim to offer is to avoid sticking your dick into unnecessary conflict. And the top and bottom have enough informational differences. You lose the fact that he's japanese, and that he's the one making it. Questioning whether it's authentic isn't the fucking same as asking whether it's named correctly. Is there any reason at all to use the localized version over the straight translation?
>>739663369Did this wokalization start at NEO or was it already there in OG?
>>739663969>he doesn't know
>>739663769>but it does apply herekill yourself tranny
>>739663769I see your point, but I don't think you can ignore that "cultural appropriation" de facto signals.
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>>739663757based
>>739663969Where's the "no" at? I want to know the true unfiltered meaning and sentence structure of Boku no Pico.
>>739663369it is objectively not needed thanks to AI
>>739665845の doesn't relate a word to the verb, it's a noun modifier and nominalizes verbs/adjectives
>>739663940100% truthIndian curry is dogshit and thai curry has peanuts in itBoth shit by comparison to the truth that is japanese curry with pork/chicken cutlet
>>739663369To make curry as authentic as an indian you merely need to add shit into it. Maybe a sprinkle of cow shit too.
>>739665865Correct, until they add political shit to the translation AI.
Bonglish curry is superior.
>>739663369I’d like to learn japanese, but is a gaijin like me even worthy of the sacred language of Amaterasu?
>>739666058that's fair, however that is also why i run my own local models for.... uhhh.... well other things besides text translation
>>739665306There's significant text changes, but I don't remember anything specifically woke. Most of the blatant changes deal with how the japanese language deals with naming and familiarity, and how alienated Neku is. I'd keep in mind that both games are VERY hard to translate in general. I mean they translated all those fucking math puns. And while OP's example is a fuckup, it's at least going in the same basic direction as the original text.
>>739666129I can't think of any japanese people who would object. That self hate thing is from somewhere other than japan. Get to the point where you could be a karaoke star.
>>739663369Japanese grammar is so hard, bros>インド人ではない日本人の俺Does の in this case classify 俺 under that ENTIRE phrase that was said before it? This makes my head hurt, I don't know how to think like that or how to discern these things
>>739665865you won't carry AI around with you in your pocket
>>739663369The boys at MSF always cooked up the good shit
>>739666318>Does の in this case classify 俺 under that ENTIRE phrase that was said before it?Yes. Rough translation is "not a indian but a japanese me".>>739666129Most get filtered anyways because English is an easy language in comparison. The Japanese will appreciate it though because a lot of them don't speak English.
TOTAL LOCALIZER DEATH
>>739666318there's actually a slight pause between インド人ではない and 日本人の俺, you don't blurt that shit out in one breath.the 俺 in this case mostly applies to the latter part of the sentence but also to the entire thing but you don't need to explicitly understand that.jap is a hard language to grasp without a proper asian mindset, it helps if you already have another asian language under your belt like chink.
>>739663369it'a a valid translation and a genuine example of "cultural appropriation".
>>739666502you are a genuine example of "a troon".
>>739663369if you haven't learned yet you deserve what you get
>>739663938This got me
>>739666343>connect phone to small local model running on your own pc/home serveryou quite literally can, and not theoretically years from now, you can set this up today with a few youtube tutorials if you know nothing about networking or language models
>>739666502kys
>>739666502Kek based subtle bait
>>739663369It's a decent translation. It retains the meaning, and the doubt the curry shop owner has on his own cuisine because of cultural differences.I wouldn't have put the words "cultural appropriation" though, it doesn't make sense here.6/10
>>739665142It clearly doesn't to the average /v/ tard who thinks the only accurate Japanese translation is one that is a clunky direct word to word translation because the transliterative phrase is one the fags read on twitter once, and retards on both sides have decided that makes it political
>>739666686>I wouldn't have put the words "cultural appropriation" though, it doesn't make sense here.That is literally half the dialogue and you still call that 'decent'?
>>739666702>retards on both sides have decided that makes it politicalOnly one side made it political, and the only reason why the other side join in on the political debate in the first fucking place. Accuracy aside, how fucking hard it is not to fucking insert your own bullshit into the translation?
>>739666752it retains the complete meaning so yeah, it's passable. Far from ideal, but passable.
>>739663369Not only are these literally communicating the exact same thing, the entire point of this quest is that he's WRONG in thinking that. You literally go into his mind and beat up the noise clogging up his brain and when you get back he's like "Fuck it, anything I make is gonna be influenced by who I am, so I should just make what I like as best I can". You genuinely cannot argue that it's "signaling" anything because of this.Of course, knowing that would require you to actually PLAY THE GAME
>>739666809>dude question the authenticity of his curry>not questioning whether it was appropriate for him to make a dish of another country in the first placeThats a massive differences faggot.
>>739666501>there's actually a slight pause between インド人ではない and 日本人の俺Why though?
>>739667286That's a lot of words to display your mental retardation, Anon who somehow missed the entire point (this complaint all about the wording, not the meaning).
>>739667338>>739667486The whole question of "cultural appropriation" is about whether or not it's wrong it's inauthetic or disrespectful for someone to adopt things from a culture they don't belong to.In the context of the quest, this guy is a returning character from TWEWY. In that game, he's a ramen shop owner who has a sidequest where you help him get over his doubts over trendy ramen taking his business. NEO TWEWY takes place after a timeskip, and in that timeskip, it's stated that this guy nearly died of a heart attack thanks to high blood pressure. He visits india, develops a genuine love for curry, then comes back to Japan to reopen his restaurant as a curry place. His mind gets literally infected by the Noise (in-universe monsters that influence people negatively from a higher plane of reality) and he starts questioning whether the curry he makes is going to be too influenced by his tastes as a Jap to be respectful to what he fell in love with in India. The resolution of the quest is that he realizes that his concern is retarded because obviously anything he makes is going to be influenced by his own personal tastes, because he's a Jap and he should be proud of who he is as a person.NEO TWEWY has some genuine translation fuckups but I will never understand why this one has been getting spammed for FIVE FUCKING YEARS when it's one of the examples of the translators genuinely hitting it out of the park.
>>739667286>"Fuck it, anything I make is gonna be influenced by who I am, so I should just make what I like as best I can"You never said he denies the idea that cultural appropriation is real. Cultural appropriation is not real, just like made up genders are not real.
>>739667607See >>739667628
The worst part is that literally no one, not a single human being, uses fringe leftist terms like "cultural appropriation", especially the average middle-aged male which is what's pictured in the OP. At least "sus" or "bruh" gets used by zoomers even if it'll age like shit. There is literally no Japanese equivalent to "cultural appropriation" because Tumblr doesn't exist in Japan and no one takes these mentally ill freaks seriously. Everyone thinks these types are ダサい as fuck.
>>739667628You're a brainrotted retard and I hope you get some help.
>>739667607>he starts questioning whether the curry he makes is going to be too influenced by his tastes as a Jap to be respectful to what he fell in love with in India. The resolution of the quest is that he realizes that his concern is retarded because obviously anything he makes is going to be influenced by his own personal tastes, because he's a Jap and he should be proud of who he is as a person.STILL HAVE FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH 'CULTURAL APPROPRIATION' USE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.You explain and justify nothing about the use of that fucking word. Do you even fucking know what cultural appropriation is in the first fucking place?
>>739667704Do you know what cultural appropriation is? It goes beyond inauthenticity and basically amounts to imaginary copyright law. You would have to be brainrotted and mentally ill to believe in that.
yes I will learn japanese and become japanesejapanese version just says about whether his curry is the real thing. nothing about "cultural appropriation" that's local flavor for westoid brainrot twitter people
>>739665193the world ends with you released in 2007. it is less sticking your dick in a beehive and more a beehive built itself around your dick.
>>739663369>バット・クレジットカード!?
>>739668085AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>739663369There are a million games that are better examples.Every FE after Awakening for instance
>>739663769>it literally, objectively means the same thing>Do you need something dad?>What can I do for you daddy?
>>739668156>After>Not including Awakening>Not before Awakening>Other translations being bad somehow makes this bad translation okay.
>>739663769If by "the same thing" you mean something completely different, then yes.
>>739663369Advice for someone who- Has no one to talk to in Japanese and has shitty internet- Can't read more than a few sentences before getting bored- Has been studying for 8 years and is almost N4
>>739665845Indicates genitive case, generally possessive. Boku no Pico would be the "Pico of Me" or, more idiomatically, "My Pico."
>>739663769trvke
>>739669045If you have no one to talk to and don't like reading it, why do you want to learn the language?
>>739663369>curryhttps://youtu.be/sorZS5RmDCM
>>739663769This would be true if the term was read neutrally. Due to its charged meaning, it shifts the tone of the line from an idle self-deprecating musing to a political statement about Japanese cuisine inauthentically “stealing” from other cultures.
>>739663769Chuddies really didn't like to hear this truth...
>>739666318Yes, it does. Though it's a bit of a mouthful, in English we might word this as "A Japanese guy like me, who isn't Indian...">>739666501Nope, インド人ではない is an attributive phrase that modifies the head noun phrase 日本人の俺. You gotta work on your Japanese grammar, my dude.
Is Indian curry the greatest food on the planet?
I wanted to learn Japanese and do the same job I do now (healthcare) but found out not only would I have to pass a super hard test but I would have to take much lower peasant minimum salary than the UK one I get now and was disappointed, by comparison if I did the same in say USA, Australia or UEA/Saudi Arabia I would actually get a higher salary.Japanese is actually a shit language to learn for money making it's only worth it if you actually love the culture and stuff.
>>739665582Just because it triggers you doesn't mean it signals anything. Fucking hell, it's easier to rustle your feathers than the bluehairs in bluesky. This language policing is insane.
>>739669420>UKmy condolences
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>>739669186It's reading in general that bores me. I used to have people but my family moved away and I've lost contact.
>>739663969Hire proper translators and your translation "problems" disappear instantly.
>>739668987exactly the same
>>739663454FPBP
>>739669045Try running the sentences or material you're learning through AI translation first and then working backwards. You're trying to map Japanese to English, but in order to do that, you have to have some concept of what you're looking at.If I asked you to read >自分の息子を、分不相応な学校に通わせるために、犯罪にまで手を染めて、あげくに、あっけなく事故死。You'd be like, "Uh, that's too hard," but if I told you it meant>For the sake of making their son go to a school beyond their means, they got involved even in crime and, in the end, died a sudden, accidental death.Now, although long, isn't quite as hard to understand. From there, you can begin to understand why the Japanese means what it does.
>>739669739It's missing インド人ではない日本人の俺 and inserted "cultural appropriation," which is neither mentioned nor implied.
>>739663769No, it's not the same thing retard and you admit it in your own post.
>>739663369The literal translation reads like dogshit and is in desperate need of localisation, but the localisation we got is also dogshit and virtue signalling.Something like "Can my curry really be called authentic if I'm not Indian?" or some shit would work better.
>>739670156There's no localization necessary. The only clunky part is that he's describing himself as both "not Indian" and "Japanese." You removing the "Japanese" part and treating it as implied isn't localization.
>Get told to grind Kanji and anki cards and shit>Had to learn the hard way that immersion and learning the vocab is going to help a shitload more in the long runLearning a character to an english word and forced to remember reading is a shit loads harder than learning a word in japanese then finding the associated character for it.I'm glad that I know enough that I can actually participate in localisation threads.
>>739670198>You removing the "Japanese" part and treating it as implied isn't localization.That's literally exactly what it is.
>>739670320You got tricked by the ReTardKs. I'm so sorry for you. Memorizing vocab you encounter through Anki was always the superior method.
>>739670156I used to work as a translator here in my eastern European shithole, back then if I started adding politically charged phrases they would have fired me for being unprofessional. The whole point was to strike the right balance between preserving as much of the original prose while constructing sentences that still flowed naturally in our language.
>>739670368That's just translation. No part of what you did related to the locale. You just made the sentence slightly less literal.
curry is inauthentic if it's eaten with utensils instead of with fingers, and this is why japanese make FAKE curry.
from my experience Indian curry is more Herbal while Japanese curry is more savory and is often paired with meat?
>>739670375To a certain extent, but my understanding of the language soared when I started actually reading shit in a context based sentence. It helped me understand the annoying "same but ever so slightly different" words and how to actually construct a sentence properly. Manga and News articles saved my arse.
>>739670402I changed the literal words to make them sound more natural in the target language. That is the primary purpose of localisation.Stuff like changing sushi to hamburgers etc is a more extreme form of the same overall process.By the rules you're putting forth, the whole "cultural appropriation" spiel also isn't localisation and is just translation.
Reminded of of Trails 'white supremacist' that were used, I kid you not, to describe a group of nationalist that consist of people from multiple ethnic.
>>739667730i agr->using ai summarythe person you are replying to is a faggot and wrong but you still are a bigger faggot than him
>>739667338cultural appropriation is a descriptive term, it contains no inherent value judgment and it is a natural feature of civilizations interacting and it is especially applicable to cooking specifically. It is mainly a culinary term, because the social critique you can derive from it in other contexts is weak and uninteresting and fundamentally collapses towards Baudrillard.
>>739670579Who the fuck care if its AI or not you fucking nigger faggot.
>>739667628>Cultural appropriation is not realBut it is.It's the process of taking something that developed in another culture and adapting it to fit your own culture's tastes and means.Consider the matcha latte, matcha milk tea was not a cultural idea in Japan, it was most likely developed in Vancouver in the 2000s.It's taking an idea from Japanese culture, finely ground green tea powder and adapts it to a different cultural framework. Now the matcha latte has less to do with Japan and is more closely associated with coffeeshop instagram culture than the culture of origin.Food is the space in which "cultural appropriation" is most visible.
>>739670320>Learning a character to an english word and forced to remember reading is a shit loads harder than learning a word in japanese then finding the associated character for it. Anon, every child in Japan manages to learn Japanese. Why would you ever think a method they're not using could work?Obviously learning the language and then learning to read is the correct method.
>>739663369food "appropriation" is the dumbest shit everisn't everything appropriated from the mesopotamians and china? since these are the oldest civs we know that made the most basic dishes (bread,soups, noodles, meat with sauce)a certain way?
>>739670886The entire idea of cultural appropriation as a concept is that this lineal development you are describing isn't happening and dishes are imported without the associated cultural context, which leads to the construction of a new, different cultural context around them.
>>739670586>it contains no inherent value judgmentYou're being disingenuous and you know it. >Appropriation is the act of taking, claiming, or setting aside something for a specific use, often without permissionIt's almost always used with the explicit purpose of debasing white people and insinuating that they are thieves with no culture of their own.
Be honest here, what was the one sentence/kanji/grammatical concept that filtered you?
>>739671058None of them. The "core" grammar isn't that difficult, and the rest of what people like to call "grammar" is actually just vocabulary.
>>739667697Literally everyone I know uses "cultural appropriation". It's a normal word. You're a reactionary weirdo.
>>739670756tell me please wise anon, which culture made dumplings (steamed dough with a filling) first. who´s apporopriating who?
>>739671045Sounds like you're maybe just a little insecure because you genuinely don't know what culture you can call your own.Literally no one would say an Austrian eating Schnitzel is appropriating anything.
>>739670523No, the primary purpose of localization is to make the translation better fit the locale. This would be changing character names, place names, or even food names to better suit the target demographic. It's a broad category, but your proposed translation doesn't really fall under it.Meanwhile "cultural appropriation" isn't a translation at all.
>>739670756>Food is the space in which "cultural appropriation" is most visible.It's not very relevant there, though; unless we're speaking of dishes with a particular relevance within the source culture, there's no harm.A lot of people forget that the counterpart of "cultural appropriation" is "cultural appreciation". The idea is not that you can't ever use anything that didn't originate within your culture. It's just to be a little respectful. A bunch of weeaboos should be able to relate to that concept.
>>739671285Every fucking time with your kind of people.
>>739671058None, just the general syntax is hard to understand. There's a lot of implied concepts in Japanese that require familiarity with the sentence structure to properly interpret.
>>739671379>The square peg fits in every hole!No, you're just a dumb fuck using a rhetorical cudgel as a substitute for genuine argumentation. The problem isn't that I'm "pretending not to understand" anything but rather that you pretend to understand a lot of things that you don't.
Why did NEO TWEWY fail to create a cult hit like the original TWEWY?
>>739671058や否やStill never seen it in the wild. I'm convinced it's fake.
>>739670490I should've worded that better. Memorizing the vocab you encounter when you read in Anki*Reading is obviously the ultimate secret.
>>739671512>否やBecause that's more of an older/traditional dialect. Still gets used more especially in fiction compared to "cultural appropriation" though.
>>739671379How much right-wing rhetoric is deliberate misunderstanding to ascribe hidden motives to their opponents?>I know what you say cultural appropriation is but I know what you SECRETLY mean!>I know you say you disagree with me but I know you're just SECRETLY pretending not to understand me!And you have the audacity of accusing anyone of bad faith
>>739671557It's kind of funny how many traditionally "hard" things have the ultimate secret of>Just do it. Suck until you don't suck anymore.Drawing, writing, learning another language... it's all about doing shit.
>>739663769100%People here are just butthurt by the terminology by claiming that it is political, even though "cultural appropriation" would be a word used by the type of person interested in cooking foreign foods in the first place. Trvd non-Indian conservative chefs would either not cook indian food or not care about the authenticity, progressives would cook Indian and would try to evaluate their accuracy.It is an objectively great localization.
It really depends on what happened.Did the Japanese as a dominant power group take curry and commodify it and erase all cultural context.Or do they just like curry?
>>739671045>It's almost always used with the explicit purpose of debasing white people and insinuating that they are thieves with no culture of their own.Was it written by non-conservatives? Likely so.Does them using "cultural appropriation" mean that they want to murder all white people? No. If you think otherwise, then you are developmentally stunted.
>>739670689Him, clearly. What a stupid post.
>>739671612That's called discipline, and without it, talent is worthless. In fact the entire point of the parable of the talents is everyone has some talent but they're useless if you don't put them to use.
>>739666058Everything is political sweetie. What do you think you're complaining about in the first place.
>>739671789nta but it's funny seeing leftists project their own narrow worldviews onto people who will never use their shitty Tumblr terminology.
>>739671789>If you think otherwise, then you are developmentally stunted.American conservatives are really divorced from reality. It's normalised on 4chan but when you go outside this place and you see some stray American conservatives commenting on things you suddenly see it's a horde of NPC zombies parroting the wildest shit that they all obviously got from the same place. Conservatives in my own country are also weird and dishonest but they're not such brainless drones as this.
>>739663769It doesn't mean the same thing. Jap text means he's worried about the quality of his food and whether he can claim to serve curry when he doesn't have the passed down know-how of how to make it properly. "Cultural appropriation" is a black and white thing where the very act of him trying to make Indian food is morally wrong.
>>739671959>Jap text means he's worried about the quality of his foodThat's not what "authenticity" means>"Cultural appropriation" is a black and white thing where the very act of him trying to make Indian food is morally wrong.False. Why are you pretending to misunderstand these things, making discourse impossible?
>>739671045>You're being disingenuous and you know it. Just because people who don't know what the term means misuse it doesn't mean I'm wrong.>It's almost always used with the explicit purpose of debasing white people and insinuating that they are thieves with no culture of their own.I really don't care what your twitter retards use the term for. It is useful for describing a specific thing that happens and there is no real equivalent term.If you have a concise term to describe "one culture taking something from another culture and reframing it as part of their own culture", let me know. But until you come up with that, we're stuck with "cultural appropriation".
>>739671168see >>739670979dumplings are a lineal development in most cultures.
>>739671446>>739672223Claiming cultural appropriation is neutral is disingenuous when appropriation has a clear negative connotation in this context, and in 99% of cases it is used precisely as I described, to browbeat and belittle a certain group of people.>>739671583I'm not accusing you of secretly implying something, you people do it openly and with malicious intent, but the moment you're called out on it you pretend you're just using neutral language.>>739671789I'm simply fed up with people trying to piss on my back and tell me it's raining.
>>739663769Your Jewish tactics don’t work here.
>>739671368>there's no harmCultural appropriation does not imply harm, unless you order a dish thinking it is X and get something completely different.>A lot of people forget that the counterpart of "cultural appropriation" is "cultural appreciation".That term is a post-hoc rationalization.
>>739672090Since you're being a glib bitch I'll go a step further and say the translation flat out makes no sense. The issues of whether curry by a nonindian can be called curry and whether a nonindian making curry is appropriation are completely different because they start from different premises. Also if we want to go there, the character is Japanese and as such he cannot commit cultural appropriation against the Indians because they're not a culture that historically "dominated" indian culture. Or would you call a french dressing up as a matador a cultural appropriator?
>>739663769jew
>>739672269>in 99% of cases it is used precisely as I described, to browbeat and belittle a certain group of people.Again, that is your own insecurity.And that is not me misunderstanding, pretended or otherwise. >I'm not accusing you of secretly implying something, you people do it openly and with malicious intent,Stop projecting, twat. We can't have a conversation on this if you keep getting so emotional over this.I literally gave you an example: no one, and I do mean absolutely no one, will say an Austrian appropriated Schnitzels. Or that the French appropriated croissants. Or that the Dutch appropriated herring. So what are you actually talking about? Something in your American experience I'm too European to understand? You think your own subjective point of view is universal? That would explain why you think any misunderstanding or disagreement must necessarily arise from the other person maliciously pretending. Get yourself diagnosed for autism, and work on those social skills in group therapy. What *is* "white" culture anyway, Amerifat? Clapping when the plane lands?
>>739672358>The issues of whether curry by a nonindian can be called curry and whether a nonindian making curry is appropriation are completely differentThey're literally the same lmao, the central argument is whether it is appropriate to call his dish curry>Also if we want to go there, the character is Japanese and as such he cannot commit cultural appropriation against the Indians because they're not a culture that historically "dominated" indian culture. That's not really relevant here.
>>739672269>I'm simply fed up with people trying to piss on my back and tell me it's raining.No one is pissing on your back, you are butthurt that a non-conservative wrote it. Instead of just saying/thinking that and leaving it there, all of you thin-skinned idiots try to amass a hate mob by making up ridiculous excuses to persuade centrists into hating it or attacking the author behind it.
>>739664265What is hard for you to understand, is your IQ below 30?
>>739663769An actual localised version would be:"Saar bloody benchod my curry is not shitty enough like rajesh I must be doing the needful"
>>739672269>How dare anyone suggest white Americans have no culture, stealing things from other people and calling them my own is my culture
>>739663769It might mean the same thing if you're ESL.But, if you're an English speaker, familiar with culture around this language, it's an alien phrase nobody would legitimately say, especially not a person like this character who is clearly and older male.In English, it'd be more like a dad joke.>Curry as authentically Indian as I am.
>>739672457>>739672543>playing armchair psychologist accusing others of being "insecure">there's no white culture bro, here are some examples that are completely irrelevant to what you're talking aboutLiterally go on google right now and search for articles giving an example of cultural appropriation, every single one is about white people appropriating non-white culture, here's an example:https://www.rd.com/list/examples-of-cultural-appropriation/The moment it happens the other way around the definition changes to cultural appropriation, because the negative association must remain strictly with white people.Same thing with racism, it's supposed to be neutral, but since white people are victims of racist attacks they have to update the definition so only white people can be racists.
>>739672457>What *is* "white" culture anyway, Amerifat?Mainly French, British and German history and iconography with the addition of a reverence towards classical Mediterranean culture that began around the Reinassance, all passed down by osmosis through various European empires until it became fully globalized pop culture in the US.
>>739672269>Claiming cultural appropriation is neutral is disingenuous when appropriation has a clear negative connotation in this contextIn the context at hand it is a neutral term.
>>739672695No, that's not what "white" culture is.
>>739672668>But, if you're an English speaker, familiar with culture around this language, it's an alien phrase nobody would legitimately say,Maybe you wouldn't, but you're an asocial weirdo, so maybe trust an expert on this
>>739663874>>739663938>>739663940>>739663949>>739665193These posts are a clear demonstration of what happens when retards get so wrapped up in buzzwords that they forget that words/phrases had actual meaning before being wrapped up in emotionally charged bullshit. The phrase, "cultural appropriation," means a piece of culture replicated by a foreigner, often with the connotation of being inauthentic. It fits perfectly in this context.
>>739672757Enlighten us then.
>>739672678>playing armchair psychologist accusing others of being "insecure"Well shit, you only pretended to read our minds. You still haven't given an actual argument beyond "uhhhh it totally happens all the time tho, I deeply feel that it does">every single one is about white people appropriating non-white culture... so where is your own culture?
>>739672782Except making a foreign food as a chef is not that. Curry isn't some holy food that nonjeets do not "get" last time I checked.
>>739672695>French, British and German history and iconography But that'd be French, British and German culturr respectively.They're not the same thing at all.>the addition of a reverence towards classical Mediterranean culture that began around the ReinassanceMaybe learn how to spell Renaissance first. Secondly, you don't seem to understand the historic context around the Renaissance, if you term it "reverence".>various European empiresName them.
>>739663769truke
>>739669727Yes, but to be specific translation isn't localization. It's like comparing psychologists and "person on facebook who calls themself a therapist"There CAN be great localizers, but usually only as a product of already being a great translator with backgrounds in both language cultures so any localization can be done in a way that accurately adapts the original intent. It also unfortunately requires them to be good writers which most localizers aren't or else they'd be writing.
>>739672678>https://www.rd.com/list/examples-of-cultural-appropriation/Could it be that this article written in English for an American audience and focusing on American pop culture from an African-American perspective might be using examples that its audience is familiar with and which are most relevant to it rather than trying to give a comprehensive list spanning the entirety of history across the globe?No, must be white genocideMore square-peggery
>>739672793"white" culture is a new world construct that allowed for old world grievances to be left in the old world, by replacing the dividing line of nationality with simple skin color.It's essentially a naive pan-europeanism (leaving out Italy, Greece and the nordics) that exists only in the form of aesthetics and a vague puritan understanding of the world.
>>739672890Did you even play the fucking questline? Even if you didn't, this guy >>739667607completely laid it out for you like 90 posts ago. Shit nigga, what the fuck are you doing?
>>739672892>They're not the same thing at all.They are the same thing, retard. The cultural baggage of most people was created by the US and based on western Europe folklore. And kindly don't try to school me on the Reinassance or however the fuck you angloids spell it, mutt.
So do chuds think that leftists don't eat curry or somethingLike do they think that eating foreign food is a chud thing to do
>>739673035>based on western Europe folkloreAmerica has its own folklore
>>739663769>>739671649>>739672782With scumbags like this, one technique is to complete the round trip. Translate it back to japanese. Makes it much more obvious on what's missing and what's fucked up.For the junior students here cultural appropriation is most commonly seen as Bunka no touyou or bunkatouyou 盗用. I'm leaving bunka for the junior students. If you dont' know the kanji for that yet, you're not ready for this discussion. 盗用 is quite literally criminal Also, you see them trying to claim pol bullshit, while dodging the question of why the fuck they removed important parts of the original statement.>>739667950Are you even functional in English? Regardless, all the more reason to get it right, because shitty work stays for a long time. >>739667607Are you going to contend that there's a problem with a close translation here? It seems to get the story across fine.
>>739672835>>739672987Go ahead and search in google or any other search engine before you accuse me of cherry picking. Every time examples are given of cultural appropriations it's an accusation against whites, these are from the top results:https://fairygodboss.com/career-topics/cultural-appropriationhttps://ywcaspokane.org/2023-racial-justice-challenge-cultural-appropriation-vs-appreciation/https://helpfulprofessor.com/cultural-appropriation-examples/https://www.cultureally.com/blog/what-is-cultural-appropriationYet you have the chutzpah to pretend to be ignorant of this and claim I'm the one attaching a negative connotation to a neutral term. >... so where is your own culture?Sooner or later the jew reveals his true form.
>>739672782I mean yea but let's not ignore these phrases getting raped by retarded self-hating lefties and brownoids living in resource rich shitholes while losing to countries like Japan.
>>739673151You are an American producing American examples. You're just proving my point.Where IS your culture, though? You said that the idea of "cultural appropriation" exists to imply that white people (white Americans, let's be honest) have no culture. But every example of it that you give genuinely is something that didn't come from white Americans. Are you claiming those are your culture? Are you then not proving them right? Or what are you talking about?>Sooner or later the jew reveals his true form.Sorry, I cannot claim that culture :^)
>>739673035>The cultural baggage of most people was created by the US and based on western Europe folkloreBut here is the key understanding.The people who constructed white, American culture predominantly were not the people who were knowledgeable about their respective cultures, beyond the base understanding. Through intermingling of various groups then, you get what is effectively a mutt, something that has attributes from all parts, but simultaneously lacks the essence of all of them.>And kindly don't try to school me on the ReinassanceYou clearly need it, because you have a lacking understanding of it. What caused it?Why did the Renaissance happen? Do you know?>however the fuck you angloids spell itWhy are you calling me angloid, when I am clearly using the (correct) French spelling?
>>739673176I just tune them out or laugh in the rare occasions I've witnessed them IRL. They have no actual influence to anyone not addicted to twitter
>>739663369fun game that only I played
>>739663369Finally a localization thread Twewy is woke
>>739663940>No it fucking doesn't lmao.nta, but it literally is, just worded slightly pretentiously>Also Japanese curry is better anyways.True but that's not what this discussion or even game quote is about.
>>739673267>white people>white AmericansThose mean the same thing.Europeans are not "white".
>>739673414lol
>>739673309They have enough influence thanks to (((them))) and are why a lot of Western games these days are gay and lame. Also a lot of them are moving to Japan now just to enshittify everything just like back home
>>739667628The whole point is that the guy's concerns are invalid you mouth breathing culture warrior. Go back to your Youtube ragebait, don't come back.
>>739663369the blue hair penis choppers are fucking crazy. completely butchered fire emblem engage translations and refused to translate anything that resembled romance or flirting.
>>739663769that is indeed the purpose of the image
>>739673456"White" is a term developed in north America for the north American cultural context.
I translate ふふ as fufu and not hehe and nobody can stop me
>>739663769The sad thing is they at least got the spirit right, but then used a term that nobody outside of California retards would use in casual conversation. I've seen other localized lines from this game where they did the same thing, like that line referencing the Shibuya 109 that was changed to "supporting capitalism, not on my watch".
>>739673151>Every time examples are given of cultural appropriations it's an accusation against whitesLITERALLY THE OP YOU ABSOLUTE JACKASSAmerica was not part of the dialogue to begin with. The antiwoke crowd is so fucking retarded it almost makes me want to vote blue out of spite.
>>739673572I translate it as kek and it doesn't get more accurate than that
>>739665193>You lose the fact that he's japaneseHasn't played the game award.Go back to asmongold or whatever.Fucking tourists.
>>739671512>到着するや否や、博士はすぐに武器の作成に取り掛かるのだった。Happens in Trails of Coldsteel 3. The "as soon as" sense is somewhat idiomatic, but the logic follows that, whether action A fully completed or not, action B occurred, thus action B occurred as quickly as action A had happened.
>>739663769>anon will looks at this with cum guzzling in his mouth and say this objectively means the same thing
>>739673267>you have to justify yourself in front of me and prove you have culture. Fucking hilarious. Just to sum it up, I said this in my first post:>It's almost always used with the explicit purpose of debasing white people and insinuating that they are thieves with no culture of their own.And I got the following replies:>>How dare anyone suggest white Americans have no culture, stealing things from other people and calling them my own is my culture>... so where is your own culture?Thanks for proving everything I said, couldn't have done it without you guys.
>>739673958>completely different example>literal textbook strawmanthe intelligence... of the culture warrior... i kneel...
>>739673990>you have to justify yourself in front of me and prove you have culture.Like it's hard?My culture is Sinterklaas, windmills, stroopwafels, tulips (although those are, arguably, appropriated), y'know, stuff like that. It's really easy if you actually have a culture.Instead you're just seething that people keep pointing out that all your American pop culture comes from blacks. But your seething doesn't change the facts.
>>739673414But Americans are not "people"
>>739674126>My culture is Sinterklaas, windmills, stroopwafels, tulips (although those are, arguably, appropriated), y'know, stuff like that.That's not really a culture, those are artifacts.Culture is what makes them mean something.
>>739672678No one is denying that it is used by progressive people. They're saying it is accurate to the translation and that it would be appropriately used by a character who makes foreign food outside of his culture.
>>739663769>shitty bait postnot even gonna bother reading it
>>739674283The artifacts imply cultural meaning. But let's keep it simple for our American friend. He already has trouble wrapping his head around the concept of culture.
>>739674356I think describing American culture is quite easy in artifacts, to be honest.
>>739663769this post was like throwing a Molotov into a pig pen
>>739663969that chart is so woefully incomplete it hurts>で can also signal instrument (thing you use to do something) and means (a method, means of transportation, etc.)>で is also the conjunctive counterpart of だ (AでBだ)>に also signals the doer of an action in some sentences (passive voice and verbs of receiving), or the receiver (verbs of giving)>を also signals the place through which something goes with verbs of movement (歩道を歩く)>>739665845の is the genitive. it has a ton of usesyou also have some nouns that take の to work as modifiers
>>739663769Japanese have curries too you fucking white ass nigger
>>739671890>Everything is political sweetie>what it actually means: it has to agree with my leftoid globalist cultural marxist views
So let me guess, no one here actually does fan translations despite seemingly being experts in all aspects of Japanese language?
>>739674126No I don't need to justify myself, notice how all the things you mentioned predate the XX century, but right now you're so deeply immersed in american culture you take it for granted. >>739674469Yet again acting smug and arrogant as if nobody else could possibly see through your jewish pilpul.Like I said, your type always try to piss on other people's back while telling them it's raining.
>>739674653that's more effort than some mspaint scribbles
>>739674469Yet for some reason he just keeps bringing up things invented by black people and then throwing a shitfit about white genocide and Jews (although to be fair if he also excludes Jews that leaves very little "white American" culture LOL)
>>739674517>>で can also signal instrument (thing you use to do something) and means (a method, means of transportation, etc.)Covered be "means">で is also the conjunctive counterpart of だ (AでBだ)Not a particle>>に also signals the doer of an action in some sentences (passive voice and verbs of receiving), or the receiver (verbs of giving)Fair>>を also signals the place through which something goes with verbs of movement (歩道を歩く)Obscure
>>739674561>you fucking racist bigot, how dare you refuse to partake in other cultures' traditions!>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T ADOPT OTHER CULTURES' TRADITIONS AND CUISINE, THAT'S CULTURAL APPROPRIATION RRRRREEEEEEEEE. ONLY THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE THEIR TRADITIONSyou know full well you can't win aganst these leftoid loonies. they're more racist than the spanish conquistadors, just like trannies, who bitch about gender roles and then proceed to chop boys' dicks off if they play with barbie dolls
>>739674663>notice how all the things you mentioned predate the XX centuryI'm going to blow your mind: the university I attended predates your countryAlso I'm pretty sure the other guy is defending you. See, you really are very insecure about this.
>>739674663>Yet again acting smug and arrogant as if nobody else could possibly see through your jewish pilpul. Why don't you just name some American culture? How hard can it be?
>>739674721nta but blacks don't invent, they only destroy>b-but the tiktok brainrot zoomer termslol
>>739674753>Pretending to misunderstand, making discourse impossibleWhy do rightoids always do this
>>739674804Blacks invented "based" and "woke", you can't pretend they weren't foundational to our board culture
>>739674761I misquoted, the post, it happens I meant to quote you here >>739674356Enjoy your "victory">I'm going to blow your mind: the university I attended predates your countryI'm going to blow your mind, you didn't disprove shit, you're here on an American website arguing in English. Like I said: >right now you're so deeply immersed in american culture you take it for granted.
>>739674730>で is not a particlethe fuck are you talking about? で is a 接続助詞(conunctive particle) and a 格助詞(case-marking particle)>Obscurenow you're taking the piss holy shit
>>739674812I know what you're doing leftist trannoid
>>739674850so when are they going to invent actual things?
>>739674856>you're here on an American website arguing in English.Are you aware that you didn't come up with English eitherI guess your culture is just being confidently wrong about things
>>739674918I'm pointing out what you are objectively doing, which makes you a bad faith hypocrite, yes.But you're pretending to misunderstand that, too.
>>739674561That's... Not a counter argument to OP or the person you're replying to. Could you be mentally retarded by chance?>>739674753>Arguing against things people didn't even say, making two contradictory arguments and insisting they're the same personneoconservative hood classic
>>739663369>learning Japanese to play a gameplay-focused videogameNo way Hose Ay>learning Japanese to read 70 hour long JRPGsYeah fair. I think you should do that. Idk, not into 'em.
>>739672782"Not authentic" is not a synonym for "cultural appropriation", you gay nigger.
>>739675085So far the only people claiming this turned out to have a very poor understanding of the term informed by a shitload of irrelevant baggageSometimes, the reason you are mad is within yourself
>>739674963>Are you aware that you didn't come up with English eitherExactly the reply I expected to see, yet again thinking you're oh so clever.So, are you now going to claim that the reason English became the dominant language of Business and international communication after WWII is because of the UK and not the US?Let's see how dishonest you can get, jew.
Guys, stop engaging with leftist struggle sessions. He explicitly phrases his posts in a way that you feel the need to respond and clarify. He will always shift it again to keep you engaged.
>>739672782"Cultural appropriation" is and always has been leftist drivel spouted exclusively at white and Japanese people.
>>739674997yawn, don't you have anything fresher than pic related leftoid trannycuck?>>739675030>leftoid trannycuck pretends not to know what cognitive dissonance isleast disingenuous leftoid
>>739674856>English is American cultureHow about UK based retard?>On American boardMade possible by Europeans (Arpanet was simply basic military messaging application, HTLM/HTTP/URLs ie basic fucking building blocks of Internet are European)To use a comparison an American can understand: sure, you prototyped exploding stuff in a chamber to move something, but Europe made it into a car (applied this barebones development to make something useful to everyone). Just because you did something trivial like slapped seat warmers on it later doesnt mean its american
>>739667607>I will never understand why this one has been getting spammed for FIVE FUCKING YEARSautism. Some Barry clone found this on some spreg anti-localization forum, so he uses it to discredit the game
>>739675158Can you stop being an incel bigot for 5 seconds?
>>739675140This is why mutts barely create anything btw, or if they do it's shit. just constantly arguing over the most menial shit while making things worse with shitty translations. If white and east asian people realized the only value these brown countries have is exploitation and slave labor we would be living in a better world.
>>739674884Nope, the で he is talking about, which is the conjunctive form of だ, is not a particle. It is neither 接続助詞 or 格助詞.>now you're taking the piss holy shitI'm happy you knew about it, but that doesn't negate the fact that it's a rarely used sense of the particle.
>>739675184it's either op's or the capitalism one. the thread has more examples but they don't bait as well.
>>739675125What does any of this have to do with cultural appropriation tho, or your lack of culture outside of that? I feel like we're getting a bit sidetracked. Gee, I can't imagine why you're eager to get away from the original topic!Also, I love that an American is denigrating a white European with an actual cultural heritage because he can't defend his own.>uhhh it's not that my neural pathways are clogged by burger grease... you're... JewishI'm Dutch, I'm whiter than you, I have a real culture that you are denying here, and you are butthurt af about it qq moar bitch nigga
>>739675169Amazing, you're now accusing me of accusing you of what I am doing, which is what you are doing. Very meta.The idea that you can just reference a tweet and so avoid any accountability for your own words is such a show of good faith, too
>>739667607it's funny how you're pretending anyone cares about context when all they care about is the use of a trigger term
>>739675158>at white and Japanese people.>Japanese peopleSo it would make sense for one of them to worry about it?
>>739663369Try protesting this shit for once instead of crawling into your silly “antiwoke” grief holes and coping with muh learning Japanese. These incursions are informing decisions made by the original writers, and it’s only going to get worse.
>>739663769It's the Americans who never learned a 2nd language so they think that it's correct to translate everything literally word by word.
>>739667607Cultural appropriation is about whether or not one has stolen the food of another culture. His concern is whether or not he can truly make authentic curry (that is, curry which rivals that of India). The noise is causing him to doubt his skill, not feel guilt over his theft.This is obvious to anyone with a 4th grade reading level btw
>>739675316Ah, so that's why rightoids always accuse us of pretending not to understand them. We give them the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith.
>>739675353What are you doing about it? Insulting people that are hiding from it?
>>739675426I'm fluent in Japanese but I still think the translation is retarded.
>>739675426Says the guy who doesn't know Japanese lol
>>739675174>How about UK based retard?The UK hasn't been culturally relevant for decades, whatever relevancy they still had in the 60s petered out by the turn of the XX century. It was American trade, culture and soft power during the Cold War that turned English the lingua franca of the world, even more so with the advent of the Internet. >>739675262>I may not have produced anything of cultural significance in this century, I may may be neck deep in products from your companies, using your inventions, consuming your entertainment, eating your fast food, using the language you popularised to insult you, but you have no culture of your own!
neo twewy was a garbage game and I'm tired of pretending otherwise
>>739667607>The whole question of "cultural appropriation" is about whether or not it's wrong it's inauthetic or disrespectful for someone to adopt things from a culture they don't belong to.Find me an example of a leftist accusing a brown or black of committing cultural appropration.
>>739675431>The noise is causing him to doubt his skill, not feel guilt over his theft.TL note for people that don't play games: "noise" refers to the red aura in the image
>>739675431>The noise is causing him to doubt his skill, not feel guilt over his theft.No, he specifically references his own Japanese-ness, contrasting it with being Indian. He worries that he may be inherently incapable of ever considering his curry "authentic" due to that, not a lack of skill.
>>739675310>can't refute a picture from years ago>xir keeps pretending not to understand what xe's doinglol. lmao even
>>739663769I'm with you anon. 4chan and the right in general is full of pearl clutching retards who cry woke at everything. It's conditioning.
>IP about being open to others' views and opinions>Has seething closed-off incels crying about the use of "lefty" languageoh lord
>>739675491You have no idea how much of your tech relies on Dutch inventions, or how much of your culture is derived from mine, even how many Dutch loan words American English has. You'll always be a secondary, and you'll always be insecure about that. Enjoy your "fast food"; I've got a food culture beyond that.
>>739675589you're the leftoid piece of shit that keeps injecting cultural marxist terminology into games and then bitching when people point it outyou're the real bigots
>>739675552No, he worries if his being Japanese affects his ability or skill to properly replicate the curry from India. 本物 is a word used to show quality of craftsmanship, as opposed to something fake or spurious, which would be 偽物. He is not concerned with whether his act of making curry constitutes the theft of another person's culture.
I've got my values...so you can keep yours, alright?
>>739675589>others' views and opinions should directly change the words in your mouthTypical leftist nazi rhetoric.
>>739675560>Doubling down on doing what you accuse others of doing and pretending not to understandAnd you can't seem to refute that in any way :^)The thing is you people just bring up this dumb tweet regardless of any context. I'm not misunderstanding anything. I'm also not pretending to. There is no semblance of a misunderstanding here.You people, though? You do it all the time. It's literally all projection, like virtually everything you do. This entire thread is predication on the deliberate misunderstanding of the term "cultural appropriation" and in fact stubbornly maintaining your misunderstanding even after having it explained to you several times, because of course you don't really misunderstand it.
>>739673958>still crying about adlibbing in a show he doesn't watch
>>739675560Leftists have never and will never leave anyone or anything alone. They exist purely to destroy high-trust, prosperous, clean societies and replace them with barbaric third world authoritarianism. It's why they adore Islam.
>>739675712>No, he worries if his being Japanese affects his ability or skill to properly replicate the curry from India"Ability" is more appropriate than "skill" here because skill is not the issue. The issue is entirely whether a Japanese person, regardless of skill, has the ability to make truly authentic Indian curry, due to the Indian-ness of the dish vs. the Japanese-ness of the cook. That is the central conflict being expressed.
>>739675426>le can't translate word for word strawman
>>739675698you didn't actually play this game, did you?
>>739675891M8 you ARE the barbaric third world authoritarianism, no we don't like you
>>739675925It's only the most important question in translation since Martin Luther but I guess if Anon calls it a "strawman" in a greentext then that's that settled
>>739665845の basically means 'of'>Pico of MineYou could say it means " 's " in this case, but that's a lot less flexible.
>>739675973Leftists praise and defend mass immigration from third world hellholes every minute of every day.
>>739676010stop deing disingenuous. No one is asking japanese to be translated word for word, like you claimed
>>739676093You're just trying to translate around the fact that English no longer has a true genitive case
>>739676097You are actively working to make first world countries into third world hellholes. I know refugees I'd happily trade for you. They are much better adapted to our society and much more in line with our values.
>>739675918Skill is entirely the issue, hence his concern. He is not facing a moral dilemma, but one of self-confidence. The Noise has lead him to believe that he will never be good enough to make real, authentic curry.That's where the Japanese phrasing makes this a lot more clear. If it were a moral concern, you'd probably see him say something like >インド人じゃない俺が作るものを果たしてカレーと呼んでいいものだろうかNotice in the original phrasing, there's no moral element invoked, so his concern rests entirely with his skill as a chef.
>>739675925you have all kinds of strawmenyou need to make adjustments to text to get it to work (e.g. you can't just translate Xさんは私にとって貴重な存在 literally as "X-san is a precious existence to me"). there are established conventions and shit, but it's not a mechanical 1:1 work (if the resulting work is unappealing, the game won't sell)the fallacy lies in deviating deliberately to inject an agenda and pretending they're necessary (and in accusing others of doing so when they aren't), basically abusing plausible deniability
>>739676187>I know refugees I'd happily trade for you.Yeah no shit, your entire religion is based around hatred of whites and feverish worship of blacks and browns.
>>739675491>anything of cultural significance in this centuryThe Netherlands have produced plenty of things of cultural significance in both this century and the last.>neck deep in products from your companies>sing your inventionsWhich ones?>consuming your entertainmentAmerican ZOGslop? No, thanks.>eating your fast foodwho even eats burgers>the language you popularised to insult youEnglish was already a lingua franca long before the first world war.
Am I culturally appropriating when I shit on the street?
>>739676187>in line with our values.I imagine criminals who live on welfare have quite a lot in common with the average leftist, yes.
>>739676340yea
>>739676194You misunderstand the whole issue. It is not that he thinks Japanese people are inherently less skilled than Indian people. He would not invoke authenticity or ethnicity if the issue was skill. It's true that he doubts his ability to make authentic curry; but you fail to grasp why.
>>739676350are the criminals on welfare in the room with us right now?
>>739663769The spirit of the statement is the same, but it is still bad localization.>This guy is educated enough on political matters to even know the phrase 'Cultural Appropriation' (not like everyone knows that)>This guy is educated enough to know it, and generally agrees with the sentiment enough to willingly apply it to himself>Seems to be an older man, really making it unclear why he knows this phrasing and uses it>It is an inherently political term even if it has a literal meaning and it gives the entire conversation a different connotation and toneThe upper panel is self doubt. It is him not being sure if what he is doing is right and he is expressing it in an organic way that makes sense.The bottom panel comes across way more like guilt than it does self doubt. It is the same sentiment, but 'cultural appropriation' is a much more charged word.
>>739676428Yeah because leftist retards advocate taking the door off the hinges.
>>739676340you'll have to cope with the fact your shit will always have a bit of you in it
>>739676267I also know plenty of white people I'd gladly keep.It's just the ones who act like barbaric third world authoritarians I could do without. Why deport them only if they're brown? Bunch of jobless rapist wife beaters complaining about brown people coming to take their jobs and women. You're just scared of the competition, I think.
>>739676415nta but what the fuck are you even saying you fucking retard.>It is not that he thinks Japanese people are inherently less skilled than Indian people.Like where the fuck does this even come from lmao.Holy shit imagine being this retarded.
>>739676428Yes, one of them posted >>739676350 for one
>>739676415No, the Japanese makes it quite clear that his lack of confidence is birthed from his insecurity in his identity. He's been tricked into thinking Japanese people are somehow inherently unable to make real curry, the same way a white person might not feel he can play basketball the way a black man can.Again, his wording shows that he is not concerned over thievery. It would have to be different in Japanese to communicate a sentiment like that.
>>739676501>It's just the ones who act like barbaric third world authoritarians I could do withoutWhy are you so Islamophobic?
>>739676443>really making it unclear why he knows this phrasing and uses itI can think of one but it requires having played the game
>>739676501>I also know plenty of white people I'd gladly keep.You mean the ones like you who hate their own race and worship blacks and browns?
>>739675665>You'll always be a secondary, and you'll always be insecure about that.Textbook projection, you're living in an American world and lashing out by using jewish myths and tropes to attack white people. >>739676275>English was already a lingua franca long before the first world war.You are now resorting to straight up lies. French was the language of diplomacy and international trade before English overtook it, thanks to American influence, not British.If somehow history played out differently and Brazil become one of the world's only two superpowers, then the only one, and we all lived steeped in Brazilian culture having this conversation in Portuguese, would you still give credit to Portugal? It seems Europeans are incapable of saying anything positive about the US ever, in any context, it's hilarious.
>>739676443>This guy is educated enough on political matters to even know the phrase 'Cultural Appropriation' (not like everyone knows that)Why not, this whole board knows it and /v/ is hardly educated on the topic
>>739675121Not authentic = worse in qualityCultural appropriation = immitation that insults the original
All leftists are communists and there is a famous saying about good communists.
>>739676501>Bunch of jobless rapist wife beaters complaining about brown people coming to take their jobsWhy are they complaining about losing jobs they don't have, dumbfuck?
>>739676529>Like where the fuck does this even come from lmao.Yeah, that's the point, idiot. That's what the other guy is implying to be the source of his insecurity.>>739676556>No, the Japanese makes it quite clear that his lack of confidence is birthed from his insecurity in his identity.So you agree. It's not a matter of skill at all. >Again, his wording shows that he is not concerned over thievery.Maybe the real problem is with your understanding of cultural appropriation.
>>739676619You think that describes all of them except those who actively hate blacks and browns and tell everyone about it 24/7So yes
>>739676736>That's what the other guy is implying to be the source of his insecurity....No? You talk like English isn't your first language but I'm going to bet it's your only language too. Genuinely fucking retarded.
>>739676631>American accusing anyone of being influenced by Jewslmao Why would I be attacking "white people". Do you know who the Dutch are? I'm attacking an ignorant and insecure American who insists on the richness of his culture yet can barely name anything beyond McDonald's and black music. And who is incidentally less white than I am.
>>739676781Blacks and browns are the most racist people on earth.
>>739663769propriate>Latin propriatus, past participle of propriare to make one's own, from proprius own, particular appropriate>especially suitable or compatible : fitting>>an appropriate response>1 to take exclusive possession of : annex>>No one should appropriate a common benefit.>2 to set apart for or assign to a particular purpose or use>>appropriate money for a research program>3 to take or make use of without authority or right>>natural habitats that have been appropriated for human useDamn, literally every usage of appropriate in this context is "Theft" to the point that whoever wrote these examples thinks humans stole the planet from nature.This word should be put in the bin and only used when asking if something is appropriate, not if someone is appropriating.OP's example is clearly tainted before it even got to the localiser because the Nip was questioning if ethnic food can feel like ethnic food if a different person makes it.
>>739676654>Not authentic = worse in qualityOnly if authenticity is considered a hallmark of quality.>Cultural appropriation = immitation that insults the originalWhich, if authenticity is a hallmark of quality, would be due to its lesser quality.
>>739676845>...No?Yes. He keeps bringing up "skill" and ignoring the cultural framing.>You talk like English isn't your first languageBecause I can formulate complex sentences?>but I'm going to bet it's your only language tooJe mag nog een keer raden.
>>739676905And you seek to emulate them, is that it?
>>739676631>French was the language of diplomacy and international trade before English overtook iteven then it depended on where you were
>>739677019>Because I can formulate complex sentences?Holy fuck you're an actual retard lmao. Just from how you talk I can guarantee you don't speak a lick of Japanese. I'm glad English is a containment for retards like you, ciao.
>>739676736Cultural appropriation is the theft of one person's culture by another people. He is not wondering if it's morally wrong for him to make curry as a Japanese person. He's concerned if it will ever be considered good enough to be called the real deal.
Will MTL ever getting improve
>>739677106>Just from how you talk I can guarantee you don't speak a lick of Japanese.I was unaware that learning Japanese is supposed to impact my ability to speak English.>I'm glad English is a containment for retards like youSo you're deliberately bad at reading English in order to avoid the English-speaking world, is that it?
>>739676631>It seems Europeans are incapable of saying anything positive about the US ever, in any context, it's hilarious.There are plenty of positive things to say about the US. There is just no utility in doing so, when it makes you so mad.>If somehow history played out differently and Brazil become one of the world's only two superpowersIs this your American education system at work? History doesn't really operate on a pick and choose model.>we all lived steeped in Brazilian cultureWhat American culture do I lived steeped in right now?I am genuinely curious.
>>739677061In this one, specific instance, yes. White people are the least tribalistic people on Earth and it's destroying them. White liberals/leftist (You) are the only subset of people on Earth with an outgroup preference.
>>739677179Will your English? lol
>>739677179>looking at a gallery's tags on nh
>>739676556>He's been tricked into thinking Japanese people are somehow inherently unable to make real curryNo, he (correctly) believes that his Japabese taste, the cultural understanding of cooking he's spent most of his life in is different from "authentic" indian taste.>the same way a white person might not feel he can play basketball the way a black man can. The best basketball players are Europeans, precisely because blacks suck at basketball.
Cultural appropriation is a retarded concept.
>>739663769It doesn't matter if it's grammatically correct, the fact is that no person who isn't a deranged blue-haired troon would ever ask themselves that question.
>>739677179We're already there, bro>Gemini:>爆乳: Huge breasts>巨乳: Giant breasts>美乳: Beautiful breasts>貧乳: Meager breasts>無乳: No breasts
>>739677367Everything leftists come up with is just an avenue to attack whites
>>739677169>Cultural appropriation is the theft of one person's culture by another people.That's your framing, not an objective definition. >He's concerned if it will ever be considered good enough to be called the real deal.This is also an assumption beyond what is implied. The fact that he is contrasting his efforts with "the real deal", which is authentically Indian, shows that his insecurity is rooted in the question of whether a Japanese person can make authentic curry at all. Skill is not necessarily the main concern. He's not worried that he lacks the skill to make Indian curry. He's worried that, in spite of that, his being Japanese prevents it from being authentic. You can say he's "worried that it's not good enough" but both the way the problem is posed and the resolution imply that was never the real issue.
>>739677367see >>739670756It is a perfectly reasonable concept, if you understand it.
>>739663369Could a misleading translation to push forward your beliefs, regardless of the original meaning of the text, be a form of appropriation? Like you're appropriating a work that is not yours, and adding something that wasn't in it originally.
>>739677475Appropriation, yes. Cultural appropriation? No.
>>739677368>It doesn't matter if it's grammatically correctWasn't even in question
>>739677079>English was more popular than French within the British EmpireYeah, no shit. French on the other hand was truly international prior to WWII, beyond just their colonies. Why do you thin passports 100 years ago were issued in French, as recommended by the League Of Nations?>>739677231>History doesn't really operate on a pick and choose model.I'm giving you a thought experiment you insufferable faggot, to prove my point you are literally incapable of acknowledging that something as basic as the language we're arguing became universal because of the United States.Yet again you're proving my point that all you can do is pretend not to understand. >What American culture do I lived steeped in right now?>I am genuinely curious.ditto
>>739677424Everything feels like an attack when you're a dumb hick with no accomplishments to call your own.
>>739663369All we have to do is hang the trannylocalizers
>>739677367No, it's actually based as all hell. Literally evolution for culture. Japanese video games are cultural appropriation. Most great food is cultural appropriation. Chess got stolen and refined dozens of times before ending up as the game it is today. Taking something your neighbor is doing and doing it better is one of humanity's greatest achievements, and anyone who says it's a bad thing should be beaten to death.
>>739677426That's not my framing. That's actually what it means. It's cultural theft in the purest sense of the word.No, I can assure you he is not concerned if his making curry means he's stealing the culture from the people of India. He is purely concerned with his skill as a chef and his ability to make it properly.
>>739675350No, you disengenuous nigger. Japanese people had no idea about any of the bullshit going on in the west until X started translating shit, come to find out they're already sick of leftists. None of them are losing any sleep over "cultural appropriation."
>>739677573>I'm giving you a thought experimentpit in the effort to make a decent one, then.
>>739677597>>739675542
>>739677515aww shucks. I thought I had something
>>739677573So, where is the American culture?Is pretending to be retarded to make other people mad American culture?In that case, you got me.
>>739663369this image unironically shows how localization is necessary, because people who speak english are fuckign retarded and are slaves to their cultural lens. you can't translate nakama to comrade for this reason as well. speaking words isnt woke, 4chan after 2016 is full of retards
>>739677740This very thread is American culture you faggot. Nobody would be having this convo in my country.
>>739677820most cultures have developed shitposting independently.
>>739677656>That's not my framing. That's actually what it means. It's cultural theft in the purest sense of the word.Then why isn't it called "cultural theft"? You can't really use terms like that when dealing with intangible concepts. What makes it "theft"? >No, I can assure you he is not concerned if his making curry means he's stealing the culture from the people of India. He is purely concerned with his skill as a chef and his ability to make it properly.False dichotomy. He's not concerned with "theft" but that does not mean that his main concern is not with whether or not it is appropriate for him to make as a Japanese person. And if you need to read "cultural appropriation" for that to be clear then that is the better translation. The reason I say this is because he firstly brings it up, and because the situation is resolved by him embracing the notion that it doesn't have to be authentic to be good, rather than becoming more skilled.
>>739675542>Find me an example of a leftist accusing a brown or black of committing cultural appropration.You won't of course. It suddenly becomes cultural appreciation when they do it.It's plain to see by everyone, but somehow we need to go around in circles arguing within the framing constructed by jews where white culture doesn't exist and if it does it's all stolen from PoCs.It's all so tiresome.
>>739678015Hey, remember when you accused me of being a Jew?I literally gave you several examples of genuine white culture. You lack them because you're American, not because you're white. It's not my fault you left all that behind because you preferred to take things from blacks.
>>739677905What makes it appropriation? You seem to think culture can't be stolen through tangible elements like food. He's not asking if it's appropriate or not for him to make curry. That was invented by the translator. He's simply asking if the curry he makes is authentic. 本物 being used here as a measure of quality. That's why this can't be misinterpreted as a moral concern.
>>739663769>it literally, objectively means the same thingNo it doesn't, the top is him being worried his curry won't be as good as indian curry all Japanese curry is superior simply because there's no fecal matter mixed in. The bottom is him being worried if he's "stealing" from another ethnic group, which is very american-left coded, often used to attack people and attempt to control what kind of things they're allowed to do on an emotional or moral groundpoint.
>>739663769dogpiling to give this anon more anxiety over his retarded opinion
>>739666686>I wouldn't have put the words "cultural appropriation" though, it doesn't make sense here.Yes, that's the entire reason why people don't like the translation. Entire game's translation is full of this americanized idpol crap when the original text doesn't have any of it.
>>739663769>or if it'll feel appropriatedDid you think we wouldn't notice this?
>>739678142the leftoids living in the most oppressed country on the planet (US and canada) want to convince you that only indians can make curry so they can import them en masse
>>739675169>highest concentration possible of adhominem in the English languagexdThese are your politically competent intellectuals ladies and gentlemen.
>>739669727I know nothing of Japanese, and I'm not trying to say this guy is wrong here, but I don't really understand his third bullet point.Isn't IF:THEN already heavily implied and basically omitted in his translation of it?Something like "If we invade Castle Doma now, then it would only result in many needless casualties."I don't really get how that is any more rigid than his translation.
>>739678326I think it goes even deeper than that. They want you to be deprived of any sense of national identity. "You stole everything, white man: land, food, and culture." It's just designed to morally demotivate you.
>>739678015I'll give you an example:Most of Japanese culture is appropriated from Europeans.Castella is a variation on Pao de Lo, portuguese food.Tenpura is peixinhos da horta, portuguese foodRamen is an early 20th century derivative of chinese noodle dishesThe uniforms they wear at school are appropriated from western naval uniforms
>>739663940>>739665981>Also Japanese curry is better anyways.They have extremely different flavor profiles, based retard. You can't compare two different foods like that.
>>739667607>The whole question of "cultural appropriation" is about whether or not it's wrong it's inauthetic or disrespectful for someone to adopt things from a culture they don't belong to.No the whole "question" is that there was nothing in the Japanese text pertaining to appropriation of any kind whatsoever and that it's only the English localization that slapped it on there to continue pushing a political rhetoric that is only used as a form of DARVO and has long since become tired out, to the point that even twitter users no longer talk about it.
>>739678473I don't care, Japanese curry is superior.
>>739678142Appropriation is not theft, it's appropriation.>本物 being used here as a measure of quality. No, it is used explicitly to describe authenticity, the way 本物 is usually used.
>>739669535Don't be sorry for him, he's a UKjeet who gets government handouts for his skin tone.
>>739678142>What makes it appropriation? You seem to think culture can't be stolen through tangible elements like food.It's you who insists on framing it as theft, and then complaining that that's the wrong framing for what may or may not be happening.Cultural appropriation is more complex than theft because it's not merely "taking" something, since that also happens in regular cultural exchange and appreciation. It's determined by the context, the significance of what is taken, and the respect towards the source culture. He's worried about the "quality" but what determines that quality? It's not skill.
>>739678518Japanese curry is and tastes like military food.It's barely passable and fundamentally flawed in ways that only make sense if you consider its limitations.
>>739678469Japanese aren't black or brown and leftists consider them "white-adjacent". Try again.
>>739665142No, it doesn't at all. Look at this:>If I make my Grandma's special recipe, will it really be the authentic dish anymore?>If I make my Grandma's special recipe, won't that just be familial appropriation?See the difference now? And how one of them is obviously severely retarded?
>>739678547Appropriation is quite literally theft, and 本物 is used as a measure of quality with items. He wants to create real curry, not some cheap knockoff.
>>739677431And anyone who uses that term uses it in a bad connotation, so I'd say nobody understands it.
>>739678612Japanese are people of color, sorry.But if you will, all of turkish culture is stolen from the greeks and levantine people.>b-bu but it doesn't count thosr are not white eitherkill yourself
>>739678474>used as a form of DARVOSo, what, black people took jazz from you, actually?>has long since become tired out, to the point that even twitter users no longer talk about it.Yes, just /v/Game is from five years ago btw
>>739678603Spoken like a retard that has never been in the military or eaten a single MRE. Next retard, please.
>>739663369Just kill localizers.
>>739678572I didn't frame anything as right or left, I just told you what it meant. He is worried about the quality, which has nothing to do with any sense of guilt or moral qualm.
>>739678638>If you change the context it's differentwow!
>>739663769NOOOOO IT'S NOT THE SAME THING BECAUSE... UH... IT'S JUST NOT, OKAY!? MUH HONORABLE NIPPONESE SCRIPT FOLDED OVER A THOUSAND TIMES IS SUPERIOR BECAUSE IT'S JAPANESE!
I genuinely think I'm not capable of learning a new language, let alone japanese. I feel like I lost that window of opportunity when I was younger.
>>739678667>He wants to create real curry, not some cheap knockoff.YesButIt is not skill that determines that(Or so he worries)
>>739663769>it literally, objectively means the same thingWhat level of pilpul is this?
>>739678836Yes, he worries if his race precludes him from having the skill, but not because it is morally wrong for a Japanese person to make curry.
>>739678469>>739678690Are they being accused of cultural appropriation, are there articles in leftist media written in accusatory tone about this? That was the question, not whether non-whites have appropriated white culture, which they obviously have done and will keep doing.
>>739678015>You won't of course.Me when I lie on the internet for kicks.Let's ignore all the antiwoke brigading on some teenager's twitter account for drawing Okarun but black. The terminology isn't the same but it's the same shit. You're pulling an "uhm well acshually".Anyone pretending political blue or political red have a meaningfully different value system outside of surface level marketing should really just be executed by the state for the betterment of mankind.
>>739678759>I didn't frame anything as right or left?Neither did I?You ok?>He is worried about the quality, which has nothing to do with any sense of guilt or moral qualm.It has to do with him being Japanese. Not with skill. I already told you, your framing as "it's either theft or a skill issue" is a false dichotomy that prevents you from seeing both the actual concern and the extent to which it is about cultural appropriation.
>>739678923nta, but taking this from the topHow is "cultural appropriation" supposed to be "buh white humiliation ritaul" in OP when America and white people aren't mentioned or relevant to begin with?keep yourself safe
>>739679059You're still doing the thing where you see "culture" and immediately staple the twitter definition onto it."Can I, as a Japanese guy, make authentic curry?" is not the same thought as "am I morally stealing curry from Indians?" It's literally anxiety over whether he can make the real thing or if it'll just be some Japanized imitation because of his own background and assumptions.That's a cultural concern, sure. Calling that "cultural appropriation" is where the translation turns into reddit slop.
>>739678986nta but black washing edits are just embarrassing because all they do is just make the character ugly for no reason. Like how the fuck do blacks do nothing but create dogshit ugly trash? Insane. At least cultural appropriate which are used against whites are an improvement.
>>739663769This level of disingenuity is why discussion is pointless and the only answer is violence. You subhumans simply need to be purged from existence.
>>739677814>because people who speak english are fuckign retarded and are slaves to their cultural lensI don't care and I don't want videogames to be made for those people.
>>739678908>Yes, he worries if his race precludes him from having the skillNo, it's not a racial thing. It's because he's not Indian - not from the Indian culture. He worries that it is not something that can be learnt. So, not a skill, but some inherent Indian-ness, without which he could not pass off his curry as authentic, because it doesn't come from an Indian. You're the only one talking about whether or not it's "morally wrong"
>>739677179Uwaki does it right because they're not just looking at the literal meaning but also the contextual meaning (and a general understanding of otaku cultural -isms). You don't get that with MTL and you definitely don't get that with these localizations that are more concerned with how they can insert their shitty current politics terms everywhere.
>>739679152It looks stupid because you're copying the same exact facial structure but just swapping the skin tone, it doesn't work. That being said a good 50% of the outrage is straight up fictitious, I looked into it and half the "Japanese" accounts outraged are actually just Americans. Like a teenager drew something on Twitter, who fucking cares. It's just as dumb as "muh cultural appropriation"Show me in the past 10 years of this god damned culture war what you shitters made with this AMAZING and PRO CREATIVE belief system.kill yourself
>>739679059It is a concern of skill which is birthed from an insecurity with his race. It would be the same as me being concerned that I, an American, cannot play hockey as well as a Canadian. It is not because I am worried that I am appropriating their culture when doing so, but worried that my race somehow precludes me from being a good player. This is not a moral concern.
>>739679130>You're still doing the thing where you see "culture" and immediately staple the twitter definition onto it.No, you're doing that. In fact not even some twitter definition but your own idiosyncratic definition thereof.>"Can I, as a Japanese guy, make authentic curry?" is not the same thought as "am I morally stealing curry from Indians?"So why do YOU keep saying it is?>That's a cultural concern, sure.Yes. >Calling that "cultural appropriation" is where the translation turns into reddit slop.So you've adequately identified the issue but you don't want to call it by its name because it triggers you.
>>739678667>本物 is used as a measure of quality with itemsYes, but in this context it is used to describe veracity. It's used literally. He wants to create real indian curry, not an adaptation of the dish for Japanese people.
>>739679305>It would be the same as me being concerned that I, an American, cannot play hockey as well as a Canadian.No, because that is not a matter of authenticity.How can you argue for "accurate translations" when you keep ignoring half of what it actually says?Now, if you were worried that you wouldn't fit into a Canadian hockey team no matter how good you were because you're not Canadian and they'll consider you a poser, then we'd have a better analogy.
>>739678817The original harkens back to the idea of>Food Authenticity For example, you can eat tacos anywhere, but they are not gonna be as good as real Mexican tacos, which are more "authentic" since those have an original recipe made with ingredients unique to Mexico, but they are both tacos either way. It's a matter of food snobbery.The troonslation instead claims that Japanese curry cannot even be called curry since it's not Indian curry. That part is dumb, but it's not that far from the original meaning. What's retarded is bringing up>Cultural Appropriation This is a completely different concept rooted in identity politics and post colonial mumbo jumbo that it implies its bad to "steal" from an 'othered' culture, since apparently food recipes cannot be freely shared somehow.
>game takes place in japan with japanese characters>people itt think the dialogue is an attack on whites by self hating whites>whites aren't part of the dialogue or story scenario whatsoeverCan we formally categorize this as a mental illness already? Long overdue.
>>739679232His worry over his skill can come if he feels Japanese people lack some part of their being which precludes them from making truly good curry. And if he worried about cultural appropriation, then yes, he would have a moral concern.
>>739678719When I say military food, I mean specifically british naval cuisine from the turn of the 20th century. The premade curry roux blocks exist to solve a pre-existing logistical problem. Taste obviously matters, but is secondary to solving the problem.
>>739678923>Are they being accused of cultural appropriation, are there articles in leftist media written in accusatory tone about this? But likeI don't care about buzzfeed slop articles and neither should you.
>>739679451And why does he want to make real Indian curry in Japan? So that his curry will be as good as the curry in India. A product being genuine is considered a mark of quality and one he seeks to replicate as a chief who seeks to replicate the cuisine of another people.
>>739679594Who do you think localized the game, nigger?
>>739679613>Japanese people lack some part of their being which precludes them from making truly good curryThat's basically blood and soil ideology tho. And the original seems to be making fun of the concept of race being tied to food making quality.
>>739679728>misses the pointI now understand why /pol/fags are triggered over the phrase "media literacy". It's because they're actually just illiterate. Niggers can't read.
>>739679594>localizer completely ignores that it's a japanese character living in japan and inserts his own retarded worldview and niche terminology used only by californian lefties>retard(you) completely misses the pointWhen can we execute people like this?
>>739679594The same logic is also used to attack White people tho.
>>739679779is this bait or are you just retardedhard to tell these days
>>739679476Yes, because one's skill as a player could be considered a proof of one's genuine hockey-player status.
>>739679483>The troonslation instead claims that Japanese curry cannot even be called curry since it's not Indian curry.No, the character worries about that, but by the end of the quest comes to reconsider. >since apparently food recipes cannot be freely shared somehow.Welcome to the whole point
>>739679836This isn't about white people though. You're forcing them to be a part of the discussion, the same thing you bitch and moan about identity politics over.It's about the character's own personal feelings over what is "real" curry. It communicates that.Your own mental illness should not be the concern of the translator, the same way some dumb fuck leftist on twitter should not be a concern.
>>739679758Yes, exactly. The point of the original is that it's ridiculous to think a Japanese person can't (skillfully, not morally) make curry just because they're Japanese.
>>739679594Leftists have categorized Japanese as white-adjacent and treat them the same way they treat white people.
>>739679613>His worry over his skill can come if he feels Japanese people lack some part of their being which precludes them from making truly good curry.I think you're working backwards from your conclusion now rather than going for the most straightforward interpretation.>And if he worried about cultural appropriation, then yes, he would have a moral concern.Even if you want to claim that, that moral concern is inherently tied to authenticity. >>739679860You'll never be a true hoser, poser.
>>739663369Easy.The original is a question of identity ("is it really curry?") While the translation becomes a question of morality (Is it what I'm doing bad?)
>>739680031Who cares, is that even true, and why is that part of the discussion?
>>739679968>It communicates that.It doesn't though?
>>739680089Literacy rates really are dropping in the US...
>>739680019>can't (skillfully, not morally)Why fill that in? The actual text is just can't, for whatever reason
>this thread is still goingThe world would be better if everyone who’s posted here died. Reflect on how no one would miss you and consider the appropriate next steps
>>739678473Yes we can, idiot
>>739680060No, there is no moral concern, hence the language used. This is where knowing Japanese really helps to clear up linguistic confusions in English.
>>739663369Lets learn some context, OPWhat happened in this game during this scene?
>>739678827Tomorrow will make 4 years learning Japanese, you can do it
>>739680165Because it was used as justification to misinterpret the original Japanese, turning a concern of skill into one of moral fault.
>>739679718But here is the thing, we are not talking about "a product", he is explicitly pursuing this for his own sake. So, it's not quality necessarily that he is after, but to relive that experience he had in India. He wants to replicate the real thing, veracity is a somewhat objective thing to strive for. Quality is a different question and far more subjective. Something can be "real indian curry" and also awful or low quality. Again, 本物 has nuances of quality, but it is mostly about authenticity
>>739680031chris chan tier fan fiction your autism has made you indistinguishable from a schizophrenic
>>739663369Cultural appropriation isnt real and it never has been
>>739679904>No, the character worries about that, but by the end of the quest comes to reconsiderThe character doesn't consider it's cultural appropriation, you inserted that meaning.
>>739679594This post got the retards screeching kek
>>739680161>anon thinks I'm from the USlmaostill doesn't, by the way.
>>739680313It is definitely quality, hence the word choice. He wants his curry to be perfect, and the measure of that is in how much it resembles the kind you'd find in India. This is where his insecurity is stemming from. He is in no way questioning whether it is morally acceptable for himself to be making it.
>>739679968The concept of cultural appropriation necessarily involves White people. The concept exists as a response to European imperialism.
The problem here isn't that the translation is bad, it's that you're all brainrotted retards who see "cultural appropriation" and get PTSD flashbacks to thinks Xitards say. And that's okay. It's okay to be a retard. Really the translator is at fault for their choice of words. But as someone who has seen the Xitard discourse develop for years, I don't think the translator actually meant it that way. They just wanted something that sounded snappy and not literally translated. Translators become hypersensitive to grammar that sounds like it was translated from Japanese and your brain begins to associate it with "bad translation".
>>739680494Cultural appropriation has nothing to with morality.
>>739680304It's a concern of ability either way.
>>739680346He's right, racist retardLeave your basement
>>739680530Nope, they changed the meaning of the sentence.
>>739663769Fippy BippyAmerigoys seething at this
>>739680554The expression is promoted like that to the general public.
>>739680554It has everything to do with morality. Stealing someone else's culture is typically considered morally wrong.
>>739680574okay post proof you cant
>>739680530>Translators become hypersensitive to grammar that sounds like it was translated from Japaneseand that's why they should all die
>Another trooncalizer tha'ts totally not upset xer job is getting replaced by Nvidia GPUs, and just wits to own the chuds with xer knowledge on localization (can't understand Japanese btw) threadWow, so brave sister. Im sure this will save your career
>>739680563No, not really.
>>739680554low iq
>>739680494>It is definitely qualityYes - the quality of authenticity. His insecurity stems from whether or not it'll ever be authentic. In other words, the question is, is any curry that isn't made in India, by definition, not different from curry that is made in India? Does taking the curry out of India inherently change its authenticity?
>>739680530>retarded translator make an utterly retarded word choice>comes to the Indian culture forum to defend himself by denying reality
>>739680421The character objectively worries about whether or not his curry can be considered Indian curry. That is true in the original. The thing you're complaining about is there either way.What makes you mad is that you think the author is agreeing with that stance (or rather, you imagine it's just the translator) when in fact the point of the entire plot line is the opposite. So you inserted meaning.
>>739680672>>739680673>>739680746>>739680763Find me publications that use it that way.
>>739680554>Cultural appropriation has nothing to with morality
>>739663969Explain では using this chart.Example学校では学生カードを作る必要があります
>>739680554Only if you're a cis, hetero yt CHUD who won't let me into the women's bathroom!!!!! I just want to fucking dilate before improving bigoted media with my localizations!!!!!! YOU FUCKING COLONIZING CISHERTERONORMATIVE FASCISTS!!!!!!!!
>>739680753No, the quality as it relates to his skill as a chef to replicate what he had in India in Japan. His concern lies purely in his skill to recreate it, and now he wonders if being Japanese in some way affects said skill.
>>739680739Yes, it is. Ability can refer to permission or possibility. If we just leave it at "ability" then either one could be implied.
>>739680969Location + topic
>>739680903Nowhere in the original texts says anything about cultural appropriation
>>739680505What does that have to do with OP though?Unless you're arguing the Japanese are actually White, which I have seen people on /pol/ argue. Or you're arguing the translator perceives the Japanese as White, which is bad faith interpretation and please never be a translator.Like you're backed into a corner, either way you're retarded.
>>739680984>No, the quality as it relates to his skill as a chef to replicate what he had in India in Japan.Again, if that were his concern, he wouldn't bring ethnicity into it. >and now he wonders if being Japanese in some way affects said skill.No, it's not implying he's some "race realist" who believes Indians have a genetic predisposition for making curries. He just worries that it won't be authentic -by definition- because he's not from that culture.
>>739680973Sis, calm down. If we keep posting here and owning the chuds, then we can keep our jobs.
>>739680973low iq speds always stick together huh
>>739681015In Japanese, only skill can be implied, not permission as it relates to a morally permitted action.
>>739680673it only seems to affect brown and asian culture, stop your anti white nonsense, cultural trade has always happened, you niggers always say "Avatar is Anime" to own on Weebs but quiet up when its literally the most appropriated thing ever, trying to call a non-Japanese show Anime. fuck off, does a s word that cuts through your skin care about it? I don't either, fuck off.
>>739679702>I don't care about buzzfeed slop articles and neither should you.The last line of defence is always "it doesn't matter".It does matter, if it didn't they wouldn't spend so much effort and money on their propaganda.
>>739678437The core difference is that もし…ても isn't a conditional at all. The common rendering of でも・ても constructions as "even if" is easily mistaken as being a conditional because it contains an -if- when in reality, it is much softer than a rigid condition and leans more toward subjunctive (and more realistically, a concessive, if such a thing can even be considered grammatical).
>>739681183What did you fucking say, cissie? Just for that I'm adding more communist positive messaging to my next localization.
>>739681165He brings ethnicity into it because that is what he feels is impeding his skill. He is not concerned that curry possesses some magical quality that only allows its creation to be performed in India.
>>739681162The concept of "cultural appropriation" was created in relation to European imperialism, for example, White people stealing statues from Egypt to place then in private collections in Europe. So if you apply that concept to the Japanese you ar necessarily implies that what they are doing is similar to what the Whites did in Africa. The meaning cannot be removed from the context.
>>739681235I'm arguing on your side anon. It's the other guy who's being retarded.
>>739665845neither Boku nor Pico are verbs
>>739681165The issue, to look at it through a culinary lens is that it is difficult to replicate dishes from other cultures without the cookware, ingredients and cultural understanding developed by being raised in a cultural context. I can relatively easily replicate any European dish, as I have access to European ingredients and have literal decades of experience preparing and eating European food of wildly varying levels of quality.Could I say the same about Indian food? Could I make an indian dish, not good or bad, but the way someone from India would? Maybe, maybe not. It's not a question with a straightforward and easy answer.
>>739681356And why would being Japanese prevent someone from having the skill to make curry? Why is his insecurity lifted by accepting that it's okay to bring Japanese cultural influence to his cooking, rather than mastering Indian cuisine?He's not accepting that he was good enough to cook authentic curry all along, but rather accepting that he doesn't have to cook authentic curry to be good. His skill is unchanged.
>>739681162>What does that have to do with OP though?Because it's localised for an English speaking audience, do you genuinely not understand that or are you just pretending?Considering the target audience the localiser isn't some innocent neutral party for using a term that is politically charged and intended to browbeat white people.
>>739665142No it doesn't. It turns an introspective thought into a political stance
>>739681285You have it backwards, nobody spends money on this, they make money off the people reading it.
>>739675350He said "at", not "by".
Sisters.... did AI and the Chuds win AGAIN!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>>739681403>White people stealing statues from Egypt to place then in private collections in EuropeThat's not cultural appropriation.
>>739681403Would it not just make more sense to say the term is 20% off from the original meaning and the translator was using his vernacular, rather than arguing the translator is trying to cement the Japanese as White adjacent?Let's assume the translator is a leftist from the terminology alone, you're also assuming how they perceive geopolitics with little to work with.Hence why you're either retarded or coming in bad faith, it's all the same to me.As the zoomer say, it's not that deep.
>>739681545Because he accepts that his original notion that only Indians can make "real" curry to be ridiculous? He's not accepting that Indian people make their curry and he makes his, but rather his is just as good as theirs.
>>739677431No it isn't because cultures can't have ownership over things, collective ownership and collective guilt are insane marxist ideas.
>>739681545See >>739681538
>>739681698People say this but then conveniently forget how dogshit the Crunchyroll AI subs were and how everyone hated it.
Trannylators won
>>739681803Can't be any worse than the troonslations
>>739681803CR still pays idiots to tamper with it. You can run subs through AI yourself and see the quality difference.
>>739681774Good thing the idea of cultural appropriation does not concern itself with ownership.>collective ownership and collective guilt are insane marxist ideasCollective guilt has been the norm in human culture prior to the advent of Judaism and its successor religion Christianity. Stock trading is an example of collective ownership.
>>739681829Won what?
There was this time when Gordon Ramsey made his own Pad Thai, served it to a Thai cook, and the cook simply said "this is not Pad Thai".It was not an indictment of skill or quality. Simply of authenticity. And of the appropriateness of calling what he served Pad Thai. Now, from the perspective of that cook, Gordon Ramsey would've been lying and misrepresenting his culture if he had served that to customers and called it Pad Thai. So the question of authenticity in a cultural context inherently relates to morality.
>>739681878Evidentially it was though.Like, everyone hated it, a level of vitriol that wasn't even there for the worst of the woke translations to the point where they had to formally respond.
>>739681960Gordon Ramsey wasn't seeking to make authentic Pad Thai, unlike our chef here.
>>739681960thanks chatgpt
>>739681960>Some SEAmonkey seethedOkay....
>>739682053>Gordon Ramsey wasn't seeking to make authentic Pad ThaiHe absolutely was; he confidently served it to a Thai chef. And otherwise, why call it that?
>>739663369Fact: non-whites living in white countries is cultural appropriation.
>>739682035Apparently they still let the trooncalizers fuck with it, so this is pointless, as it's the worst of both worlds.
>>739681905Oh, so this was the result of the evil woke leftists sabotaging the machine translation? Isn't it the complete opposite of not vetting the machine translation?
>>739682149You could make that argument, sure.The US is a black-and-white country from its inception though
>>739681960In most cases "authentic" food it absolutely crap. My wife loves to make Spaghetti. Authentic Italian spaghetti is basically just noodles and tomato sauce, it is the blandest shit ever. Adding beef, extra spices, etc. is an upgrade. I don't see why anyone should have to hold back on improving a product in order to keep it cheap peasant slop because that is what foreigners remember growing up on.
>>739682205Yunyun showed us how corrupt the American tranny localizers are. Do other languages even have the same issues? Anyway, with this example just use a second AI to clean it up, EZ.
>>739682262Slaves aren't citizens and therefore it is a white country. It blacks want to remain they can remain property.
>>739682262The jews brought in the blacks so they didn't have to pay whites to pick cotton.
>>739682308And that shows us that authenticity is only subjectively a component fo quality.
>>739682425The vast majority of slave traders and owners participating in the trans-Atlantic slave trade and chattel slavery in the New World were Christian gentiles and it's not even close
>>739682205Dunno about German, but I can say the English has mistakes that a machine wouldn't make.
>>739682351If it's that easy they'd already do it.I guess Crunchyroll is pozzed and likes losing money. Ignore how they pay translators the worst in industry and would be very ready to replace them with AI if they deemed it as viable.Look, the greedy kikes are just better at this than you are, if they can they would.
>>739682308>Authentic Italian spaghetti is basically just noodles and tomato sauce, it is the blandest shit ever.You don't have to make Spaghetti marinara, you can make a different dish with the noodles.Why choose a bland one?
>>739682565It is that easy and they don't do it because they're retarded.
>>739681960>SEA indian knows better than one of the most respected chiefs of all timeSure
>>739682534>gentilesLMFAO never look up who owned the ships
>>739681916>Stock trading is an example of collective ownership.No, it isn't, it's individual ownership and trade between individuals. You can't own things simply by being associated with people who do own them. Again that's a textbook example of marxist brain parasites in action.
>>739682561This is true, but I'd rather kill myself than watch Fate Strange Fake with AI subs. Also assuming every translation is pozzed is in and of itself coming in bad faith.Notice how everyone's bringing the same examples from fucking gamergate, and almost all of them are done by the same two translators.
>>739666318Yes, it does インド人ではない is a clause that modifies 日本人のAt the same time インド人ではない日本人の "modifies" 俺が And インド人ではない日本人の俺が作る modifies カレーはThe grammar isn't hard, what is hard is getting used to this train of thought, specially when their words and grammar choices can be really weird when translated like インド人ではない日本人の俺が (I of japanese people who isn't an indian person), like what the hell goes through their minds to be this their way of saying that.Outputting in japanese is extremely hard for things like these.
>>739682676>it's individual ownership and trade between individualsanon, the group of people who own shares is definitionally a collective.
>>739681713You haven't even read on the topic.
>>739682678I don't think the CR translations are pozzed, but AI subs are better than what they put out. Feed Gemini SDH subs and you'll have a better and more accurate script than anything the CR monkeys can make.
>>739681739I don't know why the translator did that choice. What we know for certain is that the term "cultural appropriation" comes from post colonial theory. By including that word you are opening a can of worms, necessarily.
>>739682678You'll never know since you don't understand Japanese but I remember watching an anime recently and the subs were nothing like the spoken dialogue. I'll have to think hard to remember the name because it's been at least a few months ago.
>>739681960Thai people believe their king is the reincarnation of Vishnu.
>>739682967勇者刑に処す?
>>739663369test
>>739680593they didn't actually
>>739682652I did, that's why I can confidently state that you're lyingDeath to Israel btw but there's enough reason to condemn them without making shit up (which conveniently exonerates yourself)
>>739683035Maybe? I'll have to rewatch it again.
>>739682093>>739682650>>739683005I feel like you're missing the point
>>739683107They did actually. t. N1 speaker
>>739682837anon, taking artifacts is not cultural appropriationtaking artifacts and claiming them to be part of your own culture is.
>>739682916>I don't know why the translator did that choiceBecause the localiser is a left-leaning white person, the choice is deliberate, to browbeat the other white people reading this line. Same reason you don't see any white, heterosexual men on Apple's website, or Affinity's website or most other websites these days. It's always an intentional choice by somebody.When I worked as a graphic designer I had a hard time finding stock photos with groups of white people, the only creators uploading such photos on Adobe Stock were from the Czech republic, Poland etc.
>>739683491>Because the localiser is a left-leaning white person, the choice is deliberate, to browbeat the other white people reading this line.Did you miss the part where (once again) the point of this plot is that it's actually okay to do what he does? And also he's not white?
>>739683704The localizer treats the character, and by extension the player, as white.
>>739683704The game says it's okay to culturally appropriate curry???? lmfao
>>739683796No, you're doing that, for your own political purposes>>739683914Yes
>>739683954The localizer localized the character as white kek
>bad faith retard still arguing over the strict mirium webster dictionary definition when everyone else, even the lefties themselves, know the intentIt's either the localizer doing a shit job when 'authentic' would've been better/appropriate word choice or the localizer inserting his own retarded political worldview, anything else is cope lmao.
>>739681751>He's not accepting that Indian people make their curry and he makes hisThat's precisely what he's accepting.>but rather his is just as good as theirs.Not from the perspective of authenticity - the point is he just stops using that as a criterionHe doesn't consider his curry more "authentic" than before, he stops caring about it.
>>739684170Except as this thread shows if he used the word authentic, you won't know what it means
>>739684112Sorry about your undiagnosed mental illness
>>739684273>except as this [cope example]Using cultural appropriation is more confusing, especially for the average non-californian lefty.
>>739683704That's not important in this context, it's localised by westerners for a western (majority white) audience, hence the localiser will use politically charged term instead of an actually neutral expression.
>>739684463No, you know exactly what it means, you're just triggered about it
>>739684469Yeah, yeah, you get triggered and you stop thinking rationally, I get it
>>739684526I know only because I read the original Japanese text lmao.
>>739682747Thanks for the breakdown, I'm glad I got it right but it took some math to get there, this shit is NOT intuitive for me at the level I'm at>俺が作る modifies カレーはAlso I've never picked up on this before, but does the が in 俺が作る automatically mean that カレー is the object of the action, while 俺が作る also functions as an attribute?For example if we invert the subject and object here, then would we have to write that as カレーを作る俺は?
>>739684187That's not what he's accepting though. The game shows that he believes his curry is just fine the way it is, thus showing that he was never concerned about stealing another culture's curry, just whether or not it was as good as an Indian's via the metric of authenticity.
>>739684456Sorry the whole thread disagrees with you.
>>739684875>he was never concerned about stealing another culture's curry, just whether or not it was as good as an Indian's via the metric of authenticity.Literally the same thing.And if it were anything else then he wouldn't suddenly come to think his curry was "fine" without changing a single thing about it. The whole point is that he can stop worrying about whether or not it's okay to consider it "Indian" curry and just accept it as a pretty good curry.>>739684951Most of /v/ is mentally ill, you're vindicating me
It's actually even worse if you actually know Japanese. Chances are the localizer can't even speak Japanese and is just using MTL then picking up from there. Not the first case too since some of these retards straight up make fanfiction tier subtitles with how different the character behaves inbetween languages.
>>739684629NTA, but it's the head noun of a relative clause (lit. "the curry that I make"), so it could be rewritten to be the object, but in this sentence it is actually the subject: "Is the curry authentic?"
kek found this while searching for the retarded localizer that said her coworkers can't even speak Japanese
>>739685132No, not the same thing. He's never once worried about appropriating another people's culture.
>>739685132Guess /v/ and localizers do have something in common after all lmao
>>739685532Yes he is. You just don't understand what that entails.The question of authenticity is fundamentally about misrepresentation. Can he make authentic curry, or would it be a lie to pretend that he can, being Japanese? So, is he passing off his Japanese cooking as authentically Indian? It's the same question, if you understand it.
>>739685740>Yes he is.nta but no he isn't lmao. EOP tards really need to rope already.
>>739685740In Japanese, his concern lies in authenticity and his ability to properly make a dish. There is nothing in Japanese that indicates he's concerned with theft of another culture.
>>739685980>In Japanese, his concern lies in authenticity and his ability to properly make a dish.Literally what I am telling you.>There is nothing in Japanese that indicates he's concerned with theft of another culture.You keep using this word and no one else.He is worried that his dish is inauthentic because he is Japanese and that he can't call it Indian curry. That is a question of cultural appropriation. You don't understand it, but that makes you unqualified to comment.
Do you guys think that there is a slight increase in more jrpg developers self publishing and improving their localizations? For example furyu and makers of utawaremono self publish now rather than use NISA localizers. Falcom is starting to use NISA less as well. Do you guys think that eventually besides atlus, square enix, and Nintendo, localization for Jrpgs will improve and be more faithful?
>>739686082>That is a question of cultural appropriationNTA but no it isn't. Cultural appropriation means you're committing imaginary copyright infrigement by "stealing" things that are "owned" by other cultures. You're another retarded leftoid pretending not to understand the argument. If you're going to approach this like a worthless shithead then you're not worth talking to.
>>739686285You literally do not understand the argument, do not accuse me of not understanding it then
>>739686328>n-no u!I accept your concession.
>>739686379I never said you're pretending.
