The shmup renaissance has ended.
To hell, with his bullet hell shit.
CAVE are fucking gay now. They don't make real games.
>>739666226The had the decency to make games and fuck off instead of raping the industry with the worst games imaginable forever like sega and snk. Additionally, looking at recent exa ports, YGW has been working on them, and it wouldn't be shocking if he works on the new DFK mode as well.
someone wanna tell me what this thread is about?i have a bunch of M2 shmups but i dont keep up with the news. some anon said they were making another remake of something but disnt expand on that.
>>739666490>CAVE license with komodo ended so they can publish their own stuff now>ikaruga sequel canceled>batrider port forever on hiatus>focusing on some god awful compile IP that doesn't have a single good game in its entire series
>>739666576oh. well that kind of sucks.so... no more old cave games getting redone?isnt it weird (and fucking tragic) that mushi futari never came out on anything other than 360? that game is so amazing and its just stuck.
One of my dream projects is to fix the shmup genre, which is dead for game design reasons
https://youtu.be/XPFCD0kccoM>>739666898Stay far away, everything is fine
>>739665502more 360 ports and no more games for you, shmup losers. Xbox is dead so is shmup slop. Vampire Crawlers alone is outselling your own genre
>>739667126>Stay far away, everything is fineYeah the most talented designers that ever touched the genre can't even afford to make a new game so they switched to making mobileslop instead just to even stay open. That's definitely "fine".
>>739666898Please add inertia, RPG elements and cutscenes for cinematic effect.
>>739667228Why are you mad at people trying to make a living? would you rather the devs that brought you games you loved die on the streets?
These games kick ass. I played them tonight Co op. Raystorm especially is incredible.>>739666867Holy smokes I am retarded. I thought mushihimesama futari was what people called mushihimesama 1.5. But it turns out it's a full blown sequel to mushihimesama. Very sad we didn't get a steam/switch port for this one. The first mushihimesama is incredible.>>739667194Quality couch Co op will never die
>>739666490On top of what the other Anon said, Ikeda also just left Cave
>>739665502>>739665640>page 10It's over
>>739668767>I thought mushihimesama futari was what people called mushihimesama 1.5.WHy would you think that. I'm willing to let you off on not knowing teh basic weeb knowledge that futa is the kun reading of 2 but this is like if i assumed dodonpachi daifukkatsu was an arrange mode of daioujou. It makes no sense manNow go download xenia and play futari, it's based. Black label is easier so maybe start with that
>>739672115Dodonpachi has a sequel too woah. I thought there was only one Dodonpachi game like I thought there was only one mushihimesama. I think I always just glazed over these thinking they where just rereleases of these games with funny names but there full blown sequels. Not just reworks like say black label.At least this one, DaisaiOuJou (or however you spell it), got a switch release. A physical one too at that.
I want a Psyvariar 2 re-release......NOW!!!
>>739672553Daioujou is actually the third entry (not counting DonPachi). The true sequel is DodonPachi II: Bee Storm, which is also the best game by far
only mork and hog (morkhog) can resurrect this dead unctroonslop genre
>>739673410How is daisaijou, dodonpachi 3 I guess, compared to dodonpachi black label?
>>739666898>739667228It's impossible to make a commercially viable shmup nowadays without destroying what the genre is about.It's better to create games shmoopers will actually like, with the full knowledge of it remaining nieche.
>>739673774undertale and touhou arent niche though
>>739673770Nta but "dodonpachi black label" doesn't existA "black label" is an edited version of a game with gameplay changes, there are 2 black labels in dodonpachi series:Dodonpachi daioujou black label, which makes the game less sadistic through small gameplay changes (smaller hurtbox, less punishing rank, easier chaining, keeps extends on 2nd loop)Dodonpachi DFK (also known as resurrection) black label, which completely change the game's hyper system, music, and is 1 loop only
>>739666898I'm going to fix the genre by buying an arcade stick so it actually feels interesting just to move which is 95% of what you do in these.The problem with adding stuff to the genre is that it defines itself by not having stuff other genres have. Gradius already had semi-interesting environments you kind of navigate through and it used powerups like experience points. But in bullet hells, the bullets are the level.
>>739673914You are probably baiting but Touhou isn't popular because of the games (most fans don't even play them) and undertale isn't a shmup at all
>>739673980The second one is what we play all the time, resurrection. It's super fun.
>>739674034undertale has danmaku mechanics, the only way to make it shmup-palatable is to have a ARCADE mode that gets rid of all of the rpg mechanics, cutscenes, walking and just has all of the fights stringed together
I want this but I'm not paying $2400 for it
>>739674095>undertale has danmaku mechanicsnot really, it has some bullet hell patterns but that's about it"shmup" implies "shooter" and a lot of mechanics will come from this as you need to kill some ennemies before they shoot at you and manipulate their behaviour, undertale barely have any of that
>>739673914Touhou as a franchise is super popular but the actual games aren't, even a lot of the fanart is just referencing material from 20 years ago and most western players pirate the games, myself included since it's genuinely easier to play them that way. I've thought a bit about what a popular shmup would be like, one which still maintains the ideas of a shmup, and "ZeroRanger but CAVE" is what I basically came up with. Cinematic moments with mechanics to keep casual players going, which could obviously be disabled. I don't think many casuals want to go into a game on the easiest possible difficulty. Or just have some streamers play it and add some hype moments for the Shorts and call it a day lol that's genuinely the best advertising for any game nowadays
>>739674047To answer your first question about daisaijou and dodonpachi3 then, daisaijou doesn't exist; you have saidaioujou (released after resurrection) and daioujou (released before, that's dodonpachi 3 but nobody calls it that)Both are kind of cleaner than resurrection, resurrection tends to go crazy on bullet cancelling and hyper, as well as auto bombing.Saidaioujou also have auto bombs but all your stock is used when you get hit so you can't cheese the game as much.Vibe-wise daioujou is much colder and steampunk, while saidaioujou is flashy-neon (but slightly less colorful/hyper than resurrection).Give them a try if you wanna know more anon! They both work on PC either via shmupmame (regular mame doesn't work for saidaioujou due to a C&D) or fbneo
Tou hou is dou dou
It's over
>>739665502It just started
>>739666576fuck you aleste is the goat
After discovering the F5 through F7 keys in mame I am thoroughly vexed. Pausing is very convenient. Save states are also a low stress way of progressing through shmups that still gives satisfaction.Yet deep down I know.... If I'm not playing from Stage 1 to the end in 1 shot with no retries I'm not really playing the game.The cognitive dissonance is going to destroy me soon. What do?
>>739678707do bothfull run with no help when you want to play for realsavestates and pauses when you want to experiment or train specific sections of the game
>>739678820Save states are cheating and a shortcut and doing it makes me a worse person. It makes me lesser. You shouldn't be a little bitch with shmups you need to autistically play them from start to end until you can beat it all by yourself just like the arcade machine. Stage 1-3 always sucks cause it's easy and 4-5 are the great filters. Having to clear the early stuff over and over is incredibly tedious but I would argue THAT is the real experience. I need to stop using them altogether.
>>739678947shut up retard
>>739678947>but I would argue THAT is the real experienceNot really, except maybe for the first year of the gameMost successful games would get a release on consoles a year or 2 after the arcade release, just like how movies release on dvd after they've been in theaters. These console versions have stage selects which allows you to train without restarting the full game over, and then you can come back later at the arcade to show off your trainingYou can't get the "real experience" from training without savestates anyway, because you are not losing real money for each credit you push in the emulator, as that changes a lot how someone approaches a game
Make an arcade game thread if you want to discuss shmups instead of shitposting and bumping for 7 straight hours
Just 1CC'd my first SHMUP Musha on hard mode. What should I play next? Emulator or Steam.
>>739666898Literally just make the games sell for $40 max
>>739682316what shmups are you playing that cost more than 40 dollars
>>739681918mushihimesama original mode
>>739682386He said $40 max? Where did you get >40 from? Also people used to spend thousands in credits playing these games on actual cabs. Shmuptards will pay basically anything you ask if you put a billion bullets on the screen at once.
>>739674154The exa arrange modes are just basic bitch rom hacks. To be fair the lag reduction is great, I played Akai Katana again on exa machine in Akiba Hey! and you can tell a difference right away, but the arrange is just fucking whatever, I wouldn't fork over that much money no matter how rich I would be.I think I'm actually more upset at previously unreleased doujin games getting bought by Exa like Axel City 2.
>>739683508are you retarded? he said make the games sell for $40 max, this implies theyre over $40
>>739684016normal games are, yes.
>>739684238nigger nobody is talking about anything other than shmups
>>739666576>"focusing">>>>implyingthat shit is never coming out shame because Branch legitimately looks amazing
