Can't tell when she's gonna combo, or when she's just doing one hit. Watched pretty much every video about this fight and still can't figure out how to dodge.
>>739667362>nd still can't figure out how to dodge.have u tried pressing circle on you're gamepad
>>739667397I know how to dodge, I just can't figure out when to dodge most of her attacks. There's not a single guide online that explains it clearly enough. It just shows them parrying or rolling past an attack but never any explanation of the specific timing.
If you're the type to impulsively dodge on audio cues, she'll buttfuck you every time because her prosthetic arm makes noise before her attacks to get you to preemptively roll and then you get roll punishedTry her with the audio off
learn her distances alternatively equip blasphemous blade and use mimic tear
>>739667931I'm aware of that. I've heard tbe cue actually tells you when she's doing a combo
>>739667931How to dodge that flurry attack. Not waterfowl dance but the snaller one. It's like three hits but those hits take out 40% of my health.
>>739667362I have a big shield and a big stick. I poked this lanky bitch to death
>>739668523Dodge forward and to the left. She won't be able to reorient herself to hit you.
I think these type of threads exist to make me feel better after doing a sub-par in a D5 Nightreign run.
>>739667509GRANT US EYES GRANT US EYES
Anon...
>>739668669I haven't even got to D5 in Nightreign. I hovered around D3 and that's as deep as I could get before I eventually stopped playing.
>>739668686Yo this gameplay is lit senpai
>>739668661Is there a visual or audio cue? Like the sparks or something?
>>739667362I'm sorry anon, I don't normally pull this card but have you tried to git gud?
>>739668523There's two variants. One she dashes forward, slashes three times and then another quick slash. Dodge diagonally into it and then another dodge almost right away. This can (and usually will) chain into another attack, potentially the same triple-slash (I've had her do it seven times in a row) so just wait to dodge the next attack.The variant of this is when she dashes forward she will be lower to the ground. This is how you know the follow-up slash will be delayed. This is always a 'finisher' move with no follow-up, so if you dodge correctly you will be able to hit her every time.
>>739668523That one has a pretty obvious windup with sparks and shit, if I recall. You can dodge through it to the left, and keep moving away because she has a stinky back slash after the three quick swipes.
>>739667362Sounds like a skill issue.
>>739668686>glitched 2nd phaseCompletion status? Unfinished.
>>739667362I'm a simple man. If I can't beat the boss in 10 tries, i summon.Don't feel like playing your shitty quicktime event for too long is all.
Just use a shield, dumbass. Ignore what the “community” or popular youtubers have said about shields. They work and are perfect for dealing with waterfoul.
>>739667362A girl played this and beat it with just her feet. Are you saying your worse than her?
>>739668879>If I can't beat the boss in 10 tries, i summon.what do you do in sekiro
>>739668920Haven't played it yet
>>739667362>still can't figure out how to dodgepost screenshot of build/stats or we can't help you retard
>>739668898>b-but she heals a bit of health if you use a shield!This is how retards will respond to you.
>>739668920
>>739667362Giant hunt zweihander frostbite, bloodboon, some dragon spells because dragons are cool, alternatively spam them. Or use a shield.
>>739668898>>739669006>shieldthis is the wayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4PpyGYdmwE
>>739668793I have. Do you have advice on how to git gud?>>739668979Level 192Vigor 60Mind 30Endurance 37Strength 27Dexterity 19Intelligence 76Faith 8Arcane 14Dark Moon Greatsword +10Erdtree's Favor 2Blessed Dew TalismanRitual Shield TalismanDragoncrest Greatshield TalismanNo armor for light roll6 Freeze Pots
>>739669175Physick is Crimsonburst Crystal Tear and Opaline Bubbletear. I have max Flasks 12 Crimson 2 Cerulean
>>739669175>I have. Do you have advice on how to git gud?No, I am not gud either. I just used a greatshield and prayed until eventually I won
why do people pretend that this boss is a finely-tuned rhythm puzzle like most other bosses in the series are? her encounter design is so overtly skewed in her favor that its not worth engaging with as a player. the inane attack pacing/readability + heal on hit + waterfowl dance + the fact that shes optional illustrates the perfect storm of a boss that wasnt finished and dropped in for the meme. her inclusion is a manifestation of the same "PREPARE TO DIE LUL" attitude that nearly killed the series with dark souls 2. you are literally not supposed to engage with her on normal terms because she is designed to spite you for doing such. you MUST cheat with summons or cheese if you want to beat this, or else you waste literally a dozen hours training to fight her, which not a single other boss in the series asks of the player
>>739669175Bump up that endurance
>>739669308Meh who cares, autists still solo her
>>739669325I'm not really having stamina problems but alright. How many points? Should I respec or grind levels?
>>739668523Dodge roll diagonally past Malenia. If you dodge roll directly away from her, she seems more likely to try the same move again to pursue you.
>>739669308You are LITERALLY supposed to just use a FUCKING SHIELD. A sword and a shield is all you need. That’s the most basic bitch build.
>>739667362I raped her with my mimic bro. no regrets
>YOU MUST play ze dex build, not level ze HP, and dodge every attack perfectly!!!Quite trying to korean style it, idiot.
>>739669175>no armor for light rollmid/fat rolling is the usual problem in this fightmaybe you just kind of suck anon
>>739668879>summon an NPC to help>the summon dies in 20 seconds>you're now stuck with a boss that has even more HPA bizarre feature
>>739669946No I summon a guy called "letmesoloher"
>>739669308>why do people pretend that this boss is a finely-tuned rhythm puzzle like most other bosses in the series are?Because it is.I killed her at RL1 with an honest iron greatsword, no status effects and no consumables.She is very predictable.If not using online summons, you can even bait out Waterfowl at a distance for an easier dodge and then get a very predictable 45 seconds where she will not use Waterfowl (this cooldown is cleared with the rare grab lunge).Nobody ever mentions this because nobody tries anymore.Bitch/Reddit culture.
i can't tell how difficult the last third of ER is because I cheesed them all with Giant Crusher+RKR+Mimic
>>739667362I fucking hate this fight. I don't have a problem with dodging but with attacking. There doesn't seem to be enough time before or after an attack or during a combo to get a hit in. Instead she just doesn't attack sometimes and just walks around like a retard. This makes attacking her always feel like a gamble.Am I supposed to just play it safe and only get one hit in every now and then? She's way too tanks for that even without the life steal. I even tried to giant red hammer to knock her up with every heavy attack so I have time to disengage after attacking but it seems like she gets infinite hyperarmor after every attack so it never safe. Even though my attacks should completely wreck her if she decides to attack one frame before I hit her she'll just be unphased by the attack.The first phase isn't even that bad but the second phase kills me almost immediately every time. I don't even understand what's going on. Does she just get a massive aoe on every attack. I can't get a feel for the second phase because I just die too quickly.I hate this boss so much. It goes against everything I leaned in that game. Everything about this boss feels off. It's like I have to fight against my muscles memory because I'm only used to fight well designed bosses and suddenly this absolute fucking whore comes out of nowhere and changes the whole game.
>>739670550>Instead she just doesn't attack sometimes and just walks around like a retardYou're right anon, this part in particular is dogshit design and you see it a lot on recent soulslike bosses. I'm not sure if they're doing this on purpose because they think a boss walking around for a bit is cool? (it can be when it's done properly but not like this) or if they think it's a way of giving the player a break? (It's not, you don't know if or when she's going to do something so you're forced to sit and wait) but the result is arseIt's possible to manipulate this state with throwing knives and you can play around the AI, but doing that isn't satisfying or intuitive and the AI routines aren't communicated to the player in any way so you can only discover this stuff through blind trial and error. These bosses have a huge amount of animation work, the animations should be used to communicate with the player and make it clear what they can do, when they can attack, how they can avoid attacks, instead of everything being misleading and requiring repeated guesswork
>>739670143>then get a very predictable 45 seconds where she will not use Waterfowl (this cooldown is cleared with the rare grab lunge)Are you not able to understand that this MMO metagaming bullshit is undesirable?
>>739670550>>739671594Malenia was literally trained by the inventor of guard counters (per the Curved Sword Talisman and the Prosthesis-Wearer's Heirloom talisman). She is baiting you a lot of the time, and her dodge-away animations and kicks have hyperarmor.
>>739671594>wtf why does a dexfag opt for a counterattack
>>739670550>>739671594Here’s some advice. Success in ER (and soulslikes in general) is largely about self-discipline which means it’s largely about mastering your emotions. Enemies delay attacks or retreat momentarily in order to induce dread and cause you to panic and make mistakes.
>>739671852Hell the boss healthbars themselves are a psychological trick. How many times have you died with the boss at a sliver of health because you started taking stupid risks to finish it off?
>>739669014ghost of tsushima is better
>>739671940Yes, I’ll be honest. I can feel my heartrate rise when a boss is low on health. I’m not ashamed because I assume most other people probably have the same experience. It’s a normal human reaction. But that’s why I think bosses shouldn’t have health bars. I think generally games should communicate how healthy an NPC is visually by having them bleed, limp, etc. Horizon Zero Dawn does this well.
>>739671742OK? What does that have to do with the dogshit boss design?A good way of handling a boss which is thematically supposed to counter things would be to have them enter a special counter pose at the end of certain attacks which is fully communicated by the animation, happens consistently and has clear and intended counterplay besides just staring at her waiting. For example she could go into a guard pose for 2 seconds at the end of the downslash and would do an actual guard counter if you hit her, but moves explicitly designed to break guard like Kick and the Square Off uppercut could break the guard giving you an opening, and she could have a recovery flourish as she exits the guard pose which is vulnerable so you could do something like charge a big R2 timed to land right after the guard pose finishes. This has been done with certain enemies in earlier souls games where they have parry stances but you can do jumping attacks or unparriable weapon arts to beat the parryThis would be better design because it would be consistent and clearly communicated to the player so they can figure out themselves how to approach the fight. As opposed to "Waterfowl has a 45 second cooldown which gets reset by the grab lunge" which is metagaming. You heard that on the Internet, nothing in the game communicates this
>>739671852>mastering your emotionsfucking lol
>>739671594She's just doing what the player does sometimes. Waiting for the enemy to attack, dodge and counterattack.>wtf why is he able to instantly roll away from my attack, fucking input reading
>>739672245You know the delayed Margit attack where he holds his weapon up that people memed about? It’s purely a psychological trick. Think about it logically. From a purely mechanical point of view, it’s like any other attack, you just dodge when it comes at you. The way it trips you up is by building anticipation until you can’t wait anymore and you start panic rolling.
>>739669308Most players are too stupid to recognise the blatant input reading this game is doing. Melania is just one of the many.Training does very little unless you are conscious about the input reading algorithm.
>>739669175Cut Int to 60 and put the stats somewhere else
>>739672403Who was talking about that attack? There is nothing wrong with Margit's cane overhead it's just highly memeable>>739672308>She's just doing what the player does sometimes. Waiting for the enemy to attack, dodge and counterattack.This not how you design a good AI boss. The CPU has no thought process so there can be no mind games, pretending it's a human being is retarded. All enemy behaviour should consider how the player will respond to the enemy and the decisions the human being will need to make because the game is being made for the human being
>>739672554You guys are hilarious. Instead of just equipping a shield, you dissect the underlying game logic and frame data to come up with an elaborate conspiracy theory to explain away your butthurt.
>>739667362>dodgingpure skill issuehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_Gksd_4Y0
>>739672721Don’t play dumb. People have been bitching about how unfair he is since day one.
I just powerstanced greatswords and raped her on the attempt where she only waterfowl'd once.The fight is a joke outside of that one nonsense move which is why it's a really bad boss.
I had to summon to beat Malenia.Still don't know if I could do it myself. I just couldn't tell any of the attacks apart until the animation had already started and there was no more room for error already. I didn't know any of the underlying rules of her fight.But that was like a week or two after the game came out. If you're having this much trouble with a well documented Souls boss, it's because you're outright refusing to absorb the information you're being given.
>>739672893he's unfair because of the light dagger combo extensions which are basically a vigor check not because of the 800 frame overhead lmaoeven no hit challenge runners just bait the hammer slam over and over because trying to punish anything else he does is a crapshoot
>>739672893>Don’t play dumbFucking retard /v/ isn't one person, I don't care what your boyfriend likes to complain about while you're rubbing your fursuits against each other
>>739673028>I just couldn't tell any of the attacks apart until the animation had already startedSeveral of her attacks do not give you enough time to read the attack itself but you are expected to avoid them by remembering the sequence which leads to them, such as a dodge to the left or a particular horizontal slash which has an instant sweep after it. You can't cleanly fight modern souls bosses by watching them any more, everything is about figuring out an AI flowchart while memorising branching sequences of boss combos
>>739667362Learn to parry, it helped me beat Malenia after two whole days of trying.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8fn54tcswcfor second phase just summon mimic and spam frozen pots or spells/miracles
https://youtu.be/lkY5khaI9Q0?si=kYqK4-uS58NXHS3G
Post nerf Radahn is genuinely the best truly hard boss Fromsoft has made. Malenia is absolutely horrible.
>people posting their own shitty amateur clears like it's 2022
>>739673068no hit trannies deserve to suffer. the game having guaranteed damage is based.
>>739673671why
>>739668686this... looks fun
I recommend buff and weapon art cheese. I beated her with buffed up fire broadsword L2R2 spam, it stuns her quite easily.
>>739668523Just block then dodge . Some of the attack strings in this game are straight bullshit
>>739669175how are you not melting her with mlgs r2s? that weapon straight up counters her.
>>739667362>still can't figure out how to dodgeBlock.
>>739667362malenia is the ultimate peasant slayer. the never ending attack chains make the average peasant dodge away or to the side and wait for an opening, but thats when the peasants fall into her trap and its already over. dont play by her rules and dodge forward left or forward right as soon as she attacks and there is your opening to attack her. repeat until she is dead and then enjoy r34 of her.
>>739672893margit is just the game's filter that casuals freak out about and act like he's the entire game. when he's a trickster that hunts tarnished. his trippy moveset reflects that.
>>739672308>She's just doing what the player does sometimes. Waiting for the enemy to attack, dodge and counterattack.Then maybe she should also have the HP, resistance and poise of a player. If they wanted her to be an NPC invader type of enemy they should have made her one.It also makes no sense because the player only does this because of the brainless AI. It makes no sense the other way around. The boss sets the pace and the player reacts to it. Having the boss stop attacking just pauses the fight.
