>>739670046
Yeah, the story falls apart and is absolutely its weakest point even though it's all bioholes want to talk about.
The gameplay is kino though.

The loss of meaning in the phrase 'for those who come after' following Act 3 (and surrounding the ending choice too, I guess) says everything. Such a shame.

>>739670046
The praise for this "game" tells you everything you need to know about the absolute state of modern vidya.
This shit would be laughed off the face of the Earth in like 2005. Pretentious Excel simulator with disgusting UE5 blurry mess type graphics

The developers used AI

>>739670046
I agree with you and I am surprised how many people liked this game
Act 3 ruined it for me
Whole story and premise was a waste od time

>>739670046
Act 3’s problem isn’t its content, but the fact that it was obviously rushed, as evident through the bad balancing and the fact that Act 3 is nothing but the final dungeon + post game content.

>>739670046
>This slop is still the best Final Fantasy game since FFX

I feel like act 3 was incomplete and maybe the original plan had 5 acts but they had a small budget.

I hope the success compels them to make a sequel and flesh out the world more.

>>739670582
What could possibly be needed to flesh out the world, it's fully fleshed

>>739670046
>Lune and Sciel essentially stop existing as characters
I really wish there was a Lune/Sciel ending where you show a middle finger to the Dessendres, they even could've used the lumina converter as a plot device to explain Lune and Sciel getting painter powers when they kill one of the Dessendre.

>>739670046
>The ethics of creating living, sentient beings?

Guess why the Writers hate the Painters.

>>739670742
is literally anything known about the writers

>>739670046
Agreed
If they still wanted to have thier twist and Dessande focus I genuinely think I would have preferred the game end at the act 2 twist, with a real epilogue (instead of the fakeout one), that explains whats going on in the background and thats it
A real fuck you ending, sure, but I think the biggest issue with act 3 and the ending is it asks you to make a choice and neither option really takes into account everything from acts 1 and 2, it asks me to choose assuming I care whatsoever about the Dessandes and their bullshit, and hopes I've forgotten about what the game was actually about for 4/5ths of the runtime.
But I dont. I dont care about whether Aline is too far gone from her addiction or whether Maelle/Alicia would be better off in one world or the other. I just dont. I care about the people of Lumierre because thats who the game has conditioned me to care about up until act 3.

Don't agree.

>>739670615
The entire painters vs writers war etc.

>>739671296
the writers exist as one passing line, it's essentially an entire new story

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>>739670046
Act 3 was rushed, Sciel literally doesn't even have a personal quest. The game is still good though, wouldn't have won so many GOTY's otherwise.

>>739670046
Neah, it was peak, starting with Verso reading the letter.

I feel like writers exist for the same reason Verso died on december 33, just to add some weird ambiguity whether the Dessandre's world is even the real world, to add an extra level to the moral ambiguity of them extinguishing the world they created.
I'm not sure it was worth it, if they had it so he simply died in an accident saving Alicia/ caused by her negligence, literally nothing would change and there would be a lot less "huh?".

>>739672257
To me it feels like a setup to a bigger franchise. So the next game would be "Claire Obscur: boogaloo adventure" and have little hints about painters and writers again. It's pretty smart and it is a trick ubisoft used for assassins creed.

>>739670046
True, I was able to stomach the mediocre gameplay because I was curious where the story would go and than the end of act 2 happened and I dropped the game immediately.

>>739670046
To be fair, Act 3 requires a high intellect to enjoy. No easy marvel brain hooks.

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>>739670959
>I care about the people of Lumierre because thats who the game has conditioned me to care about up until act 3.
The game conditions you to care about the antagonists and their from minute one, when Sophie says she "feels sorry for the Paintress" who looks sad.
You're supposed to care about the mystery of why painted Renoir wants his family back and why he turned on his own people.
If you actually gave a shit, then the world-explaining twist in Act 3 would be satisfying.
But you didn't give a shit at all because to you every video game is "DOOM guy kills the demons"
You didn't engage with the game at all because you are a low-IQ impatient NIGGER

>>739671296
That’s literally the entire reason why the game is good. Once you flesh that shit out, you basically get Severance season 2. People forget that that successful games and shows always tend to get new writers (i.e fans) that fill out the lore with dumbass shit.

>>739670046
Is there a greater pleb filter for the modern child left behind? This is literally final fantasy tactics advance shit and it consistently breaks their brains. They are going to study this in years to come as a sign of the aphantasiac mind.

>>739672940
My point was that it doesn't feel intentional. It feels like they wanted to tell more but budget ran out so they wrapped it up in an unsatisfactory way with open plot threads and not wrapping up most of it.

It feels like deus ex mankind divided, not like xenogears.

>>739672998
literally nothing to do with aphantasia you pseud

Act 3 is weird in that Lune’s, Alicia’s and Sciel arcs are obviously intended to go before Renoir but all the content past that point is leveled way higher than Lumiere so if you do the finale first, you miss the context for it and if you do the optional content, you stomp the finale

>>739670046
The end of Act 1 ruined the game. Verso couldn't carry Chadstave's jock strap. Act 2 was meh. Act 3 was a disaster. Did they run out of money?

>>739670046
The problem with Act 3 is that you never really interact with the world in a meaningful way. It's already near post apocalyptic setting and you spend the whole game just wandering around ruins, the only NPCs being completely removed from human perspective.

It's a fake world basically amounts to Lune and Sciel not being real characters (and they do immediately after the reveal). There's no tension at all in saving the world.

>>739670165
Good.

>>739674061
That's not an act 3 problem, balance in general of the game is totally fucked. You hit the damage cap a few hours into the game so there's this weird arc where for a few hours all your skills work, then only multi hit skills are worth anything then the damage cap gets lifted and you have infinite energy so you only ever spam your ultimate attack.

>>739670046
"it was all a dream" tired trope

>>739670046
It's almost as if the story was about something else than you originally thought it was.

>>739672769
Act 3 had some of the most memorable video game lines in terms of impact, not only in comparison to the rest of the game, but against the competition that year

you treat me as if im still five
i treat you as if the shadow from the worst day of our lives is going to suffocate you and take you from us too.
...
Enough. I said, enough.


Then later

In verso's ending, I thought it was perfectly done. From the expeditions reactions to finally letting the last real part of his soul rest.
.

>inb4 i fucked up spoiler tags

>>739670046
glad I gave myself full spoilers for this shit so Ill never be tempted to play it

>>739670046
Yeah this is the problem with the story. It focuses on the whole 'fantasy is le bad' thing with Alicia but never addresses the moral conundrum of killing thousands of sapient individuals. Also the reason they can't hide the painting is contrived as fuck, literally lock it in a safe and don't tell them the code. Wow, so fucking hard.

The only thing you could argue is that maybe the writers are fighting the painters for this very reason.

>>739670046
"Successful game bad"

>>739670046
I liked act 3

>>739676369
Does the game really have any memorable quotes other than the expedition mottos

>>739676753
Most people on /v/ that don't like act 3 either misunderstood the point or lacked the necessary empathy to engage with the point wholeheartedly.

>>739675178
"claiming that its the "it was all a dream" tired trope" tired trope

>>739670046
I liked the twist. The story scenes are done masterfully. I only have issue with act 3 gameplay balance.

>>739676847
Tedious statement unfalsifiable by design.
Third option: different opinion

>>739677212
Trope trope

>>739676753
I hated it because I didnt know where to go or what zones to do so I just kept traveling around the world getting one shotted and not having any fun until I found whatever zone was I supposed to do next
and then once you clean out the map the actual final zone is stupid AF since you just one shot everyone because you're level 90 and everything there is lvl 50 or smth - it losses all the tension. I killed final boss without seeing even one of his moves
They should've introduced a mechanic where you can see what lvl every zone/enemy in overworld is so at least you could take notes on what to do instead of just wasting time bashing your head against a wall until one cracks.
The first 2 acts are super clear on what they expect you to do, 3rd act being so open tottally didnt fit. I wish I had found a guide that details the order on what to do, the experience of spending tons of time just not doing anything except flying around, getting destroyed, flying around to find place where I can do someonething was the only unfun aspect of the game.
Plus lots of these bosses they put in the end have deranged healthbars.

>>739677374
I didn't say anything is wrong with missing the point. But /v/ is very obnoxious about it.

E33 a shit

>>739670165
your mom is AI

>>739677491
You are indeed claiming it's a personal failure

To go further, ironic to mention lack of empathy as a reason. Paradoxically un-empathetic statement refusing to imaginatively inhabit the position that someone else's negative response might be valid for them. Precisely what empathy would require.

>>739677469
>hated it because I didnt know where to go
Brother, the objective marker?

>>739670160
what a delusional post

why are retards so mad about this game

>>739677772
It's mostly indians who are made at E33 for some reason

>>739677689
You know what he meant, you reach act 3 and want to do content you just unlocked. Who rushes the final boss straight away?

>>739677654
You would have a point if this board wasn't made up of chuds and racists. So I can't really take this attempt at slander seriously.

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>>739677773
The resemblance is uncanny

>>739677837
Because you can do it all right after the final boss

>>739677857
1/10 bait

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I loved the game up until act 3, the twist was just so aggressively stupid and poorly thought out that I lost all interest to keep playing. It’s like the devs really thought I would give a shit about the dessendre who barely got any characterization up to that point, Renoir gets maybe…10 lines in the whole game up to that point? My assumption was he didn’t want us to kill the paintress because he was using his immortality to hold onto the last shred of his family, essentially he couldn’t let go of the past and accept reality. That made more sense to me than what was basically a dream ending followed by a ridiculously long exposition dump that does a very poor job of explaining who the writers and painters are. It really felt like the devs just wanted to have some shamalayan style twist at the end, didn’t consider what that would actually entail, and then crapped out a half baked post game mode.

Really what act 3 tells me is the majority of people jerking e33 off didn’t even play the game or simply dropped it before the end of act 1. I know so many people who don’t realize the MC gets killed off, and that happens super early.

>>739670046
the endings were pretty strong artistically, but yeah the story takes a hard dip from act3 onwards
my real praise for the game is that it was written with real intent rather than relying on the typical "muh symbolism" (ie. meaningless, fortunate headcanons)

>>739678562
>poorly thought out
(you)

>>739678627
Are there a lot of rpgs that focus on symbolism?

This shi was so bad it would never get published as a book or pushed as a movie due to all the plotholes and asinine characters. Act 3 was just the natural consequence of this awfully written ball that kept rolling down until it crashed

>>739678209
That would require meta knowledge

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>>739678672
Yes, act 3 is poorly thought out. There is absolutely no indication of any of that painter bullshit up to that point despite having one of the dessendre front and center, and naturally verso never even hints as to what’s going on. It feels tacked on, forced, poorly thought out.

>>739678562
If you believed that immortality bullshit from Verso for even a second you are a retard. None of that shit lines up with anything Renoir said previously

>>739678892
>There is absolutely no indication of any of that
lmao

>>739678975
Why would I assume he’s lying and Renoir is telling the truth? Verso never gave off the vibe he was making shit up, being secretive sure, and Renoir killed off the main character. That’s fucking ridiculous.

>>739679002
When does the game hint towards the twist prior to act 3? I did as much content as I could before taking on the paintress and I genuinely can’t think of a single time the game acknowledges the “uhm actually this world is just a coping mechanism for a broken family” shit.

>>739678884
To be fair, pretty much no video game story would get published as a book

>>739678892
>There is absolutely no indication of any of that painter bullshit
How about the villain called "the paintress" who seems to paint beings into existence

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>>739670046
I can forgive the game's shortcomings purely for giving me this to use on twitter.

>>739679396
there's like a million hints, but it does not spell it out for your which a brainlet like you might need i guess

>>739679396
I'm not who you've been replying to. I'm also saying this in your defense.
The game hinted at the twist with those black & white 4:3 segments.
HOWEVER, I would argue that those were clumsily done and feel as if they were inserted into the game only after the twist had been written and the devs realized they need some foreshadowing.
Not all foreshadowing is a good thing, and as I said, I think the foreshadowing offered up by the game was pretty lame, seeing as how it was telenovella style and not thematically relevant to anything going on at the time ("for those who come after" and all that).
Just two people speaking cryptically, as if it were a badly-done anime localization.

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>>739679736
Or in other words you can’t think of any otherwise you’d have posted it in response. No more (You)s until you give an example.

>>739679851
no point in trying to explain to someone who won't understand anyway
i'm just enjoying the game

>>739670046
Act 3 actually saved them story for me, because from act 1 to 3/4th through act 2 the story is close to nonexistent with most characters just vagueposting and by the time you reach the monolith you can predict the twist and find it to be well done. I do think that Gustave's death was a waste, simply because Verso has 0 chemistry with the expedition group and the story of the game revolves solely around Verso, Maelle and Renoir.

>>739679741
I never got any indication of what was going on in those black and white segments, my assumption was they were hinting at verso being more involved with the state of the world than he let on and maelle being connected to the dessendre. I don’t know how I’m supposed to interpret that as the world being a facade and the actual narrative is about a family squabble. I think the most you can reasonably assume with those segments is maelle is related to Renoir and has a personal connection to versos barbecued sister, that doesn’t really say much of anything though. You could honestly just cut those from the game and it wouldn’t change the narrative one bit, they really don’t add anything.

>>739679396
How about the fact that all the items are named after painting terminology (recoats, tints, gradients etc.)? Also the name “Clair Obscur” is a style of painting and the lyrics of the songs all foreshadow the twist.

>>739680203
Yeah and the main antagonist is called the paintress. So the logical assumption is she’s the worlds creator and she is either malevolent or has gone insane, none of that hints towards the dream ending style twist and it’s very clear you’re just reaching for straws. You have one of Renoirs constructs in your party the entire fucking game and he never once clues you in and Renoir never gives off the vibe verso isn’t actually real, he talks to him like he’s his child.

My initial dumb thought the very moment I saw Renoir was alternate realities, which wasn't far off. I thought Renoir was a version of Gustav who had reached the end of the mission, and that's it caused the destruction of his world. That his goal was to now stop all expeditions in order to preserve this world.

Because I thought they kind of looked similar.

>>739680171
For those who didn't expect the twist, You can understand that mask keeper axon is verso's portrayal through the dialogue and how Verso claims that this is Renoir's Verso, how paintings of the locations of the world are located inside the manor, how everything is named after fucking art related terminology, the constant leitmotifs with piano, clock and giant Lyres are clumsily situated throughout locations, the main villian that Sophie suggest isn't really a villain in the beginning is a fucking paintress, Maelle constantly talking about her feeling deja vu hinting on her obvious blood relation to the family. The main problem for me was rather the story being to lopsided, rather than the twist being bad.

Lots of areas have sections that look like paint strokes, you find dried up paint everywhere and Alicia's poem about those who know not that they are not should raise some suspicion. The heavy handed hint by Sophie right in the start of the game should be the clue to be critical of what you see.
>>739680202
You're supposed to be wondering why a fucked up version of Maelle wearing a mask is hanging with the dude who killed everyone.

>>739680551
That’s a reasonable assumption, part of me thought it was like the seneschal from dragons dogma.

>>739679285
I'm sorry you don't understand Verso.

>>739680474
>You have one of Renoirs constructs in your party the entire fucking game and he never once clues you in
why would he
>that was verso, wasn'it it? renoir?
use your imagination a bit

>>739680856
>im sorry you don’t understand this character that barely speaks during his act and only gets his reveal in act 3

Insufferable.

>>739670046
the game was ruined before that.
E33 is a disappointing pile of shit that does nothign with the things it sets up in the beginning. it completely abandons its premise.

>>739680989
verso is acting extremely sus the whole time and pretends to not know shit when he obviously does

if you're not suspicious of him you must be a retard

>>739681276
Again, that doesn’t hint towards the world being fake, that hints towards verso being more involved with the state of the world than he’s willing to let on. How am I supposed to extrapolate him acting cagey and the act 3 reveal? It’s absurd. The more reasonable assumption is he tapped into the same shit that made Renoir immortal and he feels guilty because of it.

Even if we just say the act 3 reveal was perfectly orchestrated and plotted it’s still not a very good twist because it invalidates the last 30 or so hours of playtime. Any story that goes “actually all that shit you did doesn’t matter and this is the REAL game” is bad by default because it wasted my time. Essentially there’s no reason to even engage with the world because it’s all fake, you might as well just rush to the ending because doing the side content is pointless.

>>739681809
it's your typical artificial life is still life and has worth in it theme, wtf are you talking about Old Renoir even did agree that the painting and living beings in it have value, but nonetheless he stands on his decision. The main hint is painted Alicia's monologue before painted Renoir.

>>739670046
They let a woman write it, what did you expect. It's a miracle it managed to be decent. But it's bleeding vagina writing, unavoidably

>>739672151
The peak is when he goes to Alicia, tells her he didn't deliver the letter she begged him to deliver since she cannot speak, and she kills herself just to hurt him for it. And that's an optional area!

>>739672998
No retard, it's just a post-modernist plot

>>739681809
like i said, they don't spell it out, but there are hints

you need to take all of them in and try to come up with a theory that fits

>>739680474
Sounds like you missed something somewhere along the line. Verso is one of Aline's constructs, not Renoir's. And he is literally Renoir's son, the Renoir you are talking about at least who we see throughout the game, because he too is a construct, and Aline painted them as a family.

>>739670046
Mogged by in media res. Hate to see that

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What is /v/ opinion on Maelle?

>>739685165
needs to go home

>>739676369
You fucked up the spoiler tags

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Reminder that Ubisoft had the creator of this working on DLC gacha slop and they're so mad he branched on and did his own thing and become successful at it that they hired jeets to shitpost the game on every platform

>>739685165
She's not a child, but she still needs some correction

>>739670046
my main problem with act 3 is how is the most dense in terms of story but is also the shortest
it feels so rushed, is literally just one boss fight very straight forward, and if you try to explore the world before you just become way overpower
act 3 is surely a fall off, would be one of my favorites vidya if it wasnt for it
>>739670615
the other party members that were just forgotten and didnt even have a saying in anything in act 3

>>739670046
>Act 3 of E33 almost ruined the game
Only if you're dumb and can't have two stories existing in your mind at the same time.
Which seems to be pretty common for a lot of people, so maybe it's actually an issue.

>not real
dumb

>>739671296
the writers are the actual writers of the game

>>739676801
Yes, literally dozens of memorable lines.
If you're going to give someone flowers, you should pobably do it before they wither and die
I never faulted you for wanting to believe. You're fighting to change things.
"Only you could choose empathy at a moment like this." "It's one of the few choices I can make." "I couldn't do it." "That's okay, you don't have to."
You do that, we both die.
"Fuck the mission! Fuck the mission, Lune! What are we gonna do, take down the Paintress, just the three of us? My, my, my gun and your sparks?"
"Geez, you don't need to be so rude." "No no no, it's just, it's the password." "Well I don't know, Golgra never told me the password."
"He believes his immortality is a gift from the Paintress. Killing her would kill him too and he enjoys living forever." "And you don't?" "Burying everyone you know while you live on can weigh you down a bit."
We need to continue. Maelle, you know what we must do. When one falls... come on.
"Out of the question. I will never join you again." "There will be a lot of fighting though." "Oh yeah, that's true." "Yeah it's true." "There will be a lot of fighting." "Exactly." "Count me in then." "Good." "Good." "Good."
"It's done. You're free. You are all free."
"Wanna plant it?" "But presumably, there will be no one coming after right?" "It's symbolic."
Your mother paints life whilst your father death. What will you paint?
You will smile the brightest smile. You will cry iridescent tears.
It's not make believe. It's not, you're not, to me.
"We both deserve to fly. Let me give you a new beginning." "Send me to my family."
What life? My life of loneliness in a shell of a body, with no voice and no future?

>>739670160
No it wouldn’t. It would be considered a good game in a sea of good or great games.

>>739670165
Nobody gives a fuck about that, Mr. Troon.

>>739679396
it hints at it multiple times in act 1 with every nightmare scene and when painted renoir tries to force her out of the painting after killing gustave

>>739670710
They would still live inside a vulnerable canvas though.

>>739671296
I kinda hope the sequel is about the writers. And then the third (hopefully final game) brings it all together and is about the war.

>>739676396
>good thing I watched someone else eat ice cream so I never have to do it myself

Why are zoomers like this?

>>739676847
>I don’t know what you mean. I ate breakfast this morning…

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>>739690957
>Watch tiktok compilation of horror games EPIC moments
>Heh, those games aren't scary at all.
The amount of times people ruin shit for themselves is astonishing. Either looking up entire guides to vidya before they even install it or go in with a half baked opinion already. Tons of anons here ruined Signalis for themselves because of the cancerous fanbase for instance

>>739691331
I'm extremely glad I somehow have the autism to not even see trailers and go in almost every game fully blind. I manage to experience undertale completely blind and am very proud of that. I also haven't played delta rune yet and I'm not spoiled.

The downside is that I have no idea about games releasing and I probably missed a lot of hidden gems like talos principle 2 which I somehow completely oversaw and only played last month, despite being a fan of the first game.

>>739670046
Maelle gets an absolutely huge area devoted to her (Reacher), while Lune gets a tiny level and one boss battle, Monoco gets a short area with another Golgra fight,. Sciel gets a cuscene with Esquie.

I would have preferred Lune be the party leader after Gustave's death and lean into Verso being ambiguous. The game goes out of its way to show everything from his perspective, at the expense of the painted people.

>>739677772
The current /v/ meta is that if a game is inexplicably good, it pisses people off even more than if it was just a bad game.
People on /v/ don't want games to be good. They want to seethe, complain about "the casuals", complain about Reddit, complain that there aren't enough panty shots or breedable waifus, complain about trannies and indie games made by pretentious retards who don't know what they're doing, complain about high price tags DLC and gacha mechanics, complain about DMCAs and DRM and publishers behaving like jackasses, and if a game somehow avoids all of these pitfalls, that just makes /v/ furious. You've taken from them that little dopamine hit they get where they say "everything sucks. There are no good games made in the current year". And you've taken from them their little rage bait screen cap opportunities that they farm for Twitter.