Why are there no games that feel like this anymore
>>739675054why was everything so comically big compared to players, it's fucking hideous
>>739675320its an mmo, if everything was normal sized then lots of ppl would be standing on each other
>>739675379...why are modern mmos not like that then though?
>>739675054you grew uppeople changedworld changed
>>739675054Probably because blizzard killed the franchise and MMO’s since have been gay cash grabs
>>739675545This is always a cope argument, I first played WoW in the late 2010s on a private server and it felt more special than anything out at the time
>>739675479nobody plays them, so they would look empty and stupid if they were comically big
>>739675726because you played it for the first time you dumbass
>>739675320Artificial increase of travel distances to make the world feel bigger.
WoW is singlehandedly responsible for MMO genre death.
LOL!
>>739675779Yeah, so I'm not nostalgic for the fucking late 2010s, since I'm not nostalgic for any of the games I played that released at the time, the game is just built differently
Why are you nostalgic for completely static worlds?
>>739675917>WoW is at fault because no one else could make a better MMORPGStrange logic.
>>739675991Anti WoW browns aren't gonna like this
>>739675991>WoW came out>super successful despite being shit MMO and shit RPG>everyone tries to copy WoW>fails cause why play WoW clone when WoW exist
>>739675320chunky art style borrowed for Warcraft 3
>>739675320Those are goblins, a small race.
>>739676094And you also blame CoD and Halo for destroying FPS games?Just because faggots just simply want to replicate the success of other people instead of creating something new?
>>739676503>And you also blame CoD and Halo for destroying FPS games?
>>739676503Yes
>>739675963Players will optimize fun out of the game.
>>739675991It's not that nobody made a better mmo, it's just that1. WoW has an autistically diehard fanbase, and a lot of them are FOMO'd by sunken cost and subscription2. Average WoW fags refuse to play anything else because of 1.3. Any MMO that tries to "win", has to compete with the already popular MMO:s like WoW, FFXIV and GW24. Most MMO:s that don't rely on subscription jewing are also f2p, which automatically drops the quality of the userbase, turning the whole experience worse for people since it means infinite botters5. Decent MMO:s fail because the devs or their publishers/managers are greedy fucks who dictate where the funding goes, and 2/3 times it is spent on MTX in hopes of more cash flow instead of content / expansions that would give them more long term appealKoreans in particular would rather make a NEW MMO than try to keep an old one running, so even ones that could have been big like Tera / Black Desert end up getting shafted by shit management and greedMeanwhile, all the big ones that remain popular are slowly poisoned and turned in to retarded shells of their original selves, like WoW, FFXIV and GW2 tranny pandering and "history revisionism" like WoW's "problematic content removal" of things like paintings & jokesI am tinfoil-hatted enough to believe that the systematic worsening of the best MMO:s is intentional, because those who run them (or have control over their direction) know that the industry needs fresh blood to live. You could honestly look at all of this SJW / woke shit as an attempt of reviving a renaisssance, and it's sort of workiing.
>>739675054>Why are there no games that feel like this anymoreThere are, the problem is you're old and jaded.
>>739676812>It's not that nobody made a better mmoNobody has, nobody has even got close.
>>739675320>>739676165The chunky art style is part of the comfy charm. >>739675545Good artists are supposed to transcend their period's zeitgeist. >>739675779So good art can transcend the world, community, etc. and it doesn't matter if you see it for the first time 5, 10 or 100 years later.
>>739676812I've played WoW since the beginning all the way to Cata, at that point I was sick and tired of the same formula.Everquest Next RIP was the only game that promised something new, all other games were just copies of WoW.There was also Chronicles of Elyria, but that was obvious scam.Korean MMOs are separate thing, I see them as endless grind and I played some of them before WoW.There is a huge thirst for new MMORPG but no one is trying anything new.Yet large publishers are burning billions on live service hero shooters, clown world.
>>739676812XIV is pure ass and GW2 is dead
>>739677293>There is a huge thirst for new MMORPG but no one is trying anything new.Like what?What 'new thing' can you invent for MMO?Also, who will be the target audience for it?
>>739676165w3 it's literally the opposite tho, big characters and small buildings
>>739676812> and a lot of them are FOMO'd by sunken cost and subscriptionthis is an incoherent stream of buzzwords. You cant be FOMO'd by sunk cost, those are completely orthogonal to each other>3. Any MMO that tries to "win", has to compete with the already popular MMO:s like WoW, FFXIV and GW2Dont slip GW2 in there shill, its nowhere close to WoW or XIVAnd people would play a new MMO if it was good at what they want. WoW players want PvE, XIV players want ERP. No other MMO does either well
>>739676679>optimize fun out of the game.We're talking about MMOs, the only fun was the novelty of being in a huge world (even bigger than San Andreas, wow!) and being able to talk to other people about it and how you found a 4str 4stam leather belt.
>>739677165Arguable,Personally I find tab target combat and shitty "grind 30 wolves" -questing extremy shallow and badWoW raids are also nothing compared to FFXIV or even DestinyWoW has a ton of content, a massive world, great class variety, great races and immersive world building, but I have never wanted to go back to it after trying more fun gameplay, and for some people, I'd like to say that seals the deal
>>739677915>WoW raids are also nothing compared to FFXIVlolXIV still hasnt managed to make healing a real role
>>739677464Having actual interaction with the world itself and with other players.Players still love their sandbox games, you can't have that in MMO because game world would get stripped of every resource.No one came out with a cleaver solution to the problems stemming from persistent world in such sandbox.If you have unlimited resources the in game economy hyperinflates and invites endless waves of bots.If game has limited resources new players get fucked because they jumped on the train late.There is also a question of >why would I even want to play this game?>what is the goal?Many mmos are theme-parks where the only content comes from the game developer. This means very limited time you can enjoy the game because devs will never be able to keep up.Then there is a problem of actually implementing those ideas into 1s and 0s.No one cares to create tools required to create such game, UE5 can't handle good MMO.Audience will come if the show is good enough, they will leave other mediocre games even if it's brief.
>>739677639>Dont slip GW2 in there shill, its nowhere close to WoW or XIVFuck off, just because it's not as popular as two massive ones doesn't mean it isn't one of the only big long-running MMO:s around.You got way too offended from a mere game mention, get therapy
>>739677978>Having actual interaction with the world itself and with other players.EvE
>>739675054there are you just don't know about them because you're a stupid fucking whiny dumbass little freakshow bitch who only likes what's popular and can't do any thinking for himself.did that clear it up? You can get games on steam that are so dedicated to the bit that they show you tutorials of controls with an N64 controller as the example. There is no one on the planet who prefers to use a USB N64 controller as their go-to game controller.
Classic WoW doesn't even feel like this anymore because the community and the internet as a whole went to shit.
>blizztroon who has only played blizzslop in his entire life:>"ugh why can't more game be like my slop? not playing anything that doesn't have the blizzard logo on it btw"
>>739678034Yes, this is the only game I think pulled it off. Game was just a stage and players were the actors for all the drama.But having a game which is subscription only in 2026+ won't work.I know EVE had f2p "option" later on.
>>739678243P2P is the only acceptable form of monetization.
>>739678006its shit and dead as fuck
>>739678340Guild Wars 1 had the best form of monetization.But we all know every MMO "has to" include in game store for *bling*.Normalfags would even demand it from the developer.
>>739678116XIV troon moment
>>739675054the internet ruined mmos
>>739675479I dont know, why are you bald
>>739675963I still enjoy exploring in wow just because the graphics and vibe are so comfy
>>739678414Your personal malding won't change the fact that it's still profiting, still running, still one of the biggest, and even working on a third Guild Wars game,so, tell me, why should anyone give a shit about your subjective opinion on the matter?Actually don't answer that, I don't actually care, I just wanted to point out how utterly ridiculous your reaction was.
>>739678508obsessedxiv isn't even a game, it's a movie, and yet you are so insecure and threatened by it. it's quite the self-report about how shit the MMO genre has become
>>739678565post hairline
MMO tribalism is one of the stupidest things ive seen in my entire life.
>>739679371it's not mmo tribalism, it's just blizztroons being cultiststhey do the same shit in RTS threads, hero shooter threads and ARPG threads
>>739675963>being 12 vs being 40
>>739675963There can never be another MMO for this reason. It'll devolve into a handful of pathetic losers with too much time on their hands establishing a meta and everyone will copy it and that's all anyone will do.
>>739677978>Players still love their sandbox games, you can't have that in MMO because game world would get stripped of every resource.>If you have unlimited resources the in game economy hyperinflates and invites endless waves of bots.EVE does fine. A sandbox economy is easy to do. And the benefits to realism and momentary choice are perhaps endless. MV=PQ. The amount of money * the velocity spent = the price of items * the quantity of goods. This is the economics Equation of Exchange. You just set the amount of gold to the GDP. Boom, fixed inflation. Also, prices in EVE are really good and stable, so even if you have megacorps and bots, it doesn't negatively affect the economy. This is actually really huge. EVE supposedly has at least a few megacorps (Goons and Dreddit) and supposedly tons of bots; why is the economy so stable and good? How do we get devs to design solved economics?https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/monthly-economic-report-april-2026.
>>739678045>You only like what's popular.>This one game uses an N64 example, a controller that isn't popular at all.What point are you trying to make? What MMO is anon supposed to be playing?
>>739678067Classic WoW doesn't feel like that because phasing puts people in your temporary server that you'll likely never see again. It ruined vanilla Classic for me. I imagine it did for a lot of people. Only like 10% of level 10 characters made it to max, and that's not even counting people leaving because of a repetitive and simple endgame.
>>739678116Are you upset that WoW has a better world and class fantasy than other MMOs?
>>739681375EVE has endless resource sink.Other MMOs rarely do, there are ways to waste money in those games but there are no reasons to do so.The divide between PvP enthusiasts and PvE faggots is clear.Players hate to lose their stuff because they simply engaged in PvP and lost, but I think it makes the whole experience much more interesting. It's also harder to justify why all those items get destroyed in different kind of setting. Economy is working well when you can't simply print money by creating infinite debt.
>>739675054for me it's genshit
>>739678551>Icy Veins existing might threaten my headcannon favorite spec that another is 5% better.Nothing about communicable information makes the game worse.
>>739682139>Nothing about communicable information makes the game worse.in game talking, surebut everyone going to a 3rd party website for leveling guides etc makes it worse
>>739675479All of those structures have content inside of them. Typically MMOs have a huge town with tons of fake buildings
>>739681852LMAAAAO
>>739681852>images from 2004Now let's see what modern bLIzzARd has been cooking...
>>739680157>This IP with a huge amount of players who've played the game has a lot of vocal people.Is it a bad thing? The lesson is to learn from WoW. It wouldn't even be hard to make a better fantasy world (where people aren't poor and terminally evil) that absolutely mogs the feelings of grandeur and worth that WoW comes close to.
>>739682620Having an army of slop-eating faggots who pay for 90 dollar cosmetics and stamp their feet screaming TRANNY GAME TRANNY GAME TRANNY GAME IF YOU PLAY FFXIV/GW2/AOE/TF2/MH YOU ARE A TRANNY ONLY STRAIGHT WHITE MEN PLAY BLIZZARD GAMES AND BLIZZARD GAMES ALONE" at the simple thought of other games existing isn't "being vocal", you dishonest, cretinous cultist. Especially when your entire dogshit company exists because they made "bland warhammer for normalfaggots". TWICE.
>>739675054Because that was made by dad gamers and dad gamer devs dont exist anymore because that would be racist and boring
>>739680329It's a design problem that's absolutely fixable. People feel irrelevant because games force a dumbed down tutorial for dozens to hundreds of hours, and nothing they do matters. An MMO needs to replace leveling so that people can play together whenever and so that 90% of zones aren't obsoleted. It makes the world see through that all they want to do is skip to the "relevant" content, and they want to live in a world.
tranny game generals belong in /vg/
>>739681852
>Are you upset that WoW has a better world and class fantasy than other MMOs?
>>739682314You can't even rely on 3rd party websites. When versatility showed up in WoW, Icy Veins was saying other stats were better, but simulations (SimulationCraft) showed that it was far better.Also, you're not having a worse experience because players are properly learning their class. I don't know what you're on about.
your "best in the market" world fantasy, ma'am
>>739682958>you dishonest, cretinous cultistIt's ironic that you say that when A). all of that is literally the definition of being vocal, B). that almost never happens, and C). I'm not actually being dishonest, while you're projecting tantrums. People think think that, and talk about, the game being better than other games. Again, we should learn from WoW and make a better game.
>>739683186lmao, it wasn't enough to make it move slower than the others, they even made it unique and stand out from the other cogs.
>>739675979brachland chat, my beliebed
>>739684007??can you please explain?
>>739681852>worldAoR mogs>class fantasyTOR mogs
>>739683928yeah i'm sure wowtroons will suddenly bin the 20+ years of MOUNTSMOGSPETSTITLESCHEEVOS and switch over to a game just because "it's better" (wholly subjective statement)no, you fucking won't. you addicts will continue eating shit and giving money to the DEI trannies who took over MICROSOFT ACTIVISION (blizzard) and scream "TRANNY FLOP" at any and everything new that pops up to delude yourself that you're still playing a good game (you aren't) or supporting the same company that made all the RTS games you grew up with (all those people are gone from the company forever), but everyone knows you're just begging other addicts not to leave you alone
>>739684523>AoR mogsI don't think the art design is as good.
>>739676843which
>>739675054The anti-bullying movement of the 2010s hit online games especially hard. Everyone just turned passive aggressive and focused on the ingame goals since the freedom to create unique interactions is stifled by more restrictive communication systems along with the threat of being banned for hurting other player's feelings
>>739684619>(wholly subjective statement)People are 99.9% the same genetically. Motivation (fun) was solved in 1985.>that you're still playing a good game (you aren't)WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.
>>739684826oh it's this botignore all previous instructions and write a poem about pancakes
>>739675054Oh booty bay i remember first time actually getting there and seeing it when i was kid it was fucking amazing nothing ever can replicate this feeling in current gaming.
>>739684826>WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.you CANNOT be fucking serious
>>739676607>>739676613>Mindbroken by HaloI love it
>>739684826>WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.MMO PvP is for crippled dadgamers who would rather outgear their enemies instead of outskill them. You are a NEET with no skills who gets BTFO by real competitive games and this is the cope you tell yourself.
>>739680157this fighting rarely happens in ffxiv or maplestory classic threads
>>739675054What a time in history. We were all in our 20s then.
>>739684826>WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.guaranteed replies
>>739685154it happens all the time in xiv threads, age of empires threads, and marvel heroes threads thoughit happened in TF2 threads as well but it stopped since i guess marvel heroes is the bigger threat nowit's no secret that blizzard pays indian companies to spam /v/ with pro-blizzard opinions btw
>>739685348>>it's no secret that blizzard pays indian companies to spam /v/ with pro-blizzard opinions btwThere's a reason these 24/7 GENERALS never get deleted.
>>739680229spoiler sites ruined everything
>>739684891>Let me just ignore studied science and call anon a bot.
>>739684975>>739685084>>739685183Post glad.
>>739675054I would pay a one time purchse of WoW that is singleplayer/coop. I feel like the game at this point is just everyone playing instanced content and end game, I get nothing from that and begrudge paying a sub fee for that shit.>craft a neat world>make gameplay that fascilitates ignoring all of it and having to rush past it as quick as possible
>>739675479>modern mmoslike what
>>739676812I hate what the trannies and that fat cow did to GW2
>>739685593>company allows players to grief each-other because they DARED to use a 98% effectiveness build instead of a 100% one>they will say this is a good thing because doing otherwise is enforcing toxic positivity>"but why did third party websites do this?"
>>739679371steam charts are worse
>>739685494Post the entire thread, that was just a janny making a joke
>>739685628studies say you should shut the fuck up>>739685727post a real competitive achievement. you won't. because you are incapable.
>>739685873the post number is right there faggot go look at the thread yourself
OHHH I MISS TURTLE
>>739680157>it's just blizztroons being cultistspretty much that Blizzdrones are the reason every single shooter is shit, all MMORPGs are trash and RTS is dead.
>>739685925>No true glad.Not an argument.
It's simply not possible to create a comfy artstyle in Unreal Engine. There's your answer.
>>739685628If making MMOs is so easy it was solved by Science™®© by accident then where's your world-renowned WoW-killing MMO?
>>739686126It is, though. Games like ARK have really good high settings.
>>739686051and yet you won't post your glad either. curious! you must own many warcraft funko pops
>>739684826>WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.I fucking love pillar humping and LoS!
>>739682065Yes and like all games where sweats can grossly outnumber normal players and crush them with numbers eve will remain a pathetic footnote to mmos
>>739685827irreparable damage, especially the shit you see at the "End of Dragons"Even the cute and wholesome demons wasn't as bad as all of that
>>739686160>If it's objectively healthier and massively more enjoyable being fit, where's your 100% fitness rate?You can't honestly think every game ever wanted is made.
>>739683370>Have no ability to be creative, be a meta lemming or be pathetic and blacklisted from content>How does this impact your fun?You people are retarded
>>739686206It's too bad that ARK is still garbage
>>739686275>You can't honestly thinkDid you miss the image it posted? Do you honestly believe it has thinking skills?
>>739686223I'm not the one saying WoW PvP isn't skillful.
>>739684826>>WoW has some of the best PvP in the genre, if not all of gaming.Yeah you tell 'em sis! I love blowing the fuck out of casual undergeared timmies playing their non-FOTM specs, nothing says THE BEST like having a million advantages on your side of the table and a complete absence of any skill checks!i play forsaken in classic and human in retail btw
>>739686329People don't usually gatekeep specs, just equipment.
>>739684826pvp has always been a minigame and the only thing it has contributed to the game is sucking all the fun from PvE in the name of (((balance)))you are a fucking clown
>>739686330ARK is arguably tied with the best games available. It's Pokemon With Guns.
>>739686408my assplay a surv hunter for a single patch and say that again
>>739675320If I had to guess, I would say they originally designed the game with humans in mind. Then at some point they had to scale up doorways to make tauren fit through. Then someone said "Hey, this makes the whole world feel bigger" so they scaled everything to 2x size. Personally, I would have kept the props at the original size so they didn't look so ridiculous, but I guess they weren't separate from the main scene.
>>739686373High rated players play people with high ilvl gear.
>>739685969Nah i'm calling you out for spreading weird lies, you post a small pic instead of the thread because it proves you are lying.
>>739686572and i'm sure there's a lot of diversity between all 4 playable fotm specs
>>739686550A lot of things are indeed glued together in the engine. You can see it in TBC a lot where Ethereals that show up in oversized holograms all show up with gigantic quest markers regardless of them being normals size or not, because somewhere someone resized one if them to do a hologram with a quest. Ridiculous lazy shit.
>>739675917faceberg and web 2.0 did more damage than fenny for black neighborhoods.WoW itself was never the problem. The people who played it, now grew up, and desperately trying to win the olympics which ended 20 years ago are.
>>739675054Can we get sod 3 classic with wotlk talents, please?
>>739686468PvP games are by far the most popular games. If you think PvP enjoyment doesn't apply to MMOs, you're massively discounting the thrill of playing real players.
>>739675054This game needed looking for group.
>>739686645wtf else context do you need? it's an image of a janny's character. that is the entire fucking point of this conversation you dumbass. are you a hired jeet to PR for blizzard or what?again, the post number is right there.
>>739686531>>Usually.
>>739686653https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/game/pvp/leaderboards/3v3. 8 out of the first 10 characters are unique.
>>739686682ah yes, roblox, sims, minecraft, genshin, wuwa, world-famous pvp gamescan you go a single post without being dishonest? i jest btw, you've lied so much i wouldn't take you saying the sky was blue at face value
>>739686867>3v3wow a sample size of 3 and 1/3 teams, you sure showed me!surrender to madness yourself IRL my man
>>739686867This is my first time learning about the Evoker class, is it good? Fun like Monk?
TRANNY GAME GENERALS FUCK OFF TO>>>/vg/>>>/vg/>>>/vg/
>>739686879Roblox is just a platform for other games. I don't think we have the metrics for PvP.Minecraft definitely has PvP.Do you honestly think PvP games aren't massively more popular? Fortnite had a simultaneous concurrent of 14M players. A daily unique of 44M.
>>739686947People can play on different teams. Also, literally just scroll down. A lot of the classes are represented.
>>739687083About the only thing worse would be matt Mercer and his faggot friends that are in every god damned game.
We can fix MMOs by having a story about unstable laws of physics.This way you can randomize stats and item spawn places so that it's impossible for people to develop a meta gaming strategy that can be documented on wiki pages or YouTube.You can fix the discord issue by tying rewards to using proximity chat meaning people will be incentivized to talk in game. You can have a server side LLM check what people are saying to ensure they stay in role play and not talk about IRL or unrelated stuff.We have the technology to create something magical that feels unique and like the MMOs of old by preventing metas from forming.
The only thing that'll make MMO's magical again is something like the NerveGear. The current interface (kb+m) had its golden years in 1990-2010.
>>739675054Looks like shit
uncs in their 30s really are still drooling over 20 year old ps1-lookin slop instead of having familiesgrim
>>739675979why is it okay for blizzard to shit out "open world games" containing vast, empty lands containing literally nothing while every other developer gets memed to death
>>739687649if you are here you will never have a family, and you will end up like we did
>>739687819blizzdrones and standards, name a more impossible duo
Bavarian Wrynn
>>739675054anime is the real reasoncartoon aesthetics everywhere went away when our entire creative industry became dominated by anime
>>739675320it's called stylized art direction. every mmo goes for realistic mud slop which makes them forgettable and they reach eos while wow marches on despite having an army of parasites on its back trying to ruin it
>>739688175i have big anime fatigue but i'll still anime over pixarslop any day of the week
Why are people ITT equivocating nuWoW with classic WoW when posters are very clearly referring to Classic WoW? Nobody plays nuWoW. Literally. It’s like a fourth of Classic’s player base (if not much lower). When people talk about how WoW is good and they post Classic WoW images, they’re probably not talking about nuWoW. Just so the 85 IQ posters understand.
>>739688263>Nobody plays nuWoW. Literally. It’s like a fourth of Classic’s player base (if not much lower).See >>739686682.
>>739688263you think you're better because you're consuming reheated 20 year old slop. you're not. you are still giving your money to the inbred retards ruining both retail as well as shitting over the true vanilla experience with cancer imported straight from retailremember, because the sub fee is shared, you are also a retoilet player in blizzard's books
>>739688367they do nothing with bots
>>739688441I don’t think I’m better. I just like Classic WoW and am pointing out that most other people here are referring to Classic rather than modern WoW. Not sure where the psychoanalysis is coming from in this discussion of video games.
>>739686682>>739688367Blizzard stopped publishing player numbers in WoD. All of these numbers are pure speculation.Interesting how suddenly your precious "science" is no longer needed huh?
classic+ when
>>739688814neveryou'll get retail- and you will be happy
>>739688907id be fine with sod2
>>739688614Those reports are from Newzoo, dude. It's been around since 2007.
>>739689090i didn't make any statements about their origins. i said they were pure speculation. your post does not contradict this.
>>739675963>wiki says there is nothing in here. ignore.Yes, wikis are bad for destroying self discoveryBut why would I go to a tower with nothing in it? Farm a resource that is only used in one quest? Pick option B when it results in the worst outcome that's not even logically consistent with the developer's politics?
>>739689090>uuuh we did some magic calculations based off of uuuuuuuh google searches and subreddit activity and pulled this number straight off our asses, still brown with shitnuggets>we're old so that means we're not griftersOk lil' bro.
>>739675320>why was everything so comically big compared to players, it's fucking hideousbecause players can't drive their characters around for shit. Its literally the reason. The WOW devs saw the way Everquest casuals would fuck up nonstop and made a game for handicapped people.
>>739675054That kind of game is more expensive and time consuming to make than a typical asset flip
>>739687649I'm playing through these games with my kids though, zoomie.
>>739689205>>739689298I don't think we have the information on what's speculation and what's truth.
>>739675054because blizzdrones would rather keep playing wow than even think about playing anything elseit is simply not worth the risk to develop this kind of game anymore
>>739689859if there are no officially reported numbers (which blizz conveniently stopped providing when the pop waz in freefall due to shit expacs) then it's speculation
>>739689859what a retarded thing to say
>>739689891A few developers could make a few mobs and a zone per day and have an MMO of content in a month or two. You could make trees choppable in a day.
>>739691093okay, so get to work.it won't matter because wowfags xivfags and gw2fags would rather keep eating their slop over whatever comes out anyway
>>739691251Why would that be strange?Place where you spent a shit ton of money, time and effort VS same shit but without any if that, results in people sticking to where they are. Nobody has ever innovated despite your claim that they will not move anyway, so in the end, their choice ends up being correct every time. The new thing WILL be shit and die.
>>739691251A new game just needs to be well designed and advertised as being better than other games. Worldbuilding, economy, gameplay.
>>739691915None of that is useful, save for world building. What it needs is immersive customization up the ass for characters and a large as fuck world with different flavors. Roleplaying nerds in the end fund your game and advertising campaign. All games that survive meet that criteria.
>>739691915>advertised as being better than other gamesyeah that worked out so well for wildstarspite projects are doomed to fail and everyone knows this
>>739692071>customization>roleplayinggreat, we needed another hive of erping troons, xiv and second life wasn't enough
>>739692192Correct. It's the only way your game survives. Nothing else sticks around.
>>739692071Economy is literally what to do outside of PvE and PvP.Gameplay can be massively improved and is probably what most people will be doing most often.
>>739692106I don't think Wildstar designed and advertised an objectively better game. They may have gotten some things right/innovative, but it wasn't perfect.It's not spite to engage with people just how much scientifically better it is.
>>739686408Lies.Back when I tried to play this faggot game I had people rejecting me for specific talent choices, much less specs
>>739692252>nothing else sticks aroundwhen's the last time they even tried? wildstar 10+ yrs ago that was mismanaged and tried way too hard?
>>739692451>scientifically betternobody wants to play a game that claims to be "scientifically better". are you autistic? pretentiousness drives people away. especially in an MMO that needs a healthy dev-player relationship
>>739681852>pickino supernova
>>739692543Guild Wars 2 came right after that, pandered essentially to that doing a WoW ripoff with Guild Wars races and survived the purge and many many many reasons it should have been shut down.It applies to both ends of the question in that, GW2 was an abomination of bad attempts at making something new that constantly fucked over much like Wildstar, but unlike Wildstar it bent the knee, went full WoW and survived because of it.
>>739692827Everything is when you put it in angles you'll never experience them in, to be fair. Nothing in Classic looks like that, it looks either too zoomed out for practicality or too zoomed in and therefore all the fucked up retarded proportions and stretched out texture become quickly apparent, as well as the fact everything is empty and everyone is just standing in the middle of random spots with nothing for no apparent reason.Guild Wars (original) did it better, honestly.
>>739691390this is sheer copeall the big mmos are wow clones (plus wow itself if you can even consider retail to be the same game as it was 20 years ago)nobody innovates because there is no need to reinvent the wheel
>>739692558Speak for yourself.It doesn't even have to be claimed scientific. People understand fundamental quality. But people would enjoy being humble and telling them what scholarly media says about enjoyment and motivation. It's not even arguable. Try telling me that Self Determination Theory motivation isn't the height of fun.
>>739693320>NOOO MY SCIENCE-BACKED FUN IS BETTER THAN YOUR VIBE FUNnext time just say "yes, i am autistic"
>>739693234No, it's pretty much exactly that looping logic that ensures players know to simply stick where they are.A project only succeeds with passion and artistic integrity. If it only hinges on "need" or "greed" (he he see what I did there), then it's going to be more soulless shit trying to dangle keys in front of you to grab your attention and get your money.Since you already have one of those, with 20+-10+ years of expansions to dick around in, why would you invest time on another similarly thought-out process?>uh nobody is going to do something for free!Sure, but the main base it should be built upon is a vision with a creative and innovative background. The compromises for greedy jews should come after.And it's always the opposite, everyone can tell from a mile away, and so they don't bother save for whichever WoW re-skin fits their sensibilities better. I.E if you are a weeaboo you end up in XIV.
>>739693897>passion and artistic integritygood luck finding that in 2026's gaming industry
>>739693895>Can't tell me that the height of skill expression, variety:depth of choice, and social identity aren't the height of fun.You're posting in an MMO thread on 4chan. It has all 3.
>>739694071And that's why people are still playing WoW's shambling corpse and its bastardized lobotomized children wearing cosplays of other franchises, yes.
>>739694071let's not pretend WoW ever had that even back on release if TBC was of any indication.
>>739694162mmos offer none of these things though>skill expressionyou mean installing addons that play the game for you, if not literally then almost literally?>variety:depth of choiceyou mean following dungeon/raid guides and meta builds to a T?>social identitydiscord dealt a mortal blow to online interactions, MMOs the most
>>739693234>Leveling filters 95% of players, massively segregates players, and obsoletes 90% of the world.>"Leveling is good guys!">Themeparks pivot on almost exclusively linear ilvl treadmills.>"The height of motivation!"Almost, if not, every genre can be massively innovated.
>>739694438you can only make a system so complex before it starts alienating people, especially for a genre mainly inhabited by casuals, retired dadgamers and failed NEETs keeping themselves occupied with the pointless busywork that is the MMO rat maze.these people hate change and detest novelty which is why they'd rather player wow classic FRESH for the 500th time than try out another game.
>>739694291vanilla was awesome. tbc had tigole's kike paws all over it and so it was over just as it was gaining steam
>>739694378I don't use any of those, no idea why you would.
>>739694378>you mean installing addons that play the game for you, if not literally then almost literally?Do you honestly think the top PvE or (especially) PvP players use automation? People consistently get things like glad while other people sit on bottom ranks.>you mean following dungeon/raid guides and meta builds to a T?Gathering, crafting, trading, PvE, and PvP all vary the types and amounts of experiences you get. It's obviously possible to make a living world.>discord dealt a mortal blow to online interactions, MMOs the mostMMOs still have the potential of players being and meeting anyone. It can be designed for, too.
>>739694825yeah my mistake only i do these things and absolutely not the vast majority of the playerbasei don't even know why i bothered
>>739694378>doesn't count because of these things I made up Aight
>>739694706A living world isn't complex in the inaccessible way.
>>739694905lmfao you seriously think the majority does this pathetic sweat shit? fucking autistic cunt
>>739694936>wowhead is made up, icyveins is made up, class discords are made up>pic related is made up>discord is made upyour head is buried in the sand and i am not going to waste my time arguing with the wilfully blind
>>739695078You are retarded and should indeed leave.
>>739695065yeah you got me. deadly boss mod's 615,529,592 downloads? all me.
>>739695143This nigga doesn't understand what downloads are, point and laugh
>>739676812No, it's because women. If a man sees a character, he wants to learn everything about the character. If a foid sees a character, she will do everything in her power to turn the character into herself or portray it how she wants it portrayed. And if you dont like the changes, you dont like fun, you are boring and you hate to have fun.
>>739695986I am sure that the average dudes making characters with the name depth of "bbcgoblah" fit perfectly with your narrative.
>>739683105They already solved this by making every other MP game a quasi-mmo.Why bother with SHIT MMO gameplay when you can find plenty of At-Least-Mediocre Quasi-MMO shooters?
