The smartest wizard of all time is a pretty woman. Not an old bearded man. How angry does this make you? How emasculated?
>>739680776>pretty
>be powerful wizard, ugly old oji-san>be powerful wizard, can bend reality to my will>use wizard magicks to turn your oji-san body into dragoncrown bigtiddy sorceressthe only wizards still rocking the gandalf look are the ones who want to, or the ones who haven't yet mastered permanent polymorph self
>>739680776Yeah I don't believe you though
>>739680956>he doesn't know what happens to wizards that cast spells on themselves.
>>739680776Not very, she's a horrible leader that broke down at the absolute worst time and barricaded herself away as her kingdom needed her most. Which is pretty consistent with the rest of the womenfolk in the game. If anything, it makes me think none of the women should've had any amount of power.
>>739680776>Most powerful wizard is a woman, Rennala>2nd most powerful wizard is a woman, Ranni>3rd most powerful wizard is a woman, Sellentotal foid victory
>>739681389also the chief god of the world is a literal troon. Elden Ring is woke kino
>>739680776>gets spellmogged by a dude that learned his first spell 5 hours ago
>>739681389>Loses mind after husband leaves>Destroys world to avoid responsibility>Turns herself into a body horror flesh massNot looking so good, chief
>most powerful woman >gets mindbroken by tranny dick
>>739681389If you are counting prime Renalla then then the Primeval sorcerers should be counted as well.1. Ranni in her real body2 and 3. Lusat and Azur before they ascended4. Rennala5. Rellana6. Loretta
>>739680776>>739681389Did you even play this game?The most powerful wizards are explicitly the two ascended crystal Buddha dudes They’re more evolved than anyone else
>>739680776Why is my self-worth tied to other people's accomplishments?
>>739681769you say that as if all the men in the game don't have equally bad if not worse fates
>>739680776>smartest wizard of all time>can't defeat early game Tarnishedjobber
>>739681861Ranni is probably more powerful in her doll form, considering she’s embraced death and transcended it as a ghost. The two grand masters are similarly transcendent to the player.
schizo thread
>>739681892aren't those niggas already croaked as soon as you meet them? Idk maybe they like ascend higher. But it seems like they just die.
>>739681389>defeated by player>fucked by player>surpassed by playertotal player victory
>>739682075They aren’t dead. They’re one step above the Crystalians, who are similarly of a “faint cogitation”, implying they meditate, or just vibe, more than they speak. They’re too enlightened to care. Azur is levitating in meditation the same way the Crystalians are in their crystal groves. Both Azur and Lusat have the same third eye medallion hanging on their headgear to denote their awakened minds or status. Lusat’s third eye became his brain. They’re not even subtle about it. Oh. And their artwork also has them standing upright. They aren’t frozen statues. That’s kind of like arguing that the Crystalians can’t actually move. Of course they can. You fight them. Azur and Lusat are just beyond even that, and you can’t even DO anything to them, similar to how you have to break through into Crystalians. Except you can’t break into these two. But since most ER fans lack lore literacy they think “bro they’re dead bro”.
>>739681861Radhans feat of halting the stars with his gravity magic alone while in a zombified state is way more impressive than anything Loretta or Rellana has done in their entire lifetimes.
>>739681229>Which is pretty consistent with the rest of the womenfolk in the gameAs opposed to the male rulers in the game?
>>739682482That's cool. I like Lusat's big Ottoman crystal onion head. Seems like they have a pretty decent fate compared to everyone else
are you just going to spam this thread every day?
>>739682760Would you rather another “Malenia wrecked Radahn technically” thread?This game is feminist fantasy. Men are weaklings. Women are awesome.
Lusat wasn’t imprisoned he was being kept away from that insane fangirl Sellen loool and Sellen is a schizophrenic or something attributing personalities to rock people lool“I wish to be like the old masters…”“A brain dead rock??”
Radahn is more powerful tho, he's holding the damn stars in place while being consumed by scarlet rot
Did making this thread in /tg/ not do enough for you?
>>739682675>Radagon tried to stop Marika from destroying the Elden Ring>Godfrey ruled justly before Marika told him to fuck off on a conquest>Morgott kept Leyndell safe during the Shattering>Radahn's lands were fine until a toxic bitch came and magically nuked it>Rykard breaks away to form a new kingdom, gets harassed by the Golden OrderYeah. They were actually doing pretty well by comparison.
>>739680776Being a warrior is also complete female coded. The warrior wears a blue sissy dress and uses curved swords with sissy moves.People complain about SotE being a jewish product but ER was like that from the start.
>>739683745Blue is a male coded color, what are you on about?
You try to make this thread every other week, sometimes twice a week. Quit being such a little bitch that Liurnia's best mage was a woman for most of its history.
>>739684246Didn't know Ranni had a penis, nice
>>739682482Their own equipment says the Glintstones ate their brains, anon. Sellen dismantles them too. That's not the same as a Crystalian.
>>739680776Renalla is a cool fight, but the devs themselves dunked on her by giving her a fucking bronze trophy. Like she's a regular enemy. I didn't like that.
>>739683745>ER was like that from the startI mean, the shit was written by a fat jew who'll do anything other than finish his book.
>>739680776Makes me horny for a magic mommy
>>739684595A fat jew who like everyone else who went to college when he did, only really knows how to subvert well known tropes and story telling devices.
>>739684553Her fight is so easy compared to the gate keeping that is margit or Godrick in terms of early game bosses. New players got filtered hard by those two but then you get past them and RL is piss easy in comparison.
>Godwyn>Godrick>Godfrey>Godefroy>Gostoc>Gideon>Marika>Melina>Malenia>Millicent>Miriel>Miquella>Maliketh>Margitt>Margot>Morgott>Mohg>Mohgwyn>Ranni>Renna>Rennala>Rellana>Radagon>Radahn>Rya>Rykard>Rogier>Roderika>Sellen>Seluvis>Varre>Vargam>Vyke
>>739685745Elden Ring is an open world game, so it really just depends on your level which boss is the hardest in early game. Obviously, Margit is THE WALL on purpose to force you to explore (I spent 4 hours fighting the horse dude anyway). Godrick aint that bad tho.
>>739680776she's an autist, that's what actually define a wizard
Giant lady feet
>>739686164An open world game with soft barriers in the various regions having level and upgrade levels you're expected to generally be at by the time you get to them, with other zones being strictly gated off with the various big elevators or in the case of Farum Azula only being accessible in one of 2 ways, one of which you can't get to without using said elevator. It's a surprisingly restrictive open world if you want to actually just explore shit.
>>739680776They're demigods, age isn't relevant, I assume.
Reminder that you don’t need to be a demigod or guzzle runes to become as strong as a demigod. You can just learn sorcery real good. Wizards OP.
>>739686164You can explore but there's definitely an order the game pushes you into by curb stomping you until you realize you should do something else. But once you pass the storm wall, RL is right there in your face and so it would be silly not to go there next. In comparison it's much easier than SVC in terms of mobs and the boss fight.
>>739680776>/v/>NOOO ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A WOMAN TO BE THIS POWERFUL IN WIZARDRY OR WITCHERY OR WHATEVER MAGIC>me>this means she's incredibly thirsty because no males actually dare to approach her since she's way above their paygrade so I have a chance right
“NO TOUCH EGG”
>>739680776I think it makes perfect sense, only a woman could have enough magical thinking to become a master wizard.
The moon - 70 intelligenceThe galaxy - 60 intelligenceThis is just insulting
>>739685804Reminder that he said that his initials being plastered all over ER was "pure coincidence" because>many people around me have names starting with G, R or M, so I subconsciously used names starting with those lettersHe unironically thought ER was going to be some shit in a corner in a gook arcade that nobody will ever know and gimmick'd his initials all over it because of it
>>739680776I have always thought of wizard as a gender neutral term and witch as something separate from wizard so I feel nothing.
>>739682675Considering that every male ruler (even Godrick out of all people) all tried to actually help the people around them, even if they were misguided in doing so or they stumbled while doing so, they were all better rulers than any of the women in the game which all (even fucking Marika) all failed at their jobs thanks to hubris and/or ego which were then only saved by some literal who tarnished that either unfucked their mistakes or went all in on them.
>>739680776Magic is for women. Men use weapons (ranged is gay).
>>739688251Both are gender neutral, witch is just associated with old warty women while wizards are associated with old bearded men.
>>739680776>a mindbroken cuckqueanPowerful. A win for feminism.
>>739686306damn that expression is hot
Actual strongest wizards>1. Miquella>2. Animus Gnoster>3. Radagon>4. Rennala>5. Sir Gideon Ofnir the All Knowing
>>739684553Miyazaki can’t design wizard bosses. He just cannot. He hates them for some reason.
>>739685804lol, never payed attention
>>739688402Yeah exactly
>>739688256bro, godrick was hated so much that even a stupid gatekeeper could only find release by stomping the shit out of his decapitated head
>>739680776Count Ymir taught magic to the Carian so he's above them. Metyr is the strongest.
>>739689024Ymir’s apprentices surpassed him.1. He’s a lousy mini boss just like Gideon (this also confirms Gideon is under Rennala and Rellana).2. His best spell costs significantly less intelligence than the moons. 3. He copes about the moon being just some close celestial body when it’s still more intelligent than his spells. Or the stars. His character is basically proof that the moon is superior to deep space. It’s gay and retarded but Miyazaki loves feminism and Wiccan moon themed female empowerment crap or something.
Are people really this insecure?
>>739681214They grow hair on their palms?
>>739689357It’s bait. The entire game is massively woke/feminist, but people ignored it because it was le unpopular to hate on based FromSlop. The Japs have a pass when they do it, you see. Malenia is the stereotypical red headed lesbian feminist who btfo the strongest male. A feminine tree displaced the masculine sun. The feminine moon/emotion is smarter and more important than the masculine stars/science. Just how blind are people to this game? Even the female enemies are stronger than the male variants.
>>739688981True, he was a massive asshole but his obsession with power was because he wanted to be like daddy dearest and lead a powerful and healthy kingdom he went about it the entirely wrong way and was too much of a pussy to actually do what was needed of him to gain said power so he took shortcuts and acted like a coward all the way to the end. Still better than having a suicidal bitch of a queen that mindbreaks so hard that she lets her entire kingdom literally fall apart around her when she had the power to actually save her kingdom.
>>739689357
>>739689485>A feminine tree displaced the masculine sun.Huh? Trees are masculine and suns are feminine
Canonically, Sir Gideon Ofnir the All-Knowing is a more powerful mage.
>>739680776This doesn't surprise me, men when not given preferential treatment absolutely falters in college settings.
>tranny soul>reddit ringreddit thread
>>739689485>>739689585Discord raiders still seething to this day
>>739689485>Schizo display, exhibit #4
>>739687602You do have a chance considering the only man that we know married her pumped her then dumped her and is now a feral insane cannibal cursed to wander around a tiny desert
>>739689485>Feminist game>Where 90% of the women all fuck up shit beyond repair and have to be saved from themselves>Where the queen bee herself literally throws her husband out of her kingdom before destroying it and desperately starts calling him back home to fix it.Arguably it's 100% since Ranni only succeeds thanks to the bestest boy and (You). The only women who actually succeed with their goals are all player created characters.
I thought Count Ymir was stronger
>>739680776Where did it state she was particularly smart? Hell, Thops was more brilliant, and he didn't depend on a lunar cycle to reach his full power.
>>739689543The sun is masculine in Miyazaki’s mind. See Gwyn. The moon is feminine and emasculating. See Gwyndolin and Seath. Oh, and the Witch of Izalith was clearly more powerful than Seath. In fact in the original version of Dark Souls, only girls would get full access to spells. They cut that out, but partially brought it back in Dark Souls 3, where you need a woman to unlock magic for you.
>>739689741i didnt know this Radagon lore, he's dead and before that stuck inside a tree not a desert
>>739689903Why do you keep using the “it’s a female moment game ackchyually” as though this means women aren’t the more influential of the two? They start civilizations as much as they end them.In the world of Elden Ring, it takes a woman to birth a new age and era. Not a man. They’re secondary. Sidekicks.
>>739689915He is the easiest and weakest mini boss in the game. Even his other student Miriam is 10x more difficult and annoying to face. Why do people think people like Sellen and Ymir or Gideon are superiors to Rennala or Rellana when they don’t even have true boss models? Rennala and Rellana actually have unique boss models.
>>739689543>Huh? Trees are masculine and suns are feminineWhat are you smoking? The sun has never been feminine. It's always been the moon that is seen as feminine in every single culture across the earth. I will give you a hint as to why, it's the phrase, "It's that time of the month." Trees are also considered feminine, because trees are associated with bearing fruit.
>>739689545No he isn’t. Again, he is a lousy mini boss and he doesn’t even use the moon in his fight. This implies he never made it to 70 intelligence. He has comet Azur tho. It’s canon that no (confirmed) male (other than the player - and this is with help) has seen the moon, and as such no male has reached 70 intelligence. Only women have.
>>739690105In-game difficulty doesn’t compare to lore power. Mohg is weaker than 90% of SOTE bosses but in lore, he could beat most of them. He’d only lose to Metyr, Messmer, and Radahn. Yes he’d beat Bayle.
By the way why are Albinauric women hot and the men are all toads?
>>739680776that would be the tarnished
>>739690325only gen 1 women are hot (and the men are grandpas), gen 2 they all became blobs
>>739680776That hat is suspicious.
>>739690025According to the DLC, there were already a thriving civilization that tortured Marikas people for... Shits, giggles and magic I guess? She was the one who supposedly brought the ayy lmaos to the lands between and killed that entire civilization just to be cursed by said civilization into never having normal kids. This seemingly slowly drives her to madness as she uses almost every male character in the lore in order to actually get her kingdom going, without Godfrey or her (supposedly) firstborn son Messmer she would have never succeed at doing any of it.If the the feminist message in the game is "For a woman to succeed, it takes her womb and better men" then congrats, this is the most feminist game on the market currently.
>>739690239I just looked it up and apparently the moon is half and half across the globe. This means women merely pretend that the moon is feminine/womanly. They keep hijacking our shit. Thoth-megistus (the biggest god of magic in the west, or indeed ever, if you consider its influence on western esoteric thought and the impact it had on white man’s scientific ascension) is the god of the moon and stars. The god of the moon in Japan is male. The moon god in Norse (which is a feminine mythos) is a dude. Men were the ones who used the moon and the sun and the stars as guides to measure and understand the heavens. The sky is masculine, the earth is feminine - and even then the earth and all its resources and materials are seen as manly and masculine once industry and infrastructure is involved. This is why men like insects so much, because they see females being infrastructural in the micro world where females are larger and more aggressive and more impressive.
Plants are womanly now? Did we just forget the Green Man?
>>739690239The moon is feminine but so is the sunTrees are masculinethe sea is masculine too btw. As are mountains
>>739690545Messmer is her confirmed child btw, he even has a statue of her with baby him in his palaceThere's a fun theory that the Tarnished is one of the discarded sons/daughters of Marika sent to those walking mausoleums, which explains the intro noises + your ability to kill demigods/gods + Marika guiding you with Grace since the very beginning to put an end to her misery
>>739690290>he doesn’t even use the moon in his fight. This implies he never made it to 70 intelligence. He completely denounced the moon so he’d have no interest in it.Unrelated but in Elden Ring, all the actual strongest sorcerers are Int/Fth except for Ranni. Radagon/Marika and Miquella are the most prominent figures in the game for a reason. Rellana is int/fth can she can cast two moons, making her stronger than Rennala because more moons = more power unless you’re Ranni who can just one shot you I guess (Ranni is a girlboss character)
>>739680776This is no long an AI ragebait thread, this is an Elden Ring lore thread. So how were the stargazers related to the mountaintop giants and why did Renalla descend from said mountains to found the Carians?
>>739690753>He completely denounced the moon so he’d have no interest in it.I was talking about Gideon there, not Ymir, although I doubt Ymir has reached 70 INT. Rennala and her sister saw the twin moons as children, implying they were geniuses as kids. They had 70 INT as little girls.
>>739690820Rennala wasn’t from the mountaintops she just travelled there. Sorcerers travel. Her family heritage is from there though.
Azur and Lusat won’t have beards though. Not anymore. It seems that they lost their hair follicles after becoming silicon.
>>739690903Astrologers originated from the mountaintops.
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>>739690752Who is Messmers dad anyway? Is it Hoarah Loux before he renames himself to Godfrey, is it some unknown dude or is it whatever the fuck that snake [stand] is supposed to be? Last thing I heard she supposedly fucked a snake which is why we found the snake skin close to her old village.
>>739690545>She was the one who supposedly brought the ayy lmaos to the lands betweenThe Greater Will was explicitly already involved before Marika ascended.
I think Everdark Libra is the strongest sorcerer but only because that fight pissed my friend group and I off. But he can summon infinite recluses which have Rennala’s moon spell, so maybe I’m onto something here.
>>739690752>walking mausoleums, which explains the intro noises + your ability to kill demigods/gods + Marika guiding you with Grace since the very beginning to put an end to her miseryYou are, explicitly, a member of Godfrey's clan. He and his descendants were sent across the fog (to the mortal world) where you fought and died, whereupon you would return to the lands between. The Tarnished is a descendant of Godfrey
>>739690903>>739691316Judging by her size and weird skeleton (Ranni's body also looks off) we can assume they're descended from Giants or Alabaster/Onyx Lords (would explain the Radahn connection)The latter makes more sense as one of them is imprisoned right behind Caria Manor, thesd things are never coincidences
>>739691528It's Radagon
>>739682913Malenia lost objectively. She'd have died if not for outside interference. Best you can say for her is it being a draw unless you are in turbo cope mode like she is in her cuck tree while her obsession wants to get railed by CHADhan
>>739691546Yeah, that finger mother ayy lmao under the church proves that well enough but that isn't the "lands between". What I'm talking about is that she brings them into the surrounding island/continent and that they were stuck in the shadowlands before that.
>>739691701The alabaster lords is an interesting take. I'm not sure I see their influence anywhere else with regards to the Astronomers though?
>>739691528it's Radagon>name starts qith M like every other m+R children>cursed like every other m+R children>has a butterfly associated to him like every other m+R childrenthe problem is, by a timeline view, it doesnt make any sense for what we have now, because Messmer was already born before Radhan, since Radhan saw him like an older brother.But Messmer is also a direct Melina's brother, that, for what we know, is the last child of Marika.The real answer is: Miyazaki is a hack
>>739691837I think Messmer and Melina are supposed to parallel Malenia and Miquella or something idk since they have the same parents and Messmer’s fate is similar to Malenia’s.
>>739691837oh, and >red hair, a specific Radagon trait remarked many times
>>739680776>smartest wizard>husbando'd a guy that left her because he preferred fucking himself (literally) instead>gets mindbroken over it>her children are all turbo retards>>one is retard bitch that kick started entire shit that she couldn't even finish so she asks random literal who (You) to do it for her instead>>another got vored by snek becoming a snek and wanting everyone to be a snek>>last one was the most functional out of 3 but he jobbed to AIDS and then his corpse got brought back just to be diddled by this shota to get even more AIDS>bonus: jobs to literal who aka (You) that learned his spells in few seconds from random statue head woman in her goon caveIf anything, she is peak example of female incompetency even when they have everything set for them on easy mode. From her, to her retard daughter, to even trooned out version of her ex.
>>739691649Nope, Godfreys descendants are all in the Godrick line, none of the tarnished we meet are even related to the guy lol (Dung Eater? Fia?), its all outcastsHe personally doesnt recognize you either, theres not even a hint of connection but being part of the same outcast group
>>739691939yes, but like i said, the timeline is a mess, because Miquella and Malenia are the last confirmed children to be born, after Radagon becomes the second husband of Marika, but the point is that he was already born before that, because Radhan is youngfer than him.
>>739691724Really? Wasn't she supposed to have created Radagon during her stint with Rennala? Messemer has supposedly been abandoned in the shadow lands for decades if not a few hundred years already by that point so it makes no sense.
>>739691736>What I'm talking about is that she brings them into the surrounding island/continent and that they were stuck in the shadowlands before that.The Shadowlands where a part of the continent before her ascension. The Elden Ring, which was sent to the Lands Between by the Grater Will, was the same font of power the Hornsent worshipped, they just loved the crucible. Marika hated them specifically and branded them as cursed as soon as she took power as a giant Fuck You for persecuting her people
>>739692019>Godfreys descendants are all in the Godrick line,Extremely wrong. Godrick was a distant relative. Every person who returned to the lands between, which is every tarnished, is part of Godfreys clan that were banishes to the badlands (when he lived as Hora Loux) and returned to the lands between upon their death their.
>>739692078>>739692095By all means Trina, Millicent and many other aspects show us that Radagon has always been a part of Marika and not some random stranger
>>739680776Martials should be male, so casters can be female.
>>739691701There are no gravity craters in the mountaintops IIRC, and Radahn is a Golden Order enjoyer who's on Radagon's side over his siblings afaik
>>739691316All sorcerers are staring at the stars. All sorcerers are astrologers/astronomers. Ancient astrologers are not modern day astrologers. Rennala was NOT an ancient astrologer. Azur is a surviving ancient astrologer. His spell is on the ancestral relic sword of the Carians. He is possibly their ancestor. Lusat might also be a surviving ancient astrologer, if we consider his status as a founding glintstone sorcerer, or his life possibly predating the founding of Sellia (as Sellia is on top of the Eternal, and his staff is guarded by the Nox, it’s possible his home was originally with the Eternal). The original, nameless ancient astrologer was implied to have been a giant. The original name the Founding Rain of Stars was Goliath’s Rain of Stars. The giants were peers to the ancient astrologers and use a mixture of fire and blue magic. Weird how I have to explain this to people.
>>739692204Isn’t it implied they used Law of Regression & Causality to split from each other and then merge back
>>739692204Ooooh, now I get it. He was always Marikas alter-ego but none of the characters in the game pre-dlc ever got to see him until Marika wanted it to happen or until her mental state was fractured enough to actually give him control.I remember reading some lore speculation around that Marika and Radagon were supposedly two different people that were "fused" during some sort of Crucible experiment that the old civilization used on them for some reason but that Marika ended up as the dominant personality which means that she has been a magical schizo from the very start of the lore.
Messmer and Melina were both rebirthed by Marika as her own children.She slew the great serpent and birthed it as Messmer. She defeated the Gloam-eyed queen and birthed her as Melina. How do people not fucking realize this? Marika turns her enemies into her own allies/children. She incorporates the old beliefs as her own. Sort of like Christianity.
>>739692467> I remember reading some lore speculation around that Marika and Radagon were supposedly two different people that were "fused" during some sort of Crucible experiment Considering that Miquella could discard St. Trina, it’s certainly possible that Marika and Radagon could fuse and separate and fuse again.The idea that Lord and God are meant to unite/fuse (haha sex get it??) like the old alchemical concept of the Rebis makes a little bit of sense. Consider that Placidusax is supposed to have four heads but has five head stumps. His talisman depicts him with four heads. Not five. Perhaps he was fused with his God.
>>739692524Yeah she is a hoarder of remembrances. Trees remember. The self can persist even after death.
>>739684246>Blue is a male coded colorHe doesn't know
>>739692095Messmer makes no sense in the timeline. We know he's the eldest son / first born.We know Godfrey and the Golden Lineage predates Radagon / RenallaWe know Miquella and Melania come after Radhan, Ranni, RykardBasically, Marika + Radagon = Messmer (and Melina) has to predate the Godfrey War that spread the Golden Order throughout the lands between, but also had to come after Marika's ascension. How Radagon existed at this point (because it's before the war against the giants, which is when Godfrey's campaign began) is completely unclear. It causes enough turblence in the timeline that it ventures into "this just isn't canon" or "a severe retcon" or something. Messmer had great vibes but he makes very little sense in the larger narrative
>>739692743Reincarnation is a big theme of this world. Marika simply hijacked it and tried to monopolize or coordinate it. Whether it was because she was power hungry or because she hated the nature of things, or perhaps both, I don’t know.
>>739692809the entire DLC if full of retcons, Miyazaki just didnt give a shit
>>739692809It’s what >>739692524 said. Melina was his sister but she wasn’t given a form until much later. He was born right away. He had an immediate purpose in mind. She was likely still in the trees memory bank. Her sole purpose was to be a sacrifice. A contingency. Marika never loved her. She never loved Messmer either.
>>739680776>YOU HAVE TO FEEL WHAT I TELL YOUNo, you don't, cock slurper.
>>739692524>Marika uses magic and/or men in order to kill anyone who oppose her>She then hijacks whatever the games version of "reincarnation" is supposed to be and force the souls of her foes to be reborn through her so that they respect her like any child would respect their own mother>This is why she abuses the fact that she is merged with Radagon in order to kickstart new life, even without a partner>This is why she picked Hoarah Loux as her first husband since he was really good at killing shit>This is why she eventually goes mad and tries to destroy the Elden Ring as it both gives her the power to accomplish what she wants but also it forces her to follow the rules of the Greater Will, just like she was forced to follow the rules of the civilization that tortured her and cursed herNot gonna lie, this headcanon sounds metal as fuck
>>739692910I remember thinking the Eternal made an artificial lord, or a golden tear, which then betrayed them and started her own thing. Marika was that creation. Similar to the false divine child in Sekiro turning on her own creators for sacrificing so many. The betrayal of a culture after it made an artificial god still occurred, but, it was an entirely different culture altogether. Lol. Yeah he clearly originally envisioned her to be from the Eternal, not the Hornsent. Marika the ETERNAL. Their sacred twin blade was also originally meant to belong to Miquella and Malenia. But they changed it to be a Hornswnt weapon, as it never got put into the base game.
>>739692524>She slew the great serpentThe one that gobbled Rykard?
>>739692357>Weird how I have to explain this to people.Being wrong has something to do with it
>>739693031it's been a consensus for a while that the true victim of the story is Marika (specially after DLC lore dump), obviously still a psychopath but justifiably so at the beginning of her journey at leastthe base game is us just trying our best to kill/rebirth her once and for all to end the suffering
>>739692524maybe people don't realize because it's your headcanon supported by nothing in the game?
>>739693153but Marika is a numen, from the shaman village. She's not an artifical lifeform
>>739692357>Rennala was NOT an ancient astrologer.The stargazer amulet literally describes her journey to become Queen of caria. The Stargazer ruins are literally in the mountain of the giants. There is literal Carian architecture in the mountain tops. What are you talking about?
>>739693031I think she was a woman of high standards. Not necessarily evil, just fed up and not satisfied with the brutality of life. She tried to make things better but she realized she couldn’t, and her golden age, or attempt at eternal prosperity, was doomed from the very start. You see her coming to this realization over time, as you look at how she changes her posture (her various statues) over time, and how she tried to understand things better, by incorporating logic/intelligence into her faith, which eventually reverted right back into faithful zealotry.
>>739693161There’s more than one. That was Eigley.
>>739680776I killed her lol
Even though this thread started as a shitpost, it now just makes me want to watch whatever the fuck the ER movie is supposed to be. I doubt that it's going to be any good, but still, it at least HAS to clear some of the lore up enough to be understandable without massive amounts of headcanon
>>739680776i never really thought anything of it. and for all that int she has, she sure couldn't handle her husband leaving her which made her effectively retarded. i actually thought lusat and that other crystal brained guy were probably smarter than her. but that didn't help them out much either since they went retarded and braindead for their trouble.
>>739693602It’s just going to be Vyke going>”you and what army?”>entire army shows up>”bloody bastard”the entire time before he falls to frenzy.
>>739693031>Hornsent put your neighbors in pots to Full Metal Alchemist them into cronenberg horrors>Sick of this shit, infiltrate the horn sent society by some nefarious means>Steal godhood>Burn em all>Turn your rage on the world and have the buffest dude on the planet war-rape every other culture>Pissed off that there are still shackles around your limbs even as a goddess>Fuck them, devise a plan that involves killing the only man youve ever loved, assassinating your own son, impaling yourself on the cross, shattering the physical laws of the world, all to eject the alien force that leeches life from your world>All of it. Every inch. Can burn for all you careAbsolutely metal as FUCK. Marika might be the baddest bitch in gaming
>>739693356> The stargazer amulet literally describes her journey to become Queen of cariaIt calls her an astrologer. She and her sister were children when she was tutored by the Carian Royal instructor. Ymir was most definitely not an ancient astrologer. The ruins in the mountains point to older Nox and Carian heritage that predates her. She isn’t the first Carian queen. She established it to the academy. Sorcerous heretics are shunted away to the mountaintops. Be they bloodthorn sorcerers or primeval adherents. But we see that sorcerers (like the Hierodas) make pilgrimages. The stars move. She followed the stars. Whether she saw her moon at the mountaintop, or at the moonlit altar, I don’t know. It’s possible Rennala took Ranni somewhere else to find hers. Rennala and Rellana as kids probably weren’t at the mountaintops when they saw their twin moons. The moon gazing grounds at the Carian manor implies other people could see the moon, there.
>>739693727>citation needsd
>>739693303They were shoving Numen into jars to try and making something bigger and grander, anon. The entire project of the Hornsent was to make an artificial god by way of the divine gate. Their jar experiments went on to become the divine gate. You see this. Marika is also said to be related to the Numen of the Eternal. The implications are pointing to something artificial.
>>739680776>does pretend shit make you angry No I'm an adult
>>739693714>>Hornsent put your neighbors in pots to Full Metal Alchemist them into cronenberg horrorsthose horrors were made on shaman village people too. Dont forget that shaman village was a Numen colony, Numen have a special flesh that perfectly meld with other flesh, that's why Hornsent used them
>>739693836It’s called playing the game, you dummy. Most ER fans don’t have lore literacy and can’t do nuance. Numerous items point to Carian royalty predating Rennala, and yet people take her remembrance as literal. It isn’t even weird for some royal lineages to diminish over time and then regain their former royal status. The Carians are like the Starks. It’s an up and down with them.
>>739694039That's what I said
>>739693898yes but Marika lived in that village, she was born there, not from a jar
>>739694054>Most ER fans don’t have lore literacy and can’t do nuance.You're a shining example
>>739694123Doesn’t matter. She stepped into the gate. It’s possible they shoved her into a jar before that point. The false divine child in Sekiro wasn’t literally born in an artificial way either. She was just artificially made to be divine. After countless attempts (killing countless kids). I wonder how many shaman the Hornsent killed.
>>739694039What people often miss is that Numen are just… people with high runic power. You’ll notice that runes progress all the way up to Numen. This is why they are seldom born. It’s not often that you see a baby born with high runes. >>739694191Ah. I see. You’re a troll. You can’t even argue. Maybe you’re even the sun realm guy.
>>739694262ok, but your previous post you said that marika was born by the jar, but it's wrong, maybe she was reborn by the jar, but she clearly was born in the shaman village and lived there for enough time to conisder that place really important to her
>>739694039also they don't die when they're melded with other flesh. the process concentrates the gold in every living thing culminating in a mass sacrifice that released a lot of runes at once positioned perfectly with the upward crucible current where the barrier between earth and heaven was weakest. it's weirdly scientific the way it's presented.
>>739694262>I wonder how many shaman the Hornsent killed.Judging by the massive amount of jars that can be found both in the original game but specifically in the shadow lands I would probably say in the houndreds of thousands over hundreds years of trial and error. For all we know Marika was among the last of the Numen before they were literally made extinct by the hornsents massive genocide.If Marika hadn't become a god then the hornsent might have not been able to continue as the only Numan village that still stood is small as fuck.
>>739689357It's one guy. He makes the same thread over and over and gets told he's dumb in the same way until the neetbux run out.
>>739694406>You can’t even argueImagine arguing with a guy who can't provide a single piece of substantiating evidence.Could never be me
>>739694464Do you have memory retention issues? I didn’t say she was born out of a jar, although it’s possible she is a combination of different shaman, after being shoved into a jar. The original idea was that she was a silver tear, however. Silver tears are born from giant sleeping ladies. Drip drip. You learn this after finishing Latenna’s quest.
QUICK, CHOOSE THE SETTING OF ELDEN RING 2>Land of Reeds>Badlands>Land of Numens>Helphen>a new map>Lands Between again but altered
>>739694693I can give you the citations. What do you want?
>>739682502i still don't get how he does it. did he really master gravity magic and just said to the cosmos fuck off?
>>739694464Nowhere in his original post did he mention jars >>739694726I also think silver tears are metallic mercury-like period gunk; the albinaurics came of this substance in their desperation to survive underground; the irony being that the lowly albinaurics who are seen as poor and dirty peasants once had a sophisticated civilization under the ground Silver tears -> 1st gen albinaurics -> 2nd gen albinaurics Silver tears can interbreed with humans so this makes sense; the Sellians were once nightfolk who bled silver before it went away
>>739692524>She slew the great serpent and birthed it as MessmerI really like this theory but where does it say Marika slew a serpent aside from mine iykwim
>>739695032So silver tears make albinaurics, which in turn make more silver tears? Can albinaurics even have kids normally?
>>739695132I think albinaurics have 2nd gen frogmen for kids; it doesn’t turn out well for them; so presumably what Philia is doing is what is necessary for their continued survival; I don’t think she literally births first gen albinaurics, or maybe she does?
I wish there was a post ER game mode after you choose an ending to show the state of the world/ you as the new lord. I would like to have a measure of respect from the inhabitants of the world between after all the shit they put me through.
>>739694774New map. Badlands sounds like it'd be a bit one-note and Land of Reeds Japan wanking would get old
>>739694856Judging by the cinematic that plays as soon as you kill him, yes.>*Meteorites are about to nuke your island/continent*>Radhan: "NOT ON MY WATCH LMAO">Points at the sky and glares at the stars with such malice that they all say "Fuck that noise, I ain't going anywhere NEAR that crazy motherfucker">Radhan then prances away on his favorite horse with broken bones and casually fucks up his sister to the point where even though she won by cheating the stars are still scared shitless of him.The dudes got balls so massive that they even rival his dads
>>739695117nowhere. there's the giant serpent skin by bonny village, which implies it was used for jarring. weird how rykard combines with eiglay, creates the man serpents and there's a godskin guarding the aminion huh?
>>739695297>Not "Balls so massive that they have their own gravitational pull"Come the fuck on anon, it was right there
>>739680776>How angry does this make you? How emasculated?
Women overcomplicate everything. This is why the moon spells are so overloaded and useless.
>>739680776>Most powerful witch in existence>Still couldn’t beat the cock
>>739696096Many such cases, Miyazaki is not zogged
>>739696096can't beat the cock man. not the cock.
>>739680776It makes me feel happy and proud that both my wife and her mother are the greatest wizards in history and they both have cute feet too
>>739695117She killed it before she stepped into the gate. A huge boss battle took place right before. She’s taking something from something. You see it.
>>739698109Bit of a problem that there is no snake there anywhere, isn't it?
>>739698192What do you think she’s reaching into? Snake amnion.
>>739698297I thought it was a gate to whatever she got the Elden Ring from
>>739680776Is also the easiest major boss in the game.
>>739698297She took grace out of some fleshy mass. We know that the hornsent used gave>The spiral is a normalized Crucible current that, one day, will form a column that stretches to the godsCrucible being the Erd Tree before the Erd Tree, aka, Grace before the establishment of the Golden Order, aka, the same power bequeathed by the greater will.The mass of flesh was almost certainly linked to the hornsent, and there isn't any other snake iconography in their civilization, is there? It's been a long time for me
>>739680776>Can't even come close to the sort of Lichdom Lusat and Azur achieve>Not to mention her spell and staff suck ass compated to theirsI'd also bring up Radahn being such gigachad of gravity magic, which you're probably using since rock toss don't give a shit about input reading. However, the whole gay sissy hypno incest arc sorta soured the gravity wizard holding the cosmos in stasis thing.
>>739698297>>739698718You’re both wrong. It’s clearly cloth. She slew the Gloam eyed queen. Not the snake. YOU CAN SEE THE FABRIC.
>>739698416it took me less tries to beat Godfrey than it did Rennala
>>739683729>>Radagon tried to stop Marika from destroying the Elden RingBad thing. >>GodfreyPussy faggot that tried to steal the crown from us. >>Morgott Uncle Tom. >>RadahnUberjobber. >>Rykard breaks away to form a new kingdom, gets harassed by the Golden OrderHe was literally eating people.Men can't lead.
>>739699008>The gloam eyed queen was born sentInteresting assertion. Substantiate that somehow?
>>739682114I've done enough invasions to know that 95% of Tarnished are women.
>>739699842Also don't forget that Tanith is technically the head of Volcano Manor since Rykard is an immobilized snake monstrosity
Rennala is at best the fourth smartest sorcerer currently alive during the game.
>>739699986>born sentYes she was born sent by the sacred Stork
>>739698718>The mass of flesh was almost certainly linked to the hornsentBaseless. We already know the GEQ is her firstborn daughter anyway
>>739700531>Top of the hornsent city, who ruled before her>Hornsent bodies everywhere >Hornsent channeled crucible grace >She pulls grace from the corpseAny other interpretation requires substantiation because "the body she reached into to pull out the grace was one of the bodies of the grace channeling people we see littering the arena" is the surface facing interpretation.
can we talk about how weird and disappointing the DLC is at least at the beginning? i finally started playing it after years of replaying the base game and from minute 1 both exploration and leveling up felt like awful chores, i never got the "wow first steps no maidens initial scene" feeling at any pointa loooot of running around for cookbooks and whatnot, i'm not enjoying it as much as i thought i would, also fuck basic enemies doing 10 second combos for no reason
>>739700995Once you start getting the health upgrades it opens up a lot. Still too many "20 hit combo, 2 second gap to get a hit in, 20 hit combo" bosses
>>739700995No? What do you mean? You just start exploring, like every other From game
>>739701125how do you guys even get filtered by curseblades they stagger to daggers.
>>739701324is that gonna make the items at the end of my journey to not be smithing stones+6, cookbooks or leafs?
>>739701803no, but it might make you less of an ass if you could appreciate the journey.
>>739700995I didn’t like how devoid of life the dlc felt. I was expecting a lot more hidden little areas. Not swathes or empty field.
>>739701803Who cares, the exploration is what matters because it's what's fun.
>>739685804yeah that would be crazy and unoriginal if people were just named the same or similar thing over and over
>>739702206yeah...i'm not gonna find many caves aren't it? it seems like they decided to take caves out of the game
>>739702206>>739702607I hated seeing those areas on the map that you weren’t even allowed to get to.
>>739702392I like that you can tell Henry VI's mental state even from old illustrations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U372CcLjC7A
>>739703538> If Aphex Twin made this, it would be considered a masterpieceKek
The moon spell is also a hard counter against the primeval spells looool
I dislike how the DLC world was clearly meant for a different storyline but was crammed together with something else so we gave a bunch if weird narrative focuses and sone stuff that doesn't feel relevant. I really wish we just got Marikas origin, Miquellas dream as seperate DLCs.Why exactly does Fromsoft rush so much stuff? They're massively succesful relative to their size. So why do they often plot development like they're a studio who could be shutdown if they don't release asap?
>>739705532They have a habit of leaving things to the last second, it's just their culture and they've no reason to stop if it's working. The name "the Lands Between" supposedly wasn't even settled on until a month before release.
>>739705532> Why exactly does Fromsoft rush so much stuffThis is frequently their biggest criticism. Bloodborne is a borderline unfinished game despite how amazing it is. Imagine what it could have been. They fucked up Byrgenwerth (they weren’t on the same page and the exterior was designed a lot smaller than the interior - which they swept under the rug, renaming it to the ‘lecture building’), and there was no actual casting system implemented in the game. Just more proof that Miyazaki hates casters. Willem was originally meant to be a boss too. Would have summoned eyeballs that shot meteors at you. Watch at your own peril (of disappointment)> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ISHGRDJ2M&pp=ygUPQ3V0IHdpbGxlbSBib3Nz&ra=m
>>739706307is Armored Core 6 rushed? i want to buy it on the next steam sale
>>739705532Look up the 1.0 item descriptions. They had a massive rewrite before release. It’s insane. How can you even trust the lore at this point with the amount of changes? Perhaps it’s intentional. To make things a bit more esoteric for the data miners…>>739706307You can find Willem’s rocking chair in the Lecture Building too. The slime scholars are wearing Byrgenwerth uniforms. They probably decided that the actual Byrgenwerth was meant to be some sort of private estate, while the actual institution was spread around Yharnam at separate lecture buildings. The original entrance to the Labyrinth was originally meant to be under Byrgenwerth as well. I feel like the chalices really devalued the discovery and exploration aspect of the Labyrinth. I’d rather find it. The chalices are just another piece of evidence that they didn’t have enough time.
>>739706416I never played it. Don’t care to. Maybe one day.
>>739681906You must get mad at the accomplishments of foids in videogames.
Her sister is hotter
>>739706905Literally a potato
>>739691470>That nosekek this artist is ass.
A woman 1/10th the size of Radahn could one shot him using her super special nuke that she totally never wanted to use.This means a full powered Malenia is more powerful than a full powered Radahn. And she’s not even his same size/mass.
>>739682114My Tarnished fucked Sellen though.
>>739680776How many times is this shitty thread going to be posted?INT is fucking garbage in Elden Ring and this boss is the biggest joke
>>739680776Do people really like arguing over lore feats? lol? Like not even gameplay feats but feats that we dont ever get to see?
>>739707386She also one shot herself, and she’s done it before every time she gets huffy about losing. Then she does it the third time, fully ascending as a god of rot, and gets utterly fucked to death.
>>739707987We'll probably keep having these threads as long as you spout opinions this retarded.
>>739680776No the one with the highest potential was apparently a loser and a squib, the one that died outside Hogwarts, the bald dude. Loser lol. But turns out he made completely new branch of magic study that completely negates Carrian magic lol. It also reveals that sorcery and incantations are the same, and his spells nullifies even the Gods' powers and his spell costs no FP. It's almost like his spells comes from the pure will itself and that it transcends space and time as you hold the barrier up, wrapping and protecting you, like a pocket dimension, like a reality warping. Thops was a fucking genius, despite being a Bluntstone. Insane fucking lore/story/revelation, tragic fucking ending.
>>739699842How is trying to prevent a grief induced temper tantrum from destroying the literal manifestation of the laws of nature a bad thing?
>>739708783those "laws of nature" are artificial and not even native to the world, they're against humanity and nature in their world
>>739682913>>739691729Radahn got smoked. He fought a crippled girl 1/5th of his size and lost.
>>739708783The Golden Order was rotten to the core and Marika was being strung along by senile alien larpers. It had to go. Radagon refusing to accept this is what led to the Shattering dragging out into eternity.
Women are pound for pound stronger than the men of this world if a woman the size of Malenia could equal a man the size of Radahn
>>739681389>>739681627Really explains how everything is totally fucked up, doesn't it?
>>739681389>magic is for sissy girlsBTFO
>>739686642BASED
>>739690239>It's always been the moon that is seen as feminine in every single culture across the earth.You're literally talking about a Japanese game, you utter retard.
>>739688642>ignoring Libra like this
Miyazaki (videogames) is a lot like Myazaki (anime) in that they both put women on insane pedestals.
>>739710404and that's why he's based
>>739681769>Destroys world to avoid responsibilityWhat? You are confused.
>>739707987INT is great. Glintstone pebble goes David and Goliath.
>>739710537One thing I do love the DLC for is the Carian Sorcery Sword.
>>739710404Trv, trv… although this is a fascination with the Japanese in general; their love for all things cute, youthful and womanly
>>739710404>Myazaki (anime)>put women on insane pedestals.What? Are you retarded? The least flawed characters in (almost) every film are men.
>>739680776>gets mindbroken by FTHCHAD cockMany such cases.
This game was so good. I wish I could play it for the first time again
>>739711172homo looks at woman and instantly thinks of cocksmany such cases
>>739711160Lmfao. He's not even subtle about it anon.
>>739710404all his nicest and best written characters are menall the heroes, redeemable humans and tragic saviors are menhe might simp for women, but deep down he only creates good men and male figures
>>739681389>Let women learn magic>the world becomes fucked upMagic should be EXCLUSIVELY done by male wizards.And NO magic schools, those are cring harry potter shit. We do APPRENTICES here, one wizard one apprentice, until he's ready to become a wizard himself.Everything else is leftist degeneracy, and the results speak for themselves.
>>739711271Go on
>>739708892The Elden Ring's arrival to the world of the lands between predates the existence of humanity. There is no "true nature" to humanity outside of it.
>>739711468>>739711376“When a man is shooting a handgun, it’s just like he is shooting because that’s his job, and he has no other choice. It’s no good. When a girl is shooting a handgun, it’s really something.”Lmfao. He literally worships women simply because they are. A man picks up a sword and it's 'boring'. A woman does it and he worships the ground she walks on.And you can see this reflected in all his works too.
>>739711571Which film is that from?
We can’t trust a woman’s math. Are you insane?
>>739711571Sounds a lot more like he's praising specific soectacular women as opposed to just women as a concept. Even what you just quoted is the exact inverse of the woke western idea that you should expect any woman to be just as capable as a man. It's specifically because the average woman isn't noteworthy that it becomes remarkable when a special dame pops up.
What’s funny is that the moon is superficially feminine, but methodically masculine. Dominant. It would have you remain human. The moon reflects starlight. The stars in contrast expect you to take it in the face. The crystallized jizz of the Greater Will. It would have you be submissive to the forces of the cosmos. To no longer be human. Academia may be dominated by men, but it’s surely a feminine field where wizards seek to cover themselves is cosmic semen. A dominant woman put a stop to that submissive crap. You could still argue that she’s a pussy for not embracing transhumanism, though. Azur and Lusat could be so far beyond her. We just don’t know. This is why I think the moon takes up more intelligence than the primeval. The moon was missed for the stars because by the time most sorcerers are smart enough to glimpse their own moon, it’s already too late; they’ve become absorbed by the stars.
>>739712202cover themselves in* cosmic semenAnd that’s what glintstone is btw; it’s all panspermia
>>739680776wouldn't be much of a wizard if he couldn't polymorph into a body that makes him coomif i was a wizard i'd have massive tits
>>739711571>Actually retardedTragic
>Game starts guy tells you have no women.>Woman tells you what to do and rescues you. Gives horse.>Blue woman shows up (my wife) and also tells you what to do.>Big woman sorceress resets your stat point>Big bad guy is actually a man who pretended to be a woman.>One of the remaining gods is a boy who looks like a woman and fucks his brother.No wonder Elden Ring sucked. To female centric.
>>739712540>To
>>739712540>misogynist doesn't know how to spellchecks out
>>739680776all I remember is that carian women get mindbroken by faith cock
I’m actually convinced that Elden Ring is meme fantasy “You are maidenless”“Touch grace”It’s not very subtle about it
>>739713551but you ARE maidenless, your maiden is literally right there dead on a chair when you spawn, somebody killed her before you woke up (it was him)
>>739711960Praising a woman when she picks up a sword is like praising a fish that washes up on land. It’s disordered thinking that stems from a conflated misunderstanding of women (and men) on par with so called “woke western ideas.”
>>739682502>Radhans feat of halting the stars with his gravity magic alone while in a zombified state is way more impressive than anything Loretta or Rellana has done in their entire lifetimes.It's actually a borderline plot hole power, it dwarfs any non-god feat in the lore by magnitudes.
>>739712851>>739712880I stopped caring about which "to" to use when I stopped being graded for my spelling.
>>739680776>9 hour old thread>no mention of Raistlin MajereTHE QUINTESSENTIALPOWER-HUNGRYVOLUNTARILY-CELIBATE4CHAN ARCH MAGUS
>>739714015epic 4 teh fukken win my fellow newfriend :DDDD
>>739680776imagine her big dark milf bush though.That's kinda like a beard
>>739714078Oh this is some gay queer Souls thread.
>>739714334God-tier softcore.
>>739692809>>739690545>Messmer makes no sense in the timeline. We know he's the eldest son / first born.Messmer does not need to be her Firstborn at all. He could be. Marika could have made him with Radagon very early and Radagon could have just been obscure up until that point. But he also could have easily come after Godwyn, Mohg, and Morgott. And just be younger than them but older than Radahn and co.
>>739690820>>739691701They probably just lived near the Giants and may have fraternized with them. Rennala is probably descended from the Nox, given the presence of two important elevators connecting Caria to the Nox cities underground and the Nox inventing the silver golems that Caria used in the form of Albinaruics.
>>739691649>>739692189You are part of Godfrey's banished army, or descended from a member (I doubt that Roderika is a reincarnated veteran warrior), but if you're talking about a giant army, then most members of it would not be familiar with the general on a personal basis.
>>739717175It honestly wouldn't be surprising if there was historical revisionism in the lands between.Just look at the mountaintops of giants, it's clearly Messmers work yet he gets zero mentions in any of the lore regarding the war on giants. Messmers was probably just erased from history for being the most deformed kid.
Men worship women. This is why magic is a female in dungeons & dragons, and you can even get to FUCK magic herself if she notices you. This is canon. Has anyone even seen pictures of Ed Greenwood? He looks like a wizard neck beard. He also discusses the taste of Drow breastmilk on his discord. Pic related. Not sure if based.
>>739695353The snakeskin is probably from Messmer, a hint about him that you'd see if you explored a bit and took the side path instead of the main gate. It could even imply that he started his invasion of the Shadow Realm before he was an adult. When he was still growing. Rykard can merge with the serpent because he's part numen. Just like Godrick's grafting. Other demigods don't do it because it is disgusting. But Rykard doesn't care about that.
>>739680776She's also a cheating psychopath that makes huge numbers of abominations.
>>739717678Now, see, this is why nerds got beat up in high school. Because of shit like this.
>>739680776>gets cucked>gets depression and goes crazy inside her towerDamn...
>>739694774Lands Between but Altered. The devs originally planned for a cataclysm system of sorts and various maps have old data where you'd terrain change with events. So playing into that would be interesting.
>>739695032I think the Nox and their silver tears developed into the albinaurics but not directly like that. I think the Nox originally made the silver tears as a way to bulk out their declining population and stuff. Because they're basically human and autonomous and one would have even potentially been an Elden Lord, if they could make a God. But the Albinaurics seem to have been a slave race from the start.
>>739717750>It could even imply that he started his invasion of the Shadow Realm before he was an adult.Highly doubt it, the only thing we know about Messmers upbringing is that he and Radhan was trained by Commander Gaius, and he is heavily implied to have been a huge part of the war of giants. After that he was probably was ordered by Marika to finish the genocide on the hornsent.
>>739717991She's just like me
>>739718778Why do you think he fought the giants? The impaling trees are nothing like his spears, and thorn sorcery in the DLC seems like an incidental rediscovery from the despair in his trapped army rather than something that Messmer himself was familiar with.
>>739703131Only the Jagged Peak has substantial 'non-traversable' terrain. Maybe the far vista in the putrescence dungeon.
which Elden Ring character would you guys like to eat a pumpkin pie with the most?
>>739705532Fromsoft prioritizes making a big game and then figuring out the plot afterwards. They're also successful, but compared to Bandai Namco or Kadokawa (publisher and largest investor), they really don't have a lot of economic power. So when their investors say, "Hurry up on the next fucking game", they gotta move.
>>739719541Me and my wife Roderika.
>>739680938You are either an angry woman or a homosexual man. Rennala is 11/10 uber prime aryan queen breeding machine.
>>739720050Rennala is like 8 feet tall, pale as death, gangly, and has a pinhead.
>>739682482I was always a big fan of those two. Dudes just chillin. I aspire to be like them.
>>739719157There are still random spears spurting out from the ground in the mountaintops, not only that the giant wickerman golems in the dlc also have fire giant sigils, which Messmer probably took as trophies and repurposed as powersources.
>>739720163Exactly. Absolute PEAK!
>>739720291
>>739720179I aspire to be like the great masters of old *goes limp*
>>739720398here, the real proportions
>>739720398Elden Ring in the modern day style would be cool.
>>739720398>>739720843This is more like it.
>>739720603>Sellen: I aspire to be like the great masters of old>*Becomes Graven mass*>ACKSellen was considered the greatest wizard of her generation and she couldn't ascend like Lusat and Azur, they're just built different.
>>739721495Big distinction is she didn't look into or become one with the Primeval Current, though I think her turning people into meatballs was her trying to replicate the process without them needing to be one of the greatest wizards to ever live, and finding it handy that all the failures made for bodyguards or area denial
>>739720603>>739721495Azur and Lusat are fucking dead because they turned into rocks. Sellen is a schizophrenic attributing personalities to rocks.
>>739721815"Reclaiming the academy's glory" needing the two rocks around means they were probably using Azur and Lusat as magical batteries of some kind
>>739683571why the hell would he make it there?
>>739721979Sellen probably wanted to merge with them and become a Goddess of some sort. But she just became another wizardball for it. >>739722087/tg/ is /b/ for fantasy and scifi.
>>739680776I don't, she broke down cause RadaCHAD fucked off. Right now I'm watching a foid streamer doing an Elden Ring lore playthrough who took the flame of Frenzy before mountaintops, missing out a bunch of Melina LORE, dispite chat warning her multiple times
>>739721979I always assumed that too. They’re living catalysts or something. They’re from a whole other era of the academy. You can tell just by looking at their robes. Corpse sages. Sokushinbutsu.
>>739691729>outside interferenceMalenia was playing with a handicap. She and the rot are one and the same, but she was trying to avoid using it. Ultimately both survived despite fighting at full strength, so their battle ended in a draw. The point of the shattering is that no side could truly claim victory over another, like they said at the start.
>>739722154radabitch is a jobber
Sellen didn’t fuse with Azur and Lusat. She didn’t take their heads. She took their souls the way you took her soul. She was probably going to revive them or something. As you did with her.
>>739722389RadaCHAD raised the most capable demigod
>>739680776She crashed out and went catatonic when her boyfriend randomly walked out one day. Pretty sure Radahn is the most powerful tho.
>>739680776Only men can be wizards. Women are hags and witches.
>>739722463Rennala got mating pressed by THAT?
>>739682482unbothered. crystalized. happy. in my lane
>>739717175Radagon isn't Messmer's dad. He's mentioned as being "like a brother" to Radahn (on the same level as Gaius), while Miquella is specifically named as Radahn's brother. Messmer and Radahn don't share parents.Given the spears sticking out of the giants and the fact that Marika was with Godfrey during the mountaintops' genocide, Radagon probably didn't even exist until Godfrey was banished and would then be younger than Melina/Messmer and Morgott/Mohg/Godwyn. He seems to think the existence of his red hair is the curse of the Fire Giants, anyway, again suggesting his creation was also influenced by revenge against Marika's genocidal tantrums like the omen. >b-but then who is Messmer's/Melina's dadThe fell god, most likely. Explains their vision of fire and, in Melina's case, specifically the giants' forge destroying the Erdtree. Marika probably created then specifically to destroy her own order as a contingency plan against the fingers, the same way she organized demigod-slayers like the Tarnished and the Black Knives.
>>739680776Why should I feel angry or emasculated? I have 60 STR I don't care I'm going to kill you.
>>739722878They’re probably astral projecting out of their bodies into space. Sellen is also astral projecting out of her prison.
>>739723158you didn't beat the game
I’d really like to know who put Sellen in the ball.
GEQ is Marika, btw. >called Queen in Black in old descriptions>Stone Coffin Fissure has map data connected to her, and was initially planned to be in the base game as the area the Nox traveled from to build their cities>Nox were explicitly Marika's family in the old story drafts, and are still referenced as her ancestors in the final game by Rogier, with the Black Knives as the bridge connecting them>Marika enslaved Hewg to forge a god-slaying weapon>GEQ is associated with serpentine infants, between the swaddling cloth and her children wielding serpent-based, crucible-adjacent powers >Marika cradles Messmer in her statue, and he bears the Abyssal Serpent in his body>no father is known for either Messmer or the Godskins, and the Abductor Virgin depicts a similar scenario of a virgin birth that is secretly puppeteered by snakesWe know that shattering the ring, banishing the tarnished, having ties to the Black Knives, creating Melina, etc. were all part of Marika's 5D chess plan to remove the influence of the fingers/GW over the order (itself born out of the ancient Nox plot) and make a new order from the ashes. We also hear of references to the "old gods" and the other Hornsent empyreans that used the gate at the tower. GEQ is Marika before she had her free will seemingly stripped away by Maliketh, and she utilized his subsequent trust in her new, docile incarnation to plant the seeds to get rid of him once and for all.
>>739724105> and was initially planned to be in the base game as the area the Nox traveled from to build their citiesSource?
>>739723757Rennala. She's mindbroken, not incapable.
Elden Ring does not have a story. It's just meaningless cryptic bullshit and lore dumps.
>>739724105I’m pretty sure the “old gods” are referring to those truly enormous corpses of titans, much larger than the fire giants, or the ancestors of them, occasionally seen dotting the earth of the base game. You see them in Caelid and the mountaintops. The ancient meteoric ore greatsword is a giant arrowhead. The ruined forge of “starfall past” is likely referring to them being the original astrologers who witnessed the founding rain of stars (named Goliath’s Rain of Stars in the 1.0), and this is seen with their forged golems using a mixture of fire magic and blue sorcery.
>>739724526She is harmless. Sellen pushed her aside and she can be found hiding behind the book shelves. It’s adorable.
>>739724105The Nox/Numen were mega retarded. They thought stuffing themselves into stone arks would save themselves from the coming calamity above. “Guys, guys, let’s just go to sleep and wake up once it’s over”. Some landed underground, started new cities. Some never woke up, died, and became sludge. Some never got buried, got out of their stone arks, then for fucking enslaved by the hornsent (the shaman village/prison) and blamed for what happened. Their entire culture is trying to mimic the past.
>>739690458There’s also commander Gaius, who is gen1 male and not decrepid and old. But you can barely see him under the armour.
>>739725259then got* fucking enslaved That’s how I interpreted the shaman village anyway. Those little villages like Bonny village were places of horror.
>>739725345With the power of runes and grace you could probably make up for the health issues and short lifespans that are associated with albinaurics. Gaius was also living with an albinauric lady. Felt bad once I realized that.
>>739725345Gaius has a higher ranking than Rellana in Messmer's army, cause him and Gaius are bros and Rellana is just a dumb bitch lole.
>>739680776most "men" here are already emasculated because they play video games
>>739722885>The fell god, most likely. Explains their vision of fireNot that anon but that is really interesting. There's a few catches, however: Radagon is not fiery which lends itself to the Fell God being the father of Messmer and Melina, but Godfrey and Marika produced Omen children without either having horns, and the Omen are explicitly said to be a curse and not a genetic thing. So Radagon could still be M and M's father. But I do think your scenario is cool, that the Fell God fathered the red haired children of Marika, and that Radagon was some other thing.Food for thought: an early version of the game had it so Radagon was a Silver Tear, and vengeance against Marika for what she did to them. The Asimi quest was a big arrow pointing at this truth, but all of that was stripped away for whatever the hell the final game + dlc wants Radagon to be.
>>739727219Godfrey is probably powered by Crucible energy, given that he ate Red Bear hearts and got massive. Which links up to Mohg and Morgott being Crucible 'touched'.
Azur and Lusat ditched their staves and became the stuff of magic itself. Rennala in comparison is still human and needs a staff.
>>739730195>people that set themselves on fire are smarter than people that use flamethrowers
>>739725440Nightreign sort of implies albinaurics are on their way to figuring themselves out, Scholar is apparently a gen-3 albinauric since the only thing wrong with him is rapid aging
>>739730465Scholar is on his way to losing his legs though, he was able to live longer than other Albinaurics because he could transfer his essence to other bodies.Part of his remembrance is him learning to accept this fact.
>>739680776>The smartest wizard of all timeis my Tarnished, who is a manAfter him is RadagonRennala is a distant third
>>739682482So you've reached a point of enlightenment where you're so zen you're apathetic to anything and everything. What's the next step of your master wizard plan?
>>739680776I don't know why every time this faggot posts this bait the first post isn't always this
>>739692962Melina was sacrificed to burn the Erdtree before, the player doing it isn't the first time it happens. That's why she says she is "burned and bodiless"
>>739693229The entire story is literally all about Marika puppeting the Tarnished to kill her, Roderika states this outright.
>>739685745nah. Godrick is far easier. I beat him first try and Im not even a souls vet. Renalla was annoying asf. It wasnt hard but if you died you had to mak all that long ass walk again and goes through her very annoying first fase.
